It all started 30 years ago with a hardtail. We think it’s fitting that we continue to innovate what a hardtail can be. The Honzo changed the game for modern hardtails when it came out. Over the years it’s been refined and tweaked. All of the things that you expect from the original Honzo have been preserved in the Big Honzo, with some added flexibility. The Big Honzo allows you to run up to a 27.5 x 3.0 or 2.6 x 29 tire, has 130mm of front suspension, and comes in 3 frame materials (carbon, aluminum or steel). This is the bike for people who demand a flexible setup for rallying their local trails one day and loading up for a multi-day bike packing trip the next. The original Honzo was ahead of its time. The Big Honzo has arrived just in time.
The Big Honzo MSRP is US $1699 / CAD $1899, the Big Honzo DL is US $2099 / CAD $2699, The Big Honzo ST is US $2399 / CAD $2999, the Big Honzo CR is US $2999 / CAD $3799 and the Big Honzo CR DL is US $3999 / CAD $4799. Find your local dealer on Konaworld.com.
The top of the heap. The Big Honzo carbon deluxe is our premium Big Honzo. Lighter than steel, more responsive than aluminum, the CR/DL gives a dialed ride feel and saves a little weight. The carbon Big Honzos are also the only Big Honzos with two bottle cage mounts. RockShox Pike RC, SRAM GX Eagle drivetrain, and RockShox Reverb dropper post all come stock.
2019 Big Honzo CR
Sporting the same carbon frame as the CR DL, the Big Honzo CR comes stock with a RockShox Revelation RC fork, SRAM NX Eagle drivetrain, SRAM Guide T brakes, and a RockShox Reverb dropper.
2019 Big Honzo ST
We had to make one in steel. Long-praised for its ride feel and longevity, the steel Big Honzo brings together all of our favorite things about the Honzo lineup, including adjustable dropouts. The Big Honzo ST comes stock with a RockShox Revelation RC fork, SRAM NX drivetrain and Guide T Brakes, and a RockShox Reverb dropper.
2019 Big Honzo DL
Want a Big Honzo but don’t need to spend the money on carbon, or don’t need the adjustable dropouts of the steel version? The Big Honzo DL hits the sweet spot in performance versus price. It comes stock with a RockShox Sektor RL fork, SRAM NX drivetrain, and a Trans-X dropper.
2019 Big Honzo
With a similar frame as the Big Honzo DL, the base level Big Honzo has a more economical build but still sports a RockShox Recon RL fork, SRAM NX drivetrain, and a Trans-X dropper post.
Ride a hardcore hardtail sometime. A carbon one could easily come in ag 3-4lbs less than a similar priced squish bike. With big tires, wide bars, and dropper posts coupled with modern slack geo and you’d be surprised how fast you are on one over your squish.
Initially I got excited - $2400 for a steel hardtail, that's perfect! Scrolled down, saw the Revelation, Guide Ts (seriously?) and NX suspension and immediately scrolled down to the comments. Why even bother with this build? Put some better brakes, GX, and a Pike, and I'll consider this bike - hell, I'll even spend a bit more for it.
Santa Cruz Chameleon with GX, but shittier brakes (Level T), and aluminium only frame option is $4,300 (CAD), so what's your point? All bikes are getting pricey these days...
@snowwcold55: I suspect they put a basically throwaway build on this bike on purpose, because they know their market. You've only been able to get a steel honzo as frame only for a long time, because most people have a specific idea of what they want built around that frame. They don't want to carry four or five builds of a steel honzo, then they'd have to do the same for the carbon and aluminum what a nightmare.
@snowwcold55: At least the Revelation has the exact same chassis and stanchions as on the Pike these days so it's hardly an utterly useless fork worth ignoring.
@whoopsy - I totally agree. I've looked at the Honzo for quite a while and even their previous year models are way overpriced. Plus they only discount the older bikes $3-500. I'll pass.
Kona has gone off the deep end with their pricing for awhile now. Certainly doesn't offer the value that many of us use to know them for. My 05' Stinkey was my last Kona
@juansevo: No one's disputing the merits of a hardtail, but a normal hardtail shouldn't cost more than a FS bike that includes a rear shock, linkage(s)+pivots, more R&D into the frame, and possibly the cost of licensing the suspension patent. One of the main advantages of a hardtail is supposed to be cost.
Personally I think Kona has lost its way. They've decided to eschew innovation and invest in a fancy paint job and inflated price instead.
@pinhead907: or what about a Nukeproof Scout or Commencal Meta HT. Both have similar specs and cost like half the price (okay, they are aluminium, but still).
Came here to post this. Hilariously overpriced and throwing GX on your top flight carbon model (while bragging about saving weight with carbon frame) is just hilarious.
Either pay a bit less and get a Jeffsy CF, full suspension with BETTER build kit or spend 45% LESS ($2,599CAD) on a Commencal Meta HT AM Race 29 2019 with Lyrik, Guide T/Eagle NX, slightly worse build but over $2k less money.
@rezrov: agreed. and they lengthened their chainstays to 430mm. they are now just copying the brands that used to copy them. the only thing semi unique anymore is the reach - there aren't many brands doing 475mm reach on a large. transition only makes expensive carbon hardtails or I would go with them, but I want aluminum
@danvdan: overseas support? I don't know, the YT guys are local here in socal and available if you need questions answered, although I've never needed to interface with any frame mfg in all of my years...
We're talking about thousands of dollars in savings...
@nvranka: I'm with nvranka. Although, YT is all the way up in Orange County. I haven't left San Diego in months. Not sure I can deal. But really, last time I had my local shop help with warranty work, it was totally frustrating and left me pretty PO'd, and I didn't have my bike for ~3 weeks.
I don't have an online bike, so I'm not sure they're any better - but my local dealer hasn't done anything to convince me that it's worth paying extra for their service. And you know, I want bike shops to survive - but they gotta go the extra mile these days. Like nvranka says, you'll save at least a grand to buy online. And if the local shop freakin' frustrates you rather than enhances the experience, why not save the money?
I’m actually getting really tired of the “this bike shop bike costs so much more than a bike direct brand.” Yeah, we get it YT and others are cheaper. Compare it to other shop brands and it’s right in line price wise.
@whambat: why do we have to compare it to other shop brands? they are all competing, and online brands offer a better value unless you're looking for something very specific.
i say this as a big fan of kona and someone who owns zero online brand bikes, btw. but kona is getting less and less compelling as they have less and less unique geo
@whambat: Even compared to other shop brands some hardcore hardtails are weirdly priced when you can get more and more affordable full sussers. You don't have to look too far, check out e.g. Norco's pricing.
As someone said above, this is not to undermine the ride quality of a good hardtail, but unless it's some titanium boutique piece of hand-made jewellery from an old, bearded welder's shed, a similarly specced HT should be cheaper than its FS counterparts.
@juansevo: I love my hardtail and my full suspension bikes but I don't think we should be paying for speed. A hardtail is less expensive to manufacture and should cost less to buy.
Its nice for tyre clearance really. But there is a point where your shoes are touching the seatstay when pedaling. Ive got those chainstay protectors all over the rear end of the bike for that reason.
@mtb-journal: Sorry, that was unclear. I was talking about the steel version of the Honzo. The Honzo was always available in Europe, but the ST wasn’t.
@FuzzyL: Steel was frame only. Seen a few in UK. But ordering and actually getting something off kona Europe is a Knightmare. Its like there run by polaticians. Very bad polaticians. Whatever date/info they give you is a lie
Would really like to see a shootout / comparison between this and the Transition Throttle. Throttle has 66 deg HT angle and designed around 2.6" tires vs the 2.8. Having said that... the Maxxis 2.8" seem to measure closer to 2.65" (casing and tread) when mounted up to 45mm inner width rims.
I feel this is more dialed for general trail riding. I think some the other HT out there are pushing the enduro/freeride envelope. We are seeing more and more HT with 65/66 head angles. Great for going down...but not sure great going up. Remember HT is more often the first step into MTB and I think this is a great all-round starter bike (except for the price). The newer euduro/freeride HT are more novelty and nostalgia purchase. I.e. I can shred it, now lets get back to basics and make it more challenging type purchase.
Give your head a shake. The OLD revelation was a damned solid fork, and the new one is supposed to be better than the pike from just about everyone I've talked to that has tried it. No, it's not the fanciest model of course. Guess what? Most don't need all the extra settings, and not having them doesn't mean the fork is shit. What a load of crap.
@waywardtraveller: I have the old revelation on a bike now, and it is nowhere near stiff enough (it is 150mm with 32mm stanchions). I'd be curious to try out fatter stanchions on the new one, but as of right now, would happily take just about anything with 34mm+ stanchions simply for the stiffness, including a pike. Especially if I have a steel hardtail with a dropper and slack head angle? That's a bike begging to be abused, and a stiff fork would help soooo much for that.
Did they take last years "big Kahuna" and just change the sticker for the low cost Big Honzo? Seems like it, and it's a good idea. Big Honzo's are awesome bikes. Figuring out how to get them at lower price points is great.
I do wish they would have done some kind of flip chip so they could span 27.5 x 2.6 all the way to 29 x 2.6. IMO that's what all frames should strive for. Versatility and user preference...
Everyone seems to be bitching about the cost. But the Big Honzo DL has gotten lower priced every year since they released. Sure they have lost a little in spec in doing so, but nothing that will ruin the bike IMO. And they pretty much had to lower the spec on it so they could bring in the carbon frame version and have a price point/value choice that makes sense...
I think 2.8's are perfect on hardtails and the grip is still really nice on low/mid travel suspension bikes too IMO. I think more people would ride "PLUS" bikes if they chose by what they would most benefit what they ride most of the time. Instead of whats "new" or what the cool guys are talking about at the trail head... (I'm totally guilty of buying bikes based on those two criteria)
HT is great as a first bike if you can’t afford a fully, and it’s a great second bike when you have a fully. However in the latter scenario I’d recommend a trail cyclable DJ bike that can be used mainly on jumps and pumptracks and buying a Honzo as a third bike... summed up: buy a hardtail.
The bikes have some nice paint jobs... decent setups... but are a little high in price... plus really... I love hard tails as much as the next guy... But I have yet to ride one as long and hard I do my FS.... but then again... we have nothing but rocks in the desert.. On manicured trails these would be ideal... with a couple big hits here and there..
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Tried frame only last year and no luck. Was told they do very few frame only. I like building my bikes not buying one complete and selling most of the parts I don't want.
Recently I've been thinking about replacing my Fs but I have a steel hard tail with 2.8 tires and 68 degree HA and that's the bike I always want to ride, it's so good. The Honzo is a great looking bike and I want one now, in fact I did already.
I bought a Honzo this spring, and I love the geometry, but I guess I'm a wuss cause I just can't do the hardtail thing anymore on anything other than the smoothest trails. I think I'm going to sell it and get a Hei Hei instead.
@coachvernon: Funny, exact opposite. Been riding FS for 10 years, got a modern HT in December. I've never had more fun, or ridden faster, or farther, or with less maintenance. I've tried to pull out my FS a couple times this year and though it's a great bike, I just don't want to ride it.
I've had my Steel Frame Honzo going on 4 years now. Still ride the Honzo all the time with a SB5.5 also in the stable. I find the Honzo is great to train with since you can put a ton of hours on it with minimal maintenance. That's what sold my on the Honzo and keeps me coming back to it.
Not sure if many would agree, but I find riding the hardtail teaches me on making better line choices so when I jump on the FS bike, I'm just that much smoother.
I was super excited when I saw that Kona was releasing a new Honzo. Then I looked at the geometry chart. I need to run an XL to get over 1200mm wheelbase. In fact the XL is the same wheelbase as my size medium Whyte G-160 or even Whyte 905. Why is it soooo hard to find a hardtail with forward geometry? It would be great if a company like Kona would modernize their geometry and make and aggressive forward geo 29er affordable. I'd really appreciate it.
I was taken in by the word order in '27.5 x 3.0 or 2.6 x 29 tire' and I first read it as OMG it takes 26" wheel can only blame myself for skim reading! lesson learned... although probably not!
No no no, you always read tire diameter first, then width. This bike can take a 27.5" dia x 3" wide tire, or a 2.6" dia x 29" wide tire. Imagine the stability!
I'd rather have this plus it's quite a bit cheaper compared to the Honzo carbon.https://spotbrand.com/collections/mountain-bikes/products/rocker-geared-29?variant=7331654860834
When I saw this I thought - wow, finally a 29er hardtail with a really low bottom bracket. Then I saw the head angle - 68 degrees? WFT? Its steeper than some XC hardtails....
Jump on it and ride it, then have talk about HA. I've got a 2016 honzo st (pre big honzo) it had a 68 degree ha, 120mm fork. It was a ripper of a bike (still have it and use it Kore over my fs) I increased the travel to 140, so in theory increased ha to 67. It became even more of a weapon. Didn't lose any climbing ability. Kona has nailed the honzo range - it is the do it all hardtail, especially in steel. Peace.
i have a 2015 chromag rootdown and love the fact that it is steeper and twitchier than my slacked out Banshee phantom. thats a big part of what makes hardtails fun.
Remember that 68 on a hardtail is more like 69 when sagged. I feel it's a limiting number on this bike, otherwise it's REALLY capable. I put a -2 headset on mine and now it's perfect for assing around!
@tigerteeuwen: got all excited about the norco torrent, then saw that it's not boost spaced (already have the boost wheelset) and that it uses a 72 degree STA and a full inch shorter reach than the honzo
@tigerteeuwen: Ok, thanks for clarification. Never dug so far, Norco just states that it's made for 27+.
Big Honzo also is a plus bike, it can take big wheels too but the regular Honzo has a 10mm lower BB for those. And it takes 29x2.6 tires, even the old one with super short stays.
@IluvRIDING: I used to be super concerned about bike weight. But more and more I've come to realize that it makes very little difference if a bike is a couple of pounds heavier than another. When the bike's weight is less than 15% of the total rider/bike package for an average person, shaving another 3 lbs is about 1.5% of the total package. Dropping 3lbs from the wheels makes a huge difference, dropping 3lbs on the frame of a bike is pretty negligible.
68 degrees is fine for a trail bike, it's not going to be aggressive for anything more than that. It is what it is. My hardtail (Dartmoor hornet) has a 65 deg head angle and 160mm travel and is dèfo towards the all mountain enduro end of the spectrum
@mgrantorser: Nothing to do with the trade war and everything to do with the fact that the majority of cyclists enjoy being fleeced by bike mfg's because it makes them 'feel' better when they have to max out their credit cards and remortgage their homes to buy that shiny new bestest of the bestest bicycle.
It's not anything new. It's just becoming more & more rampant in the cycling industry. I ditched RCs & PCs because of it. If the cycling industry continues to trend that way I'll give them the bird too.
Too bad they don't offer buyers the choice of it coming with a 29er wheelset. Santa Cruz does that with their Chameleon and I've heard both wheelsets sell really well. It's not hard to option a bike that way and without the options they're going to miss out on some buyers that don't want the plus wheels
They look pretty good, especially the carbon one. The steel looks a bit...I don't know, off. I think it has to do with the head angle which is silly steep for this type of bike (67.5°).
Also, I thought we had unanimously decided that press-fit BBs suck. But still they managed to cram one on the carbon bike.
@Poulsbojohnny: Pressfit BB in my Process CR/DL is fine after a full season of riding so far. Looking at the pics it's pretty obvious it was impacted as the broken shell has been displaced backwards. Something hit the crank while riding pushing the crank/bb towards the backwheel causing the breakage.
@Poulsbojohnny: As above, rider has clearly hit something HARD with his drive-side crank. Nothing to do with the fact that it's a press-fit, and I've certainly never heard of such a defect being a common occurrence.
Personally I think Kona has lost its way. They've decided to eschew innovation and invest in a fancy paint job and inflated price instead.
Either pay a bit less and get a Jeffsy CF, full suspension with BETTER build kit or spend 45% LESS ($2,599CAD) on a Commencal Meta HT AM Race 29 2019 with Lyrik, Guide T/Eagle NX, slightly worse build but over $2k less money.
1200$ fork
800$ drivetrain
500$ wheels & tires
200$ brakes
......... Sh.. costs money
We're talking about thousands of dollars in savings...
I don't have an online bike, so I'm not sure they're any better - but my local dealer hasn't done anything to convince me that it's worth paying extra for their service. And you know, I want bike shops to survive - but they gotta go the extra mile these days. Like nvranka says, you'll save at least a grand to buy online. And if the local shop freakin' frustrates you rather than enhances the experience, why not save the money?
Compare it to other shop brands and it’s right in line price wise.
The bike looks dope. Love to try it.
i say this as a big fan of kona and someone who owns zero online brand bikes, btw. but kona is getting less and less compelling as they have less and less unique geo
As someone said above, this is not to undermine the ride quality of a good hardtail, but unless it's some titanium boutique piece of hand-made jewellery from an old, bearded welder's shed, a similarly specced HT should be cheaper than its FS counterparts.
It's clearly not the same frame?
is one of them an XL or XS frame or something?
But plus tires on a full squish, no thanks, I'll pass!
Steel was frame only. Seen a few in UK. But ordering and actually getting something off kona Europe is a Knightmare. Its like there run by polaticians. Very bad polaticians. Whatever date/info they give you is a lie
But 66 deh HA when sagged is like 68 degree which is spot on for a trail bike. Plus head angle is not the biggest factor for going up
These Honzos with their cheapo RS forks will not live up to what a good hardtail frame can handle.
I do wish they would have done some kind of flip chip so they could span 27.5 x 2.6 all the way to 29 x 2.6. IMO that's what all frames should strive for. Versatility and user preference...
Everyone seems to be bitching about the cost. But the Big Honzo DL has gotten lower priced every year since they released. Sure they have lost a little in spec in doing so, but nothing that will ruin the bike IMO. And they pretty much had to lower the spec on it so they could bring in the carbon frame version and have a price point/value choice that makes sense...
I think 2.8's are perfect on hardtails and the grip is still really nice on low/mid travel suspension bikes too IMO. I think more people would ride "PLUS" bikes if they chose by what they would most benefit what they ride most of the time. Instead of whats "new" or what the cool guys are talking about at the trail head... (I'm totally guilty of buying bikes based on those two criteria)
Please?
PLEASE?!
they lengthened the seat stays in 2019 to fit 29 x 2.6
can only blame myself for skim reading! lesson learned... although probably not!
nice bike though
Then I saw the head angle - 68 degrees? WFT? Its steeper than some XC hardtails....
www.superstarcomponents.com/en/slackerizer-angle-headset.htm
You are seriously mistaken
The torrent will EASILY take 29" wheels... It's got a huge amount of clearence. You could probably run a 29" 2.5 if you so chose
The mtbr forum has a huge thread on the torrent, one guy is even running 27.5x3.8 minions.
Big Honzo also is a plus bike, it can take big wheels too but the regular Honzo has a 10mm lower BB for those. And it takes 29x2.6 tires, even the old one with super short stays.
It's not anything new. It's just becoming more & more rampant in the cycling industry. I ditched RCs & PCs because of it. If the cycling industry continues to trend that way I'll give them the bird too.
Also, I thought we had unanimously decided that press-fit BBs suck. But still they managed to cram one on the carbon bike.
www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=207935&pagenum=1
As above, rider has clearly hit something HARD with his drive-side crank. Nothing to do with the fact that it's a press-fit, and I've certainly never heard of such a defect being a common occurrence.