[Updated] Mountain Biker Attacked by Grizzly Bear Near Big Sky, Montana

May 28, 2020
by Daniel Sapp  
Big Sky, MT (Jason O'Neil Photo)


Update from the GoFundMe page: On Monday, May 25th Peter Sherfig, a 40 year resident of Big Sky, was tragically injured when he ran into a grizzly bear. He was mountain biking on a very popular trail in the Spanish Peaks development area. He sustained serious injuries to his face and neck and will have to travel and undergo extensive cranial and facial reconstruction. His insurance is $12000 deductible and will not cover the airlift to Billings or wherever he needs to go for further care. His personal and health care expenses will be exorbitant

Peter and his family have been a vital part of our community. His two children grew up here In Big Sky and in Bozeman. He taught for years at Ophir school and went on to open a learning academy in Bozeman.


As first reported by the Billings Gazette, a grizzly bear attacked and critically injured a man mountain biking near Big Sky on Monday afternoon.

According to Montana Fish, Wildlife, and Park's spokesperson Morgan Jacobsen, a man in his 60s was riding alone on a trail on private property in the Spanish Peaks Community just above the Ousel Falls Park Trail near Big Sky when the attack happened. Initial investigations from the FWP show that it's likely that the rider surprised the bear after rounding a sharp corner on the trail and it does not look like a predatory attack.

The rider was able to escape the bear and walked to the South Fork Road where he was aided by a passing motorist. The man was then airlifted to a Billings, Montana hospital and is in critical but stable condition, sustaining injuries to his face and back according to Jacobsen.

The trail has been closed while the investigation continues and game wardens are not actively searching for the bear.

Jacobsen encourages people recreating in bear territory to carry bear spray, recreate in groups, avoid areas with animal carcasses, and look for signs of bear activity.

We have reached out for more information and will update this story as it comes available.

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333 Comments

  • 405 20
 bearly escaped
  • 152 4
 I felt bad laughing at your comment....we are going to hell.
  • 70 5
 surprised... usually private communities have a clawse about off road trails
  • 117 7
 What a grizzly comment. Try to keep your comments a little more pawsitive in the furture.
  • 100 2
 Oso serious.
  • 33 3
 I just saunter up to an attractive Bear and ask "what's Ursine?"
  • 4 26
flag RoadStain (May 26, 2020 at 15:38) (Below Threshold)
 Wait, what again is the apex species?
  • 22 1
 It was simply a small Boo-Boo.
  • 4 1
 @5afety3rd That's pure gold
  • 18 1
 Some of these comments ... so petty and smaul.
  • 26 46
flag grocer (May 26, 2020 at 21:13) (Below Threshold)
 Just a friendly YC bear handing out teeth hugs to the right and left coasters that call MT home 2 weeks a year. Joking aside best wishes on recovery nature is no joke just wish it was one of the Trump's
  • 5 0
 Name checks out
  • 6 0
 too soon
  • 10 1
 Bear in mind that it’s still a tragedy
  • 5 5
 i cant bear these comments
  • 1 0
 @Oxiros: it's all good. we'll hang out.
  • 9 1
 bruined his whole day
  • 6 26
flag Floydsdad (May 28, 2020 at 7:16) (Below Threshold)
 These pathetic attempts at humour atvthe expense of the critical injuries this man suffered exemplify the dearth of empathy and compassion today. Give your heads a shake.
  • 10 1
 @Floydsdad: You created an account to belittle the coping mechanism of the masses: humor in the face of incomprehensible adversity?
  • 10 4
 Is the mountain bike ok?
  • 2 1
 @Dropthedebt: honey boo-boo
  • 200 1
 Don't recreate in groups! Recreate in groups!
  • 86 0
 damn it steve
  • 10 0
 @rickybobby18: f@rk!ng steve!
  • 21 1
 @f*ckingsteve: f*ckingsteve why do you have to bring up the social distancing in such a grizzly setting!
  • 2 5
 To be fair he probably paid a lot of money to be one for nobody else to ride that trail.
  • 9 2
 ^^My Grammar sucks^^ Should read.

To be fair he probably paid a lot of money for nobody else to ride that trail.
  • 17 4
 @manuni88: try again, mate.
"To be fair, he probably paid a lot of money for nobody else to ride that trail."

A comma is the difference between helping your uncle, Jack off a horse OR
helping tour uncle jack off a horse.
  • 47 0
 @CRAFTY-P: You’re still missing a comma there, mate. Wink
  • 9 2
 @cuban-b: He misses commas after "Jack" and before "OR" AND misspells "your" as "tour".

If your going to be a spelling/grammar pedantic, do it rite!!!

Also, the comma after "to be fair" is optional as it doesn't change the meaning of the sentence. The ones in uncle Jack (and the panda eats shoots and leaves) are not, because they *do* change the meaning. Oh well...
  • 11 1
 @cuban-b:

Well, I was referring to the fact I wanted to change how I word my shitty joke at the most critical part. What do you expect from a product of the 27th best education system in the world?
  • 5 0
 @manuni88: I responded to crafty-p, not you. So it looks like reading comprehension is also in question Wink I kid I kid
  • 6 1
 @mi-bike: do it right not rite.

Rite is a ceremonious or religious act.
Like a rite of passage....
  • 2 0
 @cuban-b: Well now I feel attacked!
  • 6 0
 @manuni88: wate is 27ith gud er badd.
  • 2 0
 @dodgerpuppy: Found the Valid Victorian
  • 1 0
 @manuni88: International education ranking is a funny thing. Are the scores derived from the merits of the educators or results of the students? Hmm....
  • 2 1
 @scotttherider: Thanks for you’re correction!
  • 1 0
 @mi-bike: no problem figured if we’re all playing grammar police than might as well play along.
  • 2 0
 @mi-bike: thought that was meant to be intentionally ironic since we’re talking about correct spelling. Like: dude, you’re grammar sucks cuz your not good at using apostrophes!
  • 3 0
 Recreate in groups, die of COVID. Recreate alone, get eaten by a grizzly. What to do?..
  • 1 0
 @cuban-b: @scotttherider clearly didn’t see my strategically placed errors (apart from “rite”). If he had we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
  • 2 0
 @mi-bike: just glad it’s not a political discussion.
  • 111 1
 60 year-old dude *walked out*. That's a genuine MT Hard Guy, right there.
  • 8 0
 I think it was Chuck Norris' younger brother.
  • 47 0
 @mybaben: if that had been Chuck Norris'a brother the bear would have walked out of the woods seeking medical attn. Haha
  • 9 0
 Kind of reminds me of the one bitten by a rattlesnake that finished his ride before going to the hospital
  • 5 0
 @mybaben: no its just your average Montanan
  • 7 0
 Yeah the bear roughed him up enough that he had to be airlifted in critical condition but that doesn't mean he wasn't up for a short hike before hand... respect for your elders on that one.
  • 12 0
 dude prob rides singlespeed rigid too!
  • 2 0
 @mybaben: is Chucks brother as b.a. as Chuck?
  • 1 0
 @gmoss: LOL! Right?
  • 4 0
 @lightsgetdimmer: No. That's why this guy got jacked up. If he was as bad ass as Chuck, he would've carried the bear out of the woods, so he could be airlifted. Wink
  • 3 0
 Is the mountain bike ok?
  • 52 3
 Discussion of how best to carry a large firearm on your bike starting in 3...2....1....
  • 124 3
 This is PB, those discussions only take place in the below threshold comments.
  • 94 0
 I thought that is what SWAT boxes were for
  • 35 0
 Gives SWAT box a whole new meaning
  • 35 12
 Chest holster is best IMO; gunfightersinc.com/kenai-chest-holster
  • 30 0
 Claymore strapped to the chest 'otta do it.
  • 6 0
 @MikeyMT: Looks like Gwinners mechanic Juan Hall.
  • 34 4
 Homie was in the military I believe. Studies show spray is more effective than a firearm anyway. In this case not sure there would of been time for either. Guy is lucky to be alive.
  • 38 20
 Ever since moving to the states I keep hand grenades in my glovebox, fanny pack, and bedside table. Never know when you're gonna need to be the guy who has to defend others from a "good guy with a gun". lol
  • 9 3
 Bear spray is more effective than the gun you will be willing to carry ridding a bike.
  • 6 18
flag cheetamike (May 26, 2020 at 14:29) (Below Threshold)
 @Cyberhatter: ya till the wind changes and you get it back in your face.Also key point here. It,s a Grizzly bear , spray maybe more effective on a smaller bear. Bigger bear it might just piss it off more. Personally I would carry both. Spray don,t work, you have a fighting chance with a pissed bear.
  • 14 6
 @MikeyMT: I agree with the chest mount. I live in Alaska and don't carry anything on local high trafficked mountain bike trails. Most carry spray, some carry a side arm. I do carry when hiking though, myself a glock 20 and my gf spray. I will say though a heavy cast round out of 10mm with experience is going to be more effective than that spray.
  • 11 2
 @cheetamike: lol. If you're using it correctly this will not happen...you need to wait to blow your load till the bear is within 10-12 feet...f*cking GULP.

Practice using those things guys...seriously. They kick more than you think, and fiddling with the cap is something you dont want to be doing for the first time with a Sow 10 feet away
  • 32 0
 Mounted on your helmet, pointing forward, with a handlebar-mounted trigger. Duh.
  • 2 0
 @MikeyMT: They recommend 30 feet . But how long does the spray last. No guarantee they work either . Don,t think you can test them??
  • 8 0
 I keep a grenade in the storage on my oneup edc tool
  • 16 0
 @cheetamike: 30ft dude, no way. different brands say different distance, but if the bear is more than 10 feet away you're just wasting it - this says 1.5 - 3 meters FWIW: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_spray

They are one time use only...you test it by just using an expired one, or just doing it cause you go in bear country a lot and want to be prepared. 20 bucks or death...lol. simple answer for me.
  • 5 0
 @cheetamike: You can test them easily. Note which way nozzle is oriented and be wearing goggles.
  • 2 0
 @cheetamike: They always work,some come with a very small can for use as a tester to try.
  • 2 1
 @MikeyMT:

Deploy in 2 to 3 second bursts when the bear is within 30 feet.

This is what the article stated. If a bear charges waiting till 10ft is suicide IMO.

www.cleverhiker.com/blog/does-bear-spray-really-work
  • 5 0
 @endlessblockades: And a face mask.......i inhaled a bunch of it while riding and it was an interesting experience.
  • 2 0
 @cheetamike: pretty much. making noise is key...you dont want to see them. Spray or firearm is the last line of defense. And frankly depends on the bear man...with grizley the studies show playing dead is the best form of defense statistically.
  • 3 1
 @MikeyMT: and a 44 snub nosed revolver. Like a Taurus Ultralite Titanium
  • 1 0
 A good locking holster with leg strap has worked for me. Nothing beats a jacket as far as riding mobility but that only for the winter. Still refuse to do critical air miles riding with one.
  • 5 0
 @MikeyMT: I have a bell on the bars. We have smaller bears locally . They hear you and get the heck out of the way. Unless there is cubs involved , most just stay out of the way. Cougars are popular close to me. Was stalked last summer. You could hear them chirping back and forth in the treeline. Once we got into the cut-block they disappeared.
  • 2 0
 @Cyberhatter: should carry both actually. Spray should work, but if it don't...…..
  • 3 2
 @Cyberhatter: "Bear spray is more effective than the gun you will be willing to carry ridding a bike."

I think that's the more accurate point between bear spray and firearms. Obviously people kill bears every year with firearms, even handguns. So pretty sure they are also effective! But even a Glock 29 etc. Is still a lot of weight to ride with in a place you can get to it reasonably fast. (that chest holster above is perfect for hiking, but to be 100% for mountain biking it would need additional retention IMO)

@MikeyMT: No doubt we'd all be shitting bricks during a bear attack and have a much greater chance with a dispersing cloud of spray VS hitting a head shot, etc. AND hopefully the intent is just to get the bear to go away.

BUT if I lived in Alaska, or I guess Montana, then I think I'd consider carrying BOTH!
  • 7 10
 Heh, the other day there was the discussion (again), the 9mm or the 45mm....one is for the angry boars, the other for the angry bears.....as for the native humans, just toss some meth at them and they go back into the woods.
  • 6 1
 @jaredmh: yeah most of what he says in that article I agree with except for the fact that the statistics don’t represent who is carrying those firearms and what they are. Clearly Karen from the burbs with her 380 is going to be far less effective then some random guy with bear spray. Case in point if you’re attacked by a bear who would you rather have in case of an attack. A guide with a 45-70 or some tourist whose last national park was Big Sur with bear spray. The backcountry of places like Alaska Wyoming Montana come with quite a bit of risk. People venturing off need to realize where they are. To me going into the Alaska backcountry without proper training and a firearm is suicide.
  • 6 1
 Anyone else regret posting here? Should have anticipated the notification storm...
  • 21 8
 @jaredmh: I was going to reference this exact article. It's worth a read to anyone who is interested in other than "feelings, "personal opinions," or anecdotal evidence.

But then again, I'm confident that to many gun people, a gun is always the answer, despite what the science says. Telling firearm proponents when not to need a gun is like telling religious people when their religion is wrong; Save your breath.
  • 7 0
 @MikeyMT: Spray it on all over yourself after one bite the bear will know you've been over seasoned!!
  • 5 1
 I'd pick bear spray every time over a firearm. These guys got attacked by a grizz in Alaska. It kept attacking the one guy after they shot it 5 times. Theres a good podcast where they interview the guy - Hunting Collective Podcast EP 126
  • 9 9
 @Mazdamia: tHe ScIeNcE. Notice they don't even source the article they come from that's because they are two different journals that the author said "“There was no thought of comparing the two [studies], though some do that,” Not that I would actually expect some city dwelling pinko to actually be able to do a proper amount of research rather than just take an article at face value because it supports his bias. Read this article

www.outsideonline.com/2401248/does-bear-spray-work

or don't and go out in bear country with your feelings and personal opinions, I don't really care
  • 57 9
 As a statistician, I don't understand the automatic downvote of anyone carrying a firearm. It's a simple concept, better to have than want. You can always carry both a firearm and spray. Personally when I ride in Montana, I carry 2 Glock 20s with the standard 15 round mags in the magwell, with 6 spare 32 round mags I converted from a Kriss (uses the same G21 mag body), on a chest rig. Ammo I use is Cor Bon 220 grain. On each ankle I carry S&W 329PD .44 airweights, in case one of my ankles is disabled in the attack, full redundancy. Lastly I have a Derringer M-4 .45-70 in a compartment in my helmet as a last resort in case the bear is standing on my legs and chest.

Now let's consider statistics: factually, we only know the man in the article has been on one MTB ride (could very well be more, but I don't want to speculate). We also know he was attacked on this ride. That's a 100% rate of getting attacked by bears. I personally have MTB'd in Montana 4 times with the equipment described above, and have been attacked 0 times. Random chance? Maybe. But again, better to have than want, I know I personally will go with my proven numbers vs. riding in Montana essentially naked as recommended by Pinkbike downvoters.
  • 14 1
 @GorgeousBeauGaston: this is hilarious
  • 2 5
 @stealthpenguin: "or don't and go out in bear country with your feelings and personal opinions, I don't really care"

I feel that way about SO SOOOOO many things....I mean, even with recent events, Ding Dong! Darwin wins!!!! So, stay home, wear a mask...much like the Holiday Inn's lights, death will be waiting for us, all of us. Pesky thing about life, fatal, every time :-)
  • 3 3
 @GorgeousBeauGaston: FACT MONGER!!!!!
  • 2 0
 How big of an issue is this over there? I don’t like the idea of injuring myself around wolves, cougars and bears. Haha.
  • 4 0
 @stealthpenguin: I lived for a summer in AK in the '90s, the locals told me to strap a cowbell to my saddle rails before hitting the trails to scare off the brownies.
  • 6 1
 @stealthpenguin: Not sure why the insults, but I've read-up on this significantly and based my decision on all available research. And no, I didn't site it all here but that article was one that I had also seen (including what is probably the most relavent study on this subject):
wildlife.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.2193/2006-452

My point was that many do not do all the research. Feel free to label me as you wish. I won't take the effort to respond to the "city dwelling pinko" label since you already know so much about me and everyone else who might dare disagree.
  • 9 10
 @Mazdamia: Don't back down now bro. You're the one that started talking from your pedestal with all your sCiEnCe and pejorative generalizations of "gun people" and "religious people."
(Of which I am neither, well not sure what you would define "gun person" but certainly not religous)
I know the journal, because that was the one that the author of the article you wanted to post compared to another journal of his. This is all wonderfully explained in the article I posted where some thought is given to actually interpreting the data instead of compiling it in a way that reaffirms a bias like the one you and the other guy did. The fact is there are too many variables to say which is more effective. Like I said I usually go out with my gf, I carry a firearm, her bear spray. Using data improperly like that to support a conclusion that isn't entirely true can be dangerous to those that want to actually know the best way to protect themselves in the back country, let alone having you act superior because of your choices. Why all the insults? Honestly some people just need to be insulted and based on your dumb comment with all the obvious arrogance you come across like one of them.
  • 7 0
 @Mazdamia: Can,t speak for the US . But in Canada we don,t have the option to carry a handgun. In certain situations you can get a limited carry permit. Basically you can carry in a designated area. This is for Trappers/Miners/Geologists and it can only be in their claim. They also have to go through training programs and practical courses for bear defence. Killing is a last resort in all situations.
  • 6 24
flag RoadStain (May 26, 2020 at 18:07) (Below Threshold)
 @cheetamike: I can speak for (most) of the US outside of idiotic "Gun Free Zones" such as Chicago (who had 10 killed an 39 injured, all, of course in the "Gun Free Zone" by just nice boys on their way to church).

But, yes, we have the god given right to arm ourselves.
  • 6 1
 @stealthpenguin: So what you're saying is that the evidence supports neither argument, but because I may do things different than you, I can't criticize others? Where is that logic? Reasonable people can reach different conclusions from similar data.

Given the heated response to my "poking the bear" in referencing the dedication of gun people and religious people (not sure those labels are pejorative) , I think at least half that argument is proven.

So long as you know your best way to protect "you," just as I have my best way to protect "me," we'll be alright.
  • 7 12
flag RoadStain (May 26, 2020 at 18:58) (Below Threshold)
 @Mazdamia: Just remember, as long as "they" get to decide what is best for you, and you are submissive, they will be so much happier....facts be dammed.
  • 4 0
 @ratedgg13: remember, to a certain extent claymores point both ways
  • 1 0
 @stealthpenguin: Agree, 10mm is no frickin joke
  • 1 1
 @chasejj: and then miss even a bear-sized target until he's close enough to shove that thing up your ass. Won't argue with caliber choice tho, but as the ladies say, I'll need at least 4" on that barrel.
  • 1 0
 @jaredmh: finally, empiricism!
  • 1 1
 @RoadStain: damn boy those 45mm cannons are a bit much, even for bears. Lol
  • 11 7
 @Mazdamia:

Did you ever consider that the research you are relying on is flawed? Let me explain:

I used to live "down a sunny dirt road deep in Bear Country". I often rode a bike carrying a Weatherby carbine. Nice light accurate hunting rifle, Mine could punch 25 mm groups all day long.

Our bears were American Black Bears. Little guys, maybe no bigger than 300 kg. Most a lot smaller, maybe 200 kg. We also had coyotes, cougars and bobcats. The Weatherby would have dispatched any of the above with ease, and maybe even a big bear like a Kodiak or Grizzly. Would need a good heart/lung shot to drop a big animal with that rifle.

Most of the time these animals try to avoid a large adult, and at 120 kg I fit that description pretty well. But I did once come home to find a cougar on the porch. Yes, I tried to track it and if I had found it I would have killed it. And this leads me to the reason that the data set is flawed.

There is a saying in rural America, "If you have to shoot an attacking animal you shoot, shovel, and shut up!" If I had found that cougar that was on my porch that is what I would have done. It was not hunting season, so rather than deal with a very hostile bureaucrat, follow the rule of "3S".

I am going to claim that what the study found was that some people are injured when they are attacked by bears. No shit! What they did not take into account, and I don't know any way to get an accurate count, was how many people dropped the bear and walked away happy to be alive and never reported it to anyone. That is what I would do.
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic: stories like this make me so glad I live over here haha
  • 1 0
 @MikeyMT: does it come with a gopro mount?
  • 7 1
 @stealthpenguin: whats that gf spray? Is it to fight of women?
  • 7 12
flag stealthpenguin (May 27, 2020 at 1:07) (Below Threshold)
 @Mazdamia: like I said princess. I don’t care what YOU do. I do, however, call out bullshit cherry picked statistics that could influence people that want to know the reality of places like the Alaska backcountry. I was introduced to Alaska while in the military and spent 8 years with extensive firearm training and dealing with more hostile threats than bears. Then moved back here and worked summers as a guide in undergrad, so I have some background to say that. I’ve seen the repercussions of overzealous tourists like you. I started with the insults because of your self righteous attitude and quite frankly I don’t give enough a f*ck to be nice to people like you.

@martinKS: yes.. exactly
  • 1 0
 @MikeyMT: would have
  • 1 0
 @rickybobby18: it's true. I laughed...a lot
  • 4 1
 I got attacked by a bear once and punched it in the you know what and it stopped and said “there’s a rumbling in my tummy” and climbed a tree and took a dump on me.
  • 1 0
 @ratedgg13: make sure to point claymore AWAY from the body
  • 3 1
 I only carry a 9mm, but I'd do everything I could to avoid hurting a bear in its natural habitat.
  • 4 0
 @MikeyMT: I own lots of bear spray and a 45-70 for bear defense while sneaking around in the woods. But both stay home while riding because my mind has decided that I'm the biggest danger to myself!
  • 1 1
 @chasejj: “Spray should work, but if it don't...…..” you won’t have any time left to bend over and kiss your ass goodbye! I’ve never been charged, but have had lots of black bear encounters and even they can cover a lot of ground quickly. I can only imagine how fast a brown bear can move.
  • 3 0
 @Ironmonsoon602 said “remember, to a certain extent claymores point both ways”.

Claymores point one way and are labeled “front toward enemy”. Not saying you would not be injured standing close behind one, as I wasn’t brave enough to try it. Those things are no joke

Edit: my reading comprehension is not so good today. I read @Ironmonsoon602’s comment totally wrong and basically said the same thing he did. In the words of Homer Simpson, “I am so smart, S-M-R-T!”
  • 3 0
 @stealthpenguin: Man thanks for that article.

"Is that something more a firearm? “If you’re competent, then a firearm is a valuable, time-tested deterrent,” says Tom Smith. He goes on to reference the case of Todd Orr, who was famously mauled twice by the same bear here back in 2016. Despite employing the spray, the bear still managed to attack Orr, then later stalked and attacked him again. “Bears accurately shot don’t have that option,” says Smith. “Game over.”

"So what’s the conclusion here? To me, this isn’t an argument for or against guns or for or against bear spray. It’s an argument that, despite the presence of deterrents, dealing with an aggressive bear encounter does not involve any sure outcomes. Rather than beginning and ending the conversation with a false statement about bear spray’s efficacy, we should instead acknowledge that recreating safely in bear country requires training and knowledge—not dogma."
  • 8 2
 @Dangerous-Dan: I thought 300kg's was the weight of the average American??
  • 6 1
 @curendero: Clever putting it in Kilos - they'll never know what you're talking about.
  • 10 2
 @ratedgg13: Does imperial system stupidity explain why a bunch of outdoor experts are riding with 9 and 10 mm, pretending it's going to stop a Grizzly?

I've seen that shit fail to stop (or even seriously wound) a pit bull. Does any country have gun nuts as superior and silly as the US?
  • 6 0
 @TheRamma: Yeah... I didn't want to wade into that one too much but as someone who worked in Canada's park system doing wildlife management I can confidently say that anyone thinking they can stop a grizzly with a 9mm will need divine intervention. If anything shooting them with something like that will just make them mad. But hey, someone has to get all those darwin awards!
  • 4 0
 Glock 29/ 10mm with copperheads or FMJs....it'll annoy a grizzly, at least!
  • 3 1
 @stealthpenguin: Glock 29 for sure w/ copperheads or FMJ high velocity...and maybe change out the guide sprng to 20lbs for recoil....stock springs are ok.
  • 3 2
 @ratedgg13 @TheRamma:

very cute. First of all, kg are a measure of mass, not weight. It would be 2950 Newtons. Or maybe just a touch under 50 stone.

Also, US customary units predate the Imperial units, since Imperial Units were established in 1824 and by then we had already told the crown to Sod Off! Not to mention that a US surveyor's foot is different from a US standard foot...

I am well aware that most of the time bears and wild cats will run away from humans, but once in a while they don't. If I was traveling in Grizzly or Kodiak or Polar Bear country I would have a larger caliber rifle if possible. Maybe a .300 Wby Mag. Yes, you can carry a rifle on a bike. I have done it many times, mostly hunting deer.
  • 1 0
 Chest mount
  • 2 2
 @drivereight: A purse glock? Are you riding in Grizzly country? I hope you're not carrying a subcompact gun and thinking any kind of slug is going to reliably stop a Grizzly. You've managed to get less power than a full-sized gun, with less accuracy than a lower caliber/larger frame. I have a similar gun (subcompact in .357 sig), it's a major tradeoff to get something with that power in subcompact size. Both in terms of ballistics and accuracy, particular for follow up shots. Can easily outperform it with my full size 40, 9. Get more power and still easier to handle out of my .357 mag. Hope you're practicing a lot with that gun if your safety depends on it. Big reason 10mm failed was that it was hard to handle even in a large frame.

I'd rather spray and pray +p+ 9mm out of a longer barrel or go for a few shots on a big ass 44 mag/.454. I'm larping either way, still don't know I could stop a charging Grizzly with either of those.
  • 2 2
 @Dangerous-Dan: yeah, I don't judge anyone for actually taking their safety seriously. Carry a long gun.I was specifically responding to the people who were saying "har har, bear spray isn't reliable" then telling us they carry subcompact guns in chest mounts, like that's a safe and reliable way to deter big bears.
  • 2 0
 @drivereight: a Buffalo load in a 10mm will do more than annoy a Griz.
  • 1 1
 Obviously it's the Underwear Gun situation. Maybe a Checkhov?
  • 1 0
 @TheRamma: 20" Shotgun with slugs....
  • 2 0
 @curendero: We hike with that and shotgun slugs are used frequently by fish and game officials. I was fortunate to have a .458 mag passed down to me. Pretty sure that would take a grizzly's head off but good luck riding with it.
  • 1 1
 @TheRamma: @ratedgg13: I remembered this one...
www.americanhunter.org/articles/2016/8/10/alaska-outfitter-defends-fishermen-from-raging-grizzly-with-9mm-pistol

But found another study too, 3 Grizzlies and 9's. "We have found four cases where 9 mm pistols were used to defend against bears. All were successful."

www.ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/#axzz6Nm9dM8CH

Does that mean they cherry picked the 3-4 times it worked to fend off a bear? IDK? But they weren't pretending...

Obviously smaller caliber handguns are a compromise to what your willing to carry compared to the where, when and why your carrying it. (personally, an outfitter without a long gun near by would not get my business) What most people would be willing to mountain bike or run with is not what most people would hike with. (same goes for Bear Spray, some of those cans are HUGE)

Life is about compromise, some people might not venture outdoors without a bear proof suit and a flame thrower. Some just pack a multi tool that doesn't even have a blade on it. Pick your poison...
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 @Mazdamia: If you go through the citing resource abstracts the only material that actually corroborates their research is "their own research" that is sited along with others various bear studies that DO NOT make the same claims they are.

Then if you go look at the other Outside article it's very obvious the data they used to form their opinions are not apples to apples at all. The firearms were all aggressive bear encounters VS the bear spray was a hodgepodge including when Wildlife/Fish and Game? actively went out and sprayed bears over and over as a way to train the bears to stay away from certain area's. Obviously a bear who's attacking you and getting sprayed is not the same as you getting up close enough to a bear and spraying it.

I'm not saying bear spray doesn't work, etc. Just saying I don't see any "slam dunk" evidence one way or the other in those two links?
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 @stiingya: not sure that you're understanding what I'm saying. Carrying a hand gun in Grizzly country isn't dumb. Carrying a SHORT-BARRELED, CCW oriented 10mm glock in a chest holder and pretending like it's excellent planning is just f*cking kidding yourself. As a gun owner and person with decent experience hunting, you are larping at that point. Not a compromise, that Glock was expensive. It's a choice, and a dumb one.

The links you've posted don't always say the model of hand gun, but the ones that do (AFAIK) were all full sized. Additionally, every article about the guide who killed a bear with 9mm has a number of people saying how professionally irresponsible that dude was for carrying an inappropriate gun. Dude killed a Grizzly in his backyard with a pocket knife years ago, doesn't mean it's an intelligent decision. Not any harder to carry an appropriate full-sized gun then to play bear commando with a 10mm carry piece on your chest.
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 @TheRamma: yes boi! Can't agree enough!!! Having a round that "could" stop a bear and having a piece that will hit said bear are two entirely different things. No one would argue against the 10mm's stopping power (I'd hope). However, as I mentioned above, if you can't hit shit with your weapon until the bear is close enough to shove it up your ass you, like your gun, are just making noise. Besides, a full-sized Glock 20 on a chesty isn't a big deal.

And why the hell are we still having to address the 9mm angle. If your saying +p+ jhp yadda yadda all I'm hearing is you need to reconsider your caliber choice.

Anyway as previously stated, keep up the good work.
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 Haha this conversation devolved from what is the best thing to carry in bear country on a mountain bike. I think gorgeousbeaubaston said it best when he said short of having an a10 warthog performing cas you’re compromising in the backcountry. The point most of us can agree on is there’s acceptable risk to everything it’s up to the person to decide where the line is. You can eliminate risk from bear spray to a firearm to just about any combination of offensive weapons. Regardless of all that I think the thing that makes me the happiest is the supportive discussion about the only real mm. A 10mm.
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 @stealthpenguin: .50 Desert Eagle might work...
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 @stiingya: For non cherry-picked data, try this article and the peer-reviewed journal article it references
www.outsideonline.com/1899301/shoot-or-spray-best-way-stop-charging-bear
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 @TheRamma: @TheRamma: I'm not sure "you" understand what your saying... I never talked about excellent planning and I never promoted or recomended a specific carry option for Grizzlies other than saying I'd carry a gun AND spray replying to someone else.

Maybe you don't remember when you said, "...bunch of outdoor experts are riding with 9 and 10 mm, pretending it's going to stop a Grizzly?...". I merely linked to evidence that shows in fact 9mm handguns have stopped and killed Grizzlies. I'm not arguing that larger calibers are more effective. Duh...

Now your saying they had to be a full sized 9mm handguns. But... even if you didn't READ the article there was a nice big picture showing the guide used a SHORT-BARRELED, CCW oriented SW 9mm. It wasn't the extra 8-12% FPS from the barrel length. It was using the right load and hitting his shots.

We agree a guide protecting others was irresponsible to rely on it nomatter how experianced he was. But you are wrong to say it's "pretend".

If your riding in/around Jct. your not in Grizzly country either. NM or CO if you show up on your bike at a trail head with a 20" shotgun with slugs VS me showing up not visibly armed nor in any way encumbured by a long gun I can guarantee which one of us people will think are LARPing and playing commando...
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 @Ironmonsoon602: Hickock45 hits just fine with his G29. Yes he's a big guy with big hands, but it can be done and he's not the only one! I aint saying not to use a G20 or even a G40 if that floats your boat.

In my late teens and 20's I hiked and biked a fair bit through Wyoming and the only firearm I had was a 22lr in my car. (I did have a wistle ) Currently I don't have a Grizzly problem where I ride, the one time I saw a Black Bear in NM he took off just as I realized what that furry "brown thing" was cause I mostly saw his "butt" and he must have been rolling in mud or been a blonde. I froze for a few seconds, but then got off my bike and walked quietly to see if I'd get a chance to see him again. Stupid, I know. But it was pretty cool.

If I was headed back to Wyoming I could see the logic of looking into a larger caliber. But I'd rather not increase frame size too much for on bike use personally. What I use now, I feel is great for what I'm using it for!
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 @ratedgg13: Seems to be the same guy coming up with the same conclusions when he's already been shown to not be comparing apples to apples. I'll have to read more on this article later but his earlier studies seemed to be flawed.

www.outsideonline.com/2401248/does-bear-spray-work

I'm not saying not to use bear spray. Just seems to be a common theme of people trying to prove guns don't work VS lots of data showing they do work. Again, I'd rather have both and never have to use either...
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 @stiingya: You're not following the desired narrative therefore you're wrong(sarc)
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 @stiingya: dude, calm down. I was mostly making fun of @stealthpenguin for pretending to be Bear Grills while carrying a gun straight out of Cagney and Lacey. Stand by it. Wrong gun for the purpose. And I own a remarkably similar gun. They're designed to be concealed, and make major trade-offs in kinetic energy, accuracy, and handling characteristics. Have you shot a gun like that?

As to all this weird stuff with bringing long rifles to Colorado trails (no Grizzlies in CO, so never said there was a need), or Youtube personalities putting up edited videos of how good they are, they don't really relate. Not even someone getting lucky and killing a relatively stationary Grizzly at close range with a 9. f*ck, Timothy Treadwell used to back them off with his voice. Doesn't make it a good plan. Go find me someone reputable who recommends a subcompact gun in Grizzly country. Would love to see the reasons.
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 @TheRamma: I’m gonna assume you tagged the wrong person cuz I said I carry a Glock 20. Not the 29. And honestly most of the time wish it was the 40. I can agree that a sub compact 10mm is.. well you said it kinder than I would.
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 @TheRamma: I'm calm? I assumed you either have a huge Cagney and Lacey fetish OR were talking shit to other posters you can't even remember now...

I'm aware of the trade-offs, (compromises, we already went over this) People don't even want to wear camelbaks these days, how many do you think want to carry large caliber full size handgun on their chest while mountain biking? ( 3 of you in this thread I guess? Do you even Chestcannon Bra? Or just pretend to do it on the interwebs?)

Hickock45 is a pretty trusted low BS individual who clearly demonstrates the gun can be shot accurately without any cut scenes by a 70 year old.

Funny though, G29 is SO "subcompact" they had to make a new version so the average person could even get their hand around the grip... With a +1 it's the same size as a 19/23 but still wider and heavier. Yeah, total purse gun. Is it harder to shoot more accurately compared to a G20? Yes, no argument.

I'm not riding in Grizzly country, I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't carry if they are.
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 I’ve spent a lot of time in the back country in south east Alaska. I had a bell on my dog and thought I was ok. I went to a bar one night and got ripped a new one by a local for not having a gun! He scared me. I bought a 12 gauge! We spent 20 days in glacier bay and no Guns are aloud there and we brought a flare pistol. Hitting a bear with a burning piece of phosphorus might turn them around. Enter the woods, enter the food chain! I loved it. @stealthpenguin:
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 Does anyone know if his bike’s okay?
  • 33 0
 I heared some big ass grizzly bear was spotted riding on it.
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 @cvoc: Must be preparing for a career in the circus.
  • 6 0
 Its now the Griz Donut
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 My heart goes out to the mountain biker. Hope you heal quickly and are back on the trails this summer. My thoughts also go out to your family, as they deal with the trauma of knowing what you just went through.
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 I've nearly finished all the comments and yours is the first I've seen that attempts to comfort or show emotional support for the rider.
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 Yeah, comments are disgusting! Hope he gets better in the near future and doesn't lose his desire for mountain biking!
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 Goes to the hospital for a Grizzly attack, dies of Covid. Hospital gets paid, family loses Grandpa.
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 I wouldn't be surprised.
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 and yet another Covid-19 death. When will this pandemic end?
  • 2 0
 Hospital gets paid...with Grandpa's tax money
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 The animals are taking over again. It has begun.
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 Planet is healing...
  • 6 0
 The plants are coming for us too, and don't get me started on what the Kingdom Fungi has in store....
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 I encountered a mountain lion in Sycamore Canyon north of malibu many years ago .
I was riding in soft dirt almost silently . Suddenly a huge Mountain lion jumped out of the brush with his back to me . At first he didn’t notice i was there but then got a whiff of my scent , turned around and hissed and growled .
I nearly passed out , I remembered to make my self as tall as possible and continue riding toward the lion . He jumped back
in the bushes and ran up the slope .
An encounter like that makes you realize just who is the boss in the wild .
These animals are incredibly beautiful up close and terrifying all at the same time .
  • 5 2
 I would have jumped off my bike and made sweet love to that mountain momma.
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 Kinda like me when riding in Sullivan Canyon in PP. Ran into AC Cowling and Robert Kardashian in office attire and briefcase in the middle of nowhere. I guess they just decided to go for a hike while figuring how to defend their buddy. The day after the OJ chase. whooo!
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 «Bear attack leaves family in financial ruin»

-Your health care system is beyond FU.
Comparing an american friend with the same profession’s total spending on health insurance, pension fund, university loan, university fund for the kids++ my 49% income tax actually came out favourably by 10%. That’s 10% of your income spent on white collar workers doing unnecessary administering and beriching themselves doing unnecessary unfruitful work. If you vote with your wallet, you should vote for a fair and efficient free public health care system
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 The sad thing is that you don't even need crazy taxes to finance a real healthcare system. Our system isn't perfect, but it does it's job, and you know what you're gonna get. The American system is hugely convoluted, with layer upon layer of private and government bureaucracy. Hugely wasteful, and while it may be convenient for the rich, it absolutely destroys the poor.

A lot of people seem to think we get taxed to hell up here in Canada, when in reality, people earning between approximately 40-50K get taxed 7% LESS.

Sure, we get taxed a bit more on goods and services, (depending on the province of course) but that's discretionary spending that citizens have freedom over.

"U.S. federal income tax brackets range from 10% to 37% for individuals. In Canada, the range is 15% to 33%. In the U.S., the lowest tax bracket for the tax year ending 2019 is 10% for an individual earning $9,700 and jumps to 22% for those earning $39,476. The corresponding bottom Canadian bracket stays at 15% until $47,630. This is the bulk of the reason that lower-income Canadians are often better off than their American counterparts."

www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0411/do-canadians-really-pay-more-taxes-than-americans.aspx
Article sources: IRS and CRA websites
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 @alreadyupsidedown:
Unfortunately, America can't seem to realize it saves money, plus they have a both rational and irrational fear of government, the irony, is they've let their whole system fall apart and our practically run by corporations and the wealthy. I say that having been raised in a state where a certain member of the gov is trying to cease stocking of a native fish species because of a multi million dollar "donation" and in a state where ski resorts are shuttered almost every year because injury lawyers can and will sue any private residence or business if someone is injured on the premises, regardless of waivers and such. Why? because the government makes its decisions based after the highest bidder and our ma and pop ski resorts can't compete with lawyers. If America tried to get a healthcare system, or if a state did, (as they are the ones who are supposed to be in charge of such), they would find heaps of money convincing them otherwise, while the public condemned the healthcare as too expensive and to controlling.
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 MAKE NOISE Bear bells fit perfectly on your bars
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 Or just get a loud-ass hub
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 studies have shown that bear bells do nothing to alert or deter bears. They just make you the most annoying person on the trail.
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 @whitebirdfeathers: big difference between "studies have provided inconclusive results towards the efficacy of bear bells" and "studies show it doesn't do shit".
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 @whitebirdfeathers: source please
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 I know everyone in bear country knows this already but anyways

Montana Grizzly Bear Notice:

In light of the rising frequency of human/grizzly bear
conflicts, the Montana Department of Fish and Game
is advising hikers, hunters, and fishermen to take extra
precautions and keep alert for bears while in the field.
We advise that outdoorsmen wear noisy little bells on
their clothing so as not to startle the bears that aren't
expecting them. We also advise outdoorsmen to carry
pepper spray with them in case of an encounter with a
bear.

It is also a good idea to watch out for fresh signs of bear
activity. Outdoorsmen should recognize the difference
between black bear and grizzly bear poop. Black bear poop
is smaller and contains a lot of berry seeds and squirrel fur.
Grizzly bear poop has little bells in it and smells like pepper
spray.
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 @cartoon: There is no source. Nothing works 100%...but making noise is a good idea regardless of what it is
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 @cartoon: I'll see if I can find it.
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 @cartoon: In a quick search I couldn't find the one I read before. I did find the following:

For years, conventional wisdom has advised people to make noise to avoid dangerous surprises while traveling in Alaska bear country. For those who choose not to talk, sing, clap or bang on a cook pot, that usually means wearing bear bells, a tried-and-true hiker's accessory. But do the bells really work, or work the way we think they do, a federal bear researcher asks. Though he emphasizes that it's too soon to draw any broad or definitive conclusions, Tom Smith of the U.S. Geological Survey's Alaska Science Center has tested a group of brown bears that seemed to pay bells no mind at all.

Over several days last fall, while doing other research about bear behavior along the coast of Katmai National Park, Smith hid in a blind near a well-traveled bear path and pulled on fishing line attached to a string of bells tied to an alder bush. Not one bear looked in the direction of the noise or even perked up its ears, Smith said.

TX: ''This doesn't mean bear bells don't work, '' he said. ''It just means the bears didn't respond the way we thought they would. Not one of them reacted to the bells at all. It's fascinating stuff.''

Smith said he first tinkled the bells lightly. The bears didn't respond. Then he yanked on the line, making a jangling noise ''almost as loud a fire alarm.'' Fifteen groups of one or more bears walked past. Not one flinched.

He didn't think the bears were deaf, but he wondered. So he snapped a pencil to mimic the sound of a twig breaking. The bears immediately turned and looked at the biologist's blind, about 150 feet away. A loud huff, mimicking the noise of another bear, elicited a similar response.
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 @rawrr: Carry a raw steak and chuck it at it then run like hell!!!
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 @rockdocjayhawk: loud-ass hubs are for teenagers
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 Always travel with a buddy in grizzly territory. Preferably one that runs slower than you.
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 Making noise doesn’t really work if the trail runs alongside a creek/river (especially during run-off).
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 Most people MTB to be at one with nature and love to see wildlife - even the stuff that can kill you.
Americans - "hey it might hurt us - let's shoot it with the biggest guns we can!"
Surprised they haven't tried shooting the corona virus yet.
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 Way to stereotype 330 million people! There is a lot more to the U.S. than guns.
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 Don’t act like you haven’t thought about stabbing COVID with your Bowie knife
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 @dodgerpuppy: yeah he forgot structural racism. Wtf?!
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 @friendlyfoe: yeah, there is that. Of course, you Canucks know something about that too, or have you forgotten the treatment of the First Nations peoples? I would venture to say anywhere the Europeans “settled” you will find institutional racism. We carried it with us everywhere we went.
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 @dodgerpuppy: We've got lots of our own problems. You just set that one up in a way that was tooo tempting lol.
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 @friendlyfoe: oh yeah, no worries. Besides, I couldn’t honestly disagree.
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 @dodgerpuppy: Such as ?
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 What?!! They have CNN in Australia too?
  • 2 1
 Idiot, guess you will let the bear eat you?
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 Trump said it a hoax, but hey what's 100,000 dead Americans and it's only May.....who wants to kick the bucket next? Can I have your mountain bike?
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 Always bear in mind
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 He obviously wasn't on an e-bike
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 e-bikes should come standard w/ a stun gun mounted to the bar.
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 @WasatchEnduro: Feck that, I want lazer beams!
  • 4 1
 Th bear probably heard the E-Bike motor kicking in...
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 @WasatchEnduro: dude, handlebar mounted lasers!!
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 @jonesy-1: that's next level....bear mode!
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 What difference would that have made?
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 Thankfully the scariest thing we have to deal with here in the UK are squirrels and the odd Deer if you are lucky. I don't think I would ride in woods if there were bears around, not a chance!
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 We have to deal with Doggers,Old Dears,Ramblers and most dangerous of all Strava Bores.
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 I've seen several bears, a mountain lion and accidentally ridden over rattlesnakes. Yet have only been bitten by some lady's "friendly" dog.
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 We have to deal with boar apocalypse. They are a lot, they dig holes in the worst places (out of blind corners, typically) and they are tough as nails.
  • 3 0
 @Davec85: clearly you've never ridden into a badger during a night ride
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 But we do have chavs on tescos bikes.
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 @shawnca7: I'de carry a gun for the ankle biting dogs!... bitten one too many times. i don't get it, my dogs don't bite, even when they should!
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 You are so lucky! We have to deal with MAGA!
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 @drivereight: MAGA bitch! Lots of us in here.
  • 9 2
 Watch the movie 'Backcountry' and then come back here to comment. Bears scare the shit out of me after that flick.
  • 26 1
 I watched Brokeback Mountain , cowboys scare the shit out of me !
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 @Matt115lamb: I juss cant quit chew........
  • 8 0
 'Its just a flesh wound!'
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 hope you get well soon!!! c'mon guys!!!
  • 6 0
 We all do of course my man we're all mountain bikers, pinkbike is just wordplay dude
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 I got used to riding with bells all the time, unfortunately more for the people in California who like to complain on their once a year hike... even started wearing the bell at home so my wife knows when I'm coming to bed, (don't want to startle the "bear")
  • 9 2
 Should have offered him a cold bear
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 Stay safe out there guys. In the era of not wearing backpacks I fear most dont carry bear spray...lots of encounters up here as of late - be safe
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 Last fall I was night riding solo and without my dog and kept imagining a cougar attacking me, however a few corners later a skunk sprayed me and then a pack of coyotes followed me back to civilization. My imagination was probably the biggest threat but this poor fella ...sheeesh - heal up!
  • 1 0
 @rideonjon: coywolfs are no joke. They walk up and down the middle of my road. I live in a neighborhood, next to a interstate, half a mile from Lowe’s Home Improvement!
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 Lots of cougars been spotted in the suburbs recently.

Once the dodgy bars reopen downtown I’m guessing they’ll all be back on the prowl there.
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 @rideonjon: Odds are extremely high that she ran. Coyotes don't attack if you are dominant.
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 @rrolly: Quite possible,but at the end of the day they were brazen enough to attack a full grown human in broad daylight.
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 @rideonjon: Coyotes are smart. They often will be around people and will even test what they can get away with. Bottom line, be dominant and you won't have a problem with them.
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 @rrolly: I've never had a problem with coyotes and they are everywhere around here.I'm just saying they can be very brave and don't judge them on size,where there is one there are twenty.They lure dogs into the wood and devour them.
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 Yeah. Stay safe out there. We never know when we might
Come up on wildlife (bobcats, bear, snakes,etc).
Curious, What are you riders taking with you just in case you run into wildlife on the trail?
Hope all is well with him
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 A Timber Bell in hopes it prevents the surprise part.
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 Nothing in NC, but I carried bear spray hiking, biking, and fishing around Yellowstone.
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 @ICKYBOD: dinner bells.
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 We killed off all our dangerous wildlife centuries ago.
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 @dodgerpuppy: How many people have been killed or gone missing on the Appalachian trail?
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 @jaycubzz: maybe so. but I can't bring myself to carry a bunch of gear just in case.
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 @stiingya: Because of bears...or hillbillies? Wink
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 @km79: True, but they keep making noises about reintroducing wolves - might see some missing or savaged MTBers over here too! Big Grin

Mind you, I see plenty of dangerous 'wildlife' in some of our urban areas! Wink
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 @mybaben: Zombie Hillbillies of course... Smile It was people, not bears that are the issue in "most" of the lower 48.

Actually, i gotta admit that with all the stories, articles, etc. I thought there was a lot more instances of murder/violence on the AP trail. I saw only 11 murders since they started tracking it in the 70's. (course 11 is kinda scary, but I guess the trail goes through 14 states so that's a lotta trail...)
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 I carry a knife, and coming from NZ I think that’s overkill. Never seen anything but prints on the trails but a bobcat, coyotes and a two foot long snake in the subdivision at night.
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 @stiingya: None due to wild animals that I know of, but I could be wrong. I only go armed when going into the back country alone. I’ve never had any issues, but definitely run into some weird and unfriendly people.
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 @mybaben: I’ve had bigger issues out west, including being shot at fishing on the Klamath River. Compared to rural NorCal and Southern OR, hillbillies are normally pretty chill.
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 @stiingya: I’ve ran into some strange folks deep in Pisgah
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 @leadsledpaintrain: Oh, so that was you?

Seriously, yes, I have run into strange ones, but normally not threatening. Of course, I’ve spent a lot of time in backwoods all over the south, so not much really surprises me anymore here.
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 @dodgerpuppy: Got hooted at (like owl hoot) by some dude in camo about fifteen feet up a tree recently. He didn’t say anything, even when I saw him and said hi he just hooted. Was way out on the middle of Old Butt. That was kinda unnerving haha, definitely kept an eye over my shoulder the rest of the hike.
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 @leadsledpaintrain: he was probably hunting. Had a guy hunting bear over a well used trail in the Grandfather ranger district of Pisgah (Wilson Creek area). He got pissed at us for riding and disrupting his hunt. Happens a lot with lazy hunters that don’t want to hike far, so they set up on trails not far from the road a lot of times.
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 @dodgerpuppy: He got pissed at you for disturbing his Hunting ?
Fk him. He was disturbing your ride .
I piss off hunters where i live by making a ton of noise to scare off the animals . Arrogant hunters believe they have more rights than you to be there . They DONT.
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 @stiingya: LOL.
That is interesting, and good!
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 @dodgerpuppy: Yeah i can believe that!
  • 5 0
 From Fox (Forest) News: Bear Bravely Defends Home Against Invader. Liberals attack the right to arm bears.
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 Of course the anti-mountain biking, pro-wilderness designation crowd are using this incident as an excuse to further advance their biking ban agenda. If a hiker was attacked would they push to ban hikers? No. They just want the trails all to themselves and this is their ammunition.
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 Thank goodness we have GoFund me. Always bums me out seeing the need for fundraisers in situations where the hospital should have your back. I take great solace knowing that if I wreak myself, getting patched up won't financially ruin myself or my family.

Honestly not sure how so many American cyclists stomach the risk? How do you choose between a large monthly health insurance payment, or a hefty deductible? I'm honestly curious and not trying to start a flame war. My basic understanding is that work-provided group medical plans are the key? Must be challenging for contractors and retirees.

With middle income people in the US and Canada paying very similar tax rates, it's a shame the US government can't roll such a vital service into that.
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flag chasejj (May 28, 2020 at 13:59) (Below Threshold)
 Uhhhh… because we protect all you deadbeats with our Military. As a great man once said. If there was anything in Canada we wanted we make it a state in 10 minutes.
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 @chasejj:

Ah right. I suppose responses like this put things into perspective.

Just to play along- the last time the US attacked Canada, they lost.

But real talk, we don’t need protecting. If the USA can’t be bothered to invade, why would any other country?
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 @alreadyupsidedown: Because they know they'd be destroyed by US dummy.
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 @chasejj:

Uh.. You talk like that in front of your wife and children?

I was looking for insight, not insults.
  • 2 2
 @alreadyupsidedown: Dummy is a sign of affection. Nuance gets lost on the PB comment section.
  • 2 0
 @chasejj: Fair enough. It's a limited medium.
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 @alreadyupsidedown: You can't argue with idiots you just have to let them be wrong.
  • 5 0
 "Grin and bear it" said the man, following the attack
  • 5 0
 Stay strapped or get clapped.
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 Buddy and I surprised a mother cougar and her cub last summer while riding early in the morning. Luckily cub went up a tree and mom backed off, as did we in a hurry. Facking terrifying!
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 Coming back from the conservation area in anmore just before dusk I saw a cougar cross the road about 50-100 metres ahead of me right by the school. Thing would have easily been 7 feet on its hind legs, probably bigger. Terrifying is right.
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 Ah yes its the rider's fault for surprising the bear lol. Pretty sure the rider was in fact, also surprised!

Honestly these things are rare but they happen and it's just what it is. I always carry bear spray (there's more than bears, too) for peace of mind
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 This past weekend a buddy sent me 2 pics and a 30sec video, taken from inside his truck, of a very healthy (ie: big AF) griz casually walking the highway shoulder 5km from town. My first response was I'm happy I wasn't road biking past it.
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 Aside from the jokes, if you ride in bear country or even out on any trails, just make a habit of making some noise to warn others and wildlife that you're there or coming around. Lately, there's been talk about that in our local trail systems with hikers and bikers sharing the same trails. I'm sure if enough noise is made, the bears and other wildlife would try to avoid humans as much as possible. For hikers and fellow riders on the trails, the noise will provide a way to know that you're in front or behind them.
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 Was this an average mauling, a mild mauling, or an extra-zesty one?
I'm sorry but I just could not ride somewhere like that unless I WAS bearing arms.
Heal up quick, Mtb Cowboy.
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 USE BELLS OR SOMETHING. bears will HEAR IT AND BE LIKE OOH SOMETHING THIS WAY TRAVELS I AM NOW AWARE OF A MOVING NOISE THING THAT IS BECOMING CLOSER SO NOW I WILL NOT BE SCARED IF I SEE THE MOVING THING BECAUSE I COULD HEAR IT COMING
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 If you stay in a part of the world that has dangerous anamls then that's just the price of doing business. I was nearly stabed to death by a junkie in Glasgow doing a food dilivery on my bike but your not doing an article on that now are you I'm just saying.....
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 If I rode frequently in Idaho/Wyoming/Montana, I'd get a bell along with that bear spray.
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 We have 4 cans of bear spray at our back door, one custom fit into a water bottle to fit on the bike. Never leave home without it.
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 How can you identify black bear shit? Berries.
How can you identify grizzly shit? Full of bear bells and smells spicy.
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 Big Sky is quite a place. Congrats on your survival bro
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 Thank f*ck we only have koala “bears”...though we do have drop bears...
m.youtube.com/watch?v=6RzrUOCWjtw
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 That bear was obviously not practicing social distancing guidelines. Idiot
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 Any experience on here from European perspective, where you can’t use bear spray or other weapons as it’s illegal to carry.

Just interested as will be riding in areas with bears, etc in the Balkans next year.
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 Heartbreaking to see a community reduced to asking strangers for help for what is a public service in almost every other high income country.
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 Unbearable
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 Now we gotta test the bear for Corona...
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 Guy gets mauled.. PB simpletons crack jokes about it...
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 PB is comment first then read article.
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 I've only found one person giving condolences.
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 We've solved that centuries ago here. Just kill all the bears. I don't think that's better in the greater scheme of things...
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 The Bear Necessities of Life............A Bike.
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 Had a visit to Big Sky. Came back from dinner and there was a Bear outside my cabin. Get well soon.
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 These animals are my worst nightmare when riding out west. Hope he recovers.
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 Im gonna put some bear mace in my bottle cage next time I shred Montana.
  • 1 0
 I spent three years hiking and riding in California and the only bears I ever saw were in The Castro.
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 Suffer from COVID or suffer from the bear's wrath. Either way, you can die from one or the other or live through it.
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 And some people want to bring Grizzlies back to California.
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 That'll be fantastic to thin out the crowds in the Sierras!
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 @drivereight: Just drive them to downtown SF,Oakland and LA. Lots of them should get some work done.
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 I feel like Big Sky has a lot of bear attacks. Every few years there is one.
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 Thank God for American health care. Where you pay or die.
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 I wonder how he got out alive? How did he manage to get out of that situation? Play dead? Does that technique still work?
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 2020:
Bears 1
Humans 0
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 Nah, my Dad's best friend killed one last week. I know because he was in such a hurry to go help him carry it out of the hills that he ran over one of my carbon wheels in the process.
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 Bear Valley, my first Marin mountain bike.
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 Also, when you visit places named Bear Valley, Grizzly Peak, Cougar Tavern, you have already been warned.
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 @endlessblockades: Couger Tavern, tell me more.
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 @endlessblockades: Cougar Tavern LOL
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 Worst nightmare
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 Going out mountain biking sounds desirable. Going out by getting attacked by a bear... a nightmare.
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 The right to bear arms.
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 Always take 1 faster rider with you when biking in the wilderness.
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 I prefer to take along at least one person slower than me, but that can be really hard to find.
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 I was just in Big Sky 2 years ago. I rode with bear spray tho
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 The dangers of Mountain Biking smh What a crazy sport
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 That bear did not give a fuck about social distancing.
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 The bear wanted social distancing but the rider accidentally ignored it.
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 Grizzly: ¨Nom Nom Nom¨.
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 Hey Sheriff, leave that bear alone!
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 Does he have a go fund me?
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 Wow, That's an Un®eal thumbnail...
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 Please take down these comments Pinkbike
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 always carry never leave home without one and i never ride where i cant carry !
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 No carrying where I live, but i feel like I gotta get some bear spray
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