Maxxis, Schwalbe and Kenda Roll Out New Tires - Eurobike 2017

Aug 30, 2017
by Vernon Felton  
Eurobike 2017

If you happen to be pining for more skinny, mountain bike tires.... man, you're really screwed. Wide continues to be kind of a big deal, with just about every company under the sun rolling out new 2.5, 2.6 and 2.8-inch rubber. Consider Maxxis... Remember when they used to bring out a couple new tires each year? Now it's hard to keep track of all the fat treads rolling out of their factory.

Eurobike Tires Maxxis 2.6 Schwalbe Magic Mary 2.8
Tire manufacturers have caught up to rim manufacturers--we finally have options for all those 30-plus millimeter rims, including the Minion DHF 27.5x2.6 WT.

The company's booth was overflowing with new Wide Trail models including Aggressor and High Roller II models in both 29 and 27.5x2.5 WT (Wide Trail) flavors. EXO casings? Yup. Double Down casings? Them too. Maxxis also has their tubeless-ready, downhill tires (Minion DHF, DHRII and Shorty) dialed in and poised to be in shops within the next few months. The push for wide will soon extend beyond the world of enduro and DH.

"Everything is getting wider. You'll probably start seeing some wider XC offerings as well," says Maxxis U.S. sales manager, Andrew Bartek.

"For us, the biggest demand has definitely focused on 2.5," says Bartek. "The pendulum went from 27.5x2.5 last year to 29x2.5. Yeah, this year has been a lot of demand for 29 tires, as wide as possible. 2.5 DHF and 2.4 DHRII have been selling well."

What about 2.6-inch tires?

"2.6 is definitely the new black. There's surprisingly large demand for it" says Bartek. "Personally, I still think 2.5 is perfect—at least for me—in that you still have to choose your lines, whereas with 2.6 you tend to start monster trucking over a lot of things. But I also think there’s a place for every tire size, depending on who you are riding with and what your skill set is."

Do you think that some of the interest in 2.6 is that riders can get a bit of the benefit of riding a plus bike without their friends giving them shit for riding a plus bike? Sorta like going plus on the d-low...
Maxxis Aggressor 2.6
Maxxis Aggressor 29x2.5 WT

"Exactly. Plus, from a practical standpoint, riders can fit a 2.6 tire between a lot of rear stays on non-plus bikes and most forks fit those tires. It's easy for people to experiment with them."


Eurobike Tires Maxxis 2.6 Schwalbe Magic Mary 2.8
Schwalbe's new 27.5x2.8 Magic Mary model.

"We’re seeing a ton of demand for 2.6," says Sean Cochran of Schwalbe.

More demand than, say, 2.5 or 2.8-inch tires?

"It seems like the market is settling on 2.6," says Cochran. "E-bikes tend to like the 2.8 size, but for people still pedaling, the 2.6 seems to be that happy medium between weight and grip. And for fork and rear clearances, 2.6 is just easier for people to adapt to."

Schwalbe has added a couple of new tire sizes for 2018. The Magic Mary is now available in 27.5x2.6 and 2.8. Those two Mary models are built around Schwalbe's Apex casing, which the companys claims is stronger in the bead area to eliminate that cutting and pinch flatting that occurs with some plus-size tires. Schwalbe will also have their Rock Razor available in a 27.5x2.6 size.

"Last year we brought out the Nobby Nic in a 29x2.6," says Cochran. "Eventually, you’ll see more of our tread patterns move to that 29x2.6 size."

Eurobike Tires Maxxis 2.6 Schwalbe Magic Mary 2.8
Kenda is adding a lighter, trail-oriented version of the Hellkat in 27.5x2.4
Kenda is also bringing out a new version of the Hellkat Pro (27.5x2.4). The company introduced the DH version of the Hellkat back in April, but is now bringing out a lighter version of their all-condition gravity tire configured around their ATC (Advanced Trail Casing). The tubeless-ready tire features a Kevlar belt for puncture resistance, a dual-compound (55a and 62a) tread and folding beads.

And, for the record, the 2018 Kenda catalog shows both 27.5 and 29x2.6 Hellkat models in the pipeline as well....


235 Comments

  • + 237
 Yeah, of course Maxxis are seeing demand for their 2.5's, 'cause they finally make something that matches up with Schwable's 2.35!
  • + 37
 So much truth...
  • + 41
 @vikb: that Magic mary 2.8 wont fit anywhere !!!
  • + 39
 @Lagr1980: must roughly correspond to a 3.5 Maxxis!
  • + 1
 What this teamskeet discussion.
  • - 13
flag endlessblockades (Aug 30, 2017 at 14:53) (Below Threshold)
 I have a 26X2.5 Maxxis Mobster.
  • + 7
 @Lagr1980: Those 2.8 Marys will be the pedally XC tires for fat bike riders. I dont even know what that means anymore.
  • + 1
 @endlessblockades: and the point being what exactly?
  • + 5
 Truth. Pulled off 2.5 Maxxis, put on 2.3 Schwalbes. No difference in physical width.
  • + 0
 That I have one. Does anyone even remember? ' Points'are overrated @Kiwiplague:
  • + 0
 Preach on ........
  • + 97
 "but for people still pedaling..." f*ck off e-bikes
  • + 6
 Second
  • + 0
 I think the implication was moreso that those not pedalling were taking a lift or a shuttle, not e-bikes. Maybe that's just how I read it.
  • + 1
 I thought exactly the same.
  • + 1
 Chairlifts and cable cars?
  • - 11
flag slayerdegnar (Aug 31, 2017 at 7:13) (Below Threshold)
 you still have to pedal e bikes.
  • + 8
 @slayerdegnar: not if i never buy one...
  • + 1
 They mean riding uphill instead of relying on trucks and chairlifts you wanker
  • + 7
 @tempest3070: "E-bikes tend to like the 2.8 size, but for people still pedaling..."

what did i misunderstand? no mention of shuttles in article. c'mon, call me some more names...
  • + 1
 If you're not puffing, you're not pedalling.
  • + 1
 @excavator666:

Or you're bending down to fasten your laces Sunday morning after a Saturday night beers
  • + 45
 2018...holy fucking tire choices. 2.25, 2.35, 2.4, 2.5 2.6, 2.8, 3.0...... I liked Windows5.
  • + 19
 There have always been tens of tire widths available. Even back in the early 2000s there were 26x1.95 through 3.0 thanks to Nokian. This is nothing new.
  • + 6
 Then I'd try 3.11
  • + 33
 So many tire choices? Try finding something in a 26.
  • + 2
 @Dethphist: I wonder if tire companies are still making 26
  • + 8
 @ibis09: yes they do
  • + 2
 @icespec: its getting harder and harder
  • + 6
 @Dethphist: what is 26?
  • + 5
 being wide is the new 'thin'. just like Kate Moss being outclassed by Kim's Kardashian's butt
  • + 6
 @CodeBlue: 26 were the ones with tubes in them. I saw this on a cave wall somewhere. :p
  • + 2
 I love my Mona entourage. But the bigger the tires, the more I need to push... when out of cycling for 1 month due to work reasons, what do you think it feels when you catch a bike with chunky tires and out of fitness levels? I still think 2.40 / 2.50 is more than enough with me.... ebikes is not a Bicycle...
  • + 2
 @CodeBlue: Ask your granddad.
  • + 2
 @Dethphist: stop pumping then
  • + 1
 @CodeBlue: same as floppy discs and 8 track tapes but STILL VIABLE.
  • + 28
 "Personally, I still think 2.5 is perfect—at least for me—in that you still have to choose your lines, whereas with 2.6 you tend to start monster trucking over a lot of things"

Really? Really!? 0.1" (2.5mm to all the metric fans out there) extra width makes such a huge difference? Next you'll be telling me 2.5" really brings the trail alive...
  • + 3
 Well Maxxis 2.5 measure 2.3 and the new ones then to be true to size so it is actually 0.3inches of difference...
  • + 4
 makes greater difference to overall tire volume than a few mm implies. Like saying "2.5mm different sag in rear shock, who can tell?" when most people could tell you there is a difference because it changes the sag position and firmness in the travel by 2.5 times that amount which changes how the bike rides on the trail
  • + 12
 @MmmBones: Exactly. A 27.5x2.60 tire has 7% more volume than a 27.5x2.50WT tire using DHFs for comparison in our lineup. It's a small difference in width and a large difference in feel on the trail.
  • + 4
 I have maxxis dd casing aggressor rear and dhf front in 2.3", they measure exactly 2.3" wide on my 19mm I.d. Rims... I find the rolling resistance bearable and the grip is great, don't see why you would want a larger width for anything other than downhill personally, even pros use a lot of 2.3/2.4" tyres for endure and dh. I'm just waiting to try the 2.3" dd griffin at the rear when it comes out.... When will this be @Maxxis ?
  • + 7
 "The market us really settling on 2.6, because it will fit most existing bikes."

Horseshit: this size is slightly larger than everyone's current tires, which are now sub-par and must be replaced if you're a slave to trends.

And change your useless under 30mm narrow rims too.
  • + 7
 Don't let the industry-speak get your panties in a bunch; it's just a bunch of marketing a-hole spin.
  • + 4
 @PinkyScar: haha I know right, every time I go on Pinkbike I'm left wondering how on earth my bike even rolls at all with it's pizza cutter rims, and then I ride it and its awesome! I used 30mm rims and 2.5" tires in my downhill days and the extra width has grip benefits for that application, but it seems the new 2.6"-2.8" trail tires have very noodly casings which wouldn't suit me (even Maxxis EXO casing only lasted me a few rides)
  • + 1
 @Maxxis: Are the 2.6 tires WT design, just without the WT label?
  • + 3
 @ctd07: The 26, 27.5, and 29 DoubleDown Griffins have been out for a while. Please shoot us a DM with some more information on your location in Australia and we can help you track down a set.
  • + 5
 @phile99: The 2.60" tires are WT design but the WT notation on our tires is there to make it easier to differentiate WT from standard tires when there is overlap in sizing, i.e. not all of our 2.4" tires are WT so the ones that are are noted as 2.40WT.

If you have any doubt whether a tire is Wide Trail, please visit the site below to confirm:
www.maxxis.com/widetrail
  • + 1
 @Maxxis: anyone making a wider (true 2.5" or 2.6") 26" tire these days? There's a lot of legacy 26" riders who don't want to buy a full new bike but would benefit from a larger tire (and/or kids/intermediates, etc)
  • + 3
 @powderturns: 26x2.50WT Minion DHF is on the way along with a 24x2.40 DHF with a standard 3C MaxxTerra/EXO/TR build so the kids can keep up with the adults.
  • + 1
 @Maxxis: takes my chance to get a answer here.
could you confirm which of minion dhf or dhr II would actually Be the faster rolling tyre?

this is a description copied from your website: "Proven paddle knobs down the center not only provide decreased rolling resistance compared to the DHF but also offer increased braking when the trail gets loose."

Cant really believe that when looking at the thread, mostly because of the bigger gaps between center nobs,
but however , never tried dhr II , so will not argue, would just like to have it confirmed!

thanks
  • + 28
 Does Nokian still do the gazzaloddi 3.0?
  • + 10
 Apparently he retired.
  • + 1
 nope only duro
  • + 1
 that shit was Viking!
  • + 1
 @endlessblockades: still got one new at home, keep it mounted on a spinergy rear wheel to remind my friends how heavy it was before!! 3,7 kg!! with hope v2 vented disc...
  • + 1
 1.8kg tire in 26! Duro makes a 26x3.0 which measures 2.8 and weighs 1.6kg. I have one and it is bulletproof. Run it at 14psi on the rear but only when riding DH over really rough terrain!
  • + 24
 No so long ago people were looking at 2.4 tires saying they were huge! Now they are a nice fit for road bikes I guess.
  • + 6
 Triathlon trainer
  • + 17
 We used to rum 2.1/1.95 for rough conditions and 1.95/1.75 for speed.

We all survived the skinny days.
  • + 6
 Exactly. And that was when we had between none and 50mm of travel. I have literally just ordered some 2.1 Ground Controls for speed. I don't see the big attraction with these wide tyres for people who actually have to pedal. Even 2.35 schwalbe SG tyres are just so heavy and slow on the flat. You put the pedal strokes in and then freewheel for about 20m, then you have to pedal again. Heaven knows what a 2.6 MM would be like, but my guess is very slow.
  • + 7
 Maybe just accept that not everywhere is like where you ride. I've got 2.5 minions on my trail bike because the riding around my home is rugged af and rolling resistance is basically a non issue. Steep up, steep down. Traction is king around here. I think it's nice to have wider options that don't have the crazy knob spacing of plus tires. Furthermore, just because something used to be done a certain way doesn't make it awesome.
  • + 6
 @nickel: obviously not. Too heavy is too heavy though. Humans are not making any more power than they were in 1993. A 29x2.6 tyre in a stiff casing with two cups of sealant must be over 1500g. Three kg in tyres alone is a lot of weight.

I guess not everyone cares about speed so much. Fun is important too.
  • + 1
 At some point we used horse chariots for transportation
  • + 1
 @jaame: depends where you pedal. I will run 2.2s if I am setting up an xc bike, but for most of my riding, I can't ride less than a semi slick 2.3 with a hefty (like dd or wtb tough) casing, otherwise the trail will just shred them. I pedal most of my rides, and even if I shuttle I have to pedal a good bit. A lot of my buddies only run 2.5s, but I prefer to run something more nimble and usually do 2.35-2.4. Where I live, you pedal mostly straight up, and then have a fair bit of gradient on the way down, so the slog up on wider tires isn't THAT much worse than slogging up on something narrower, and totally worth it for the down.

However, I am totally on board with your ideas - I'm not so sure about all these trends, although I am glad to have the options.Can't forget though that product diversity raises costs....
  • + 1
 The thing I like about wider tyres is the extra comfort they provide. It's a big part of why I went back to a hardtail. More fun but without such a harsh rear end. Been waiting patiently for a Minion DHF 29 X 2.6, looks like the wait is nearly over ☺
  • + 1
 I used to ride down National Trail at South Mountain on a 26er rigid, with 1.95's, cantilever brakes and no dropper, but damned if I don't go a whole lot faster and enjoy it a lot more on my Ripley LS.
  • + 15
 Getting tired of all this choise
  • + 15
 Not a very gripping article for me
  • + 11
 @matthew10: Yes you would have to be a proper knob to enjoy it
  • + 8
 it fell flat
  • + 10
 The problem just keeps being compounded every year.
  • + 7
 Oh don't tread on their ideas.
  • - 15
flag e-loop (Aug 30, 2017 at 12:24) (Below Threshold)
 I'm feeling absolutely no resistant to wide tires.
  • + 4
 You should really bead more open to all these options!
  • + 8
 I'd rate this article a 2.8/10.
  • + 3
 Deflated to say the least. I guess I'm just average at 26".
  • - 3
 @nordicMT: lol. love the puns on this site.
  • + 0
 @Poulsbojohnny: this pattern has been proven in toughest conditions
  • + 4
 Let's keep the puns rolling along.
  • + 4
 now that is just a tacky statement!
  • - 1
 These puns are on a slippery slope.
  • + 3
 Better buy now before inflation pumps up there prices!
  • + 4
 I'm feeling a lot of pressure to purchase wider tires
  • + 2
 This case folded flat.
  • + 4
 @Boardlife69: those neg props feel like snake bites to me..
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: Ah, get a grip. You're always blowing stuff out of proportion.
  • + 10
 So many 2.6" tyres I tought 26" is back for a second.
By the way Schwalbe, when can we have Big Betty again?
  • + 11
 Double down! DOUBLE DOWN! DOUBLE DOWN!
  • + 1
 Amen.
  • + 2
 @TEAM-ROBOT: don't you think that spending a bit more time on leg power on the gym and using proper DH casings is a better use of resources? I got a bit over excited in a local bike park and punctured Spec Grid tyre through Huck Norris. I just think that if you get yourself a slack 160 bike, have some skills, get onto a nice fast natural track littered with rocks, roots and big holes, then you may as well dress up to the occasion on 2 plies and suck it up a bit more on climbs... you run more stable casings at slightly lower pressure. What not to like about that? If a fkng troll like me can ride all day, every second day on 2 ply tyres on 15kg bike, with freaking 40rt sprocket in the rear and 34 chainring then all Pinkbike experts should do just fine, no? I could maybe justify Grid, DD, SG on a 29er, but for 275, c'mon just pedal for fks sake
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: Sure, sorta kinda, but mostly no. I have run downhill casings front and rear, and there are a few downsides. Number one, I pretty much never front flat, so I don't need that much tire up front. Double Down is more than enough up front. Second, downhill casings are actually kinda harsh even at lower pressures, as they flex a lot less than a lighter casing. That sounds nitpicky, but especially on a front tire it's noticeable. Third, I can still annihilate my rear rim with downhill casings, so the tire will never save my rear wheel regardless of casing. So the dream setup is DD front and rear, Huck Norris front, and Cushcore rear. Ideally it'd be a 2.5 soft DHF up front and a harder compound, faster rolling, longer wearing rear tire, either a DHF or an Aggressor. And then you're dialed for cross country rides and downhill laps. One bike to rule them all.
  • + 2
 @TEAM-ROBOT: Haven't thought about the compliance bit. Actually my bike did feel a bit crap at slower rough bits where wheels couldn't bounce on tops of the bumps with speed. I will now test the procore with super gravity may be interesting. I'm pretty sure it's going to be a blast on climbs... blast... unfortunate word choice for procore
  • + 4
 Why are you all complaining about Maxxis offering "2.5" and "2.6" tires? It's not like you have to buy them. By the way, their tiny 2.1 tires (marketed as 2.3's......) will still be available to all the skinny tire fans out there.
At the end of the day, I'm just excited that they are finally offering tires that actually measure a true 2.35 - 2.4, they can market it as 2.7 for all I care....
  • + 5
 I thought I read "tire shootout" and got excited ... I would really really like to see more tire reviews and comparisons. IMO great tires will yield the biggest performance improvement on a MTB over any other part...
  • + 2
 They can certainly make a good bike feel terrible if they're not fit for the terrain. I'd rather ride a shitty bike with good tyres than the other way round.
  • + 2
 @justwan-naride: Same here! I've always said : change the tyres, change the bike.
  • + 6
 i love Maxxis but there 26" options are less and less and tubeless ready tires are even worse. Thinking of switching to Schwalbe they make all their tires in 26"
  • + 2
 I just put a set of CST Rock Hawks on my 26er Kona. 2.25. Huge width jump compared to the 2.1s I had on there. Same manufacturer, slightly different tread patterns. And a hell of a lot less cash. $60 for a set. I broke them in on the local trails and then went for several rides in Bend. Great on rocks, loose, and hard pack. Can't say for wet loam just yet. Smile
  • + 1
 @Poulsbojohnny: Just because it it the same manufacturer doesn't mean it is the same casing.

Good to hear you went from 2.1 to 2.25, no one should be on mtb tires that skinny anymore.
  • + 4
 so does Maxxis and they continue to release new tires in 26" so I don't see your point.
  • + 3
 Hugh, just bought newly released 26x2.8 minions from Maxxis, I don't see the 26x2.8 Mary.... Maxxis in general has been supporting 26 more than most (even releasing new tires in the size).
  • + 4
 So where's the new schwalbe's tire?
Damn schwalbe, i know Magic Mary is the best, but whats the dry hard pack Summer version of it ? Anything like the Minion dhf or dhr ?
The Hans dampf doesn't cut in the front.... And in the rear i don't like it that much, but First, please a Magic Mary for dry/rock usage!
  • + 1
 A used Magic Mary on the front with a Razor rock on the back is a great dry hardpack summer setup!
  • + 4
 Any word on some 26x2.8-3.0" tires? I'm one of the very few on the 26+ game and am saddened by the lack of tire choice. I would try some skinnier tires but I'm on WTB Scraper i40 rims. And hey, #26aintdead
  • + 1
 Maxxis make 26x2.8 tires DHF and DHR II. WTB has the Ranger in 2.8 and 3.0 in both light and tough casing and soft and hard compound. Duro makes a 26x3.0 in DH casing but it weighs 1.6kg... Surly have the Dirt Wizard in 2.75 and 3.0. I have tried the WTB ranger and find it works great as a rear tire. The Duro is awesome for DH only and best for super rough terrain. Schwalbe Magic Mary DH 26x2.5 is true to size and also great. The Surly DIrt Wizard is lighter and has some aggressive knobs so is another alternative.
  • + 7
 Damn, that Kenda tire actually looks legit...
  • + 3
 My favorite tires are still kenda nevegal, I'll have to give those a try
  • + 7
 first ride them than comment them...
  • + 2
 I hope they stop calling 2.6" tires, plus tires because they're not.

I have 3 sizes of the nobby nic, 2.6, 2.8 and 3.0

The 2.6 definately do not have the air volume which provide the plushness and allowing low pressure and awesome grip of the 2.8 tires and over.
  • + 1
 I agree! 2.8-3.5 is plus! Above 3.5 is fat and below 2.8 is normal
  • + 2
 I noticed that Maxxis lists 2.5WT and 2.6 (no WT). Does that mean that the 2.6 should work better on a narrower rim than the 2.5? My rims are 27mm internal. Is that close enough to a wide rim to use a 2.5WT/2.6, or should I stick to 2.35/2.4?
  • + 1
 You are probably fine to run a 2.6 on that rim. Specialized sold the 6Fattie with a 29mm rim rolling 3.0 tires. I thought it was a bit squirmy, but not terrible.
  • + 2
 Our 2.60 tires do conform to the WT design. When we launched WT we wanted to differentiate the WT tires from standard tires when looking at the existing 2.40 and 2.50 tires in our lineup, not all of which are WT.

We compiled a list of all of our available tires at the address below if you ever have a questions whether a tire is WT or not:
www.maxxis.com/widetrail
  • + 1
 @MasterSlater see maxxis's comment above...
  • + 1
 @Maxxis: Can we have the 2.4WT tyres in DD please....the 2.3 non-WT aren't big enough for wider rims
  • + 1
 @Maxxis:

Uhmmm... ok, but why not put the WT designation on ALL tires that you deem to be Wide Trail?

It's just confusing when your original line up of Wide Trail tires have "WT" on the sidewall, but then internally at Maxxis you ascribe it to tires that DON'T say WT on the sidewall.

Just wanted you to know it's a bit confusing for a consumer to suss out.

In closing, are we now to assume that any tire 2.4 and above is by default a Wide Trail tire?
  • + 2
 @MasterSlater: Why ask why? Try Bud Dry. :-)

The drinking helps.
  • + 1
 @zepper:

Ha... I do love wrenching on my bike with a couple cold ones! Although it does make me dumber than usual... stripped more than a few hex heads and overtorqued a few vital components here and there. Wink
  • + 4
 Not too mention the amount of bead rolling that occurs with larger tores and more skilled riders ... idk how this is catching on if im honest
  • + 5
 One has to be slightly gifted in advanced mathematics now to buy tires, gimme a 29 x 2.6 x WTF.7!
  • + 5
 Am I right in remembering that you could get 2.7 wide tyres nearly 10 years ago? Why the sudden "OMG, wide tyres!"??
  • + 1
 it is like the wide rim fashion nowadays...it has been done before. The difference is that today's tires and rims are way lighter than their equivalents from back in the days.
  • + 5
 because they don't have DH casing and weigh four pounds each
  • + 2
 Same with lots of things. They tried it back in the day and it was not great due to tech limitations, now they're revisiting it because they have the technology for it. Bell Super detachable chinguard is a good example compared to some of the old whacky looking equivalents from the 2000s
  • + 1
 All true... it's been a game changer for me in the dry dusty southwest. Went from super squirrely oh shit I'm gonna die to things hooking up nicely with tons of extra control. I highly recommend it if you ride in similar conditions. Hell, even those winter months with a bit of snow on the trail are probably much better handled as well.
  • + 1
 I feel that where tire sizes are concerned, the more choices, the better. Every rider has different needs (speed, weight, traction, rolling resistance, compatible frame width, etc.)

What it looks like (and what I love) is that for the first time in a while, this trend appears to be driven by rider demand in spite of the cycling media's attempt to kill off the wider tire trend with inane comments like ("if you're a beginner" "good for those who lack confidence" or "for those who don't ride aggressively"). The media rolled over and played lap dog on pseudo product evolution like 27.5 wheels and 12 speed drivetrains, but for some reason have drawn a line in the sand on how wide a tire can be...the only thing that keeps a rider connected to the ground.

Cycling media, 1.9" and 2.0" tires are still available. There's room for more. You don't get to control the trends, you just get to report on them.
  • + 1
 I agree. I thought it was funny that the maxxis guy in the article above said that 2.5" is a tire that is sharp and you have to pick your line, but when you add .1" (to 2.6") and ~7% more volume you no longer have to pick your line and you're just "monster trucking" now. LoL Oh an he implies that riders with a lower skill set are going to see the benefits of the additional .1 inches.
  • + 1
 It is so totally ridiculous that they are trying to make news about 2.5" tires ... that have been on the market for almost two decades.

Reality is that they tried the scum of the +plus bikes, only to be slapped in the face when people realized the obvious: they do not climb!
  • + 1
 Just did a weekend d of tire testing. The hellcat was awful but the Honey badger was epic. Can't wait for it to come in a 2.6. The butcher 2.6 from specialized was also fantastic, but I'm usually one to go for a heavier casing when possible. Cushcore arrived today. Time for more testing!
  • + 1
 I really am having a hard time understanding plus tires. Plus size tires seems to have more rolling resistance making them feel slower to me. In loose rock they float instead of slice. They kind of feel like squishy fat bike tires and separate me from feeling what is going on with my contact patch. If I every suffer loses of traction its because of pilot error(unless of course I am "intentionally" driftingWink Could someone tell me what I am missing?
  • + 1
 More grip allows you to brake later. Large tires allow you to monster truck stuff and thus allows you to straightline stuff you would have rode around before. More grip also allows you to climb loose terrain or even steep terrain without spinning. Of course, the first generation plus tires where too light with paper thin sidewalls which suffered tears easily. The heavier ones that are coming out now should solve that. Now if you are happy with your current tires stick by all means stick with them.
  • + 1
 I have been riding for 20 years at a high level and know from experience that tires, more than any part on the bike, are a series if compromises. 1.9, 2.2, 2.5...each has it's place. There is no perfect tire. When tire companies make a product where I dont need tubes or a sealant then we are talking a real leap forward.
  • + 1
 I wonder where were all those tires you all are talking about, this sommer i was in saalbach hinterglemm and i have planty of time to observe in cable car gondola, and none of tires was bigger then 2.5 so what we are talking about, for me, my super tacky 2.4 high rollers are way to go, and yes, they are 26", and yes, is a hard tail, just have fun Smile
  • + 1
 Yea. Make them fat. I rode a 29er with a 2.35 Magic Mary up front and a 2.3 Specialized Slaughter in the rear, 24/28 psi respectively, down the trail in the Desert Southwest. My Pike fork and Cane Creek Inline were dialed. Then, I rode a 27+ bike with Maxxis 2.8s front and rear, Pike up front and I don't remember what rear shock, down the same trail. Wow. The 2.8s offered more grip, and noticeably more comfort. The higher volume 2.8s redefine plush in the desert. And you need plush in the desert. Loamy forest trails are a different story, but here in the desert the fatter tires have their place. Fat is in.
  • + 1
 how on earth can you pedal uphill with 2.6 tires? i cant imagine how bad that can be.. i have 2.4 front (onza ibex )and 2.3 (minion dhr3) rear on my trail bike and hell each time i ride my xc bike with 2.2 ardent race tires its like day and night difference
  • + 1
 I race xc on 2.6... It rolls surprisingly well and weight isn't too bad either..
  • + 4
 @LaurensVR:

Where's the Minion SS or Slaughter in 29 x 2.5 to match my DHF 2.5 front?
  • - 1
 @LaurensVR: Same here and I don't mind some extra weight. In reward I get great comfort (thanks to 10/20psi f/r) and can't complain about the grip really. Riding fully rigid btw.
  • + 5
 Here in Brazil everyone rides XC on 1.95.... When I show up with 2.35 they think I am riding a monster truck already!
  • + 7
 People worry way too much about Rolling Resistance.. If you want a grippy tire who care's!! I'd rather have TREAD then SLICKS in Dirt! lmao
  • + 4
 Some of the Maxxis 2.6 options weigh less than their 2.5/2.4 counterparts. Thinner sidewalls is my guess.
  • + 1
 Its .2 inches wider. Its definitely pedalable uphill
  • + 3
 I don't really notice rolling resistance so much when slugging up a fire road at 7kph, or when I ride the steeper black diamond down from the top. It's when I go down the blue or green run that it gets bogged down.
  • + 1
 @grim007: Tread design is at least as important as casing size. A low, dense knob pattern on a 2.6 will be faster rolling than your 2.3 DHR2 which is designed with grip in mind.
  • + 2
 I just got back from a ride tonight with a steep, rocky, and loose climb where I was one of the only riders out of 20+ people to be able to clean the whole section. I had 2.8" tires and most everyone else was on 2.1-2.3". A spectator might have asked how does anyone pedal uphill with tires smaller than 2.6"? Definitely just depends on where you ride and what the terrain is like.
  • + 1
 They keep telling us wider is lower rolling resistance off road, but I saw a GCN video where a gravel bike murdered a mountain bike cross country. It had nothing to do with the rider either.
  • + 1
 You pedal a little harder and you make it up the hill just the same. Or you pedal up looser stuff and make it up the hill that your skinny tires skid out from.
  • + 1
 @jaame: I bet that same gravel bike got slaughter on the decents, eh? In the 90s we had semi slicks, they rolled super fast but made decending off the bike almost mandatory...
  • + 4
 Too bad the 2.6 minions and 2.5 aggressors are still months away given their presence on the Maxxis website
  • + 1
 2.6 DHF is already in shops
  • + 2
 @MmmBones: linky please; Maxxis told me on IG that they're still not out en masse.
  • + 1
 @remoh: 27.5x2.60 DHF has been available since April but has been in very high demand. We are still 1-2 months out on the 2.50WT Aggressor and High Roller II models.
  • + 1
 @MasterSlater see maxxis's comment above...
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 My 2.6 Butcher/ Slaughter combo attacks blown conditions, but kinda slow rolling. Might go back to 2.35 just so it rolls faster.
  • + 2
 I tried 2.6 Butcher Grids, liked the monster truck feel initially, but kept pinch flatting them, so instead of ramming into rocks, I had to start going around them. Kind of ruined the whole idea. And rolls like crap with pressures theyre meant to be ridden. So wen't back to 2.35 SG Magic Marys, can now use just as low pressures, traction is great, also rolls like crap but at least they keep air inside. About the same weight.. And of course more precise than the balloon Butchers were.
  • + 1
 @yousaneim: I have never tried the 2.6 Butcher Grids. I don't think they make them for a 29 like I ride. I agree with about the Magic Marys. Very durable, can take low pressure (for me about 22psi)..But they are heavy, and they roll so slow. On pavement they hum like a big 4x4 truck. Surprisingly, the grip of the Magic Mary isn't very good on the dry, loose desert trails. I think it likes loamy stuff better, in the forest.
  • + 2
 I'e ran the old michelin 2.8, numerous 2.5's and 2.35s, other than the volume of 2.5's saving rims better, I kinda liked the 2.35's lessened rolling resistance while still having hardy blocks
  • + 1
 I've been using a pair of 29X2.6 Schwalbe Nobby Nics on my Chromag this summer. If they had larger side knobs like the Magic Mary they would be ideal. A slightly stiffer casing would be nice on super hard pack too.
  • + 4
 Jeans got skinny and tires got wide.
  • + 1
 FIANLLY the folding bead tubeless ready DH casing Minions are coming... they were shown back in Jan/Feb and radio silence since.

Kind of want a 2.6 DHF DH casing Super Tacky up front on the DH bike...
  • + 1
 Ciao
but can you mount version 2.6 on the 150 pike of my 2016 canon spectral ex 7.0 ??? I already have the DHF WD from 2.5 on wheels sram roam 30 from 21C and i would like to try the 2.6 !!! thank you Marco
  • + 4
 "Hey Mary, has your waist line gone up? I like it!"
  • + 3
 t h i c c Mary
  • + 3
 People think Mt. Biking was just invented! 2.8- 3.0s were normal since the early 2000!
  • + 1
 Im running a magic mary and hans dampf combo (size 27.5 x 2.4) on raceface arc 30 rims and they are already BIG. Its feels like I'm on a CR250 !! what 2.6 looks like I'm in no hurry to find out.
  • + 1
 Lol this is a classy case of bringing crap back we had 10 years ago
2.5 magic marys are already huge oml the dont need too be ang bigger ????
  • + 2
 I'll just try the Onza Aquila Tires in 2.4 because all those tires do is Gwin!!!! Lol
  • + 2
 Maybe continental will mak a 3" tire, that should measure around 2.5", right?
  • + 4
 2.3 AIN'T DEAD
  • + 2
 Can someone explain why Maxxis's 2.5s get the WT designation but the 2.6s don't?
  • + 11
 Nope. Smile
  • + 6
 There are also WT tires in 2.6

WT doesn't just describe tire width, but stands for a tire shaped to have a more rounded profile on a wide rim (35mm and up).
  • + 8
 And u even have a phD..
  • - 1
 having a PhD doesn't mean anything
  • + 3
 Maxxis exec: Why do we have a WT designation on the 2.5 but not the 2.6?

Marketing dept: Its provocative, It gets the bikers going!
  • + 2
 Anything they make with a "WT" stamp is optimized for 30mm+ inner width wheels. It stands for "wide trail"
  • + 1
 @jrocksdh: I don't. It's an MD. But yes, I have a DHF 2.6 that does not have the WT stamp on it, so I was curious.
  • + 1
 @FuzzyL: yeah, I know, which is why I found it odd that the 2.6's wouldn't be designed/intended for use with a wider rim.
  • + 3
 @poah: it turns out my degree isn't in Maxxis tire labeling.
  • + 3
 @indydave124: Haha! NOBODY knows what it means!
  • + 1
 @FuzzyL: they're optimized up to 35mm. (30-35mm inner width according to Maxxis) Not 35mm and up. That's like a full-on plus wheel territory.
  • - 1
 @DrPete: TBF you being a medic explains it all lol
  • + 2
 The WT sidewall note was used on 2.40 and 2.50 tires to show which models are WT optimized and which are older designs. All of our 2.60 models are designed around wide rims.

When in doubt, check the link below to reference our full WT lineup:
www.maxxis.com/widetrail
  • + 1
 @Maxxis: You guys have an answer for everything! Thank you for the Minions, they last longer and have better corner traction then the not so Magic Marrys.

What is the max internal width the 2.6 Minions can be run on? Is it 35 or can it be run on a 40?
  • + 1
 @indydave124: You could if you wanted to carry around the extra rim weight on the 40mm internal width rim. This would be comparable to mounting our older 2.3" tires on i30 rims, it'll square the profile up a bit and will contact the sideknobs earlier as you lean in to a turn.
  • + 1
 @Maxxis: I thought that would be the case but I figured I'd ask in case I was wrong. I have a plus bike and I am running the 2.8 DHF's, they work great but the weight penalty....I guess I'll just have one less beer!
  • + 0
 @Maxxis: why no DHF WT in 26 when you have the DHR2 WT 26 version?
  • + 1
 @poah: Explains what, exactly? Why I don't know the intricacies of Maxxis tire labeling?
  • + 1
 @Maxxis: That makes sense. Thanks.
  • + 2
 @poah: 26x2.50WT Minion DHF is approved for production and will be an early '18 release.
  • + 0
 @DrPete: i was taking the piss cause your a medic Frown
  • + 3
 Sweet, the 2.6" Gazzy Jr I'm running is modern again.
  • + 2
 The Magic Mary '2,6' is merely their 2.5" re-badged "2.6", as the 2.5 was actually 2.6" all along(according to Schwalbe).
  • + 2
 Never understood why we moved away from 2.6 and 2.7 in the first place. Oh yes, in 2005 we started focusing on speed.
  • + 0
 Actually the started focusing on weight.... now the rest of the stuff has gotten so light you can carry the tire weight.
  • + 1
 Hey Andy Bartek, according the Surly there is no new black. They are correct in that statement. lmml
  • + 2
 Does the Onza Shorty now come in a WT version? ;-)
  • + 1
 All we need are thunderburt snakeskin in every size from 2.0-3.0. Problem solved.
  • + 1
 Love my 2.3 Agressors. Might give 2.5 a go.
  • + 1
 Does 26" still exists? O M F G...................................
  • + 2
 yes it does...

DHF example below
26X2.50 55/59-559 60 FOLDABLE 940 SINGLE 65 ST/EXO Black
26X2.50 55/59-559 60 FOLDABLE 860 3C MAXX TERRA 65 3C/EXO Black
26X2.50 55-559 60 FOLDABLE 880 SINGLE 65 EXO Black
26X2.35 52-559 60 FOLDABLE 700 SINGLE 65 Black
26X2.35 52-559 60 WIRE 785 SINGLE 65 Black
26X2.35 52-559 60 WIRE 825 SUPER TACKY 65 ST Black
26X2.30 58-559 120 FOLDABLE 1,035 3C MAXX TERRA 60 3C/TR/DD Black
26X2.30 58-559 60 FOLDABLE 845 3C MAXX TERRA 60 3C/EXO/TR Black
26X2.30 58-559 60 FOLDABLE 845 DUAL 60 EXO/TR Black
  • + 1
 Maxxis! Will Minion DHF 27.5x2.6 WT fit in a non-boost fork?

Thanks!
  • + 2
 Some.
  • + 1
 I'm not Maxxis, but I'm running a 2.6 DHF in my non-boost Fox 36 with loads of clearance.
  • + 1
 I have this setup. Works just fine.
  • + 1
 @DrPete:

Guess I should clarify I'm running a non-boost Pike. And I assume, perhaps incorrectly, that the 36 prob has additional clearance over a Pike?
  • + 1
 @MasterSlater: I'm not sure. I can't imagine they're that different in terms of clearance but I don't have a Pike to check that with. Sorry.
  • + 1
 @MasterSlater: I have a non boost pike. Can confirm it works. Just don't ride in a lot of mud. Being in colorado I don't have that issue.
  • + 1
 @LucWicklund:

Have you measured the actual tread width? Just curious. I have the 2.5 WT DFH now and wondering how much room i have for the 2.6 on 35mm (int) rims.
  • + 3
 @MasterSlater:

on my non boost pike I run a 2.5" Vittoria Martello and the clearance is tightttttt but doable. no room for a mud guard. Know this hardly helps figure if a maxxis will work but hey more info the better ha
  • + 1
 @richsoffar:

How is it measuring up for you width wise? is it true to size? wanting to get some myself but 2.5'' nevegals on a 29mm rim are already tight on my mudguard.
  • + 1
 I have a Minion DHF 27.5x2.6 WT on a 2016 non-boost Lyrik. 34mm inner diameter rim. Plenty of space.
  • + 1
 @contigo:

Good to know... but how did you get your hands on that size already? According to this article and some minimal web sleuthing I thought it was as of yet unreleased?
  • + 1
 @MasterSlater: They're available. $72ish on amazon shipped
  • + 1
 @zepper:

Hmmmm... I see some on amazon but they lack the "WT" designation in their title.

They say "WT" in the description, but not being able to actually see it on the sidewall gives me pause. Especially because this article says they're not available yet.
  • + 1
 @DrPete:

Does your Minion you mention have "WT" on the sidewall?
  • + 1
 @MasterSlater: The 2.6 I have does not. I have used the 2.5WT as well.
  • + 1
 @contigo:

Does the Minion tire you reference say "WT" on the sidewall? If not, you don't actually have a "Wide Trail" tire.

A lot of websites have seemingly inaccurate descriptions of these tires and unless Maxxis changed something recently, a lot of people prob think they have Wide Trail tires when they don't.

I don't think their Plus tires are the same thing. Unless I'm mistaken, WT is a specific tread spacing (indicated on the sidewall) that's different from plus tires as far as I understand. I could of course be wrong. But I know my Wide Trail tires say 27.5x2.40WT on them.
  • + 1
 yes, the Minion DHF 27.5x2.6 fits with plenty of room to spare on a 2017 Rockshox Lyrik (non boost)
  • + 1
 @zepper: I have them installed on 30mm internal rims. I've added two shots that you can look at. Not a lot of room but they fit. They also come in at exactly 2.6.

imgur.com/a/O2lCg

imgur.com/a/mDXl1
  • + 3
 @zepper: The following measurements are on Stans Flow MK3 27.5 rims (29mm internal width):

27.5 x 2.5WT measure 2.375" at the widest point on the tread and 2.291 at the casing

27.5 x 2.6 measure 2.419" at the widest point on the tread and 2.421 at the casing

.... and no, i did not and will never inflate a tire to its max pressure printed on the sidewall in order to measure a tire width like Maxxis's engineers say they do Smile

On a related note... The e13 TRS+ 27.5 x 2.35 (awesome tires by the way) measure 2.34 at the tread and 2.4 at the casing on the same rims...
  • + 2
 @9M119M1:
65mm sidewall to sidewall on a rim with a 30mm id. There's about 3-5ish mm clearance between the tire and fork bridge on a 2015 non boost pike.
  • + 1
 @MasterSlater: WT is not written on sidewall. I guess I don't have a WT version after all.
  • + 1
 @contigo:
You do! Smile see maxxis's comments above.
  • + 2
 @LucWicklund: awesome! thank you for the photos. I see you have a mudflap too. That was my concern whether or not it would fit with my marshguard. I'm gonna give it a try.
  • + 1
 @movitas: Sure I understand on the max pressure to measure, but just curious did you inflate it to max pressure for 24 to 48 hrs after fitting it? Maxxis recommends this to "stretch" the tire out initially which supposedly gives it full size/volume at normal psi's after. Again just curious, not saying its proper or necessary. I've been inadvertantly doing this for years. I have an air compressor and to really seal the beads on the rim on old pre-tubless designed tires that tend to leak out a bunch of air/stans sealant at the bead/rim interface, I would just pump them up to max psi and let them sit in my garage for a day or two so both beads get soaked/sealed w/stans.
  • + 1
 @zepper: The only issue I've had is if I get a small pebble between the treads it'll rub against the flap. It'll eventually fall out, and I've only had this problem on fire roads, never on a downhill or whenever the trail get a little bumpy. Thought I'd give you a warning in case that would annoy you.
  • + 2
 @LucWicklund: Nah, thats fine. I pretend my MTB just became a motorbike. I make additional rev'ing noises, and my wife gets annoyed.

But thanks for the warning!
  • + 1
 @zepper: sweet, thx for the heads up!
  • + 2
 @zepper @contigo

Contigo, I guess you DO have WT tires... this is confusing because Maxxis links to this page:

www.maxxis.com/widetrail

Which I guess indicates that all tires listed within ARE WIde Trail tires, it's just that only some of them carry the actual designation "WT" in their SKU and on their actual sidewall.

This is clearly confusing, as I think Maxxis' intention is that we from now on assume that any tire 2.4" and above is by default carrying the Wide Trail tread design. As most new rims are by default Wide enough to employ the new tread design.

To be clear, online retailers CANNOT be trusted to accurately describe these tires in item descriptions etc. So for me, I want to see that WT designation on the side of the tire. Because otherwise I'm just trusting some web store lackey to accurately describe said product.
  • + 1
 Rubbery figures
  • + 0
 Who buys kenda tires?
  • - 3
 *new
as in they look like every other tire.

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