Marin Releases the 2019 Mount Vision

Mar 4, 2019
by Richard Cunningham  



Marin made headlines when it launched its Wolf Ridge and debuted Naild R3act rear suspension. Marin's goal with the 29-inch-wheel Wolf Ridge was to introduce the concept of supple, full-time suspension action with near-100 percent pedaling efficiency to trail riders first, and then follow it up later with a full-blown enduro machine.

Enter the new Mount Vision - a 150-millimeter-travel aggressive platform, armed with geometry and suspension kinematics intended to take the Naild R3act concept deep into the realm of all-mountain and enduro racing. Marin breaks away from the current 29er trend, preferring to use 27.5-inch wheels - a choice they defend only to serve riders who prefer
the smaller of the two wheels, and also to demonstrate that the too-smooth-to believe Naild R3act suspension system can also deliver the pop and playfulness near and dear to aggressive bike-handlers. Here's Marin's take:

bigquotesWe’ve built upon what we learned with the extraordinary Wolf Ridge to create what we feel is the best and most unique trail bike that the market has ever seen. With leading-edge geometry and a playful, poppy attitude, we are confident that the Mount Vision will even surpass the level of excitement that the Wolf Ridge achieved.Matthew Cipes, product manager
Mount Vision Details

• Full carbon fiber front and rear frame members
• Naild patent-pending R3ACT –2 Play suspension
• Rider fit and kinematics developed with biometric data
• Two kinematic profiles, one for S/M frames, another for L/XL frames
• Injection carbon swing link and trunnion shock mount
• Shielded sealed bearings for long-term, all-weather performance
• Water bottle mount (s)
• Modern geometry: 65° head angle, 76° seat angle, 420mm chainstays
• 27.5” wheels, 150mm front and rear travel
• MSRP: $5299 USD (5299€) to $8899 USD (8999€)
• Contact: Marin Bikes


Marin Mount Vision
Pivot bearings are larger and double-sealed with external shields.


Tuned geometry and suspension: Geometry is on the progressive side, with ample reaches in medium (453mm), through X-large (493mm). Reach for small size frames is scaled back slightly (432mm) to address that many riders on the small end of the scale struggle with jumbo-trend geometry. Suspension kinematics are slightly different between small/medium and large/X-large sizes to address the different levels of mass transfer under acceleration that occur between tall and short riders under acceleration. Both deliver the same travel and suspension feel, with different mid-stroke and an ant-squat curves,

Understandable numbers: Head tube angles are 65 degrees across the the size range, with seat tube angles from 76 to 76.5 degrees. On that subject, Marin acknowledges that its angled seat tube could cause some confusion between the bike's actual and effective seat tube angles. They take the measurement slightly higher than the average saddle height for the correct rider of each sized bike. That assures most customers will be at the stated seat angle, or in the case where the rider's inseam is shorter than average, the seat tube angle will be slightly steeper.

Three models: Marin offers the new Mount Vision in three models: The model 8 with a SRAM NX/GX/Rockshox suspension build, priced at $5299 USD (5299€); the model 9 with a SRAM X01 Eagle/Fox suspension build for $6699 USD (6699€);
Marin Mount Vision
Click to enlarge
and the Pro model, built with Shimano XTR and e*thirteen components, and Fox Factory suspension for $8899 USD (8999€). Honoring current trend, Marin keeps the stem length short at 35mm and specs 170-millimeter crank arms for every model.

Marin Mount Vision
A carbon rocker link and top-tube-mounted shock are paired to provide a more aggressive feeling suspension.
Mount Vision 2019
A sturdy box section unites the top and down tubes at the steering head. Cable routing is much cleaner too.

Small medium 1
new sm med
Kinematics for sizes small and medium.

Large X-large 1
Large X-large 2
Kinematics for sizes large and X-large.


Sturdy chassis: Marin hardened up the Mount Vision's carbon frame, and fitted pivot points with larger bearings, each double sealed with full-diameter external shields. The head tube area is reinforced with a box-section, while the large down tube has a vertical rib molded into its center line that girds against impacts and helps transfer strength to the bottom bracket area. A super-duty glass-reinforced nylon bash guard has been added to the down tube for extra insurance. Finally, a carbon rocker link and top-tube-mounted shock create better suspension dynamics as well as make room for the placement of full-sized water bottles. (two on large and XL frames).



Marin Mount Vision Pro


Mount Vision Pro

• Shimano XTR drivetrain
• Fox 36 Factory& Float X2 Factory suspension
• Shimano XTR M9120 brakes, 203/180mm rotors
• E*thirteen TRS Race Carbon wheelset& TRS Race/Plus 27.5 x 2.6” tires
• US MSRP $8899



Marin Mount Vision 9


Mount Vision 9

• SRAM X0-1 Eagle drivetrain
• Fox Performance Elite36 & Float X2 Performance suspension
• Shimano XT 4-piston brakes, 203/180mm rotors
• Stan’s NoTubes Sentry MK3 rims & WTB Trail Boss 27.5 x 2.6” tires
• US MSRP $6799



Marin Mount Vision 8


Mount Vision 8

• SRAM GX Eagle drivetrain
• RockShox Pike RC & DeluxeR suspension
• Shimano XT 4-piston brakes, 203/180mm rotors
• Stan’s NoTubes Sentry S1 rims & WTB Trail Boss 27.5 x 2.6” tires
• US MSRP $5299



Mount Vision 2019
Close-up look at the R3act 2 Play suspension's sliding element and the motorcycle-thickness bash guard.


bigquotesMarin's decision to develop a competitive all-mountain/enduro racing machine based upon Naild's R3act 2 Play suspension system is exactly what riders who are fans of, or simply curious about the new suspension system have been asking for. Mick and Tracey Hannah have proven without a doubt that the system is very quick on the downhills, and Marin, with its original Wolf Ridge, demonstrated its supreme pedaling efficiency over any terrain. The bike we all wanted, however, was the great pedaling all-mountain bike that ripped the downs. If the new Mount Vision performs as promised, it should silence any doubts that Marin and R3act are squarely in the game. Stay tuned for a full review.Richard Cunningham



276 Comments

  • + 706
 I shall think about this to last longer in bed
  • + 28
 This is not appreciated enough
  • + 54
 "Margaret Thatcher naked on a cold day."
  • + 20
 @steveczech: Still preferable to the look of the this bike...
  • - 9
flag endurocat (Mar 4, 2019 at 19:07) (Below Threshold)
 All those graphics and numbers mean nothing if the bike can't win races.
  • + 5
 The funny thing is that it might not be that hard for a designer to make it look better without altering the suspension layout. Does that lower shock thingy protrude through it's lower mount? If it does, does it really have to? That lower bulge just does not need to be that bulg-y.
  • + 24
 It offends my eyes
  • + 6
 Doesnt look like a 76 SA.
  • + 4
 It’s as ugly as orange bikes.

This isn’t a page 3 pinup more like a page 12 in the bottom corner.

It does look like an ebike as many have suggested....
  • + 15
 @chyu: For goodness sakes people. FORGET THE SEATTUBE. That isn't the angle. Draw a line from the crank/chainring/bb center to the seat. And remember that Marin measured it with the seat HIGHER than normal.
  • + 2
 @mtbikeaddict: they probably measured it better than Marin's engineering team
  • + 2
 This is easily my favourite comment ever.
  • + 11
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  • + 7
 @mtbikeaddict: Seems like they measured with the seat LOWER than normal?? Could be image distortion?

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  • + 25
 It's quite pungent. It's a formidable scent, it stings the nostrils
  • + 27
 You can try baffle me with graphs and charts and shit but that fuckpig just fell from the ugly tree, hit every ugly branch on the way down and then got beat by boys with the ugly sticks.
  • + 6
 60% of the time, it works every time.
  • + 2
 @billythegerbil: I know right, extremely fast, nippy and dead on precise with the big hits - good analogy my bother!!
  • + 3
 @steveczech: Madeleine Albright
  • + 4
 Just checking the comments to make sure it wasn't just me. Confirmed.
  • + 2
 @700Pirate: Hahaha...Indeed, sir.
  • + 1
 You are a hero @jamesdippy:
  • + 4
 @ripcraft: Totally... same with that huge box/bulge at the headtube and how straight the down, top and seat tubes all are. It's just straight tubes meeting at giant bulges. Looks like my 8 year old drew it. Then you look at the rear and it's this big bulging yet swooping curved thing which matches... nothing from the front. Looks like it came from a different designer meant for a different bike.

That thing would have to ride orders of magnitude better than most other bikes to get me to spend actual money on it. I might ride it if someone gave it to me, actually I'd sell it and buy something else... except no one would buy it from me... so I'd probably be better off if no one gave it to me. If I was being paid to ride it, ok, I'd ride it... but I'd be bummed.
  • + 0
 Tell that to your dropper post when it binds up after a month from bushing wear
  • + 1
 This is so ugly it makes onions cry I thought it was an e-bike at first. That's how ugly it is.
  • + 161
 Looks like an E-Bike
  • + 3
 Beat me to it.
  • + 2
 Should be an E-bike
  • + 11
 i had to come to the comment section to confirm it is not an e-bike
  • + 8
 Yep, ride one of these and get shit on just like an ebike rider. Tough sell.
  • + 1
 Lets fool people into buying a "cheap" EBike, just some minor drawbacks.
  • + 7
 Seen better looking ebikes..
  • + 3
 Yep, and man: this is FUGLY! Seriously! It looks tragic!
  • + 1
 Without an E-Motor
  • + 10
 The only thing worse than riding an e-bike is having everyone to think you ride an e-bike and are still slower on the uphills.
  • + 117
 How much cocaine can I put in the downtube?
  • + 7
 not as much as my intense tazer .

have done a few cross border bike trips Wink
  • + 102
 If it really rode that well, I'd ride it. I hate when people complain about all bikes looking the same, but also complain when companies do things differently.
  • - 40
flag trillot (Mar 4, 2019 at 17:58) (Below Threshold)
 But then again - have you looked at the linkage? It is a simple single pivot is it not? The lower linkage doesn't even seem to do anything, unlike on a VPP/DW type system.
  • + 13
 And check out the seattube angle. There may be some 76 degree effective angle at some point on the spectrum, but it's going to get all squirely as you adjust the seat height based on the actual seattube angle of 63 degrees. What were they thinking considering it's got a dropper and the idea is that you move you seat up and down... Fine to do something weird like that on a DH bike where you don't have a dropper, but come on people.
  • + 4
 @trillot: It is not a single pivot, nor is even a simple virtual pivot.
  • + 13
 @trillot: As mentioned, Marin was careful to measure the seat tube angle with the saddle set at an above-average ride height.
  • + 2
 @trillot: It appears single pivot...but this piece moves.
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5549280ce4b0c741dfca8d2f/59038f9ebebafba419f8c770/59038fabe4fcb5f8c46168b0/1493405612519/marin_wolf_ridge-1.jpg?format=500w
Marin...and any article I've read, which I'll admit is only a few...have done a shit job explaining how it works. You gotta click a million links and read deep into the middle of this write up just to find someone actually confirm, in words, that it moves.
"An integral sliding stanchion within the mono‑stay enhances frame stiffness and connects the front and rear frame structures."
http://www.naild.it/pr001-2
  • + 7
 @RichardCunningham: It seemed so slack just had to look. I may not be measuring it right/image distortion?

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  • + 2
 @stiingya: Nice. What SW are you using for that?
  • + 1
 This guy has a good go at explaining it. www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUbfch7-2cw
  • + 2
 Kudos for thinking outside the box, the big but is aesthetics do sell bikes and the short deal is a average performing frame with good fork & shock works well for average joe.
  • + 2
 @RichardCunningham: I think you guys might need to start fact-checking manufacturer's claims. as @stiingya points out, the effective SA is well below 76° at normal saddle heights. Even at the commonly-used level-with-the-top-of-the-headtube saddle height, it's 75.4°.
  • + 4
 @enduroFactory: Well to be fair they just bought this linkage from Naild. It's not like Marin or Polygon innovated it themselves, so I don't know if they can be credited with 'outside the box' thinking.
  • + 2
 @jollyXroger: Rhino, but blender would do it for free?
  • + 78
 Good Christ that’s ugly.
  • + 15
 but it doesnt look like a session, so whats the big deal?
  • + 9
 Yeah, these are fugly
  • - 1
 They could fit a motor in there that bottom bracket is so Big
  • + 1
 I have always like their bikes but this one is ugly bad!
  • + 9
 Like a mermaid, great until you get about half way back and then things get decidedly fishy.
  • + 1
 At least it has a straight top tube.
  • + 1
 The name as well as the bike's silhouette.
  • + 69
 Can we see what this looks like with a trust fork?
  • + 4
 +1 for this, but I'd be less interested in the looks and more interested in the performance!
  • + 13
 Are you trying to break the internet?
  • + 16
 @acali: That is a disturbing picture.
And I've seen things...
  • + 10
 @acali: for how much that would cost, it's a real confusing bummer that I want to imagine this bike showing up to the trailhead on a body-kitted chevy cavalier and ridden in osiris skate shoes
  • + 2
 @ReformedRoadie: Wreck-It-Ralph 2: @acali Breaks The Internet Razz
  • + 2
 @acali: Very matchy matchy
  • + 6
 @acali: aww, they belong together!
  • + 19
 @acali: We need someone to build that ASAP and do a shredding video dressed in a Robocop outfit. I'd pay for that.
  • + 17
 @tiaalto: YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY WITH THIS NEW HUB STANDARD
  • + 1
 @tiaalto: You'd pay for the bike, fork, etc.? Deal! PM me ASAP. Big Grin
  • + 4
 @acali: Nice! That's the best looking use of the trust fork IMO. Looks better!

They needed to do some old school Nomad curves and a bit of interrupted seat tube to tweak that crazy seat angle. (though I'm sure straight tubes were a lower cost since they have to pay to license the suspension tech, but the contrast just hurts the eyes...)

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  • + 1
 @stiingya @acali: stop it
  • + 1
 @BenPea: Just one more... and then I promise to go away for the night.

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  • + 3
 @stiingya: Come on man, I'm having my breakfast, and you are to drunk to be photoshopping.
  • + 1
 @BenPea: I apologize.

@acali: Since your Photoshop skills are better than mine we need a long travel Trust fork to make that really work!! Smile

OK I'm done.
  • + 1
 @stiingya: lol Bwahaha *blink**blink* WHAT DID I JUST LOOK AT!? Salute
  • + 1
 @acali: it burns my eyes.
  • + 4
 I think I like it
  • + 2
 @acali: Photo of the Year - this one has my vote
  • + 5
 @acali: it actually looks better with the trust fork... kinda spreads the bulk more evenly
  • + 4
 I think the trust fork actually makes it look better too, but they had nowhere to go but up
  • + 1
 They do match in an ok-ish kinda way...overall
  • + 2
 @BenPea: I have my best idea's Drunk Photoshopping!! Smile
  • + 5
 @acali: The only thing it's missing is the Spengle 3-spoke wheels Big Grin
  • + 2
 @stiingya: the contents of your hard drive must be something to behold
@acali: ditto, retina gone
  • + 1
 @acali: I'd call it the new sh*tbike but from what I've read it might turn out to be a pretty damn good bike.
  • + 1
 @acali: Holy...
  • + 1
 @acali: 10/10 would ride.
  • + 2
 @acali: haha oh my god that has got to be built up in real life. I bet we could crowdfund it on pb.
  • + 51
 "All the looks of an ebike, none of the motor"-marin
  • + 1
 ^ I came here to say this.
  • + 28
 Finally, the Pontiac Aztek has been resurrected as a full suspension bike!!!
  • + 2
 You sir are a genius
  • + 1
 Comment of the year!
  • + 29
 That's one thicc bicycle
  • + 1
 u are thicc beast ok
  • + 19
 Has anyone actually ridden this bike? I agree its doesn't get any points for looks, but genuinely want to know if they ride decently.
  • + 11
 Of all the new bikes, I'd love to test ride this the most. I'm genuinely curious about how it rides. I also don't reckon it's THAT ugly, considering the completely different suspension design. It's not like an Ellsworth or something that's a fairly standard design and butt ugly...
  • + 3
 @kit-nz: I don't love the look, but at least its a unique look. Better than a filing cabinet with suspension in my opinion...
  • + 17
 I test rode the Polygon a few years back. It was an incredible bike, all looks aside this suspension design is one of the best I’ve ever ridden. I was a test rider for Decline magazine, ex-racer for Pivot Cycles etc.. this suspension system is truly unique and works really well. Test ride one if possible.
  • + 2
 @yuroshek: duly noted! would love to get on one if I could!
  • + 5
 @connorjuliusjohnson I've owned a Wolf Ridge for two seasons now, and it is by FAR the best all-round bike I've ever ridden. The suspension does exactly what they say it does. It's incredibly supportive, and responsive. With the updated angles that this one has, I can only imagine how much better it'll be.
  • - 1
 @bigmike9699: 420mm CS and 65 HA is still 2015 angles
  • + 1
 @jaydawg69: please, find me more than a couple of 2015 150/150 65' 420mm CS trail/AM bikes and then I'll agree that this bikes geometry is outdated...
  • + 2
 @jaydawg69: and by more than a couple, I mean main stream brands... Not the likes of boutique brands like Pole or Nicolai who sell maybe a handful of bikes a year...
  • - 1
 @bigmike9699: Specialized Enduro, Kona Process, Treks Slash.... just from the top of my head. Sorry but the bike is outdated. The Specialized EVO is light years ahead.
  • + 3
 @jaydawg69: Am I missing something?

Spec Enduro 27.5 - HTA 65.5, CS 433
Kona Process 27.5 - HTA 66, CS 425
Trek Remedy 27.5 (your Slash comparison is false as it's a 29er Enduro bike) - HTA 66.1, CS 433
Marin Mount Vision - HTA 65, CS 420

And, just for posterity let's look at reach (all size L)
Spec Enduro 27.5 - 466
Kona Process 27.5 - 475
Trek Remedy 27.5 - 483
Marin Mount Vision - 471

I'm not really sure how you can confidently state the geometry is outdated when it's bang on trend with, and right in the middle of, the bikes you've listed as more up-to-date alternatives.

The new Stumpjumper Evo is for sure a leap in the direction of Nicolai and co, but it's hardly "lightyears ahead" - it's a different approach that some fringe brands have been on about for few years that might or might not make it into the mainstream.
It's also an approach which works in some situations and for some riders, but not all - I've been lucky enough to test ride a few bikes with geometry on the more extreme end of the scale, and I honestly did not like them. Maybe it was the bikes, or maybe it's just my riding style that I could change in time, but it really didn't do it for me.
  • + 0
 @speedfreek: I was referring to the bikes from 2015... This Marin bike geo looks like the bikes I listed from 2015. Not much has changed for the ones I listed but they are the big players and play it pretty safe. Playing it safe for a small brand doesn't seem like a good idea if you want to distinguish yourself. Especially short stays makes absolutely no sense. But those looks will certainly distinguish yourself. I personally wouldn't buy this bike as geo is the important thing in a mtb and this is just blah.
  • + 16
 That seat tube is so slack that when you pop that dropper it might punch any riders behind you in the face! Go go gadget dropper post!

All joking aside nice to see companies putting themselves out there with new technology that’s not just a new axle size.
  • + 14
 I'm sorry, but...

Marin Mount Vision 8:
Pike
XT 4 piston
GX Eagle
Alloy wheels
5299USD

Whyte S-120C:
Fox Stepcast 34
XTR drivetrain and brakes
Carbon crankset, bars and wheelset
5299USD

I know they're not the same category but c'mon.

The 8899USD Vision Pro has the same features as the Whyte... $3700 more expensive.
  • + 2
 Whyte has always been a good value, but I think it's worth mentioning that it looks like Whyte is keeping their US prices low to gain a foothold in that market. That same bike in the UK is 5300 pounds, or 6844 USD.
  • + 1
 @jayacheess: Most retailers have their UK prices identical to their USA prices. It doesn't directly relate to the exchange rate. Especially since most EU retailers include VAT in their prices.
  • + 1
 Ah, didn't realize they all included VAT with their pricing.
  • + 13
 Surely these guys having been reading PB lately? That has to be the slackest seat tube angle of the century! I was reading the geo chart and thought the difference between the actual and virtual angles was odd, but when I saw that picture I couldn't help but burst out laughing! You can't be serious?
  • + 4
 The best part is that the chainstays are the same length across all sizes. Best of luck to anyone at the edge of the height bell curve.
  • + 1
 Nevermind misread
  • + 1
 The virtual measurement is the one that matters and 76 is pretty much modern. It's offset forward far enough that I wonder if the rider would need to be behind the seat a lot while descending.
  • + 7
 @alexsin: There are maybe a handful of companies that vary their chainstays by frame size. What you on about?
  • + 6
 @skerby: Virtual seattube measurement is an arbitrary number that doesn't really mean anything if the actual seattube is that slack
  • + 11
 @skerby: It's 76 only for one seat height, any shorter, and it gets rapidly steeper, any taller and it's rapidly slacker. If you're near the end of the size range, the actual effective angle for you might be only 72 degrees or something.
  • + 4
 As a very long legged, but not especially tall rider this matters a lot to me.
  • + 3
 I didn't notice at first but now that you've pointed it out... Wow. I really wanted to like this bike but that's pretty silly.
  • - 8
flag bigmike9699 (Mar 4, 2019 at 17:15) (Below Threshold)
 @Naturel I hope you at least google'd the difference between actual and virtual STAs after posting your comment... because your comment clearly shows that you don't truly know the difference, further reinforced by the fact that you're basing your comment off a photo...
  • + 2
 no joke. my seat is usually at least 2" higher than my bars. i'd be sitting over the rear axle on this thing.
  • + 0
 For goodness sakes people. FORGET THE SEATTUBE. That isn't the angle. Draw a line from the crank/chainring/bb center to the seat. And remember that Marin measured it with the seat HIGHER than normal.
  • + 4
 @TucsonDon: You are right. When tall riders with XL frames set their saddles high they are sitting right above the rear hub. Just take a look at XXL Hightower.
  • + 3
 @mtbikeaddict: I run the seat higher than this for climbs, having a seat that's only comfortable in one post position is pretty shit.
  • + 1
 @KKRoos: We need linkage seat posts that adjust fore aft and drop automatically and wirelessly.
  • + 2
 @mtbikeaddict: i think most of us know how they measure it. and if u have ur seat in line with the top of the head tube, then the angle they state is accurate. if not, then the actual angle has a huuuge effect. and maybe i missed the part where they say exactly how much higher than normal the seat was, but that is a pretty vague statement.
  • + 1
 @skerby: True, but the virtual measurement is taken at a certain saddle height, and Marin has not shared that saddle height with us. I worked it out in CAD, and you have to drop your saddle to 590mm to get a 76° effective SA.
  • + 17
 I'd rather guide my dad into my mum than be seen riding that bike
  • - 4
flag myfriendgoose (Mar 5, 2019 at 0:21) (Below Threshold)
 Maybe the best comment I've ever read on this stupid website
  • + 3
 made me cringe hard
  • + 11
 For when you gotta ride with your ebike buddies @10 and your normal riding buddies @2.
  • + 7
 Nothing makes me happier or more proud of this community than when it refuses to have marketing drivel shoved down it's throat and shits all over a pb front page release article. I'm imagining the suits from marin reading this and wondering what went wrong.
  • + 3
 Should have released it the same day Enve had their PR nightmare. It could also be that we are programmed to hate stuff that looks different and seek to post-rationalize it with all manner of techniques to ensure we don't have to think about it too much.
  • + 1
 When they put Veronique Sandler on it we swallowed with a smile. In this write up the comments are polarizing
  • + 10
 I'm sure its mother loves it.
  • + 9
 Vision is not something you want when looking at this bike.
  • + 9
 Why is the seat tube slacker than the head tube?
  • + 0
 the virtual angle is steep. look where the cranks are. the actual tube angle means nothing other than altering forces directly on your dropper for lowering it.
  • + 4
 Being a Wolf Ridge owner and lover I find this exciting. The Naild Suspension is such a stand out for performance I have found every bike I've ridden since the first Wolf Ridge test ride to be somewhat harsh and not as efficient of a climber. Before buying my bike I had reservations because of the looks. Then I rode the bike on my usual trails. When something helps you to ride faster and helps you ride more confidently it is strange but your perception of the looks quickly switches to loving it. Thanks Marin and Polygon for pushing the limits of what we expect from suspension designs.
  • + 4
 I decided to comment because unlike most (ANY) of you, I own one of these NAILD bikes - in my case the Polygon Xquarone EX9. BLUF - yes it is ugly. Ugly like I have not known before in a bike, if I am being honest. But I have never bought a bike because it looked pretty, so I wasn't going to not buy a bike just because it makes me feel a little ill if I look at it too long.
I bought it because of how the test rig rode. That's right kids - I test rode a bunch of bikes and then bought the one that rode the best. This bike will not be for everyone and unlike some reviewers I do not believe it is a Swiss Army knife. It pedals like a hard tail and goes through crap down hill like a bulldozer on pillows, but it does not corner like it is on rails and real steeps can leave it struggling.
One issue that I am still unsure of is the pressure the setup puts on the rear shock. I read a lot from folks who said that 'mates of theirs' had issues, but given none of them could identify who these people were I took it as being just the usual keyboard projections. After four months however I had my rear shock in 'stuck down' and that is the first time that has ever happened. I have had it back for three months and have been really flogging the shit out of it to see if there is a repeat of the issue, but nothing yet.
So would I buy it again? Yes - at the price I paid Smile I picked this one up on the very cheap side, so I would not pay the retail asking price or even that minus 30%. The bike is great, but I am already finding where its limits are and looking at what I could replace it with, but that'll be a couple of years off and after a lot more testing.
Happy to answer any questions people have about it, too.
  • + 1
 I also got one EX9 and first of all got to say to me the bike looks fine. I come from mx side and i'm not probably yet that used to the basic bike looks that some people are after here but nevertheless what made me buy that bike in the end was because it just performed so well.

I've been racing it one full season now of enduro and even raced one DH race with it. Yes it has it's limits but so far those have been much farther on this bike than any other enduro bike i have ridden. Even comparing this to Scott gambler which is a full blown dh bike i still prefer to ride this over the rough stuff.

What comes to the issues... I also had once the rear suspension "stuck down" when we hit the first minus degrees here in the north but got it serviced and after that it has performed well until this day (including whole race season). So all in all i don't think the rear suspension is the issue. But we do have had more issues with the rear derailleurs and getting those tuned can be a challenge some times but my bike is preproduction model and they have fixed those issues for the latest models. The reason was because the rear derailleur cable hole was too close to the derailleur itself making a steep corner there where the cable got sometimes stuck.
  • + 6
 :O

I don't consider Marin a premium brand (does anyone?) and the 'Pro' build comes in AUD$12500 retail, what a joke.
  • + 0
 Maybe not, but this is a premium bike
  • + 5
 The engineer in me is not loving that cantilevered BB. I think that someone will figure out how to package this up right in the next few years.
  • + 3
 Totally agree. I want to see it at full compression.
  • + 6
 It's like they purposely positioned the cranks to try and hide the ugly
  • + 2
 common guys ..doesn't the beauty of Veronika Sandler and her style and amazing skills on the bike make up for the different design ? Wink you guys are nerds just talk about bikes and miss the beautiful woman.
But yes I agree my first thought back on the Wolf Ridge was also that I was surprised by the look of the frame... but once you ride it it does not matter anymore ! for real it does work really really well. ride it.
  • + 2
 @paulaston where is the promised review of the Marin Alpine Trail?
Quote:
„The Alpine 7's performance is focused where it matters - for shredding down the kind of alpine trails it was made for. We'll have one for a full review later this year.“

This was in 2018...
  • + 1
 Goddamnit... All these stupid comments are making me want to have an "ugly" bike too. As ugly as it could possibly be. I'd be so proud of her. I'd love her like a little crippled child that one beats into a pulp whenever possible.
  • + 1
 RC which is the better pedaling bike between the Cannondale Jekyll 29 and the Marin Wolf Ridge or the Marin Mount Vision? I feel like they are all good descenders, but which one has the better climbing and pedaling efficiency?
  • + 1
 I wish one day Pinkbike will review a bike with just the right seat angle that could scratch the tonsils of all the professors when they are itching for a drink, just before they reach for one of the 6 bottles mounted on the long and slack headtube, downtube and the one in the cage mounted on the shock. Thatisonelongasssentence,IhopeIdooffend. Smile
  • + 5
 I hate the swingarm... stop with that design
  • + 1
 Everyone is going to comment on how ugly this bad boy is, no doubt... but given the suspension design, I think this is about as good looking as it can get. If it performs well, and from everything I've read it does, I'd be fine with it. But that's just me.
  • + 3
 It's so beyond ugly that calling it ugly would a compliment. This is coming from a guys who still owns 2008 Marin Wolf ridge.
  • + 6
 N O P E
  • + 4
 I see alot of extra pivots added to take sideloading and flex out of the shock....
  • + 1
 I like it. It looks deliciously weird to me. I suspect without the space to mount a bottle, it would have looked slicker but I appreciate having the mount. Would love to be able to demo this.
  • + 3
 who needs 160% antisquat in the biggest gear -seriously this is gonna kick like a horse
  • + 1
 Remember the days when Marin made bikes like the Quake? It's nice to see them make some good-looking bikes now, like that new Alpine Trail and B-17... *Sees Mount Vision release* Oh wait.
  • + 1
 NOTE: I actually look forward to hearing more about this, yay for outside-the-box new technology... I just couldn't resist poking fun. Razz
  • + 1
 Speaking of companies releasing stuff, what's with that email Trek sent on the 1st, saying cycling will change forever on the 19th, something big is coming, the most important change in 30 years, blah blah blah?
  • + 3
 I think I read somewhere else it has to do with their recycling methods of carbon fibre.
  • + 1
 @dubod22: that would be awesome!
  • + 1
 @the-lorax: Yeah, but it won't make you 3% faster an any given trail. Sad.
  • + 1
 @dubod22: The question is: When one breaks a Trek frame and Trek doesn't cover it under warranty, will they still recycle the broken frame for said screwed customer?
  • + 3
 @BenPea: I don't care. Recycling carbon is important to me and hopefully the technologies become more widespread
  • + 1
 @the-lorax: reference to Pole and their non-carbon frame ethos and "fastest bikes in the world" schtick.
  • + 1
 @BenPea: yup. Commencal did the same thing
  • + 1
 Kudos to Marin for trying something different. It definitely doesn't look like a Session and all the better for it. If it rides as well as the other new Marin FS models, then I hope it does well.
  • + 2
 If they sell more than 2 of these I will eat my hat thats seat tube angle is off the chart looks like a E bike probably rides like one with a flat battery I'm out
  • + 1
 The prices for those spec loadouts are actually really good for a carbon bike.

I didn't see any weight numbers, though. Did I miss that somewhere?
  • + 3
 Is this an early April fools?
  • + 2
 All the style of an e-bike without any of the performance benefits, genius.
  • + 3
 and you have to pay to own one, right?
  • + 2
 Looks like a Knolly and a grasshopper had a baby, with an E-bike as the surrogate.
  • + 1
 Could be the BEST performing suspension with the greatest pedalling efficiency an zero brake affect, bike ever made and........ Still nope
  • + 3
 who okay-ed that design!?
  • + 3
 Uhh, more like Marin Releases the 2019 Mom Jeans
  • + 2
 So basically this bike is an ugly chick. Has a “great personality” even though it’s ugly af
  • + 3
 A face only its mother could love
  • + 2
 So you can look like you're riding an ebike without getting the benefits of an ebike? Rad
  • + 2
 It looks like they went to a preschool, told a kid to draw a bike and then made it
  • + 1
 So no clearance to pass over obstacles, like logs and climb high rock ledges/steps without bunny hopping, though it's nice to see a rear suspension with a truly new design.
  • + 1
 With looks like that, it better be something special in bed, in the kitchen, and on the trails!
  • + 3
 Looks like an e-bike..
  • + 1
 Looks aside they are calling the 160/160 wolf ridge a trail bike and this 150/150 an enduro bike?
  • + 1
 34.3 lbs huh....maybe weight isn't really something to worry about after all
  • + 2
 Think some people are too hung up on form rather than function.
  • + 0
 Isn’t the seat tube not nearly as slack as everyone is saying, because of the fact the rear tire is almost hitting the bottom bracket?
  • - 1
 really hope I see more of these out on the trail... such a great brand and ethos! Never really get the credit they deserve. Personally though, I think it looks hideous, and for that reason I'll stick with my SC Bronson.
  • + 2
 I’ve had better looking turds
  • + 1
 This thing actually looks sick. Moto silhouette and some rad looking geometry. I'd love to give one a spin.
  • + 2
 This thing is hiding a giant set of balls in the BB
  • + 0
 Both companies are licensing the suspension from Naild.
  • + 1
 No, but they did license the same suspension tech so they'll look really similar. Think of "R3act" similar to VPP or DW link..
  • + 2
 @ryan77777: are you sure they're not affiliated? They're both one of the few mtn bike companies on my sports industry pro deal site
  • + 1
 @the-lorax: Same parent company
  • + 0
 Did you check out all those graphs? No idea but they look like they were made by the guy at the party who says. Well I'm an engineer. (hate that guy)
  • + 1
 Shoot.... stuff like this is tough to swalow. Havent seen any body trying so hard to make stuff so ugly..
  • + 2
 I would love to see this bike tested with the Trust linkage fork...
  • + 0
 Why is the anti quat rising, especially on smaller cogs?
Isn't this the opposite of what others are trying to achieve with their designs?
  • + 1
 So whats the real one look like. This one looks like something you would find in Walmart
  • + 1
 for that E bike look when you don't want the gains
  • + 1
 OOF that seat angle tho.... :/
  • + 1
 Uglier than a box full of old arseholes!
  • - 1
 I appreciate that Marin designed/built a bike that doesn't look like every other bike on the market, but my imaginary God that thing looks like an aborted abortion!
  • + 1
 is this really not an e-bike?
  • - 1
 Mount Vision 9 has the same suspension as Capra comp that costs less then half lol. Lucky Marin has dedicated cult followers.
  • + 2
 Over-engineering anyone?
  • + 1
 Shoot it before it lays eggs!!!
  • + 2
 Never ever going to sell
  • + 1
 Missing gearbox and motor?
  • + 0
 it’s not unlike someone has attached two
wheels to a high end marine bilge pump..
  • + 2
 its #FUGLY
  • + 1
 I have a Vision of crack-free ENVE Wheels.
  • + 0
 I notice they don't post a pedal kickback graph, because it kicks like an old ????.
  • + 0
 they always come up with sus linkage that confuses me.. how does that even work?
  • + 1
 Looks like a combination of left over parts thrown together
  • + 2
 So much ugly.
  • + 1
 looks like an E-bike but not an E-bike.. No one wins here..
  • + 2
 What..? How? Why?
  • + 1
 Also, I thought 27.5 and Plus were dead already.
  • + 0
 Hmmm this bike is a big f you to anyone tall enough not to have the dropper slammed all the way to the collar.
  • + 1
 “I wish trail bikes had slacker seat tubes.”
~no one ever
  • + 1
 Who’s buying these things? They sure as hell aren’t cheap...
  • - 1
 Im sure i would constantly hit that down tube area in front of bottom bracket on rocks and logs has any one ridden this on very rocky trails
  • + 1
 i was expecting a motor. Touche.
  • + 2
 April fools
  • + 2
 Still no...,
  • + 0
 all the uglies for non of the e bike, if im going to ride something hideous it better help me up the hill
  • - 1
 I like what looks to be decent engineering for the rear sus....mixing gloss and matte finishes on the frame tho...looks strange
  • + 0
 With my 36 inch inseem they’d be no need for me to ever get over the back for crazy descents! Good work Marin
  • + 2
 I’d ride her
  • + 1
 I've heard they're brilliant (and I actually like the look Blank Stare )
  • + 1
 "Aaaaa. Kill it with fire"
  • + 1
 Almost a floating BB, I gonna feel really scared if I jump a 5 ft drop.
  • + 1
 were they drunk when they designed it? they should be fired
  • + 1
 Just here for the comments
  • + 1
 You'll have to ride this pony with a paper bag over your head...
  • + 0
 This is too ugly to ride. I don't care how it performs, it is just affront to the eyes.
  • + 2
 Looks like a Polygon...
  • + 1
 Maybe the ugliest bike I have ever seen ... Def looks like a Ebike
  • + 2
 ????
  • + 0
 That bottom bracket mount looks like a catestophic fail area. Would not trust that in a million years.
  • + 1
 I'd buy that for a dollar!
  • + 1
 Looks like an ebike ...
  • + 1
 Beautiful bike
  • + 0
 Matt Macduff trusts O'Neal
  • + 1
 what's the weight?
  • + 1
 Damn you Polygon!!
  • + 0
 And you say Knolly's are ugly
  • + 1
 Too much stuff going on
  • + 0
 Dropper won't be able to go down with that seat angle.
  • + 0
 I like the rear fender, do you think it does anything?
  • + 1
 Stay with the vision
  • + 1
 ugly bullshit
  • + 1
 Is this an e bike?
  • - 1
 Little girls, and their petty, pointless waffle.
  • - 1
 Trek is coming out with something bigger. just wait
  • + 2
 TREK, AKA the BUYOUT KING, no one cares about them, people have moved on...
  • - 3
 @Chubby-tyres: pinkbikers may have moved on, but theres a much bigger world outside of the internet.
  • + 3
 @foggeloggliod: What? Where's your evidence?
  • - 2
 @BenPea: outside the cave you live in. You are one serious uneducated troll.
  • + 2
 @foggeloggliod: "Serious" or "seriously"? I'm trying to work out which might be most accurate. I'm going for "seriously", as the other option would send my comment into the realm of paradox and nobody can deal with that.

I meant what evidence do you have that there's a world outside the internet? You literally can't provide it. Anything you squirt onto my screen could be faked. Is this not preoccupying for you? Does it not totally twist your melon? It does mine, my boy.
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