Mavic Crossmax XL Pro Limited Wheels - Review

Jan 18, 2016
by David Arthur  
Mavic Crossmax XL Pro Limited wheels


Mavic has a strong reputation for solid and reliable wheels, and the Crossmax XL Pro Ltd wheels are its latest offering, developed to meet the demands of enduro racers and all-mountain trail riding. They use the same rims, hubs and spokes first introduced in 2014 on the then-new Crossmax XL wheelset, but feature a brand new Crossmax Quest XL rear tyre, matched to a Charge XL tyre up front, developed with top enduro racers like Fabien Barel, Anne Caroline Chausson and the Canyon Factory Enduro Team.


Details:
• Purpose: enduro racing/all-mountain trail riding
• Material: Aluminium rim and spokes
• Diameters available: 27.5" only
• Axle options: 9/15/20mm (front); 9/12x135/142mm (rear)
• Width: 23mm internal, 27mm external (UST compatible)
• Spokes: 24 Zicral spokes front and rear, with Isopulse lacing on rear
• Tyres: Crossmax Charge XL Front - Crossmax Quest XL Rear 2.4”
• Weight:1710g without tyres, 3640g with tyres
• MSRP: $999, £675 and €850 for complete wheel and tire system
• Contact: www.mavic.com / @mavic


Wheels: Mavic Crossmax XL Pro wheels bristle with details. Mavic prefers aluminum over carbon (but there are rumours that this could be changing in the future), and the rims feature their trademark Inter Spoke Milling (ISM), which removes material from the rim between the spokes. A 23mm internal width and 27mm external width is wider than previous Mavic rims, but not as wide as the latest trend from rival wheel companies. Twenty-four spokes in each wheel are laced two-cross, and because the spoke nipples are threaded directly into the tubeless rim, there’s no need for any rim tape. Shimano-type and SRAM X-D freehubs are available, with a four-pawl ratchet design that promises rapid engagement. Most common axle standards are accommodated via a range of replaceable end caps supplied with the wheels. The hubs use the common six-bolt rotor interface.

Mavic Crossmax XL Pro Limited wheels - review
Durable hub bearings with easily interchangeable end caps.
Mavic Crossmax XL Pro Limited wheels - review
Chunky flanges and oversized spokes make for a stiff wheelset.

Mavic provides the wheels with tyres already mounted, with inner tubes in place, making them ready to ride from the box. Mavic does supply a pair of tubeless valves and bottles of sealant in the box, though, so going tubeless is but a ten-minute job. Converting the wheels to tubeless really couldn’t be any easier: whip out the inner tubes, screw in the valves and add some sealant (by removing the valve core) and inflate the tyres first time with a track pump. No mess, no faff.

Tyres: The wheels come with Mavic’s most aggressive tyres. Developed with feedback from the top mountain bikers that the French company sponsors, they are designed for the demands of enduro racing, as well as all-mountain trail riding. The rims are shod with a Crossmax Charge XL front and the brand new Crossmax Quest XL rear tyre. The Charge XL is a familiar tyre and this one is made from Super Contact Compound (SCC), 40a-durometer rubber on top of a dual-ply (Guard 2), reinforced 2.4” wide casing. The Charge XL weighs in at 990g for the 27.5” version. Mavic's new Crossmax Quest XL has been designed to counter the criticism of the standard Quest tyre by more aggressive riders. It’s 2.4” wide and uses a dual-compound X-mix rubber compound (50a in the center, 40a on the sides) along with lower profile tread pattern with more tightly packed blocks when compared to the Charge. Its casing is also a dual-ply reinforced design, and the 27.5" Quest X weighs 940g.

Installation

The ease of setup is really a big plus for Mavic. When tubeless is this easy, you wonder why you ever bothered with inner tubes, as the tyres pop up onto the rims with just a regular track pump. They hold air well. I’ve been checking them before every ride with a digital gauge and pressure loss has been minimal. Setting the wheels up for my bike required changing the Shimano freehub to an SRAM XD Driver unit, which was a bit of a task - I had to remove the four pawls and minuscule springs and transfer them from one freehub to the other. I broke into a bit of a sweat when one spring jumped out of my hand and made a bid for freedom, but I did manage to retrieve it and get the new freehub in working order.

Mavic Crossmax XL Pro Limited wheels - review
  Charge XL on the left, brand new Quest XL on the right. Soft rubber and dual-ply construction..


On the Trail

I’ve been putting these wheels through plenty of riding recently, from hitting up the trails in my local woods to trips to Bike Park Wales and further afield for more rigorous and demanding testing. Conditions for most of the riding has been sub-optimal: lots of rain and mud basically, but through it all, the Mavic wheels and tyres have shone.

My first outing was a muddy night ride. Lots of gloop and slippery roots. Low visibility. That sort of situation made me question how the tyres would cope, compared with the mud tyres that I would normally choose at this time of year, but they actually performed well. The front tyre hooks up confidently in the corners, providing a secure front end that inspires confidence - enough so that you feel happy pushing faster into slippery corners when normally one might hold back and be more tentative.

The rear tyre is a huge improvement on the company’s previous Quest. The Quest XL rolls well on the flatter trails and disguises its high weight nicely, but get into the steep drops and chutes and the tread pattern (along with the softer rubber compounds) help you place the bike right where you want it and it copes well with slippery rocks and roots. The dual-compound rubber provides plenty of grip in challenging conditions, and the reinforced sidewall ensures it can take the hits. Compared to the Charge XL, the new Quest XL has an extra row of small blocks between the centre and shoulder blocks, and that provides a good transition from straight line to leaned-over cornering action - predictable traction, right up to the limits of grip.

A day at the bike park on harder and faster trails showed the tyre combination in a really good light. There were no problems when the trail transitioned from tight and root-infested singletrack to wide open, high-speed berms to rock gardens with multiple step downs. Through this variety of terrain and varying levels of grip, the tyres provided plenty of traction. They proved to be very stable at higher speeds, with the reinforced sidewalls providing a solid feeling when battering through obstacles. The tyres, especially the revamped Quest, are the ones that this wheelset should have had when it first launched last year and goes a long way to addressing any complaints levelled at them. What my riding showed me is that the tyres are really good all-rounders, and that’s what you want in an enduro design.


Mavic Crossmax XL Pro Limited wheels - review
Revamped and beefy, the Quest XL is a marked improvement over the previous Quest tyre.


Mavic Crossmax XL Pro Limited wheels - review
The Charge XL makes a great front tyre that inspires confidence in all conditions.


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Crossmax Quest XL rear tyre.
mavic wheels and tyres
Crossmax Charge XL front tyre.

The low weight of the wheels and the overall stiffness gives a hugely responsive characteristic. They provide a cornering accuracy that matches the best aluminum wheels, and they pick up speed rapidly with the freehub engaging instantaneously. The overall weight of the wheels and tyres isn’t too offensive, and longer trail rides with plenty of climbing posed no problems. The rims are tough and survived some hard riding. There is no denying they’re a bombproof wheelset, exactly what Mavic advertises them to be.

Compared to the latest generation of rims that hover around 30mm internal width, the Mavic’s look narrow. Mavic has always been a conservative company and it’s not one to react overnight to fast-changing trends. One must remember that the Crossmax wheels and tyres are designed to work in concert. The reinforced casings of the tyres serve to provide plenty of sidewall support, and even at 22 psi, the tyres feel solid and secure when cornering, with no burping at all. And, the benefit of a slightly narrower rim is lighter weight. In every respect, they are a really competent wheelset and the new tyres are a big improvement. Time will tell, however, if Mavic will be left behind in the push to wider rims.

Issues

The only issue I have concerns the rather high wear rate of the tyres. After just a handful of rides, the tread on both the front and rear tyres was starting to scrub up quite noticeably. A faster wear rate is to be expected of a tyre with a soft rubber compound, and to their credit, no big chunks have been taken out, which is common with some soft compound tyres after hard riding. Otherwise, there have been no issues, the wheels are still spinning true, the bearings are smooth and the freehub is still engaging quickly.


Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesWith the new tyre combination Mavic's latest Crossmax XL Pro Ltd is a really good wheelset for the aggressive rider wanting a strong and light wheelset shod with grippy and predictable tyres. The whole package is very nicely finished, with easy tubeless installation, multiple axle standard compatibility and good durability for both bearing and freehub life. The narrowness of the rims may put off some potential purchasers, but overlook that and you won't be disappointed with the Crossmax XL Pro Ltd wheel system. - David Arthur





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140 Comments

  • + 98
 well, at least they put "27.5 only" right at the top of the review. that saved me a whole lotta readin'.
  • + 40
 You read that far?
  • + 9
 @Dalenkenney you have made my day!
  • + 7
 After reading that I did also notice they are offering a 9mm axle option??
  • - 14
flag aoneal (Jan 19, 2016 at 7:15) (Below Threshold)
 I stopped at Mavic Crossmax...
  • + 3
 No boost though! glad to see that. Pretty narrow for the price though
  • + 7
 you can buy Mavic Crossmax XL Pro WTS, witch is the same thing, in 26, 27.5 and 29 Wink
  • + 53
 So Mavic took a 2014 wheelset, slapped on new stickers, new tires, and a $999 price tag. Working hard Mavic?
  • + 25
 No, this one's are different from the old ones. Rear rim and spoke count is different .
  • + 13
 Product placement or just straight up advertisement?
You take a wheel set that just came out, write a few words together and slap it on the front page. No information of how they performed over several months of different riding, just "the wheels are still spinning true, the bearings are smooth and the freehub is still engaging quickly".

Keep up the great work PB!
  • + 12
 How many companies do you know that completely redesign their product every single year? Especially when it's working well? I'm confused by this criticism. @dirtmerchantbicycles

I agree a bit on the review @scapegoat2010 it seemed to mostly be a review of the tires.... And not much was said, with all those words. I understand the need to put something like this out, I mean the Crossmax has been around a long time, largely unchanged, so it's kind of a product "update", for that reason it should be brief and to the point imo.
  • + 5
 @DARKSTAR63 My cynical criticism took hold as soon as I saw "Pro" and "Limited" in the same line of text. Sure, if it ain't broke don't fix it. However, Mavic is exponentially larger than any MTB wheel manufacture (i9, Spank, Stan's), I'd like to see some R&D investment or some sort of nod that the company still employs an engineer. Give us a millimeter or two of internal width just so we know you're listening. Any wheels with boost spacing? I prefer to have my shit spoon fed from an engineer versus a graphic designer.

I'll give them credit that venturing into tires is a huge undertaking. However, it's not going to work out if they only sell when strapped to a wheelset.

@enrico650 Both the 2014 Crossmax XL and 2015 Crossmax XL WTS use 24 spokes with "Isopulse" lacing. What's different?
Here are the previous PB reviews for each:
www.pinkbike.com/news/mavic-crossmax-xl-wheelset-review-2014.html
www.pinkbike.com/news/mavic-crossmax-xl-wts-first-look-2014.html
  • + 1
 Yea they did just go wider with the XL wheel set I suppose it's odd that they reviewed these wheels again. The tires are improved, that seems to me to be the only real difference. I rode and loved some Crossmax St's but moved on to wider rims and have not looked back. I agree to your point on Mavic maybe have all of their guys working on this wheel set alone because the Dee-max hasn't changed in many years. Little embarrassing. @dirtmerchantbicycles
  • + 2
 I was referring to the crossmax Enduro not the XL.
  • + 9
 Unless you are building a bumblebee themed bike and a raging Mavic fan, I see no reason why you would spend $1000 on these wheels. For half the price you can build your own custom wheelset that will 1) be lighter 2) stronger 3) have more engagement 4) custom colors 5) wider rim width 6) use standard spokes that are replaceable anywhere.
  • + 0
 I can agree with that
  • + 1
 @Rasterman Can you list all those parts out, for the benefit of those of us who don't have the time or inclination to shop the interwebs? And please include your estimated cost for assembling this wheelset.

Also please include your test data for #2.
  • + 1
 I built my hope Pro 2's for about half the price but I can't say they are lighter or stronger, I actually have no idea, I do like them though. They tick all the boxes for me so I agree that spending over $1000 can be considered a luxury purchase.
  • + 12
 @twozerosix

292g MTB270 $140
140g DT Revolution $50
455g Spank Oozy $60
10g AL Nipples $11
182g MTB180 $60
140g DT Revolution $50
455g Spank Oozy $60
10g AL Nipples $11
TOTAL 1684g $442

Assembly is free if you can watch youtube, otherwise my local shop charges $40/wheel. Since Mavic doesn't post their test data I see no reason why I should post mine Razz

Alternatively you can do the same build with LB carbon rims for 1564g $608
  • + 11
 @Rasterman thank you. I was only being slightly snide, but you have destroyed my snideness with hard facts, so I will leave it at that. Cheers.
  • + 3
 That's because Mavic can make bombproof wheels. I rode a pair of deemax that only needed truing once... after my bike fell off a rack on a highway at 120kph.
  • + 3
 Mavic more or less invented the 'pre-built wheel' phenomenon, unlocking a latent demand that two decades later continues to be a big factor in bike and component purchases. Remember the Helium 700c wheelset, introduced to roadies around 1997 or 1998? With the red hub, matching rim, and overall factory-sleek appearance, they caught other wheel brands with their nipples rusty and soaked up discretionary incomes for quite a while. I seem to remember a set of Heliums cost like $500 back then. And yes, most of us back then carefully curated our hubs, spokes, rim tape, rim, and nipple materials to build light and strong wheels with our preferred builder, in exchange for a bottle of good wine.
  • + 29
 I think the fact that the Canyon enduro team was often seen running Schwalbe tires during races tells you everything you need to know about Mavic rubber.
  • + 20
 I think that says more about Schwalbe than anything
  • + 17
 I thought everyone rides Schwalbe when shit gets serious, at least thats what Pinkbike reports from races.
  • + 1
 schwable tires are the shit. rode maxxis for the last 10 years and wont ever go back.
  • + 2
 Mavic rubbers are awesome guy... And in fact, casing are strong enough. Trying before talking is a good way !
Better talk about aluminium spokes that make wheels without "pop".
  • - 4
flag Diag (Jan 19, 2016 at 3:57) (Below Threshold)
 @subhuman2178 so how do you know they are shit? I've rode maxxis/schwalbe/michelin/onza tires the last three seasons and schwalbe tires were good if not better than my high rollers Wink
  • + 5
 the mavic charger is my go to tire for every thing exept mud you see them using schwalbe when it's muddy or it's very loose terrain, that's because mavic doesn't have tires for that condicions, not because they suck
  • + 14
 Canyon team using Schwalbe only tells you that they are sponsored by Schwalbe. Nothing more to it.
  • + 4
 @Diag In the U.S. "Schwalbe tires are THE Shit!" is slang for saying ,"They are The Best!" He means he likes Schwalbe tires so much, he'll never buy Maxis again, even after 10 years of riding maxis tires.

I have to agree with @subhuman2178. I have had better experience with Schwalbe tires than Maxis. However, I feel I should mention that we don't get very much mud here in Utah. Even after heavy rain it is dry the next day, sometimes sooner. I have test rode bikes with Maxis tires three times and they slide in corners earlier than any tires I have ever rode.
  • + 2
 in my opinion schwalbe are lacking a dry tier, they have the hans dampf but as much as people like i never felt that they were good when i had them on my transition covert front and rear. for me the best ones they had were the muddy mary, loved that tires, the magics are bether on the mud and very loose dirt but the knobs are too tall for har pack and rock's that they tend to fold under agressive riding. the rock razer on the back is great too. always liked maxxis tires on the back, the dhr2 and high roller are awesome, but on the enduro side the existing carcass let them down, i always end up with a cuted tire
  • + 1
 @tiagomano I agree there, it sounds like you would like the tyre combo in the article, I have often blown the sides so running a 1kg tyre is worth it just for the strength of the carcass, and as soon as you open a tread pattern to give it more roll like on the rock razor it is risky on top too. I have the original quest though and that suits my terrain in the UK pretty well.
  • + 3
 so funny to read that. Schwalbe obviously has had a big market share in the German speaking regions for some years. But quite a few friends, most of them advanced riders or even regular racers have abandoned Schwalbe since they came out with their new rubber compounds, because they wear ridiculously fast, which could sum up to 1000$ (/€) per season if you rip hard and ride regularly (and don't have a tire sponsor...). That's not only true for their VertStar compound but also for the TrailStar compound. Maxxis and Continental keep up much much longer, I don't know it exactly for Mavic.
  • + 1
 @flynngav now i only ride with tires with more than 900 gr , will try a maxxis tire with the doble down when they come out to see if is good enough.
it was easy to flat and with that carcass i was needing to ride with kie 35-40 psi just for the tire not roll, because when it rooled even tho it wouldn't burp it was unprecise and would give an uncontrolable ride.

@MatthewCarpenter for sure, the vertstar is really soft, but the mavic on the charger is even softer, i give up on a good soft rubber tire on the front, so every tire i ride on the front is soft(so i don't compromise the grip and it laste a good amount of time compared to the rear) and on the rear i ride harder subber compound or a soft one for a race if needed, also on normal rides tend to ride with the tires that i had on front and are like half thread
  • + 1
 Schwalbe means you have to ride a 1,2 kg and 100 dls tire for being out of puncture. No thanks.
  • + 2
 Bought this wheelset last season the 2015 model with the Quest tires. Only ran the Quest on the back so far. It is really sensitive to tire pressure. Had to go up to 23-24 psi for Half Nelson as it would fold over and wash at lower pressure that I used to run with Nobby Nics. Wheelset is good and stiff. Has stayed true through lots of abuse. I have had it repacked and tightened up once in 6 months. It rolls noticeably faster than other wheelsets used by riding buddies. Often I overtake them coasting downhill while they are pedaling. Though I am a considerably lighter weight rider. I was expecting the Quest to wear quickly after reading reviews, but it is holding up much better than previous Nobby Nics in the 'pacestar' compound.
  • + 2
 do you prefer riding a riding a heavier tire or being on the side of the trail?
i hate to puncture even on a normal ride, but on races i don't take risk's like that, what's the point of runing something liter if it is going to break? be it a tire a rim or other component
  • + 0
 Schwalbe is nice rubber but I blew of all the side knobs in my front tire after less than 6 months..wtf
  • + 1
 depending on the amount of riding you do could be a lot if the the side knob is ripped of the tire and it it's still in good shape they normaly trade them under warranty, hapanned to me years ago and to a friend last year
  • + 19
 Good on mavic for making a nice reliable wheelset. I don't understand why though they only have yellow (I could be wrong), but surely they are probably losing a lot of buyers due just to their color.
  • + 7
 you have to stand out somehow-but yeah yellow is kinda mehh..
  • + 11
 Always thought that this yellow finish with unreadable stickers is the same sort of thing as enve's decals. Why would anyone buy deemax ultimates if they were plain black? Smile
  • + 6
 brand imaging. yellow is recognizable as mavic. like UPS and brown.
  • + 2
 I have the non-limited edition ones, polished silver and black! No meh looking bike for me
  • + 2
 Have a set of the non-limited my self Orange. Loving the polish finish on the hub. Peeled off two of the three stickers on the rim. Golden. Buy a couple three spare spokes for your stash and boom, set for a good while.
  • + 17
 Choose a new colour already
  • + 2
 They come in black and white as well.
  • + 14
 23mm internal width? No thanks
  • + 1
 Right? Like, I'm sure they're nice wheels and all but get with the times Mavic!
  • + 1
 to be honest I also prefer 23.136 mm
  • + 1
 No no no no! 23.137 is way better!!!!!!
  • + 13
 I hope that the rubber was made from gluten free vegan soy frogs....
  • + 8
 i used to like mavic. but after trying other rims i don't see a reason to go back. they need to try at least something a little wider like 25 mill minimum maybe even live a little and make them even 27 mill. just not sure why they come out with a new wheel set that is already out dated..
  • + 8
 I've had these on for 9 months and they are the best wheels I have ridden (including Stan's flow/hope, Mavic Enduro, Superstar Tesla etc). I've only ridden ENVE rims for a few rides, but preferred these. Combine this with the crash replacement MP3 insurance (for about £30 a wheel, you can have 3 rims and 3 hubs when you trash them over a 2 year period), then I don't think the price is nuts either. They roll fast and stay true. The only issue I had was with the rear tyre which is rubbish.
  • - 5
flag davidsimons (Jan 19, 2016 at 0:55) (Below Threshold)
 Best wheels ever ridden, only 1 issue which is a 'rubbish' rear tire. Isn't that quite a big issue for a $1,000 wheelset?
  • + 5
 Not really. Tires are a personal choice. For $1k including tubeless sealant, two tires, tubes, valve stems, that's a pretty good deal for a premium wheelset.
  • + 4
 davidsimons - Tyres are consumables, so no I'm not bothered at all. How many 'free' tyres do you get with $3000 ENVE wheels? I paid £500 for the wheelset, and I don't think I could get a better set for that money - I ride hard without any concern at all, due to paying my MP3 insurance...
  • + 12
 Oh, to be 23(mm) again... but like they say, ignorance is bliss?
  • + 12
 That's a funny-looking High Roller 2...
  • + 9
 To me, it is the sexiest wheelset out there, ever. I also like the fact that Mavic uses moto-style knobs and patterns on their tyres.
  • + 9
 Everybody complaining about the 23mm width, while I'm riding with a 21mm wide rim and find it alright. Am I missing something?
  • + 1
 If you're happy with your rims, no. But wider rims let you ride lower pressures before the tire starts to squirm. They also let you run lower pressures for more traction.
  • + 8
 No boost rear hub? I thought this was a new product review. It must be from 2014
  • + 1
 true boost rear hub would be shitty. boost compatible, with tiny cheap caps like axle adapters would be nicer
  • + 5
 Many people seam to decide against these wheels because of the diameter etc. No one seams to take into account that they are the easiest thing ever to set up tubeless, weigh the same as many carbon wheels out there and are absolutely bomb proof. I had Crossmax before and went straight to these when I switched wheel sizes.
  • + 1
 Carbon rims are lighter, considerably stronger and wider usually so ride better. And no rip off special spokes. Hmm bomb proof not in my experience couldn't handle and sparkler. Right about the easiest to mount tubeless tho
  • + 7
 Spank wheelsets..wider, same weight, full spectrum of colors and $300-$400 cheaper..Sorry Mavic. Time to change.
  • + 7
 Everyone has personal preferances but all Ill say is this
"Maxxis HR2 on Flow Ex's with Hope Pro2evo"
  • + 0
 Custom builded wheels far more better and cheaper
  • + 0
 i have exactly this to w/dt swiss spokes, ardent race on back though as summer tyre. the combo together is awesome and probably about $500us. learning to lace dish and true wheels is a handy skill to have learned.
  • + 1
 Everyone has personal preferEnces but all will say is this
Maxxis Minion DHF/SS on DT 350s on EX471s...
  • + 1
 @clownpnd I think the same! Custom build is the best way...I´m really light rider that´s why I choose Sapim 1.8 regular spokes (take one of this in the hand and you can notice it´s lighter and stronger than regular DT spoke) Hope pro2evo and WTB I23 rims(4 direction spokes works really well keeping the tension). Solid wheel set about 600 Euro whit your favourite tire combo.

Mavic tires are one of the best in terms of tire traction but it wears in 2 days of bike park or shutlle,and their freehubs are really weak, Schwalbe tires are really special,on soft ground or wet they are really good,but if the terrain it´s more rocky/hardpack/dry their best tire it´s 20 Euro regular plastic compound Hans Dampf...For me Maxxis tires are the most reliable and versatile,more suitable to real biker/average biker.
  • + 1
 I am pretty sure you could go with 1.5 spokes...
  • + 6
 Mavic is the shit if you can get you hands on them cheap enough, I had a set of deemaxes and now a set of crossmax both super dialed wheel sets
  • + 4
 I have the old cross Max XL wheels and other than the rims being narrow they are pretty bomb proof, I used to have the Crossmax SX wheels as well and both sets have been worth the money.
  • + 3
 My new bike runs this setup, I haven't ran into any problems with it yet. Pretty big fan of the tires so far, I live in the desert where it's always dry and loose as a goose and they seem to grip and corner better than my Hans Dampfs did on my last bike, which I rode for 2-3 years. I will have to see how they hold up long term, I had issues with rocks slicing through several of my HD's. Tread life on the HD's sucked as well, so I will see how these compare.
  • + 5
 1700 gr wheelsel for a thousand bucks is a decent deal. But at the sacrifice of being narrower than pretty much ANY other decent rim I'm not sure it's worth it...?
  • + 1
 I'd even say, it's not that great of a deal at 1000 bucks. Got myself a set of Tune King Kong MK hand-laced with Sapim spokes to Flow EX. 700 quid brand new at 1690g. Have about 100 days of DH on them and still true (in fairness I only weigh 70kg).

But on top of that, Flow EX is wider internally than Mavic at 25mm and it has none of these proprietary-Mavic-spokes that when broken in the field are a PITA to replace.

I find it veeery difficult to decide pro-Mavic, or any set of system-wheels, for that matter.
  • + 3
 I rode a set of Mavic Crossmax for awhile, and although I moved on to wider rims and would never go back the wheels are seriously stiff torsionally. They also proved reliable, I never broke a spoke riding them quite hard. I've broken many spokes on traditional wheel sets. So although sourcing a replacement would technically be more difficult I think it's probably rare and if you are that worried just keep a spare on hand. People always bring it up but I don't see the proprietary spoke thing as a deal breaker. The rim on my Crossmax was also strong, and tubeless ready with no rim strip needed. Higher quality that Stan's for sure, if they could just widen these f*ckers out.
  • + 6
 I'm to poor to even read this article.
  • + 2
 still the same cassette body made from light shitty porkonium metal? the one that get dented by the cassette in only 5 smooth rides?
and get so dented after 10+ rides that removing the cassette is a mess?

I ve had a 2012 crossmax SX and was quite happy with them, no need to true them all the time, despite being very naughty with them. but this cassette body issue (or shoud I say freewheel? pardon me my english) and a fragile paint that scratches too fast made me suspicious about mavic price/quality ratio.

I now ride a pair of alpha enduro ( commencal brand) 650b/1850g/23mil/tubeless with specialized tyres which have a cassette body that do not get damaged at all and a paintwork that matches my bike, love thme more than my old SX
  • + 5
 Anyone wanna buy a kidney?
  • + 2
 Used to ride mavic crossmax untill the day there free hub wielded itself to a XX1 cassette **the joy

Now on DTswiss EX1501 far better in every area and not yellow Smile
Plus there cheaper
  • + 3
 Bang on with the DT's. 240s hubs with EX471 rims? You ain't getting much better than that, and you don't need to tighten a stupid preload nut all the time!
  • + 3
 Finally somebody who goes against the wider (i.e. bigger) is better bandwagon. Not the only one but still congrats Mavic!!!!!
  • + 1
 still find it amazing people get so tied up in minor details, rim width just isn't THAT big of a deal! I've tried 19-30mm internal widths extensively, can't honestly say I notice any difference on rough/loose terrain, perhaps if you ride tarmac its a problem!?
  • + 8
 Less stable for wide tyres and mucho easier pinch flats.
  • + 6
 You weren't riding fast/hard enough with low pressure. There's a massive difference especially on the rear
  • - 6
flag OriginalDonk (Jan 18, 2016 at 22:58) (Below Threshold)
 Your username is CTD07 referencing the worst product release in the last 5 years. Not exactly helping in the credibility department for you.
  • + 4
 You cant tell the difference between 19mm and 30mm? Seriously?

There is no way to run tubeless 2.4's on 19mm @22 psi... but I can do that on my hookless 30mm rims with no issues
  • + 4
 Ctd is crash test dummy as I was always the first to hit a new jump, 07 is the year I joined pb... I dont use a tubeless set up and get pinch flats regardless unless I use dh tyres or similar, pinch flats are perhaps more common with thinner rims, I couldn't comment either way on that, I was referring mainly to handling etc, punctures can happen regardless...
  • + 1
 I moved from a 21mm internal to 26mm internal hookless carbon rim halfway through the summer. I felt like handling is now way better. The profile of my 2.35 is not square at all, and I run much lower pressure which gives me a nice predictable drift on all but golf ball rocks. My old setup would skip crazy on anything but butter hardpack and the tires would fold in tight turns. I did not realize how bad it was, until I made the move to 26mm. I can't speak to riding with tubes though, haven't done that since 2008.
  • + 4
 20mm and 135mm but no 26" i might half to hack saw the rim a bit and weld it back
  • + 1
 i like to read product reviews. an there are some subjective issues that play a part in how
a product performs. IMO & experience, these are narrow rims, fit for anything smaller than most 2.25 branded tires,
w/some exceptions. The dude i bought my Nomad from just gave me his cause he was a bro.
this is a set of '05 Crossmax XLs. so i didn't have to buy anything. and i weigh only 150lbs.
where i used to live it was big embedded muddy rocks, washed out babyheads & ruts during the winter.
same in the summer only drier. i used to run ust 2.2 sizing. and as long as i ran nothing bigger
than 2.25 there was minimal folding on tight twisty sections. with this bike my pressure is
like 22lbs front 28lbs rear. when i put on 2.35s tho the tires started to fold in the twisties...
probly wouldn't happen with higher(30ish) tire pressure..this wheelset was free..
but when i can afford it, I'm going w/wider rims.
  • + 1
 I rarely read the wheel set reviews but sometimes look at the pictures if they're extra colourful and fancy. I *always* click through to check out the price and, if it's ridiculously high enough, read the ensuing torrent of comments. These are neither fancy nor expensive enough to give me the guilty pleasure of scrolling through the comment outrage #FAIL
  • + 1
 I have had Mavic Ksyriums (which are IMO like a roadie version of the CrossMaxes) on my road bikes forever and find them very reliable. The only issue is that replacing a broken spoke can be a pain in the ass (due to availability of spares). I do not go through too many with my skinny bikes, but I do pop several a season on my mountain bike...
  • + 3
 Nearly a grand for those? I'd rather ride my hope wheels for about 300 less
  • + 4
 Just got mine )))))
  • + 1
 I have the Mavic Crossmax Enduro. Will never buy Mavic again unless it comes with the bike. Paper plate rims. Spokes are hard to find. Customer service is not good.
  • + 3
 is it common air inside? Nothing about Mavic ProAir or Airvic?
  • + 0
 I have been riding this wheel set for 3 month now and it is amazing the Mavic tyres are shit just like the road ones they wear down after one ride and after a week riding need changed.
  • - 1
 Change the damn color already, or give an option in color like Enve does. And 23 mm width? HUH? I'm not trying to sound like a gear, techy guy but thats brutal and it makes a huge differnece. make it 25 mm at the LEAST. if not please make a 29 mm rim and change the color, and maybe lower that price Wink
  • + 1
 Count me out for anything with proprietary spokes and nipples. Nothing but a royal PITA.
  • + 2
 But all that proprietary stuff is how they make room for such a massive internal rim width and such a lightweight wheel. Oh, wait...
  • + 3
 No boost?
  • + 1
 "Mavic has a strong reputation for solid and reliable wheels"
Err no, they don't
  • + 4
 Deemax?
  • + 2
 How was the reliability of deemax hubs? I had crossmax sx, and the rear hub was awful. Play all the time and a broken axle in less than a year. Wheel strength was hreat though and tubeless setup easy,
  • + 3
 Err yes they do.
I saw 2000 era Mavic crossmax wheels that almost never needed trueing over 10+ years of use. I've watched a guy blow up 3 spokes in one of his wheels (got a wheel caught in a heavy branch), he were able to ride out without issue, spokes were replaced and the wheel ran true. Just get the hubs/beatings serviced yearly, like any other wheel.
  • + 3
 ive been running mine for 7 years and still going strong.
  • + 1
 Thats just it though, they used to have a great reputation... the last few years its seem the quality has gone down somewhat. These past 3 summers I've seen little but problems with Mavic wheels- spokes popping, unavailability of spares, axles snapping... thats before we mention the Enduro wheelset which whilst its great for the racers could not be any less suitable for the average rider.
  • + 0
 Amen. New mavic bad old mavic good
  • + 2
 Dear Mavic...please make a 29-inch rim in Maxtal with a 25mm to 30mm width
  • + 2
 Wonder if that Quest XL would make a good front tire?
  • - 1
 Needs to be wider, for a all-mountain/enduro wheel-set i wouldn't bat a eye at anything less then 25mm internal width. Currently riding Roval Traverse fatties, at 29mm i couldn't be happier. Wider rims are the future imo.
  • + 0
 Indeed! Wide rims please.
  • + 7
 thats only what manufactureres are telling you. unless the tyre has been developed for wider rims, the tread profile will be too square.
  • + 1
 Yeah I know. Maxxis Minion EXO 2.5 WT is a new tyre made for rims up to 35mm inner width.
  • + 1
 Wow. My honest comment/review of these wheels was deleted!
  • + 0
 Would never buy Mavic wheels again, awful customer service and getting replacement parts is a nightmare,
  • + 0
 I say, build your own! Pick your hubs, rims, spokes and nipples, be different.
  • + 1
 Spank novatec hope
  • + 0
 Mavic, you fooled me. Only once... and it was 2012.
  • + 0
 I will have some for sale within the next week 500 GBP
  • + 1
 27.5 only = FAIL
  • + 4
 You heard it here first: In a few years after they find 27.5 / 29r 's are better than 650b's, they'll realize 69'rs are the overall best handling and monster truckin'.
  • - 1
 Why is it that all Mavic's wheels look the same and all have similar sounding names?
  • - 2
 Mavic makes pretty good wheelsets. Marketing with their wheelset with their tires is f*cking stupid! Who the hell wants Mavic tires to throw away? I went with Stans.
  • + 0
 Not wide enough
  • - 2
 Anyone want to buy some of these?
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