Les Gets World Cup DH and XC Cancelled

 Sure - because epidemics/diseases never start anywhere else. Oh wait, what about your neighbor in 1918?

 @neimbc: No really, f*ck China. Now because the world is crippled they see it as a good time to begin flexing their military muscle promoting territorial expansion and WW3 fears.

This is not a drill. The Chinese people are victims here as well. It's the Chinese Communist Party that can get blown into the next millennium. They must be stopped.

 @neimbc:

"Timeline
First wave of early 1918

The pandemic is conventionally marked as having begun on 4 March 1918, with the recording of the case of Albert Gitchell, an army cook at Camp Funston in Kansas, United States"

Wikipedia

 @neimbc: I mean I don't think we should hold covid against them - but china is preety bad. What they do in their concentration camps, the south china sea, Hong Kong, the amount of people they execute each year.

China is honestly pretty terrible at this point in it's history.

 @Larkey1: Yes China is whacked and needs to change - Covid isn't necessarily their fault. I agree on all other points.

 @neimbc: According to the most common theory,the virus came from the South China live animals market,just like the bird flu before it,and others.
Who's fault is it if not theirs?

 @nozes: Covid 19 was found in a waste water sample in Barcelona from march 2019. It was also detected in samples from other countries predating the Wuhan outbreak. Just because the virus was first identified in China doesn't necessarily mean it originated there.

newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-29/COVID-19-found-in-Spanish-wastewater-in-March-2019-say-researchers-RJ2ZnDL8Ag/index.html

 fact

 I like that whenever there is a comment regarding devaluing or moving past COVID there is an American flag next to the user name. Not saying that you are wrong by any means, just a humorous observation. Lets host the WC in Tennessee at Windrock!

 Sadly the death toll is still rising, id much rather watch old videos and keep fans and teams healthy.

 @richsmithytfc: And the death toll will keep rising until young healthy people who are at minimal risk for serious complications go out, get infected, recover, and reach the 70'ish % recovery rate necessary to offer herd immunity to those who are at risk of serious complications or death. There's really not a lot of risk to the relatively young and fit demographic of cyclists so this is idiotic. Pathogens don't just go away cause you hide in your room watching videos while wearing your homemade mask waiting for your TV to tell you it'll all be ok.

 @Tacodip420: Yeah, its a combination of sad and infuriating. It looks like we have more armchair virologists in America than pinkbike has armchair engineers. Why listen and use common sense prevention methods when you can just spout off bs about herd immunity and the lack of risk to young people? Nevermind the long term complications. Murica!

 @Tomternal: Because the science isn't complicated, and it directly refutes the propagandist spin... and it'd be armchair epidemiologist, not virologists, dumbass.

Please... enlighten us armchair experts though, without herd immunity "bs" how exactly do you think this virus goes away? You just gonna stop going outside for your entire life, submit to living in a bubble, wear a mask forever, hope there's a vaccine with sufficient acceptance that "bs" herd immunity is attained through vaccine within the next couple years and just be a sheep until then? Please, since the realities of the risk presented to young healthy people and facts about herd immunity are "armchair virologist" "bs", by all means, correct me with some facts.

 @badbadleroybrown: are you incapable of the google or just willfully ignorant? Read the peer reviewed study about herd immunity through natural infection that was just released that used the data from Spain and suggests its not necessarily achievable.

But hey your genius idea about throwing a bunch of young people out into the world to catch the rona since there is "not a lot of risk" sounds great. You should try and find a local covid party for your young children/relatives/friends and put your theory to the test and let us all know how it works out for them.

 @badbadleroybrown: just shoot the virus yeah MERICA!!!!!!!!

 @Tomternal: If herd immunity isn't achievable than no immunity is achievable, since vaccination works the same way... so we're all doomed to die from the big bad covid and we need to just let natural selection run its course.

Except that the study very clearly doesn't say that her immunity is "not necessarily achievable." It says, specific to Spain, that it's not likely achievable without "accepting the collateral damage of many deaths in the susceptible population and overburdening of health systems".

Neither of those two caveats are remotely applicable to this situation. You might want to worry more about understanding the info you read than just googling for it.

Fun fact you dumbshit... young people are at virtually no risk of dying from covid and the enormous majority of young people who catch it don't even suffer symptoms sufficient to warrant seeking medical care.

Those under 19 have a 0% chance of dying
Those between 20-44 have between a 0.1% and 0.2% chance of dying

So, please... tell me more about how much you like to run your mouth about shit you're not nearly educated or informed enough to understand.

...oh, and while you've been cowering inside blindly believing that the same virus that broke containment at a BSL-4 virology facility is gonna be stopped by your homemade cloth mask I've been out living life and enjoying myself. Going to beaches, going to bars, life as usual and not a single person I've been in contact with has been sick enough to call a doctor.

A little thing called science proves beyond any dispute that there are three potential paths forward:
1. Restrictions for at risk demographics while the young and healthy move forward with our lives and establish herd immunity.
2. Shut down the world for an indeterminate time waiting for a vaccine to be developed and administered to a sufficient percentage of the population to reach herd immunity levels.
3. Acquired immunity through recovery or vaccination isn't possible and we just need to accept that people will be dying as nature deems appropriate.

Those are the facts... Perpetually hiding in your basement might be daily life for you but it doesn't work for the whole world.

 @fatduke: Your mortality rate is over three times higher than ours in the US... might wanna worry more about your own issues there champ.

 @badbadleroybrown: i don't live in a city or large town so I'm not that worried.

plus where did you pull that 3xstat from?

 @fatduke: From the facts... US is sitting at a mortality rate of a little over 4% while the UK is sitting just over 15%

US - 130,813 deaths / 2,963,244 confirmed cases = 4.4% mortality rate
UK - 44,476 deaths / 287,872 confirmed cases = 15.4% morality rate

15.4 / 4.4 = 3.5 times higher mortality rate

Hell, even Sweden who had no mandatory lockdown is outpeforming the UK

Sweden - 5,447 deaths / 73,344 confirmed cases = 7.4% mortality rate


...Seriously, do y'all just not even bother to search for facts or raw data and just hop onboard with whatever spin the media sells you with no effort at all to think for yourselves or what?

 @fatduke: f*ck ya, I ain’t gunna wear no libtard mask, that’s infringin on my god damn freedom. This is Murcia. Imma goins to shoot that lie virus right in the face.

 @fatduke: Well for all of you outside the US who are wondering why we are going backwards here when it comes to getting past this virus, this thread shows exactly why.

 @badbadleroybrown: can't argue with facts much. UK As a small country with a high population it spreads quite fast where as Sweden is around 85% larger with less population so less cases and less need for a full lockdown.

Quite a lot don't take in to account population and land mass.

 @sino428: Truth... folks like you and @Tomternal really highlight the failings of the US education system and the susceptibility of average Americans to misinformation and propaganda.


And we're not going backwards... mortality rate is actually going down, we were over 6% mortality rate at the end of April, it's come down 30%. Find some facts and stop listening to what the TV tells you.

 @fatduke: The impact of population density on pathogenic transmission is directly related to population mobility... so in restricting the mobility of the population, the UK should have realized greater benefit than Sweden has by just having a lower density of population.

But you are correct that it plays a role.

 @badbadleroybrown: yea blame the media for sure, they are the problem. Sounds like you have it all figured out,

 @sino428: I'm not blaming the media, idiot... I'm blaming mindless puppets like you who blindly believe the media because you're not educated or intelligent enough to think for yourselves.

 @badbadleroybrown: turn off your TVs and put down your newspapers everyone. Big bad Leroy here has the REAL story for us.

 @badbadleroybrown: Yes, our death rate in the UK has been abysmal, mainly due to inept governance. However, I do recall you guaranteeing the US health system would deal with Corona more effectively than the socialist healthcare systems of Europe. Germany might have some cause to disagree. Be sure to call me cupcake when you reply, I'll be feeling like I missed out otherwise.

 @sino428: Tell me more about how you're threatened by facts...

 @commental: Germany currently has a 4.5% mortality rate... just a bit higher than the US. And that's using one outlying high performer as the entirety of your argument. Taken collectively, the US has absolutely destroyed the socialist European healthcare model. France is sitting a mid 14%, Italy is in mid 14%, UK at mid 15%, Spain is over 11%, Belgium is in the high 15% range, Netherlands is at 12%.

Next time you want to point out that I was right, you can just say it directly... cupcake.

 @badbadleroybrown: You should have a youtube channel or something. You need to get the real facts out there man. Save us all from that corrupt media. You just aren't reaching enough people here in the Pinkbike comment section under your hidden down voted post.

 @badbadleroybrown: According to the data I'm looking at, Ireland, Holland, Portugal, Croatia, Poland, Finland, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Iceland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Luxembourg, Slovakia, Slovenia, Liechtenstein, OK I'm bored now and can't be bothered to name any more, have all got fewer deaths per million population than the US.
I guess it just goes to show we can all cherry pick statistics to suit our agenda.
Thanks for the cupcake bit though, it made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

 @commental: Deaths per million population isn't a relevant statistic... but it definitely does show that you like to cherry pick data to avoid admitting you were wrong.

The healthcare system deals only with those who are sick, gross population totals isn't relevant to the efficacy of the healthcare system.

The collective mortality rate of the EU is 11.4%... more than 2.5x the mortality rate in the US.

178,266 deaths / 1,558,868 cases = 11.4%

If you're stuck on mortality as a share of population...

The US has 0.04% mortality rate as a share of the population, which is the same as the EU collectively.

 @badbadleroybrown: I read this somewhere recently;
"Fun fact you dumbshit... young people are at virtually no risk of dying from covid and the enormous majority of young people who catch it don't even suffer symptoms sufficient to warrant seeking medical care."
Maybe that's why I'm stuck on mortality as a share of population.

 @commental: That's weird way to say you struggle with reading comprehension and will drop any logical fallacy you can muster just to avoid admitting that I was right... but whatever, you do you.