Liv's 2023 Intrigue LT is Their Most Aggressive Bike Yet
Liv, Giant’s women-specific counterpart, has launched the all new Intrigue LT with 150mm of rear wheel travel, making it their most aggressive bike in the lineup. The ALUXX SL-Grade aluminum frame features a downtube storage compartment and a 3-position flip-chip, like the recently revised Reign.
Liv has configured the XS and S sizes to run exclusively on mixed wheels and use the same geometry as the M and L frames which come stock with dual 29” wheels. The only difference is that the two larger sizes have the option to use the smaller rear wheel.
Two Intrigue LT models range from roughly €3,399 to €,3999, although pricing is still being finalized for some European regions. Only the $2,800 USD base model will be available in the United States.
Liv has configured the XS and S sizes to run exclusively on mixed wheels and use the same geometry as the M and L frames which come stock with dual 29” wheels. The only difference is that the two larger sizes have the option to use the smaller rear wheel.
Two Intrigue LT models range from roughly €3,399 to €,3999, although pricing is still being finalized for some European regions. Only the $2,800 USD base model will be available in the United States.
Liv Intrigue LT Details
• Wheel size: Mixed - XS, S / 29" M, L
• Aluminum frame
• Travel: 150mm / 160mm fork
• 65.1° head angle (mid setting)
• 77.6° seat angle (mid setting)
• Chainstay length: 442mm
• 3-position flip-chip
• Downtube storage compartment
• Sizes: XS, S, M, L
• Price: €3,399 - 3,999 / $2,800 USD (LT 2)
• liv-cycling.com
• Wheel size: Mixed - XS, S / 29" M, L
• Aluminum frame
• Travel: 150mm / 160mm fork
• 65.1° head angle (mid setting)
• 77.6° seat angle (mid setting)
• Chainstay length: 442mm
• 3-position flip-chip
• Downtube storage compartment
• Sizes: XS, S, M, L
• Price: €3,399 - 3,999 / $2,800 USD (LT 2)
• liv-cycling.com
Geometry
In the middle setting, the 160mm fork sits moderately at 65.1 degrees and the seat tube is a suitably steep 77.3 degrees. Changing the position of the flip-chip will alter the angles by roughly 0.4 degrees and position the BB 5mm higher or lower.
Since the Intrigue LT uses the same 3-position flip-chip as the Reign, the angles will be similarly 0.8 degrees slacker with 27.5" rear wheel rather than a 29". The best option for running the small rear wheel will be to place it in the high setting, which still makes the geometry more aggressive than the low setting with a 29" rear wheel. Keep in mind, the mixed wheels are only an option for the M and L frames.
As for the frame reach measurements, those begin at 402 for the XS, and move up to 417 442, and 462 for the L. The chainstays of the bike measures 442mm for all sizes, making the two smaller frames slightly disproportionate compared to the reach.
Specs
Each frame uses a Fox Float DPS and quite a few of Giant’s own components, like the Contact dropper post, handlebar, stem, and wheels. Both models use Liv’s Sylvia saddles and Maxxis 3C MaxxTerra Minion DHF and Dissector tires with EXO casings. There’s also the inclusion of an MRP AMg chain guide for extra security.
What differs between the Intrigue LT 1 and 2 is primarily the fork and drivetrain. The LT 2 comes with a RockShox 35 Gold RL fork and the higher-end LT 1 uses a Fox 36 with a GRIP damper. You’ll also get a mix of Shimano SLX and Deore-level shifting components on the LT 1 versus SRAM SX, but both 12-speed drivetrains feature at least a 500% gear range.
Liv Intrigue LT 1 - 3,999 EUR / $4,299 CAD / N/A in USA
Liv Intrigue LT 2 - 3,399 EUR / $3,999 CAD / 2,800 USD
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The above warranty, or any implied warranty, does not cover:
Bicycles serviced by a non Authorised Giant Dealer.
Singletrack are putting a warranty article together that should appear tomorrow morning
Other brands will make the shop do the stripdown, fill out a report and send it to the manufacturer who will do the determination/decision.
So it makes sense that Giant will want the authorized shop to do the stripdown.
That being said, if you actually want quality, always buy the frame and parts including the frame independently, and consider support smaller brands that actually aim to make quality product rather than pump out frames in masses.
Correct - Giant do not credit shops for labour for doing ANY warranty work.
As for the frame, the shop pays for the warranty frame, then a credit is applied to their account when Giant receive evidence of the destroyed frame.
There are very few companies out there providing labour credits for warranty items - Specialized is one of them however. As much as many people dislike their business tactics, their warranty is rock solid and extremely easy to deal with on a dealer level. We're rarely if ever out of pocket, and that means we can pass those savings onto our customers.
They also warrantied any Ebike batteries and motors without question. I've also warrantied carbon frames and wheels without issue. They've been the best to deal with. I worked at a Giant dealer for a few years.
Did not have the same experience with broken frames from a few other manufacturer over the years. Always hoops to jump though. Getting Specialized to warranty last month was like a full time job.
For two of my issues they sent me brand new frames ( even recommended that if I can wait a month they'd send me an updated frame which was a MAJOR revision of that bike model).
For my third and most recent I cracked a chain stay on my Kevevo SL. They sent a new rear triangle and I was back riding within 10 days and it cost me $100.00
Say what you want but they make great bikes and their warranty in awesome.
My mate had a Trance with carbon wheels and they warranted those as well after a bad landing at BPW.
So real world, Giant have a very good warranty customer service
To sum it up for everyone, Giant says servicing bike yourself or through a non-Giant dealer will not void the warranty. If said service is not done properly and the improper installation causes the damage, then there could be issues getting the warranty covered.
long and short of it, don't be a dick to the Giant dealer and they'll likely cover your ass on the warranty claim.
You work at a shop?
If not I’d say your shop is maybe just giving you a break because they definitely don’t give labour credits
Worth noting the STW is pretty strict in its moderation. If the stuff being said wasn’t real it would have been removed already
singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/warranty-denied-as-i-stripped-the-bike-down
“Under the exclusions section of the Giant UK warranty policy, it states that a bicycle serviced by a non-Giant retailer has no warranty.”
I’m fairly certain that this warranty exclusion wouldn’t withstand scrutiny under UK law but until they behave reasonably (or are forced to by the legal system) I don’t think it’s fair for anyone to buy a Giant bike without being aware that the warranty is almost worthless.
Exclusions. THE ABOVE WARRANTY, OR ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY, DOES NOT COVER NORMAL WEAR AND TEAR. ALL WARRANTIES ARE VOID IF THE BICYCLE IS MODIFIED FROM ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION OR THE BICYCLE IS USED FOR OTHER THAN NORMAL ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, FAILING TO FOLLOW THE OWNER’S MANUAL OR USING THE BICYCLE FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES OR IN COMPETITIVE EVENTS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO BICYCLE RACING, BICYCLE MOTORCROSS RACING, STUNT RIDING, RAMP JUMPING OR SIMILAR ACTIVITIES, AND TRAINING FOR SUCH ACTIVITIES OR EVENTS. GIANT MAKES NO OTHER WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. Except to the extent specifically prohibited by law, ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, ARE LIMITED IN DURATION TO THAT OF THE EXPRESS WARRANTIES STATED ABOVE.
- So no training for a race, this voids a warranty?
- Riding a Fiver voids warranty?
"This full-composite frame is engineered with enduro racing geometry and adjustability" - > Just dont ever race or train on it or we will void the warranty....
I know that if I changed the rear shock on my reign, and put the wrong size in there, it sure as hell wolf void the warranty for most brands.
Here in Aus, I've only ever heard of a giant warranty being knocked back for custom paintjobs and people drilling into thier frames for internal cable routing before it was a standard thing.
I have also seen many a giant warrantied after it has been used in races here.
So you're on a Giant/ Liv article having a crack at people who llike Giant's and Livs?
You're the one who's in bad taste.
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How do you know when a plane load of brits has landed at Sydney airport?
You can still hear the whinging after the engines have stopped.
Most aggressive bike yet
While she could get away with less travel, which is why we are looking at something like the new Trek Fuel as a replacement, she does need aggressive geo. While certainly not the most aggressive rider around, she sends it down trails that I watch bros walk.
I'd love to keep her on a 150mm+ bike as she potentially grows into getting more air time. She's only been riding for 2 years, so she has a lot of room for growth.
I know it's a hard truth to swallow for some and I was ready to be downvoted into oblivion.
But to make it somewhat more digestible:
A good portion of men aren't capable of aggressive riding...
For women that portion is even bigger.
How on earth 2800$ become 3399€ given the bikes are made in Taiwan and not in the US (in that case it would make more sense)? The same applies for the more expensive one.
3399€ for a bike with a RS 35 in the front. How is that even possible?
I bet the answer to these questions is that they don't sell them with a saddle either to be as* f***ed like that!
Liv Hail is sad
I didn't know RockFox forks were a thing, like Shigura brakes or SRAMano XT AXS drivetrains.
Do girls not want the long, low and slack bikes with 160-180 travel like boys do?
Just asking
Men and women on average do not have the same torso:leg length ratio, so what fits a man of the same height will not necessarily fit a woman.
I was shopping for my GF. And at the time, Liv didn't even have a decent bike that could fit her, so she has two "non gender specific" (or whatever) bikes that do...sorta (one is slightly too big).
Santa cruz/Juliana just paints their bikes a different colour
Pivot changes the "touch points" eg grips, saddle
Liv actually do a WHOLE custom frame with geo to suit people with longer legs and shorter torsos.
I sold them for years. If a woman doesn't fit the mold of having long legs and short torso, then sometimes a Giant mens bike is the way to go.
Which is probably why she rides "men's" bikes.
Just make size from xs to xxl with matching components. Or make a different frame if it isn't possible on any side of the spectrum.
article:
www.liv-cycling.com/global/about-womens-specific-design
data:
www.liv-cycling.com/global/liv-design-data
at the bottom of that page are the cited sources.
If they would only be doing it for marketing alone they would do it the way Juliana, Trek WS and Scott Contessa do it or did it:
Same frames with other colors and maybe another saddle or grips.
Because my GF gave birth to 4 kids. I think her opinion on bikes "made for women" has more value than any marketing materials.
As a long-legged person I’d recommend not going too long on the reach, fitting a long dropper post and properly high rise bars. There’s also an argument for chainstay lengths not being as short (partly for pedalling, partly because your hips are further back when standing) and for steeper seat angles.
It’s long-torso short-leg people that ran into more fit issues but modern geometry has pretty much fixed that.
Also in other words, female bike sizing with shorter reach is bullshit if you want to base it on body proportions, it should be the other way around.
They also mention the ratios are different for different regions/races but I couldn't quickly find a reference that compares them.
I'm saying "women specific" is not useless, we just need smaller bike with smaller component for smaller people. This include women, childs, smaller man, etc.
There are more points to take care looking for better bike fitting, that's all.
You guys high or just shilling for one of the "big S's"?
Tektro = lower end TRP. Both are just fine.
Over 6000 miles on Tektro Orion 725 4pot + 2pot on a 55lb 28mph e-commuter that gets loaded and rallied on 20% grades and gravel - no problem.
Kinda cheap bendy levers, but cheap and easy to replace. Easy to work on. Small parts available from friendly guys in Utah here (unlike shimano).
Shop sees plenty of eMTBS with TRP Quadiems, e-city bikes with basic Vela or equivalent... seriously have more issues w/ Shimano and Magura out of the box than with either T.
Do I prefer the ergonomics of Shimano and the feel of properly set up Magura on the trail? Yeah.. But that's personal.
Point being Tektro makes perfectly fine affordable brakes.
If they were the same they wouldn't use different brands.
Their cargo bike version is a heavy, cheaper to make version of a DH brake and both work just fine.
@DizzyNinja didn't take it personally, shared field experience of the product working reliably and as intended - and above expectation for the price point.
Yeah, there's nicer stuff out there, and you may wish it were specced on a given bike, but calling TRP or Tektro "hot garbage" or "should be illigal" is simply incorrect from a performance, reliability, value, serviceability and (US) customer support perspective. (Never said I would brag about them either. Said they do the job consistently)
It's a valid criticism to point out the brakes do not match the intended use case of that bike. But, yeah, they'll work and I understand its a way to keep costs down.