Kali's New Enduro Helmet - First Look

Jan 31, 2017
by Mike Levy  
Enduro-inspired full-face helmets tend to come in three flavors; you've got convertible options like the Giro Switchblade and Bell's Super 2R that can be run with or without a chin bar, or you can use something like Urge's Archi-Enduro that employs a slimmer and low-profile chin bar that's not removable. The third option is a normal downhill helmet, of course, and we do see some racers using exactly that, weight and heat be damned. Kali's Brad Waldron is set to introduce a fourth option, however, with the upcoming Invader being a sort of hybrid between a true downhill helmet and an extremely well-vented half-shell, but with a non-removable chin bar.

In other words, the $250 USD Invader will be an enduro-specific full-face helmet with a permanently attached chin bar, unlike the Switchblade and Super 2R that are designed for the same type of use.


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Unfortunately, actual prototype examples of the Invader are still a long way out—the helmet won't be for sale until this coming summer—but I was provided with some early sketches of the new enduro helmet that make it clear what Kali is going for, which is apparently maximum airflow and what's likely to be an impressive weight figure. Then again, if you're designing an enduro helmet that can't be converted to a half-shell, it being breezier than a screen door and lighter than a true downhill lid is going to be pretty much mandatory if you expect people to wear it during the entire ride.

Also, you can guarantee that Kali is going to employ their Composite Fusion Plus shell design and LDL (an acronym for Low Density Layer) system that's already put to use in their other offerings.


Eurobike 2016
Eurobike 2016
On the left is an exagerated example of an LDL strip and how it flexes, and on the right you can see them put to use on Kali's Interceptor trail helmet.


LDL are rubber-ish strips (neither Armourgel, the company Kali worked with, nor Waldron will say exactly what those strips are made of) that have a specific shape to them, with short, cylindrical extensions that are designed to flex laterally when an off-axis impact occurs. Kali claims that they allow for some movement and energy dissipation before the EPS foam comes into play, which Waldron says allows the helmet to reduce rotational forces by 25% and low-G impact forces by a claimed 12%. You can learn more about LDL by reading First Look at the technology from last year's Eurobike tradeshow.

Waldron has even gone so far as to describe LDL as a ''MIPS killer,'' despite the fact that the majority of helmet companies are currently incorporating MIPS into their designs. No, he isn't exactly a wallflower when asked about his opinions on helmet safety and current testing standards, which is exactly what you can read below.




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Mike Levy: Unlike many of the new enduro-inspired full-face helmets with removeable chin bars, the Invader's is permanently attached. Those other helmets have passed the ASTM downhill testing with the removable chin bar, and Kali could have gone down the same road, but you've decided to go with a one-piece design regardless. Why is this?

Brad Waldron: While the ASTM is a good measure, it is not difficult to pass. The only standard you must pass to sell a bicycle helmet is the CPSC (Consumer Product Safety Commission) - there is not a chin bar test in the CPSC standard. So the only ‘test’ you have to measure DH helmets against is the ASTM standard.

Having said that, how strong should your chin bar be? Too strong and it does not give at all and the impact energy has to go someplace. It does; it transfers through to your head - so some ‘give’ is a good thing. Right now, how much give is up to each company and their manufacturing philosophy or the factory they depend on to do it for them. Our philosophy is that the safety standards we currently manufacture to require all helmets to be too hard, which transfers unnecessary amounts of impact forces to your head. Most helmet impacts are not catastrophic linear hits, the majority of the impacts a rider experiences are well below what the test machines put your helmet through in order to pass current helmet standards. We want to take care of those low-G hits as well because the lower hits are not being addressed by our current helmet standards. When I say lower hits, these are still hits that cause some level of brain trauma and concussions - usually a combination of linear and rotational impacts.

It only takes 74 G’s to get ‘knocked out’ according to Dr. Plant of Armourgel, a professor at the Imperial College of London. If you look at most of the test results with the current helmet standards, you are usually looking at G-forces over 100 g’s, sometimes over 200 G’s. Think of your last concussion, did you go unconscious? Then your last concussion was below 74 G’s. We are not addressing those low-G hits in our current test methodology. I believe there are compromises in design that you need to make when you use a removable system, and frankly, that is not how I ride. I don’t want to carry around extra pieces that I have to take off, put on, take off... the goal here is to have a comfortable-yet-safe helmet, leave it on, be protected and ride.



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Levy: In your opinion, what exactly is inherently less safe about a clip-on chin bar?

Waldron: If you look at the helmet standards (CPSC and ASTM), you will see that helmets are not tested in the mechanism areas. The ASTM chin bar tests helmet impacts straight on the very front of the chin bar. People definitely hit this location in a crash, but it is not uncommon to hit your head in other areas as well, including the mechanism area. We study as many crashed helmets as we can get our hands on. You hit your head where the mechanisms are placed. So why add more mechanisms and weight when you don’t really need it.


Levy: Kali has long been a proponent of helmet designs with slimmer profiles that won't provide as much leverage on the head and neck as a design with a larger silhouette. Softer and more forgiving helmet shells have also been a mainstay in Kali's line. Can we expect to see these principles applied to the Invader?

Waldron: Certainly, it is in our core beliefs that helmets need to be softer, not just the shells, but the interior foams and surfaces. We look to apply this to everything we make. We continue to learn about rotational forces and brain trauma, which reinforces my belief in the need to reduce the effects of rotational forces. Smaller, lighter helmets are a factor in reducing torque forces. We also use a Low Density Layer (LDL) next to your head. The material we are using is made by Amour Gel, and it reduces linear impacts and low-G hits. The LDL accomplishes this by compressing on linear impacts and folding over onto itself or shearing on oblique impacts - both actions reduce low-G linear and rotational impact forces.

The in-molding process we do for full-face helmets (Composite Fusion) lets us use a thinner shell; if the shell is too stiff the energy does not dissipate quickly enough and too much of the energy goes to the brain before it can start to be absorbed by the foam. In traditional construction, the shell spreads the load of the impact, while the foam dissipates the energy after the shell breaks down. With Composite Fusion, both still perform that function, but they do it simultaneously, getting the impact forces to the foam immediately.





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  • 109 1
 Props to any company that calls out industry standards. This discussion about softer helmets should be more common, after all it is the only piece of safety equipment that we all consistently use.
"If you look at most of the test results with the current helmet standards, you are usually looking at G-forces over 100 g’s, sometimes over 200 G’s. Think of your last concussion, did you go unconscious? Then your last concussion was below 74 G’s."
Makes sense to me... good stuff
I think my next helmet with be a Kali
  • 8 23
flag Pedro404 (Jan 31, 2017 at 9:32) (Below Threshold)
 Does that specific part make sense though? They say that it takes 74 Gs to go unconscious and then that if you went unconscious during your last concussion, it means it was below 74 Gs?
  • 21 1
 @Pedro404: Read it again mate, there is a difference between going unconscious and getting a concussion. If you didn't go unconscious from your last concussion it was below 74. My point is, and I believe his point as well, that most impacts are not above that line. We would do well to combat those "lesser" hits too
  • 51 1
 I might be interested in this, as I'm suspicious of the removable chin bar designs with the built in failure points. It's very hard to design something to properly dissipate forces if there's a mechanical link in it.

That said - I'm stoked to see lots of helmet companies doing lots of good homework and research, but I'm flabbergasted as to why there's not an industry wide effort at getting to better standards that more realistically model the sorts of risks we're actually trying to protect against. Today's helmet standards area joke, as they all predate a revolution in what we know about brain injuries (which is still, all in all, pathetically little, but you gotta start somewhere). Why won't the industry get together and finance the research that could produce a better model of the risks to be managed, so that then they can all compete (using their proprietary technologies and different approaches) in how to best mitigate them?

Find a researcher interested in a juicy dissertation subject. Develop a thin skull cap with accelerometers hooked up to data collection to be worn under helmets. Hand out to riders volunteering to be part of the study (for example, at large events like Enduros or demo days and such). Correlate the data with other tracking (such as Strava etc.) and what you know about each rider (short questionnaire, what sort of bike, etc.). Then create shit-tons of data and start looking for things that can tell you what sort of use is likely to create what sort of crashes, and what those crashes translate into in terms of forces on the head. One full season of data collection, one off-season of data crunching and writing, and then a peer reviewed process to draw conclusions that can then turn into a standards setting process.

The outcome would be something like recommended types and levels of protection for different types of use profiles (because frankly the risks faced by different types of riders may very well be different not just in level/extent, but also in a qualitative way). Which would then turn into standards. Which would then allow manufacturers to create helmets that target the sorts of things riders really should care about, and to quantify performance against those standards.

What's in it for the industry is that when you have real data backing the whole thing up, what's probably going to happen is that riders will be more aware and concerned about injury risk, and that will lead to them happily buying more than one helmet (if they do different types of riding), replace their helmets more frequently (if you can show them in some way what does or doesn't compromise a helmet, instead of just rules of thumb), and evangelize for helmet use all over the place - all of which would be good for the industry's sales, good for riders, and a win for science (as there'd be some spillover from this to other disciplines - that research could then be replicated for contact sports like football and soccer and hockey, or for skateboarding, skiing, snowboarding, motor cycling, MX, etc.).

@MikeLevy, @richardcunningham, @vernonfelton, @mikekazimer - how about PB turning that into a bit of a crusade? Head injuries in risk sports are a huge issue, there's huge economic impact (both on the industry, and in terms of public health), and tremendous personal impact. Taking this up could elevate PB over the usual action sports media model of journalism...
  • 5 21
flag driftmonster (Jan 31, 2017 at 9:57) (Below Threshold)
 Have you ever dropped you helmet from shoulder height by accident ? Thaya considered a crash and renders the helmet no good . Dented the foam , same : Softer helmets means more frequently replaced helmets . Means more money for helmet companies .

I'm not saying my head isn't worth the extra coin . It's just rediclous how soft they already are .
  • 13 0
 @g-42: You're awesome. I totally agree, but the cost for something like that is difficult to gauge.
But... that sounds like a decent subject for a capstone project. It would need funding, but to have that research come out a decent university as a true third party would seem like a plus, eh?
@KaliProtectives
  • 6 0
 @driftmonster: Depends - without good data on what sort of risk the helmet is supposed to protect us, it's very hard to gauge not only how a new helmet performs that task, but also how much a particular type of impact compromises the helmet's ability to do so.
  • 17 0
 @g-42:
It is worse. The CPSC standard says that a 2 m drop to a flat anvil or a 1.2 m drop to a curbstone anvil shall not result in a peak acceleration to a standard headform of greater than 300 g. Why 300 g? Because that is the best estimate of what it takes to kill someone.

Why won't they change the standard to protect against concussions? Because people will yell and scream that they are loosening the standard and people will DIE!!!! If you aren't going to make the helmet a lot bigger, you can't improve protection against concussion-level impacts without reducing the protection against death-level impacts. Everyone who has put in a lot of miles on a bike, doing any kind of riding, would make that trade in a second, but they don't work at the CPSC. It is good to hear a helmet designer saying it.
  • 6 0
 @SJP: CPSC will budge if there are standards that are backed by solid, peer reviewed research, an industry asking to adopt those standards, and consumer representatives (and perhaps medical establishment) supporting that effort. But in the absence of all of that, CPSC will stick with what they have.
  • 6 8
 "after all it is the only piece of safety equipment that we all consistently use."

Not counting brakes, then?
  • 6 0
 @KeithReeder: Fair enough... those make you slow though Smile
  • 7 2
 @KeithReeder: pretty sure safety equipment and bike components aren't the same thing
  • 2 0
 @g-42:
Fair enough. Unfortunately, MTB is a small market compared to kids' helmets and road bike helmets. So, the obstacles are pretty big. For kids and road bikes, it is less obvious that it would be better to design for lower-speed impacts (though I still think it would be). There is no way the CPSC will develop a separate MTB standard, because it will be seen as too confusing (and manufacturers almost certainly will not be supportive of that). So, I am not very hopeful.
  • 4 1
 *cash register sound* Good for you, Kali. Doing smart publicity, this guy didn't even know!
  • 11 0
 @g-42: Virginia Tech is looking to research bicycle helmets in their 10-year plan for helmet ratings. They're already well known for their work with football helmets. It would be great if the large bicycle helmet manufactures contributed funds to this research - maybe it would help reduce the timeline a bit. Pinkbike could also provide some exposure.

"Through a series of impact tests, helmets are evaluated using 2 fundamental concepts: 1) each test is weighted based on how frequently players experience them and 2) helmets that lower head acceleration reduce concussion risk. The impact conditions and weightings are sport-specific, and inclusive of the broad range of head impacts that athletes are likely to experience."

www.beam.vt.edu/helmet/index.php
  • 2 1
 @swamper1: Yeah, I get that, and I suppose that's what they meant, but I think it's not formulated well and the way it's written, it is implied that you DID go unconscious from your last concussion. "Think of your last concussion, did you go unconscious? (Here you can answer yes or no, I feel like yes is implied) Then your last concussion was below 74 G’s."
  • 2 0
 @KeithReeder: Many BMX'ers will use a helmet before brakes, as many have no brakes to begin with.
  • 6 0
 @g-42: @g-42: You're spot on with what we need as an industry. I've been bringing it up on a few of the recent helmet reviews PB has done over the last few months, Leatt & Kali (Both linked the actual test data when requested, huge kudos to them, they stand by the product). Basically we as customers should know how safe the helmets are that we are using, not just that they are comfy and look sick!.

Even if the companies would just release the data they produce when they test the helmets would be a huge step forward. At least we would know how well it passes a test rather than yes or no. Imagine if suspension was tested like that, Q, Did it go up and down by 8"? A, Yes. Review: It's great!!!!, it looks good, has an animals head on it and shines a nice color of cold, It's totally worth $2000!!!!!!!!! (being very sarcastic here).

Kali and Leatt both linked the actual data when requested but we shouldn't need to ask, it should be given to every reviewer as an advertisement of how great the products are. Then we can easily tell if a helmet is good or not.

The testing you mention would be great but would take years to pull together, don't get me wrong it should be done. However, we could get the data the manufacturers already have tomorrow if they wanted to release it. Then the consumer can make an informed decision.

@karl-burkat @MikeLevy, @richardcunningham, @vernonfelton, @mikekazimer
  • 45 8
 did waki draw these
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flag jaycubzz (Jan 31, 2017 at 9:18) (Below Threshold)
 yeah its so god damn ugly/stupid looking i thought "thats wakis design"
  • 6 0
 @jaycubzz: haha I'm not saying its good or bad, thats just where my mind goes when I see these types of sketches
  • 10 0
 @kbonesddeuce: The profile drawing in particular is very nice.. Industrial design style with prismacolor pencils, much like Waki uses, but I think he does more ink.. I went to ID school and appreciate Waki and this artists drawing style.. They're better at it than I am.
  • 23 2
 No it wasn't me and no it isn't nearly as ugly as all Euro helmets with detachable chin...
  • 4 1
 @WAKIdesigns: maybe it's just your face. Quit blaming the poor helmet.
  • 2 0
 @Jokesterwild: Bell has openly adressed the issue of cheeks getting squeezed with inner side pads on the chin piece, making your face look like arse with nose sticking out of it.
  • 33 0
 This is what i think a good enduro helmet should be: one piece lighter and better ventilated helmet with a non removable chinbar.
  • 16 0
 I agree. I'm voting with my wallet and buying one
  • 7 0
 Agreed! Met didit right but the Parachute is not comfortable for me at all so I'm stuck in my super 2r for now. TAKE MY MONEY KALI!!
  • 16 4
 It is beyond my comprehension how hard can it be for a human being to attach a legitimate full face helmet to the back pack/ hang it on handlebar like everyone used to do before Enduro got cool. And then if you race/ worry about your head on the climb, just put a fricking roadie helmet on. Then strap the roadie helmet to the backpack, put FF on, and off you go. Doesn't work with fanny pack though...

Oh, and Specialized already did a highly ventilated FF helmet in the past, that even looked good. Props to Kali for making such helmet but still... first world problems... first thing you'll see is folks riding in the bike parks in full body armor and these. Cuz brain damage is more acceptable than scratches on elbows and forearms. You can see them already in Met Parachutes and Super 2Rs.
  • 6 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Two helmets is a stretch for many. It's kinda dumb for most. Enduro does throw a wrench in things with the "helmet all the time" rule. Would love a trucker hat with "HELMET" written on the front of it if I could get away with it. Those fire road climbs on a hot day in your full face (even if it's a sleek carbon one) does suck. I've been pushing for a collapsible, packable, light duty, "climbing" helmet ever since this was a debate. After all, people use to make fun of my fanny pack 5 years ago.
  • 3 2
 @n1ck: I never climbed in a fullface. I don't get though why not to use two helmets, considering that a decent roadie helmet costs 120$. As to fanny packs: Dan Bilzerian and Joe Rogan are big fans, so I don't even dare to laugh at fanny packs. I just meant that hanging a helmet won't work with one.
  • 13 0
 @WAKIdesigns: "Beyond your comprehension?" These helmets are perfect for aggressive single track riding, which most of us partake in often. In an legit enduro race, sure two helmets is the best call. For a weekend ride with friends, I'm not carrying two helmets and there are definitely many descents/Hits where a half shell leaves me vulnerable.

If someone plans on replacing their DH helmet with this, that's just poor judgement. Point being these helmets definitely have their place.
  • 5 1
 @n1ck: if money is the reason for the stretch... all the money we spend on bikes, I think two helmets is money well spent depending on what you do. I go to the park but a few times a year and use my legit full face I have just for this. renting could be an option here. point being, I would much rather be in a full, full face at the park.... right tool for the right job.... it's your brain man...
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Dan Bilzerian and Joe Rogan both have conceal carry permits. They arent just using them to carry a wallet and cell.

The two helmet system doesnt work for everyone due to a few factors. The variety of choices that are coming to market and focus on reducing concussions and neck injuries instead of just life threatening head injuries is a step in the right direction. I have to give props to Kali for questioning the status quo and striving for something better...even if better looks almost exactly like the original switchblade
  • 4 4
 Personally, I like a bit more penetration protection for enduro racing. A helmet with holes all over it doesn't look particularly safe to me. A stick or rock could go right through it.
  • 4 0
 @mscofield4: Love my Met Parachute it's the most comfortable helmet I've ever worn. My weird melon shape means I can't fit Giro or Bell helmets. I've got a TLD half lid, but it's not that comfy. Viva la Met!
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Two helmets gets old. Had to wear a pack to get it up the hill and then swap it out. Now I stuff the chin bar in a bib pocket and install it at the trail head. Plus my friends get the added bonus of me, in the dark, asking if it's in yet.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: If this helmet protects as well as Kali claims, it should be good enough for enduro riding. If it is as well ventilated as it seems to be, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to wear it on the climbs as well. Why bother with two helmets? People nowadays need dropper posts for everything because it is too hard to operate a qr or to just leave the saddle low. But we'd rather stop, swap and stow helmets rather than ride on?

For those people riding one of these and full body armour, maybe they're just being wise and are aware that this helmet better suits the speed they're going at? Rather than go "I need the toughest biggest helmet out there because I'm the fastest and when I go down, I go down proper hard". As for the rest of the body armour, you are aware that it is not to protect you from scratches. A simple MX shirt does that just fine. Spine protection does a horrible job at protecting your elbows, must be a useless piece of kit then.
  • 3 0
 @vinay: nope, Enduro racing is effectively 4-7 DH racing competitions in one day with uphill sections, and you need to count in the fact that you are tired as hell on 4th stage of the day. At least protect your head properly. I am yet to see a person who rides harder on DH bike than on Enduro bike on a regular ride with buddies. People have this weird idea that I am riding a smaller bike so I am safer or conversely I will now shred super hard cuz I'm on DH bike. Both approaches are dangerous in their own way.
  • 2 0
 Totally agree, MET parachute is a good base to progress from just needs deeper chin guard and d3o inserts and by the looks of early designs it's heading that way.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I've lost the transition lid during race stage in the past, withbthe met parachute without the chin pads inserted on a climb even in hot days it's not too bad not great but it's ok.
  • 1 0
 @enduroFactory: foldable transition helmets then...
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 @WAKIdesigns: I'm not saying that enduro riding requires less protection than DH riding. What I understand from the article is that Kali is designing a helmet that offers DH level protection using a different approach (of simply using a smaller profile instead of more cushioning). That is, the article states (if I understand correctly) that the helmet could pass the ASTM downhill tests. Like many other companies, they aren't happy with just that and go a bit further. I think it makes sense. Specialized used to have their Dissent helmet (if I recall correctly). Matt Hunter used it in the Roam video, Specialized 4X athletes used it their races. But that Dissent helmet is just their Instinct helmet with a chin bar. Same with the Met Parachute. That is a Met Anaxagore with a chin bar. I may not have been paying enough attention but I have never heard of riders getting injured because the Dissent helmet was inadequate and a hard shell full face helmet would have been better. Then again I have heard of people being injured by the hard shell of their THE full face helmet.
  • 1 0
 @enduroFactory: I have found the Parachute fantastic. It is still the lightest and best vented endure lid on the market.
  • 1 0
 @Solo77: it's flaw is a low chinguard, deflects a faceplant into your eyebox. Goggles saved my eye once a came round had concussion for a week. Good lid still room for improvement for them wtf moments.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: the real question I have, what makes a helmet with gaps in the shell less safe? If anything wouldn't striking the gapped area disperse the impact to a larger area of foam, instead of point loading? Is it just conventional logic that an mx style helmet provides better impact protection?
  • 1 0
 @friendlyfoe: there's a difference impact vs penetration
From what I've been told there's limited if zero penetration tests or all helmets would fail with any form of vents
  • 1 0
 @enduroFactory: not if outer shell is made of carbon fiber with tuned layup. The magic material. You spend 2k on a helmet and you just cannot say anything bad about it.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: If you want to protect against penetration you need aramid (like DuPont Kevlar), not carbon.
  • 1 0
 That was just a stupid joke Wink
  • 14 0
 I wear my full day e shive in most enduring and really don't mind it. It's comfortable and doesn't get too hot. Looking forward to trying one of these, but I suppose it would depend on the race because I generally opt for the DOT approved Shiva at gnarly enduros. This o e will be great for some CES stops like Toro, Mendo, Ashland.
  • 13 1
 Holy typos. I hate my phone. *Full face* *enduros* *one*
  • 3 0
 Someone give him a hard card! I just think your screen name is funny, and you may be my brother from another mother.
  • 1 0
 It seems you are thinking in the opposite direction of Kali. The DOT ratings are for much higher impacts that would occur on a road at higher speeds. Im not saying your wrong I just believe that most mountain bike helmets do not get the DOT sticker because they are made lighter for lower speed impacts. Whats the fasted you do on a mountain bike maybe 40 tops and thats usually in a wide open area. The DOT specs are recognized by people racing cars and motorcycles well over 100 MPH.
  • 1 0
 @livehardrideharder:

No way, man. I am going enduring today. It is freaking brilliant. You've coined a new word that will catch fire. Some days I like XCing, other days I like enduring, every once in a while I go downhilling.
  • 5 2
 Keep on shiving in the most enduring way!

I want to go Enduring in the Below Threshold, will people please downvote me there?
  • 5 0
 @livehardrideharder i have been wearing my Kali Avatar2 pretty much every ride lately... i would be into this helmet, especially with LDL in there... have you seen on their site they also have drawing of a Shiva with LDL and CF Nanocore... If you are going to enduro you def need to think about ensafening your head parts...
  • 28 17
 Doesn't that '4th option' exist as the MET Parachute currently? Meets ASTM, non-removable chin bar, highly ventilated.

Quit creating categories to market your products when others already exist. Competition is good, but lets exist in a fact-based reality.

#stopalternativefacts
  • 9 1
 I get asthma when I hear about ASTM... The fact that there are some sketchy helmets which get ASTM leaves it meaningless, at least in my eyes. And Parachute is ... oh sorry it's in the eye of the beholder.
  • 4 1
 Was thinking that myself. Met mustn't pay pinkbike any money as it's never mentioned. Mines been great.
  • 2 1
 Specialized deviant. Still have one...from 2010.
  • 2 1
 @Boardlife69: my son has one too..
  • 14 0
 Cannot wait for this helmet to be available. I just hope they get the colors right.
  • 2 0
 I'm just surprised they show it so early. There were words from Troy Lee that they'd show something new early 2017. Could it be competition for this still hypothetical helmet?
  • 11 4
 How do you you write this article without mentioning the MET Parachute? A lightweight, well ventilated, full-face helmet that passes the ASTM DH cert...
  • 5 0
 Good idea Kali. My current DH helmet is a Kali and its a really nice helmet. Would buy a Kali again. I especially like their more streamlined design. My neck doesn't get yanked around like it did when wearing the current "bobble head" design found on other helmets.
  • 4 0
 Props for the reference to chin-bar standards.
I've had a bunch of small-ish crashes off my moto, and every time I've hit the dirt face first, I have wound up with the most incredibly sore neck and shoulders as a result of being violently jarred by an unforgiving chin bar. For some reason, I've never experienced the same type of crash on the MTB (not for lack of trying!) but given our relatively 'low' speeds, this all makes sense..
  • 5 1
 With all of the recent awareness of concussion head trauma - Kali are doing a fantastic job with their helmet design to try and mitigate this. But where do I buy one? I would really like an Interceptor, but I can't find one anywhere.
  • 7 0
 Sounds like awesome tech that makes sense. Just hope companies stop designing such stupid looking gorby visors.
  • 4 0
 how come the met never seems to get a mention on here.....does it not do the same. Not that this is a bad idea i welcome more helmets of this type but just curious why apart from the review done on here whenever enduro helmets are mentioned the met is left out of the discussion. i really like mine cos its very light and very well ventilated and doesn't have a removable chin bar so just like this one here but its allready available.
  • 4 0
 The drawing looks like the current version of the Met Parachute. Which has a great blend of ventilation and protection. But old school protection tech. I've had the first version where there were lots of complaints about the chin protection failing (saved my face a number of times). And the second/current version. For me both are comfortable to wear even in hot wx. I like the idea that the protection against concussions is advancing. And the idea of protecting my noggin from the lower speed impacts is encouraging. Seems that the trade off of providing low speed protection with no damage to the helmet and high speed protection where the helmet is sacrificed/destroyed is doable and would be welcome. Also good to see an alternative to MIP's which seems like a marketing ploy that works well in a lab with a bald test rig. I'm looking for a helmet now. Will be buying a Kali because it's a good helmet and it supports this avenue of protection.
  • 5 0
 I've always liked Kali as a company since they posted on one of my threads and agreed that helmet testing should move more towards what we see with cars. Show us real numbers and explain them.
  • 4 0
 After 30 yrs of riding mountain bikes I have to say that my worse moments hitting the ground have all been on XC type bikes with old school long stems. I went over the bars monthly and once split a reg bell type helmet into 2 pieces and was concussed. After yrs of XC type bikes lead me a 66.7ish 150mm slacker type ride. I don't need big and slack for local ride but I like it because mistakes are forgivin repeatedly without the penalty of auguring my head into the ground. 8 seasons and no head slams over the frontend while riding the same trails and also riding other stuff like Top of the World that I could not imagine riding with any bikes I rode in the past. ( I do not own any body Armour but will likely own some in the future) I can see me as a old guy wearing this full face If I where to ride the old school geo again it would have to be with a full face. Bigger slacker safer! I will be checking out this helmet when it hits the shelf.
  • 7 0
 Where is the Kendall-Weed edit???
  • 5 0
 my next helmet will be a Kali for sure! to know that I can smash my head and not have to spend another $200 is simply too good
  • 7 0
 Kali makes excellent helmets, whatever design you end up going with.
  • 15 11
 No protypes available to photograph (or clay models) but it will be available by summer? LOL. Maybe if you rushed it into production today with zero real world testing
  • 13 3
 No models available for the public to view... Doesn't mean they dont exist.
  • 9 11
 Wishful thinking. You're a Kali Sponsored rider. Have they ever delivered a product on time? I would bet cash this product is a year out.
  • 7 9
 Oh, and it says in the article "actual prototypes are a long way out."
  • 7 0
 @Circe I don't know why you got so neg-propped, the same thing occurred to me as I was reading the article!
  • 8 1
 Give me all the vents!!
  • 4 0
 Hey Kali, I'm eagerly awaiting your Interceptor release. Any chance you'll have some sore of exchange program/rebate option where it's released?
  • 5 0
 Same here.... dont care about another crappy met parachute for joeys. I want my interceptor!
  • 6 2
 Met parachute already exists. A light breathable full face that meets astm dh standard. This is another one of an existing helmet type not something new.
  • 6 0
 Did you read the article? What Kali are trying to do is design a helmet that covers a broader range of impact scenarios, in particular to cover the lower G force impacts which still can cause serious injury or in the case of concussion can have long term health implications. The Met Parachute (and most other helmets) don't do this so yes what Kali are doing is unique.
  • 1 1
 @StackingItSince1991: its not a new type of helmet but. and as for rest of marketing guff trying to explain why it doesn't pass the basic astm dh cert I don't buy it. Same as the bell video about it trying to say it was good but the chin piece deflected into your teeth on front impact.
  • 5 1
 @bat-fastard: Kali do have impact data to back up their claims so its not all marketing guff.
  • 1 3
 @StackingItSince1991: how they don't even have a prototype to show... sorry computer modelling isn't real testing.
  • 5 0
 @bat-fastard: This is using the same technology that is in the Interceptor so the technology Kali are using is tested but just not on the helmet shown.
  • 5 0
 I really like what Kali are doing with their approach to protection - can't wait to see one in the flesh!
  • 1 0
 Talking about softer shell, MIPS and impact absorption...
This makes me wonder if a headwear like "buff" or so, under the helmet, has a significant impact on protecting the head.
If so, maybe it's a different approach to improve head protection.
  • 1 0
 I've been waiting and wanting a well vented full face that still works well with a neck brace. I broke my neck a couple years ago and now SHOULD wear a neck brace (I use an Atlas) on all rides. But it's hard to justify the heat and weight for quick trail laps with the lady, and find myself not bothering with a brace and FF more often then I should, since a even a relatively slow speed, albeit awkward crash could send me bike packrafting to the river Styx.
  • 5 0
 Maybe good competition for the MET parachute
  • 1 0
 Me I just run my good'ol D3! Comfy, splendid protection (of which I have tried a fair few times) and a nice way to mount speakers in. Couldnt careless to have anything lighter, we're barely pushing above 25 celcius a week/year. I am rather fond of the fact it is quite warm!
  • 5 0
 This is the type of helmet I want.
  • 4 0
 a small size for kids would be great
  • 2 1
 I wish I could see a picture of something other than a drawing! I've had a concussion of 350 G's, was conscious the whole time, said alphabet backwards in 20 seconds, drove home and drank a beer
  • 5 0
 These are the worst... especially if you had a concussion in the past where you got knocked out so you ignore sht. I got a very mild concussion after hitting the ground once. But it was enough to get me black out and leave with me with some rather bad head ache for 2-3 days. Last time I hit the ground doing face place, hitting the ground with my forehead, OTBing from max 1m height. I had no such symptoms. Mild head ache, no other stuff going on than becoming horribly tired. Went to work and sht started happening 3-4 days after. Memory loss, sudden inability to focus, sitting at work, not knowing how I got there, sitting in front of the computer in the middle of the day and going: oh, I need to make myself breakfast, and get to work fast, I have so much to do, wait? I am in front of the computer that's funny. Took me two months to get straight
  • 8 0
 @WAKIdesigns: 2 months ? Are you sure it's really over…?
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Enduring a face place shift sounds cognitive
  • 5 1
 Good looks Kali. I like my teeth!
  • 6 2
 Cool, helmet art.
  • 4 1
 Make a decision, are you going big today or not?
  • 1 2
 You might hit 88mph and time travel and you might not. You might peg 74 g's and go unconscious, and you might not. But if I , or my son get on bike, either to ride to school or go on the trails, we are wearing full face helmets. Half shells are so spandex.
  • 2 1
 Fox has something very similiar yet to be released with adjustable head dealeo-as reg half lids have.
  • 5 3
 Does it really only exist as a drawing at this point?
  • 1 0
 Remembers me those 1st or 2nd ed. of the Deviant Helmet ( specialized )
  • 1 0
 Octopuses like massages too.
  • 1 0
 But will it blend?
  • 2 4
 Who TF measures impact force in G's???
  • 3 0
 friggin nasa man
  • 5 7
 It needs a longer visor. The one on it looks dumb
  • 3 0
 definitely agree the visor needs to be longer!
  • 2 0
 @barbaricht: so short its pointless
  • 1 3
 Looks like xult
  • 1 4
 That thing is ugly like an old Giro Mad Max.
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