Leatt Plans to Enter the Helmet Game

Jun 14, 2014
by Richard Cunningham  

Leatt CPX and DBX helmet impact testing 2015
  (Clockwise) Leatt's Phil Davy explains the importance of isolating the brain from rotational impacts. A close up look at the pointed spear used in the DOT certification process. Leatt licensed Kali's in-molded dual-density EPS shell technology, which significantly reduces the physical size of the helmet.


Leatt invited select members of the motorcycle and cycling press to the debut of its "redefined" helmet development program, where we were given a high-energy presentation of the South African protection firm's innovative full-face DPX Motocross and DBX Downhill lids - after which, we were then asked not to show pictures of either until a yet-to-be announced date later this Summer. Disappointed? Me too, but I'll spare you the Prom date fail joke and get straight to the images and information related to their development that Leatt's hyper-animated sales director Phil Davy gave us permission to share. It's well worth the look.


Armourgel

Leatt did not invent, nor formulate Armourgel, but they got very excited when they saw high-speed films depicting how only four millimeters of the stuff could prevent bullets and steel wedges from breaking actual shin bones harvested from human cadavers. Armourgel belongs to the family of visco-elastic polymers that are quite popular in the protection field, and this one is claimed to provide equal protection at only 25-percent of the thickness of its competitors. For those who aren't up to speed on the material, the polymer's locking molecules allow it to remain very flexible until it receives an impact, which then causes the visco-elastic structure to become hard and tough. Armourgel is used by Leatt as impact protection for its lightweight knee and elbow guards, on the back of its gloves, and also as the active elements in some of its chest and spine protection gear.

Leatt Turbine 360 low-speed and rotational impact devices 2014
  About the size of a quarter, Leatt's Turbine 360 buttons fulfil two critical duties. The energy absorbing material slows low-speed impacts well before the head contacts the EPS liner, while the spoked 'turbine' design allows the head to rotate slightly inside the helmet, should the rider receive a glancing blow.


Turbine 360

Leatt's engineers figured out a way to use a visco-elastic material to form a circular energy displacing button. The Turbine 360 is designed to be placed between the riders's head and the EPS liner in a helmet. The Turbine's shape allows the rider's head to rotate slightly within the helmet liner and it also protects the brain from low-speed impacts, which have recently been targeted as the number one cause of concussions among off road moto riders and cyclists. In a second fancy video, scientists dropped heavy rubber balls on two different visco-elastic polymers. The ball stopped dead on Leatt's sample and bounced off of the un-named beta materal. The inside of Leatt's DPX and DBX helments use a number of Turbine 360 buttons, spaced roughly three inches apart, that are pinned into the EPS foam liner with plastic rivets. Only the padded liner stands between the buttons and the rider's head, so the Turbine buttons become the first point of contact after an impact. The side benefit that the buttons provide is that they can protect the rider from multiple low-speed impacts without damaging the helmet's EPS liner. Leatt claims that conventional EPS liner-type helmets are safe for only one significant impact and do not provide adequate slow-impact protection.

Rotational Impacts

I am barfing back information that we were given at the Leatt launch, but if it's true, then it explains why everyone who is in the helmet making business has been scrambling to adopt anti-rotational protection since the MIPS system was released a few years ago, and more recently, the debut of the 6D helment design. The statistics were that the average DH or moto helmet is designed to keep the force of a direct impact below 80 G and that direct impacts up to 140 G were survivable. Both hits will result in a concussion to some degree, but the key word is "survivable." That said; consider that a substantially smaller rotational event - only 40 G - can kill a person, and you may want to consider adding rotational protection to your next helmet purchase. Pesently, there are no official tests nor standards to suggest safe magnitudes for rotational impacts, so Leatt tests with its own apparatus and has established its own maximum impact-force standards.

In-molded V-foam Liner

Leatt's third line of defense against head injury is a special, two component, in-molded EPS liner that was developed by Kali Protectives. and used under license by Leatt. Leatt calls it V-Foam construction, and it utilizes a harder, outer layer of EPS foam that is molded directly into the rigid outer shell of the helmet and co-molded to a second, softer EPS layer which has a number of conical spikes which nest into it. The three elements: in-molding, dual-density EPS foam and the conical spikes, dramatically reduce the thickness necessary to mute impact force, so the helmet can be made much smaller and lighter weight - which is an additional benefit in the case of a whiplash or a rotational impact. Leatt's new helmets are 5 to 20-percent smaller in profile than its major competitors - 12-percent smaller than a TLD D3 lid - and reportedly, with equal or better protection. The Moto helmets pass DOT certification at lighter, non-DOT-certified European weights. The DBX DH version, while sharing the same shell and technology, is not DOT certified.

Leatt PR images
  (Clockwise) Most of the cooling air enters the Leatt helmet through the high-pressure area above the goggles, where vents direct it to molded channels around the head. The red tab normally extends only ten millimeters from a seam in the cheek pads, When pulled, it extracts only the foam from within the pad. Leatt incorporates a drink-tube port in the lining near the chin guard.


The Best of the Rest

The Leatt helmet's 11 large vents(16 in the DH model) use plastic reinforcements around their perimeters, so they can be made larger than we are used to seeing on a full face. The moto vents use a high-impact screen that reportedly passes the DOT pointed-plunger test, while the non-DOT DH version uses a simple bar to keep the bugs out. The shell is EVAC ready and the cheek pads feature an emergency removal tab that pulls the foam pads out from the fabric liner so that friction against the face will not hinder the process of getting a rider's helmet off safely. Finallly, the visor is mounted with break-away screws that have an Allen hex removal function to allow its owner to easily extract the broken studs from inside the helmet shell.

So, we apologise for feeding you a heck of a lot of information about a helmet that we are not allowed to show you, and to tell the truth, Leatt also left us wondering why they were too timid to allow us to release pictures of the very finished looking production prototypes that were on display at the event. Keep an eye out for the new helmet at Glen Helen speedway if you ride Motocross in Southern California, and we'll keep the pressure on Leatt for an earlier release date of the DH version. In the meantime, the projected weight for the carbon DPX 6.5 is 1190 grams and for the fiberglass/Dyneema shell version, 1250 grams. The DH helmets are not yet finalized, but they will use the next size smaller shells and thus will come in at slightly lighter weights. Prices will range from $599 to $399 USD.




The SP-1 brace hydration pack holds half a liter of water and features
a quick disconnect hose so you can mount the hands-free bite valve
permanently in your helmet's chin guard. MSRP: $79 USD.



More New Kit From Leatt

Leatt also showed a number of products, both new and improved, at the launch that should interest AM and DH riders. Leatt's naming protocols have changed to a numerical system, with 6.5 as its top-line offering and 4.5 as its more affordable model. Most of the items which were shown were moto-products, but among them were a few tidbits that caught my attention.

For gravity riders and hard core enduro racers, Leatt has a low-profile hydration pack with a spine protecting insert between the bladder and the rider. If you want to add a chest protector to ride your moto, it can be attached to the crossed straps of the hydration pack.

Not new, but worth mention is a compact, half-liter water pack that straps onto the rear support of the Leatt neck brace and feeds, hands free, through the chin protector to the mouth.

Leatt used its new Armourgel to construct enduro-inspired lightweight elbow and knee protectors that look promising. And, for dads who envied their kid's Fusion one-piece upper-body protection kits, Leatt now makes one for adults. The chest and spine protection vest incorporates a Leatt neck device, which makes the system easy to put on or remove.

The DH neck brace has been modified with a new curve to allow more mobilty and has thinner padding. All 5.5 and 6.5 neck braces use a new 30-second adjustment system that solves the hassles of dialing in the original models.



DBX 6.5 Neck Protection

Leatt DBX 6.5 neck protection device 2015
  Leatt's latest DBX 6.5 neck protector is carbon fiber, and is the same item as its carbon fiber GPX moto protector, but with thinner padding.


Leatt DBX 6.0 carbon neck protector - 2015
  The new DBX neck protection device has been recurved to add mobility to the head (left). A new, lever operated adjustment system has dropped the time required to fit the neck protector from fuss-and-a-half o'clock, to only thirty seconds.



Hydra 4.5 Spine Protector/ Hydration Pack

Leatt Hydra 4.5 spine protector hydration pack - 2015
  The Hydra 4.5 hydration pack (and its sister, the GPX 3.0 hydration cargo pack) have a number of thin layers of Armourgel material to protect the spine, and a special sectioned hydration bladder that keeps the profile of the pack slim when full. Hook-and-loop straps on the cheest straps are used to attach a chest protector is necessary. The four-way X buckle incorporates a GoPro mount.



Airflex Knees and Elbows

Leatt Airflex knee and arm protectors 2015
  Airflex Knees and Elbows are minimized by bonding Armourgel pads to lightweight, two-way stretch fabric sleeves. Leatt says that the production versions will feature black pads. MSRP is $79 USD.


Airflex Lite Gloves

Leatt Aeroflex Lite glove 2015
  For those who want the lightest feeling glove and still have substantial rock and plant strike protection, Leatt bonds Armourgel pads to a remarkably thin palm material. It ain't cheap, but it reportedly passes CE standards, with an MSRP of only $69USD.



Fusion Upper Body Protection for Adults

Leatt PR images
   The very popular child's Fusion upper body armor and neck protector system has been modified to give more room between the helmet and the neck platform. This year, Leatt adds an adult-sized version. The adult model articulates at the center of the chest protector so that the helmet stays on plane with the neck brace platform. While both are intended to be moto protection items, the youth version could be a prudent investment to ensure that your wee offspring survive their first couple of years at the bike park.


Leatt


118 Comments

  • 151 1
 I was hoping the knee pads were going to come with a hydration pack...
  • 86 1
 Buzz Lightyear called... He wants his gloves back
  • 1 0
 lololol
  • 1 0
 bwhaahahaha
  • 3 0
 To infinity and beyond!
  • 29 0
 What I don't understand is why there can't be a better universal standard. I mean there's ce, dot, euro standards...then every manufacturer makes their own claims.. Leatt says that EPS only works for one impact, yet POC claims that their foam is good for quite a few. Given that we pretty much all run helmets day in and day out until they become too bashed or marked up to use, why isn't testing for multiple impacts a thing yet?
  • 20 0
 ^^^ good question. EPS liners can only withstand one major impact, because the foam permanently compresses in that zone. A big hit in the same spot twice can spell permanent brain damage - but many riders are content to roll the dice and hope the next fall will be different. Exacty how much force constitutes a major impact seems to be a closely held secret among helmet manufacturers. Imagine the expense of crashing hard two days after buying your custom painted TLD lid - do you play it safe and buy a new one?
  • 3 1
 TLD is interesting... no mention if eps or eff
  • 43 2
 actually, yeah I do... that would explain why I have 5 D3's..most of them sitting on the shelf never to be worn again. is my brain worth $500... yeah it is!..$2000? yup, still well within budget.
  • 30 2
 I'd rather invest $2000 into helmets than $$$$$$ into medical stuff any day!
  • 17 3
 ^^^amen to that....i figure a new helmet is a fraction of the cost of an er bill...at least here in the capitalistic american society.
  • 16 58
flag Mtbguy87 (Jun 14, 2014 at 23:36) (Below Threshold)
 Maybe just stop crashing? Saves your brain and money..
  • 30 4
 @Mtbguy87: Please tell us the secret for 100% crash free rides. We may as well never use any protective gear afterwards.
  • 33 0
 Check with TLD directly, in case of major impact, they replace your helmet for nearly half the price. You are welcome.
  • 2 1
 Uhmmmm... on a side note POC uses eff. Which has been used by pro-tec and various other massive companies. And their helmet has some funky anti rotational thing I never remember the name of... All for Less than the D3. Also, if you look at the helmet I wore in my crash video, even with a little tiny balk hit, it was done. The fact I think POC was trying to address was that the head comes into several hits with things before being stable...
  • 10 71
flag Mtbguy87 (Jun 15, 2014 at 0:36) (Below Threshold)
 Well smartass its called "rider skill". If you are crashing hard and often enough that you are blowing through helmets and protective gear then you need to go back to basics. And learn how to properly crash and roll out of crashes. I can go many years on a lid and not have any issues. But that's just me and knowing how to properly ride and race my bikes Smile
  • 35 1
 @mtbguy87. Same goes for not crashing. It's called skill. You can have 100% crash free rides all the time but that would indicate you are not pushing yourself so are stuck at one skill level. Pro's still crash on their home tracks (Dan Atherton does frequently). If you aren't crashing then you aren't trying hard enough.
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flag Mtbguy87 (Jun 15, 2014 at 1:46) (Below Threshold)
 I'm not saying crash free. I should have specified crash less. Burn if you are crashing enough that you are spending a bunch of money on new helmets consistently than you need to not push so hard or find a new sport. I crash but I don't have crashes that make me need to replace a helmet every 6 months.
  • 18 1
 @mtbguy87 do you have some secret to slowing your crashes down, so you can "properly crash" and "roll out of crashes"? because i would love to get in on that. speaking from experience, i have had far more crashes that happen to fast to 'roll out' and possibly prevent injury, than crashes where it is possible to "crash properly" and i would also like to know how to "properly ride and race my bikes"?
  • 7 0
 "properly crash and roll out of crashes". I used to say that as well a lot, until my last 3 surprise crashes this year.
  • 15 0
 I can't afford to buy a new d3 every time I crash (I can't even afford a d3) and I can't ask my parents for £350 every month. Helmets are expensive, most people do take the risk. I think
  • 6 49
flag Mtbguy87 (Jun 15, 2014 at 2:44) (Below Threshold)
 Well rather than being an idiot look into it Smile professional racers even have ways to properly crash Smile its about understanding how your body bends and what bones are more prone to injury. Rather than when going into crash just letting your body ragdoll try and control the way your body will tumble/slide/roll coming out of the fall. Its a moto trick I'm sure you know a bit about moto? Watch how pros crash as well. They try not to just tumble everywhere. Yes there are crashes where your speed can't be controlled but the average pink biker isn't raging down trails at world cup or record speeds. Sorry to school you fellows of basic bicycle fundamentals. Any further questions can be directed to my HR department. Office hours are available online. Thank you and have a marvelous day Smile
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flag Mtbguy87 (Jun 15, 2014 at 3:10) (Below Threshold)
  • 28 0
 Idiotic shit here. You can only roll away in slow speed crashes or on dirt jumps. I crashed in a race run where my front tyre burped (faulty sidewalls) in a tight fast switchback. I had hit the ground so hard and fast I didn't even realise it was happening. There is nothing you can do in high speed crashes. This shit about learn how to crash is only ever spewed out by people who have never had a really hard high speed crash.
  • 8 0
 The whole "try to roll out of a crash"- and "learn how to crash"-thing is stupid to me. It's all instinct, you either have it or not. Just because you crashed a shitload of times before, doesn't mean you'll safe the next time.
  • 3 36
flag Mtbguy87 (Jun 15, 2014 at 6:01) (Below Threshold)
 All you boys got your panties all stirred haha and suuuure "faulty sidewalls" whatever helps ya sleep mate!
  • 4 0
 I think you should replace your helmet when you have a significant spill and you know your helmet has been damaged.
I do anyway.

I wouldn't be able to afford replacing a tld d3. That's why I buy cheaper helmets THAT ARE STILL STRONG ENOUGH. You can buy a bell transfer 9 for around 160 euros. It is strong, rigid and I know it would do a good job in a crash. (do not buy a helmet for less than 150 euros !!! urge down'o matic, 661 comp.... they are as flimsy as hell and will not do as good a job as a tld or my bell for example Wink )
  • 6 0
 Mtbguy87, some crashes you can control. I crash a fair amount (I don't spend my time crashing though Wink ) and I don't break a bone every crash. That' because I do the right thing when I crash (roll, try and slide... etc; what you were talking about).

But when you crash at a race because you are pushing the limit, and are thrown around like a rag doll, you can't control your crash... or when you do a big jump and it doesn't go too well, or when it's steep and you smash into a tree... You can't do a thing.

Your crashes are obviously slow speed crashes, and aren't the bad ones I was talking about. You obviously aren't on the same level as the other guys answering your comments (not being mean or anything). You can control a crash up to a certain point... but some are just not possible to control, you would be a fool not to admit that.
  • 5 0
 It seems like @mtbguy87 hasn't replaced his D3 and had a big crash Wink To be honest I've never had a crash off the jumps or a fast berm, but eff helmet+neck brace = most safe.
  • 4 0
 For what it's worth, strengthening your neck by doing wrestler's bridges will make any helmet seem lighter.
  • 1 0
 @siderealwall2 -first comment was for everyone (I know @mtbguy87 hasn't replaced any d3's Wink
-second comment was for @mtbguy87 who seems to be talking a lot of rubbish
  • 4 4
 Can we quit the bull, we are all cyclists. Everyone get along and ride your damn bike! Helmets are cheaper than medical bills FACT. Lets mtbguy87 have his thoughts and don't let them effect your day. Shred on and keep safe dudes Salute
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flag Mtbguy87 (Jun 15, 2014 at 12:05) (Below Threshold)
 Racing I've had plenty of high speed crashes. None that have ever made me need to replace a helmet. Just minor injuries (cracked femur, broken hand, dislocated shoulder, stitches on my knee) all I'm saying is if you are going through and replacing D3's that often then you need to take a step back and realize your riding ability. There's a point of pushing yourself and then a point of completely going over board. Some guys don't know that line.
  • 7 0
 If you can talk like that, I think you need some EPO and a road bike. Bye bye!
  • 17 0
 @Mtbguy87, Have you seen Cedric's Crash? He slid out and had to be airlifted from cutting an artery! He's lucky he didn't bleed out! I dare you say he docent have skill. Also, the link you posted is less creditable than wikipeida...I am a professional racer, I have a National Title, and get to travel the country racing my bike. I have got hurt more times than I can count. Been in therapy more times than I can count and been scared for my life before. This "Knowing how to crash" is nonsense. Only thing you can do is relax and hope for the best. Your body takes over mid crash and you may get lucky and catch a tree, land in a bush, or land on a bed of pillows. Everything happens so fast you cannot train yourself how to crash properly. Your mind takes over and makes decisions that you are not even aware of, hopefully it works out for you during all of that. Dirt Jumpers know how to bail off, they do it countless times, look at that as a planned crash, or controlled crash. In downhill, you just got to let the mind and body do the amazing things it can do and hope and pray that you're going to be alright.
  • 3 0
 @mtbguy87 as bmcerjosh1 said "your mind takes over" in a crash. Good luck making that split-split-split-second decision to magically roll out of a crash unscathed with your incredible and apparently best way to crash (as if there's only one kind of crashing). I'm sitting here with a torn AC ligament and cracked rib from an MTB crash, and to be honest, I previously thought my chances of crashing were pretty low. So all I have to say man, is good luck, and don't be surprised when your special technique on how to crash suddenly doesn't work out like planned...
  • 6 0
 @mtbguy87 YOU MIGHT AS WELL NOT WEAR A HELMET
  • 3 0
 I don't ever crash...but when I do, I do it properly! Funny stuff here.
  • 1 0
 dont feed the troll kids
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flag Mtbguy87 (Jun 16, 2014 at 13:33) (Below Threshold)
 Pinkbike...the ultimate place to cause MTB butthurt
  • 2 0
 No one is butthurt, you just look like an ass. Congratulations on your unprecedented ability to slow and possibly even freeze time to always crash without injury or hitting your helmet on the ground. Someday when I get as good as you Mtbguy87, I won't have to buy anymore helmets. On the flip side of that, without guys like me dumping money into cool companies like TLD, you don't get fancy new graphics each year, ya hear? Have fun and ride your bike kids.
  • 1 0
 YES! Ill see you at carlmont.. hopefully... Are you in the "dig crew"?
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flag Mtbguy87 (Jun 16, 2014 at 23:13) (Below Threshold)
 How many more of you are going to cry on this thread
  • 2 1
 HEY POSER JUNKIE! SINCE YOUR SO "BADASS" AND YOU "SHOW EVERYONE UP" WHY DONT YOU JUST shut up! Obviously we, mere mortals cannot bend time or talk shit like you, superior being of the sky. Since you are so much more intelligent and knowledgeable about a subject you claim you "never do but somehow always do perfectly" (which is next-level bull****) and then claim you get in high speed DH crashes even though you are SELLING THE BIKE YOU USE TO DO SO. If anybody needs to take a step back and examine their "skill level" it should concern your ability to fit into our community of people that care about Mountian bikes. For anything outside of that I suggest you use a fun little thing- www.tumblr.com
  • 1 0
 *cough* old kona *cough*
  • 1 8
flag Mtbguy87 (Jun 17, 2014 at 0:34) (Below Threshold)
 Your level of anal hurt has reached new heights
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flag Mtbguy87 (Jun 17, 2014 at 0:41) (Below Threshold)
 And besides what are you like 13? Mommy and daddy still buy you things? Maybe rather not understanding what I initially meant to say you "fellow mountain bikers" should recognize sarcasm and a joke. Considering I've been racing since I was 5 which is riding a lot longer than most the jokers on this thread. I know a bit about crashing. I merely stated off first don't crash as much as a joke then fruity bicycle rocker dudes got involved with smartass remarks. Naturally I start talking back being sarcastic as ever and everyone's arses become more hurt than a weak man in prison's haha
  • 2 1
 17 with a full time job
  • 2 5
 Not you kid. The 13 year old above you. You haven't said anything worth commenting back on until now haha
  • 2 1
 Time does slow down when you are in the zone during a crash though. There is a lot of validity to what he says. You think you have no influence over how well or how bad a crash happens? That's why you end up with broken ribs.
  • 1 0
 Mtbguy87- I work a job and get straight A's along with take A classes
  • 2 0
 Not to say it is guaranteed, but pretty much you should only be hurt in a freak accident. A freak accident is when you have no control over avoiding the injury. Most io the time you do, by being calm/relaxed, and not freaking out like a spaz.
  • 1 0
 exactly I agree with your last comment @banjberra. And things sometimes do slow down when you are in a "dangerous" situation (sometimes).


@mtbguy87 can you stop saying we are "anal hurt." It's just rude and makes you look thick and vulgar.

If you don't realise you are talking rubbish, there is nothing anyone can do for you. Maybe you have been racing since you were five but judging by the things you have said, I bet you are as slow as f***. Fast guys don't talk about how fast they are. And also don't talk shit.

Also people who use other peoples younger age as an insult or a way to say they don't know anything are always idiots who are just trying to find a reason to justify they are right.
  • 2 0
 @mtbguy87, if you think you can control a crash perfectly in a DH race then please go and tell your secrets to all the Pro's who ragdoll off drops/jumps or those who fly over the bars from jamming their front wheel in rock gardens. If it was easy to control an unexpected crash then the pros wouldn't get injured/as badly injured as they do. Look at (I think it's this guy) Cam McCaul when he f*cked up that 80ft gap. Tried to land in a way that shouldn't hurt him badly, shattered his heels. Cedric Gracia, literally fell onto a tree stump at low speed and almost bled out. Nobody can control fast crashes. You can barely control some slow speed crashes.
  • 1 4
 Go watch most pros. Look at their body language before as they crash. They try to brace up and prepare for the impact. They don't all just rag doll. Can mccaul shattered his heals. If he would have just rag dolled as you so put it he could have broken his neck or shattered a shoulder. You can't control every crash as I have already stated. You can however control your body in ways to help prevent injuries. Road racers do it, moto racers try to do. There are methods and its all about being in the moment and reacting on muscle memory, not being a moron and just letting your body flail around.
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flag Mtbguy87 (Jun 17, 2014 at 11:56) (Below Threshold)
 BTW I never talked about how fast I was. I said I've been racing since I was 5, I also have said I've had high speed crashes (as have most others on this thread have said) go do some proper reading through comments before you comment not knowing what you are talking about. If some little shit comes on here to dig through my profile and use the products I used to ride on against me thats ok? But using shit I see on his is wrong? Get off your high horse boy
  • 2 0
 Actually, Cam Zink, the guy you are refering t9o, bruised his heals really bad, he did not shatter them.
  • 1 0
 McCaul never crashes... and that IS dj, where you prepare to bail even if all is well... @mtbguy87 should also refer to the fact that The jump zink bailed on was a distance substancial enough to give 5+ seconds of G-zero or less time...
  • 3 1
 i think mtbguy87 has a large black dildo inserted in his back door...
  • 2 0
 I think everyone is just being too defensive and proud. It's not like he is claiming that you can always mitigate all injuries. He is just stating that you can lessen the damage of a crash by bailing skilfully. Anyone who says it isn't true should read up on the career of a stuntman.
  • 1 0
 but stuntmen crash for a living.
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 So what? That just makes my point even more valid.
  • 2 3
 Thank you! Every pro rider does enough crashing over their career that they develop a technique of crashing. You see it in ever crash section of a video. Nobody ever really notices it though!
  • 1 0
 I agree with you both, they do the right things when they crash and are skilful in doing so. They are like stuntmen when they crash !

But those comments where he (Mtbguy47) got 40+ neg props, they are the ones he talked rubbish in.
  • 2 0
 I would probably talk shit too if all of these proud nerds that definitely ride 29er hardtails ganged up on me and tried telling me I was wrong when I was right.
  • 2 0
 Honestly it is pretty offensive to buy that many helmets. Then to preach about it like your head is so important. When your helmet dies, your ride is over. It's not like you carry your shelf with 5 helmets on it in your backpack. I can understand keeping one extra, kinda. But multiple 500 dollar helmets is super excessive and I'd be ashamed to be that rich and selfish.
  • 3 0
 I should not have commented on this
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 Its only rubbish to people that don't understand Smile
  • 1 0
 Maybe one day we can meet and you can teach me the ways of the mountain biker, for my understanding is so little
  • 3 0
 The point is that they learn how to crash at lower speeds just like everyone else does. But...when a pro is riding at his limit he is every bit as unable to control how he falls as you or I are. A crash when you are on the limit/over your head is not controllable for anyone. Everyones limits may be different but if a crash happens hard and fast relative to your skill level you wont be able to do jack shit about it. This is the point that you are missing entirely.
  • 1 0
 well said ! I must admit though that replacing 5 d3's is a little excessive...
  • 1 0
 Over the course of 5 years that's one helmet per year... Fairly reasonable IMO.
  • 2 0
 oh yeah sorry that is reasonable, I didn't see you had said over 5 years. Over the 3 last years I have had 3 helmets...
  • 14 1
 I wanna see more pics of the helmet!
  • 13 1
 I wanna see someone wearing the whole ensemble. ... .
  • 2 0
 +1 want more helmet pictures.
I think they have a good product the only worry is if it can compare with ventilation and comfort too. These might sound trivial but for most they will look at the helmets and see the D3 and dissident pass protection standards than look at the weight and ventilation along with comfort and choose based on the over all package.

It sounds like they offer more on the protection front but if the ventilation is bad and the comfort is bad people will shy away from them. Many riders will be happy with the current standard of helmet and look for ventilation and weight. If everyone was focused on best protection they would all wear body armor and neck braces, many don't.

I just hope they come out with this helmet been competitive and comparable in all areas, not just in protection. This way people wont shy away from them and more riders will have a better protected head.
I really hope these become a big player, concussions are still a bit factor in riding and reducing those is always a good thing.
  • 3 2
 I have pics in my camera, but they are embargoed by Leatt :-{(>
  • 3 0
 Shame they didn't put an embargo on ditching people on the trail too.
  • 2 0
 LOL. Poor RC. Unforgettably out of line self righteous behaviour. Maybe you should write a public apology to that guy.
  • 11 0
 make a neck protector that wont brake my wallet... cant they work with health insurance companies to subsidize it for me
  • 4 0
 This could go very well with Canadian healthcare...
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 finnrambo...do you want to adopt a few americans? can i be at the top of your list?
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 I really like the feel an tech that goes into this and Khali products, but pleeeease Leatt: Make a plain black version without a lot of garish graphics and I'll buy one in a heartbeat!

If not, I'm sticking to the TLD pinstripe D3s.
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 Giros new helmet is so light and comfortable for half the price of carbon!
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 Nukeproof critical spine. Uses soft padding with removable insert for neck braces (given not the new split style thoracic tail ones)
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 Leatt Please use the sort of protection POC uses and create a neck brace compatible soft spine protector. Everything that is only spine on the market and brace compatible is hard plastics and uncomfortable. POC are missing a huge market here, someone might as well take advantage of it if they haven't.
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 +1 after 3 different spine/back protectors I've yet to find one I find a comfortable combination with a neck brace.
While lattes own back protection had the best neck brace interaction, I found the padded to be way too big an flat.
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 Nukeproof critical spine. Uses soft padding with removable insert for neck braces (given not the new split style thoracic tail ones)
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 Aren't the Leatt Body Protector 3DF and Body Protector 3DF Airfit soft upper body protection with spin coverage that is soft and flexible? I haven't seen one, I'm just going off the info on their website. I was looking at the Airfit for that reason, that is if my wife ever goes back to work and we can afford medical insurance, then I can start racing again....
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 I have the leatte at the moment an nope, it's about an inch thick an pretty stiff. The width of It an it's stiffness makes it feel like a skate board is strapped to your back!
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 Yeah some products are "soft" absorption but still stiff to wear, nothing like the POC stuff. If you have ever used POC its amazingly comfortable and none restrictive.
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 Any of you guys tried the Troy lee shirt (5070) with the removable pads for the neck brace? I haven't worn it with my brace, cause I've been mostly doing mellower rides these days, but I test fit it with the brace, and it felt pretty comfy. as far as the shirt goes, I've worn it on a few rides, and it was like I wasn't even wearing armor, though my wearing a full 661 upper body for years probably has something to do with that. Also, if you want less padding, almost every pad is removable.
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 i gear up like a damn poor storm trooper. that is a damn shame too because i spend money on a sweet bike and whats the point if i get hurt and can not ride. i could go for a pair of knee braces, i would love a chest protector and a neck brace, but things get pricy and i am a damn fool and dont want to fork the cash out for the stuff. i like their protective gear very nice. as for the helmets there should be a way better standard off testing. there should be crazy marketing test reviews articles and what not getting the info to us riders. i have seen the protec test where they test the cheap ass almost pointless skate helmet they make, thats crazy how they can not put it on the test machine due to the helmet not being good enough to even protec the testing machine.
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 I am still having a hard time understanding how those rotation thingies work... Last time I checked my skull like most other peoples was rather oval shaped.
So a oval shaped head inside a oval ridged helmet shell could be considered interlocking shapes.
Kinda same reason why oval ball bearing are hard to find and would not rotate no matter how much balls, Grease or turbines you pack into it...

Anyone a logical explanation for that phenomenon or can we move that straight into the Marketing-BS bin?
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 essentially, the oval of the helmet is big enough to rotate around the smaller oval of your head without interlocking, at least for the first few critical degrees of rotation or so. that's why it has to be between the liner and shell, otherwise, the helmet would just flop about on your head. They aren't claiming that the shell will spin on the liner and not impart any rotational force to your head, just that it will reduce the spike in force that occurs at the exact moment of impact.
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 hm, thanks for trying. The theory behind it is clear and makes sens but the use of little plastic rollers not so much.
If my head where to rotates inside the helmet on those turbine wheels it would just hit the inside of the helmet later but does not reduce the energy transferred.
Also is I have a soft lining inside the harder EPS (on a lot of high end helmets different harnesses of what ever foams they use) so the deformation of all these materials would gradually take out energy of the impact while they are deforming (and breaking).

On the other side what confuses me more, if those little turbine wheels would really help to rotate the helmet around my head they would have to be the primary contact points to my skull which on the other hand means if i have a impact (as far as this is possible) I would have a little plastic wheel price my skull because i have all the forces concentrated on just a little area and not spread out through out the helmet.

I am not saying that with a well designed helmet you can't reduce rotational forces from an impact but for me those little turbine-wheels are looking like a big pile of marketing BS to me.
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 you misunderstand: it's about reducing the sharpness of the impact by controlling the acceleration & deceleration of the mass(your head.) The amount of force isn't relevant to their objective, it's how quickly the force is transferred. a slower transfer equates to less maximum Gs imparted to the mass: instead of experiencing 40G over 1 second, you experience 20G over 2 seconds. As for it's effectiveness, I don't have nearly the engineering chops to answer that.
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 Yeh like I said get the Story and it makes sense. Reducing the deceleration of the brain-matter and therefore reducing the likelihood of ending up with a concussion. Thats basic logic. simple to understand. The part i don't get is how 4 20mm plastic wheels possibly can do that. First of all every head is shaped different, those wheels might not even touch my head.. My theory is that they use their 2K compound EPS shell for a more controlled deceleration of whatever is wedged it that helmet hence the better test results. That cross-section with the Gray and Black EPS makes a lot of sense. You start with deforming a soft material and progress to a harder one plus material is pushed out of the way because of the shape the two components have which means energy is absorbed and results in more gradually slowing down and therefor less Gs. Similar like jumping in a foam pit vs. jumping on a Yoga mat from 10ft... I think they will have a great helmet, but the little turbines are just there because some marketing guy wanted the engineers at leatt to make technology visible...
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 I don't think they're going to be visible. Like you said, they hidden underneath the liner. Also, if I read correctly, the wheels aren't plastic but a compound similar to D3O or armorgel.
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 "the stuff could prevent bullets and steel wedges from breaking actual shin bones harvested from human cadavers"
Next time you roll away from a crash unscathed, spare a thought for the guys who donated their bodies to science, only to have their shin bones harvested and shot at by mountain bikers!
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 My question is why is there such a build up in the back of the neck braces??? Almost all cervical fractures occur with the neck flexed forward. This takes the curve out of the neck and thus all the force is transferred down the bones of the neck and somewhere that force stops and bam it burst fractures the neck. Not snapping the neck back or to the sides. but these braces are so built up in the back, especially with armor, that they block my ability to look down the trail as far as I would like especially on jump trails.. So no armor? or no brace?
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 So question is will the helmet be more expensive than the brace or the other way round?
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 I don't know if those Leatt neck braces really work. The guy that died in Whistler a few weeks ago was wearing one and riding a not so crazy dangerous section from what I've gathered.
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 Not sure what happened to that guy, but there's more ways to kill yourself on a bike than the ones that a neck brace specifically protects you from. It's not a forcefield.
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 Screw helmet safety, Im searching for Emily Batty's pictures Smile
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 Protection has really come along!
Those knee pads/sleeves look great. Hopefully they have the special sauce on both sides of knees too.
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 I'm actually not too excited about the knee pads... why do they have divots to catch on things? if the surface of the pad has holes in it, they better go all the way through to vent heat, like the Dianese, otherwise, they only give something the opportunity to pull on the pads in a crash. Also, pretty sure they don't have side protection like you mention.
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 here is an idea, just don't crash. no crashes= no new helmets or medical bills.... all kidding aside i always wear a brace and helmet.
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 This concerns me considering I just bought a "cheap" helmet.

Im going to go ride now
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 Hahah so if there neckbraces brake collar bones, what would their helmets brake?
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 Quite expensive things... Sure if I would not pay everything by cleaning...
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 that helmet looks suspiciously similar to the 6D helmet designs.
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 hail hydra Big Grin
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 I'm sure they can put together some mumbo jumbo pseudo-science from a "doctor" that will convince people to part with $1000 to $2500 for a Leatt helmet.
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