The Syndicate's Prototype DH Bars (& Something New from Josh Bryceland) - Burgtec House Show 2019

Jan 30, 2019
by James Smurthwaite  

Burgtec Josh Bryceland 38 Special Bars

Here's a product that's flown under the radar a bit. Back in November Josh Bryceland released a pair of signature bars with Burgtec and we got a look at them today at the Jungle show.

For his style of riding Josh was after something to raise his bars, and after testing various prototypes he finally narrowed it down to a 38mm rise. The initial material was going to be carbon but after getting to ride various alloy prototypes he just got more comfortable on the metal bars. The specs are largely the same as Burgtec's current Ride Wide range, it's just a little higher. Josh runs his at a full, uncut 800mm, in case you were wondering.


Ride Wide Josh Bryceland Details

Width 800mm
Rise 38mm
Back Sweep 9 degree back sweep
Up Sweep 5 degree upsweep
Bore 35mm only
Colour Black
Material 7075 alloy
Weight 345g
Price £69.99
Available Now


Burgtec has also added a 30mm rise option to their Ride Wide Carbon Enduro bar offering.

Ride Wide Carbon Enduro Details

Width 800mm
Rise 30mm
Back Sweep 9 degree back sweep
Up Sweep 5 degree upsweep
Bore 35mm
Colour Black
Material Carbon
Weight 235g
Price £134.99
Available Mid February



Burgtec 30mm Ride Wide DH Prototype

In other Burgtec bar news, we also saw a prototype 30mm rise DH bar bar that the Santa Cruz Syndicate team is going to be running this year. The team is in the process of testing it but we're expecting it to see it on their bikes at the first World Cup in Maribor in April. A beefed up version of the 30mm Carbon Enduro bar above, it has the same geometry and currently weighs 280g. Burgtec are targeting it to cost the same as well at £134.99.


Greg Minnaar Signature Grip

And finally in news-about-things-you-use-to-steer-your-bike, there's a new Greg Minnaar signature grip. Greg as helped the Burgtec guys develop the grip for the past 14 months and has now found a combination he's happy to put his name to. The grip is a single lock on with a tapered core and a 31.5mm diameter. It will be available in early March in 8 colours and will cost £19.99.

Greg prefers a slight raised flange on the end of the grip.
The durometre is said to be around 12A.



101 Comments

  • + 37
 Ooh... 12A
  • + 12
 I've always wondered what it would be like to need to swap out my grips every run. But so sticky
  • + 25
 @kiddlivid: for what it's worth apparently it was important to Greg that these last a long time. It's possible the 12A figure we were given isn't correct, or there's something else going on to make them last longer. We'll snag a set to find out.

For context, the super sticky Sam Hill Nukeproof grips we told you about a few days ago are 5A. Think gummi bears.
  • + 2
 Makes me think of the NFL in the 1970’s when wide receivers would coat their hands in Stickum adhesive.
  • + 18
 @brianpark: hmmm gummi bears...
  • + 6
 @kev1n: hmmmmmm vera demilo
  • + 1
 @brianpark: Not many companies seem to have durometer ratings on their grips. Oury non-lock on grips got to be really low durometer rating.
  • + 6
 I have super soft DMR deathgrips. One pair lasts a season which is pretty good but yes they do wear fast. By the end of a season they are very worn out. They get chewed up/torn in a crash. The grip and comfort is well worth it though.
  • - 2
 I wear out Odi Ruffians in a matter of a season, so if a soft grip lasts that long, I say: tits.
  • + 2
 Is it a gloveless thing?
  • + 1
 @BenPea: yes. Just cut the wires first.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: My question is : do bare hands wear down soft grips more slowly while also making them necessary?
  • + 7
 @BenPea: Hey, hey - don't go Aristotle on me buddy
  • + 2
 @BenPea: Probably in a simmilar time. While hands have a lower coeficient of friction the sweat could degrade rubber.
  • + 1
 @BenPea: I ride gloveless in the summer (unless it is proper humid) and I would say that yes glove less wears grips quicker. DMR deathgrips fully dead after 20 days in Whis.
  • + 0
 What's the durometer of ODI Rogues? they're pretty soft, no?
  • + 1
 My favorite new grips are the non-lock-on Lizard Skin NorthShore. Solid and gobs of grip.
  • + 2
 @hairy1976: Depends on hand compound too I guess.
  • + 2
 @BenPea: the good old classic Nivea creme does wonders. No more papillary marks on your beef.

Why did I think it was a good idea to write that... I need to get a grip
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: It’s because you ride so hard.
  • + 17
 I'm going to try the "...thanks for pulling your finger out your a$$..." line at work and see how it goes over.
  • + 2
 let us know how that goes.
  • + 13
 I could listen to him talk for hours. I wouldn't understand a damn thing, but somehow it's still entertaining.
  • + 9
 35mm only, eff that. Better working 31,8 is pushed out of the market and this time defo not because of customer demand. It would give me an indescribable pleasure to knee kick the responsible parties of the 35mm movement in their scrotums.
  • + 13
 Cool bars, but can I get some of those trails?
  • + 9
 cannondale not amused seeing a 2019 ad with josh not riding a habit! nice 5010
  • + 3
 To be fair these were released in Nov but clearly Burgtech arent as up there as Trek or some random out of some dudes shed bike brand to get exposure on here at the time of release
  • + 2
 @usmbc-co-uk: we’d have posted this right away if we’d spotted it. So sick, and I’m sure Cannondale understands the concept of time. Smile
  • + 2
 People should be punished for this egregious oversight. Off with their heads!
  • + 1
 @PinkyScar: here here8 *

*rattles keyboard saber
  • + 6
 @PinkyScar: I’ve given myself a stern talking to.
  • + 9
 I have no clue wtf he's sayin, but I'm sure it's spot on about bar specs.
  • + 2
 Ghetto British for sure!
  • + 7
 "Send to manual" @ 1:22 (youtu.be/SvtJbywL8I8?t=82)
Such grace between man and machine - I can't stop watching that over and over again.
  • + 4
 In this video, Josh’s riding oozes style and the trails inspire me to go for a walk in the woods with a rake.
  • + 1
 same...also Kurnikov's recent vod...those parts he rode in the fog, that dirt looks so sweet too. Definitely made me want to go build...although I also wondered if they put some dirt in, not to familiar with so cal.
  • + 1
 Higher bars.....people will run out to buy it thinking it's going transform THEIR riding...and it'll end up in the shed. He likes it doesn't mean it's 'prototype'/new amazing... Why does bike industry run round in circles. We've already had high bars years ago
  • + 7
 And people are waking up to the fact that they never should’ve gone away. I agree about the silly circular trends. Run what fits and works best.
  • + 1
 There’s been a big scientific uprising about cockpit setup around bike internet, so well people who know better than you have spoken. So you never know whether you’ve been missing something all these years. I am waiting for 16-20 degree backsweeps and seagull shaped bars to become the thing! Because elbows out is a stone age concept.
  • + 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: bikes have got much longer so bad hight has come up to stop you being so over the front wheel. If you’d run your old bike with bars this high your hands grips would be up by your nipples. Haha
  • - 1
 How the hell is a higer rise bar a prototype or worthy development I have no idea - I imagine these are catalogue handlebars, they just picked a or specced a higher rise. There is nothing 'prototype' about them
  • + 2
 Bar analysts: please inform if the 5010 stack height is 8mm lower than the Cannondale, thereby justifying the 38mm custom rise.
  • + 1
 @PinkyScar: I just love it how everytime some "cult" company releases their bar/ stem combo certain people behave as if alien overlords showed up and gave us the secret to faster than light travel. The access to the Powers of Shreddala has been revealed! I bought Industry Seventeen bars with 9,5 backsweep and never looked back since! Made me a better rider and the quality is second to none! Because Nukeproof or Holzfeller combos for 100$ total are so detrimental to my fun experience and give me nerve pain. Anyone remembers the poliferation of wide flat bars on DH bikes around 2010? Few UK riders rode them on BDS, photos made their way to internet and suddenly people discovered another dimension. The enlightement! Only to abandon the lost case two years later.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: exactly - its a handlebar, with a little more rise than their old offering, thats it.
  • + 4
 @thenotoriousmic: not for me. I’m well past 6 feet tall. I ran high rise back when they were cool, ran low rise or almost flat when they were the only thing that came on a new bike, and not too long ago bought a new high rise and couldn’t be happier. The shape of your handlebar should help your bike fit and ride properly. Should have nothing to do with industry trends.
  • + 2
 Steve Peat doesn’t have a preferred bar height, as long as they have Stella on tap
  • + 1
 @BiNARYBiKE: -- This dude gets it.

As it turns out, different people actually need different things from their setup for a variety of different reasons. Crazy, right?
  • + 3
 @BiNARYBiKE: I’m 6,3 myself never liked the low / flat bar. But what I’m saying is that since bikes have got longer the bars have got higher to compensate. High bars on short bikes feel gross.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: I thought you know a lot about dirt jumping... bio mechanically your concept of high bar for long bike and low for short feels weird to me. Actually, in all possible ways...
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: it’s about getting your weight in the right place. Your bars are further forward on longer modern bikes so you are more laid out on the bike. You raise your bar hight to centre your weight over over the wheels and put you in a more upright position. Also easier on the arms as your torso is straighter so your legs take more of the weight. Basically they’re doing it for the exact same reason we swapped flat bars for high rise bars back when we were riding 120mm stems.
  • + 2
 @thenotoriousmic: How do you weight the front wheel on a long reach bike with slack head angle if you have a very tall bar height?

I think you may have things backwards - the rider this bar is named after famously used smaller DH bikes than everybody else, I belive he is also on a medium cannondale - hardly a long bike.

The DH riders that use high bars dont really have super long reach either, that or the rider is quite tall (e.g. greg) or the track quite gnarly / steep.

Besides, doesnt it depend on your height, frame geometry and type of riding you do? Josh is a super playful rider, is tall and rides a medium frame with high bars. Possibly not the ideal enduro race bike but great for pissing about in the woods.
  • + 1
 @justanotherusername: it’s not a very tall bar. It compensates for the increased reach and puts you in the same position as before. I ride a long full suss middle of the road hardtail and a BMX regularly and it’s a concept I understand well even though I’m not doing a good job of putting it into words. The shorter my bike the lower I run the bars my body position and weight distribution between my arms and legs stays the same.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: I didnt say it was a very tall bar, I asked how you weight the front end of a long bike with slack head angle if you have a very tall bar height.

If you are compensating for a longer reach should you just ride a shorter bike?
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: I can get how tall bar feels better for you on a long bike. Or rather how taller bar feels better for you than average stock bar, considering how little the head tubes grow in larger sizes on most bikes. Fine, th problem I have with yours statement is the other way around, how is a tall bar worse on a short bike? if you have a short bike with low cockpit and you are to brake hard, you'll have a tough time. I know because I ride a DJ in the woods sometimes, I have a front brake on it. I prefer to jump with higher cockpit and the only thing that annoys me with it is pedalling, when it gets too high it is hard to do BMX gate start kind of pedalling. I can't pull on the high bars as well as on race BMX. All in all, I do not believe in such thing as principles for optimized cockpit, because all good riders switch between dramatically different bikes (like DJ and DH) and are capable of performing rather well in majority of scenarios. Phil Atwill on his DJ bike... Discplaimer 1- if someone thinks, it doesn't count, this track was easy, go on, please send me some of those jumps on the "highway" on a DJ. I am dying to see it. Tall cockpits simply work well, how tall, it's a matter of fine tuning to your own preference. That is because the bike manouvering task that take most effort is pulling on bars to lift the front, followed shortly by bracing yourself against the bar. Disclaimer 2 - if you think you should ride neutral at all times, and brace yourself exclusively against pedals, I can tell how well you ride.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: because it puts you in a stood up position and all your weight is behind the bottom bracket. It’s the exact opposite of running a low bar with long reach.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: with all due respect... elbows. They make the arms bend... also you have to excuse me, long reach bike of today is 5cm longer than your bike from 10 years ago. You wouldn't be able to tell where is your COM over BB in that range, even if I was aiming a pistol at your head saying: you better get it right. Considering yourself in static position is one of the main modern coaching fallacies after "never lean back". We move over our bikes all the time, you ability to execute patterns of movements is what counts. 2cm up or down, is nothing more but personal fine tuning and has not much to do with any principle of bike fit and geometry. People talking bike fit for MTB are like all sorts of healers (incl. physiotherapists) speaking of toxins leaving your body.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Well bikes are getting longer and bars are getting higher. It’s not a coincidence. I’ll try and explain one more time... it’s hard to explain.

Yes you can bend your elbows but you want your arms in the right position to support your properly. Imagine a ridiculously short bike with ridiculously tall bars. You’d have to bend your arms in a way that your almost in a speed tuck. Not good for rough terrain you’d end up extending your arms into the position they should be with the right bar hight except you’d be putting your legs in a worse position as you’d be in a position where your almost sat on the back tyre. Same sense imagine a ridiculously long bike with a stupidly low bar. You’d be in the same position you would be if you was doing a push up. All your weight on your arms. It’s all about body shape and weight distribution.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns:

Reach 450mm 20mm rise bars.

www.instagram.com/p/Bq64dLLl4dA/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=bmt9ln8v6leo

Reach 485mm 35mm rise bars +1 5mm spacer

www.instagram.com/p/BoXLawMllv3/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=45j8tgsqvb43

Similar weight distribution and body position on both bikes though the bike in the first clip is a tad bit on the small side.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: are you kidding me? You will put it on bar height whatever that was? Two drastically different bikes and as to your riding I didn’t notice any difference or rather, didn’t see any constants, just variables. As it happens in mtb. Look if it makes you feel good I totally get it, We all have kinks, like I love Renthal bars, I get on a bike with them and just love it right away. I could possibly do well in a blind test. But these are petty kinks. Speaking of which... I feel difference in loading the front tyre between different back sweeps. Needless to say I find anythign above 8deg disgusting. Petty kinks, not principles
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I have no idea why you talking about kinks etc I’m just trying to explain why longer bikes have meant higher bars.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: because that is a kink of yours not a universal truth. If you want to tell me that right there you had a bar mount location moved 3,5cm forward and 2cm upward (was it even same handlbar ith same geo?) and it made you have different body position, I am going to laugh at you. Sorry. If your second run looked like something from caldwell visuals, I would give it 5 seconds longer thought. It just doesn’t work that way. You didn’t move much around the bike either, if you moved like people do on pumping flat ground drill you’d see that your COM moves back and forward in relation to BB by like 20cm and you will talk about difference in handling by moving 1cm in static position? Yes 1cm or less. If you assume some sort of position on a short vs longer bike, your com (belly button) will stay in more or less same position, it’s just your arms that will stretch out more forward. This is why I call Bs on stupid long geos. Above certain length, you loose ability to execute leverage on th bike and become more and more of a passenger. Experiencing it harder to manual or bunnyhop (like Mike Kazimer reported) is not only due to longer stays and in case of 29ers bigger bb drop, it is also about getting too stretched forward. Imagine yourself on a rowing machine and pulling from 10cm further forward than what feels optimal. Even given same height, different poeple will find different rowing position to be optimal. And that range will be bigger than your 3cm whatever direction we twlk about. Not to mention much bigger differences in stack heights of let’s say 27,5” bike of one make over a larger 29er of another. The only bike fit for MTB that works looks like this: buy 3 bars and 2 stems and ride each combo for at least 1 month, preferably more. Youncan spread it over a few years - It is irrelevant what your twin brother rides, you have to do the testing job on yourself. The rest is bro science or pay me the money so I can give you magic numbers. This piece by RC was ridiculous. The last cockpit change I made was moving from 750 renthal to 780 RF. Cut it down to 760 after no more than 5 rides. Never got used to it. Will buy Renthal as my next bar. Previous bike, 26” blur trc had 750 answer pro taper and 70mm stem. Didn’t work with shorter stem. Was falling off wooden bridges all the time with 40mm holzfeller. Months and months of trying. Money spent on used stems and bars, to find what works. Everytime I went for some trend I hated it.
  • - 1
 @WAKIdesigns Well I’ve tried and you just don’t get it. It’s really not a hard concept to get your head around.
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: don’t mean to sound rude but I’m not reading all that.
  • + 2
 @thenotoriousmic: I don’t get it either, it’s not just him.
  • + 0
 @justanotherusername: you really should know how bad hight effects your body position. It’s basic stuff. I can’t make it any simpler for you to understand. Go and experiment with headset spacers work it out for yourself.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: not mean to be rude but you are petty and most of the stuff you described is in your head. 2cm of increase in stack height will not change the position of your belly button over BB by any significant measure (like 5mm - good luck utilizing that), thus weight distribution over the bike, which is in reality never a constant. It's basic stuff.
  • + 0
 You clearly don’t understand so why are you still talking? If you don’t get something don’t contribute. Listen and you might learn something. X
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: The likelihood of anybody learning anything from you with your contradictory, argumentative jibberish is very slim. Same kind of crap, different topic, every time.
  • + 1
 @justanotherusername: mnah he at least tried. Most people here don't. And number of anynoymous aholes is also high. Like this dude Keit. Can you imagine a good rider not posting his riding? Chance is very slim. A quick check on someone's profile and I know right away who am I dealing with. I can see where he is coming from in most of his comments. I mean it in a good way. So thenotomic He gets credit from me, even thoug hi don't agree with him Wink
  • + 3
 How about the jump to manual round a fuckin corner !!! Defo worth a mention...
  • + 1
 Ridiculous
  • + 1
 I'd not watched the video until I read this comment. Thank you! That was awesome.
  • + 4
 Almost as innovative as I9's stem
  • - 2
 Ah come on, that was an in-house design, with in-house manufacturing and testing with actual reported durability benefits over some other products - this is a black anodised handlebar with a slightly higer rise than they previously offered with a burgtec sticker on it.
  • + 1
 @justanotherusername: Canadians and sarcasm.
  • + 3
 Even though it comes out of both sides of the stem, it is only one bar.. but I’m wierd I guess.
  • + 4
 Finally a bar with more than 2mm rise!!!! Thanks Rat!!!
  • + 5
 You do realise there are plenty of 30-40mm rise bars available on the market, dont you?
  • + 2
 I don't know why, but In the beginning I was afraid they are talking about 38mm clamp.
  • + 1
 he's not hard to understand...lol
  • + 1
 @justanotherusername
Yeah I do. It was just a pathetic dig on my part of all the barely rise bars I have seen over rthe past few years. Appreciate ya looking out though!!
  • + 0
 Gees that grip looks awfully famililar
a href="https://cdnmos-bikeradar.global.ssl.fastly.net/images/bikes-and-gear/components/grips/WMB88.gear.grips2_prev-630-80.jpg">here/a>
  • + 2
 Nice to see a pro rider avoiding the carbon and sticking to the metal. If it's good enough for him.......
  • + 0
 I mean no disrespect, but does the market really need another 9x5 bar? What I want is a flat bar — think 9deg back x 2deg up.
  • + 1
 Funn Fat Boy does it all an it's cheap like an apple. The weight is ok and never let me down. So what's the point?
  • + 1
 Missing seeing Josh on Santa Cruz....
  • + 1
 Now that was some proper riding style!! Get that lad a pint or two!!
  • - 2
 How does a re-branded, made in taiwan bar make it to the PB homepage as a 'Syndicate Prototye' because it is 30mm or Bryceland 'special' because it has a high rise. Marketing at its finest.
  • + 1
 yeah, I'd love seeing a made in the uk/eu alu riser bar
  • + 2
 dime a dozen
  • - 1
 Brycelands name on it...I want it. Never really wanted signature anything before this...well maybe the Same Hill hand guards.
  • + 1
 Sam...damn auto correct.
  • + 1
 Revealing article "...Greg prefers a raised flange.."
  • + 1
 I mean, who doesn't?
  • + 2
 Sick riding!!
  • + 0
 Will Josh Bryceland bars still work good on a Cannondale?
  • - 1
 Josh wanted a wider version of Deity's CZ38, and there you have it.
  • + 7
 Think he probably just wanted a higher rise version of the burgtec bars he was already using

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