Mongoose's $2,999 Teocali Pro - Review

Dec 18, 2017
by Mike Levy  



Completely redesigned for 2018, the new Teocali platform's two most notable updates - the ones that matter on the trail - are its new geometry and a revised suspension layout that Mongoose says is much better at, well, everything. Handily, I also spent a bunch of time on this bike's predecessor, the 2017 Teocali, making for the ideal opportunity to see how the two machines compare, and what the changes really mean on the trail.

The 160mm-travel Teocali Pro goes for $2,999 USD, which is roughly half the price of many bikes that we review. Mongoose has done well by hanging Fox's Performance 36 Float FIT GRIP fork and Float DPS shock, as well as a mixed XT and SLX single ring drivetrain, off of the brightest frame I've seen in awhile. There will be no blending in if you're on this fluorescent flier.

Teocali Pro Details

• Intended use: all-mountain
• Rear wheel travel: 160mm
• Wheel size: 27.5''
• Aluminum frame
• Re-designed four-bar suspension
• Slacker, longer geo than 2017 Teocali
• Fox Performance 36 Float FIT GRIP fork w/ 160mm, Float DPS shock
• Weight: 32lbs 5oz
• MSRP: $2,999 USD.
www.mongoose.com


Mongoose Teocali Pro James Lissimore Photo
No, it does not glow in the dark.


Design Details

Mongoose completely re-designed the Teocali platform for 2018, and that's a very good thing - while this bike's predecessor was a bang-for-your-buck kinda ride, it felt dated compared to more contemporary bikes that make use of new-school geometry. Mongoose knew that as well, it seems, because the 2018 aluminum frame is a different animal from headtube to rear dropouts. Oh, and it costs $500 USD less than last year's version but sports an arguably more effective spec.

The frame is built using what Mongoose refers to as T2 Tectonic aluminum tubing, and they also say that this T2 stuff offers a 50-percent increase in strength and a 30-percent drop in weight compared to the less expensive T1 tubing. I'm not sure if that reflects well on T2 or poorly on T1, but you get the idea: more strength, less weight.

The tubing is heavily shaped, too, and has all the entry and exit ports for internal cable routing, except for the rear brake line that's routed externally because someone at Mongoose isn't a masochist.
Mongoose Teocali Pro James Lissimore Photo

There are four Teocali models, and all but the bottom rung Sport version are running a single ring drivetrain, but you'll still find a front derailleur mount on the top tier Pro bike, as all four share the same frame. So while the it comes with a nice Shimano XT/SLX 1x system, you could convert it to have two chainrings if that's how you roll. Weirdo.

The bike's bottom bracket, which has a set of ISCG 05 tabs around it, is threaded into the frame rather than pushed in, and there's even room for a bottle inside the front triangle. While I'm left drinking from a downtube-mounted Giardia-catcher on many bikes, I could probably fit a two-liter bottle of pop inside the Teocali's front triangle, and I'd much rather have pop than Giardia.


Mongoose Teocali Pro James Lissimore Photo
Mongoose Teocali Pro James Lissimore Photo
Except for the rear brake, there's internal cable routing all around. The derailleur housing even runs through the chainstay.


I'm not going to tell you that the Teocali frame is a thing of amazing beauty - it's not - but it most certainly is well thought out, completely functional and, to be honest, leaves me with nothing to moan about other than a toptube that feels a tad tall for my liking.



New Bike, New Geometry

Sorting out a bike's handling isn't just a matter of sprinkling some of that ubiquitous longer, slacker, lower powder around liberally, but sometimes that's exactly what's needed. This is one of those times. The 2017 Teocali wasn't a poor handling bike... if it was still 2007. While its Manitou suspension performed far above the asking price, the handling was more nervous than inspiring, and it felt as if I was ten feet off the ground. Thankfully, Mongoose knew they had to change the Teocali's numbers for it to be considered a contender.

Up front, the 2018 Teocali sports a 66.5-degree head angle that, while not particularly relaxed given the bike's travel, intentions, and competition, is half of a degree slacker than what was used last year. That might not sound like much, but that half degree feels like a lot more on the trail. No reach numbers were provided for last year's bike, but its horizontal toptube length grew from 620mm to 630mm for the large-sized bike I've been riding.

That latter number, which translates to a 455mm reach, is still a little conservative compared to some other new bikes, but it makes sense for Mongoose to be more conventional than controversial when it comes to geometry. The wheelbase grows, too, going from 1,200mm to 1,213mm, with five of those millimeters from a longer, 445mm rear-end.

One last number to consider: 150mm. No, that's not wheel travel but rather how long the 2017 bike's headtube was, and part of the reason that I felt so out of touch with the ground when I was even remotely challenged. Mongoose has lopped 20mm off for the 2018 model, but you'll also find a tall conical headset top cap under the stem that should only be replaced with a flat one.
Mongoose Teocali Pro



Mongoose Teocali Pro James Lissimore Photo
Rear suspension is a four-bar, Horst Link system with a twist: the lower shock mount is an extension off the front of the chainstays. Travel sits at 160mm.


Suspension Design

Last year's Teocali employed a four-bar, Horst Link rear suspension design to control 160mm of travel. The 2018 Teocali also employs a four-bar, Horst Link rear suspension design to control 160mm of travel... but with a twist. While it's anything but a new idea, Mongoose has placed the 2018 bike's lower shock mount on a short extension off the front of the chainstays. They're calling it ''Free Floating Technology,'' which is a reference to the Fox Float DPS shock ''floating'' between the rocker arm and the lower link, AKA the chainstay, and it's said to provide more tuning precision than solidly mounting the shock to the front triangle.

No, it's not a new idea, but catchy names and performance claims aside, a bike doesn't require a never-before-seen suspension design to deliver the goods. In the end, I couldn't care less where the shock's lower mount is located just so long as the entire package performs well.


Specifications
Specifications
Release Date 2018
Price $2999
Travel 160
Rear Shock Fox Float DPS
Fork Fox Performance 36 Float FIT GRIP, 160mm
Headset VP
Cassette Shimano SLX 11-46
Crankarms Shimano XT w/ 32-tooth chain ring
Bottom Bracket Shimano XT
Rear Derailleur Shimano XT
Chain Shimano
Shifter Pods Shimano SLX 11-speed
Handlebar Xposure 35mm
Stem Promax
Grips Xposure lock-on
Brakes Shimano SLX
Hubs Xposure straight-pull
Rim WTB KOM i29
Tires Schwalbe Hans Dampf 2.35'' folding
Seat WTB Volt Race
Seatpost X-Fusion Manic, 125mm



Mongoose Teocali Pro James Lissimore Photo








Climbing

Climbing expectations for a 160mm-travel bike can vary wildly from rider to rider, with some wanting nothing less than a downhill bike on a diet while others require a more well-rounded steed. Me? I'll choose the all-rounder every time, and not just because it's the correct choice, either. It's also because I enjoy climbing and, to be honest, I was kinda surprised to find that I still enjoyed climbing when I was on the Teocali.

Not only does the neon 'goose pedal relatively well when the shock is left wide open (as all shocks should be), it's also quite adept in the technical bits for a chubby all-mountain rig. That combo makes for a bike that never really feels like it's holding you back at any point, which is high praise for a $2,999 USD all-mountain bike, and especially when one is used to riding bikes that cost twice as much. There are bikes that are more efficient - the Ibis HD4 and Polygon Square One come to mind - but I thought nothing of facing difficult, 3,000ft climbs with the Teocali's shock completely open; keep some halfway decent form and you won't see shock move much more than it needs to.


Mongoose Teocali Pro James Lissimore Photo
It's not a lightweight, sporty feeling bike, but its relatively efficient rear suspension and plenty of traction make the Teocali a surprisingly capable climber.


bigquotesThe efficiency of the Teocali does not equal a sporty ride, however, as I suspect its weight and upright riding position sabotage any chance of this thing inspiring KOM attempts. Instead, sit down, relax, and let the climb come to you.

And when you get to a technical section, you'll find that the Teocali can more than hold its own there, too. Even with a handlebar that felt a bit tall for my liking (ditch that conical headset cap ASAP), the Teocali managed to impress thanks to geometry that leans more towards nimbleness than the EWS. There's a trade-off for that, of course, but it sure feels worthwhile while you're easily snaking your way up a rooty, rocky, section of singletrack. The Teocali's steering is quick for this category of bike, and it seems to fit into bits of trail that have troubled other machines, all of which means that you're not constantly searching out the widest entry point for a tight switchback, but rather looking for a line that makes the most sense. And the traction is there as well, especially with the Hans Dampf rear tire under you, and a 74-degree seattube angle that rewards a rider who doesn't always resort to out of the saddle efforts.


Mongoose Teocali Pro James Lissimore Photo
There's no need to use the Fox shock's cheater switch while climbing singletrack.


I did feel a bit cramped between the seat and handlebar, and especially so when the climbs dragged on for a long time. It's not a deal breaker but rather just one attribute that some will like and some will dislike; you'll definitely want to take a close look at the numbers if the Teocali is on your short list.

If you're a rider who puts as much stock into the climb as you do the descent, you'll get on well with the 'goose. Those who don't see eye-to-eye with the Teocali will be the kind of riders who simply want to get to the top, period, and who are happy to give up something on the climbs to get more from the downs.



Descending

These days, it seems as if your all-mountain bike can't be ridden like a downhill sled, it's not worthwhile. That's absurd, of course, as there are far more riders who just want a decent descender than there are enduro bros who wake up wearing goggles and believe their 160mm bike needs to be EWS-ready. The 2018 Teocali is not that bike, though, even if it is far superior in every way compared to its equally neon predecessor from last year.


Mongoose Teocali Pro James Lissimore Photo
The neon 'goose is a maneuverable, fun bike to ride on technical trails that keep your speed down.


Geometry is nearly everything, and while the difference between the 2017 and 2018 Teocali isn't gigantic on paper, it certainly feels gigantic on dirt. I spent a fair bit of time riding last year's Teocali on the rocky, steep, and rough trails of Pemberton, BC, a little town known for its toothy singletrack and where kneepads are as common as helmets. In that setting, the old bike felt unsettled and short on traction, which in turn caused me to be short on confidence.

In comparison, the new Teocali offers a massive improvement in the handling department, even if it still can't keep up with some other bikes in the same travel bracket. The old Teocali's front-end often felt like it was close to tucking in under you, and this only got worse as the speeds picked up or the trail got steeper. Not exactly confidence inspiring, and places where I'd usually be playing around while on other bikes saw me giving the trail my full attention when I was aboard last year's 'goose. But the new bike offers much more stability and poise thanks to a front-end that wants to track better and doesn't make you feel like your water bottle is full of a month's worth of uppers and a coffee/Red Bull mix. In other words, the fresh Teocali is simply a calmer and more collected bike.
Mongoose Teocali Pro James Lissimore Photo

But it's still not an enduro bike by any means, and that's probably okay.

The Teocali is most at home when it's faced with tighter terrain than a lot of all-mountain bikes get along with; in these situations, the quick handling and short feeling chassis are in their element. There isn't a ton of effort required at the handlebar to get the Mongoose to boogie through tight corners that make other, ''more capable'' bikes seem awkward, and that had the Teocali coming across as more like a long-legged trail bike than an all-mountain weapon - take that as advice rather than praise or protest.
bigquotesSure, the Teocali could be a bit pointy through fast corners or on steep stuff, but damn, was it ever a fun bike to ride on slower, technical trails. It's a bit of a jank queen, to be honest, but so am I.

So, the new Teocali throws shade on its predecessor in every situation, but it's still not the kind of bike that's at ease on truly scary trails or if there's a clock ticking away. Name any new-school all-mountain or enduro-focused bike and it'll probably be easier to ride faster or face challenging descents aboard than if you were on the big Mongoose; this just isn't that type of machine. The front-end seems too on-edge, and my weight felt as if it was sitting a bit too far forward when I was near the limits of my own skill and coconuts. The 50mm stem (and 785mm handlebar) makes sense for the bike's travel and intentions, but I've become used to short stems being paired with longer reaches, and the 455mm reach on the Teocali, while roomier than the old bike, could do with a bunch more millimeters added to it to improve the bike's all-out descending abilities.


Mongoose Teocali Pro James Lissimore Photo
It's when things get fast or steep that the Teocali can start to feel less planted than other bikes sporting similar travel.


Sure, the Teocali could be a bit pointy through fast corners or on steep stuff, but damn, was it ever a fun bike to ride on slower, technical trails. It's a bit of a jank queen, to be honest, but so am I.

I'd describe the Teocali's rear-suspension as being extremely active and forgiving, if a bit deep feeling sometimes. I played around between the usual 25 to 30-percent sag and preferred the lower number as it helped to add some spring to the Teocali's step, and the action seemed to be just as supple at 25-percent as it did with another 5-percent tacked on. There isn't a ton of support - I was often deeper into the Fox shock's stroke than I thought I should be - but it also didn't clang off the bottom. The back of the Teocali certainly leans more towards forgiveness and traction than support, but dropping the sag to sit closer to 20-percent does accomplish that, and the suspension is still quite active at the top of its travel.

The new Teocali, while being much more bike than the 2017 version, isn't for you if you race enduros or frequent mostly steep, rough trails. There are loads of other mid-travel bikes to choose from if that's your gig, and Mongoose obviously didn't pen the Teocali to compete in that arena. But if you're looking for a 160mm-travel rig that will make a new-school enduro bike feel clumsy on tight terrain, and you don't need your front axle to sit miles out in front of you, this might be your bike.



Technical Details

• X-Fusion Manic Dropper Post: This ''budget'' dropper recently won our Value Product of the Year award and my time using it on the Teocali only cemented my vote for it. Yes, any 160mm-travel bike should have a long-stroke dropper, but the 125mm Manic performed flawlessly. An extremely light touch is required at the lever due to the actuation linkage, and it has an audible clunk at top-out to let you know it's fully extended. Zero reliability issue to boot.


• Schwalbe Hans Dampf Tires: I know that the Dampf has been around for ages now and that there are newer, more interesting rubber choices out there, but I've always got on well with these tires. They're a predictable, smart all-around choice for a bike like the Teocali.


Mongoose Teocali Pro James Lissimore Photo
Mongoose Teocali Pro James Lissimore Photo
Smartly, Mongoose spec'd the Teocali with a 50mm stem and 785mm wide handlebar, as well as Fox's 36 with the impressive Grip damper.


• XT 1x Setup: Shimano had a bit of a false start with their 1x chainrings in that they couldn't keep the chain on no matter how loudly you yelled at it. You needed to use some sort of guide in combo with them, so I wasn't expecting a trouble-free run when I saw the guide-less XT 1x system on the Teocali. Shimano has sorted those issues out, however, as I never dropped a chain or had any issues.


• Fox Suspension: The Float Performance 36 Float FIT GRIP and Float DPS shock that come on the Teocali aren't top-tier items, which makes sense given the bike's reasonable price, but it's getting damn hard to tell the difference between the best and the rest when it comes to Fox's suspension. This stuff just works well, doesn't require watching any setup videos or more than a cursory reading of the manual and, if this were my bike, gives me literally zero reasons to upgrade.



Pinkbike's Take
bigquotesIf you've skipped the rambling above, here's all you need to know: there are better bikes to choose from if you're looking for a 160mm-travel machine to descend rowdy terrain as fast as possible. That said, the Teocali Pro has a place in this world if you're a rider who wants a forgiving amount of travel but without the sometimes lazy handling that can go along with that. Mike Levy







About the Reviewer
Stats: Age: 37 • Height: 5'10” • Inseam: 33" • Weight: 165lb • Industry affiliations / sponsors: None • Instagram: killed_by_death
Mike Levy spent most of the 90s and early 2000s racing downhill bikes and building ill-considered jumps in the woods of British Columbia before realizing that bikes could also be pedaled for hours on end to get to some pretty cool places. These days he spends most of his time doing exactly that, preferring to ride test bikes way out in the local hills rather than any bike park. Over ten years as a professional mechanic before making the move to Pinkbike means that his enthusiasm for two wheels extends beyond simply riding on them, and his appreciation for all things technical is an attribute that meshes nicely with his role of Technical Editor at Pinkbike.



201 Comments

  • + 125
 Thanks for reviewing a bike in my tax bracket, but I’m obligated to mention YT Jeffsy are as low as $1950 right now. How can anyone compete when they are $1000 below freaking Mongoose!? (No disrespect to mongoose, I heart Akrigg)
  • - 26
flag WAKIdesigns (Dec 18, 2017 at 8:54) (Below Threshold)
 Does your Jeffsy creak already before you get it out of the box?
  • + 17
 @WAKIdesigns: mines been creak free so far
  • + 172
 Walmart just announced they will have an EWS Team for the 18/19 season...
  • + 15
 @WAKIdesigns: people should learn how to grease their bikes.
  • + 6
 Value is relative.
  • + 5
 I got a CF One for the same price as this Mongoose.
  • + 20
 @reed1: you jest but I wouldn't be surprised. The Walton family has probably spent $25million building up the MTB scene in Arkansas. Why not empty the guest house couch cushions and fund a house brand EWS team?
  • + 41
 @WAKIdesigns: do you get paid to post ridiculous amounts of dumb shit on the internets? You must literally spend a full work day writing comments on pinkbike. Exciting
  • + 12
 @pargolf8: He IS the number one commenter on PinkBike according to Eliot Jackson! www.eliotjackson.com/2017/11/21/pinkbike-exploration
  • - 6
flag WAKIdesigns (Dec 18, 2017 at 14:12) (Below Threshold)
 hey, I am a YT fanboi, yet I got out of my way and threw a bone to anti-direct sales, pro LBS moralists. And where are you now?! Where are the positive props? You cowards!
  • + 22
 @WAKIdesigns: Your 14,000 comments can't all be zingers!
  • + 0
 It has a 'Pro' attached to it. So It has to be more expensive. $1000 at least. Smile
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: It's like a Niner
  • - 9
flag MrDiamondDave (Dec 18, 2017 at 19:32) (Below Threshold)
 @rowdycash: @WAKIdesigns: Is a lonely boy who lives in his mommy's basement, beating it to the latest bike porn
  • + 2
 Classic Waki
  • + 11
 @MrDiamondDave: so you fantasized about me jerking off in the basement?
  • + 20
 @WAKIdesigns: I don't know if I speak for everyone, but your constant bull shit on here is REALLY annoying. Maybe take it down a notch, or better yet, take a hiatus.
Cheers.
  • + 16
 @masonstevens: If you don't like bullshit then why are you in the comment section of pinkbike?
  • - 9
flag MrDiamondDave (Dec 19, 2017 at 4:17) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: YES everyday on your mom
  • + 3
 @pargolf8: Man, I thought I was the only one thinking this, hahaha.
  • + 2
 @timsim07: Because for the most part, its not bull shit. Its usually entertaining, but right now we have Waki talking about jerking off. That's not what I created a pinkbike account for.
  • + 2
 I apologize, I shouldn’t have replied...
  • + 3
 @masonstevens: “usually entertaining” is a stretch...
  • + 4
 Waki is the only one who makes any sense around here.
  • + 3
 @excavator666: pilot fish
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: you jerk off Wink
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: What kind of man spends his life posting every single day on pinkbike. A man who supposedly has a wife and children would rather do this than spend time with his family.

Grim.
  • + 2
 @Yahtzeee: Do you do life coaching? Spiritual guidance? Team building? Motivational speaking? Cognitive Behavioral Therapy? Help me become a man
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I have a job and spend my free time actually participating in my hobbies and doing things with my family. Speaking of CBT, you may benefit from it to overcome this pitiful addiction, but I'm not qualified to administer it - sorry.
  • + 2
 @Yahtzeee: We are his other Fam bro. Duh.
  • + 1
 @Yahtzeee: I applaud you then, bravo, bravo! clap! clap! clap! clap! I don’t give a shit and I guess I should thank you for your care, so I do. All hail to this social norm. Oh and I’ve tried all of the above, that’s why I asked Smile I’d rather have CBD over CBT. I’m terribly sorry that you must read all my crap. Huh now that’s somethin honest
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: how is it that you don’t have a blog?
  • + 1
 @speed10: cuz I don’t like monologues and making myself a thing. I like interaction and freedom to change anytime into anything. But you can find me on instagram...
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Speaking of CBD, you need to get on the case. Normal Waki is a great test of anyone's sense of humour, but I feel that Waki on wacky baccy could push us towards new frontiers of insight. Or just be very funny.
Oh, and all families are not equal.
  • + 1
 @BenPea: Sweden will sadly be one of the last countries in the world to legalize Marijuana. Considering how they treat us like children when it comes to alcohol with System Bolaget bullsht, I don't think we will ever get psychoactive marijuana. I'd love to live in a world where I can go for DMT to a clinic or microdose mushrooms, then use Marijuana as much as I can now use alcohol but... well... it's far away I'm afraid. Maybe my kids will have better luck
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I would never condone doing anything illegal, obviously. But you know...

A Swedish acquaintance explained the booze thing to me. That is definitely nuts. And judging by the amount the Swedes can knock back, I'm guessing the tax revenue from that system is astronomical.
  • + 68
 You know why I love the PB comment section? Because when they review an expensive bike, we all make dentist jokes. When they review a cheap bike, we complain about Target and make various other derogatory comments about budget bikes. We're the toughest crowd on the interwebz.

Although, seriously, YT has some great prices right about now. At any rate, neon green and "Target" aside, I'm glad to see a reasonably priced bike reviewed.
  • + 18
 Ya know, $3000 is still not a small amount of money for a bicycle.
  • - 2
 It's looks similar to a 3 year old Trek Slash, but shitter. LMFAO
  • + 60
 Probably a great bike to ride but the paintjob gives a very cheap/low end look to the bike.
Exactly the kind of paint you'll see on a supermarket MTB. At this price tag, it's a big mistake in my opinion.
  • + 17
 I think the neon colors are OK if you're into that, but the tribal-looking graphics are just awful.
  • + 4
 The paint job does the goose no favors. A less garish paint and decal combo would go a long way to improving the bike's appearance and make it seem more costly than it is.
  • + 6
 The paint is awful. Just awful. Even if it was the best bike around, I'd pass if it wasn't available in a different color.
  • + 1
 buy at your local Wally world
  • + 41
 Buzz's Girlfriend, woof!
  • + 3
 Well done.
  • + 2
 Who's Buzz?
  • + 4
 @jclnv : It's unfortunate I can't give you more upvote.
  • + 1
 @2bigwheels: did @jclnv get redacted?
  • + 2
 Keep the change ya filthy animal
  • + 3
 snakes, snakes... i dont know no snakes..
  • + 0
 Hmm, I believe the quote your looking for is, "Buzz, your girlfriend, Woof!"
  • + 1
 @burnadette: I'm going to give you till the count of three; to get your, lying, no good keister out that door! One...two...
  • + 34
 Looks like they put the top tube on upside-down.
  • + 26
 Frame welder: "Aaaand, done. *takes step back* Ah, f#ck. Oh well, send it!"
  • + 1
 @mxjeremy Was my fist thought too!
  • + 12
 Marketing - "Whats stand over?" F**K it, lets make it so you smash your balls every time you dismount. We'll call it "Soprano Technology" Genius!
  • + 1
 Gonna need to take up pole vaulting, never mind MTB.
  • + 3
 Yeah but you can fit a 2 litre water bottle in there so they should probably raise the price
  • + 1
 We need that bikepacking space!
  • + 1
 @MTBrent: Those kids don't care
  • + 0
 Nut Cracker Technology, just in time for Christmas.
  • + 28
 i wake up wearing goggles
  • + 7
 Never woke up wearing goggles but have definitely went to sleep wearing them.
  • + 2
 take them of from time to time tho, so people notice the goggle tan
  • + 1
 *off
  • + 1
 @ismasan: why would i need to take them off? thats the reason i wear them
  • + 4
 Pro tip, wear your goggles when chopping onions.
  • + 1
 @Boardlife69: Real tip- Keep your face back just enough to avoid the synpropanethial-S-oxide released. You'll get a feel for t.
  • + 1
 @Boardlife69: contact lenses are enough, true story
  • + 21
 Thanks Pinkbike and Mongoose for reviewing an affordable bike. I like the mid-range and high end reviews too, but it’s great when the full range of bikes are tested.

I have a question for the reviewer, Mike Levy: What other bikes in this price bracket perform better on the downhills than the Mongoose that you alluded to in “Pinkbike’s Take?”
  • + 14
 This is a very pertinent question. YT Jeffsy? Low end Intense with their new pricing? Process AL 153? Commencal? I'd love to see a sub $3000 shootout.
  • + 7
 @MrMentallo: 100% would love to see that. Hell, they could do 3 or 4 price brackets. Sub 3k, sub 5k and "super bike" 6k+, for example.

It's great to see a number of 3k bikes reviewed... it should happen a LOT more often. Pick 5 bikes from this list, review, and get back to us:

www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/mountain-bikes/full-suspension?ss=2487&sort=pricelow&pf=2000&pt=3000

Thanks Pinkbike, you guys rule!
  • + 2
 @phobospwns: There is no way most brands would risk a "superbike" shoot out. Imagine the effect if the result was; "The Brand X supoerbike barely reached the level of the sub 5k bikes, let alone the other bikes on test"

Although, if they got average riders to do the tests blind the results would probably be hilarious; "None of our testers could tell the difference between the GX and XO drive trains and they preferred the $3k bike over the $10k bike as a more forgiving and comfortable ride"
  • + 1
 @Roobar: You're totally right on both accounts, to be honest!
  • + 20
 Incoming walmart comments
  • + 6
 Nah, I rode a mongoose for a couple seasons, killer bike for the price.
  • + 3
 Wal-goose!
  • + 17
 Looks like a Trek Fuel and Walmart had a baby
  • + 10
 Or a Trek Fuel had a baby inside a Walmart.
  • + 13
 All the Walmart bike comments... Before a lot of you were born there were a ton of people all over the world racing Mongoose BMX Bikes they paid top dollar for. Biggest brands when I was a kid. Hutch, Patterson, Haro, GT, Mongoose, Diamond back, PK Ripper and the list goes on. Some of which had to start making cheap bikes when interest tapered off to stay in business. I’d gladly ride that Mongoose. Being a kid of the 80’s I’d probably be cool with that color too lol
  • + 2
 At one point they offered a nice titanium hardtail.
  • + 9
 John Tomac rode for Mongoose!
  • + 1
 It is not the same anything, It is just a name now, They dead
  • + 16
 Thanks for the reviews on the lower MSRP bikes PB!
  • + 12
 So who would buy this over a Canyon/Commencal/YT or even a basic build Intense or Santa Cruz?
  • + 4
 You can get a new Kona Process 153 AL (27.5 or 29) for the same price. The Kona blows this out of the water performance and looks-wise.
  • + 18
 Canyon/Commencal/YT all have pressfit bottom brackets.

If you want Fox suspension for $2,999 then Intense is out.

To get a Fox 36 with Santa Cruz it's $3999 in aluminum Bronson, but that does include GX Eagle.

All compelling reasons to look at the Mongoose.
  • + 0
 @yzedf: Damn!...how the hell did I get that threaded BB to fit into my Canyon Strive then? I must either be some sort of mechanical genius, or Canyons come with threaded BB's.... (not on all models, mind you, but most)
  • + 1
 @yzedf: Trek, Specialized, Giant have pressfit bottom brackets too and that doesn't stop people from buying them. I know Mongoose has history, but it's a tall order to come in at that price point even with nice components when the same name can be found at Walmart.
  • + 3
 @handynzl: Spectral is pressfit and the more applicable bike comparison here.
  • + 3
 @matadorCE: I know that. I also know that my specialized has 2,500 miles on it and is creaking again. I also know that specialized un-updated the Enduro back to a threaded bb. I also know that my Mongoose Vinson fatbike that cost a whopping $399 has a threaded bb and doesn't creak even though it see's mainly winter and early spring riding (snow and mud).

My personal experiences of course, but they don't seem to be entirely unusual.
  • + 8
 The color kills it for me. The last thing I want is a bright color pointing out I am riding a Walmart brand regardless of how it competes with the top selling brands. If this was a matte or dark color it would at least blend in. Also imagine trying to resell this thing down the road. It is already hard trying to sell a reputable company's bike like Santa Cruz or Trek. Selling this would be like selling a used PT Cruiser.
  • + 7
 These days, it seems as if your all-mountain bike can't be ridden like a downhill sled, it's not worthwhile. That's absurd, of course, as there are far more riders who just want a decent descender than there are enduro bros who wake up wearing goggles and believe their 160mm bike needs to be EWS-ready. Thank you.
  • + 10
 We will find out that this bike can do everything well when Chris Akrigg comes out with his new video showcasing it.
  • + 6
 Isn't that like saying Kia or Hyundai are well handling cars after Lewis Hamilton drives them?
  • + 15
 @saskskier: I was thinking about when Top Gear did that with the F1 vistiors... Now that would be a funny PB piece.

The pitch...

Either take a biker at Whistler that is complaining about their bike, time a run, hand it to a pro time the run, and then hand the bike back. We can title the piece "Shut Up and Ride Faster"

Or...

Set up pros on budget crap bikes, and see how fast they can rip a trail compared to their usual steeds. Kinda like those fashion on a budget pieces...
  • + 9
 @focofox37:
'Best Motoring' in Japan used to do that with cars in their "My Car Challenge". You got to challenge a pro driver at your circuit of choice. You set a lap time in your own car, then handed your keys to the pro to see if they beat you. It was brilliant. Something similar with bikes would be awesome.
  • + 4
 Obviously this isn't the go-to brand for most (any?) PB users, but its geometry and specs match the price well, and it could make a great intro bike for someone new to the sport. I started on a DB Mason fs that I was able to get for dirt cheap, and it was more than enough for me to make some huge leaps in skill from my hardtail days. I could have bought a better bike off the buy/sell, but as a new rider it was too scary to dive into the used market with that much cash and so little knowledge of components. This seems like a great place to start.
  • + 7
 I've never seen a Mongoose in the wild.
  • + 5
 I just revived my old Tyax that has been my used for going to the bakery and back. Got an old Revelation fork and some Mavic 26" that has been hiding in friends' garages, put a cheap 1x10 on it (Funn and Zee) and it has become my favourite bike. It is awesome fun and won't hurt too much if I damage it. What's not to like?
  • + 2
 the goose is loose!
  • + 1
 Considering that there are some people that go to walmart wearing cardboard boxes as clothes, I think that we all have seen a Mongoose in "the wild"
  • + 1
 Ride with me dude if you want to see teocali in the wild
  • + 1
 @chriscowleyunix: You can't ride a 26er and enjoy it! Don't you know? Your bike only works if it is a new 29er or a 27.5. Sorry.
  • + 3
 Can’t understand the reviews lately that claim a 160mm rig is not an enduro bike. 66.5 head angle is just a pinch sharper than most and the front end is slightly higher front end to make up for it (conical headset. Not cutting edge or mind blowing numbers but a more traditional geo that arent gonna hold anyone back.
  • + 2
 YT for the competitive win on price point - for now ! This bike and the welcome PB review does throw some deep shade on numerous brands competing for your hard-earned cash. Seriously, YT and a dozen other brands can't figure out how to spec a threaded bb to their manufacturers in Taiwan - wtf ? ? Sizing and fit details ?? Canyon's U.S. website can ( sorta) tell 95% of their potential buyers what size bike they should ideally buy, contingent upon a riders measurements and riding style. I've seen 380 pages of routine questions in PB's jeffsy forum on what size bike should consider buying and YT and its community of fanboi's still can't answer that question with any clarity.

The biggest win with this review is that a sensible price point in decent and rideable new bikes is slowly becoming a welcome reality and option for many. If you've got a fat wad of cash burning a hole in your pocket, get your dream bike order placed at Yeti's ( or fill in your favorite boutique brand ) website. If you're like the other 95 % of us here, look at the numerous options we now thankfully enjoy and tell today's competing brands what you want in a new bike before you click the "buy"button.
  • + 3
 That pivot point on the chainstay... how much action is that getting, and do I even want movement there? Anyways, i think it looks better than that red and blue abomination Intense puts out.
  • + 4
 Horst Leitner can probably explain.
  • + 4
 @PhillipJ: I believe his name is pronounced "Horst Linkner"
  • + 1
 that chain stay pivot probably gets more action than you do
  • + 2
 Are all bike reviewers short shits? Every review I read these days goes on about how the bars are too high because the stack height/head tube length is wrong. If a bike has 27.5 wheels it doesn't need a 29eresque short head tube. Period. If your'e actually man sized - eg over 6' you're facing an XC style low bar on most enduro bikes these days, even in XL size. Bike manufacturers need to think bigger than teeny tiny short shits. Viva long head tubes, viva!
  • + 2
 Why, why, why did Mongoose paint this so ugly? It's a great bike, all the other boxes are ticked including a threaded BB, but if it doesn't sell well, it'll be blamed on something else apart from people not buying it because of the ugly, fade prone paint, when in reality, it costs no more money to paint something in an attractive colour with some subdued graphics.
Kona doesn't seem to get it either; all their low end bikes sport nice paint jobs, but the higher end ones are god awful.

Interested in how this will stack up to the Kona Process 153 SL at a similar price, however.
  • + 1
 www.konaworld.com/platform_process.cfm

I think this years Process lineup is pretty understated in the Paint/graphics department.
  • + 1
 @driftboatdan: With the exception of the teal, I think you are right. But all their advertising is with that color for some reason. It's painful to look at!
  • + 1
 I had 2 mongoose MTB's a otero and a teocali both really were decent bikes, but with both bikes when I had issues mongoose was unreachable(called, emailed, facebook) , tried to get a der hanger and bearings for the otero they would not get back to me, same thing on the teocali. this was a couple years ago maybe things have changed.

I had several real mongoose products when I was a kid (few BMX and a awesome mongoose scooter), they had good support back then, they even replaced a I frame I broke even though my dad had brazed it to get me by for a while, only reason why I got the mongoose mtb's
  • + 1
 I don't really know why anyone would buy this... It's not very attractive, and with other direct to consumer brands such as YT, Canyon, Commencal, etc, and now Intense, you can get a better looking and performing bike for the price. And there is nothing better about this bike than others.
  • + 3
 Another old school BMX company that lost their way years ago, I would buy Akrigg a pint but would never consider owning a Mongoose.
  • + 1
 Wallmart wallmart wallmart..how many this word appears for this article? Funny..
The only guy who still looks cool with mongoose is only chris akrigg, and I ride mongoose teocali, the old one with freedrive suspension
  • + 1
 Haven't seen that in a while where they do XT for the more visible stuff and SLX for cassette/shifters to keep the price down. I thought Shimano said that companies couldn't do that anymore?
  • + 3
 Thanks for the review. This is a bike I could see some of my friends who are less enthusiastic about biking considering.
  • + 1
 I'd put a front mech on the thing, only because I'd also have a 11-23 cassette, like all my bikes have had for the last 15 odd years. Yeah I'm a weirdo, you can try to keep up but you'll need a big chainring
  • + 4
 And the ugliest bike of the year award goes to.........
  • + 1
 I'll wait till i see Akrigg riding it before i judge it. But first impressions it looks like its been shunted with the bowed top and down tube, the proportions just don't seem right.
  • + 3
 My balls hurt just by looking at that top tube.
  • + 3
 *Slow Clap*

Finally, they review a reasonably priced bike!!!
  • + 2
 and this is the only enduro bike i have ever seen someone do a 180 barspin on. damn dj brandt and his crazy park skills
  • + 2
 Same awful catalogue bike as cubes me thinks. Nice parts shame about the frame.
  • + 2
 What this needs is Chris Akrigg to show what this bike can do, less words more video!
  • + 3
 as Long as longoose is funding Akrigg videos they’re ok by me.
  • + 1
 Geez it’d be nice to edit on mobile

*mongoose
  • + 2
 You could also juse buy a Trek Remedy 7 for the same price...
  • + 1
 or you could get a made in the usa guerrilla gravity megatrail for $2995 that will ride circles around this?
  • + 1
 Sheesh, was expecting an under $1,000 bike. Still not sure what makes bikes so expensive, apparently it isn't just the name.
  • + 1
 The front-end of the frame looks like GT Froce 2009. First thing popping in my mind.
  • + 1
 No comments on the cable routing? Guess the neon paint distracted everyone away from the chain stay internal routing
  • + 0
 because i have a 2017 Whyte G-160S in a similar colour, does that mean my bike looks nasty too?
(I dont like the look of the Goose BTW!)
  • + 3
 Stand over looks awful.
  • + 3
 Looks like a lawn chair!
  • + 1
 with throw up on it
  • + 3
 What's a 36 DPS?
  • + 2
 I'm guessing the author swapped "DPS" and "EVOL" in their head, both being relatively new tech, especially at this price point. The EVOL label is visible on the shock, and though not visible on the fork, I think all fork models have the new air spring as of 2018.

One could guess that a DPS fork is a new OEM-only item; but DPS refers to lockout/firm mode being on a separate piston, and the fork definitely has a GRIP damper (visible in the photos and stated in the review itself).
  • + 1
 That's ballsy, making a bike that seems tall and short, opposed to any other appealing bike out there currently...
  • + 2
 A 160mm suspension with a 66.5 degree hta wtf!
  • + 1
 Those 445mm chainstays are going to be “playful”...

Psyche
  • + 3
 Looks like a Trek!
  • + 4
 Yah it does. A lot like my FuelEX
  • + 0
 @UPBike: don't disrespect trek like that.. I'm on a fuel 9.9 and it looks nothing of the sort
  • + 4
 @bohns1: Looks like a 2008 fuel ex
  • + 1
 @j-t-g: That I agree with.
  • + 1
 3k for a goose?? has me interested
  • + 1
 Mongoose was cool in the 80s
  • + 1
 a floating shock mount is now 'a twist'? smh.
  • - 2
 Considering that I actually can't think of a single bike company except for Mongoose that's doing it...yeah
  • + 4
 @mnorris122: my 2012 trek remedy has the exact same set up. 5 years ago.
  • + 2
 @mtbgreg80302: Yeah, and it's still a good setup. Unless you're a dentist.
  • + 1
 @mnorris122: the point is it's been around for a very long time. it's not a twist on suspension design.
  • + 2
 @mtbgreg80302: Yeah, and now Trek isn't doing it. In today's market, it's a twist
  • + 2
 @mnorris122: Ah, yes they still are. No longer on the Slash or Session, but still on the Remedy and Fuels
  • + 2
 @mnorris122: Merida, Trek, Mondraker (slightly diff geometry, but still a floating shock), Vitus...
  • + 2
 Looks like an Ellsworth!
  • + 2
 Ellsworth didn't use the floating shock. Looks as much like an Ellsworth as your asshole looks like a beautiful flower..
  • + 3
 @LOTCP:

Angry Ellsworth owner, I presume?
  • + 0
 @WasatchEnduro: No. Tony Ellsworth is an analbead. Aside from that little-known fact, it simply irks me for people to use "Ellsworth" as a synonym for all that is unholy. Ellsworth made good bikes (that is, 2012 and 2013 made in Portland alu frames). All mfgs make bad bikes from time to time. Why so much hate on one brand? My NS Fuzz has the exact same suspension design as this mongoose frame and nobody says it looks like an ellsworth. My trail bike is a Lynskey Ti 165mm frame and it is actually quite a nice ride.
  • + 2
 @LOTCP: Why? Brian Lopes
  • + 1
 @LOTCP:

Everyone’s just trolling, crab lord.

I remember circa early 2000s when they were lust worthy bikes. The Truth looked amazing back then.

I’ve got no issues with their new design but man is the market saturated with sweet bikes so we’ll see if they can even change their soiled image much and sustain profitability. Glad Lopes got a Factory ride but does anyone care what angry Brian is riding these days?

A lot of riders I know are carefully considering YT & Canyon. Not sure how many “boutique” brands are gonna make it 5 more years. For sure it’s an uphill battle.

Lynskey’s look sick.
  • + 0
 Can this be purchased at wal-mart with all of the other fine Mongoose products?
  • + 1
 Norco called..... they want their fluid back.
  • + 1
 Looking forward when PB reviews another reasonable priced bike, the HUFFY!
  • + 2
 P O S
  • + 1
 @jimmy0 time to sell the GG?
  • + 2
 This bike is the future "most-clapped" winner of the 2020 cowpie classic
  • + 1
 Transition Patrol. Same price. Sorry goose flight deck is full
  • + 1
 what no freeDrive?
  • + 1
 ugly paint
  • - 2
 PB copy writers are always so diplomatic. You could also write: "This bike is shitty but cheap..."
  • - 2
 there are more endure bros then just decent riders where I'm from...so your definitely wrong in the review in that aspect
  • - 2
 say what you will this review could be done in few words: "it's a mongoose"
  • - 3
 Will this be available at Target?
  • + 0
 Maybe Walmart?
  • + 1
 What about Sears?
  • + 2
 Wards?
  • + 1
 Big Grin maybe dollar tree lmao
  • - 1
 looks like a ghost cagua
  • + 1
 ......
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