Mike Sinyard Advocates for Psychedelic-Assisted Therapies Following Decriminalisation in Santa Cruz

Feb 7, 2020
by James Smurthwaite  

Mike Sinyard's Project New Day has increased its efforts advocating for alternative mental health therapies following a Santa Cruz council vote to decrimilaize psychoactive plants and fungi. The vote, that was passed on January 28, includes plants such as magic mushrooms, ayahuasca and peyote.

Project New Day is a non-profit that was set up last year by Sinyard and research scientist, Alli Feduccia, PhD, with the mission of helping people "overcome addiction and actualize mental health through the legal and responsible use of psychedelics". This isn't Sinyard's first attempt at solving mental health issues outside the confines of big pharma either as he also founded The Outride Foundation (formerly The Specialized Foundation) to provide cycling/exercise interventions to improve social, emotional, and cognitive health. It's worth noting that while The Outride Foundation is linked to Specialized, Project New Day is not.

Project New Day will create and run programmes to help people overcome addiction, provide capital to scientists and healers, educate the public and policy makers, and create a community around its ideas and programs.

bigquotesSanta Cruz’s decriminalization is a clear indicator that we are at a tipping point regarding the acceptance of psychedelics as a means to reverse the tide of addiction and other health epidemics sweeping our society. One day soon there will be clinicians in every city in the country implementing proven practices involving psychedelic medicines to help liberate people from the grip of addiction. Project New Day is here to accelerate this effort to heal suffering at the individual and societal level.

Drug addiction, including the opioid crisis, is the biggest threat to our society today. It’s estimated that 133 people are dying from opioids in America every day! Current approaches to helping people who are hooked aren’t working well enough; however, scientific studies are showing that treatments combining psychedelic medicines and human interaction do make a difference.
Mike Sinyard

bigquotesClinical research is showing that psychedelic medicines can bring healing and long-term remission from problematic substance use when experienced within a therapeutic context. Findings like these were instrumental in the US Food and Drug Administration awarding psilocybin ‘breakthrough therapy’ status in 2018.Dr. Feduccia

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332 Comments

  • 138 20
 Victimless crime = No crime. In my opinion. You can't take drugs but you can eat junk food all day. It does not make sense really.
  • 91 10
 Depends where those drugs came from, how where they grown an imported....
Too big a debate to call it victimless
(P.S I'm pro legalisation/decriminalisation)
  • 49 13
 @nojzilla: Then let's legalise it so it doesn't have to be grown and imported under shady circumstances anymore but can be conducted as any other business.
  • 80 19
 Psychedelics are far more than no harm. They are a powerful tool and medicine but having them mostly in the hands of dealers keeps them as a potentialy harmful substance. Only with state approval awareness can be spread on how to use them, that includes microdosing, recreational party use, purely medicinal use to treat disorders and addictions, as well as a spiritual/existential expirience. Mushrooms are not for everybody, meaning they don’t vibe with everyone and they can Induce and have induced dangerous psychotic episodes as well as brought forward mental disease like paranoia or schisophrenia. People picking up mushrooms in nature may mistake them with dangerous and deadly species. Then your dealers LSD tabs can be infused with other shit. That is why it is extremely important we develop science and bases of practicioners around it.

A big step forward but there’s lots to be done. I hope more states as well as European countries will build on this!
  • 6 2
 @Perra: did you not see my P.S?
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flag markg1150 (Feb 7, 2020 at 3:41) (Below Threshold)
 But it will be anyway.
Do people go miles away to a legal outlet to pay alot more for watered down stuff. Or phone there dealer who will deliver/ lives round corner better stuff for less.
See Canada. Still more illegal than legal going round. All its done is increase the amount of people taking it up. Soon as there hooked they will be off to the dealers to save money.
Making the shady people even more
  • 42 9
 @markg1150: I don't know where you take your information from... it makes zero sense and your logic is so messed up that I am sure you took it straight out of your bum. If you were to drink vodka - do you go to a store or do you go to your buddy for his moonshine that can make you blind? Not exactly a case with weed which can be compared to homebrewed beer but definitely a case with compounds like LSD or DMT and even more definitely with MDMA which is known to be infused with actually deadly stuff. But evn if your buddy does some pretentious IPA? Do you go to the store or pub or do you got to him? So don't be ridiculous and talk like a Police official.

"more people will be taking it" - that is the point, ndaaaaa! So that people (after medical examination stating they can use them safely in respect to their potential mental disease status!) actually use psychedelics, kind of like vitamins. And I do lean towards mushrooms more than chemicals, even though each to their own. Opioids are legal, alcohol is legal, in fact I would gladly see alcohol intake more regulated. You have never been taking mushrooms in different doses in different situations and it shows right away. Mushrooms make you want more stable mental state, more insightful, more compassionate, more confident. they slow down time, you get more done. Yes you do. You are more productive without burning out. I sometimes take a 10-15% dose (given 70% is trip to visit a field of pulsing flowers on one of the moons of Saturn and 100% is visiting another dimension and never coming back to where you left off) before going to a party. I am much MUCH more likely to control my alcohol intake, in fact after the first beer "I am vibing enough" - much more careful about how much weed I smoke, and I still have all the giggles! Shrooms got me off snus (swedish tobacco) instantly. The list goes on and on.

As to weed - As Woody Harrelson wrote: if weed was never made illegal, millions of people would have their childhood memories of their dads, filled with them being occasionally stoned and hungry, rather than drunk and angry - let it weigh on you.
  • 35 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Well this explains a few things. Do you feel the shrooms enhance your PB comment game?
  • 20 11
 @chakaping: no. If I'm off Pinkbike for a day or two it's usually because I took some... my PB activity would rather point at use of cocaine or ridalin I think... and I don't do that
  • 3 0
 Very libertarian view. I agree.
  • 4 3
 @WAKIdesigns: why on earth would anyone infuse LSD with anything??? LSD is not even especially expensive, not that popular. And is administred in MICRO grams whereas other drugs are usualy in miligrams... I would say it's impossible to put anyhing active other than LSD on a typical paper blotter. It's just too small to hold 'other shit'.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Feb 7, 2020 at 6:51) (Below Threshold)
 @dj100procentenduro: may be urban legends after Extacy pills containing other drugs. Actually quite a few deaths in Poland not so long ago. But I read about it, maybe portable drugs test industry hahah. But all in all I am told tabs can vary in potence a lot. I’d rather buy them in a pharmacy then...
  • 5 2
 @nojzilla: If you're going to stretch your logic out to the impacts of the production and distribution process, you might also propose outlawing hamburgers due to their ecological and environmental impacts.
  • 3 0
 @Marcencinitas: he might, and that could be a good idea too. Anyway hamburgers are already covered by food safety regulations, so it's not so absurd to extend those regulations to other stuff.
  • 5 0
 Like Peter Tosh said, LEGALIZE IT!
  • 12 0
 @dirtybikejapan: Yes I 100% agree with this. Drugs being illegal in places is often only done to "protect" the people in these typically wealthy places. And in turn that pushes it in the illegal circuit which raises its value and increases crime, intimidation and pollution in the poorer places where people supply the western rich people. I live in the Netherlands which is more or less the hub for illegal drug logistics. Synthetic party drugs are produced here too. And as it is illegal, secretly. Which implies these labs dump their barrels of toxic waste in nature (or they burn it along with their cars) because obviously they can't hand in the toxic waste through the proper channels.

So yeah, the "war against drugs" serves only to protect those in the rich countries. At the expense of pretty much everything else.

Legalizing drops the value to what it is actually worth which in turn makes it much less interesting for the shady peeps to bother with.

I do agree that people do need guidance when using it as drugs work very different on different individuals. But even then, a bad trip of someone who has consciously assumed this risk is a much lower and much more local issue than the worldwide shit we're seeing now.

It still strikes me how against this "war against drugs", alcohol consumption is cultivated, accepted and even appreciated and protected. Post ride beers, French wine, have them if you want but don't act like they deserve to be tolerated more than other types of drugs.
  • 13 11
 @Marcencinitas: just put a heavy tax on meat production... most people eat way too much. A person with seditentiary lifestyle doesn't need more than 50g of quality protein per day. Sugar tax to go together with this. Considering huge part of population consume double the calories they need and combination of sugars and animal fats creates health problems, we'd really be a healthier society and the impact of eating shit, yes, stuffing fat mouths with utter crap and pouring sweetened piss over it would be better on the planet as well. Tax alcohol 3 times please. Beer in particular.
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: From my vast knowledge of MDMA (obtained by watching Drugs, Inc. and confirmed by the link from Newsweek below) about half of what is sold as MDMA is in fact not.

www.newsweek.com/drug-testing-music-festivals-prevention-635026

I don’t know the answers to our drug policies in the US, but it is clear our past and current policies have been dismal failures.
  • 4 3
 @WAKIdesigns: you don’t buy vodka from a dealer because it’s cheap at the store. It’s also in many stores. Pot grown illegally is still much cheaper and easier to get. Here in California the illegal pot trade is still huge. In sacramento county 4-6 grow houses get busted monthly. It’s still big business, even though there are dispensaries all over. I don’t smoke any more but I know people that do. None of them by it legally.
  • 2 2
 Probably better than all of the antidepressants that apparently are speculated to increase risk of dementia.
  • 17 1
 @PtDiddy: That's funny, because I live in California and everyone I know who smokes or uses cannabis buys it from dispensaries now and not a dealer anymore. So much more variety in the store, it's regulated so you know you're not getting doused in pesticides (or anything else for that matter), there are edibles, tinctures, buds.....way more offerings than your neighborhood dealer. Most of the illegal grow houses you hear about are growing for OUT OF STATE buyers who happen to still live, sadly, in godforsaken states stuck in the 18th century and can't buy it legally. Again, legalization (in those other backward states) would get rid of this last vestige of the black market. I know personally seeing all walks of life in our local dispensaries (the old grannie, the working stiff, the business man, etc) that they are more comfortable walking into a nice store, looking at all the product, talking to a professional about it, and walking away with what they know is a quality product, is much better than dealing with Loose Jimmy from 16th and 3rd. Yeah you pay a little more for it, but the convenience, professionalism, and quality make up for it.
  • 1 0
 @Deville64: weird that you say it’s libertarian, I didn’t read anything about the age of consent
  • 1 4
 @WAKIdesigns: I suggest the governments raise taxes just a smidge, and control the flow and subsidize the costs so that everyone (responsible adults of course) can have easy access to as many forms of drugs and alcohol as they see fit, maybe raise taxes even a smidge more to make sure dry out clinics are available, in the rare instance where there is substance abuse.
  • 3 6
 @WAKIdesigns: The honest truth is people self medicate when the appropriate channels fail to solve their problems. The problem with legalizing insert substance here> is it always has a potential for abuse or misuse.
  • 1 1
 @nojzilla: same for food: where does oil, sugar, additives come from? And all of this is legal, well, the product is.
  • 4 5
 Eating 12 bags of Doritos isn’t going to dictate how you treat others, operate a car, or preform a job.
  • 5 7
 The big problem that never gets mentioned is the aftermath. Its all well and good talking about victimless, safe production, blaa blaa blaa. But what happens to you when you take it and keep taking it? As someone that works in an area that is very much exposed to that world, you would not believe how many lives I have seen ruined due to cannabis/low class drug use either through developed mental health issues, driving collisions, domestic violence or it gatewaying to heroin, crack, etc. Then suddenly its not victimless to that person, the victims of the drug driving incident or the ones they steal from to fund their intensified addiction. That is not such an issue with cigarettes, burgers or even beer (except maybe domestics and driving!).
There is but one reason that beer and fags are legal...you could never make it illegal and the tax income is waaaaaay higher than the burden it generates.
  • 2 0
 @markg1150: Tee hee, ironically, as of 10am, your rating is +4-20.
  • 10 6
 @ilovedust: I would really like to talk to a person who takes even medium dose of mushrooms or LSD, wakes up next day and goes: I have to do it more often. And yeah you may think of it As “same with hang over” but actually it can last for months. As Alan Watts have said it: “Once you got the message you can put down the phone”

As simple as that.
  • 4 12
flag chasejj (Feb 7, 2020 at 10:17) (Below Threshold)
 @fracasnoxteam: Don't equate the necessity of food intake with the entirely voluntary pursuit of drug use. Humans can and will always abuse and misuse any substance , but drug use is entirely unnecessary and destructive.
  • 3 10
flag Yetimike2019 (Feb 7, 2020 at 10:25) (Below Threshold)
 @rivercitycycles: chemical imbalances do not exist! #nevertakemedicine
  • 8 3
 @Yetimike2019: tell that to people who are chronically depressed. Don’t treat it as one suits all. People do ruin their lives, their relationships because the think “don’t take medicine”
  • 1 1
 @WAKIdesigns: that’s was absolute sarcasm my friend! I think this whole comment thread is silly!
  • 7 1
 @WAKIdesigns: on a personal note, as a former EMT who has seen a lot, and a son to mother with severe anxiety and depression, I know full well the power of chemical imbalances, or PTSD. To the judgmental people in this comment thread I say, you are lucky that you don’t understand why some people need to medicate.
  • 2 0
 @bridgermurray: Yeah, but eating too many Twinkies could result in murder.
  • 3 4
 @rivercitycycles: have you tried mushrooms up to at least legal dose? I am open for discussion and curious. Actually, honestly, unusually humbly
  • 1 4
 @WAKIdesigns: when I was a stupid teenager! What is the legal dose? How can you even measure the legal dose from a dried mushroom?

My point is you “solving” a problem with a program like this but do you know you’re not creating more problems?
  • 2 0
 @rivercitycycles: lol I think we have seen enough history to know that everything is has the potential for abuse and misuse, perhaps even more if illegal and unregulated. Also blanket generalizing anything is usually inaccurate. I wish mental health was just three simple steps and solved, but it’s clearly not.
  • 2 3
 @rivercitycycles: sorry I edited it. I meant medium dose that is unlikely to cause ego death. So have you tried 1.5g to 3g of Cubensis? Or 20-40 Liberty caps?
  • 1 0
 @PtDiddy: here in Oklahoma you can get $100oz all day from dispensary.
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: walking the walk I see. Good. Time to start posting PB comments from the other side. It'd make Hunter S Thompson sound like Harry Potter. Got any drawings that came out of you when tripping?
  • 8 0
 @rivercitycycles: Friend, you REALLY need to read Micheal Pollan's book How To Change Your Mind.

There are in fact many books out there on this subject but Pollan does a thorough job of going over the current research regarding using psychedelics for the treatment of addiction, PTSD, depression, anxiety, etc. He also spent time going through the psychedelic experiences he wrote about himself before writing the book and so is able to give firsthand accounts of his experience with the various psychedelics out there that are being used. To talk about mushrooms as a "problem" just indicates an ignorance regarding this issue. Mushrooms are NOT (can I bold this somehow) NOT addictive. Not. Not even. So just stop. Okay? They're not. In fact, a lot of people use them once, and that's it. And that's part of the effectiveness cited in the research, that is, the lasting effects the experience has on people whereby 6 months to a year later people report how that one experience changed their lives forever in a positive way. We currently have ZERO pharmaceuticals that allow a patient to take ONE dose and have lasting effects for the disorders psychedelics are showing promise to treat. Not a one. This is why this area of research has gone mainstream and why the FDA upgraded psilocybin to "breakthrough therapy" status. Now, Pollan points out that in some cases patients may want to come back on a yearly or as needed basis for a micro-dose experience but that that would be a case-by-case basis. Lastly, as the experts in this field know and stress, anyone can have a "bad trip." But this is normally due to what is called "set and setting." And treating people for certain disorders using psychedelics requires the proper "set and setting" in order to avoid the "bad trip" and ensure a therapeutic and positive experience. I would recommend doing some more research into this area to disabuse yourself of antiquated beliefs held over from the War On Drugs era and familiarize yourself with the current research regarding this issue.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Feb 7, 2020 at 12:20) (Below Threshold)
 @BenPea: man... I tried. it wasn’t the intoxication making me unable to do it. I just felt... “they know anyways“. And once when it was really intense, the jester inside me came out and I shat myself, I went: no, no, no I don’t want you here, please go away. I saw the destructive side of the jester, the joker, the prankster capable of awful things,I started imagining/seeing atrocities one can do to people for fun. I was going to a very, very bad place very quickly and decided to not go there, managed to go back to constructive thoughts. When lights, patterns turn into skulls and screaming faces, it’s time to bail...
  • 1 3
 @Yetimike2019: WTF, are well all robots then! Humans live with chemical imbalances daily #consultapsychiatrist
  • 3 1
 @rivercitycycles: sarcasm helps me cope!
  • 3 0
 @BenPea: now it's clear how the Grim Donut's drawing came to be. It may also explain some of the posts.
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns: mmmkay. Smaller dose next time.
  • 1 0
 @rivercitycycles: woohoo! All aboard the opioid train!!
  • 1 2
 @BenPea: No, all aboard the personal responsibility train. #keepitreal
  • 3 5
 @rivercitycycles: heh, with that logic why aren’t you bigger than Elon Musk? It’s your fault! You are a failure
  • 1 0
 Wouldn't recommend riding while getting far out man.
  • 3 1
 @ilovedust: Ahhhh I feel like the gateway argument is bs. If it did hold any truth, alcohol would most often be the gateway as most people drink before using drugs.
  • 5 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Woody Harrelson father was a Hit Man who killed a lot of people for money. Not the best person to get advice from. Woody is a drug user due to his hectic upbringing with a murderer as a father. Maybe we all need to stop using substances to escape reality and just go for a bike ride.
  • 1 1
 @emptybe-er: It is!
  • 2 1
 @Eric27: please be able to separate the author from the message... Because message is very powerful. Bike rides are an escape from reality, very expensive one in terms of money, time and attention span. A bunch of folks riding and talking bullshit about conquering fear, overcoming weakness and often the super lame post ride beer. All that to replace the inner ape that used to hunt for survival, position themselves in the pack/ tribe now being too comfortable. Action sports are just that. Reenactment of the real thing, because reality of being a wuss in the office or selling bullshit to people as a sales person is too much to handle. Desperate attempt at finding meaning. Come on... zoom out, look at it from a perspective. MTB is silly escapism
  • 4 5
 @WAKIdesigns: Most of these deadbeats need to get married and have children and raise them properly. That is real meaning of life. No drugs needed. Life is too great when you see those little ones.
  • 2 1
 @Eric27: Well said !!!
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 Reading this gave my inner voice temporary trump accent syndrome. It’s surprisingly helpful when trying to process flawed inferential leaps (aka poor reasoning)
  • 1 1
 @emptybe-er: It is, prohibition wasn't the worst thing.
  • 2 1
 @Eric27: but alcohol is more damaging and deadly than weed or psychedelics by far (factual), so that disrupts the order of the gateway argument. Psychedelics would have to be the gateway drug with that reasoning. I haven’t met anyone who ate a few grams of blue-stalked cubensis before ever smoking or drinking. Alcohol would be nestled between coke and heroin in the danger hierarchy.
  • 2 0
 Gateway drug: A habit-forming drug that, while not itself addictive, may lead to the use of other addictive drugs. Does that sound like alcohol? @ATV25:
  • 1 0
 And you might want to research why the prohibition was a fail. @ATV25:
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 @chasejj: Tell that to every human civilization since day one (apart from those corrupted by coercive religions built upon distortions of the message of prophets).
  • 2 0
 @emptybe-er: Because at least half the adult population wanted to carry on drinking. The Volstead Act was riddled with contradictions, biases and corruption, and the lack of a specific ban on consumption hopelessly led failure.
  • 2 0
 @nojzilla: just remember that historically, if pharmaceutical companies can’t profit from a drug, natural or synthetic, they will do anything in their power to outlaw the substance if it directly competes with them.
Big Pharma at its best.
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 @ATV25: yes population wanted to keep drinking and liquor makers wanted to sell liquor. Vast majority of people wanted to take a mind altering substance that is easy to distill at home from widely available plants and fruits. The problem is, it is easy to also turn into actual poison That can make you blind or even kill you at low dosage. Hence state controlled supervision of production, quality control standards are necessary. Prohibition took away that.

If you want a mind altering substance that everone is on, including you, it is called “internet” And the most potent version of it is social media.
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 @Lotusoperandi: Totally agree with you. Just for historical perspective though...(no it has nothing to do with The validity of your point. It’s just interesting) Weed or hemp as it was called in the 18th century was totally legal. Washington and Jefferson wrote letters to each other on the best cultivation methods. From what I’m given to understand some of them even discussed the best way to isolate the female plants. It wasn’t until the early 20th century that cannabis/hemp fell out of favor. Sadly as with many things In our country it has its roots in racism. Many people didn’t like the Mexicans with their “marijuana” that they were bringing into the country. In 1937 a Punitive tax was imposed on the sale of cannabis all but making it illegal. This was in response to the “vipers” as black people who smoked hemp were referred to. By the mid 1940’s medical use of it was discontinued in favor of commercial pharmaceuticals, and the Nixon administration put the nails in the coffin by making it a class 1 substance. Declaring it as having zero medical benefit. Nixon hated marijuana as he felt it was a drug favored by the counter culture and black people “darkies” as he referred to them. Nixon was a known hater of both those groups. Sadly as a result of these misguided views untold thousands maybe millions of people have ended up with criminal records. The illegal black market has thrived helping to give us drug cartels. Yeah prohibition era gave us organized crime and Al Capone. We really never learn from history. The end result is that research ended for decades on what is quite possibly the most useful plant on the planet. The myriad of products that can be made from it is amazing, including a type of graphene that is over 5000 times cheaper to make than regular graphene. Farmers shouldn’t be made to grow a plant with less than .03% THC in order to call it hemp. They are forced to destroy any crops that test higher than that. I wouldn’t call it 18th century policy, I’d call it downright medieval!
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 @fattyheadshok: I have zero problem with recreational weed but I am highly suspicious of non active medicinal weed. Unlike psychedelics the research is rather inconclusive, despite more and more clinical trials being made. Secondly quite many influencers and straight out conmen are hyping it out as something that helps anything, finally there’s quite a damn unnaturally booming industry behind it all out of a sudden as soon as it got legalized. Look no further than this bullshit commercial with Fest series guy massaging CBD oil into his wrist. It All smells “let’s get rich fast before they figure out it’s bullshit”.

I do believe that psychoactive part can be truly therapeutical if administered correctly. But CBD part, I’ll wait until people come with actual research confirming it, because most of what I read it is smoking/ edibles that are helping selected individuals.
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 @Murph86: exactly why THC is illegal, starting in the US, which then exerted influence via the UN to other countries.

Good: Re-engineering foreign societies and economies, through trade or military sanctions, to serve the lobbies that fund the parties.
Bad: a nice doobie on a mountain top.
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 @fattyheadshok: This level of detail and clarity will get you nowhere in a 2020 debate.
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 @ATV25: And they did carry on because it was a disgustingly religious/politically driven solution (for all), to a social problem/disease that most didn’t have. All the religious propaganda and corruption killed respect organizations who supported prohibition, the kkk were enjoying a rebirth supporting and enforcing it, not out of concern for others but out of concern for their own agenda. Legislating morality, imposing puritan destiny, would’ve driven me to drink as well. Oh and it was too expensive, gov needed that paper.
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 Whoops typo.. “Killed respect *for all* organizations that supported...”
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 @emptybe-er: I was just about to say it. Whoever thinks prohibition Is great assumes that those who impose it and execute it are just people actually wanting others to stop drinking. Except politicians have always been corrupted and those who legislated prohibition surely were drinkers themselves.

I also love accusing users of alcohol or weed or shrooms or coke, heroine, or meth or whatever they out into same bag as “escapists”. Yeah you can drink or smoke weed to feel better when you feel like shit. Try a larger dose of mushrooms in a bad mood, they’ll fk you up and make you regret you fk with them. The sole fact that By default you have to get out of whatever hole you are in before you take them. They motivate me to put myself in order because I want to take them. That is why they are mot popular among a certain part of people who took them,
particularly among control freaks.

Now, what is the probability that folks who are not into substances and like prohibition are control freaks with irrational fear of losing control?
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 @dj100procentenduro: here in the states tabs can be laced with PCP which is an entirely different and at more harmful chemical
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 @fattyheadshok: you should check out the Randolf Hurst and the Dupont nylon fibre patent connection to see why they even started using the Mexican slang name; the whole thing was done for profit and market share. Very sad Frown
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 @WAKIdesigns: yes, agree. And everyone needs some control but control freaks seem to be Usually driven by fear Of the unknown and experiencing change. Unrealistic expectations.
For some people, even before the yawns start kicking in, as soon as something unfamiliar is felt, they want the trip to be over and worry they’re permanently high af. I’ve talked a few down from that space when experimenting in college in larger groups, very interesting. And these were happy people, not yet fully adulting or really stressed. Some people seem to almost immediately forget they willingly ate shrooms in order to get high and want to undo it. But if nothing happened they’d be pissed that they were ripped off. Comically unrealistic mindset. We came away not worrying as much about anxiety, fear, and being automatically defensive. Very inexpensive exposure therapy. But I agree, it’s not something for immediate avoidance or escaping stress, it will help you let go of harmful preconceived and otherwise subconscious bs (in time) for many
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 @WAKIdesigns: At one point in my life I was interested in Alan Watts so I read everything he ever wrote. Then I put it down and made myself a better person by erasing that nonsensical doper drivel from my mind.
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 @dicky1080: I will read about that thank you.
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 @WAKIdesigns: our medical weed has plenty of THC in it. Lots of strains and variety are available as well. CBD needs THC to activate it honestly.
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 @JohanG: at some point in my life I too was interested in Alan Watts. Then Noam Chomsky, Raj Patel, Tony Robbins (oh boy that was a ride, I really thought I will be a millionaire because discipline and setting clear goals solve everything! ) Jocko Willink and I kind of stopped on that psycho David Goggins. So,,, discpipline discipline! One more rep! be hard mother f*cker! Go under water, stay there for 5 minutes, then get out take a breath now! You mother f*cker! You must want discipline as much as you wanted to breathe!!!

So... at some point after sudying different schools of thought, as well what actual science tells us... one may realize that some people are in one sort of things and some are into other... maybe it depends on chemical composition of their brain? Which side of the brain is more dominant? I am into stoicism now
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 In US, if they can't tax it, is a crime!
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 @drivereight: If it is legal, there is no reason why they won't be able to tax it. There are taxes on tobacco and alcohol too. As far as I know, only Cuban tabacco is illegal over there Wink .
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 @WAKIdesigns: @WAKIdesigns: @WAKIdesigns: stoicism as an alternative to exploration of the consciousness and the deeper meanings in life is just another way to avoid the pain that it comes with. you have clearly tasted "it" whatever u wanna call it. the divine, the infinite love, oneness, connection, all encompassing healing. don't let a bunch of old beer and coffee drinking staunch old men strip you of your wonder and love. You know what i'm talking about, guys like vernon felton who just take themselves wayyyy to seriously. Mountain biking is a beautiful medium of connection, not just to nature, but to the simple sense of play that society has tried so hard to rip from our internal child. You don't need to take psychedelics to explore this stuff, they're simply another tool in the box. It's not often that we need an 8mm allen key but when we do, we sure do appreciate it. You are so loved, not just by me, but by anyone else who knows what you are denying yourself of.
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 @WAKIdesigns: also, i'm here if you ever need anyone to talk to about this painful stuff, as awesome as the mountain biking community is, its not one that's rooted in mindfulness or healing.
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 @dk861: upvote for the love
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 @dk861: I actually discovered the “divine” and oneness without psychedelics and even have a record of it. I actually recorded one of most intense meditation sessions I had. A lot with help of reading and hearing lectures of Karl Jung. I got into psychedelics quite simply because of Joe Rogan and his guests Smile After the podcast with Laul Stamets I started reading a lot and found out that Liberty Caps grow in Sweden. Took two seasons to learn to find them. It is 100% clear to me that Some people, like me are simply very open to this substance. I am for instance not really in tune with weed, it works rarely As described and alcohol Is just becoming less and less interesting. It’s too much of a rush, too much feeling like crap the day after and I am Observing way too much of overblown “yeaaaah we’re drunk, we’re so cool!” (Most Often on subconscious level) In adults socializing with use of alcohol. Very much like teenagers entering the world of mind altering substances bragging about how drunk they are. I am very sensitive to it, I read body language, face expressions, I see how me myself as well as others say things only to say them to bond with others, but with a high ego charge in it. “hey! Listen to how funny I am” or “listen to my story now!” Or “I am adding this little joke because I feel I am losing my position here”. I used to do a lot of overanalyzing and Psychedelics kind of compress this internal dialogue, in one session at even medium-low dose I am able to do a month worth of pondering, and I get much better at removing the weeda from thoughts... I have lots of cleaning to do and not reacting to thoughts... I need to meditate again...
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 The purple glowing lizard on my shoulder told me this would happen. He didn't use words, but I know what he meant.
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 The guy on here asking 4500 for his rebuilt/repainted Santa Cruz 2005 Blur must have been on some of those mushrooms. I dont wanna mention his name out of respect for his privacy, but when I mentioned it is probably worth more like 1000$ at the most, he got all emotional and insulted.
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flag sosburn (Feb 7, 2020 at 6:38) (Below Threshold)
 if i’m correct on who this blur belongs to, that is pretty insulting. even if it wasn’t worth what he was asking, lowballing like that is kind of a dick move.
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 Perhaps he had tall glass of MSRP laced kool aid?
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 @sosburn: I wasn't lowballing him an offer. I was just commenting on one of his listing pics because I couldn't believe the price he was asking. I mentioned that while it may be worth that to him because of the time and money spent, that doesn't always translate into resale value. Especially on a bike that's from 2005. His response was the msrp prices of the parts he put on and I said in reality the bike is probably worth around 1000$ and would be much better parting it out.
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 @seismicninja: people don’t usually want to hear the truth. When one points out the truth, unsolicited, it can be problematic. If you have nothing nice to say, etc.
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 @CircusMaximus: you are absolutely right. I probably shouldn't have even said anything but I just couldn't even believe he was asking that much.
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 "Drug addiction, including the opioid crisis, is the biggest threat to our society today..." This is an excellent example of someone saying something and people just accepting it as fact. If by "threat", he means deaths (and I assume he does as he says an estimated 133 people per day die, assuming in the USA), then there are 13 times as many people dying from heart disease annually in the USA, and them there's cancer, accidents, respitory illness, stroke, Alzheimers, diabetes, influenza and pneumonia, even suicide. Source: Centre for disease control.
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 Agree with what you said, he loses a little credibility in my opinion with that statement.

Add excessive alcohol consumption to that list, a 100% legal drug with 241 deaths per day. That’s the equivalent of a 737 airliner crashing everyday and killing all on board everyday of the year.
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 @rossluzz: But then how do you go after the "Evil Pharma Companies" without establishing that opioids are the biggest threat? Gotta build that straw man first before you can burn it down.
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 Dude we’re loosing that many people a month in BC due to opioids, I’m sure that 133 number is for a very localized area. The opioid crisis,(caused by big pharmaceutical companies) is very widespread, and impacts a very wide demographic base.
Very cool to see Mike Sinyard setting up his second non profit to help mental illness.
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 @Honda750: Big pharama didn't write the prescriptions and force these pills down anyone's throats. They also didn't cause everyone to somehow loose all self-control. A small percentage of all the addicts out there started taking these for legitimate pain management. The prescribing Drs. are equally to blame. As far as unscrupulous sales reps go, yes, that was an issue, but the FDA clamped down on that over 10yrs ago, and the penalties for bending the rules are high. Any big pharma company will fire your ass ASAP if you get caught bending said rules, in addition to prosecuting you, to avoid the negative press alone. The days of wining and dining Drs. and giving extravagant gifts are long gone.
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 @SlodownU: "Big pharama didn't write the prescriptions and force these pills down anyone's throats" - are you freaking kidding me? You feel like crap, don't want to leave your bed every morning, feel like everyone is against you or your kid just runs around the house screaming and shouting, getting in trouble with other kids and teachers, you go to the doctor kind of helpless and what do you think you get?! Behavioral therapy? A book on self help? You get pills and a visit to a woman that will tell you to count to 4 when you get stressed.

I went to a doc with mild depression and first thing he does he hands me out Xannax. In Sweden! Where problem is much lower. Second doc - and same shit, just a different version, different dosage. oh I will check all youtube channels related to depression and drugs and try to self medicate - let's see what happens! Doc I can't focus, I am tired all the time - how about a little Adderal... you'll talk like a higher officer in a pyramid scheme!

This sort of mentality "don't trust the doc" is exactly what causes certain people to turn into antivaccers, vegans, paleo, straight edge, 180 fork on a hardtail and they don't get any less crazy. But the twist is, doc cannot actually be trusted! These people just get one or more steps further in mistrust to actual authority (that's supposed to be trustful and following fkd up influencers.
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flag SlodownU (Feb 7, 2020 at 7:30) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: News flash for you, the rules in the EU are different. Second news flash for you, Xanax and Oxy went generic a looooong time ago. Big Pharma has nothing to do with them any more since they are available from the 5000 generic companies out there. So who's making the Drs. prescribe them now?
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 @SlodownU: you rep for Perdue??? You’ve got your head pretty buried in the sand there! It’s a pretty grim situation, having personally witnessed people who’ve gone from medically prescribed dope, to having it yanked away in the depths of their doctor prescribed addiction, to turning to street drugs.. it’s a lot more common than you think.

do a pinkbike poll see how many of us have been prescribed opioids for injuries. Bet you there’s a lot of us.
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 @Honda750: Oxy went generic 7 years ago, its all generic now. So who's forcing your Drs. to prescribe it? Purdue is being punished (rightfully so) for its practices from over 20yrs ago. It was a different time in the industry then. However, they have nothing to do with the newer crop of addicts since they haven't been "pushing" this for over 10yrs now. None of the big pharma guys have, so who's forcing these Drs. to keep prescribing these now (all drugs off patent)? Head buried in the sand? All due respect, but you have no clue how the industry works. Very few big pharmas are in the generics game because the margins are so low. Those that are in are very limited.

I know lots of folks who were prescribed opioids for injuries (myself included). The drugs did their job when we were hurt, but shockingly none of us have become addicts. All unused drug was tossed when it expired. Does no one take personal responsibility for their actions any more?
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 @SlodownU: So they “generics” are made by Dr Evil? They’re still being made by big pharmaceutical companies! Hey I’m glad that you and your buddies, like me and several others have taken opioids and haven’t had the pain levels that led to addiction.

I’m sorry your vision is so one sided and you think that addiction is a choice. It’s not for many.
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 @Honda750: No, generics are not big pharma. There are big generic companies, but they are not considered big Pharma. Pharma actually discovers and develops drugs, generics just make established drugs once they are off patent, no research or development, just making. You don't need to be big to make a generic, you just need the manufacturing capability. Generics don't need to pimp drugs either, when you're prescribed a drug, you automatically get the generic version (in the US anyway) or insurance wont' reimburse you, since there is a cheaper option out there.

For many, addiction isn't a choice. If you've been on pain killers for a condition and are now hooked, no, it wasn't your choice. But what if you started by taking a prescription drug recreationally (like many, many have)? What, its not your fault then?
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 @SlodownU: who cares who prescribes them? What are you on about? Private healthcare VS national?
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 @WAKIdesigns: Just making a point that the current wave of addiction has nothing to do with big pharma, since big pharma isn't a big player in the opioid business anymore because the drugs have gone generic. Between that and the law changes against unscrupulous sales practices, where is everyone getting these drugs from?
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 @SlodownU: no big pharma gives free trips to Hawaii to doctors that push the pills and forget to mention the side effects.
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 @Sshredder: Uh no, they don't. Source?
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 @SlodownU:Totally agree with your post. I've had 6 knee surgeries and 1 shoulder. All were prescribed Opioids for pain. For sure in the case of ACL recovery you do get addicted. But its not like I wasn't told that by my Dr.. The alternative was misery. So you use your judgement and taper off as they advise and eventually you are off in 2 weeks or so. The constant victimization of Opioid users is complete BS. Nobody made you take them. BTW- I have a bottle in my med cabinet with maybe 100 leftovers. I keep them for a rainy day in case something happens and I can't get to my surgeon for a short period. I don't take them recreationally which is what 99% of these supposed Opioid "victims" are doing. Sinyard is a douchebag who is part of the suicidal liberal effort in California to rampant drug abuse, lawlessness and social decay. One trip to Santa Cruz or SF and the effects of this mentality are plain to see. Sinyard just made certain I will not be getting that 2020 Enduro I was considering.
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 @SlodownU: They need to stop prescribing aderol and other "meth-lite" drugs to kids. Utah has an epidemic right now because people need a release from the crazy world we live in. 30 years ago there weren't as many depressed people on prescription drugs. Seems a lot like in the 80's when crack showed up in the inner city. Drugged people are easier to control

Psychedelics help folks step out of their ego;
I feel the anti-depressant quality of exercise every time I go pedal a bike.
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 @Chonky13: Adderall is another drug that’s off-patent, generic now. Drs are no longer incentivized to sell. Unfortunately we live in a world now where it’s easier for a Dr to just prescribe a pill vs. actually diagnose an issue. It’s actually their diagnostic procedure now, prescribe a pill, it it doesn’t work, prescribe another till something works. The newer school of inexperienced Drs these days is just scary.

Going for a ride does more for me mentally than any drug in the world can.
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 @Chonky13: Totally agree. Kids are selling Adderall for testing periods and using w/o pX everywhere. Parents are pushing their kids -particularly boys to take this as the schools become completely polluted with the effeminate behavior agenda being forced on schools by the admins in these schools. Boys are particularly being impacted by this.
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flag chasejj (Feb 7, 2020 at 8:30) (Below Threshold)
 @Honda750: Bullshit. Addiction is always a choice.
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 @chasejj: Its not so much the effeminate behavior, more of the liberal agenda of political correctness, the "every one deserves a trophy just for showing up", and competition is bad mentality. My kids school got rid of the honor roll because it makes all of those that didn't make it "feel bad". Best thing to do is spend time with your kids, do a lot of activity outdoors (away from screens), and cultivate a love of activity and the outdoors.
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 @SlodownU: I call it Effeminate because their is an actual war on boys and the behavior that boys natural exhibit as part of their maturing process. It starts with admonishing them early in grade school for just minor displays of aggressive behavior and progresses from there all the way through HS and contributes to parents seeking a solution with drugs(Adderall).
TBH- I would have homeschooled my kids rather than moving to the most expensive area and putting my kids in what is the BEST rated schools in the US, had I known going in how demented the education system had become.
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 @SlodownU: Google Oxycodone and how the pharma companies told doctors it's not addictive .
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 @SlodownU: you’d be more compelling if you knew the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist and why people go to one or the other. People just assume every mental health doctor and pediatrician is out there giving pills to every patient. They aren’t.
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 @Sshredder: My surgeon made very clear how addictive Oxy is and we used it after ACL surgery. It takes discipline and a systematic approach to taper off it. It does the job like any Opioid post surgery. It's not a recreational drug and was never intended as such. People that use it like that get what is coming to them. Use your brain.
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 @SlodownU: I just mean that opioid addiction comes from doctors prescribing it. Who makes them do it, is irrelevant. Think of it as your doctor prescribing you an E-bike. Meanwhile out of all mind altering substances (again if you are predisposed to take them, small portion of humanity isn’t!) psychedelics are most likely to make you go “I Want to be happy with what I have to play with I need to make the best of what I have, I am fortunate in so many ways”. To paraphrase Joe Rogan: If you do it right you may wake up next day with empty desktop with one folder “old shit” and it is your choice to start bringing the stuff out. It breaks the behavior patterns and social connection so you have a genuine new start
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 @WAKIdesigns: Fact-Opioids are necessary for pain management ,post surgery. Unless you've had major surgeries you may not realize it. They have very legitimate uses. The abuse is people that use them for recreational purposes and go to Doctor's with bullshit symptoms to game the medical profession into giving them their drugs and having health insurance cover it.
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 @chasejj: I know, I do not use ABUSE as a mean of discrediting the whole thing. Many people do need them to function but the reality the number of using them is much higher that one in need. Like E-bikes. I am not against e-bikes, please understand that I am not for or against. I just point at a reckless manner of prescribing opioids for long term use.
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 @chasejj: unless your body doesn’t tolerate them, then you suffer through. I don’t recommend shoulder reconstruction without pain meds...
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 @chasejj: nope your are just full on pushing your shit far right agenda.

Bernie 2020.
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 @chasejj: and just regurgitating Ben shapiro jordan peterson and the like.

Nothing but a right wing parrot.
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 @reverend27: LOL! You're funny.
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 @DHhack: You'd be more compelling if you actually showed some reading comprehension. Exactly where did I even mention psychiatrists or psychologists?
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 @WAKIdesigns: My point is that who is pushing these Drs. to still prescribe them? Over the last 10yrs, they've clamped down on pharma. Its the Drs. themselves who suck these days, that was my point.
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 @chasejj: I understand what you're trying to say. I think this new anti-aggressive attitude has enabled much of the bullying and cyber bullying that happens these days. Boys and girls aren't conditioned to defend themselves any more. I've taught my kids to defend themselves if someone is aggressive with them, and they take martial arts to learn how to fight if they have to. In adult life, you can't count on someone being there to help you, you need to take care of yourself.
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 @Sshredder: Yea, that's 10-15yr old information. Whats everyone's excuse today? Who do you want to blame your problems on now?
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 @reverend27: Right because taking accountability and taking care of yourself is so right wing. Maybe you all wouldn't be such pussies if you listened to your father, who likely gave you the same advice as Jordan Peterson.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Feb 7, 2020 at 14:42) (Below Threshold)
 @SlodownU: man, sure human error, weakness and lazyness are always involved. Because it’s natural. Just like it is natural for pharma earning money by selling drugs, and in order to do that it is natural for them to lobby. Hence when many people say “big pharma” they mean just that even though they may not realize it. It would be foolish to assume that pharmaceutical companies are not trying to increase their sales. They are an organism like any other. Expand and develop. Only vegans and paleo,s don’t. They are into stagnation because they think one can grow by virtue signaling.
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 @SlodownU: you didn’t, hence the weakness of your rant. I was merely pointing out the deficiencies. Unfortunately your reading comprehension isn’t up to sniff and you completely missed the point.
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 @WAKIdesigns: They are trying to increase sales, of course. Developing drugs isn’t cheap, and you need to make an ROI. For every oxy there are 1000 life saving drugs. And to be clear, there are people out there with chronic conditions, or in hospice, where these opiates allow them to have some semblance of life quality. Know anyone unfortunate enough to have cancer?
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 @SlodownU: you Seem to have put yourself into a particular corner of the room With a particular set of opinions and tell everyone how wrong they are Because they are not walking into that corner after stating pledge of allegiance to you and your view. Why do you talk to me as if I was not sharing many sentiments To pharmaceutical industry as well as particular drugs as you do? I just meant that I understand where opioids come from, who they serve and potential of their use and abuse by both users and producers. But abuse of opioids under umbrella of pharmacology is a fact. Humans abuse everything. Antidepressants, pain killers, suppements, sugar, protein, broccoli, phones, weed, mushrooms but not all of these substances are legal. Hell I am sure with right dosage and administration to a right person cocaine can be very productive. But different things have different potential for abuse and abuse of different substances have different results. That includes avocados. For fuks sake I want to stuff a bunch of avocados down the ass of vegan fitness influencers...
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 Seems suspicious opiates were pushed since the civil war for pain, then it becomes an epidemic. In all this time passed they can't come up with a effective alternative. Some people actually have pain and are demonized because of all the abuse. Corruption and money fuel the pharmaceutical industry. Hope natural effective alternatives are available in my lifetime. They have been studying hallucinagenics for decades to treat all sorts of things. Keep up the work , but speed it up.
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 @jorgeposada: and there it is. There are three basic classes of opiates; synthetic, semi-synthetic and natural. If you don’t know what a poppy is...?
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 @SlodownU: you’re wrong, it’s rarely the provider pushing the clients to use more, most of the time it’s the clients pushing the providers to prescribe more.

After ten days of daily opioid use, dependence has begun, so the current rule of thumb is no more than ten days for the initial prescription. But damn if folks don’t ask for more even when you tell them it’s a bad idea.

Tell em no and it’s tears, threats, manipulation, etc.... to be quite honest, it sucks to prescribe controlled substances.

Problem is, there are millions of people who have been taking opiates daily for years, they have pain, nothing else works, many are older.

It’s not so easy as you think.

and I’m a provider.
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 @SlodownU: So, how do you explain the resistance to cannabis and other natural alternatives? At my healthcare provider, a 'progressive' California-based private provider, the bulletin boards in the exam rooms are filled with Regan-era bullsh!t propoganda about the dangers of cannabis and not a single warning of the dangers of their f#cking opioid poison. Yeah, I'm sure there is no money involved there.
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 @DHhack: I know the poppy better than you can imagine.
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 @GeoMurph5: Depends on the Dr. for things like pain, there are no clinical studies that back cannabis up, just anecdotal evidence. I’m all for decriminalizing weed btw, don’t think it’s any more harmful than alcohol when taken in moderation.
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 @SlodownU: CBD oil is consistently proven to be the snake oil of 21st century. CBD is basically a gateway for THC legalization, so please forget I wrote the first sentence. It’s some messed up idea, like microdosing lsd and and shrooms is to a certain level, that one can get all the benefits without psychoactive effects. It’s like alcohol free beer. Oh I get the party vibe I just don’t get drunk, except in case of alcohol, beer in particular, the damage goes much further than that, I mean it makes you fat and increases chances of getting an array of diseases. The psychoactive components of THC and psychedelics are vital elements of the therapy. You can read accounts of soldiers with PTSD where they state clearly that smoking weed or eating cookies allows them to put their mind in a better place, allows some of them to sleep at all. Yes it is to a certain degree a getaway drug. As to psychedelics it is the very process of dramatic alteration of consciousness, capable of creating a lasting change. You have to trip. It is the privilege as much as a sacrifice. It is extremely hard to take a large dose when you have a job and a family because it is very hard to find a good setting which is crucial for the success of the therapy.
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 @SlodownU: BTW I microdosed for 1,5 month according to the method and didn’t notice benefits. I get however benefit from mildly active dosage once per 2 - 3 weeks which is 3-4x microdose potency. So it surely is personal. I get more positive benefit from cold exposure. Which after a short Wym Hof hype period is also getting proven to be bullshit. Effects are subjective and thus hard to measure.
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 @nurseben: Bingo! I've been at my Dr.'s office and listened to the whining for more. It's so obvious that they are looking for recreational use.
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 @iamamodel I think the statement is accurate because those addicted to heavy drugs (heroine, meth, fentanyl, etc) and alcohol have their lives are destroyed by it and heavily affect those around them. I live in California and tons of people are homeless because of bad addictions to heavy drugs. People who are unhealthy can still function in life. I don't think you can compare heavy addictive drugs to unhealthy lifestyles.
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 @chasejj: so you are a functionalist? Do you eat a dessert because you need food? Do you drink beer, because you want to raise your social status by socializing with people? Would you buy a drink to a lady and directly tell her it’s only to increase satisfaction from the conversation and you are not going to rape her? Would you have sex only to reproduce? Do you ride bicycles because they raise your heart rate and that Is said to be healthy? Would you jump on a bike in order to get familiar with adrenaline rush in case a bear attacks you?

Whatisa problem with recreational use of anything? Heh, lets ponder the word “recreation” for a bit...
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 @WAKIdesigns: I seriously have no way to follow your insane rant. Go back to your drug use. Most of the rambling incoherence written in these comments is indicative of why none of these drugs should be legal without a PX.
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 @chasejj: I merely pointed out at the problem with your logic where you have problem with use of psychedelics as recreational while you like every other human in Western world daily perform many activities recreationally and consume lots of substances recreationally, not because you need them. Nobody smokes tobacco, drinks alcohol, coffee, overconsumes sugars, meat and other shit food out of need. Very few consume tons of legal drugs like pain killers, anti depressants, sleeping pills, vitamins, various supplements, digestion regulators out of need. People like you and me stuff their faces with shit recreationally and you have a problem with possibly only substance in this world that actually has a potential to decrease or even cease intake of shit because you are morbidly unwilling to educate yourself.
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 @GeoMurph5: there will always be people who try to profit off others, that appears to be human nature.

Try to avoid painting society with a broad brush.

I’m a Suboxone prescriber, I’m salaried, nearly all my clients are on Medicaid.
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 @SlodownU: @chasejj: to make out that not becoming an addict is a matter of taking personal responsibility for your actions is terribly short sighted. You are very fortunate that you have had a life that enables you to use an addictive substance and then stop when you no longer need it, for many of us, it's not quite that simple.

Here is an article from one of the worlds best addiction experts. Makes for very interesting reading.

drgabormate.com/opioids-universal-experience-addiction
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 @dicky1080: at the same time treating psychedelics as medicine only is like treating sex solely as a mean of procreation. I know it has to go this way for legalization but research seems to point that we can be taking it as vitamins. There are other substances like this, for instance nutropics, like Creatine or a legal no psychoactive mushroom - lions mane.
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 @dicky1080: Sorry, I have sympathy. But at the end of the day. Our lives are only what WE make of them. Personal discipline is an individual's sole responsibility and no one else's. This society loves to create victims from personal weakness and tragedy and develop "answers" that always involve a Dr, Psych, , Pharma, Politician making money as a provider of relief. You're only a victim if you allow it.
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 @GeoMurph5: I do agree that healthcare providers do not properly warn the public of the dangers of opioid controlled medications and doctors do need to really be careful, ethical, and responsible when prescribing them. On the same token, if people were healthier, slimmer, and fitter as a whole, it is highly likely that they would not want or need opioid medications. In Japan, prescription opioid medications are not a problem like the US.
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 @chasejj: try telling that to the guy who was sexually abused as a young kid. Or the teenager who loses her parents, is forced onto the streets and can only get money working as a prostitute.

What you say is right at one level, but often someone's best just isn't enough.

It's our society that has failed these people and to blame them personally is just a way to absolve us of our shortcomings as a society at large. I feel yours is a very short sighted view that fails to recognise the bigger picture.
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 @dicky1080: My original statement is universal and still valid. No society or situation is perfect and absolutely fair. It's called life and some getting an easier version of it. As they always say "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger". This simple saying is so true especially those that have a harder path. Once you believe "society fails" and individual you have essentially given up.
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 @chasejj: you’re an idiot. Sorry, Beer just told me that. You have some underlying issues. Possibly a too hard, perfectionistic daddy or other leviathan . You set standards you obviously cannot live up to yourself, so you keep them instead as ideals you look up to which you turned into a self improvement strategy. Whatever you set out to do, you introduce yourself an additional element of difficulty. As someone would call it: you get into your own way. Let me guess, you have problems breaking up tasks into smaller pieces?
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 @WAKIdesigns: Dude go take your shrooms and chill out. Wow!
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 @chasejj: "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger"
What makes you think so? This phrase sounds nice, but I have no reason to believe it.
Sometimes bad things in life can make you stronger, but sometimes they break you.
And some people are simply weaker by default and easier to break. Does it mean they should go to hell and perish? In my view one of the goals of the society is to help them and support them, until they can support themselves.
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 @Slabrung: Obviously there is no perfect answer. But one I can positively say is important is don't burn bridges. At the end of the day most people at some point need their family and/or friends to help through tough times. Far to many people I see think they can just blow off the real people who have a connection to you through birth or friendship and wind up adding to the suffering as a result. Pursuing your own thing sounds cool but can leave you alone when you can least deal with it. I have some experience with this in my family and can attest it is true. The government etc. is NOT there to help you. That is a joke. You have to be responsible for your own life decisions. That comes often before you f*ck it up. Remember that.
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 @chasejj: I wonder if you were one of the unlucky ones whether you'd still feel the same?

You clearly have no experience of the type of suffering I'm speaking of. Go volunteer in a shelter or rehab clinic and learn a bit about the reality of life that so many others are living with, then let's speak some more.
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 @dicky1080: You clearly misinterpret my philosophy and approach to life with lack of empathy. Speaking the truth is more important than pandering to emotion.
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 @chasejj: now you sound like you dug yourself into a bubble. What is it now then, let's talk honestly? Into Jordan Peterson now?
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 @chasejj: truth! Who's truth? Perhaps that's the issue here? You feel your truth is the only one? I know my truth has changed many times during my life
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 @nurseben: I'm aware of how this society works. I don't think you are evil for subscribing an opiate pain killer to people in pain, and I don't imagine a world where a patient will be given a non-addictive or less addictive alternative painkiller any time in the future. I don't blame you (nurse practitioner ?) for this problem, but it's real nonetheless. My point was that cannabis use is treated by the medical industry as dangerous and addictive, and even in a supposedly progressive hospital, this is emphasized while there is literally no mention of the dangers of opioids/opiates that kill thousands here. For myself, I will do everything possible to avoid it. A few years ago, I had an abscessed wisdom tooth removed. The surgeon gave me a prescription for 24 oxycotin (sic). I shredded the prescription, because from my understanding that could have been more than enough to make me addicted. Ibuprofen and cannabis oil kept the pain in check just fine.
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 @dicky1080: Truth is universal. You can go your own way. But you'll always return back to it.
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 @chasejj: now, you’re being Immature. You haven’t discovered collective consciousness in your psychological development yet and the term social norm hasn’t even become tangible to you. Any chance you come from religious family?
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 @chasejj: I'm all for supporting each other within a family. But not everyone has a family, let alone one that is able to provide support. What then? As you say, no perfect answer, but we can do our best and support such people as we can (as a society).
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 @chasejj: truth is universal? Now this is just getting silly. I suggest you get out of your bubble and learn how people and the world really work. Go travelling, learn about different cultures, see the world through other people's eyes. You will find your life becomes far richer
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 @dicky1080: Dicky and Waki- Someday I hope you figure it out. Good luck to you.
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 Is this near Marin County where MTB is criminalized?
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 Lol. Yes.
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 Instead of riding the huge expanse of natural terrain, bikers could get off their faces and do a nice turbo session in the garage. Could even open the door if they wanted to go more extreme, or play some enya in the background.
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 You bet it is! Santa Cruz is a little bit of a different world though.
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 @bridgermurray: It is and it isn't. Santa Cruz tries to crack down on some popular trails every so often when someone gets hurt. The most unfortunate part about Santa Cruz is too many bikes get stolen there. Ugh.
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 So RatBoy back on SantaCruz?
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 LOL I think If it would be the case Ratboy ignored one of disclaimers: “within the first month after taking higher dose of psychedelics do not take dramatic life changing steps like quit your job or leave your spouse...”
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 f*ck I buy specialized only now. I’ll use SWAT for picking Liberty Caps. I am so excited about this!!!

I am a mushroom!
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 you are a fun guy
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 I love my spore-cialized
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 Solidarność
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 @endlessblockades: Specialized should now make 2024 E29 with holes or a net under the SWAT box so after you picked up cyans or liberty caps, you can spread the spores as you ride. They should do a Fatbike with SWAT with perforated bottom for spreading spores. Fatbikes do well on moist grasslands hahaha
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 Isn’t there studies on micro-dosing mushrooms to help depression and other mental issues ! They’ve been consumed for well being for 1000’s of years !
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 @Matt115lamb: for ages Fly Agaric has been consumed by Shamans and then peed into mouths of locals to allow them the access to different dimensions. Shamans used their own bodies to decarboxylate ibotenic acid into psychoactive muscimol. So don’t get too romantic about old cultures Smile
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 @Matt115lamb: yes, I have a couple clients who have been micro dosing to treat depression.

The jury is still out, and of course it’s not legal, but for folks who have tried everything else, it’s better than taking the final solution.
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 @WAKIdesigns: that’s weird cos I’d heard stories of vikings feeding reindeer’s fly agaric and then drink the pee before big battles to turn them into death machines !
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 @nurseben: do you know if they tried a high dose?
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 @WAKIdesigns: I don’t get too involved as it’s technically illegal and I don’t want to chart what we talk about.

The clients are using information try get off the internet, bright folks, so I think they’re compiling info and then they follow a plan.

LSD in a tincture, x# of drops to x# milliliter of alcohol. It’s on a taper, spaced over days.

I’ve got a buddy who’s a pain specialist, he’s working on getting into a government approved psilocybin program examining efficacy and possible applications.

I practice psychiatry, some addiction stuff, but mostly I’m interested in how it will help treatment resistant depression.
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 I'll confess. I did a race on mushrooms once. I was in the top 10 until I entered a grove of aspen trees. They were so cool I pulled over to check them out. I think I finished mid pack.
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 Santa Cruz is quite high on what most PBikers would label as psychodeliacs that should be criminalized.

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 What the Heckler...?
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 say it ain't so!!
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 I hear it's going to cost $30K and introduce a new wheel size standard.
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 I wonder why ibogaine, the instant cure for any addiction, wasn't mentioned. I would imagine this law to be created just for it.
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 Because it’s not a cure?
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 @DHhack: Do you have stories? I don't really know of how things go in the long term. Only that those who want to undergo the treatment have to go to clinics outside the US.
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 @DavidGuerra: the current theory is that it’s not a cure, that it merely interrupts the detox stage. Afterwards patients that don’t change their habits find their way back into the same hole. I think you can get it by prescription, California maybe?
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 It is definitely time to legalize weed and natural psychedelics like these nation wide. Tax and regulate weed like we do alcohol and cigs and states stand to make mad cash that can be used for things like improved schools and infrastructure. It would revitalize the farming industry too. CBD hemp farms are popping up near me in rural PA. Let's get out of the idiotic hysteria already.
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 Legalization and taxing doesn’t fix everything. In California they have so heavily regulated and taxed those growers complying with state law that they are going out of business. They can’t compete with those who don’t and can profitably grow and sell at half the price. .
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 Alcohol is a legal drug and pulls in $10.6 billion a year in tax revenue, but according to the CDC excessive alcohol consumption cost the US economy $250 billion in 2010 and 40% of those costs were paid by government entities. The tax revenue seems appealing until you look at the economic and social impacts you are trading for it.
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 I love the idea of decriminalization...but largely for the opposite reasons than most. As a mental health professional for about 15 years (some of that working in addictions) and as a current (almost done) PhD Candidate, the over lap between drug use and mental health has been something I have spent some time with professionally, academically, and personally (I live in the Kootenays in BC...if you don't see substances being used you are a hermit or blind). The impacts of mental health, such as that seen in trauma, can be societally and individually catastrophic. The thing is though, we have some pretty good ways to manage and understand most major mental health concerns. There may benefits to alternate approaches, like Ayahuasca, as there is a lot of anecdotal evidence and some emerging research that does find it beneficial in some contexts but not without significant risk. the idea of safely using these substances as therapeutic is very different from the "no holds barred" view popularized when they hear of decriminalization of legalization. If you are considering using it therapeutically, like anything else, familiarize yourself with the research on it, be clear of the therapeutic goal you have in mind, make sure your goal fits with the proposed action of the drug, and seek out people who can facilitate safety (professionals!). I feel like as a culture in Canada we are barely recovering from the s%^t show that was the wild-wild west of "medical marijuana." Research is clear that in the moment it can relieve some anxiety symptoms but sustained use, especially for avoidance, increases overall anxiety over-time and can catalyze risk factors for schozophrenia, panic disorder and others. The global idea that it "helps with anxiety" isn't as simple as was promoted among sellers and users generally speaking. The same is true of psychedelics. This isn't an anti-biotic that attacks your sadness, but rather a biological agent that changes the way your brain work that may facilitate therapeutic gains but again, as it acts across multiple brain regions in both permanent and impermanent ways isolating just the potential benefit and eliminating all risk is going to be difficult if not impossible. The good new is that further legalization will bring it out of the shadows, increase opportunities for research, and potentially allow for better control and conversation. "drags are bad" convos are about as helpful as "drugs are good" convos. Drugs are drugs. Each category of drug interacts with the brain and changes how it works in different ways. Much like sugar, caffeine, and gingko balova. Meaningful conversations include specificity to the substance discussed, benefit and risk IMO.
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 Here are some research studies to have a look at. The second one highlights the risk for those with perception concerns. These are similar to recommendations on use for pot, shrumes, or other drugs that influence reality perception: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4910400 , www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5848100
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 You're failing to deliniate the difference between smoking and activating THC and consuming cannabis based products. You make your self sound very uninformed, while trying to sound all smart.
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 @DetroitCity: For sure. The list of stuff I haven’t read on pot is no doubt longer than the list I have and I look forward to reading more. However, that’s kinda the point I’m making. These are complex discussions that need to be viewed as such. Information on the topic is dynamic and expansive and both sides need to be open to that. Saying we should use these drugs for therapeutic purposes needs to include a discussion of the risks and benefits of that- the complexity of which you illustrate. I’ve got a lot to learn but also have a fair bit of experience and have seen first hand where these things can go wrong; sometimes catastrophically. If you are reading that I’m anti-pot- you read it wrong (or I wrote it wrong...which is likely as it’s riddled with typos from rushing through it on my phone). Honestly I’m fairly neutral on the topic- unless we are talking about using it to cure anxiety in adolescence...on that front I think a little more caution needs to be exercised...but am open to research or other evidence of ways it could be used better or at all for that.
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 @snl1200: I have researched, advocated, and been involved with medical marijuana since 1985. My father was the first medical marijuana patient in US history. In 1985. He started NORML, he started a few other advocacy orgs also. He had MS.

I personally have been using marijuana products since I was 6, I am 37. I don't have anxiety. In any way, shape, or form.

I have several issues with your statements. The first one and your subsequent follow up.

My first bone to pick. Nobody is advocating for teenagers to smoke marijuana for anxiety. Not. A. Single. Person.On. Earth. The affects of activated THC/marijuana on a growing brain are well documented.

In fact, in most cases, no one is suggesting, advocating, or prescribing smoking marijuana for any medical benefits.

Your first research project should be actually educating yourself about what cannabis is, and the various ways of consuming it. When THC is heated up to a certain temperature, it activates the psychoacvtive properties. These are not the same psychoacvtive properties as in a psychedelic plant. You don't trip on thc, you have the symptoms related to smoking activated THC. Some people get paranoid and anxious as you have said. That's a by product of a chemical imbalance.

Saying medical marijuana is a shit show is misleading and flat out false. There are mountains of research outside north America on cannabis and its medical properties. Furthermore, until the 1930s it was a commonly used medical aid. Medical marijuana was already legal once, based on the scientific data. Just like MDMA was created for healing purposes!

You can not continue to make misleading statements, it discredits the research you are claiming to do. Nobody is prescribing smoke weed to teenagers with anxiety. That's a ridiculous statement. Now if you said they were telling them to take a cananbis based product like a tincture or something, you would have credibility.

Then as it relates to psychedelic plants and stuff, there is also thousands of years of research on that also. Anyone who has a negative reaction to a psychedelic has underlying tension. They have untreated issues lingering. They may have PTSD and finally the psychedelic lets them face the monster head on. Nobody said fighting demons was like having tea and biscuits.

If you want to study weed, psychedelics and such, to get an actual informed perspective, take some! There will never be a one size fits all solution to these issues. I encourage you to research as much as you can. Just know that no matter what the books or microscopes say there is no substitute to actual experience.

Countries like Israel have been studying this since the 1950s, the science is all there.
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 I live in Santa Cruz and this whole "decriminalization" thing is ridiculous even by Santa Cruz Standards. I have pretty libertarian views when it comes to recreational drug use until those users start victimizing others to support that use.
First off, meth heads and junkies aren't going to decide they want to start using mushrooms instead and it is going to be the summer of love all over again.
Second, mental illness is a big factor in drug use and homelessness and psychedelics have been shown to exacerbate or even trigger psychotic episodes in some people.
Thirdly, this whole thing is terribly ironic as bike theft is the number one way addicts support their habit in this town.
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 What better way to sell more bikes than advocate for policies that might get more of them stolen.
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flag ATV25 (Feb 7, 2020 at 7:34) (Below Threshold)
 DRUGS SUCK !!! ENOUGH SAID
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 You cannot become addicted to psychedelics.
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 There is a whole body of research that suggests the psychedelics are powerful enough to cause people to break addiction. And yes, there are some concerns with using psychedelics on people with mental illness, but the benefits far outweigh the risks.
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 @ATV25

Mushrooms and LSD don't even really belong in the same category as meth or heroin or crack.

For one, they are anti-addictive. The more you use the less their effect is.
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 @phops: exactly. Whoever needs check on this, go to youtube and search interviews/ podcasts With Professor Stanislav Graf. Particularly with Tim Ferris who I personally don’t like. But what Stanislav has to say is interesting. He used to work a lot with psychedelics, on few occasions he took two full doses of LsD on one day. For science
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 @WAKIdesigns: have you read "How to Change your Mind" by Michael Pollan. It's AMAZING
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 @endlessblockades: ehm... I think you can get addicted to anything, but getting addicted to psychedelics is Gold medal in escapism and lack of self control.
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 @lowkeyokeydokey: no but I am well read in the subject, listened to various lectures of his and interviews.
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 @phops: Anything that chemically alters your state of mind is a way to hide from your problems, not solve them. Yes I know studies show, blah blah blah . . . For some, under medical care, it may be a way to break addiction or help with mental illness. For the most part it's people just wanting to get high and " have a good time " i.e. not taking responsibility and running from their problems.
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 @ATV25: do you drink coffee? Or alcohol? Do you eat foods containing Added sugar? Do you eat carbohydrates?
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 @WAKIdesigns: Yes, no, sometimes, everyday :-) I am just saying we have a major issue in the USA with drug abuse. It's funny how I can get up everyday and go to work, support my family, pay my bills, be happy with my situation ( that I have created / chosen ) while others wallow in self-pity, ABUSE substances and play the blame game and try to hide from their problems. To each his own, I guess : \ And yes I am the old guy yelling get off of my lawn LOL
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 @WAKIdesigns: P.S. WAKI, I am going riding now have a great day brother :-)
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 @ATV25: again if you have missed it. Mushrooms are extremely hard to be abused on repetitive basis (Virtually impossible) like alcohol or amphetamines if only for the fact how mind shaking they are, how satisfied one feels for how long period of time and how Quickly our bodies buildup tolerance to them, which makes it impossible to trip often. Basically if you take a high dose, you will need a double dose to get high again within a few days and then quadruple if you want to go again. It takes a week or more to get back to base tolerance.

I use mushrooms I pick up myself. I go to beautiful places that I never have time or will to stop by when riding. It forces me to calm down and focus. Finding them is a science and challenge on its-own. I am not too much into Chemical psychedelics. I like mushrooms.

And BTW, almost everything you put into your mouth changes chemical composition of your brain.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Look you are an intelligent person, I am surprised that you have to keep convincing yourself that using is fine. I have seen firsthand many friends and acquaintances go down bad paths, even leading to death, starting with drinking, smoking pot and taking shrooms. I don't know you, I feel your takes on a lot of subjects are very spot on but I have to disagree with you on this one. By the way my ride was fantastic today. Be safe and well :-)
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 @ATV25:

Without really doing them yourself, there is no way to really understand what they do, but I can assure you that its not just about getting high or having a good time or escaping your problems. If you are using them for healing, you are forced to experience and confront your personal problems at 10 times the intensity of when you are sober, which is not even remotely pleasant mentally.

I highly suggest you try them, if only to be able to actually talk about them with some degree of knowledge.
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 @ATV25: Those people were going to find a way to die one way or another. May they RIP.
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 It’s not so clear cut, prescribing drugs vs using drugs. Treating addiction is less science than it is helping the client to find different ways to manage being uncomfortable.

Sobriety is also a choice. Often it’s a choice that s person has to make over and over until choosing sobriety becomes the habit.
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 There’s no better example of sobriety being a delusion than the Straight Edge folks. Sobriety exists because there is abuse. Often seller driven abuse. I know several ex alcoholics, I knew one of them before he became an alcoholic - man they are messed up... my neighbors were alcoholics. Whole family. Somehow their kid who is like 20 now isn’t and I think it is because grandmother took him away and took care of him. I remember waking up in the morning and this kid wheeping out loud “mommy is dead” over his mother laying face down at the porch. She was “just” unconscious after coming home after night of drinking god knows where. Another neighbor called the ambulance and took the kid home. Wives father was an alcoholic too. They are all still messed up even when 100% sober for years. You can sometimes hear someone say: beer? No thanks I am not drinking. Sometimes it’s just an attitude but sometimes you just see the past through their eyes. Alcohol is the magnifier, it just removes the chains of their wicked mind tortured by the mental burden they carry since they were kids. For some, Maybe since they were born. I can clearly see that kid inside of them who never got hep with resolving their various forms of sadness and anxiety. Have some more compassion for yourself mate, don’t misplace discipline.
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 did you see the size of that fucking chicken
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 That would be a trip on amanitas Smile
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 Just throwing this out there, ayahuasca is not a plant. And yes, there are immense therapeutic benefits from eating 2g of cyanescens followed by meditating and dancing in your backyard by yourself for 2.5hrs
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 Ayahuasca is derived from a plant though. It's made as a "tea" like brew with another plant or two that allows for the action of the DMT type in the brew.

Now we don't have to travel to Peru for the shamanic ceremonies. Although that would be an experience. Bring your own barf bags.
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 @energetik: that's why it's one of many fallacies that will slowly be corrected in people's understanding of DMT containing plants. There are plenty of other preparations of trpytamines and MAOIs around the world, and the process shouldn't be defined by jungle tea.

Thankfully I've never gone to Peru and have still been able to benefit from violently healing sessions.
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 I can't imagine people actually wanting to try Ayahuasca after reading accounts of it's effects, but hey if you want barf a bunch and feel like you're dying then more power to you.
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 Haven’t tried Ayahuasca nor DMT but from accounts of other people Doing it I cannot imagine CONSUMING highly potent substance as a psychedelic novice. It is highly irresponsible. You don’t know what you will face inside of your head even if you are 100% sure you are not clinically sick. Just because you are “in tune with nature”, woke and all that, you may have a very hard time during the experience and more importantly afterwards. Psychedelics compress time like the machine in the movie “Contact”. Hours of recording inside the machine, 19 seconds on the tape in this world. movie Contact is 100% surely based on a DMT experience. Except, DMT is smoked. 10-20minutes - done. Ayahuasca is consumed - it means actual Earth hours, trip terms: weeks if not years, eternity. It’s surely way more woo woo than actual therapy. Humans can abuse anything. Just look at explosion of CBD bullshit.
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 @WAKIdesigns: you can isolate DMT through an acid base reaction and smoke it or eat it. In order to eat it, you need to consume an MAOI 30 minutes prior to consuming the DMT. This also helps potentiate the psychoactivity when you smoke changa or enhanced leaf, or vape straight DMT.

The experience is incredibly powerful, but I dont think that mescaline, psilocybin, LSD, etc really prepared me for the experience. Having taken large doses of mushrooms and experienced what I thought was ego death, I figured that it was just going to be more of the same. However, the overall experience was something that I don't know if you can actually prepare for. I made a multi source DMT and other DMT alkaloid preparation and consumed it with an MAOI. Five trips over two weeks, and each one began with an Earth shattering ego death that was followed by great introspection or otherworldly meditative experiences. I'm glad that I did it on my own without input from others. I also think that mushrooms and meditation can yield similarly positive outcomes without the brutality.

As for abuse, I have zero desire to consume DMT ever again. I learned what I needed to learn, and see no reason to revisit that place again. I can't imagine how anyone could willfully abuse orally consumed DMT
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 @Mntneer: i just meant than consumables last much longer than stuff that’s smoked. When faced with really potent material, being overwhelmed is very, very likely. Off course there is surely huge value to a challenging or even actual bad trip. Just no point in rushing into big guns right away because people romanticize it so much.
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 @dthomp325: don't knock something until you've tried it.
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 What’s this got to do with bikes?
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 was thinking the same. Apparently there is no off topic tag...
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 @mikkel: Eh, sorta, it can be a training thing. A lot of racers microdose mushrooms in the off season for training because it breaks down the mental barriers and anxiety you usually deal with when doing heavy physical training. It also gives you a bit of an afterglow which brightens your mood for a few days to a week putting you in a better mental state for training.
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 Psychedelized.
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 I am much more happy to discuss psychedelics in relation to a bike company than Brexit or fucking 2nd amendment...
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 and then there's that ....
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 Wait, what does this have to do with riding my bike?
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 Try riding your bike on like a gram of shrooms and you will see.
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 @phops: hahahaha!!!!!
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 As a former frequent flyer on street tabs, I can attest to your potency variation statement.
These days, I won't even use LSD, as it seems rather sterile. Dr. Hoffman was a brilliant man, but and he was the origin of the phrase 'bicycle day", but IMO nothing compares to the mushroom for therapeutic effectiveness. Also, I'm an avid fan of Terrence McKenna. He was a brilliant speaker. You can still access some of his longer talks on youtube. He had the "gift", alright.
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 Mushrooms, especially if you grow or pick yourself are easy to dose responsibly to achieve desired effects. Street tabs... not at all. The very fact that 2 tabs can make you talk to both God and Satan only to come to the pre Big Bang state of the universe means that dosing is whack... Liberty caps? Even the thinniest vegan needs 10 pieces to feel something and +30 to leave Earths gravitational pull.
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 Plant medicines have been an integral part of our ancient cultures usually lead by a shaman or medicineman that imparted knowledge and guided people on their healing. The work must be done by oneself as always but with guides pointing the way. These sacred plant medicines provide the most profound introspective moments when in the right dose , set, and setting. Use them in reverence. They are our teachers.
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 First world problem, what drugs to use to define gender?

For me the main problem is not legal consumption by adults to threat them self’s , however driving / walking on public roads after this;

Mushrooms can last more than 8 hour sleep
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 Tabacco cause deseases, comproved by specialists and has free comercialization. Why these descrimination over "exotic" plants, drugs or sunstances? Tabacco industry is a big finnancial, econimic and advocacy force, not to mention mental and sexy appeal. Human beings are so non-sense!! Same for alcohol and medications...
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 The reality of this is that shrooms are being in treating symptoms and cases of addiction and substituting them for alternate substance dependence (dependence on psychedelics). Without a taper off a program they will be abused and it'll end up being harmful and maybe as harmful as the original diagnosis.
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 Brainwashing? "...you are not a crack head...you need the new Specialized Enduro..."
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 Psychedelics - just the thing to help you to get over the fact that you ripped off and cheated your buddies. You can almost feel the litigation in the air - proprietary blends and SWAT box copyright for storing your capsNstems.
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 "Decrimilaise"?

And they must have embedded some psychedelics into this article, 'cause I am seeing HUGE guitars.
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 Pardon my ignorance, but why is this relevant to the MTB community? Are these folks riders that I should know? I’m not against the SC vote, just curious
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 yeah i agree. who the heck is Specialized bikes?
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 @cuban-b: So Taj is gonna hafta make a comic with a bike with downtube graphics: Psychedelicized
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 Hi everyone.

If there is anyone who would like to know more about psychedelics please check out the links below. (In an unwaki way, for broadly understood harm reduction only. I really mean that with all the humane and compassionate parts that are left of my otherwise empty troll soul):

Prof. Paul Stamets
youtu.be/XI5frPV58tY

Prof. James Fadiman
m.youtube.com/watch?v=6AfFM8pfy4s

And if want some responsible banter of an actual psychonaut
Check out Psyched Substance on youtube

Please if you are to use “shrooms” do it responsibly. Read on the subject of dosing. LSD and particularly DMT - even more responsibly. Same goes for the common mushrooms like fly agaric. Do not abuse them, chose your trip mates and sitters wisely. Be educated, be prepared, make the best of it.

Cheers!
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 Psychedsubstance Adam is a dude who knows his stuff , if anyone is interested in doing drugs then I would advise them to check him out too ! If not his channel is still a good watch !
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 @Matt115lamb: Adam is to psychedelics what Jeff Cavaliere is to Rehab and training Smile
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 @WAKIdesigns: the dmt stuff is mind blowing in all ways , have to try one day ( for scientific reasons ) Big Grin
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 Will someone please tell Sinyard to do something about carbon waste. Use it as a filler with epoxy to make spacers or useful plastic things, anything other than straight trash. Plz n thanks. 3
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 He'll start sueing someone over it, like specialized always do.
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 first on the docket is suing nintendo for their use of mushrooms in super mario bros even though nintendo did it first.
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 Must be some kind of Specialized drugs Smile
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 Pinkbike: damn this grim doughnut looks pretty trippy
Mike Sinyard: hold my description!
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 Drugs are cool, man...they like help me deal with reality and shit.
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 Slow news day, need the click I guess? What does this really have to do with mountain biking?
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 Mike Sinyard is the founder of Specialized.
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 There hasn't been any solution for opioid addictions. It's long overdue that we take a science-based approach to drugs and mental health. www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwoKWz-V_lU
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flag DH-Angel (Feb 7, 2020 at 8:13) (Below Threshold)
 My friend, the solution is GOD!
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 @DH-Angel: So, there in NO solution? Because there sure as hell* is no god.

*yes, I understand.
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 @DH-Angel: if doing psychedelics would be more common, religions would crumble... why would you read a book or go to a preacher to listen about how’s God or Satan, when you can meet them yourself
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 @DH-Angel: this doesnt get tiring?
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 Science-based approach?? How about seeing a licensed therapist for some EMDR or other proven therapies. Over 70% of opioid addiction can be correlated with psychological trauma.Why not treat the trauma and addiction in a scientific way, not try to enter a new reality (Dissociative Identity Disorder,esesentially) with a substance that you have no control over its effects?
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 @tfree: unlike with cannabioids, there’s plenty of research proving that psychedelics help patients (and not only patients) with depression and carious anxiety disorders as well as patients with terminal cancer. The science around it is quite settled and results are as consistent as they can be given the diversity of population in control group. Science in the subject would be even more developed if psychedelics weren’t banned in 70:s which put stop to research. Unlike carious forms of opioids where you go to a doctor and he shoots something at you wondering whether it will work. Yes in many cases, this is how it works, I know from experience of my own as well as my colleagues at work. If I got One of boosters like Ridalin? Mate... I’d be in trouble because I would love it and I’d drive myself into heavy addiction and exhaustion.
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 @WAKIdesigns: True, but the foundational and ongoing studies for opiods showed that they "helped patients" too. If there are things that people can do and get that aren't putting them at risk for abuse of, why wouldn't we push as hard towards that end as we could? There may be studies showing success in treatment for these psychedelics, but there are still great risks in using them when at the same time, there are incredibly successful methods of therapy that put clients/patients at no such risk. I appreciate for your input @WAKIdesigns
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 Heard a funny fact, the Canadian governmental weed association managed to make a loss over 100 million can dollars
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flag WAKIdesigns (Feb 7, 2020 at 4:18) (Below Threshold)
 Check numbers for Colorado... but it will drop after CBD snake oil hype goes down.
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 our government pushed the price of weed down considerably....if one buys it illegally. The legal stuff is popcorn/fart dry and comes in the most ridiculous packaging.
Small wonder the government’s revenue estimates were way off.
Until the legal price drops, we’ll all continue to call ‘the guy’, instead.
#firstWorldProblems
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 Was about time for a new addiction (not really new though). Not coming out as fast as hub width standard, but getting there!
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 so they say it's now ok to eat stuff which grows outside. cool, ok boomer
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 So the founder of Specialized does mushrooms? I never would’ve guessed. That’s rad.
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 Old nickname around the office was 'Mushroom Mike'
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 How about some psychedelic paint jobs, Specialized?! Preferably created by those who’ve been recently “inspired” =)
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 Fuck I hope so. Get that Trailer Park Boys Space episode on dvr and press play
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 One man's sacrament is another man's Class 1 controlled substance. The empire never ended.
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 Well shit, just another reason to get completely lost on my mt. bike rides.
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 Eat a couple mushrooms and go on a bike ride.....thats some psycadelic assisted therapy, trust!
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 WTF does this have to do with mountain biking?
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 It sheds some light on how Specialized can come up with a $16,000 "bicycle"
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 Well, maybe they will be tripping so hard they can't go stealing bikes to pay for opiods. Or if they do, they might ride real slow as the world is melting and passing by them to fast.
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 What the hell does this have to do with anything?
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 All drugs should be decriminalized particularly those that are naturally occurring. I fully support this!
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 So PB is totally ok with doing drugs and riding? It's brilliant, that's definitely gonna put you on an E-bike much sooner!
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 Spesh has finally jumped the shark
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 ... finally?
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 Non-profit? Is this for real?
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 So THAT'S what the guys at Specialized are smoking...
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 Dude, you can totally store a bag of of shrooms in your SWAT box.
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 These social workers are not helping people with mental illness but only serving to hurt them. I can't image: solve the drug problem by introducing more drugs/addictions to people with mental illness. This way is not a true healing but only a deeping of addictions and more problems that come along with it.
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 >I can't image: solve the drug problem by introducing more drugs/addictions to people with mental illness.

The reason you can't imagine is because you think that stuff like lsd and shrooms are drugs. They are not. They are medicine for the mind, just like there is medicine for the body.
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 I wonder what Drunkcyclist's gonna make of this one
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 He'll be trippin balls.
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 Bike of choice: Santa Cruz Hightower.
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 “Pspechylized”
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 “Did you see the size of that guitar?”
“Giant guitars!”
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 Pinkdrug
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 This is acceptable, but drinking from Rude's bottle is not?
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 About time, this is awesome. Next Step nation wide.
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 OMG every ond knows mushrooms are the gate way drug to alcohol! Which kills more people than all other drugs combined!
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 How? Please explain
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 @WAKIdesigns: Sarcasm. Weed was / is comsiderd the way drug to schedule one drugs. Schedule one drugs are considered the most dangerous. But alcohol is not considered to be a drug.
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 @WAKIdesigns: that was a quote from the movie young guns, when they ate peyote buttons
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 @Bman39: ok... I respect that!
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 Cool stories brohs!
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 Trip responsibly
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 Just say NO !
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 Gimme back my alcohol!
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 Sweet!
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 Puff puff pass
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 Exactly. Bunch of psychedelic junkies on here.
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 @GatoGordo: Preferable to a bunch of drunken frat boys any day of the week.
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 contributing to the continual downfall of our society
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 Can you please point to the moment In history you consider we were at our highest?
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 @WAKIdesigns: mid 90’s ?

In the mid 90’s to 2005ish you could work and pay for college, buy a house out of college, and generally live well.

We have decent advancements in medical fields, safe cars to drive, information at our finger tips,

Looking back through history I’d say we all live at a great time
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 your absolutely correct, all resilience is being systematically removed from future generations. It's really worrying. It actually seems to be fashionable now to have some kind of mental illness. most people i know under the age of 30 claim to have some kind of depression and the number of them on anti depressants is ludicrous. It's all stemming from the removal of competitiveness from children, if no one wins or losses you dont learn how to deal with defeat and move forward and improve your situation. You cant medicate all your problems away you have to deal with them, and the younger generations aren't being encouraged to do that.
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 @b45her: Psychedelic assisted therapy isnt about medicating people to make their problems away, it's actually the complete opposite. Its about creating a state of mind and an environment where problems are confronted, realised, dealt with, and eventually released.

Look at the work of Robin Carhart-Harris or Rosalind Watts from Imperial College London.
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 @meathooker: I was born in 1980s in Poland, grew up there, came to Sweden in 2005. I have experienced change of culture from individualistic conservative at the same time innovative and coping to generally social and conformistic but at the same
Time much more open and libertarian in certain ways. In Sweden it is ok to be an idiot, people still find value in your existence. It is ok to work in a local shop for all your life. It is ok to settle for whatever you find fulfilling. Which gets a bit numbing and uninspiring for some time. But being a part of two rather opposite cultures I was able to experience social norms as a very tangible concept which depends almost solely on culture, particularly the higher values that people try to make appear as universal. Basically the way each one of us judges the world is completely subjective and requires constant reaffirming from your peer group. Your ideas are not really your ideas. They are an average of your experiences. So you think 90s was great in wherever you find yourself, I have never ever had it better. I was in gymnasium and high school in 90s - that was puberty - that was one awful time of my life.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I as well would argue that in some instances the mid 90's to early 2000's was a high point in at least North America; there was not the incredible attack on personal freedoms vis a vis the Patriot Act that stemmed from 9/11. The world was actually somewhat without unjustified conflict involving the superpowers, and medical advancements were still pretty good. There was not the scourge of the cell phone on society, and the subsequent issues it carries with it, yet we had access to the WWW as an information source. We didn't have modern geometry and slack head angles so of course it is a give and take scenario!

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