Kitsbow Now Accepting Orders for Made-to-Order Haskell Shorts, Sewn in North Carolina

Jul 8, 2021
by Alicia Leggett  

Kitsbow is now accepting orders for the updated Haskell mountain bike shorts, which will be made to order in Kitsbow’s North Carolina manufacturing facility.

Unlike most clothing companies that choose to mass-produce each item in just a few size and color options, Kitsbow is doing things differently.

Going a step beyond 'Made in the USA,' Kitsbow is the only U.S. mountain bike apparel company to use so-called 'lean manufacturing,' making each item specifically for the customer.

The idea, Kitsbow says, is to eliminate the waste of unsold clothing and scraps and cut the need for overseas transportation while giving customers more flexibility in fit, size, and color combinations.


The Haskell short will be offered in 8- and 11-inch inseam options, a wide range of sizes, and three colors: Wild Oak, Dark Olive, and Dry Grey.

bigquotesWe can offer our customers more choices because our apparel is made to each order. We're making every garment to your size, color preference, and length; and then delivering them. The trade-off is that we serve each order as it arrives, so you'll need to get in line right now.David Billstrom, CEO of Kitsbow

The Haskell shorts are available for pre-order on Kitsbow's website for $195 USD. Orders will begin shipping August 2.


141 Comments

  • 132 9
 While I don't disagree that the price is absurd, we're going to have to start normalizing higher prices for things if we don't want them made in China or other sweatshop conditions. The prices we have been paying in the past simply don't reflect the true human and material (not to mention environmental) costs of the products we consume.
  • 41 3
 Wouldn't that mean that the prices are reasonable, not absurd?
  • 58 0
 Disagree that it's absurd, but agree with your follow-up. It's going to be challenging to re-calibrate our pricing expectations when we are multiple generations deep into a worldwide supply chain. I have to constantly remind myself that it's better to pay more for quality and consume less as a result.
  • 39 2
 @lagranger: That last line is it right there.

If people really want to bring back local manufacturing we have to get used to the idea that it won't be cheap, and we cant impulse buy things on Amazon that come in a four pack when we only need one.
  • 26 0
 We may discover that quality lasts longer, and by that token less is more.
  • 5 0
 @TrailFeatures: This.

Very much this.
  • 7 0
 Well they do come with Kitsbow's crash policy and lifecycle guarantee. Crash? They'll see if they can repair it, if they can't they'll make it easier to get back in Kitsbow. Not mentioned in the article - their products come in biodegradable packaging.
  • 9 0
 I’m definitely not an expert in this but I bet we could make the prices less absurd, over time, if we more to a USA manufacturing model. We don’t have a ton of infrastructure for it because we’ve always been so reliant on China and they’re just aren’t many USA manufacturers. I bet if we really shifted the paradigm, we could scale over time and reduce the costs. Probably wouldn’t be Chinese cheap necessarily but they would come down I bet.
  • 8 0
 @TrailFeatures: i feel ya. every time I walk into the liquor store I walk out with 6 pack instead of 2 tall cans
  • 8 1
 @lagranger: I'd like to clarify that the only reason I think their pricing absurd is that this is placed as a premium market good. Needs Factory here in Canada has made in Canada riding pants for the same price, but in Canadian dollars. Their shorts significantly undercut kitsbow price wise, especially once exchange, rates are taking into account. Their ability to make an amazing product, made in North America, for a competitive price shows what's possible.
  • 2 2
 @TrailFeatures: one more time, louder for the people in the back!
  • 4 3
 $200 for shorts with non zippered pockets…I’ll pass
  • 1 0
 @grizwald: Try the Mezcals.
  • 3 0
 As long as my boss want to make money with my time ,the cheaper as possible... Ill do the same
  • 14 11
 I struggle with Kitsbow's value. They moved here and have linked up with local organizations pushing new trail in the area, but at the same time, they're pushing a lot of west coast nut job mindset and pretty sure that hasn't worked out on the left coast either.

I like that they're trying to revive an industry in Old Fort that died 2 generations ago. The only people who worked in textiles in the area are over 70 years old now. They are trying to train and bring back jobs to the small town, but their clientelle drive Bentley's and Bugatis. I know exactly ZERO locals that have the money to buy their goods.

As I've said previously, you would think that if they moved to a small town to trim costs from their prior location, got TONS of local tax incentives and a cheaper labor force, their pricing would stabilize and/or become more reasonable.

It hasn't.
  • 1 0
 @lagranger: It is going to be hard to recalibrate. Especially with brands like Voler making shorts in California for half that price...
  • 5 0
 @blowmyfuse: ehhh idk dude lots of people around here rock kitsbow - I do believe you have a point about the tax incentives and wages they pay their employees (lets face it here in NC poverty wages are totally normal) but
the commenter at the top hit it on the nose - we live in a totally ruined economy - if you want high end hand made clothing to go on your mtb rides you prolly need to realize that these things will never be "affordable" again. I work at a bike shop and 50% of my day is trying to help novice riders understand that the price of bikes is just as much of the "new normal" as everything else.
  • 4 1
 @ratedgg13 I don't assume every piece of clothing is made in an unethical factory just because it is not made in the USA. So just labeling every overseas job a sweatshop neglects to recognize some people might consider that a viable way to provide for their family. Other countries provide so many different types of goods and services and jobs to go with it. If you only see the solution as moving production to north America....well good luck with that dream.
  • 8 1
 @foggnm: I would think most realize it's not a goal to bring back all manufacturing, but to maintain a level of competency and internal trade that supports one another rather than sending our purchasing power to tiny countries that will not be returning any purchasing power in like kind.

Keeping skilled trades alive is vital to living autonomously. I think COVID has taught us a lot about that. No one understood just how bad it was to send all our purchases through Bezos or overseas companies until we saw the economic impact to everyone.

Granted, we'll never stop the flow of "gotta have a dingle this and a dongle that" desire to have cheap stuff, but I've seen an exponentially greater number of people starting to understand that it really is garbage.
  • 2 6
flag foggnm (Jul 8, 2021 at 19:37) (Below Threshold)
 @ratedgg13 I guess you can stop drinking coffee, putting gas in your car, using your computer/tv, buying bike parts....
  • 5 0
 Other bike manufacturers have gear made in China but charge a premium, but I am glad these are domestically made at nearly the same price as other manufacturs.
  • 2 2
 @blowmyfuse: ...so is my cell phone I need to call my family garbage? Are the bike shorts I have that were made in Asia that have lasted 5 years garbage? Kitsbow still relies on others for fabrics, machinery, etc.
  • 4 0
 @foggnm: its not about giving up on all the things we have and love, it's about reassessing what those things are worth - economically, socially and environmentally. I'm not calling for ceasing trade with China, but rather accounting for the other factors in trade that we currently ignore.
  • 1 0
 @femto505: And not saying domestic production isn't good. Just saying domestic product is still subject to the same supply issues as international products. And also just objecting to the whole virtue signaling of "asia=sweatshop=garbage." I have bought several pieces of USA made bike apparel in the past two years and it is definitely not of the quality of asian or european made apparel, unfortunately. But if Kitsbow makes awesome shorts that have longer inseams (13+ in).... I'll be happy to buy a pair for $200.
  • 15 1
 @foggnm: I can't type enough to not offend.

To clarify and spell out specifically, baubles, trinkets, disposable crap . Anything cheap, tiny, novelty, gadgety, shiny, plastic and so on down the line we don't need.

You own a fidget spinner or a cheetah print sparkle phone case or one of the 7000 different variations of a pen with a company logo on it? Maybe a stress ball from State Farm? A plastic key chain twistie with a bank name?

I've got a half dozen novelty letter openers around my house. Potato chip bag clips of every shape and size. Kids have plastic sunglasses with every color and shape of princess or hero on them that you can't see out of. Sunglass clips for the visor of your car. Gift shops that line every end of town with millions of coffiee mugs and crappy novelty gifts. Claires Boutique?

Did I list anything you need in there?
  • 1 0
 @Weens: Voler doesn’t even compare to Kitsbow…they make run of the mill stuff. I used to buy direct from them for years.
  • 1 0
 @Ryanrobinson1984: why not?
It's not rocket science (no disrespect to logistics managers, planners, and technicians).
  • 5 1
 @blowmyfuse: I fully endorse your rant.
  • 4 0
 Absolutely true but paying so much more for individual items will hopefully mean a move away from disposable-consumerism and people get more longevity from quality products and fix stuff not bin stuff when it breaks. IE like life before 1980's
  • 1 0
 Tech tees marked up 20% or more and marketed as somehow mountain bike specific are a total farce, but quality shorts are worth every penny if you’re willing to repair them every once in a while and keep them for years and years.
  • 1 1
 @blowmyfuse: I agree, I dont see many people rocking Kitsbow either. I mean it is very nice stuff and if I could justify it I would own it.

They now share a building with a new brewery and that place is AWESOME!
  • 3 2
 @blowmyfuse: I "need" a plastic spatula. I "need" small plastic parts for my bike. I "need" reusable coffee mugs to carry my drinks in the morning. That's my point. Low cost items aren't garbage and are arguably needed. If you want to go out and make your chainrings out of recycled lumber, more power to you. But using pejoratives to describe low cost items as if they are somehow morally beneath our consideration.....well it is stinky. This is not 1890, it is 2021. And no one makes you pick up tchotchkes. I turn down stuff like that. In fact, I even turn down print outs people offer me at work and say "I have the electronic copy." But just because you are "above" owning crap, doesn't mean that the rest of us need to be shamed about it. And I'm not making fun of anyone or you. Being sensitive to the 'junk' we accumulate is just smart living. But calling out anything made in another country as sweatshop crap is painting broad strokes. It is like people saying a plastic bag at the grocery store is a sea-life trap. No it is a plastic bag that safely transports goods from the store to home. And if proper disposal happens it shouldn't be considered a tragedy of nuclear proportions. People get too caught up in the little things so much that they miss the big picture. It is like someone telling me to drive a Prius when I rode my bike to work for 10 years. I know you are more referring to the 'dollar store' phenomena, but the original posting just was about overseas stuff somehow being morally reprehensible.....to which I disagree.
  • 1 0
 @blowmyfuse: great points, they made good business Decisions to take the tax breaks. Tell your representatives you don’t want that happening again. I think they walk the environment walk much better than Patagonia. Patagonia talks about a small footprint, and don’t buy more than you need, but sends 4 marketing emails a week. Speaking of Patagonia, aren’t their shorts $150 made in a communist country …?
  • 3 0
 Everyone seems to be comparing to "other" factories/brands making shorts in North America, but to these other brands sell S/M/L cookie cutter sizes, or are they making a tailored fit like the featured brand here, made to order to YOUR sizing? Meaning if you have a body that isn't quite the "norm", i.e. you are super tall and skinny, short and stout, bug butt with skinny legs or massive quads with a skinny behind, the Kitsbow may be offering something the others are not - and there is value in that. Buying something that you know will fit perfectly is kind of nice, especially if you yourself are an odd size, not out of come cookie cutter mold.
  • 2 0
 @Weens: Will Voler make custom sizes for you? Because surely that increases manufacturing time, cost, and complexity.
  • 1 1
 @blowmyfuse: offer a solution instead of complaining. Let’s evaluate if your solution is feasible in reality lol.
  • 1 0
 @muscogeemasher: In the case of Kitsbow, they'll literally repair them for you to keep them going. Whatever magic they threw in their ventilated T is pure cooling witchcraft.
  • 2 1
 @blowmyfuse: agree 100%.
  • 1 0
 I don't have any love for China or sweatshops. However, everyone here needs to read up on the "sweatshop fallacy" to understand the economics at play a bit better.
  • 60 0
 Y'all, kitsbow is the first manufacturing facility built in old fort in years. The prices are high because they make custom garments, run a great facility and pay their workers well. I personally benefit from them being in town and i don't work for them. I can also tell you that the guys i know who have the expensive kitsbow stuff love it. They use good materials and they set up a ride house for all of us riders to hang out outside their factory. You dont have to buy anything to hang out there and they have tons of healthy options if you need something to eat or drink. It IS super expensive, BUT you are paying for the factory workers to drive dependable trucks feed themselves and their families something better than spam AND you are receiving a custom, made to order garment from nice textiles and materials. Want to watch them make it? Head on down to old fort, refill your water bottle from their free refill station and look through the huge windows at the employees working at a great job making really nice bespoke equipment one by one with care in a clean, well lit and genuinely nice facility. This place is a huge part of the riding community here in old fort and our town was straight up dying after the ethan allen plant left a few years ago.
  • 7 0
 They’re also supporting the G5 Collective with trail work, providing space (and snacks) for a CCNC youth crew, etc! I was just in Old Fort this morning and they hooked me up with a muffin and some coffee before we got to work :,) So excited about the revitalization of the town via trails and bikes.
  • 3 0
 Old Fort has needed some love. I think it’s great that Kitsbow took a chance there and hopefully others will follow. I haven’t checked but I’d bet housing costs are much lower than up the mountain.
  • 1 1
 @TheBlueBear any idea how many people who live and reside in Old Fort prior to the company moving there actually work at Kitsbow?

I've not met a single local. Just wondering. Seems more like Asheville folks are driving down there.
  • 3 0
 @blowmyfuse: tap into the G5 trail collective and you will meet locals
  • 2 1
 @Edwe1rd: that work at the Kitsbow factory who were born and raised in Old Fort? P.G.? Sugar Hill? Montford Cove? Bat Cave?
  • 4 0
 @blowmyfuse: That's a great question. I bet if you reach out to kitsbow you'll be able to find the answer. How much time have you spent in this area? The furniture industry, logging and other manufacturing facilities in old fort have been where the jobs existed historically. The industries have changed over so much there's not much furniture production happening anymore and most of the ancillary jobs left town with them. We do now have ONE garment factory and it's called Kitsbow. The town is mostly very poor financially. You'll have a hard time finding a lifelong local in this area at all these days for a few reasons: they don't typically go to the tourist things that out of state MTB folks are into and they're probably not going to invite you to the hunt, the secret fishing spot or other things they would rather not invite a tourist to do. If you came to our rodeo or carnival in the past 2 weeks you would have found more of our lifelong local population. You won't likely find a lot of our locals out for a $7 beer at hillman or ordering a vegan sandwich at the ridehouse and you darn sure won't fins folks born and raised in old fort hanging out in asheville. However, the mtb and tourism industries have the potential to bring some jobs back to folks in old fort. Kitsbow may not be the solution for all, but they are ONE company who are helping get the ball rolling to bring jobs back to our town, weather the employee is a lifelong local or not.
  • 2 1
 @TheBlueBear: I am local to Old Fort. Born and raised in McDowell.

I'm not arguing. I literally just like to know who actually is going to work there who is from the area. Tourist money is all they are attracting and work in the tourism industry is low paying. Ethan Allen, Collins & Aikmen, etc were not tourism based and put the most money into the economy.

When you cater to the rich as your community's backbone, you don't set the locals up for long term economic success. They become waiters and janitors. Tourism doesn't preserve any local heritage. It supplants it with the beliefs, values & ethics of the people who drop in and dictate what they want FROM the community.

Would be nice to see communities in our area not sell their integrity to tourism.
  • 2 0
 @blowmyfuse: Your profile says you're from NoDak so I figured you were from there. No argument here either, this is a conversation between neighbors. Kitsbow is a manufacturing plant. Albeit small with a small staff but it is providing mfg. Jobs which old fort hasn't had in years. I hear you about catering to wealthy tourists but we are also talking about a town that couldn't keep the dollar general open. The area has also historically been a tourist zone too, the old Mitchell toll road started down here and old fort was the gateway to the mountains. Tourists would come by train or by car and stopped here on their way up to the mountains just like they're starting to again now. Andrews geyser and the picnic area at the bottom of kitsuma are here from that time. Tourism provides more jobs than Just working directly with tourists and the industry typically enables other businesses and tradespeople to operate too. You can't wire a factory without an electrician, operate a fleet of vehicles without a mechanic, operate a machine shop without machinists etc. I hear what you're saying about our community becoming waiters and janitors but if there's currently 0 options and even just those 2 opportunities arose wouldn't you think that's at least a little bit better? There were custodians at the old plants and there weren't any serving jobs because there weren't enough people coming through town to support a restaurant. I'd rather my neighbor have the opportunity to get a job than be stuck on the gov't checks so their kids could have a future and work for a local business or maybe even start their own businesses because of the opportunity created. I also see the downside: people.
  • 1 1
 @blowmyfuse: wait so you’re just jealous of people who can afford kitsbow? That’s what it sounds like
  • 1 2
 @SterlingArcher: All you do is comment on my comments stalker. You don't actually have any other thoughts in your head except on a daily basis other than "let me find blowmyfuse in a thread...and comment to me directly. You're insane. Go away. You're creepy.
  • 2 1
 @TheBlueBear: yeah. Grandmother worked at Parker Hosiery at one point. Neighbors at C&A. Just trying to provide the cautionary side of not selling out to tourism.

I understand what you're saying. Beer
  • 1 0
 @blowmyfuse: anti big business and asking for handouts - you’re starting to sound like a Democrat!!! Beer
  • 1 1
 @SterlingArcher: go the frick away. You follow me to every thread. You're a loser with nothing to contribute.

Every post you hate on someone.

@pinkbikeaudience seriously this is getting too old.
  • 1 1
 @blowmyfuse: LOL this is a public forum. Why are you trying to violate my free speech? Seems hypocritical Big Grin
  • 1 0
 > The prices are high because they make custom garments

What is custom about this short? I went to their site, I can select colour and waist size in steps of 2 inches and two variation of inseam length. This is the opposite of the custom fit. My local H&M have trousers with more "custom fit" options then this.

And from what I can see - there is no system to micro adjust the waist (for example velcro on the left and right side). This makes them completely unusable - unless one wants to wear a belt on the cycling shorts - which I don't want to.
  • 22 0
 Everyone wants US made. Until they see the price tag.
  • 10 0
 Yup, we took ourselves out of the game and china sits there laughing it up.
  • 7 4
 @jrocksdh: and we pay extra now in tariffs because "it aint made in USA" (something only needs to be 60%made here to be considered). Thanks conservatives!
  • 9 1
 @Edwe1rd: you mean thank you politicians. If you think a party decided that and not corporate lobbyist, you'd be fooling yourself.
  • 3 0
 @TrailFeatures Yup! Also, everyone wants to stop immigration until they can’t find workers for the crappy wages they are willing to pay.
  • 2 0
 Price of Asian good will keep rising - even if ONLY from Shipping costs. Eventually we might get back to pricing that prices in the insanely inefficient supply chain shitshow we have now. Made in the USA is NOT about nationalism for me - I could care less about that childish shit. Made in North America matters because this container ship shitshow needs to chill.
  • 2 2
 @whambat: ah yes the wage and gov welfare issue. Take away welfare(or go back to Clinton era policy) whilst also giving workers choice to work more(overtime) then the worker will have more opportunities to gain wealth....just as so many did way back before Big Labor(laws).
Min wage/OT/unions(prev. Wages).
Liberty=choice to work 20 hours a day if I want. Employers wont offer now bc too much OT costs so they have more employees or reduced hours of operation.
  • 4 0
 @jrocksdh: sounds like you hate weekends.

and the Liberty to NOT work 12 hour days and still be able to survive

both to you brought by Unions

(no unions are not perfect but shitting on "big labor" while enjoying a weekend and spouting off about liberty is just uneducated)
  • 4 0
 @jrocksdh: the government has done more welfare for corporations that the workers. The main reason the fed has driven up interest rates over history is to prevent full employment and wage inflation, thereby keeping labor costs low for corporations. Historically, the fed would rather risk causing recessions than let labor costs go up too much.

Yes, some unions got too strong over the years, but they also created the middle class, a reasonable work week, and are the only reason that workers like firefighters, cops, and teachers make a living wage.
  • 2 0
 @dontcoast: actually, I'm pretty well read on economics. A fav author being thomas Sowell. Hayek is another. Weekends..? I average 50-60 hours a week. Not many days off as I'd rather earn more now for later.
Agreed, corporate bailouts and no bid contracts etc is crony capitalism.
That said, majority of my jobs have come from some form of corporation, the rest being rich and risk taking sole proprietors.
  • 3 1
 Wal-Mart & Amazon with record profits and average employee wages that force the employees to accept welfare and medicaid & low income housing and then those same employees get taxed to cover those subsidization programs while Amazon's Bezos & Wal-Mart pay almost zero tax.

As long as the corporations control the tax code, the impoverished will always pay themselves back off their own crumbs while the mega-rich pay zero tax.
  • 2 0
 @blowmyfuse: they dont pay what kind of tax? Income? Cap gains?
"Forced the employees to accept welfare"...speech and debate class 101.
Crony capitalist(chamber of commerce) are bad players as well as so many career politicians getting rich from servicing tax payers.
Term limits and reform tax code(flat or fair tax) are strong ideas.
  • 19 0
 The cut of the shorts pictured is "bike messenger" , could also pass for "barista".
  • 20 0
 That naked ride ain't looking so bad right now...
  • 17 3
 Beware the high cost of low prices.
  • 10 7
 Beware the high cost of high prices.
  • 4 0
 Beware of the high cost of repairs when your cyclist sized calves rip through those tiny leg openings.
  • 1 0
 @silkyrhino: At the risk of defending the Rapha of MTB, I have huge calves and Kitsbow shorts work fine for me. They are very durable and well made. As for value, I only buy on sale, so I've felt it was worth it. Problem is this JIT production results in fewer sales for cheapskates like me.
  • 1 0
 @WasatchEnduro: bust out the sewing machine? :.)
  • 8 0
 Custom made, but not even odd numbered waist sizes, and no cinch straps? I don’t want to add a belt to my mtb attire! You’d think the whole point of custom made would be to jet you specify your exact waist size at least down to the inch if not half inch.
  • 1 0
 Yeah good points and I noticed this as well. They do look pretty sweet though.
  • 1 0
 Favorite jerseys I've ever worn, but two months?! Like they traveled by wagon train.
  • 13 2
 Rapha starts making MTB kits.

Kitsbow: Hold my craft beer.
  • 6 0
 A better example is the very trendy NF Dh pants being $60 usd more than the equivalent Troy Lee pant. That's a price for quality and transparencyI can live with.
  • 4 0
 Yep agreed. The NF pants are not cheap but they aren't that much more than other riding pants made overseas (and they happen to be fantastic). I guess they aren't made to order but they never seem to have stock so its not like they are producing a ton of waste with overstock.
  • 4 0
 Like other supremely conditioned athletes, I have a hard time finding shorts that fit my wafer thin washboard waist but also my awesomely powerfully- built buttocks and thighs. I've had to take in my waistbands of shorts, bar-tacking waistbands and moving clips etc. I want this.
  • 3 0
 Username checks out
  • 7 0
 Their price may fall short of expectations.
  • 8 3
 Snaps that will pop open instead of buttons? Hand pockets that will hold nothing while riding?? And only $195??? Sign me up!
  • 4 0
 The outer snap actually isn't a snap, though you can't see it the way Pinkbike cropped it. The outer snap goes on and slides into a locking position, it's proven very secure on my Mescal shorts, and the same design works well on Velocio's offerings.
  • 6 0
 Will they monogram w/ my family coat of arms to match my Coach luggage and Egyptian cotton linens?
  • 3 0
 If you ask nicely they just might.
  • 3 1
 The shorts are "Made in the USA", where is the material from? If it's American produced material, sourced raw materials exclusively from the USA and people are being paid a living wage than it's acceptable......So what's the answer?
  • 3 0
 Not sure where the fabric for these shorts is sourced, but the Icon shirt is made from Pendleton Wool sourced in Oregon.
  • 2 0
 @jmusuperman: I respect that. Appreciate the info.
  • 1 0
 @jarretthelesic: No problem. Check your PM's.
  • 2 0
 I hate when none of the pics are of someone just standing in the shorts. It’s hard to find shorts that aren’t super baggy! NF and some of Club Ride are only companies I found that make shorts that don’t fit horribly baggy.
  • 1 0
 > It’s hard to find shorts that aren’t super baggy!

This ones are not baggy: www.bike24.com/p2325499.html . And they have perfect waist adjustment system for mtb: velcros on the left and right side are connected on the back with elastic material.
  • 4 0
 "We're making every garment to your size, color preference, and length"
But I don't want 8 or 11" length and so how is that to my preference? I want a 13"-14" inseam.
  • 2 0
 Yep. They're not offering nearly enough options to take advantage of their model. Need to be offering odd waist sizes and trim and relaxed fits. I've got two pair of what is now the mescal that I love and that have lasted forever. But, I had to go with a waist size that is too big to get them to fit in the seat and legs, and I'm not some crossfitter cranking out huge deadlifts and squats.
  • 2 0
 I can't find any sort of fit charts or measurements for these shorts. Leg opening looks tight, can this be customized? I love the idea of custom made because it's so hard to find perfect fitting shorts, but this seems more like ordering a regular pair of shorts then waiting for them to be made. What am I missing here?
  • 2 0
 We also have to address that fashion is the second biggest pollutant after fossil fuels, I hope the higher price, quality and work conditions make us appreciate what we own a little more. Happy to pay more as you get more and as they have said about this is custom. A great pair of shorts will last you years, if they rip patch them it’s all a great story!
  • 1 0
 Love my Kitsbow shorts. I own two pairs of the AM ventilated shorts (I think called Mezcal now) that I purchased 7 years ago. I've worn each at least once a week riding since then, crashed in both more times than I can count. They're a little faded from the wash but both pairs are still going strong without even a single loose thread. Compare to Fox or other shorts I've owned in this same time frame that have died after 1-2 years...
  • 1 0
 Forgive me if I missed this comment earlier or in another thread, but this debate over expensive products and factors like origin, environmental footprint, and value has failed to take the lack of truly large-scale production into account. You can get a pair of Levis on their website (with a holiday or other discount) for about $55. They even stretch! The reason is mostly due to the economy of scale they have achieved. The solution for lowering prices seems to be to get tens of millions more riders shredding out on the trails.

Oh wait, that sounds like a crappy idea... Forget I said anything.
  • 1 0
 ERROR: "Going a step beyond 'Made in the USA,' Kitsbow is the only U.S. outdoor apparel company, as far as we can find, to use so-called 'lean manufacturing,' making each item specifically for the customer."

CORRECTION: Brandt-Sorenson apparel has been making high quality, well-fitting, made-to-measure custom cycling kits for well over a decade. They are a small, boutique athletic apparel brand based in Los Angeles, USA. Check their "sustainability" website tab, where they verify that absolutely ZERO forced labor, human trafficking or indentured servitude occurs in the construction of their clothing. These products are long lasting and durable, and all of my beloved, comfortable pieces have greatly outlived anything else I've worn by other expensive and "quality" brands on the market, often mass-produced overseas.
  • 1 0
 If clothing manufacturing comes back to the states and prices triple, as these shorts suggest, the market is going to need to start paying people a lot more lest we all just run around in a our underwear because we can't afford to buy clothing at $100+ per article.
  • 9 5
 Annnddd que the "I ain't paying $x for x" comments
  • 4 1
 For $200 I would have expected a hell of a lot more options than just waist size
  • 2 0
 Good on Kitsbow! Have a pair of their Origin shorts and they're fantastic. Great cut and fabric. I've had them for 2 years and still going strong.
  • 3 0
 I'll buy them but only if they are sewen with micro brewed hipster beard hair
  • 2 0
 I have a bunch of Kitsbow stuff, love it. Had a few issues with sizing and returns were amazingly easy and chatting with a live person to help even more was even better.
  • 7 4
 My god you could get a bike for the price of those
  • 3 2
 Yup, probably from an enemy state.
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 Maybe 20 years ago. Inflation would like a word with you about those prices now though.
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 I foresee a comeback in trendiness for user-made jorts. It will be the next thing the hipsters will sport.
  • 6 0
 Comeback implies some of us stopped wearing jorts.
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 @Rigidjunkie: I miss jorts....
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 @Rigidjunkie: There are dozens of us
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 Think he's talking about a comeback in states other than Florida.
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 @PTyliszczak: nevernudes are people too!
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 Merino is the best riding technical layer. I’ve been rocking icebreaker as riding gear for years. So the price point is meh…these work as well.
  • 1 2
 A good look at the Kitsbow offerings tells me they're targeting the "Dentist" crowd, the same crowd that buys Fjallraven, and Arcteryx. Though shalt have a $200k+ household income to afford regular purchase of such gear...easy if you're a doctor or have two working professionals in the house making $80k+ each.
  • 1 0
 What is so expensive about this? The fox shorts I own cost the same amount and they are still too short. Tall person problems...
  • 1 0
 I've got tld shorts that I paid 70 canadian for, warn them for 3 years and thanks to the strapoy waist bit they still for even though I gain 20lbs haha.
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 I ain't paying $195 for shorts
  • 30 4
 Then you aint getting no shorts.
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 Not a bib wearer I see
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 @porkchopsandwich: Made my day.
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 @porkchopsandwich: cut my pants. checkmate
  • 1 1
 @Themissinglink83: i need a bib to catch the food that falls out of my mouth while i kick and scream in my hi-chair
  • 2 1
 These sewing people from NC must be more experienced than the mighty fine people from the Indian Ocean
  • 3 1
 Can I get them in Turquoise? You know, to match my Yeti….
  • 1 0
 drab only
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 Probably be wise to size down when ordering, considering the meals skipped in order to afford these shorts.
  • 1 1
 Made to order shorts would be fresh and delicious. Plus make my e-bike faster on the tarmac with the wider bars
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 If you have legs like a fullback, I’m guessing these won’t fit?
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 I love how everyone thinks "made in USA" means better quality lmao. Sure its great to support local but the quality isn't any better then products made over seas.
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 I absolutely LOVE Amazon and Walmart !!!
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