Magura 2015 Launch: Wireless fork and Shock Controls, Four-Piston Brake Calipers, and Much More

May 21, 2014
by Richard Cunningham  

Magura Camp: 2014
BY: R Cunningham

Magura Direct is the North American wing of the famous German brake and suspension maker, and it also distributes a range of quality cycling accessories that are made in Germany and the Netherlands. Pinkbike was invited to Magura Direct's tenth annual product launch in Sedona, Arizona, to learn about and test ride Magura's latest braking and suspension systems, as well as eyewear and helmets from Uvex; inflation devices, tools and mudguards from SKS; and a new all-mountain tire from Vredestein. We also learned at the launch, that Magura Direct will also be taking on tech support for Bosch e-bike power assist units in North America. Test bikes were provided by Norco, Pivot and Specialized, and e-bikes from Lapierre and Haibike were also on hand. Magura's traditional location at the Agave resort gave us access to Sedona's red rock trails from the doorsteps of our cottages. Good food, perfect weather and some of the area's best guides ensured that no journalist went home with fresh legs. In case you suspect that Magura Direct's product launches are poorly masked excuses for us to shred technical trails in mountain bike paradise, we prepared the following reports:
Magura Direct




Magura MT Next Brakes

Magura MT7 Next brake 2015
  We rode Magura's MT7 Next AM/trail brakes in Sedona and can report that our initial impressions were very promising. The organic pads, combined with the new four-piston caliper and additional squeeze power at the levers, added up to seamless modulation and far more stopping power than we imagined was possible from Magura. MT7 brakes are reported to weigh 355 grams per side and cost $320 USD.


Magura's MT series brakes, once considered groundbreaking for their light weight, drag-free performance and German reliability, had slipped back a few notches against competition from the likes of Shimano, Formula and Avid as members of the long-travel trailbike revolution began to demand significantly more stopping power. Magura's response, as usual, was delayed by the fact that its engineering staff steadfastly refuses to be driven by its marketing wing to rush a new project. Magura's latest MT Next brake series incorporates a lot of improvements in the lever assembly and a couple of significant innovations at the caliper. The result is more power and better ergonomics throughout the lineup and an all-new design for all-mountain and enduro riders.

Lever-pivot location: Magura changed the pivot locations of the two-finger MT brake levers to increase power and also to obtain a more ergonomic squeeze position for riders who prefer to run the lever closer to the grip, or for people with smaller hands. Both aluminum and carbon levers are offered at different price points, and there is a tool-free reach adjustment feature on the upper-end models.

Bite-point adjustment: MT6, MT7 and MT8 brakes feature a tool-less contact-point adjustment dial that can be removed and reversed, also without tools, so it can easily be configured for North American or Moto-style riders.

magura MT7 Next brake lever cutaway 2015
  Cutaways of the MT7 lever (left) and master cylinder reveal that Magura reduced the size of its piston assembly, and the superior internal finish of the injection-molded resin master cylinder. Note the well-rounded bleed port in the upper right side of the master cylinder.


Two calipers: MT Next brakes are separated into two groups: even-numbered designations - MT2, 4, 6 and 8 brakes are primarily for cross-country/trail use and feature conventional two-piston calipers; while the MT5 and MT7 brakes sport a new four-piston caliper and are designated for DH, all-mountain and enduro use. Both calipers use magnetic pistons to ensure drag-free pad retraction and also to further ease the job of replacing the top-loading pads. The pistons are offset slightly to put asymmetric pressure on the pads - which reduces noise and optimizes braking forces. Banjo-type hose connections ensure optimum hose-routing for every frame and fork.

Four brake pads: Taking a cue from its BMW Moto braking systems, Magura adapted its four-pad, four-piston caliper for MT7 and MT5 brakes. The arrangement is reported to maximize squeeze force and also to reduce heat buildup, as the lead pads capture more heat, leaving the trailing pads cooler and more effective. In addition, the individual pad configuration also allows designers to add a central bridge in the forged-aluminum caliper that adds significant strength and stiffness to the caliper with a minimal weight penalty.

magura MT7 Next brake lever 2015 details
  (Clockwise) Magura's tool-less lever-reach adjustment, The MT7 brake uses Magura's forged aluminum lever (top), while the XC oriented MT8 brake features the carbon fiber version. They are interchangeable. Magura's pad contact dial can be switched from top to bottom without tools. Another look at the pad contact dial, which only needs one-half turn for its full range of adjustment.


Magura MT7 Next brake caliper 2015
  Four pads and four pistons: Magura's Next caliper design allows for a third reinforcement arch, while its four individual top-loading pads can still be removed or replaced without removing the brake from the frame.


New Master cylinder design: Magura retains its "Carbotecture" injection-molded carbon-reinforced-resin lever body design, but the master cylinder has been reduced in size, and the bleed port has been reconfigured to extend the life of the sliding cup-seals. The advantage of Magura's fiber-reinforced plastic lever body is that the ports and sliding surfaces can be molded with smoother surfaces and with greater precision than metal parts, and at similar strengths and lighter weights. MT Next levers are ambidextrous, and thus, do not require bleeding to switch right-to-left on the handlebar. Depending upon the price point, the clamps are either carbon fiber or aluminum, and they now feature Torx retention screws, not the previous, easy-to-strip, aluminum nuts.

Same mineral oil: Magura was a leader in using mineral oil for its bicycle braking systems, well before the disc brake revolution, so it should come as no surprise that all of its mountain brakes still run on mineral oil.

Thicker rotors: Magura brake rotors are a full, two-millimeters thick to help them stay cooler, more true when heated, and to offer more stability to the system. The industry standard is 1.7 millimeters thick.

Magura MT7 Next brake caliper 2014
  Magura's BMW four-piston motorcycle brake was the inspiration for its Next, MTB caliper. The pistons are slightly offset so they will create even pressure when the pads are under maximum braking loads.


Prices and weights:

Cross Country:
• MT2 - 365 grams, $100 per side (Cast, two-piston caliper, Carbotecture (resin) lever and body, reach adjust only)
• MT4 - 345 grams, $160 per side (Forged-aluminum two-piston caliper, aluminum lever, reach adjustment, resin lever-body)
• MT6 - 370 grams, $270 per side (Forged-aluminum two-piston caliper, aluminum lever, tool-less reach adjustment, pad-contact adjustment, resin lever-body)
• MT8 - 299 grams, $370 per side (Forged-aluminum two-piston caliper, Carbon lever, tool-less reach adjustment, pad-contact adjustment, resin lever-body, carbon clamp)
All Mountain:
• MT5 - 380 grams, $200 per side (Forged-aluminum four-piston caliper, aluminum lever, reach adjustment, resin lever-body)
• MT7 - 355 grams, $320 per side (Forged-aluminum four-piston caliper, aluminum lever, tool-less reach adjustment, pad-contact adjustment, resin lever body)




Magura TS8 150 eLECT Fork and Shock

Magura Direct Camp 2014
  During Magura's press camp, we had a chance to ride the TS8 eLECT fork in the 150-millimeter version, set up on a Pivot Mach 6. Most of the time, we had it on automatic and it felt wonderfully seamless. The automatic clockout feature only gave us trouble when we had to hit Sedona's many steep, stepped climbs with some speed, where the stiff fork robbed momentum.


Magura launched its wireless, electronically controlled eLECT fork at this same camp last year and Pinkbike's Mike Levy has the full story about how the system performs in the real world in this long-term review. The big news this year, was that Magura added the feature to its shock. Magura's eLECT system has a brain inside the fork's compression damper that uses an accelerometer to sense one full degree of change in the bike's angle of attack. When that happens, in "automatic" mode, it signals the damper to close and sends a signal to the shock, which does the same. Touch a remote control on the handlebar and it will switch the system off automatic, and revert to manual mode. In manual mode, the shock and fork can be locked out or opened with one push of the button. In both automatic or manual mode, the eLECT system senses when the bike is either airborne or dropping off a ledge and instantly opens the fork and shock - and if something goes wrong, the system defaults to open mode. ELECT's wireless system is reported to save over 15 grams per side, when compared to a cable-actuated remote system, due to the weight of steel cables and housings.

Magura Direct Camp 2014
  The pre-production version of Magura's wirelessly actuated eLECT TS shock uses a small servo-motor to operate the lockout through the shock's low-speed compression circuit. The eLECT brain in the fork can switch the shock off automatically, or the rider can do it using the handlebar remote.


Magura designed the eLECT system for XC racing, trail riding and enduro, and its engineers paid special attention to making it very lightweight and user friendly. The system turns itself off after five minutes of non-operation and can be recharged with a USB cable. Run times are averaging 40 hours which, for most riders, works out to recharging once a month. The entire computer brain, battery, piezo-electric lockout motor, and wireless communication system is squeezed into a 20-millimeter cap, and the stem of the fork's compression damper. The shock's actuation device is piggybacked above the rebound dial. Because the housing requires a special threaded boss, there is no aftermarket eLECT kit for Magura shocks. Magura offers the eLECT system in a dedicated shock and as an option for its 80, 100 and 150-millimeter-travel TS8 29er forks. The eLECT TS8 fork MSRP is $1400 USD and is reported to weigh 1681 grams in the 80-millimeter version. Magura also offers a retrofit kit for all 2010 or later TS6 and TS8 forks for a wallet-challenging $650 USD. There is no set price on the eLECT shock at this time.

The Magura eLECT system makes a great case for electronic suspension controls with its clean, wireless operation and the ability to coordinate the action of the fork and shock either automatically, or with a push of a remote button. We foresee the day when dropping the seatpost will automatically trigger the fork and shock to open up, and raising it will automatically set the suspension to a firmer-pedaling "trail" mode. When asked if Magura could make such a thing happen, high-ranking officials at the launch indicated that it was already beyond the discussion stages. We hope so, because such a system would be perfect for longer travel trailbikes,




Magura's top tech guy in North America, Mike Mentione.



Magura eLECT Damper Installation

While we were testing Magura's newest version of the 150-millimeter-travel TS8 fork, we asked their top suspension tech and sales guru, Mike Mentione to run through the process to install the eLECT system into the stock fork. The $650 kit includes everything that you'd need to install it at home, and after watching Mike run through it once, it would be safe to say that a reasonably proficient home mechanic could breeze through the task in 30 minutes. The two special tools needed are a 28-millimeter socket to unscrew the original compression damping cartridge and a special spline tool that is included in the kit to tighten the eLECT damper into the fork. The other tools you'll need should already be in your box: Torx screwdrivers, a 1/2-inch ratchet, and a pin spanner.

What's Inside the Fork

Magura's TS8 forks use a two-piece damper cartridge. The lower section contains the rebound circuit, while the upper section is the compression stack. The compression damper assembly slides into a socket at the upper end of the rebound housing, which allows Magura fork owners to remove or change the compression module without taking the fork from the bike - and without spilling any suspension fluid. Those who opt for the eLECT system can switch back to the original damper any time and, in anticipation of this, eLECT kits include extra O-rings.


how to install the Magura eLECT damper in a Magura MT8 fork 2014
  The TS8's DLO3 damper (left) is under the blue compression knob on the right stanchion. All the bits that come in the eLECT kit lay to the right of the small Torx screwdriver. The black section of the DLO3 damping cartridge (right) is the rebound module, the silver compression stack slides into the red socket.


how to install the Magura eLECT damper in a Magura MT8 fork 2014
  Remove the black plastic cap and unscrew the two T8 screws that retain the blue compression dial. Put the bits in a safe place and then unscrew the compression damper counter clockwise with the 28mm socket wrench. Slide out the damper carefully so as not to spill any fluid.


Magura eLECT fork 2014
  The new compression damper has a USB charging port and an on-off switch. Screw it into the stanchion tube by hand and then use a ratchet and the included two-lug spline tool to tighten it between 4 and 6 Newton-meters. Next, use a pin spanner (right) to rotate the eLECT module until arrow points forward.


how to install the Magura eLECT damper in a Magura MT8 fork 2014
  The arrow must point forward to allow the accelerometers to sense when the bike is level. Turn the switch to 'on' and screw on the black protective cap. The system turns itself off in five minutes of inactivity, so there is no need to access the on-off button unless you plan to store or transport your bike. Next, install the battery inside the remote lever (right) and clamp it to the handlebar to complete the installation.


The eLECT's wireless function is activated by pressing the remote button for three seconds, after which, it will flash orange until the system syncs, and then turns green. The bike is then placed on level ground and the button on the fork crown is depressed for three seconds to orient the eLECT compression damper. The damper button will flash three times and then you are good to go. Later, if you only want the automatic lockout to kick in on steep hills, you can elevate the front tire to replicate the grade, hold the button down and re-orient the damper. Magura may have invented the easiest remote lockout system made - electric or mechanical.




UVEX Helmets and Eyewear

Uvex Quatro Pro helmet 2014
  UVEX's entry into the North American-style enduro half-shell helmet market is the Quatro Pro. The wing is a fashion statement, but the adjustable visor, quick adjust ratcheting buckle and maximum-coverage, in-molded shell design are the real deal.


UVEX helmets are made in Germany, and as one may expect, they are well constructed, with much attention to detail. This year, UVEX released a half-shell North American-style enduro helmet called the Quatro, that features a lower back, extra strength in the shell, a raised channel for a goggle strap in the rear and cleaner looking, ventilation ports. UVEX developed a quick release camera mount for the Quatro, which it sells separately, and a separate lighting mount dedicated to the powerful Lupine lighting systems. Two Quatro models are available, with the Pro featuring a stylized wing shape in the rear, and the standard model without the wing. Two shell sizes are available that work out to X-small/small, and medium/large sizes, Black/red and balck/silver are the default colorways, with more colors to come. Weight is stated at 295 grams and the MSRP is $180 for the Pro and $160 USD for the standard Quatro.
UVEX

Uvex Quatro enduro helmet 2015
  The standard model Quatro (sans wing) is our favorite. Its lines are simple and the fit is much more secure feeling than the basic hyper-ventilated beer cooler XC-lid. The rotary tensioner for the head band is easy to use with gloved hands.


Inside the Quatro, a full 360-degree micro-adjustable head band provides a secure and comfortable fit and molded-in bug netting keeps the hornets out. The headband is vertically adjustable, which is an important feature for any helmet that drops low in the back, The shell is in-molded, as is the bug netting, which looks sharp and s proven to increase the impact protection of the helmet to a degree. The visor is adjustable - a major plus for helmets in the enduro/AM category, and the chin strap buckle features UVEX's Fastrap bayonet - ratcheting closure which can be quickly adjusted to add or release tension without fussing with webbing and buckles. Quatro helmets pass EN 1078, TUV GS, CE and CPSC standards.

Uvex eyewear 2014
  UVEX stands for 'ultraviolet exclusion' - so it should come as no surprise that they specialize in eyewear. This year UVEX expanded its range of Variomatic, light-reactive models, which are now becoming the go-to for trail riders. Vario glasses range from $130 to $200, while UVEX's conventional sport eyewear ranges in price from $30 to $160.




SKS Accessories

SKS quick release MTB fenders 2014
  SKF's Shock Blade front fender (around $30 at shops) snaps to an expandable mount in the bottom of the fork's steerer tube. Pushing a release button on the fender allows the rider to remove it for sunny days. The X-Blade quick release rear mudguard (also around $30 at shops) can be adjusted to fit just about any seatpost and frame arrangement. The articulating visor in the front section of the fender can be angled to deflect crud when the X-Blade is set high for longer-travel bikes. Fatbike versions are in the works.


SKS is also from Germany, where it manufactures a wide variety of bicycle accessories - mostly related to poor weather and bad fortune. For poor weather, SKS is an industry leader in quality fenders and mud guards, To make the best of a road or trail-side mechanical, SKS makes a variety of mini-pumps, multi-tools and Co2 inflation devices to get you back on your wheels. SKS also makes some shop-quality floor pumps that actually stand the test of time, so after you realize that you have been fighting that cheap piece of junk pump ever since it was new, shop SKS's floor pump range and replace it with the real deal.
SKS Germany

SKS Airmenius floor pump 2014
  Named after the Greek god of air, the Airmenius is the top dog in the SKS range. The shaft is oversized, its handle is padded with cork, the air cylinder is aluminum and a wide, and a heavy, cast-metal base ensures that the God of Floor Pumps will stay put when he's not being evoked to inflate a tire. The pressure gauge reads in two psi increments or one tenth of a BAR, and it's huge, so it can be read accurately. The Airmenius retails for around $125 at better bike shops.




Vredestein Tires

Verdestein tires 2014


Vredestein hails from the Netherlands, where the tire maker is well respected for its high performance road racing tires. While its mountain bike range has had measured success in the XC realm, this season marks its first serous effort to enter a tire into the far more aggressive all-mountain/trail environment. The Bobcat is a very promising AM/trail tire design, studded with large, well-spaced tread blocks that are molded from a double-durometer rubber compound. Pronounced edging blocks are lined up in a continuous row to provide deep cornering security, and a 120 thread-count casing ensures that the Bobcat will roll fast on level ground. Vredestein only makes the Bobcat in a full-width, tubeless-ready, 2.35-inch casing - and it actually measures 2.35 inches when mounted to AM-width rims. Bobcats are presently available in 29 and 27.5-inch wheel sizes, with claimed weights at 800 and 600 grams, respectively. Bobcats for 26-inch-wheel bikes are expected to appear later this year. We took a pair of Bobcats home for testing, so you should expect to hear the full story on this new contender in the AM/enduro arena soon.
Vredestein

Vredestein Bobcat 2.35 enduro tire 2014
  Vredestein's Bobcat AM/enduro tire could find traction anywhere in Sedona. Large, widely spaced tread blocks appear as if they would slow the tire down, but it rolls quite fast.




Bosch E-Bike Tech Support

Bosch powered Lapierre E-bike 2014
  Lapierre's Overvolt e-bike offers a 250-percent increase in your power output and 140-millimeters of suspension on both ends. What does that mean? Imagine blowing through all ten gears as fast as a Moto GP bike, while climbing a rocky uphill. Bosch works with its e-bike customers to 'tune' its computerized assistance motor to their specifications. Evidently, Lapierre ordered a double helping of salsa for the Overvolt. The handlebar remote (left) turns the system on and off, and selects the degree of assistance. The display indicates battery life, projected range, speed and distance, and your present power selection.'Turbo,' the only one we tried, is good for 21 miles. The removable battery is the bike's most expensive component.


Bosch and Magura Direct partnered to provide technical support and service for the German electronic firm's e-bike power units in North America. Bosch does not make bicycles, only the drive systems, and it has captured the upper-end of the global e-bike market in just a few short years. Lapierre provided a dual-suspension and a hardtail e-bike for guests to try out at Magura camp, and Haibike also had a dual-suspension e-bike on hand. The Bosch performance drive contains a reduction gearbox that incorporates the crank axle, Which appears to be a Truvativ-compatible spline. An internal computer reads the rider's torque output and crank RPM, and then adds up to 250-percent of the rider's output. Those brave enough to try the bikes began to call the Bosch system 'E-PO,' or 'E-doping' after Amgen's infamous blood booster. And, how does the system perform on technical dirt? Let's just say that no existing KOM would be safe in Sedona if the Forest Service allowed e-bikes on the trail network. They don't.
Bosch E-Drives





165 Comments

  • 124 8
 I for one am a big fan of e-bikes. I really like how when I'm 2/3rds the way up a brutal climb some dude who's 40lbs overweight zooms past me and edges me out like we're in the last corner of a 4X race. I think it's awesome how these dudes usually bring larger than average back packs with speakers and blast their music so I can enjoy it as well. Maybe the thing I like the most is how they can't lift their bikes over the gates meant to keep motorcycles out so they cut their own trail around the gate. God bless 'em.

I don't see them every time I ride (or even every week), but I do see them with increasing frequency and it certainly makes me a bit concerned for the future of our local trail systems.
  • 73 1
 PinkBike allo?? Stop with the eBike stuff. Form another website and call it Pink-e-Bike. You will make lots of moola and keep us real mtn bikers happy on this site.
  • 7 0
 Just imagine the amount of smug that will come from the guy on the sworks E-epic 29er as he flys up the hill. On a side note, those brakes look legit.
  • 2 2
 Electric Bikes hack up suspensions though.
  • 9 0
 It also looks absolutely hideous! haha
  • 11 1
 it was only a matter of time before the bike industry started capitalising on fat people trying to get fit easy, this thing will compliment walking on a treadmill at a snails pace and drinking copious amounts of diet shakes perfectly
  • 3 2
 I can't believe why these fat people can't stay on a proper diet get fit or ride harder. instead of opting a motorized bicycle.
  • 2 7
flag noxxie (May 22, 2014 at 2:49) (Below Threshold)
 who cares about the bullshit e bike, what about the unmentioned carbon fibre stanchioned rock shox forks on said bullshit e bike?!!!
  • 2 1
 I've seen this guy slashnasty. He is showing up to my local trails more and more often. HUGE backpack with music blasting out from his speakers. I don't get it??
  • 2 0
 @moefosho,

hahah, "the amount of smug", love the South Park reference. Going to spend the rest of the day now pretending to sniff my own farts.
  • 6 0
 sorry, can't go riding, my fork is out of batteries.
  • 2 0
 E bikes are so wrong. It is like a climber would take the escalator to the top.
  • 3 0
 carbon stanchions? i think not....
  • 1 0
 hmm on closer inspection the image is just pixellated, it totally looked like weave to me
  • 74 10
 Electric MTN Bikes , forks , shocks F*** off !!!!!!

Everything so gadgety these days yet its nothing like the Jetsons TV program
  • 28 62
flag Terrafire (May 21, 2014 at 16:51) (Below Threshold)
 Sounds like you should buy a fixie and go away then.
  • 21 3
 agree about the bikes, but the fork and shock are really cool. pedaling the bike is the foundation of cycling, and I am 100% out and gunning for e-bikes to GET THE f*ck OUT but on the other hand, flipping a switch on your suspension was never really part of the sport to begin with, so I'm not against eliminating it.
  • 18 3
 While wearing spandex: "You guys beat me on the climb today, because I forgot to charge my fork and I can't lock it out."
  • 10 1
 yeah i don't mind any of the electronic shocks remotes and derailleurs . but i don't like the idea of having a motor on a bike
  • 2 0
 Yea, Glenno. Next thing you know bikes will auto-climb so we can text while going uphill. The eff outta herrre
  • 3 1
 E-Bikes are like liposuction for fat asses
  • 2 2
 Very few of us are not hating these electronic sh*ts. Why still pumping them into our faces???
  • 1 1
 For future rides, don't forget to put on your check list that multi plug. E-bullshit...
  • 3 1
 For people with health issues, or older people, electric bikes do make sense.
  • 3 0
 Cant wait to get some Wireless Brakes...
  • 67 6
 Ebikes are motorcycles and do not belong on non motorized bike or multiuse trails. Because they have a motor. End of discussion. If I buy an electric car I still don't get to drive on the sidewalk.
  • 26 39
flag b45her (May 21, 2014 at 17:35) (Below Threshold)
 nope, the bosch system is electric ASSIST it simply amplifies your leg power, if you stop pedaling the bike stops. it also only assists up to 15mph after that your on your own, no assist at all. i've ridden one and they are incredible fun, makes the whole trail fun not just the downward parts.
  • 17 5
 So... explain to me exactly how it does this without a motor?
  • 27 30
 it has a motor but is not a motorcycle in any way shape or form, they can be ridden on any trail or road by any person without any licence or insurance they are regarded by the letter of the law as a bicycle (at least uk/european law)

the whole " trail hippy" lets be one with nature thing doesn't really exist in europe where these bikes were designed.
besides the system itself was initially made for shopping bikes to make it easier for old or less fit people to get out on a bike rather than driving.

even set to "turbo" mode they chuck out about 0.5 of a horsepower its hardly going to pull your arms of, they are just a way for less fit or able people to enjoy riding bikes, shame this offends you so much.
  • 17 9
 But here's my point. If it has a motor, which applies power to one or both of the wheels, it is by definition 'Motorized' I don't see how this could be open to interpretation. I get this as an aid for commuters, shoppers and the like, but let's call it what it is, which is a form of motorcycle. It's literally a bicycle with a motor attached and mountain bike trails which are almost always designated either legally or ethically as 'Non Motorized' are no place for this type of machine. The can of worms that considering such a device to be non motorized would open in the ongoing battle for trail legalization over here doesn't even bear thinking about. I don't care if I see one on the road, paved or otherwise, a quad track or on private property ripping up whatever it wants but if I see one on my local public trails I'll lose my shit.
  • 4 0
 Bombing downhill with a smart fork / shock in theory would be awesome ( at some point in the future) but as it stands the tech is not upto par
For what it needs to be , some thing that would constantly adjusts high/ low speed comp. etc. throughout the ride would be awesome
But they're nowhere near that yet, so why even bother with this yet ? off and on for $700 seems kinda pointless
  • 19 7
 like i said europe/uk doesn't have trail hippies, we have very few limitations on where and when we can ride and even where there are restrictions it is almost never enforced, the forestry commission seem to have an unwritten rule of as long as its rollable build whatever the hell you want.
i've even had a few forest ranger/workers offer me shuttles up the hill. with the draconian rules with regard to access you appear to have over the pond i can see your point but in all honesty the whole culture seems to be different here, i dont care who uses the local mountains be they walkers, horses, moto-x bikes or landrovers live and let live, i have my hobbies they have theirs, who am i to judge them.
  • 4 3
 Range rover bumpers hurt when you hit them on your bike
  • 8 1
 b45her dude, I don't think we really have draconian access laws here. I think tinfoils point is more that some zones get shralped by dirtbikes and it ruins the lovingly built trails. It's not about trail hippies, it's about don't f... up my berms that I spent time building. Dirtbikers stick to their zones and mtbikers to theirs and all is well. That said, I don't really see ebikes doing that same sort of damage as they (so far) don't have that much power. Besides, where I live alls we have is steep burly-ass dh chunk and you don't really need a battery and motor to help you with that!
  • 4 1
 Atleast here in Finland, bikes with electric motors that only assist your pedaling (99% are like that i think) are not categorized as motor vehicles. You can roll where ever you like with them...
  • 1 0
 @Syl4R that's actually up to a certain assisted speed (I think 40 km/h), anything beyond that and it has to be registered and insured as a vehicle. That's why "high end" e-cycles are almost non existant in Finland because it's a major hassle to get it street legal (for example the Spez Turbo).
  • 3 0
 @b45her I think your picture of Wales is a bit rosy eyed, sorry. I think if more people hit the cheeky trails here with motorized bikes then that would result in a clampdown on all mountain biking except in official venues. I know a few locals who complain about us lot on the Cardiff trails as it is, widespread ebike use would only tip that balance further against us. Look at Highmeadow Woods - just over the border into England, that is FC owned but it got too popular and now the FC have banned mountain bikes from all except fire roads there. If the top of Rhondda escapes all this it's because it's a bit harder to get to. Luckily with the cost of ebike batteries this problem is still 10 years away, and hopefully we can campaign for the right to ride footpaths before that shitstorm hits us. I agree the moto guys need a place to ride but realistically that will never be as many places as mtb are allowed so we need to set ourselves apart from moto as a sport.
  • 3 1
 @tinfoil It's a pedal ASSISTED bike. If you don't pedal it doesn't go anywhere. While your point may be true for full on ebikes where the bike can propel itself along at the push of a button, this one doesn't. So to call it a motorbike is a bit silly. It's a motor-assist bike.
  • 2 2
 It is basically a "pedal and pop" (with a "zzzzzz" instead of a pop unfortunately), which as far as I am aware classes as a scooter/moped? So basically they not pushbikes anymore...
  • 2 1
 Pedal and pop mopeds didn't require pedal input for the entire duration of forward movement. So were propelled by an engine. This is not the same as all the technical documentation on the lapierre site point to it amplifying pedal input, not replacing pedalling.
  • 2 2
 I know it's Wikipedia but this reads like a description of the bike above. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorized_bicycle
  • 1 2
 "the motorized bicycle is in technical terms a true bicycle, albeit a power-assisted one. However, for purposes of governmental licensing and registration requirements, the type may be legally defined as a motor vehicle, motorcycle, moped, or a separate class of hybrid vehicle."

Just kind of proves my point really. It is technically called a bicycle, unless classed as otherwise by the government... which i'm sure this one isn't.
  • 2 2
 "May be" so it doesn't matter if it is defined as such by the government or not, if it is a power assisted bike it is the same classification as a petrol powered assisted bike a.k.a pedal and pop.
  • 2 2
 It completely matters because this bike doesn't meet the requirements for being classed in the same category as a petrol powered bike, pedal and pop or to be ludicrously called a motorbike as tinfoil suggested.

"In the United Kingdom, e-bikes are classed as standard bicycles providing the motor's maximum continuous rated power output does not exceed 200 W for bicycles, 250W for bicycle tandems (i.e. two seaters) and 250W for tricycles,[26] and cuts out once the bike reaches 15.5 mph (24.9 km/h). It must also be under 40 kg (88 lb) for a bicycle, or 60 kg for a tricycle."

From the bike radar review of this particular bike by lapierre:
"In accordance with EU law, the machine is limited to a top speed of 25kph. The motor phases out assistance as it hits the limit, three sensors measure cadence, speed and pedalling force to smoothly apply power when needed, and the 32-bit processor samples inputs 1,000 times a second."

You see now? It's still classed as a bicycle.
  • 2 1
 So legally you are right and literally I am right. I like literal meaning more than law but I guess that is down to ones outlook...
  • 2 3
 Kinda glanced over this bit from your own wiki source then?
"the motorized bicycle is in technical terms a true bicycle"

Literally, it's a bicycle. Legally, it's a bicycle.

A pedal and pop could accelerate without a rider pedalling. The lapierre cannot as you need to pedal to accelerate. The electric motor exaggerates pedal input, it doesn't pedal for you. They aren't the same thing. Nothing you've said so far is correct, i don't know how much more simply it needs to be explained.
  • 2 2
 Not really missing it at all... "power assisted bicycle" of course means it is a type "bicycle", it is in the name, but it wouldn't be classed as just a bicycle for racing purposes, so it is still a class apart, even if it comes under the umbrella in a wider meaning.

Also lets clarify, you can get electric bikes that will drive away as you say some pedal and pops do; without the rider pedalling. I know that some pedal and pops were assist engines, they would stop running when you stopped pedalling. I know from my being around motorbikes and bikes all my life, I have ridden a pedal and pop before at a motor show, a friend had it for show. I don't remember a make or model sadly or I would look it up but but hell that was about 20 years ago now.

So what is the difference except one is petrol derived and the other is electric? Both require a person to pedal while the engine does the majority or work and neither will drive themselves, both are bicycles with engines attached which "assist" the rider.
  • 2 1
 How many times NO. It is a Moped and has to be registered as such. The pedals are to start it as they do not have a Kick or Electric start. Unless you can find any details of a pedal-assist-only pedal and pop then i can only presume you're memory is somewhat mixed up.
  • 1 2
 Who would ever imagined such a simple concept could be so hard to grasp.

The sign at the trail head say " No motorized vehicles"

E-Bike = motorized assist, thus has a motor.

So not allowed on trail. How much simpler can it be.

Yes a bicycle falls under the definition of vehicle.
  • 1 3
 Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

It is literally a (bi)cycle with a motor (That makes "motorcycle" when you put it together by the way). It's pretty simple. Just because it has mountain bike components bolted all over it doesn't mean it belongs on the trails any more than a moped or a dirt bike. I don't think horsepower or level of assist should come into this at all, the point is that I and many others believe that motor vehicles, a class that this thing belongs to, have no place on trails, particularly when they are expressly banned as part of the agreement allowing that trail to exist in the first place.
  • 4 0
 Are you narrow minded or do you not understand how it works? How do you not see that this is different? How is this going to damage your precious trails? Same size tyres as a mountain bike, can't be rev'ed round berms, only pedalled same as a mountain bike. It will do no more destruction than someone on a basic mountain bike but with super huge calf muscles.

It's basically a fancy gear system, that's it. It isn't motor-only driven which is the key point. A motor-only driven bike or "motorbike" as you say can destroy the trail because it can torque round berms and fling mud around uncontrollably. This one NEEDS TO BE PEDALLED!

It is the same as switching from single speed to gears, only this is switching from gears to massively more efficient gears.
  • 3 0
 I think @krisboats summarized it pretty well.
  • 2 3
 I'll summarize it even better.
any motor = not allowed on trail.
  • 3 1
 That's a very narrow minded viewpoint but i'll play ball. Why? What damage is this going to do to the trail then?
  • 2 2
 It doesn't matter why. When you get pulled over for speeding do you argue with why the speed limit is what it is?
The law is simple here, 'No Motorized Vehicles'

I wouldn't doubt if its as simple as keeping enforcement simple.
  • 2 0
 No i don't, but i do check that the speed limit is correct. Which is what you clearly haven't done regarding electric assist bikes. Maybe you should check the law in your country.....

"As a general rule, it is illegal to operate motor vehicles on bicycle lanes or paths. However, motor vehicles may cross over a bicycle lane when making a turn, entering or leaving an alley, private road or driveway, in the course of official duty, or when a farm vehicle is pulling into a bicycle lane to allow faster vehicles to overtake and pass. "

Okay, so i take it given that you haven't taken the time to read about how this bike works, you read that part above and stopped there.... missing this subsection which IS VERY CLEAR.

"In addition, a motorized wheelchair may be operated on a bicycle lane or path and a motor assisted scooter may be ridden upon a bicycle lane or path, but only if it has a gas engine smaller than 35 ccs or an electric motor that produces less than 1,000 watts, and the machine is not capable of speeds greater than 24 miles per hour on level ground. ORS 801.348. A moped, which generally has a higher motor output than a motor assisted scooter or bicycle, may not be operated on a bicycle lane or path at all, unless it is being operated exclusively by human power. ORS 801.440(1)."

"An electric assisted bicycle may also be operated on a bicycle lane or path so long it has fully operative pedals for human propulsion, an electric motor with power output of less than 1,000 watts, and a top speed less than 20 miles per hour on level ground."

Taken from here:
www.stc-law.com/bikerightlaw.html
  • 3 0
 It may also be worth looking at this regarding the classification of an e-bike under U.S federal law: www.eco-wheelz.com/docs/fed-regulation.pdf

"Federal law says that an electrically driven bicycle is considered a "bicycle" and the laws of bicycles
apply if:
o Electrically driven bicycle has less than 750 watt motor
o Functional pedals
o Max speed is less than 20mph
· The Federal law shall supersede any State law or requirement with respect to low-speed
electric bicycles. (The state must regulate the electric bicycle as a bicycle)"

"An electric bike is legally a bicycle, so you can use it wherever and however you're able to use a standard bicycle. But additional laws governing the operation and safety of electric bikes may be extended by state or local governments."
www.eco-wheelz.com/electric-bike-laws.php

I don't think i really need to say any more on this as you clearly don't know what you're on about.
  • 4 1
 trail hippies you just got pwned.
  • 1 1
 "In the USA, it can get very confusing to understand what is legal and what is not, with an electric bicycle.

****Part of the confusion is caused by the Federal law, which has often been quoted by people selling electric bikes. To begin with, this federal definition applies only to selling an e-bike. ****

As a retailer, it matters to your insurance company whether you are selling a “bike”, a “motorcycle”, or some vaguely defined toy.

For what its worth, if you are selling an e-bike, the consumer product safety act HR 727 defines an e-bike as—

Two or three wheels

Fully operable pedals

750 watts maximum

Maximum speed of less than 20-MPH on the motor only, on level ground, with a 170 pound rider."
  • 2 0
 Funny you should quote that article. Further down past your irrelevant quote was this little gem....

"You may have local laws about mopeds or motor vehicles on the, hiking, bike or multi-use trails for example. Pay particular attention to the exact wording of the signs if any. “No Motor Vehicles”, does not ban an e-bike IF, your state does not define an e-bike as a motor vehicle. "

So as federal law supersedes state law, and the very clear section of federal law i posted earlier defines this lapierre bike as a bicycle, not a motor vehicle. Then the "no motor vehicles" signs that you keep banging on about do not apply.

Thanks for showing that article, kinda hit the final nail in your coffin with that one.
  • 2 0
 In the UK we have it really simple. This is our page regarding electric assist bikes. www.gov.uk/electric-bike-rules

Once you yanks realise there is a huge difference between a simple low speed ebike and a mtx bike i can imagine it will be pretty much the exact same rule we have here. Mind you, you'll need to let go of some misconceptions and be open to new ideas. From the replies on here that looks like it might take a while.
  • 1 0
 That's where you're mistaken. State law can not be less strict, but it can be stricter. States can not dictate laws in a federal park, but they do in state parks, just as a county can have stricter rule than the state and those apply in a county park.
  • 1 0
 As i wrote above...

"The Federal law shall supersede any State law or requirement with respect to low-speed
electric bicycles. (The state must regulate the electric bicycle as a bicycle)"

If what you say is true how can california be less strict on smoking marijuana than the federal law, which dictates that marijuana is illegal in all uses? I thought in cases where state and federal law have a difference of opinion, federal law takes precedent.

By the way, i'm not trying to be argumentative. I just find it interesting as it's a somewhat different system to what we have here. If a county park puts a sign up saying something is against the rules in that park then it isn't really enforceable under uk law. It's more like a guideline. A park saying no bbq's on park grounds wouldn't be something you could be fined over. You'd just get a slap on the wrist and be told to clear it all up. You could be prosecuted for littering though if a police officer was in a particularly unforgiving mood.
  • 1 0
 California allows it and state and local police will not enforce it, but federal agency's will.

Trust me this is not a road you want to start down, our system of laws and Federal vs. State powers is ridiculous.

I work with hazardous waste, if you think something as simple as an Ebike should be straightforward, I could make your head spin with the BS we deal with.

I'm not being argumentative either, just saying that you took a tiny snippet of the federal regs, that someone trying to sell you a product posted and thinks it's that simple. US law/Regulations just aren't.
  • 2 0
 I believe I may have been referred to as a "yank" up there, if indirectly. That stings a little.

Anyway, since now we're quoting broad and in many cases cobbled together laws that were never created with the aforementioned situation in mind, let me jump in.

Leaving aside any moral obligation to regard a motorized vehicle as such in situations banning motor vehicles, one could certainly point out that in just about every jurisdiction I can find, e-bikes are considered bicycles and governed as such.

But tinfoil, you cry, you've just defeated your own argument!

No. I haven't. Here's why, at least in Canada - which incidentally is where I live.

This little guy here passes the buck nicely to municipalities in Canada. "Any municipal by-law prohibiting bicycles from highways under their jurisdiction also apply to e-bikes. Municipalities may also pass by-laws specific to e-bikes that prohibit them from municipal roads, sidewalks, bike paths, bike trails, and bike lanes under their jurisdiction." Many have gone ahead and taking the federal government up on it, banning e-bikes from "natural surface pathways intended for hiking or mountain biking" (Gatineau Parks Act). For example, our largest city:
  • 2 0
 "The Province of Ontario has amended the Ontario Highway Traffic Act, so that electric bicycles (e-bikes) may travel on public roads and highways. Bicycle lanes and park paths are governed by City of Toronto bylaws, not the Highway Traffic Act. City of Toronto bylaws state that a bicycle cannot be propelled by a motor when using multi-use trails or bicycle lanes. If an electric bicycle is being used on a multi-use path, or in a bicycle lane it must be propelled by pedaling alone." (City of Toronto)

You will find similar legislation elsewhere in Canada, particularly in Ontario where e-bikes have popped up enough for people to care and Toronto has taken the lead on banning their motors on multiuse trails.

See also: www.nugget.ca/2012/05/15/council-approves-new-e-bike-rules-for-trails

We also have one more important federal law governing the electric assist bicycle. They can not be capable of achieving a speed greater than 32 kph. The issue with this particular one is that it utilizes a Bosch Performance motor, which, according to the manufacturer's own documentation is capable of achieving speeds of up to 45 kph. This means it can not be classed as a bicycle in Canada, making it illegal for use as anything but a very slow motorcycle.
  • 27 1
 Brace yourself, a shitstorm is about to hit
  • 12 0
 Electric bikes killed my family!
  • 9 0
 THEY TERK ER JEEERRBS
  • 22 5
 Magura are like typical German manufacturers... They over engineer pretty much everything, they are incredibly expensive to get parts for, and they last forever

and doesn't anyone want to put that huge Moto caliper on their bike instead?
  • 27 0
 Nah im waiting for brakeless brakes Wait wut
  • 2 1
 I don't think they last forever at all... I had a set of MT6s on my bike and in a 6 month period I had to the master cylinder assembly warrantied twice on the front brake and once on the rear brake. Bleed screws were stripping and more stupid faults apart from the brakes having close to no power at all. I was extremely dissappointed with my first and LAST experience with Magura. Unlike most german-engineered stuff, they weren't fun at all like an M3 and then broke, they were just always sh*t and extremely frustrating until I got Shimano XTs.
  • 19 0
 i cant even tell you how long i havent wanted a spoiler to be on my helmet.
  • 5 4
 But... But... It's so enduro!
  • 1 1
 Hahahaha
  • 4 0
 It provides downforce so you don't have to do the straps up.
  • 2 0
 But only when you hit 30MPH it electromagnetically pops up!
  • 19 2
 *comment on how anything electric should not be on a bike*
  • 2 0
 *echo chamber agreement reply, decrying increase of technology in bikes, while simultaneously ignoring all the technological advancements included in my modern MTB*
  • 11 0
 I look at electronic stuff this way - if companies are seeking out this avenue, we must be near the end of analog design. MTB will always be an analog sport to me, and it means I'll have to buy stuff less frequently if I want the latest and greatest. Give me a CCDBa, a Pike, and a stiff frame with good geometry and I'm good to go. I'm not sure, other than thru Avy or Suspension Experts, if there's much to improve upon there. Maybe a super smart fork will emerge in the next few years, but I'll be standing pat as long as we're advancing in the areas of e-drivetrains and e-remotes. I could give a shit.
  • 1 0
 True, it'll happen I guess, look at steel hardtails, they've not died out, and people continue to love them! Analogue as you put it won't die off!
  • 15 2
 That Lappierre needs to be set on fire. In a furnace. In the sun.
  • 3 2
 then the ashes incinerated, just to be sure
  • 2 5
 Didn't Europe just post something last week about being so hardcore and creating enduro? Well, they're really showing some true grit right here.
  • 5 0
 Can I take the Pike off it first?
  • 3 0
 @Leeboy7 yeah that damn Europe is at it again! It's not one singular entity by the way. I don't think those "hardcore enduroers" are in any way interested in anything e-related.
  • 1 0
 @maz-o, Yea, I figure that much. Was just stirring the pot a little. Here's to us not depending on electronics to ride in the future. Cheers
  • 12 4
 I will never understand the e bike. If you want a motorized bike get a motorcycle or dirt bike. This is the big debate of the next ten years not the wheel size issue. I don't want these things anywhere near my trails.
  • 6 4
 If I see one on my trails I'll be the first to laugh its owner right out of town.
  • 6 1
 I think E-bikes are making mtb worse by existing, but electric commuter bikes are so nice. I rode the Specialized Turbo a few times this year and that thing is definitely the future. I was able to knock out a quick 14 mile sprint around my town in 30 minutes! Those bikes are a perfect urban slayer for someone who has the cash but doesn't want to pay for gas and insurance like you would on a motorcycle. I personally look forward to the advancement of electric technology in transportation, but for the love of all that is good in life, keep those things off our trails.
  • 11 1
 Hold on guys, my fork isn't done charging yet!
  • 1 1
 Funny!
  • 15 6
 E bikes are for pussies who are to scared to ride a real dirtbike and to lazy to pedal a bicycle.
  • 5 6
 well..that shows clearly that you have no clue..not about dirt bikes , nor about pedelecs Razz
  • 2 1
 Yeah. This is *too true. Cun't agree more!
  • 1 1
 Thats funny I ride both twice a week and have been riding and racing both since I was a kid. Also I live in the dirt motorsports capital of the world. So to say I know nothing? We we will just leave it at that
  • 2 0
 dirt motorsport capital of the world...?? What is that? Pittsburg? Razz ...obviously you have a problem understanding things who are written...no biggy ...ride on.
  • 6 1
 if I ever require an electronic wireless fork or shock to operate my mountain cycle, I will hang my head in shame and sell my ride to the lowest bidder

are riders simply unable to set up a shock, pick a suitable tune, optimal shock for their bike, or pay top $ to have it optimally tuned for their ride?

MTB Inc...continuing to dumb down mountain biking for the lowest common denominator since forever

FAIL
  • 10 3
 Progression in technology is happening. That doesn't mean you have to buy it though.
  • 3 1
 progression in tech, regression in rider competence and knowledge
  • 1 0
 Yep, all we need is a 29er Ebike and we are sorted. hell it will ride itself Smile
  • 10 3
 "Friends don't let friends ride E-bikes"

"Here's a sweet as f*ck E-bike that would totally rip the trails!"

lol k.
  • 4 0
 Well to be honest, that "Friends don't let friends ride E-bikes" article was pretentious and douchy to say the least, and not written by PB staff. Anything electronic seems to be the latest rage amongst some of the bike community, especially newcommers. PB are just going with the flow and broadening its audience. I'm absolutely not interested in anything e-related by the way, but I'm also not insulted whenever it's brought up...
  • 1 2
 then "newcomers" are the problem and need to be educated/shamed
  • 4 1
 So this is what happens when we settle on 27.5
Slating the 29er boys was so much more fun.
Nobody is ever happy with progression.
E bits on bikes. Bring it on. Rather someone riding an ebike than playing playstaion or pink bike trolling writing comments about ebikes when they should be out on their bikes Wink
I remember when we had candles for lights. Then some ball bag invented the dynamo then the battery and bulb. The outrage when the led came out and rechargeable lights as bright as the sun.
DEVELOPMENT AND PROGRESS. bring on revolution not evolution, thinking outside of the box got us to where we are today.

... don't you think that the mature brakes look like jonny 5 from short circuit? Or is it wall-e?
  • 5 0
 think how many candlemakers lost their jobs because of the electric light. it's disgusting and inconsiderate, i prefer my light with a more natural feel, none of this electric crap! i mean firelight has been good enough for thousands of years. why do we even need electric bulbs!
  • 7 1
 i just threw up a little more in my mouth.
  • 5 0
 I personally can't wait for the first company to decide wireless braking is a good idea.
  • 3 0
 Sales pitch - "If the battery dies it immediately reverts to fully locked. Hey at least you won't be riding brakeless!"
  • 6 1
 Can't believe these e-bikes don't come spec'd with lights
Surely no one would want to be seen riding one in broad daylight?
  • 2 0
 Bikes are coming to the point where it shouldn't even be classed as a bike anymore.. its really sad to see this happening. There is far to much technology being put into bikes these days, taking all the fun out of just riding your bike like we are all meant to.
  • 2 0
 The SKS pump is pretty bad, I would not recommend them. I work at a bike shop and we're currently running an SKS pump, which is pretty reliable, but other than that its pretty bad. The dial always reads a wrong pressure now, the hose lever takes 10,000 newtons to operate, and snaps back at your thumb leaving bruises whenever you pull it out, and the darn thing always creates smoke after I release the lever and get another sack on my thumb knuckle...
  • 1 0
 X-Blade quick release rear mudguard...

I have a collection of these type of "strapped on" rear mud guards, found littered along various trails, and in one case tossed quite deliberately into a tree.

Wish SKS would stamp them with a recycling number so I know if I can put them in the blue box.

Should come with a label "Only for Green Trails".
  • 1 0
 This has electric assisted (starts it) petrol engine... Wheels are a bit small though for todays bike market. Is this an ebike? www.yamahamotorsports.com/sport/products/modelspecs/12/0/specs.aspx

Obviously a joke, though tbh it does seem the lines are blurring a bit with electric motors on pushbikes!?
  • 1 0
 "The pistons are slightly offset so they will create even pressure when the pads are under maximum braking loads."

Erm, what?

Seriously, what does this mean. The pistons are offset from where? How does this supposed offset "create more even pressure" More even pressure on what?
  • 1 0
 The moving rotor causes the leading edges of pads to angle into the rotor. The pistons are offset on the pads to compensate for this and thus, there is more even pressure on the brake pads while braking. Good question.
  • 1 0
 Ah, as in the pistons don't push in the center of the pads, but are biased towards the trailing edge of each pad? That makes sense I suppose. I'd be a bit concerned about my pads then wearing at an angle and ruining the piston seals, but looking at the picture of the cutaway caliper I can now see that the offset is only small. Cool idea if it doesn't affect reliability. Thankyou for explaining Smile
  • 1 0
 waaaaaaaait a moment... unless I'm having a full on brain meltdown, looking at that picture again it seems the pistons are offset towards the leading edge of the pad??? Surely this will do the opposite of what has been described, and will almost certainly lead to uneven pad wear (much faster at the leading edge than trailing) causing wonky piston problems and the seal issues (and worse) that come with wonky pistons.
  • 1 0
 I love how some people fight for what they think is innovation and progress. This is just gadgetry stuff to me. I don't really see how some people compare this to Disc brakes or Suspension in general. Talking about the get a fixie comments. Putting a Battery on everything is not really going to change the way you ride significantly other that you will have to charge your bike after a ride. I guess I am trying to say not every new development is better than the old version.
  • 1 0
 Personally I'm not keen on motorised bikes. I build trails in conjunction with the FC and there are plenty of rules regarding trail access and who goes where with what. The group I'm involved with that build have loads of issues repairing trails damaged by MX bikes going up the designated bike trails tearing the S**t out of them. The riders don't seem to like going down the trails. We've had a couple of collisions to (and a few near misses with horse riders going up) I think most people on a fully assisted electric bike would tend to ride up a lot of trails which normal pedal only go down, just like all the moto boys we have problems with like going up the downs. To me any bike with a motor which is able to propel itself without human power is a motorbike. Power assisted I can just about cope with, just don't let em race with the rest of us.
  • 4 0
 Those huge fenders....I don't want my bike to look like a Vespa.....
  • 1 2
 but...so new and cool?
  • 2 0
 Not to mention they used the shitiest micro USB port out there , U look at that charging port wrong and it'll break
How many micro USB phones have I broken ?
  • 3 0
 If the answer is more than none you must be pretty ham fisted, I have had phones with micro USB for years and never had a problem with one.
  • 1 0
 E-bikes? Still waiting for a bike powered by all the heifer-dust the industry has been peddling to us poor hapless slobs for the past couple of years. Steam powered penny farthings for life!
  • 1 0
 Can't stop electronics invading everything but sure is nice to see the overwhelming push back on it...the wheel size struggle isn't over yet were not ready for robot bikes yet....
  • 2 0
 4 Brake pads for one brake --> you will never find "keep it simple" in a german specification book! But those brakes seems to be perfect for e-bikes ;-)
  • 1 0
 I am waiting for a e-bike that will ride itself while I am sitting on the couch with a beer in my hand and watch live stream from my wireless GoPro on my flat 100 inch TV...
  • 1 0
 Wireless forks and shocks ffs! I know companies need to be inovative and meet sales targets but wireless, charging stuff just to go a bike ride?? I bike ride to get away from as much of that crap as i can
  • 1 1
 Guys, Guys, Guys.

E-Bike="Motorized Vehicle."

They might not get treated as such, but E-Bikes are indeed quiet motorcycles (mopeds?), NOT bicycles.
They are prohibited (legally FWIW) from going anywhere your KTM 530EXC can't go.
In that light, they would do the motorcycling community (myself included) a great service, as the single thing that keeps motorcyclists banned in many areas is that the noise pisses people off.

When they are reviewed in moto mags, they get huge thumbs up from hikers/horse humpers and the like. And I understand why.

PS-You sure as $h!t can't be a fat arse and ride a dirt bike (motorized) well.
They take Loads of endurance and strength if you ride 'em like you've half a pair between your legs.

YMMV. Rant mode off.

Ride well!
  • 3 1
 They would find charging $370 per side for a set of brakes an awful lot easier if it was anodized blue like the Moto brake!
  • 3 2
 Please. Can we just keep electronics OFF of bikes? The last thing I need is a fork that tells me when I need the suspension or not...
  • 1 0
 ride one of the RS e.i. bikes and say the same after...
  • 2 0
 Electric assisted bikes could kill any argument for access to non motorized trail restrictions.
  • 3 1
 I think I will take the floor pump. You can keep the rest. Ok maybe some glasses.
  • 2 0
 I would rather have an electronic remote TRAVEL adjustment for my fork/shock than a lockout control.
  • 4 3
 "small servo-motor"? It's half the size of the shock! Also agree that eBikes have no place on trails. Commuting? Yes. Mountain biking? No.
  • 4 0
 those brakes are blue
  • 4 0
 why am i doing this
  • 4 0
 stop!
  • 3 0
 By the way the Greek god of air is called Aeolus.
  • 1 0
 Them brake callipers look pretty poor quality to me, pitted and look like there cast ...put one next to a Hope ..... no contest
  • 1 0
 Well, I know what model of UVEX glasses I'm getting at work this year. You never get audited when you claim something as a "safety expense".
  • 3 0
 That ebike is FUGLY!
  • 3 0
 what?
  • 4 1
 ebikes die
  • 1 0
 Do backsides of the brake pistons look like mini Focal speakers to anyone else?
  • 1 0
 I want to hate on this electronic system, but frankly I can't. Because I like it.
  • 1 0
 God, that lapierre is ugly I would't even want to ride it if they didn't put all that useless electronic stuff on it
  • 1 0
 If the electric bike gets just one person to leave the car at home, then I am all for it!
  • 2 1
 all mtb fenders are ugly.
  • 1 0
 And brown stripes up your butt cracks are beautiful, suddeth39? Just sayin'
  • 3 2
 Are those fenders Enduro-certified? Also do they still fit 26" bikes?
  • 1 0
 That helmet spoiler though...
  • 5 1
 EWS is going to make helmet spoilers mandatory for enduro racing - just as visors are mandatory for DH racing. Critical safety items, you know.
  • 2 0
 Can't tell if you're joking RC... It's worrying me
  • 3 0
 helmet fin would provide too much downforce on the rear wheel. unfair advantage through improved reaction. ban helmet fins YESTERDAY
  • 1 0
 Too late, Troy Lee made helmet fins mandatory already. The EWS is only debating the shape of the fin.
  • 1 0
 how about an eRECT - electro-assisted fork travel adjustment ?
  • 1 0
 Step further, industry, give us the wireless electronic braking systems!
  • 2 0
 TOTALLY LAME.
  • 1 1
 all this magura stuff just looks really old/industrial/nasty.
Looks like crap in other words.
  • 2 1
 e bikes are NOT mountain bikes. They are sissy motos.
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 News Flash Magura. No one wants your shitty bike parts. Stick to Moped brakes
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