More Day 1 Randoms - Sea Otter 2021

 Hate to be the one to break it to you but you aren't an "old man" at 39.

 @GBeard: tell my knees that.

 I'm 27 but my knees feel twice that.

 Give it another ten years. You'll be able to tell which middle age guys were all into the short travel is better craze. All the squish for longevity!

 @Unrealityshow:
Look up Ben Patrick, aka @kneesovertoesguy

Has literally been a life-changer for me.

 @GBeard: Like Indiana Jones said, "It's not the years, it's the mileage."

 @Unrealityshow: Stretching daily and really easy recovery days (riding or walking) helps a lot.

 @Unrealityshow: work on that squat form & using your glutes. Game changer for knees!

 @tacklingdummy: If I forget to stretch, they let me know. I’ll have to look into asking the boss for lighter days at work.

 @Unrealityshow: @tacklingdummy definitely don't forget to stretch. My observations are also that cyclists forget to stretch the inner leg muscles, this is imperative for balancing of the tissue in the legs.

 is it being old or weighing as much as house cat, and having the height of a midget?

 @RBalicious: Yup, it's amazing what strengthening your legs will do for the stability of your knees.

 @nickfranko: Strengthening as well as stretching all of the muscles. You can't have strength without stability or mobility. Hence targeting all of the muscle groups. Having worked with a variety of demographics, most people would stretch (if but briefly), quads, and hamstrings. Some times would stretch glutes and calves. Calves/Soleus and "groin" muscles play a HUGE role in cycling, and many people omit stretching those groups.

 @colincolin: im 15 and my knees feel like that

 I'd love to see it first hand but I'm gonna be outatime to get there

 What happens if you hit 88mph?

 Where we are going…. we don’t need….roads.

 @Offrhodes: you are probably pushing 1.21 gigawatts of power to hit that speed.

 There are some options on the market, I see them more and more here in europe

 i think Mondraker is on it...

 Come on son! Pedal!!!!!

 @kazwei: I get it for a family that does casual rides with their kids and want to extend their reach. Kids that are in to mountainbiking and love playing around with their bikes don´t fly for those heavy tanks.
My son loves the DH part but is not a fan of the uphill part (can´t blame him at 7 years of age) but he rather pedals up the hill or asks me for a tow than having to ride a e bike which is about the same as his body weight.
But I can see that kids e bikes can make sense for some.

 www.commencalcanada.com/meta-ht-24-power-2022-c2x33295820

been out for a few years.

 All the parents I see on eBikes are towing the kids.

 Give them Cake.

 i've seen a few electric strider bikes around

 @chize: Our local weird-ass (in a good way) bike park, SkyPark, just put in a little course with Stacyc electric balance bikes that the little ones can zoom around on. My 5yo, who rides a pedal MTB, took a few laps on one and loved it. My 3yo, who is a little more cautious than his older brother, and isn't on a pedal bike yet but can balance his strider, tried it out. Even in the slowest setting it was too much for him. He grabbed a whole handful of throttle, crashed, and didn't want to get back on.

Related: SkyPark isn't lift-served, you gotta pedal back up, but eBikes are allowed. That's where I typically see parents on eBikes towing kids.

 wonder when we will see "Downcountry Bites" enter the market?

 Sea SlOtter

 Sea Otter+ now

 Shame it's called EWS-E and not E:WS

 @colincolin: E^2WS

 @colincolin: eew!WS

 This has been a thing for like 15 years already:

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I just don't think it was necessary for the majority of bikers and adds unsprung weight. The only other place I can even recall a vented rotor on a 2-wheel vehicle is on the rear wheel of a Repsol Honda MotoGP bike. Either way though, this is going to be a superior design to just making the rotor twice as thick.

 @Sweatypants: Yeah I remember when those vented rotors came out. I run Hope v4's on my DH bike so could actually fit vented rotors if I wanted, but like you I figure they are overkill for all but the heaviest riders. They are 3mm thick though. I think 2.2mm is plenty enough to add a bit of stiffness to mtbs traditionally overly-bendy rotors, without the extra cost or complication of the central vented layer.
To be fair, I'd happily run the hope vented rotors if they were cheaper. As it is, I'll buy some TRP's and be happy.

 Lol, except google just told me Hope make 2.3mm rotors too. I'm even happier now

 @gabriel-mission9: I'd say their use would be more relational to your speed + duration of braking, duration being the key factor there. Probably come in handy on like some Megavalance type deal or something that is steep forever and ever. or Psychosis. The 2.3 with more material will I guess just be able to fight off the heat for a little bit longer, its still not gonna dissipate it like the vents will and I'm sure will still soak given enough time. To the one point you made though, I feel like every single time I buy new rotors, at least one of them has some tiny bend in it that needs to be straightened no matter who its from. Maybe it'll help that. Or maybe it'll just make it harder to bend straight haha.

 @Sweatypants: Yes and no. A rider that is twice the weight has twice the energy to get rid of. On any given track you start at the top stationary, and end at the bottom stationary, so the amount of work the brakes have done basically works out as the altitude lost times the weight of the bike+rider. It's not quite as simple as that, but that is roughly it. So yeah braking duration does have a big effect, but on similar tracks heavier riders need bigger/more efficient brakes to achieve the same heat dissipation.

But yeah, my main issue is how bendy rotors are. If they aren't wobbly when they arrive, they will be after the first time you donk them on a rock or something. It's really bloody irritating. 2.3mm rotors are gonna bend waaaay less than 1.8mm rotors. Straight rotors provide much better stopping power than bent rotors, so basically 2.3mm rotors should make your brakes noticeably better, with the only downside being a very small weight increase.

 @gabriel-mission9: sure fair enough. on short park laps and little bursts though they have a better recovery time. I know it has an effect, but me being 30-40lbs. more than the next guy would seem to have less of an effect than dragging them for 2 miles straight without letting up. Either way though... even one of my new Hopes had a slight bump that I had to straighten out. Seems totally fine now, but to your point, maybe that will happen less. at least floating rotors are floating. Nothing like having that with a 1-piece straight out the package to really harsh your mallow.

 Brazilian Wax

 Let me guess Park Avenue?

 Aw, I scrolled all the way back up to look for the Gary Fisher I missed, but it's just a moped, er, e-bike. Scooter?

 14, no? Works similar to the new Commencal DH prototype???

 @TrueScotsman: could be, Maths aside its still gonna be mud derived maintenance that I don't need

 @Mrbannez: it's full of electric bullshit and you're worried about the maintenance/reliability of a couple extra pivots? Okay....

 Specialized Enduro has 20 bearings!

 @thegoodflow: ...yes.

 @Mrbannez: oh.... well, that's dumb.

 Is 12 that unusual though? Just done my trance and I think it had 12. GFs fuel ex is now in bits, there's 12 on there so I assume the same on most (all?) ABP bikes.

That said halfway through the job I was heard to be shouting "f*ck it, I'm buying an Orange".

 @jazzawil: Hopefully bearings from Enduro....
I'll see myself out.

 @ChazzMichaelMichaels: family guy ostrich laugh haha

 @thegoodflow: I've ridden e-bikes for three years with not one digital/electrical failure...none. I have had to do the ballaching job of change bearings on each bike, twice per bike. I do 2-3,000 miles a year in the shite. But your opinion was insightful and helpful. Thankyou.

 @Mrbannez: Sounds like you better get the new Orange e-bike. Less is more, apparently.

 Only if it has the flux capacitor...

 Litespeed?