Manitou Mattoc Pro 2 - Review

Oct 24, 2016
by AJ Barlas  
Manitou Mattoc Pro 2


When the Mattoc Pro first dropped back in 2014 it was a push for the brand back into a territory they hadn’t occupied for some time, with the main competition from the RockShox Pike and Fox 36 being well established in this segment. Despite that fierce competition, the fork was received reasonably well, especially when considering the price-point. Now, two years on, the Mattoc Pro 2 is the updated successor to the original, but the competition remains mostly the same, with the exception of a couple of notable additions; DVO and their Diamond fork being more established and accessible, and the slightly bigger, though still available in a 160mm length, Rockshox Lyrik.

So how does the updated Mattoc compare with the competition, and have the changes resulted in an even better-performing fork?

Mattoc Pro 2 Details
• Intended use: all-mountain, enduro
• Travel: 140, 150, 160 (tested), 170mm (26” only)
• Air-sprung, Dorado Air
• Damper adjustments: low-speed / high-speed compression, rebound, hydraulic bottom out
• IVA air spring volume adjustment system installed
• Option to Upgrade to the IRT volume adjustment system
• Stanchions: 34mm
• Axle size: 15 x 100mm, QR15 or hex-key thru-axle
• Post Mount 180mm
• Weight: 1877 grams (4.14 lb)
• MSRP: $799 USD w/ the IVA assembly installed
www.manitoumtb.com

Mattoc


The Mattoc Pro 2 is available in both a 27.5” wheel size and a 26” version, keeping the “26 ain't dead” posse happy. The 26” model is also available in a 170mm travel option, for the heavy hitters out there. There are no 29” versions of the fork currently available.

For 2016, the Mattoc is available in three outfits; the Comp, Expert and the Pro that we’ve tested here. The chassis of each model is the same, but the damper and the adjustability of them change dependant on the model. In the Pro 2 model tested here, we get the MC2 damper with high- and low-speed compression, as well as rebound adjustments, plus the ability to adjust the bottom out resistance via the Hydraulic Bottom Out dial.

On the spring-side is the DH Air (Dorado) and the Pro 2 version of the fork comes fitted with the IVA (Incremental Volume Adjust) system installed, allowing riders to adjust the air volume with spacers. There is also now an aftermarket upgrade kit available in the form of the IRT (Infinite Rate Tune), granting users even more customizability of their air volume. The fork arrived with the IVA assembly installed, but I also spent an equal amount of time aboard the IRT and both systems are available for all of the older versions of the fork, with the exception of the IRT, which is only available for the Pro and Expert models. The IVA goes for $49.99 USD, and the IRT will set riders back $79.99 USD.


Fork crown and the nicely machined damper dials and IVA Internal Volume Adjust
The MC2 Damper adjustment dials on the left and the IVA air spring adjustment on the right.
Manitou IRT Infinite Rate Tune Assembly
The IRT (Infinite Rate Tune) air spring adjustment assembly.


Setup

Initial setup of the Mattoc Pro 2 is straight-forward thanks to the air spring pressure guide included on the back of the left fork lower and the included range of baselines for the damper. After a couple of rides, I popped the IVA from the fork and repositioned the volume spacers to help with how the fork used its travel. A few more rides and I was satisfied with the damper settings as well.

After some time rallying the fork with the IVA adjustment system installed, it was time to mix it up and throw in the IRT assembly. The IRT allows far more customization of the spring, with Manitou claiming a specific focus on the forks mid-stroke while separating it from affecting performance at the bottom-end. They believe that riders want to be able to adjust the feel of the mid-stroke of a fork and that this adds more value than ramp-up adjustability. It’s easy to change the volume adjustment assembly, provided a user is comfortable with a 24mm socket wrench. Once swapped out initial settings are reasonably straight-forward thanks to more recommendations that Manitou provide, but there is a lot of room for customization, with any slight changes in air pressure adjusting the forks behavior considerably.


Manitou Mattoc Pro2 features the same technology as the bigger brother the Manitou Dorado
Setup simplified thanks to the recommended pressure chart on the back of the fork.


Performance

When the Mattoc was first set to a point I was happy with, which only took a few rides, it performed reasonably well, but there were a number of nagging elements that had me questioning the fork. It soon became clear that the Mattoc I received had some problems, with some bushing issues being the root of most of my concerns. This problem resulted in a rattle that could be felt when unweighting the front-end, and worse, binding, especially noticeable when cornering in rougher terrain. After a new fork had been sent out, everything was smooth sailing, with none of those issues to be found.

Given the problems with the initial fork, and thanks to some rolling changes that Manitou had made to the valving since the first one was built up, I started the test with exactly the same settings as I had when I finished with the original one. I also went back to the IVA system for the first few weeks. The new fork rode better, and it was now that I could feel how it was intended to function.


Clean Through Axle attachment and a 44mm offset
The clean looking hex-key through axle. I opted for this because it takes two seconds to pull out the tool and it's far cleaner than the QR15.


The IVA system works similar to tokens used by Rockshox, with Manitou claiming it to be a more user-friendly way of adjusting the progression of the fork. The updated valving (since Sea Otter) resulted in the fork sitting a little higher in its stroke, something that I was happy about, and it felt better overall on the trail, with smoother use of its travel and better small bump activity. Eventually, the HBO was turned off completely, because of the progression added to the bottom-end with the volume spacers, but they were required to have the fork perform closer to how I prefer through the mid-stroke. With this setup the fork was good, but it still didn’t have the sensitivity of the competition in the top-end, nor did it feel as refined in its use of the travel throughout.

At this point, the timing was right to try out the IRT and really see how it could be set up with incremental changes to the air pressure. The spring is pressurized through the main chamber (Dorado Air) as normal, with the positive and negative chambers filled automatically from one valve. Where the IRT comes into play is outside of these, creating an additional chamber for air within the fork (at the top, just below the crown). More pressure in this chamber is claimed to make for a ride with more support through the mid-stroke, and less pressure should result in a more active mid-stroke. As the fork goes through its travel, this dynamic air piston reacts based on the pressure within the IRT and that pushing up against it from the main chamber. The more it goes into the stroke, the more the positive air chamber’s pressure is said to increase, and as it increases this creates more push against the IRT chamber.


Dorado Air Spring vs IVA Spring curve
IVA vs. Stock Dorado Spring Curve. Note the more progressive curve at the end of the stroke.
IRT Air Spring vs Dorado Air Spring Curve
IRT vs. Stock Dorado Spring Curve. Note the bump in the curve earlier in the stroke and remaining consistent throughout the rest, ramping up at the very end.

image for Manitou Mattoc review by AJ Barlas
A visual representation of how the IRT dynamic air piston is affected as the fork moves through its travel.


Manitou's clever adaptation of using air for controlling the spring sounds cool and all, but how did it equate to performance on the trail? Initially, I set the fork to the same amount of sag that was being run with the IVA but found it to dive too far into its travel on steeper, rougher terrain and when under heavy braking. More air in the main chamber helped with this, but I found that the mid-stroke still didn’t behave as I would prefer - it still lacked stability, and I was really looking to amend that. This is where the balance of the pressures in the IRT and main chambers begin to do the dance, as any change to the main chamber will affect the IRT, and more pressure in the IRT will affect the way the fork goes through its stroke.

After a few adjustments I got the IRT pressure to a point that was reasonably stable throughout its travel; sensitive enough off the top and consistent through the travel, with the help of one click of HBO for some bottom end support. Throughout this process subtle changes to the damper were also required to help get it to that happy place. In the end, I found the fork to work very well, especially for this price-point, and the amount of adjustability at this tier is quite simply unheard of, even when factoring in the addition of the upgrades that really allows for this. I never had a problem with bottoming the fork out too easily, and the chassis, despite its slimmer profile to the competition, felt reasonably solid. All in for the Pro 2 (which comes with the IVA assembly installed) and the IRT you're looking at less than $800 USD, and that gives you a fork that can be adjusted in an incredible amount of ways by the user.


Issues

After four months of consistent riding on the Mattoc Pro 2 there were zero issues with durability, with the seals doing their job well and the fork remaining as smooth as it was when I first took it out of the box. The problems I had with the first fork never presented themselves with the second one. I did find that under perfect conditions (read, velcro traction) on smooth, machine-built trail and under super hard braking the fork had a little extra flex when clamping down on the 200mm brake rotor, and the axle wanted to fold back under the crown a little. I also had the axle work its way loose after long, aggressive descents, which is something notable.


The very noticeable reverse arch has extensive machining to remove some weight
The very noticeable reverse arch has extensive machining to remove some weight. Also, note the cable tie and the need to route through the fork differently to others on the market.


Something that was mentioned in our review of the previous iteration of the fork is the cable routing, which for some won’t be an issue at all, but others may find it unconventional. I managed to get the cable positioned so that it wouldn’t rub the crown as the fork went through its travel, but it was an additional thought during installation that I don't normally have. Functionally it worked fine, and it adds to the different aesthetics of the fork.


Pinkbike’s Take:
bigquotesThe updated Mattoc and its added customizability represents a fantastic value for the money, and it cuts incredibly close to the competition in terms of performance for considerably less. Regardless of all of the adjustability, the fork doesn't quite mute some of the smaller trail feedback like the competition does; chatter is more noticeable, especially during long descents. But this is comparing it to forks that cost hundreds more, and in reality, if you're looking for something in this price bracket, there isn't anything out there that offers up as much customization and adjustment. - AJ Barlas



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154 Comments

  • 241 7
 26 inch model... Much respect manitou.
  • 50 2
 Small wheels need love too!
  • 36 1
 Their Dorado also fits 3 inch wide tires.
Fatties need love too (Probably, never tried one hahaha)
Manitou just has so much love for wheel sizes.
  • 18 38
flag kittenjuice (Oct 24, 2016 at 22:58) (Below Threshold)
 I like that they have a 26" option, buy why would anyone buy one when 27" forks work fine and a 26" fork won't work with anything going forward?
  • 63 6
 @kittenjuice: because 26 isn't dead brah !
  • 5 1
 @Lookinforit: Looked at brand new bikes today, and all the stanchions look like they're off of a fat bike to fit a 3" tire. I guess they're going for debris clearance which is probably smart, but you're going to get in a bad situation where no bike part is interchangeable with any other if they go too crazy on specifics, and parts will cost a bajillion.
  • 32 4
 Both the pike and 36 are available for 26 inch wheels. Not sure what you guys are on about; it's not like Manitou is the only one offering this...
  • 9 1
 pretty sure it's the same fork for 26 and 27.5 inch. you just can't set it up to 170 travel on a 27.5 bike
  • 10 0
 I run my 26" mattoc with a 27.5" wheel
  • 2 0
 @kittenjuice: and cause its nifty to have a 26 fork
  • 20 2
 @dh-bomber: 26+ is the new "best" wheel size. You'll see. Pick a wheel size, then be a dick about it.
  • 8 0
 @mbiker35: different lowers, 26" has a 41mm offset and 27.5" a 44mm. Each can be converted to run the other wheel size, but the bottom out has to be changed using the parts that come in the box with the fork.

www.manitoumtb.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Mattoc-Travel-Adjust-Guide.pdf
  • 12 14
 Question: Are you really going to put $900.00 for a fork into your currently-owned 26"?

Bonus Question: Would you really buy a 26" new with all the options out there? As far as I can see, there are very few bikes to choose from, and most of them are old models still in stock.

I know that 2013 GT Fury at Jenson looks sweet and all...
  • 9 2
 Takes f*cking balls to drop a 26" fork now days
  • 2 0
 @kittenjuice: because 26" goes to 170. You can't do that with the 27 version because the tire may hit the crown. They have different air spring components.
  • 13 0
 I ride 26" wheels too!!!
  • 5 3
 @sevensixtwo: Surprised at the negative reps for you on this. IMHO, the Mattoc is a great fork if you have 26" because they put the parts in the box to run it at 650b. The short answer to your question though is no. I never had a problem with 26", liked 26" bikes, still have 26" bikes. That said, when they are being replaced, they are being replaced with 650b. It doesn't matter whether we like it or not, 26" is dead. No new products, even for downhill bikes which was the last holdout.
  • 4 2
 @carym: don't forget the dit jumpers my friend
They're probably gonna go straight to 29+ anyway, if you've seen Cam McCaul's 29+ challenge
  • 7 0
 @sevensixtwo: Looking at forks for my 2013 stumpy right now so YES people are still buying 26 inch forks. I love my bike, hell its only 4 years old! don't see a reason to change bikes just because marketing hype says 27.5 is better. Also id totally be down with a new 26 bike if companies still made the frames i like in 26 But i guess that's how the market wants things to be these days... don't upgrade old stuff just throw it all away and drop 5-10k on a new one SMH
  • 3 0
 @carym: its the csu that is different, lowers are all the same but yes you can run either wheel size, just need 10mm spacers on the bottom of the air spring and damper shafts and change of the hbo adaptor. great forks although i have had one pair with the bushing issue. manitou support is great, i had new lowers out in 3 days direct from manitou europe after the disti in the uk couldnt have given less of a s***
  • 3 0
 @sevensixtwo: why not if you like your bike. new and "improve" is not always the best. My bike is used, its a 26er and yes i love it
  • 7 1
 @pballbiker: Bunch of wusses on this forum... I still rock a 24!
  • 4 0
 @nismo325: We will make you a 26" frame. Hopefully I will never have to go to 650b. Rims and tires should be around for quite awhile.
  • 2 0
 @Arnoodles:
Can pinkbike do shootout on the new 26 inch forks ? Pike, fox, manitou..
  • 1 0
 @jaydmf:

The csu is only different in offset on the 26 and 27.5 Version.height is the same.
You just put 1 spacer into the casting on the air side and exchange 1 part of the hbo on the damping side. That is the complete difference.
  • 1 0
 @bansaiman: yeah it is only offset that changes but you need 2 spacers, 1 either side. mantious own diagram shows it and all 3 pairs i have have the spacer on the damper side shaft (experts)

ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb11187004/p4pb11187004.jpg
  • 1 0
 @kittenjuice: Lower axle to crown distance.
  • 1 0
 @sevensixtwo: What's the longest you've kept a bike?
  • 1 0
 @choppertank3e: The axle and crown yeah but. if the wheel is bigger its prone to taco
  • 1 0
 @choppertank3e: I have a ton of old (and newer bikes). One bike I still like is a 2011 Blur LT. Great bike – I've set some PR's with it I can't touch even on a newer bike. But not really worth sinking 800 into it.
  • 3 3
 29er 4 life!
  • 72 1
 Hmm, you must have done something wrong when the only outcome of your IRT experiment is "reasonably stable throughout its travel; sensitive enough off the top and consistent through the travel".
Normally such a system feels like quite a revolution and makes you realize how much solo air springs suck arse. Noticeably better small bump compliance combined with more midstroke support. Most people run less sag on such a system because of the heavily increased mid stroke support and still run higher in the travel when it counts. Big deal imo. Stating pressures would be helpful.
Also I am missing a mention of the wide tuning range (internally) and Manitou's excellent guidelines how to adapt shimstacks in their forks. In no time you can adapt the damping to your likings (speaking of experience with a Manitou Tower). So yeah, to find out the real potential of the fork this review needs to be way more scientific and less vague in the detail...Something I unfortunately see with 90% of reviews everywhere...
  • 5 20
flag Happymtbfr (Oct 25, 2016 at 1:47) (Below Threshold)
 About the IRT, I did not try it but the system relies heavily on a as friction free as possible action of the IRT piston which in real life is quite difficult to obtain given the pressures and the 2 seals involved. All this without mentioning the possibility of binding for the piston... Like I said, I did not try it but like often all these great extra features increase the complexity and are more likely to end up as failure!
  • 7 0
 ^This, I already wondered about the lack of excitement, too. Obviously someone didn't spend enough time experimenting with the IRT...
  • 3 0
 That's weird.....just before reading this review I had a random thought about having a spring backed IFP instead of volume tokens in order to play around the the spring curve, and then this fork has the same thing. My thoughts had only gone as far as a simple coil spring, like the ones used in some dampers instead of a bladder. Seems like a solid idea.
  • 10 1
 The fork is pretty exceptional but as you said, tuning is everything. If it helps any Mattoc owners I have an Expert with IRT, weigh 195 kitted up and run 98-100 psi in my IRT and 48-50 in my main chamber. The air chart is completely worthless when you put on the IRT.

A few additional flaws I'd like to note: 1) I've found that all of my settings (rebound, high/low speed, HBO) are turned completely OFF. It almost makes me wonder if they should further tweak the damper to accommodate the spring curve? 2) the fork is incredibly sensitive to pressure changes. Just 2-3 PSI (the amount that is lost when removing the pump) can have an impact. 3) I run this fork at the bike park (Trestle/Keystone) and after a day of DH performance can degrade slightly. It's a problem with air migration that is mitigated by letting the air out of both chambers, compressing the fork, then re-inflating. 4) The IRT is not for amateurs. Keep it stock if you are not prepared to spend 5-10 rides getting it dialed.

Finally, I've had the chance to ride back/to/back with the Pike and the Mattoc wins in all categories except low-speed, rocky sections where the Pike is just a bit more fluid. Both great options but given what you can find a Mattoc for online it's a no-brainer...
  • 2 0
 @ryan83:

I had a Manitou Tower Pro on my 29'er and it was an excellent fork.

Its a real shame we don't see / hear much about Manitou any more, especially here in the UK where the distributor is Hotlines (owned by Chain Reacton Cycles) which is why you don't see Hayes Bicycle Group products in hardly any bike shops
  • 39 4
 Good performance,
Competitive price,
Great looks,
And comes in 26"!

You see that Fox, it is possible.
  • 14 4
 Best you'll ever ride
  • 13 18
flag diego-b (Oct 24, 2016 at 21:49) (Below Threshold)
 @TFreeman: not from what I read
  • 11 18
flag rickaybobbay (Oct 24, 2016 at 22:17) (Below Threshold)
 @diego-b: its called a joke
  • 19 3
 Best. Fork. Ever
  • 4 0
 love my mattoc expert
  • 13 0
 I've routed the brake cable around the head tube on the right and behind the crown. The result was beautifully clean. Going between the arch and crown sounds wacky...
  • 3 0
 Same.
  • 5 0
 BINGO. the reverse arch gives the smoothest cable routing of any fork I've ever used.
  • 1 0
 Not to mention that if you run the hose through the fork when you bottom out the fork the hose gets pushed into the tire and can get caught on the tire. Let all of the air out of your fork and ride it through the parking lot if you can make tit that far. People have been failing this simple test since the first reverse arch.
  • 10 0
 I rode this fork all year, its quite good. The hydraulic bottom out control is amazing, and small bump sensitivity is on par with most forks. I've never had any issues with mine. I would buy another for sure. Also, Zac Smith, the service guy in North Van, is AMAZING. Super helpful.
  • 4 0
 what shop is he at? last time I had to send my dorado out to Quebec to be serviced by S4 (did a Killer job and installed IRT and some other goodies) but i would love to find someone in BC.
  • 11 0
 Running the front brake on the right side makes the the cable rub a non issue on my Mattoc, it seems to be more if an issue with the left hand, US style setup.
  • 10 2
 The right side is the right sidetup
  • 8 0
 Too bad the author never serviced his fork. If he had, he could have told everyone how easy these things are to service. While it is nice to have the special thinwall 8mm socket from Manitou, you can do a full service, including the damper, with no special tools in under an hour.
  • 5 0
 Could not agree more, while some manufacturers don't really want you in there, or need special tools, manitou fields are great for at home servicing
  • 1 0
 Can I ask where you got a hold of a thin walled socket for the mattoc? I've also heard that Park Tool's FR-1.2 and maybe 1.3 is wide enough to not need to cut a section of it out- what did you end up using?
  • 10 3
 So is Enduro out of style now? I'm confused and unsure of how i'm supposed to feel. According to this review, the Pike, 36, Lyrik, and Mattoc are all competitors. Why then does Fox make a 34? Why does RS have two models in direct competition, with the same damper nonetheless? I thought this is why "Enduro" was pushed on us...so that Fox could sell a 34 and 36 and RS could sell a Pike and nearly identical Lyrik?

In reality, fabricated "disciplines" aside, the Mattoc competes with the 34 and Pike, NOT the 36 and Lyrik. Those last two are significantly stiffer forks made for AM/Enduro while the Mattoc/34/Pike excel in Trail applications. I support anyone's right to run the fork they want on whatever bike they ride, but comparing a Mattoc/34/Pike to a Lyrik/36 is not going to go well.
  • 5 0
 If your not a big guy (Im 170lbs) the pike is more than enough for AM/Enduro. Stiffer than the F34 by all accounts. Myself and plenty others use them for DH as well. The Lyrik maybe more stiff but unless you are a big guy or want a 170mm ++ the Pike is an excellent AM/Enduro fork.
  • 3 3
 @inverted180: Sure...i'm not arguing what's stiff enough for what. I'm simply saying that the Pike/34/Mattoc are not going to compare well to the 36/Lyrik.

I will say however that while the Pike is certainly a bit stiffer than the 2013-15 34, the new 34 is at least on par, if not maybe a smidge stiffer than the pike, especially in 29" form. They really do compare very well.
  • 3 0
 FYI Manitou themselves claim the fork is for the more aggressive applications and not trail, which puts them up against all others in the AM segment. Quoted from the site: "…the Mattoc Pro 2 is largely regarded as the ‘downhiller’s enduro fork’."
  • 3 6
 @ardor: That's cool, unfortunately marketing doesn't make a fork stiff. Stanchions and lowers do. As noted by inverted180, a 34mm fork qualifies as an Enduro/AM fork for a 150-170lb rider, but not for a 200lb rider like myself. So they can make that claim and not be wrong. The fact remains that that fork is still no competition for a Lyrik or 36.

I guess I should have put more emphasis on the last sentence of my comment - "I support anyone's right to run the fork they want on whatever bike they ride, but comparing a Mattoc/34/Pike to a Lyrik/36 is not going to go well.". That is really my overriding point.
  • 7 0
 @TheRaven: Stanchion and lowers diameters do nothing.
Pinched bolt axle and diameter, interface with hub, tight tolerances and length/overlapping of bushings/stanchions, thickness of crown and overlapping of crown/fork pivot did.
Pike, Lyrics and boxxer got the same stanchion diameter but that and a charger damper are the only common points.
If these parameters are achieved in the right way in the Mattoc, it would be more rigid than a pike, no matter the stanchions diameter or lowers thickness/design.

I own a 36 2016 with 20mm axle, a 34 2014 (1st gen) with 15mm QR and a Pike, all 27.5, and the pike is by far the most flexier on both frontal and torsionnal rigidity plan.
The 0.2 kg penalty of the 36 and 34 totally worth it.
  • 4 5
 @gnralized: Incorrect. Upper construction (including stanchion diameter), lower construction, and bushing overlap are the primary factors governing torsional flex. Axle and axle/hub interface are way down the list of those factors (as proven perfectly by the industry downsizing to 15mm axles).

When I talk about a 34mm fork vs. 35mm and 36mm forks, i'm not trying to say that because of the stanchion diameter, they do not compare. I'm talking about everything else that goes along with each stanchion size - i.e. appropriately sized and sculpted lowers and crown, weight reduction measures, and appropriate bushing overlap. All of those factors change commensurately with the change in stanchion diameter since no manufacturer wants their 34mm fork to weigh more than the competitor's 36mm fork.
  • 3 3
 You couldn't tell the difference in stiffness between any of those forks in a blind test... So, stfu...
  • 2 1
 @mattsavage: You're right, I would not be able to tell the difference in a BLIND test because I would run into an f-ing tree! WTF?!

You clearly don't even know what flex is...so, stfu...
  • 9 3
 I've had the 26" version at 170mm for the last year. I think it's much better fork the Pike RC that's under my bed. I feel it's more supple on small stuff than the Pike. To be fair, I hated the Pike. Great for DH but over damped for trail riding. As for no 29er I don't see the big deal. Ohlins have no 650B stuff at present.
  • 7 0
 Still something in the review went wrong.the mc2 damper works more composed and offers better connection to the ground than a pikes one. Had enough opportunity to compare and love my irt mattoc pro
  • 10 0
 Another underrated fork !!
  • 6 0
 My Mattocs are great. They were my first set of Manitou's but I was really impressed. I find them nearly as nice as my BOS Deville TCRs

www.pinkbike.com/photo/13077435
  • 5 0
 The models aren't all the same. Pro/Expert have a hollow crown, alloy steerer. Comp has a solid crown, steel steerer. Pro is cartridge based damping, expert/comp are in leg for damping. Pro/expert are dorado air, comp uses the MARS air spring. Pro/Expert have tapered 70050 alloy legs, comp has straight wall 6066 alloy.

Also, you don't run the brake line between the crown and the reverse arch, it wraps around the front of the headtube and behind, below the downtube, that lines it up directly with the first tab on the arch. It's been done that way since 2002.
  • 2 0
 Comp is now Dorado air as well
  • 5 0
 Curious, as the steps you took to dial in IRT spring rate weren't clear. Manual says to pressurize IRT first and then set spring pressure. It's a small step, but changes the dynamics of the fork considerably. Not a fanboy here, but as a rider that owns the first gen Mattoc and is looking to upgrade to the IRT, it's a pretty valuable piece of info. The lack of fillowing orders of operations in the review can skew performance of the fork, per manufacturer's manual. Again, not trying to be an ass, but looking for clarification.
  • 6 1
 Thumbs up for adjustable air chamber. The damping side is very important, but should not correct a crooked spring curve (as in most today's air chambers). Really thinking about awk for my pike..
  • 11 4
 Very thorough and honest review. Thanls
  • 4 1
 AJ Barlas......?......never heard of him......
  • 11 4
 Where is the 29er version?
  • 5 15
flag torero (Oct 25, 2016 at 6:06) (Below Threshold)
 Roadie
  • 4 0
 Magnum 27.5+ doubles as the 29r mattoc. 29" wheels with tires up to 2.4 and 140mm travel. Bigger tires require the 29+ version that Max's out at 120mm. Both are boost only though
  • 3 0
 I really liked how my Mattoc rode... damper was well controlled in the rough and the bit of deflection actually helped in certain situations... but... I went through 4 different forks in a matter of a season all with creaking CSUs and thats on top of the leaky air spring seals that caused my fork to get sucked down. Their customer service was pretty awesome through it all, but their QC needs improvement before I purchase another Manitou product.
  • 3 0
 If you ever dealt with manitou customer service...you would know it's the best around, even if you have a ancient product, they will do there best to help. Never ever been more more impressed with the Hayes group. Also if you love to tinker on your own forks manitou is hands down the most user friendly. They have engineers that design products to work good, last long and easy to service, no gimmicks.
  • 2 0
 I feel behind the curve now that I, "just diddled with my fork until it felt good". There was probably more to it that I should have looked into, but I couldn't find any air chamber information, or rate graphs like you've posted for this one. I think it just has something like an "IRT", and a standard rate chamber. You could make one complicated bike fork if you really wanted.
  • 2 0
 At 200lbs I never found it necessary to install the IRT - just one spacer and it is fine. No tweaking with air pressure.
I love my Mattoc. It came with my bike in August 2015. Could be stiffer, and even with the 2016 internals (warranty issue) it has a little bit of Dorado effect (~5mm after three days in a bikepark).
Needs some care though regularly.
The steerer tube doesnt hold the stem very well, I had to overtighten the screws on the stem to get it tight. You dont want a twisting stem/bar when dropping in..^^
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 same here with the stem and overtightening. I wonder if anyone has some idea on how to prevent that without overtightening the bolts? (surfaces are clean and degreased) thx!
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 @trailynx: Maybe try some of that gritty carbon paste......?...
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 @trailynx: chuck some carbon assembly paste on there to see if that helps?
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 I love my Mattoc Expert. When buying it, i stopped myself getting the Pro and went for the Expert. The Damper in the Expert is not truly cartridge based (ala Charger FIT etc) like the Pro. but more akin to Motion Control, where the whole stanchion acts like the outer diameter of the cartridge. In my eyes this offers the improvement of have more suspension damper fluid in the system (think heat dissipation), larger diameter pistons and well, less parts. All for less money and only a minor weight penalty.
I did find my Mattoc from the factory had too much fluid in the damper, leading to hydraulic lock out (which at first I attributed to the bottom out control).

Very easy to service which is a bonus for me.
For information, this is an article I wrote years ago about how suspension works
ride.io/news/how-front-suspension-works
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 Honest reviews are great!
  • 5 1
 There's a 26" only option to use full travel. That's like, super travel with 24"
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 Keep an eye out for Bender, rocking a 12" wheel in his Karpiel to go proper big.
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 @vinay: 350mm travel baby!
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 Great fork, very satisfied.
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 I've had a Mattoc for a couple years now and couldn't be happier. SUPER controlled and plush. Most people that have ridden one have nothing but good things to say about it.
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 Wish they had a 20mm axle option. For anything. Would like to try out their products. Them and MRP both.
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 Would love to have you check us (MRP) out at Sea Otter this year. Between the Stage and the new Ribbon fork, we're going to have some good forks for demo.
  • 2 1
 @mtnallen: Why? All your forks are 15mm except your DH fork. I run 20mm on my HDR, Capra, and Nomad. I just picked up two more Fox 36's today actually. Give consumers choices, don't tunnel them into no option.
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 @chrisingrassia: bit of a dick response to a very nice comment from MRP. Normally switching out a front hub is not the end of the world if you're already investing in a new top-tier fork. How were they to know you had 17 superbikes hiding in your basement?
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 @bishopsmike: no way homie, not a dick response in any way, shape or form. My HUB is irrelevant if they don't offer a 20mm axle. Since my original comment was "wish they had a 20mm axle option" , what point does their comment make it none of their forks are 20mm?
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 ya FK were is the 20mm or the 1 1/8" steer aswell
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 SO 50% OF THE FORK'S TESTED, TESTED WELL.... Possibly for future tests, consider obtaining a third unit to test so to dismiss the anomaly of receiving one bad assembly line fork? IF the consumer is the target audience, I would not want to be the new owner of THAT fork that was in need of immediate turn around, even if its warranted. Reputable companies have QA depts.

You never get a second chance at establishing a good FIRST impression.
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 This is always the problem with website /magazine tests. They hardly ever tell you about the consistency of production, while that is a super important thing to know. I understand why, it's just too much work. If you want to do it right you need to test 12 forks or so. Unless we as users are prepared to actually pay for reading this stuff, that is not going to happen.
  • 5 0
 Fuck yeah!!! Manitou I love you guys! keep the dream alive! 26 for life!
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 I remember drooling over the Minute and Nixon a decade ago when I was a kid in high school. My friend and I (who was the ONLY other mtber in a school of 2000 kids) would drop by the local shops after an afternoon trail riding and hitting some of the staircases in town. Manitou was the shit back then and so was life, miss those days watching a Kranked movie and riding for 6 hours afterwards.
  • 4 1
 someone makes single crown forks for freeride? like a marzo 66, RS totem, Manitou travis? missing that ;(
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 bro, the 26" second hand market has gone tits the f*ck up, I saw someone selling a 2013 Rockshox Totem for £180...
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 I still have a single crown 203mm Travis... Tempted to find an old bike with a 1.5" headtube to run it in...
  • 2 0
 X-fusion Metric HLR, 36mm stanchion, 160/180mm travel, 20mm axle, 26/650b, 2300g... excellent fork!
  • 4 0
 Great figures and charts.
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 is there a 20mm axle adaptor for this thing and my frame is still 1 1/8" can I mitre the head tube off with a CNC machine and weld on a 1.5" head tube?
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 Totes... go for it.
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 @mattsavage: Ha. Cut away, doctor!
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 You lost me at 34mm stanchions. I once had a Mantiou Sherman Firefly at 125mm and quick release in Camo! Rode that fork of any and everything. Then they came out with the Travis. What a piece of poop. Good luck Manitou!
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 29er lives matter
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 they actually dont though lets be serious lmao
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 Of course 26" ain't dead! But the fact they never bothered making a 29" version might indicated that the future of the 29er might not look too bright.
  • 2 0
 I have the original Mattoc and absolutely love it. only problem I've had with it was one of the stickers pealed off
  • 5 1
 Time for the garbage
  • 2 1
 @theminsta I wonder if this model would be any better than your original Mattoc?
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 Nah. The only difference is the IVA which is the air volume token thing and the fact that it would be new. Maybe I had a defective one.... who knows!
  • 5 0
 Actually a few changes. New air piston, new axle, updated rebound damper, tuning changes to name a few.
  • 3 1
 My Mattoc, oh how I love thee. Let me count thy ways....
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 How does this compare to the cheaper, yet beefier, SR Suntour Durolux (R2C2)?
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 Silver stanchions are not acceptable anymore. Gross.
  • 14 3
 Black and gold iz dat gangsta shite..did I get that right?
  • 3 1
 I concur about the colour. We need a fancy colour in this day and age.
  • 5 1
 Considering how wrong that went a few years back, they might want to stick to boring stanchion colours
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 @sadfusde: Naah, purple ano stanchions all day long.
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 @Patrick9-32: I don't care about colour generally, but that comment made me care.
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 @jaame: It's concour.
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 @skidrumr: thank you
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 @skidrumr: I disconcur.
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 New fork manitou Mattoc sweet)))
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 Cable goes up through steerer tube if ya know WTF ya doin'. :/
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 How does the Mattoc ride?
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 i hate this fork!!
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 Manitou still exists?
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