Mountain Biker Stabbed by Hiker After Right of Way Dispute

Mar 24, 2021
by James Smurthwaite  
Bellingham stabbing car park
The parking lot on Y Road where the hikers were interviewed. Photo: Google Maps.

A mountain biker in Bellingham was stabbed after a right of way dispute on the Stewart Mountain Trail in Bellingham.

A post on the Whatcom County Sheriff Office Facebook Page reports that deputies were called to a trailhead car park in the 3500 block of Y Road on the afternoon of March 6 after a report of a stabbing with several parties involved.

A group of hikers had been hiking down the multi-use, bi-directional trail when they encountered a mountain biker going up the trail. It appears that neither party was willing to yield and an argument broke out over who had right of way. The Sheriff's report contains two separate versions of what happened next, one from the 69-year-old hiker named Dake Traphagen and the other from the unnamed 66-year-old mountain biker.

Traphagen was interviewed at the trailhead and claims that the mountain biker attacked him with his bike after the disagreement and they fell to the ground. Traphagen then claims that during the altercation he had pulled out a pocket knife and stabbed the mountain biker in self-defense to get him off.

The mountain biker was interviewed a few days later however and he stated that he had been riding uphill when he encountered the group of hikers and requested that they move aside. He indicated that he was trying to negotiate a technical section that had exposed tree roots and was clipped into his bike. A male in the group grabbed his handlebars, causing him to lose balance. He and the bike tumbled onto the hiker and became tangled up as the victim was still clipped into the bike. The hiker began hitting him and everyone was yelling for him to get off of the man. He then noticed that it wasn’t hitting, but that the hiker had a knife and was stabbing him in the arm and the leg.

The mountain biker left the scene after the altercation and 911 was called by the hikers. The mountain biker called an ambulance later that day with stab wounds and loss of blood. He was first transported to the local hospital then airlifted to Harborview Medical Center in Seattle due to the severity of his injuries. The final extent of his injuries are not currently known.

After two weeks of investigation by the local Police, Mr Traphagen turned himself in to the Sheriff’s Office yesterday and was booked in the Whatcom County Jail for first-degree assault and possession of a dangerous weapon (the knife he used in the incident was a spring blade knife which is not legal to possess in this state).

We wish a quick recovery to the mountain biker involved in this horrific incident. We will update this story as more news comes in.

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  • 986 23
 All of this could have been avoided if he only used flat pedals!
  • 451 1
 If he used chromags he would've been booked for stabbing the hiker though.
  • 102 2
 @makkelijk: he would have been arrested for possessing a dagga in the state of Washington
  • 31 1
 $5 says he was listening to Wu-Tang.
  • 22 1
 Stay strapped or get sliced?
  • 23 0
 @bbc611: I that might have left a pretty deep scarab
  • 296 19
 All of this could have been avoided if both parties were carrying guns. More guns in society would have defused this whole situation.
  • 8 0
 @makkelijk: The Daggas are very stabby.
  • 76 0
 "Airlifted to Harborview," for those unfamiliar with the Puget Sound our excellent multi-state regional trauma center, means this man was at significant risk of death. Glad no one was senselessly killed
  • 8 1
 Flat pedal can be dangerous weapons. Probably they could be forbidden in some places.
  • 9 1
 @makkelijk: Laughs in twenty6 pedal pins.
  • 14 0
 He had more cuts than my man Chuck Chillout.
  • 45 2
 Got stabbed doing what he loved - yelling that he had the right of way.
  • 4 1
 @makkelijk: there called Daggas for a reason!!!
  • 32 1
 Did the hiker Slash the rider during their Trek or just Stab?
  • 22 1
 @cypher74: In Scotland 60 year olds just bash each other with empty buckfast bottles!
  • 2 0
 Or his guitars instead of a blade

m.facebook.com/dake.traphagen
  • 26 3
 @Two-planker: Only way to stop a badguy with a switchblade is for good guys to have switchblades - time to legalize switchblades!
  • 7 16
flag NWBasser (Mar 24, 2021 at 12:08) (Below Threshold)
 Having trouble getting clipped/unclipped? What a crock. That shouldn't have anything to do with it if you know your clipless pedals.
  • 2 0
 @manofmanymilkcrates: -you have to yell that in a Christopher Walken voice " they're called Daggas for a reason"
  • 9 3
 totally agree, what nonsense 'make way, I'm clipped in'
  • 2 4
 @Two-planker: this is a very dynamic situation that you cannot draw parellels to.
  • 19 21
 @brentkratz: used to carry one on rides But the last few years I've carried a non assisted knife that opens just as quickly and smoothly. Spring assisted knives are legal in most states and I believe they serve a great purpose to those with limited dexterity. Noone should be limited in what tools they choose to carry on their person.
  • 3 0
 good ole' debate of flats vs.clips? what is faster?
  • 7 0
 Real question (and explanation) is; was he on an ebike? Smile
  • 12 16
flag Clarkeh (Mar 25, 2021 at 3:55) (Below Threshold)
 @roadrunner1212: Angry people + easy access to guns = pretty typical American situation
  • 15 0
 When did mountain bikers forget how to run pedestrians over?
  • 5 0
 @brentkratz: Heard the guy was on a Pivot so when the bike fell on the hiker it was Switchblade vs. switchblade.
  • 2 3
 @brentkratz: and the only way to stop a crack head is to do crack! LEGALIZE CRACK AND WE'LL ALL BE SAFE.
  • 2 10
flag bigbird (Mar 30, 2021 at 12:01) (Below Threshold)
 @Clarkeh: no. Libertard hiker with an attitude caused this. Gun owner would be able to protect themselves from a threat.
  • 2 1
 @Two-planker: A real benefit might have been that a couple of more idiots were removed from the gene pool.
  • 6 0
 @bigbird: there was no threat you idiot. It was two grown as men acting like children. Why would you need a gun in that situation?!?!??!
  • 1 0
 Flat pedals are dangerous as well. Just ask my shins!
  • 3 0
 @Clarkeh: Exactly - Americans go for the gun way too fast.
  • 775 0
 Never bring a bike to a knife fight.
  • 376 2
 I see you've played knifey - bikey before
  • 11 6
 Comment of the day ! LMFAO
  • 31 1
 Unless it’s a Dreadnought
  • 18 5
 @lacuna: You magnificent bastard, have an upvote
  • 2 3
 @lacuna: you win!
  • 92 0
 Unless it's a Switchblade.
  • 35 0
 @dirty505: Or a Stab.
  • 7 0
 @lacuna leave dangerholm out of this
  • 2 2
 You sir are a genius!
  • 6 0
 but bikes are being marketed as weapons these days
  • 34 0
 @chakaping: Or a Scalpel
  • 17 0
 Maybe an uzzi?
  • 6 0
 Gotta pack the gat
  • 10 0
 @Rageingdh: Oh yes! But failing that, possibly a Bullit.
  • 5 0
 Should have been on a Tazer
  • 14 0
 Unless it's a Pole, in which case just snap off a chainstay and you're good to go.
  • 1 1
 @Dmonz: I save the gat for date night.
  • 1 1
 Maybe .. comment of the year!
  • 2 0
 Why not both?
  • 1 0
 @taprider:
If you own a TREK it is a weapon in PORTLAND because locals need something else to RIOT over and burn and destroy their city.

Good example of crying potflanders shown here.

www.theverge.com/2020/6/12/21284263/bicycle-police-brutality-protest-black-lives-matter-trek-fuji
  • 563 1
 If someone is lying on you entangled in his mountainbike, stabbing them is always the correct way of making sure they get out. Also works when someone is in a car wreck after the crash. Stab them out.
  • 298 88
 COVID didn't kill them so now they're trying to kill each other. LOL fucking boomers.
  • 150 111
 Something stinks. If I was attacked/stabbed on a trail I would’ve called the cops immediately. Only reason to wait until your almost dead is because you’re hiding or guilty of something. Not saying that stabbing anyone was justified but I’m guessing all idiots involved here share the blame to one degree or another.
  • 144 3
 @Dornbox: Are you totally sure that if you were repeatedly stabbed, you'd stay at the scene and call the cops rather than get out of there? Not sure that's what the police would even advise.
  • 69 3
 @Dornbox: I can see you're a deep thinker.
  • 91 6
 @Dornbox: someone willing to break the law and carry an illegal knife is probably also willing to break the law and tell lies
  • 114 5
 I doubt either person told the whole truth.
  • 163 1
 60+year old people should have enough life-experience and mildness to behave properly
I cannot imagine my parents behaving this way. never.
  • 41 4
 @Dornbox: If it were possible to roll my eyes further back into my skull, I would.
  • 132 0
 @Dornbox: That was originally most people's assumption. The hiker immediately took to social media with an anti mountain bike tirade and his account of the incident, multitudes of people jumped on the bandwagon assuming he was telling the truth and sympathizing with his situation. After that all was quiet for a couple weeks and then they arrested the hiker. Supposedly someone has video of the whole incident. At this point based on the sheriff's decision to charge the hiker it seems the mountain biker is probably telling the truth.
  • 50 0
 @vhdh666: So very true. Something escalating to this degree isnt what I expect from 60yr olds who should definitely know better.

To be frank 20yr olds should know better too.
  • 49 2
 When in doubt...stab it out.
  • 150 5
 @vhdh666: If you'd ever worked in retail or the food service industry you'd know that this isn't true, the over 60's are the most entitled and rude group of people on the planet.
  • 2 3
 He gave him the stab of life.
  • 13 5
 When in doubt, stab it out!
  • 4 4
 @shami: Sounds like the other hikers also likely told police the truth about his attack, especially if there was video evidence.
  • 8 1
 @vhdh666: I agree, although I'd also reckon the reason it escalated to this point is because of the fact they were both around the same age and neither yielded the argument. Not thinking the assailant would've let much more out than a crotchety complaint had the biker been a 20/30 something?
  • 13 6
 @chakaping: No need to stay at the scene to make a call but waiting a while, "called an ambulance later that day with stab wounds and loss of blood", just seems sus. I'd be scarred, pissed, and all sorts of riled up and would want someone who's dangerous enough to stab another human in that situation removed from the street or trail ASAP.
  • 62 19
 @vhdh666: seems like people over 60 have an excellent track record of f*cking things up for the younger generations. I mean here in America they’ve basically ridden the gravy train to high income while completely screwing wage increases. College was affordable on a summer job and most could trip over a new job walking home from being laid off of one. Change my mind.
  • 22 0
 @vhdh666: How about your parents having sex? Just because you can't imagine it doen't mean it's impossible.
  • 43 9
 @mtmc99: You don't see the same 60+ year olds I do. This is exactly what I expect of these entitled snowflake Baby Boomers. Literally everything they accuse Millennials of is just them feeling bad about the man in the mirror.
  • 66 1
 @mtmc99: People have this idea that older people are supposed to be nice people. If you're an a$$hole at 20 you're likely to still be an a$$hole at 60 or 70 or beyond.
  • 20 0
 The next time my kids are fighting on a bike ride I am going to tell them
"Just stab it out girls, stab it out." Smile
  • 21 2
 @whitebirdfeathers: More like if you're an a*shole at 20 you're a much bigger a*shole at 60+.
  • 15 0
 @Dornbox: also according to witnesses the biker didn't have a phone so he couldn't call 911. Supposedly he asked the hikers to do it and they wouldn't so he drove himself home to cal 911
  • 16 9
 @usedbikestuff: Following your logic, you'll one day be 60 and f*cking things up for younger generations.. or do you not plan to live that long? Air must be really clear all the way up there on your high horse.
  • 8 5
 @mikealive: Agreed, a lot of blame for the boomers out there for people looking for someone to blame for their own decisions because they could never do anything wrong. Cost of living has gone up a lot though, but other parties responsible for that.
  • 4 0
 @shami: That makes sense. Apparently there's a lot more info out there on this than the article PB posted which makes it sound like there was a longer than what would be normal delay which was "things that make you go hmmmm". Regardless, the whole thing is nuts.
  • 12 0
 @shami: NO Phone???

STRAVA or it didn't happen!!!
  • 1 1
 @hellanorcal: you're totally right of course. And yes I can imagine my parents having sex. And yes, we even talk about it, well at least with my dad.

But I guess you understood what I wanted to say: that behaviour is too stupid and too embarrising to be true.
  • 3 2
 @mtmc99: well tbh, the most 20y olds I know behave way better and wouldn't even think of taking a knife like that on a ride. They don't even own knives like that
  • 1 0
 @mi-bike: agreed, but you can still use a bike computer to record without needing to ride with your phone.
  • 2 1
 @MarkF6: as a boomer I agree with you. Though to be fair younger people can be a*sholes too.
  • 2 3
 @PDXchip: ok boomer Smile
  • 8 25
flag SJP (Mar 24, 2021 at 14:22) (Below Threshold)
 @usedbikestuff: Sure.
1. Younger generations now have it much better than people over 60 did when they were growing up. It isn't even close. Better health care, better housing, better entertainment, better cars, better food, and certainly better mountain bikes, at any point in the income distribution.
2. The young are driving up college costs, not the old. If colleges didn't need to compete on amenities like nice dorms and fancy gyms, and could continue to put two roommates in a 6 foot by 12 foot room, with a bathroom down in the basement, things would be a lot cheaper. College costs are high because the young are willing to borrow to spend time at a nice 4-year resort, rather than scrimp and spend 4 years in more meager living conditions. Some of the increase comes from Baumol's cost disease, which is no particular generation's fault.
  • 12 13
 @SJP: " College costs are high because the young are willing to borrow to spend time at a nice 4-year resort, rather than scrimp and spend 4 years in more meager living conditions"

Yup, willing to borrow more for the cushier experience, just not willing to pay it back.......
  • 3 1
 @mikealive: 100% we are roasting the earth with plastics at an unbelievable rate.
  • 12 0
 @usedbikestuff: We're roasting the earth with plastics, absolutely. And are you proposing that is a problem chiefly due to boomers, or...? I don't follow.

And for sure man...plastics, unsustainable energy practices, rampant consumerism.. I suspect we actually share a lot of the same views, but framing your point as "it's the boomers fault" is finger pointing for the sake of claiming victimhood without any proposed solution. It's sort of lazy and unhelpful. *Everyone* is using plastics, that's not an age-specific practice. My 'boomer' grandfather was an electronic repair technician.. he fixed tvs when they went out, among other things. He kept appliances out of the landfill. What happens now when a tv breaks? It goes in the bin, and people buy a new one 99% of the time. So, ya know, the door is open for a bunch more unhelpful 'tHe MiLLeNiALs...' finger pointing there I suppose.

My original comment wasn't to liberate the 'boomers' from any blame, but rather to point out that 'people over 60' is an always evolving demographic. You'll be there one day, and your generation will be the ones in the hot seat for not fixing everything for the 20 years olds who know it all..
  • 16 1
 Pick a generation to vilify and be a dick about it.
  • 2 0
 @hellanorcal: dude, no, please, dear god no.
  • 4 1
 @mikealive: I think my main point was to really reflect more on the political stance of things these days. Lots of out of touch leaders making policy decisions in the senate or congress, remembering things incorrectly about a failed government take over, just the general state of that bs. I would hope diversity and shift in it to make this gen of boomers the last to have such widespread fear of change because their rosey childhoods are being taken away from their kids and grandkids.

Certainly there are wwii, greatest generation people who survive a world world and repaired and fixed everything because that life experience molded them that way. Boomers would be baby boomers right after that who engineered that repair ability and heightened consumerism during their leadership tenure of the 80’s , 90’s to today. So your point makes sense but sort of proves mine. Anyway, we all suck and are by far the worst creatures on the planet. Ticks are heroes by comparison to our planet trashing, environment melting ways
  • 3 1
 HMM, 17 downvotes and one upvote, but no one willing to make an argument. Come on, make an argument. 60+ers were in their 20s in the 1980s. What was better in the 1980s than now for people in their 20s? For your whole lives, you guys have been listening to politicians of both parties tell you everything is going downhill and it's the other team's fault, and it has been bullshit this whole time. Don't buy it. Compare a few aspects of life today with the 80s, and see what you end up with.
  • 2 1
 @SJP: ok, I'll bite. You opined on two things, the second of those being that "the young are driving up college costs, not the old" and that "college costs are high because the young are willing to borrow to spend time at a nice 4-year resort".

I bet that a lot of people disagree with this analysis and downvoted your reply specifically for that (and not your first point, that life now is better than in the 80's).
  • 3 0
 @mi-bike:
Interesting response. I thought that one was more obvious. People in their 60s have kids who are now mostly in their 30s and 40s. A small fraction of people have kids after they turn 42 (which would mean the kid is choosing colleges as the parent turns 60). How could people in their 60s be driving up college costs?
  • 1 0
 @vhdh666: I can...


which explains a lot about why I reduced my contact with them. No need to play knifey/bikey with them.
  • 1 1
 @DizzyNinja: I doubt that the pocket knife itself (or carrying it) was illegal. Introducing said pocket knife into the body of a fellow human is where we have a problem.
  • 1 0
 @mikealive: no @usedbikeatuff just wants things for free and handed to him.
  • 1 0
 @hellanorcal: Now I am going to have nighmares!! I hope your happy.
  • 324 0
 Everybody on this planet needs to CHILL THE F**K OUT

Just try and be nice to each other. Please. It's not hard. And if you can't do that, just take a deep breath and walk away.
  • 83 3
 Humans think they're so much smarter than animals yet they still kill each other over basically nothing. I have little hope.
  • 12 0
 @colincolin: sad, but true... still, disagree with that part about hope ;-)
  • 42 32
 @colincolin: we don't rule this planet because we're nice. We are an extremely aggressive species. I'm more surprised someone didn't get shot here, this being 'Murica and all... And you're a true piece of shit when you walk around on hiking trails in the woods with a spring blade knife. What the actual f...
  • 10 2
 @colincolin: but animals do this too Smile
  • 16 50
flag FastRiding (Mar 24, 2021 at 5:14) (Below Threshold)
 @SimbaandHiggins: we are on the verge of needing a Glock strapped to the chest in my trails
  • 55 63
flag SimbaandHiggins (Mar 24, 2021 at 5:35) (Below Threshold)
 @FastRiding: Why be a pussy? Get an AR-15 and WIN. It's the American way after all #stanground
  • 84 0
 Totally agree. Right or wrong, I find myself always yielding to hikers if they don't proactively and immediately step aside. Experienced (and non-lunatic) hikers know how to coexist with mountain bikers and don't perceive us as being a threat or out of place.

I can see how inexperienced hikers (and lunatics) view the speed at which we travel as being threatening and may view our bike as a "weapon" (much like a car can be a weapon if wielded irresponsibly). The truth is that an out of control mountain biker can certainly do more damage than a hiker who can't stay on their feet (assuming intent or weapons aren't involved).

I'm sure not everyone will agree, but we shouldn't be thinking about who's entitled to right of way, but we should rather be thinking of ourselves as stewards of the trail and ambassadors to the sport. Hikers and bikers coexisting is good for us all.
  • 5 0
 @VlajiciStrapec: well I disagree with your disagreement with that part about hope ;-)
  • 18 15
 @SimbaandHiggins: Well, I was in agreement with you. Until the knife part of your argument. Where I am at in the states, we have mountain lions and bears. I will ALWAYS have a knife at an easy to reach location while in the forest. Especially on the back country trails. Once you have been on a ride/hike where the hair stands up on the back of your neck, you know you are not alone and being watched by a predator... Very unsettling feeling.
  • 47 6
 @RBalicious: knife vs bear/ mt lion.... good luck mate
  • 16 20
flag RBalicious (Mar 24, 2021 at 7:09) (Below Threshold)
 @allredbikes: Beats the hell out of not having one! Besides, they are great tools. I know what to do when encountering a predator such as those in the forest. Or I could just try your tactic, laying down and playing dead I am assuming? I would love to see how that works out for you...
  • 15 1
 @colincolin: Probably didn't even try to eat each other like any sane animal would.
  • 3 1
 @jaytdubs: The end.
  • 36 0
 @RBalicious: Coming from a province with more grizzlies than the lower 48 combined and a huge black bear population I really would put any faith in defending myself with a knife.
Unless it’s in your hand open while riding (not recommended) it’s not going to be that useful against a mountain lion pouncing on your back either. And if I had the time to prepare against a mountain lion I’d probably rather grab a long stick and throw some rocks (or better yet bearspray) to keep it at a distance rather than trying to take it on mano-a-mano with one knife when it has a mouth full of them.
  • 10 10
 @GravityCandy: I agree. Again, I know what to do when around predators in the forest. Raise bike overhead, be as loud as possible, throw objects, etc. I live/work in the forest daily, and am never in the woods with out a knife. They are great tools, but only as good as the tool using them. I would much rather have one when needed, versus need one and not have it. I am shocked to learn you do not carry a knife with you on rides. Many of the Canadians I have met that ride carry knives. To each their own.
  • 4 0
 This. Exactly. Let's go over the word "civilized" again, everyone, shall we?
  • 23 0
 @RBalicious: You have to take the type of knife carried into consideration, my dude. I'm not getting into the whole "can you defend yourself against wildlife with a knife" thing because over here I'll be fighting rabbits at most. But the perp from the article didn't have a work knife, a camping knife, a hunting knife or a swiss army knife on him. It was a spring knife from what I read, you know, the kind made specifically for use as a weapon against humans.
  • 9 2
 @bananowy: Hence my comment: “They are great tools, but only as good as the tool using them.” Wink
  • 6 0
 @SimbaandHiggins: You would be surprised by what folks take with them on the trails around here, like a hand gun in case they feel threatened by a sleepy porcupine that would dare cross their path....
  • 31 3
 Lots of angry people out there. I think the main-steam media is at fault here. Not only are they making people angry but they are empowering people to take their anger out on others verbally and physically.

We are watching the break down or de-evolution of our society happen before our eyes and I think its all part of much bigger plan. You know why things are the way they are? Because someone wants it that way.

Everyone needs to turn the TV off and get back to being humane humans.
  • 13 1
 @jcelli2013: Multiple people at my old job would ask me where I kept my gun while out riding here in Michigan, I always responded I keep it locked up at home.
  • 9 1
 @DDoc: Totally! It all starts with entertainment, video games etc... Watch tv for an evening just flipping channels, 80% or more of the crap on there has some sort of violence. No wonder people are going outright bat shit nuts now. They see nothing but this garbage called "entertainment" ang begin to think its the norm.
  • 7 1
 @RBalicious: I get what you're saying and agree there's a correlation between one's mentality and what they have in their pockets.

In a way my point was that no, not all knives are great tools, regardless of the user. A spring knife is only "great" for the one thing that it was designed for. I mean, yes, of course I could prep a campfire with one if I really had to, just like I could with no tools at all. But it's by no means ideal and by design it's not even a tool in the first place; it's a weapon.

As I said, I think fundamentally we are in agreement because someone who thinks that's the best thing to have on a leisurely hike is likely the kind of "tool" you're talking about.
  • 7 1
 @DDoc: So it's not the fault of the stabber or the rider who refused to give ROW? Here I was recklessly thinking that a change in behavior could've averted the outcome, but you've made me see the light! There's no point in even trying to be personally responsible. Dammit, where's my TV...oh, I threw it away in 2004, after decades of practice at acting humanely.
  • 6 1
 @KevinH69: He was a 69 year old - i dont think Video Games and Hollywood are to blame for this one -
  • 7 0
 So was this a trail in Bellingham, Wash., or an alley in Detroit? Jeez, people. Yes, please chill the F out.
  • 7 0
 @RBalicious: Canuck here. I have a knife in my emergency kit because it's useful. Also, a spring blade knife is not really all that scary. Many solid tools come with an open assist. I'm almost sure it wasn't the stiletto from the movies that everyones kind conjures with that description. Lastly, it you're worried about wildlife (particularly away from high use areas in Griz country), bear spray when you're rolling and a 45/70 when you're on foot is the way. Lol, don't bring a knife to a cannon fight.
  • 3 0
 @mgrantorser: haha! Totally agree. Yeah man, I definitely don’t live in Griz country. But have seen plenty of mountain lions and black bears in my neck of the woods. Definitely not worried about the latter of the two in most instances (unless I see a cub, then all bets are off!). And that is what I figured most people are imagining, a stiletto/switch blade, hence finding this portion of the comments funny. Very obvious not many readers/riders live in a remote area or work in a remote area. Any time I have been in the woods/at work with out a knife is when I have needed one. Worst time to need one & not have one is being in a hurry, on the fire line during initial attack with a hose roll that is bound by twine, fiber tape or zip ties.
  • 3 0
 @RBalicious: we use bear spray.
  • 9 1
 @jaytdubs: I agree. I remember the IMBA rules of the trail that give hikers the right-of-way and follow that unless the hiker moves aside well ahead of time. I then thank them and wish them a great hike. For a great lesson on trail etiquette, watch any of hardtail party's videos. He does it right.
  • 3 1
 @DDoc: Post of the year. Or decade. Or Century.
  • 4 0
 @RBalicious: in a fight to the death with a mountain lion yeah having a knife would increase your odds (very slightly but better than just your fists).

In a fight with a black bear or grizzly you’d be better off just using the knife on yourself and calling it a day. Unlikely you’d be able to even penetrate their fur and skin and fat unless you have a two handed broadsword.
  • 5 2
 @tincancharlie: I've always wondered who would come out on top... Someone skilled with a katana or a coastal Griz. Actually seems like a pretty fair fight.
  • 2 0
 @tincancharlie: haha, I think our fight or flight responses would dictate the outcome, situationally dependent of course, case number 1: www.cnn.com/2019/02/05/us/colorado-runner-chokes-mountain-lion/index.html
  • 6 0
 @RBalicious: there was some 60-70year old guy walking down a dirt road on Vancouver island who got attacked and he killed the mountain lion with a pocket knife.

To be clear - I carried a small fixed blade knife when I lived in coastal BC area to give me +1 damage versus the +5000 damage of a cougars jaws and claws.

Now that I ride in bear country (black and griz) it’s bear spray in my water bottle cage. If the bear wants to eat me no spray or knife is likely gonna help much.
  • 1 0
 @tincancharlie: Oh no kidding?! Does this guy live in Cumberland? If so, I may know him...
  • 2 0
 @RBalicious: I think it was near gold river which is north of Cumbie. But I’m going off memory here
  • 1 0
 @DDoc: tup Can't upvote you enough (especially your last bit of advice)
  • 5 1
 @bananowy: this is incorrect. in most states spring assisted knives are legal and have the same blade as a regular pocket knife. These knives are mostly utilized by people with mobility disabilities so they aren't limited in the tools they can carry. Switchblades are legal in less states but still are made often with the same style of blade that a regular pocket knife would have. You can produce a non assisted knife that is a dagger blade and would be legal. Using the style of handle as some sort of scare tactic to argue against its existence is the same sort of misinformed bullshit that makes some people think black guns are made only for war but wood guns are for bambi. At the end of the day they are all tools and it's up to the operator in how they are used. Screwdrivers for example work tremendously well as a weapon but they are mostly used for other tasks.
  • 8 1
 @allredbikes: haha. A long time ago in highschool me and two friends were hiking(going to drink beer) in the santa monica mountains. We came around a bend and a mountain lion was in the middle of the trail. We all froze. My one friend slowly pulls out a swiss army knife and he's fumbling to open it and we both just look at him and start laughing. The mountain lion was disgusted with us and just walked away.
  • 2 0
 @tincancharlie: It may have been Al then, I will have to see if I can scrounge up the story! This is too crazy, as I did a road trip around Vancouver Island in 2014 when I first started mountain biking and met a guy in his 60s that was riding solo near Comox lake, with a big Bowie knife on his belt. Super cool dude.
  • 9 1
 @jcelli2013: i've ceased to be surprised by americans when it comes to arms and conflict. You guys truly take it to the next level in so many ways
  • 3 0
 @roadrunner1212: Huh? What's "incorrect"? I said nothing about anything being illegal? Legal aspects never even crossed my mind. American laws on that are so overcomplicated I'm not even gonna try. I know which of my knifes I can carry where in the UK and that's good enough for me. And where exactly did I argue against anything's existence? You're projecting, mate.

I was purely talking about the design's daily usefulness. And I admit, from the article, the first thing that came to my mind wasn't a spring-assisted folding knife, but rather an automatic dagger.

Now that you mention it though, I re-read and according to the article, the specific knife used here was indeed illegal in that specific place. And at the end of the day it was used for stabbing instead of sharpening sticks to roast marshmallows. So idk, maybe if it looks like a duck, blah blah blah...
  • 2 1
 @RBalicious: I've been mountain biking my whole life all over western Canada and have never rode or ridden with anyone carring a knife unless its a multiday trip. Unless its in a multi tool or swiss army knife not many Canadiians carry a shank on the local trails, Bear spay yes.
  • 220 25
 Ok boomers...seriously, chill out guys
  • 73 4
 Yeah when I saw the ages it clicked... Two pig headed guys refusing to think they should move for the other.
  • 143 1
 Back in my day!... no back in MY DAY!!..., NO BACK IN MY DAY!!!
  • 14 0
 Right!? I thought hiking and mountain biking was for stress relief. I really can't get mad out there, even if inconvenienced. It just doesn't matter. I do see the tension happening all the time as trails get busier. I'm almost not surprised to hear about something like this.
  • 26 1
 @McMurray: I wish it was stress relief. Many of the older hikers I’ve met have been extremely possessive and controlling about trails, access, the ‘right’ way to use trails and ‘who’ gets to use them. I must admit that as a result I don’t think very positively about the Sierra Club.
  • 27 4
 @Rudy2455: funny you mention it. People "out on a hike" are usually in awe of mountain bikes.

"Hikers" are usually psychotic, territorial boot stompers hell bent on booby trapping the length of the trail.

Someone did it on Kitsuma earlier this week in Pisgah. They moved shoe box size rocks from some place off trail in 3 places and put them dead center in the middle of blind S turns. It wasn't a kid flipping up a rock. It was some dude carrying big ass rocks and dropping them in trail on a fast descent 2 miles in on a mountain no one hikes all the way down the backside of.
  • 24 6
 Never had a boomer get super pissed at me for slowing down, passing courteously and saying hello. Not once.
  • 1 1
 @thetruejb: and guaranteed trying to impress women.
  • 6 0
 @cuban-b-can-blow-me: Same kind of thing on my local trails.

There was a really fun drop that some local kids built (and built well might I add) but someone from the fun police rolled some big ass boulder right on the landing. Wasnt even natural to the area looked like a garden decoration someone hauled in. Had to block it off so no one would get hurt. Absolutely ridiculous.
  • 21 1
 @McMurray: But these old people get no joy out of it unless they have a chance to get into some shit like this. I stopped saying "hello" and started saying "a smile won't kill you" when I encounter these shit people. The worst is when you see them at a resort. Why didn't you just stay in your McMansion if you are just going to be a grumpy ass all day? How do you go to a mountain resort and stay grumpy? Look at the dam mountains enjoy life for crying out loud.
  • 23 45
flag Bondseye007 (Mar 24, 2021 at 7:44) (Below Threshold)
 The Boomer Generation invented Mountain Biking, Gen X invented Rampage, you all invented E Bikes. Respect your elders.
  • 21 4
 What is wrong with that generation?
So violent and so entitled.
  • 11 1
 @T-Brick: I have. I have always gone out of my way to be courteous, I have always gone above and beyond yielding, oftentimes taking myself and my bike off the trail entirely if it's narrow. I've always included a smile and hello and a how are you. I do get the feeling that when I'm bending over backwards and still getting attitude from hikers it's not me they're angry at specifically, but because I took the time to stop for them now they're going to let loose. It sucks.
  • 14 5
 I don't think this behavior is age specific. At all.
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 @Rudy2455: I stop every time too. I want to keep trail access so I compliment dogs, etc.

It backfired only once. We were shuttling a trail & mountain biking was still fairly new. He was super nice, chatted us up about the bikes & then from the exact point we met to the top of the trail, he flipped every rock, stick & log he could drag into the trail.

We never saw him on that next run. We weren't mad. It actually scared us thinking if he'd come back and get more radical.
  • 6 0
 @cuban-b-can-blow-me: In all fairness - Kitsuma could use some tech Smile
  • 5 0
 @T-Brick: are you being sarcastic? I’m genuinely curious because I get nothing but nasty looks and comments no matter how slow, respectful, and kind I am. There is a type on the trail who I believe are there only to be once again offended and mistreated by wild bicyclerists.
  • 8 2
 For sure the mountain biker started the problem by being selfish and telling the hikers to move. Hikers always have right of way in my book. if they leave you room fine but otherwise just stop and say hi. I also imagine he was thinking about the general rule of mountain biking in that uphill has right of way over downhill. I do not think this should not be a hard and fast rule and that think may have contributed to the problem. Anyone who Mountain bikes a lot knows there are crazy hikers who are looking for trouble and you never know who's going to freak and pull a chainsaw out of his backpack and attack- true story.
  • 1 0
 @cbkoontz: Come join g5 for our trail day on kitsuma next month!
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 @cbkoontz: This was on the super fast piece that is smooth at the bottom of the 2nd descent. The one after the 1st right hand 180 berm before you go up the wall of the last climb.

It's tight rhodo right there and about 50 feet apart were these 2 HUGE rocks just sitting dead center in the path. Real bad spot. People are nuts.



And yes, Kitsuma used to be simplistic, super rooty tech the full length of it. I thin strip of singletrack you had to weave between rhodos. Then the Assault on Mt. Mitchell every year started coming through and doing trail work which was never drainage, just widening the rhodo tunnels.

Then that stupid guy that used work for Forest Service got his first contract with all that government grant money and instead of drying it out, just put a blade to ground, dug ditches and on spines that I've never seen water on, he slammed that trail dozer blade in and ripped it all up.

Then in the last few years, someone else got in there with more dozers and tools and fixed his ditches, but didn't stop there. They widened and smoothed and cut out more roots and rhodos.

Now, after the last work party on Kitsuma, someone built a left hand catch berm on the last spine section through the pine trees so they could rail it at high speed. It wasn't a drainage issue. It's becoming too much of a "track".

Kickers and built berms belong in bike parks, not on shared use scenic spine trails.
  • 13 0
 @Cemer: Kind of sarcastic, just me. To be fair 95% of people on trails are cool. To be unfair, of the 5% most are older, entitled white dudes in their Nat Geo REI uniform. But I’m just out there to enjoy, not smash PR’s so it baffles me when people are dicks.
  • 6 3
 @cuban-b-can-blow-me: ""Hikers" are usually psychotic, territorial boot stompers hell bent on booby trapping the length of the trail."? - You can't be serious with that kind of statement. Or maybe the Pisgah area is a dystopian hellscape; or you're suffering from some confirmation bias. No doubt you can encounter some a-holes in any activity, but "hikers are usually" some people out walking in the woods - no more or less.
  • 5 0
 @number44: Yeah, generalizations about all hikers (or horse riders) being terrible are foolish. Every group has bad apples. And I think we shouldn't be adversarial but instead trying to work with hikers/horse people to get more trails built. More trails is a win for all trail users.
  • 5 2
 @number44: There was sarcasm in my post.

"out for a hike" guy says this is fun. hi there.
"hiker" says this isn't a game you pissy little whipper snapper. I'll pummel you with my hand whittled shank.

Just broad generalizations for comedy.
  • 2 1
 @cuban-b-can-blow-me: Gotcha - irony iz hrd on screenz wrdz. Smile
  • 2 0
 @thetruejb: haha true! By the way, not so much that they r boomers but old grumpy guys. Grumpiness is a choice, old is not!
  • 1 0
 @number44: Usually? I think you might be over reaching. Just a touch
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 @ol-sidewinder: Sorry, not sure what you're referring to. I was responding to @cuban-b-can-blow-me due to a misunderstanding about his post. My second "usually" was just that people (hikers) aren't monolithic. It was a misunderstanding.
  • 1 0
 @Bondseye007: Maybe they should respect each other. People past retirement age shouldn't be shanking each other in the woods.
  • 2 0
 @BeerGuzlinFool: Right, these are supposed to be their golden years. Maybe the Canasta tournament down in the social area of the community center got canceled that day.
  • 1 0
 @bikerbob1: leaded gas
  • 2 1
 @BeerGuzlinFool: I heard the cyclist is suffering from Covid induced stab wound syndrome.
  • 167 3
 I would never even dream about requesting the people I encounter to move aside.
That soumds lika a 100% successful way to anger people and even start arguments or fights.

Hikers will most of the time move aside if I just smile, say Hi, and just shows signs of slowing down and moving aside.
  • 50 0
 I ALWAYS give the right of way , especially if there are children and horses .
  • 82 0
 @Sirios: or children acting like horses.
  • 65 0
 And especially a whole group of (older) people hiking a trail. The idea of yelling at them to get out of the way so I can clean a section seems ludicrous to me.
  • 18 0
 or horses acting like children
  • 37 0
 It is strange that he admits to outright demanding that they move aside. On multi use trails bikers yield to everyone. If the hikers move aside thats cool but up to them not me.
  • 37 1
 Yep, it sounds like the biker was being a douchebag. But I'd say the price he paid for his rudeness was awfully high, a lot higher than he probably deserved.
  • 16 1
 A biker should always yield the right of way to hikers. In most situations both parties could see each other for long enough to make eye contact, both slow down, and one, or both, make some sort of gesture to show who can move on. It sounds like in this case both parties decided to be complete d-bags and show no respect for other trail users.
  • 11 1
 @mtmc99: bikers are suppose to yield to hikers on multi use. I’m here in Bellingham, and have found the hikers to be way nicer than I have in other places. If theirs space I won’t yield as there’s space to go around. It even today, I was cleaning a steeper section and two hikers just moved out of the way and said hi. Can’t imagine someone grabbing my handle bars
  • 48 1
 @mtmc99: The adamant, angry, determined, clipped in 66 year old stubborn technical climber is a rare but passionate breed.
  • 7 1
 Time to get one of those Timber bells:

www.mtbbell.com/store/p1/TIMBER_Quick-Release_Model_.html

Any trail user hears me coming from far, and it prevents hunters from thinking l'm a wild pig.
  • 9 0
 @allredbikes: how do you yield to someone when you are coming up behind them going the same direction?
  • 6 0
 @arrowheadrush: especially with earbuds in. That's the worst
  • 12 2
 The guy was going uphill. How long are you going to sit behind a slow hiking group while you're climbing before you ask them to let you by??
  • 6 0
 @rrolly: what about grown-ups acting like children acting like horses???
  • 3 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: These guys don't even respect other mountain bikers, have a bunch where I ride, spandex bag of dicks.
  • 10 1
 Proper etiquette is to loudly yell "KOMming Through!!!!!" and then f'ing send it.

But seriously, be nice. Take a moment to say hi, and try and make a friend, not an enemy.
  • 4 2
 @DoubleCrownAddict: Was probably on STRAVA going for a KOM on his $5000 bike he got at a retirement present for himself and got miffed when it ruined his climb segment,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
  • 13 0
 I feel like this was inevitable in B'ham after I encountered a 60-something, overbiked, entitled jackwagon on the Interurban of all places. He keeps yelling "Bike back! Bike back!" as I'm crossing a footbridge with our toddler, and when I told him to wait, peds have RoW on this trail anyway, he flies into a screaming rage. TBH I did feel like stabbing him. The he calls me a "f*ing millennial" in front of my 3yo daughter - he missed by a couple decades on that one.
I'm going with "Bellinghoomers"; friends that live up there can confirm this subgroup.
  • 5 2
 @DoubleCrownAddict: Sounds like a roadie on a mtb to me
  • 4 0
 @arrowheadrush: Slow way down and ask to pass. It's been working for me for over 35 years. Being nice works wonders.
  • 2 0
 @number44: Could have been the same guy. Maybe he's taking 'roids to keep riding strong at his age.
  • 3 0
 @NWBasser: I seriously considered that given the reaction. The guy I encountered was like super-aggro-retired-dentist-dude with his hi-spec bike and wired rimmed glasses (just like mine - hmm) out "shreddin'" the Interurban. I'm going to try to keep an eye on this story, because I think I'd recognize him.
  • 2 0
 Bikers have to give way to pedestrians, just like cars have to give way to pedestrians too. Thing is you dont get pedestrians standing in the middle of the road to consolidate their 'right' but this happens all the time on bike ways and trails. Hikers do move aside in general but you always get the ones who seem to think their right of way entitles them to be an arse.
  • 1 0
 @arrowheadrush: oh I throw pine cones at them.
  • 2 0
 @Offrhodes: I couldn't agree more. I almost always stop, sometimes I even dismount, to let hikers get by. I figure, if I'm not moving, there's no chance of anybody getting flustered or claiming they were inconvenienced or terrified.
I say almost always. A fair few hikers just smile and wave me on. I still like to stop and let then get by though -- build up some good will and show them we're not all lunatics trying to hammer a trail at warp speed.
It can be intimidating when those kind of riders blast past, even for other bikers.
  • 1 0
 @konamat: I've got a bear bell and it works great.
I ride all over Hong Kong and I haven seen a bear yet!
Alerts other trail users too, so long as they aren't wearing headphones.
  • 115 9
 "Moron 1 stabbed Moron 2" (who exactly was moron depends which side you belive) should be the title of the article.

"Mountainbiker" and "hiker" is misleading because this is not the only thing that defines the sad angry involved adult morons.
This could happen on road, in Walmart, in bank... - wherever.

First thing that defines them is being a Moron and it should be used that way....
  • 59 3
 There really is no excuse for repeatedly stabbing someone.
  • 31 0
 yes, they were probably both not behaving like they've should. but stabbing just cannot be justified
  • 15 4
 Agreed, while no-one should be stabbed in this type of situation, my guess is that the biker had multiple opportunities to de-escalate the situation and instead did the opposite.
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 @jaytdubs: Yes, he should never have let the guy grab his bars and pull him over. What an idiot.
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 @headshot: No, he shouldn't have been a dick and demanded that a group of hikers get out of his way so he can clean a section of trail without unclipping.

Huge douche mountain biker runs into an equally huge douche on trail. There's your real headline.
  • 5 0
 @Dethphist: I'd say stabbing the other trail user takes bad behavior to a higher level than failing to yield right of way.

Typically bikers yield for hikers, but that really comes from the more general rule that the more maneuverable user yields to the less maneuverable. That is why downhill traffic yields to uphill traffic of the same kind, and everyone yields to horses.

Now I don't think it's actually true that bikers are more maneuverable than hikers, they're just faster. But since it's pointless and counterproductive to get into a debate every time I meet a hiker I just yield. But since the vast majority of trail users are friendly and courteous, hikers nearly *always* step off the trail when its clearly more convenient for them than it is for me, for which I always thank them.

That's the way it should be. Courtesy and common sense should trump rules, but if there's any uncertainty you should follow the rules cheerfully, even if they don't really make sense.
  • 2 0
 @hexhamstu: he was trying to make a point!
  • 65 0
 What was your biggest mountain bike accident? I rode over an elder and crashed on a switchblade. You mean switchback? Nope!
  • 27 0
 Get your Pivot Switchblade for self defense today!
  • 6 0
 @Upduro: And make sure you gear up with your Giro Switchblade for extra protection!
  • 52 2
 Jesus Christ. Way to spend your retirement in jail. Dude needs the book thrown at him for being such a jackass. Who the f*ck stabs someone for something like that. Hope that guy doesn’t have any long term injuries as a result.
  • 51 7
 So much aggression from the 66-69 year old male category. Jeezzes guys, grow up...
  • 19 1
 the problem is they have. now they're just angry
  • 10 3
 @NivlacEloop: Must have ruined his Strava segment time, because that matters so much these days......
  • 12 5
 Can't completely blame them—they did grow up drinking and inhaling lead
  • 9 5
 Absolutely, it's not possible that there are idiots at all age levels, and it's not generational. Idiot.
  • 13 2
 @Peally: Don't spend your time getting mad online—think of all the better, more productive and wholesome activities you could be doing instead! Like stabbing people on your local trails, for instance
  • 2 3
 @Peally: i have no idea what you are trying to say. or how it even relates to my comment. but i never said old people were the only idiots
  • 5 1
 Who radicalized these old people?
  • 3 0
 @dcaf: KOM, being a dick and knife to the ribs vs being nice and not getting top 20%.....I'll be honest, could go either way for me
  • 4 11
flag Peally (Mar 24, 2021 at 8:17) (Below Threshold)
 @NivlacEloop: Was referring to the PinkerPranker dumbass.

That, and every gen z high schooler that uses the term 'boomer'

Lotta inbred tribalism floating around these days.
  • 19 3
 @Peally: Sounds like something a boomer would say
  • 1 3
 @CarlMega: The Washington Post and the NYT?
  • 7 2
 @Peally: ok boomer
  • 3 0
 Now at all IMBA kiosks: Only cyclists and hikers aged 1-65, and 70+ are permitted to ride on these premises.
  • 43 14
 I for one won't be buying one of Dake's classical guitars!
www.traphagenguitars.com
  • 17 12
 He's also on Instagram if you want to leave a comment.
  • 12 6
 10k for one of his guitars... and it’s not even electric. Least it comes with a case, got spesh beat in that department.
  • 32 12
 @wbro1974: can we not dox the guy? He’s in custody.
  • 4 1
 His axes sound like douchebaggery
  • 33 12
 @MillerTFB: For you, @lifeofloon, @wbro1974 and anyone else who thinks they need to inject themselves into this...you'll be just as moronic. Victim is being treated, police are involved, that's how the system works.

None of us were there so we're not qualified to make excessive value judgements and dox people without all the facts. Don't be a-holes piling on.

Related philosophical question: Is doxing someone ever the thing to do anyway?
  • 3 2
 @iammarkstewart: well said. Situation certainly pushed a button for me.
  • 7 1
 @iammarkstewart: In his or her defense, @MillerTFB said: "can we not dox the guy? He’s in custody."

Seems to be on the right side of this one to me.
  • 9 0
 @stokedrightnow: You're looking at guitars crafted with a switchblade. It's not easy.
  • 33 1
 @iammarkstewart @MillerTFB

"Dox"? His name was made public by Whatcom County Sherriff Office, not by PB commenters. Anyone can copy and paste that name into Google and find the guy's website and social media accounts, with or without the links posted above.

No one here has "doxed" him. No one has posted any details that are not publicly available.

Maybe his name wouldn't get associated with stabbing people if he didn't stab people?
  • 2 0
 @iammarkstewart: honestly he's probably a serial killer in hiding. Likely enjoyed the first stab enough to keep going.
  • 2 0
 “Electrify guitars, not bikes.”

- @stokedrightnow
  • 4 1
 @bananowy: I didn't say anything about what's already published. Doxing is going the extra mile though:

"search for and publish private or identifying information about (a particular individual) on the internet, typically with malicious intent."

If you're going to take it upon yourself to further punish someone by possibly irrevocably ruining aspects of their life (whether or not they're guilty of any crime) you're inflicting harm without due process and all the facts. What's publicly available and doxing are two different things. And even leaving a bunch of douchey comments on his so-meds is done so without the whole story.

And I was just asking the question. Do I think stabbing someone while on a hike is a reasonable response to anything except someone else with a knife? Absolutely not. I get @lifeofloon, totally a button pusher as a mountain biker. I'm just saying getting some perspective and all the facts isn't a bad thing to do before putting the nail in the ruination of someone's life.
  • 3 0
 @iammarkstewart: I'm glad you took the time to find and make yourself familiar with the definition of doxing. Of course I already knew it, which is exactly why I corrected you. Now, like me, you can see that's not even close to what anyone did here. You're welcome.

"If you're going to take it upon yourself to further punish someone by possibly irrevocably ruining aspects of their life"

Projection. Please prove that anyone in this comment section attempted or even suggested anything that would fit this description if you're going to throw around serious accusations like that.

"What's publicly available and doxing are two different things."

That is exactly what I pointed out. No doxing happened in this thread.

"And I was just asking the question."

This is dishonest backtracking and you know it. Your comment did not only consist of a question, but also included strong judgement and an unfounded assumption that doxing had occurred in this thread. Even said question was about doxing. Now that we have established that doxing did not take place, I'm sure you see the question was as irrelevant as it was loaded.
  • 1 0
 @everythingsucks: Electrify guitars?

"Judas!"
  • 1 0
 @bananowy: Dude, @MillerTFB asked the question "can we dox the guy". I never said he did, I was trying to say maybe we ought not to. I never said anyone doxed anyone else.

My intent was to ask people to think before doxing as there's a lot of harm that can come from it, after I interpreted a comment as a question. I'm sorry that didn't come through for you.
  • 3 0
 @iammarkstewart: OK, cool. I guess I misinterpreted both of you guys then.
  • 1 0
 @bananowy: All good sir, the typed word doesn't always get the job done. Thanks for being sporting about it. Stay well.
  • 2 0
 @iammarkstewart: Who is doxing anyone? His name is there in plain daylight for anyone to google.
  • 1 0
 @wbro1974: Read through my conversation with @bananowy. I never said anyone doxed anyone, I was pointing out that doxing is the next step and that there should be though put into it before it's done. I think we're close to being on the same page, my typed words just didn't quite get there.
  • 1 0
 @everythingsucks: I like it I like it a lot. You already got the stickers made?
  • 28 0
 Can we blame video games like pac-man.. or whatever they are playing at this age?
  • 7 0
 Blame to much James Taylor
  • 8 0
 Leisure suit larry is the culprit
  • 1 0
 More like 2pac man
  • 3 0
 Too old for PacMan. They were playing Pong.
  • 29 2
 Who has time to "pull out a pocket knife" in the middle of a tussle? Dude had that shit ready for sure!
  • 4 0
 It's a knife you can pull and deploy with one hand. You can get the blade out and stabbin in like 2 seconds.
  • 4 1
 Switchblade. The geezer actually went out and bought an illegal knife for a situation just like this. He probably played this scenario out in his head before bed every night.
  • 26 5
 "Don't be a dick" should be the rule for all parties interacting. I feel for the biker, but be nice to people. You never know who is willing to escalate an encounter unnecessarily!
  • 13 0
 That would fit in so well on a sign post at the trail head! 1. Respect the local fauna 2. Don't leave trash behind 3. Tell an emergency contact where you are heading 4. Don't be a dick 5. Something important 6. Something else important
  • 18 1
 @Aleksis:

You just need 3 rows.
1. Don't be a dick
2. Be nice
3. Remember not to be a dick
  • 18 2
 Stabbing someone is an insane response, but unclipping and potentially having to push your bike for several feet or even a few hundred feet isn't a big deal. This is so bizarre, seems like there must be more to the story.
  • 23 5
 @kcy4130: The more to the story is that both parties are entitled enough to think there is no way they should be in any way inconvenienced to allow someone else to pass and both stubborn enough not to back down and move aside when things starts to get heated.

Essentially, classic boomers.
  • 5 1
 @Patrick9-32: I can see that escalating to shouting and shoving, but stabbing? Makes me wonder if this wasn't the first time they had a trail run in. Or perhaps mental health issues.
  • 11 0
 Don’t be a Dake
  • 8 0
 @Aleksis: Rule 5: No stabbing
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 @kcy4130: Boomers don't believe in mental health issues. In their day they just manned up and stabbed people who mildly inconvenienced them on a hiking trail. Not like today's kids, getting therapy and working through their issues to try and become better people, pussies.
  • 22 0
 This is why I always pack my assault spork. You never know when it’s going to pop off in the woods.
  • 8 1
 When you were partying, I studied the tire lever. When you were having premarital sex, I mastered the hex wrench. While you wasted your days at the gym in pursuit of vanity, I cultivated KOMs. And now that the world is on fire and the hikers are temporarily blocking your bike path, you have the audacity to come to me for help.
  • 18 0
 Physics says two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time but science forgot to tell you that the object with the knife usually wins. We should be embarrassed that our society is producing violent, confrontational, pathological liars that still have not grown up late into their sixities. The west coast used to be where the peace loving hippies littered trails with kindness and burrito wrappers not blood. Fucking ridiculous.
  • 10 6
 West coast hippies (sometimes called "baby boomers") are usually known for their well behaviour and friendliness towards others
  • 45 27
 Hiker has right of way. Period. Most are nice and will move over. This hiker and mountain biker are giving my demographic a senility complex. .
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flag chriskneeland (Mar 24, 2021 at 5:17) (Below Threshold)
 What planet are you from? It's easier for a hiker to safely take one step off the trail than it is for a biker to pull over in a technical section. I've never come across a hiker who didn't allow me to pass. Hell most of the time, if I'm riding a techy section, they'll even start cheering like a bunch of goons.
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 @chriskneeland: As I said, "Most are nice and will move over." I'm just following the rules of IMBA and also the signage posted on most trail heads on state owned land or resorts - mountain bikers yield to hikers.
  • 52 4
 On planet earth hikers always have right of way. Sure lots of times they yield anyway, but as bikers we should never expect them to, and should always be ready to hop off the bike or slow down. Hikers are easily startled, quick to anger, and as this article points out the most dangerous animal you will encounter on the trail. As the faster moving, more evolved trail user a mountain biker should yield to hikers. This is the general rule on earth I think.
  • 13 7
 @chriskneeland: this. Also hikers often walk next to each other, which might not be a problem on trails but is on fire roads etc, and they STILL get angry sometimes if you want to pass.

Do it like the sand people, walk single file to hide your numbers and so farmer boys on speeders can safely pass.
  • 8 2
 Shouldn't everyone just accommodate everyone else without one group having a superiority complex? I slow down and move way over for hikers, often they do the same when I give a heads up that I'm coming. All groups should be treated equally with none receiving preference should be the rules. The only user group in my area who refuses to accommodate are the horse people, and even then if you're on a public trail your animal should be trained to the point where its not frightened by a slowly moving bicycle or hiker.
  • 3 1
 Correct and riders should always be prepared to adhere to the rule. Two sides to the story and it’s still being sorted out but if the rider is telling the truth pulling out a knife and stabbing seems a bit harsh. If the rider did indeed charge the guy with his bike then...

If people have poor trail etiquette I may say something nicely in hopes of helping them learn but there’s those who just can’t do without confrontation. When a hiker or rider doesn’t yield to a horse I’d hope the horseback rider wouldn’t try to have their horse kick the person as a reminder!
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flag chriskneeland (Mar 24, 2021 at 6:44) (Below Threshold)
 @neimbc: I've never heard of this "rule", but hikers around my way (myself included) understand the basic physics of a body in motion and get out of the way.
  • 11 2
 @chriskneeland: hope youre not this big of a tool on the trails
  • 11 8
 @me2menow: Don't have to be. People around here have enough intelligence to navigate around each other. Biker climing up a trail, hiker moves. Horse comes down the trail, biker moves. We're not talking f*cking quadratic functions here.
  • 13 4
 @OCtrailMonkey: Imagine being so much of an entitled douchebag to force a biker to dismount their bike so you can walk by, when you could have just as easily taken an equal number of steps to the side and allowed the biker to swiftly pass you by. TF is this world coming to.
  • 12 0
 How do you yield to a hiker when you are coming up behind them going the same direction?
  • 7 4
 @arrowheadrush: I ride this trail network once a week, sometimes twice, that is a popular hiking spot which they've added bike trails to over the last few years. The hiker to biker ratio probably 20-1 on any given day, and definitely more on the weekends. I have NEVER had a hiker who didn't step out of the way as soon as we came into eyesight of each other, typically a 30-50 foot distance. And when hiking or walking the trails, I do the same by default. Which is why this "rule" is blowing my mind right now.
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flag me2menow (Mar 24, 2021 at 10:44) (Below Threshold)
 @chriskneeland: trails arent always wide enough. Ive been in the situation before. Asswipe expected me to jump into poison oak for him. Bumped him off the bike as he literally rode into me, then called him a kook and told him he sucks at riding
  • 4 3
 @me2menow: Cool story bro
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 @chriskneeland: Thanks champ
  • 16 3
 Trail Nazi's never quit. It is absolutely ridiculous in this day and age..i swear they breed into the generations to hate anyone other than hikers. I deal with the same bull$hit weekly. No armed confrontations but they booby trap the trails and cut and lay briars down all over the trails that were legally cut and maintained by mt. Bikers. Yet they so graciously go hike those trails. I always yeild to them on the trail and greet them politely, apparently makes no difference.
  • 12 1
 Something I am finding to be quite funny, one is how many riders are down voting me for the knife in the woods/great tool comments. As well as there is a HUGE difference between a SWITCHBLADE and spring assisted knife. Look up Kershaw knives and what a switch blade is. A knife is a TOOL, until it is used as a weapon by a lunatic (such as this article) or in self defense. I want to know what kind of knife was used in this case.
I am a forester/wild land firefighter. I will always have a knife on me in the woods. It is used regularly, as a tool. Again, CIVILITY is the key concept here.
  • 3 0
 Absolutely. The same people saying switchblade are probably the same kooks that think any black gun is a military assault weapon. Spring assist Kershaw in my pocket right now. I wonder if the conversation would be the same had he been beaten with a stick or rock?
  • 3 0
 @drunknride: Or a walking stick/hiking pole? Seriously, it doesn’t matter the object. In the hands of a human it becomes a weapon when used as such.
  • 19 5
 It was a matter of time that someone wearing spandex was getting stabbed.
  • 13 3
 Yikes. They both must have been having one of those "10 years ago YOU weren't here" moments. When we're on bikes it's important not to be a jerk. Hikers and horses have the right of way in the national forest and other trails systems in my area but hikers nearly always yield because they're being courteous. We're the ones with a mechanical advantage and because of the privelege of the use of our machine it is our duty to yield in the rare times the hikers don't want to . If the rider was trying to get his personal best time and went as far as to ask other trail users who had the right of way he was acting pretty entitled which I could see angering another 60 something old carmudgeon. But to STAB someone for being selfish about the right of way is just insane. The hikers and horses have the right of way. Hikers often yield to bikers, but they don't have to. It's easy to forget when 99% of hikers move, are courteous, and don't stab you. I try to be so nice they can't hate me even if I scare the living daylights out of them. But there will be that one jerk muttering about how he hates bikers and if he sees one he's not gonna yield and WANTS to get into trouble because he has mental problems. We have to be ready to deal with . We've all seen the guy who sits down where kids are skateboarding or bmxing or who just HAS to stand in front of someone's camera on a tripod (not defending the tripod here). Feels powerless in society and decides to exert the one tiny bit of perceived momentary power he's felt in years by stickin' it to a biker, skater, artist, busker, child selling water on a hot day etc.
  • 14 3
 I also have had geriatric hikers assault me on the bike, I thought it was isolated until it happened a second time. Old white guys are some of the most entitled and violent people.
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flag Logan760 (Mar 24, 2021 at 13:36) (Below Threshold)
 RonSauce Racist idiot
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 Whoa, chill, dont stab me Peepaw.
  • 1 10
flag Logan760 (Mar 24, 2021 at 20:31) (Below Threshold)
 @RonSauce: Okay karen
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 @Logan760: tHaTs SeXiSt YoU iDiOt!
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flag Logan760 (Mar 24, 2021 at 21:21) (Below Threshold)
 @RonSauce: Calm down Karen and stop being a racist idiot okay.
  • 2 1
 @Logan760: you're the boss, right?
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 @RonSauce: Your a racist idiot right?
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 @Logan760: I'm just speaking facts. Maybe if you old turds took your meds and quit attacking people when things don't go your way people would have a different opinion. Its always some old white guy who didn't get his way throwing a temper tantrum like a child.

They also tend to repeat themselves, and have zero self awareness.

Lastly...*you're.
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 @RonSauce: Haha more racist rhetoric from a smooth brain racist who hates certain people because of their race and age. You just proved my point again.
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 @RonSauce: It is quite funny you use alt accounts to downvote immediately. Just shows i am dealing with a child. Good day child.......
  • 3 1
 @Logan760: you are full on insane if you think I made extra accounts to downvote you, thats pretty pathetic. Eat your oatmeal, its close to bedtime.
  • 13 0
 Thas why muc off put that Knife into the Puncture plug tool
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 We are all ambassadors of our beloved sport, I agree here if in doubt and another trail user will not yield or does not want to yield then be the true lady or gent and give way.
One can always go back and do the section of trail again, we are after all not racing but riding the trail, surly we can show how to behave graciously in these situations and build good will from one and all?.
  • 18 7
 I want to know if he was on an e-mtb. Then would the stabbing be justified? I mean those bikes are heavy.
  • 2 0
 One of the hikers pulled his handlebar causing him to crash. Why would stabbing somebody who had an accident be justified???
  • 12 0
 New feature on the 2021 version of the Impossible Climb?
  • 13 1
 Old people, why don't we just turn then into food already
  • 3 0
 you really wouldn't want to eat my old crusty ballsack.
  • 4 1
 @slow-af-rider: Is it a naturally occurring crust, or has your ballsack been twice roasted in duck fat and the second roast was first coated in semolina, maybe a little parmesan and finely chopped rosemary and seasoned to perfection? Cause, you know, there's 'crusty' and then there's 'CRUSTY'.
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 @slow-af-rider: not me but my dog wouldn't care lol.
  • 1 0
 @iamamodel: That's the fancy version of a deep-fried testicle fritter
  • 11 1
 So when are we getting Kashima coated Switchblades to defend against hikers
  • 8 0
 SWAT box full of weapons. STAB box..
  • 4 0
 @littleskull99: trail pistols
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 @littleskull99:
*Serious
*Threats
*Angry
*Boomers
  • 9 0
 I always worry about Bears, Coyotes, wolves, fisher cats, bobcats, Mountain lions, but now I know I need to watch out for the Boomers with the switchblades. who knew....
  • 9 0
 Did anyone update a hazard on Trailforks? I can't find knife wielding hiker as an option.
  • 6 0
 27 years of riding and sharing trails, I only got into it with someone 3 times, and all 3 were hikers. That's out of hikers, horseback riders, runners, dirt bikers and of course other Mbikers. Mostly I would have to say, assholes don't like nature and that where we go to get away from that.... DIRT CHURCH, peace be with you!!
  • 3 0
 That is impressive. I got yelled at 3 times in one day in Sedona by hikers last week for riding too fast...on mountain bike trails.
  • 9 4
 Hmm, lots of he said ,he said .
Requesting the right of way is never a good idea , especially if you encounter a hot head.
The best course of action is to yield to everyone , bikers , hikers , horses , children , the elderly ( what ever that is ) and bears , especially bears .
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 No. Best course of action is to NOT STAB PEOPLE over trivial disagreements.
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 ..
  • 9 1
 @Vastusaurus: at least they didn't pull out guns I guess.
  • 5 0
 This is the most popular thread in a while. I am old but I try not to be a dick. It sounds like this was an epic meeting of two fully developed idiots. I always carry a knife hiking or biking, so I am always ready - but I do so in case I am in need of a bottle opener or something to help prepare my lunch.
  • 10 2
 They should have listened to the pinkbike podcast
  • 8 0
 Someone took trailforks very serious
  • 12 0
 Got it mixed up with Trailknives
  • 4 0
 A perfect storm of the disdain and intolerance that trail user groups have for each other. Happens constantly but never usually escalates to almost taking someone’s life. One of the bystanders needs to do the right thing and tell the truth of what really happened.
  • 7 0
 Was the hiker that stabbed the biker the same Dake Traphagen who makes high end guitars?
  • 5 0
 Yeah, some of the other comments have a link.
  • 3 1
 Looks can be deceiving, his pic with a guitar makes him look like a harmless, kindly guy..........
  • 5 0
 @RayDolor: Looks to me like a psycho. Oh well...
  • 5 1
 Hikers have become"victoms" and it is a joke. If everyone has a little accountability and respect we should not have issues while out enjoying our trails but lately i have noticed hikers being extremely aggressive and over dramatic. Just get out of the way so we can move on with the day.
  • 5 0
 Genuine question. I understand yielding to hikers when going in opposing directions, but what is the best course of action when you approach from behind a hiker? e.g. going up a climb.
  • 16 0
 The situation you are describing happens a lot where I ride. Generally, I have found it best to announce my presence with a “Good (morning/afternoon/evening).” Once the hiker knows I’m there, I then just ask if it would be ok for me to ride around them when the trail corridor is wide enough to pass. I then thank them for letting me pass and I wish them well. So far, this tactic has resulted in friendly waves, well wishes, and zero conflict.
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 @mt-outlaw: Thanks for the reply!
  • 6 0
 Other riders chirp me all the time but I have a bell on all of my bikes. I give lots and lots of warning. As soon as I see anyone I ring so they can locate me. Everybody knows what a bicycle bell sounds like. Also when you're out of breath, talking can sound like yelling.
  • 10 0
 I try to hang back and wait for a relatively wide spot on the trail if possible then say "Hey guys, mind if I pass on your left/right real quick?". Or if there's already space to pass, I usually just say "Hey guys, just a heads up, I'm coming up on your left/right" to make sure they're aware of my presence. This pretty much always elicits a positive reaction.

A Timber bell or cow bell is another great option. Most of the time people will already be looking for you and getting out of your way by the time you're anywhere near them, and you can just give them a quick thanks as you pass.

I also like to let them know how many more riders there are in my group coming up behind me or tell them if I'm the last or only one.
  • 1 0
 A friendly call and a smile does wonders for just about everyone.
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 @MisterChow: This. I used to live in the 'ham and rode all over without incident. I was up there a month ago and riding my bike on the Interurban type trails all I had to do was ring my bell once and folks would automatically move to the right without even looking back which is quite a bit different than how most react in other parts of the country, like here in the OR where there is no telling how folks will react. Doesn't say if those involved were wearing masks however which was really a thing there while outdoors recreating.
  • 6 0
 Of all the people I've encountered on trails over the years, it's always the hikers who are assholes that think they own the woods...
  • 6 3
 Not a great story. Not sure who is at fault, but still makes no sense to me why so many hikers go to multi-use trails when there are so many hiking only trails. In my area, hiking only trails outnumber multi-use trails 3 to 1 and so much better for hiking. When I go hiking, I go to hiking only trails because I prefer no bikes buzzing around. Seems like an easy fix for the hikers especially if they don't like bikes.
  • 2 0
 That place is multi use but more for horses and hikers, mostly sucks because it gets really muddy. There is plenty of mtb trails not far from there.
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 @joelsman: Are there hiking only trails close by?
  • 7 0
 "pick a knife and be a Dake about it"
  • 5 0
 He tried so hard to to avoid any dabs, but ended up with many stabs. I blame Brain Park for questioning the climber has the right of way rule, we see now who was listening.
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 www.youtube.com/watch?v=voNqjCAy6Sg

I avoid all the local trail systems with multi-use/bi-directional trails. I stick to dirt jumps and bike parks. It means I usually have to drive 1.5 to 2.5 hours away for fun..but it's worth it to me.
  • 4 0
 I might be in the minority, but when I'm out riding and I encounter hikers, especially a GROUP of them, I always get off my bike and let them pass. Regardless of if I'm going uphill or downhill.
  • 6 0
 Tragic for all parties involved. That being said, I hope justice is served and Mr Traphagen sees some jail time.
  • 3 0
 I thought I understood trail etiquette, but a quick google search has this situation split about 50/50. IMBA seems to indicate that uphill bikers have the right of way over downhill hikers. Other sources including the Washington trail association indicate that bikers ALWAYS yield to hikers regardless of who is climbing vs. descending. This is also indicated in outdoor vancouver's website. I think if everyone is reasonable it will never escalate to this point, but I can see why both parties felt that they were correct in having the right-of-way. Can someone convince me what the correct etiquette is? Does it vary from state to state, province to province?
  • 3 0
 I was mistaken. IMBA says bikers always yield to hikers. This was the only place where it indicates that bikers climbing have the right of way:
www.mountainbikingbc.ca/trail-etiquette/#:~:text=If%20a%20biker%20is%20working,should%20educate%20the%20hiker%20nicely.&text=Bikers%20vs%20Bikers%20%E2%80%93%20uphill%20traffic,on%20a%20two%2Dway%20trail.
  • 5 0
 I've got visions of the black knight on a Mountain bike #monthpython #healingvibes
  • 7 1
 You know, maybe the Avengers were wrong and Thanos was right all along...
  • 5 0
 We are finally feeling the effects of the late night "Low T" television ads!
  • 7 0
 humanity is fucked
  • 4 0
 I blame aliens Wink
  • 8 2
 Biker was probably in agro Strava mode going for a PR or KOM.
  • 4 0
 But nearly logged a DOA
  • 6 1
 Bikes yield to hikers Bikes yield to horses Hikers yield to horses Everyone yields to man with a knife. Even the horse.
  • 7 3
 Yes! 'Murica!
Land of the freedumb and liburteee.
Anyone up north want to adopt a 46 year old American who is embarrassed on a daily basis by his country?
  • 6 2
 if both parties were old white men it can be very confusing as to who has right of way, since they both must naturally be entitled to it
  • 2 0
 Sharing trails with people who don’t ride bikes can definitely be frustrating when they confront you and are aggressive but the best thing to do is to be very polite and just do what they ask because 30 seconds later you’re not gonna see them anymore
  • 2 0
 I m not encouraging knifing of mountain bikers, but I can't imagine being out on a hike (which I never do, by the way), and some F asking me to get the F out of the way because I have a "really technical climb" I want to do. Whenever I see anyone going down or up, I try to get out of the way to let them better enjoy their ride/hike. How 'bout we all just try to do what's best for other and I think things will all work out. If you have a really bitchin' technical climb you want to do, just wait til there's no more hikers.
  • 3 1
 I never could understand how come bikes are always the bad in this kind of scenario,if wile riding my bike and I ear a moto I just slow down and try to stay as far for the side as possible on the trail ,trail runners (the beginners ones are the worst ,so full of them selfs ,like they are doing something extraordinary that nobody can ,some bikers are also like that ),most of them just doesn’t care for you ,like if they just slow down or stop for 4 seconds you can pass by them in security,cause most new people to the sport of mtb don’t have the skills to sometimes slow down in a secure way ,why is the bike scene always the underdog in almost every thing and every where ,like I ride some trails made for bikes (not exclusive,but made by bikers),and if people start to walk,run,seat in the middle of them ,now I have no right to ride them cause they make them them so you are now a prick a terrorist,etc.,and now with this COVID thing people are like growing on every piece of trail ,but without any manners and the worst without any knowledge of walking ,running in the woods,like their are only the ones in that woods ,they discovered the out side ,and now they are like a plague,it’s trash on the ground like I never seen before ,dogs running without a leach,and some are big dogs,and the people that take “care”,of that same woods ,are encouraging more people to go to that places ,without giving a shit what they do in there ,because it stays well in their curriculum,I don’t any thing against nobody but f*ck why do I have to always be marginalized whenever I’m on a mtb ,WHY ?it’s the bikers ,it’s the runners ,it’s the horses,it’s the dogs ,it’s this it’s that ,I’m always careful and polite with other users in and of the trails ,and when I say ,careful cause there are riders going down that trail ,they look at me like a crazy person ,people have no perception of things ,how could people walk on fire roads occupying all the road from one side to the other like that road was meant to them ,it could come a car a motor bike ,a cart ,a cyclist,and the supposed guides don’t tell them to let’s form a cue in one side of the road and go on a line ,no it’s 20/30 and if you warned them that you want to pass they just don’t give a f*ck about you ,it’s like you as a mountain biker are always the bad in all situations,OK NO MORE Smile )))))
  • 5 0
 Quote from Man Stabbed:

"What are you gonna to do? Stab me?"
  • 4 0
 I carry a knife, but I would never think of stabbing someone! We should check if the old guy was on too many meds.
  • 2 0
 Or too little lol.
  • 4 0
 Rumour is he was riding a Kona deluxe of which the model name has escaped my mind
  • 6 1
 "2 More Californians move to Bellingham ,,, hilarity ensues.
  • 3 0
 If the rider was riding a Pivot Switchblade, then can the hiker claim "The mountain biker was on top of me with a switchblade, so I had to defend myself"
  • 5 0
 Some people grow older, but never wiser...
  • 4 0
 Maybe he would have had a fighting chance if he had been a roadie with a Specialized Shiv
  • 1 0
 Well I was always amazed at how polite and a reasonable people were when they met on trails in videos of Sedona etc but it only takes 2 idiots to meet (probability dictates it will eventually happen somewhere sometime) to be the exception.
  • 4 1
 Glad, no one had a gun. Old angy men stabbing and throwing bikes around. Jeez. What happend to „thank you. A nice day to you too.“?
  • 5 0
 Ban Hikers!! They are dangerous with the weapons they all carry
  • 1 0
 @pakleni: FYI: the term baby boomer does not infer west coast. it refers to the generation born in the 1950s because the US economy was "booming" and lots of people were gettin-it-on in their oversized bench-style back seats of their shag-wagons. it is a temporal reference, not geographical.
  • 2 0
 FYI WW2 ended and a lot of lonely soldiers returned home, 9 months later a baby boom, shit ton of kids born from 45-55. They built station wagons to accommodate all those rugrats!
  • 1 0
 One side of me wants American riders to start carrying handguns to ward off psychopaths like these, another side of me wants hikers to understand that their mobility is far greater than a cyclists, especially on technical climbs, but the true me is just happy that the old fucks are dying off and going to jail.
  • 1 0
 I want a handlebar mount for my gun! THATS MUH RIGHT.
  • 2 0
 I know Dake and have spent time fishing with him although it’s been more than a few years. It’s really sad that things come to this. I don’t think this is something to joke about.
  • 1 0
 always some tuff guy in the parks, for some reason they act if you ride on a paved road you are commiting murder!, then they commit the murder! stabing people??..they say you can carry a weapon in parks and people still do, and thats why i still do! stupid sytem we live in
  • 1 0
 Senseless trail violence. No excuse! Please, please remember I.M.B.A. trail etiquette. When you encounter pedestrians (hikers AND equestrians), stop and dismount. Hikers ALWAYS have the right of way. I am a veteran mountain biker from the late eighties. ALWAYS yield. We are trying to keep a good rapport with other trail users. "Clipped in" is a lame ass excuse. If you don't know how to unclip, use flats. If you don't know trail etiquette, stay off the trails. Still no excuse for violence.
  • 4 1
 I don't wear protection on my local (mostly unauthorised) trails for protection from the rocks and trees...
  • 1 0
 You don't find it grabby during the pedally bits?
  • 4 0
 Rat trap pedals could have come in handy . . . Lol!
  • 3 0
 Was that covered in the most recent podcast? Gotta go back and listen again.
  • 4 0
 What the actual fuck. I just hope the biker is going to be alright.
  • 10 5
 Boomers need to chil!!!
  • 3 0
 Jesus! I read the headline in the feed and instantly thought, “Kazimer got stabbed?!”
  • 4 1
 If only we had a podcast about who has the right of way on multi directional trails.
  • 4 0
 Doesn't that new Levo have an anti knife attack feature included for $15k?
  • 4 0
 Can't we all just get along?
  • 3 0
 Biker didn’t have a phone with him. That is why he didn’t call 911 himself and left the scene.
  • 3 0
 On point man! I'm surprised this wasn't the first thing posted. Vandeman attacked a biker (unprovoked) with a saw in Norcal, must have been nearly 20 years ago. Still, there is a pattern of hiker violence toward bikers, including this and the infamous Tanika Kraal booby-trapping trails in North Vancouver. She was found guilty, and eventually moved out of the area. I have yet to hear any stories of mountain bikers going out of their way to assault hikers.
  • 5 1
 California keeps creeping into Bellingham more each day.
  • 3 0
 I can't be the only one to find it remarkable this occurred within a week of the 'Right of Way' podcast.
  • 2 0
 It happened a week or so before the podcast. And hence may have inspired the podcast.
  • 3 0
 Being a resident of WA, this sounds 100% like something a Washingtonian hiker and mountain biker would argue over.
  • 2 0
 Refreshing to see somebody *not* shitting on Californians. None of us choose where we're born.
  • 1 1
 Old guys group at coffee: Hey Dake whatdya do last week? ,,,, Ohh I shanked some jackass mt biker who told us to move off the trail me and the bridge group were just walkin' down. Paul gabbed his bars and then all hell broke loose. I ended up on the ground wohim
  • 5 1
 knifes need background checks
  • 3 0
 when ill be almost 70 i gladly get stabbed while hiking/biking. sounds better then slowly dying in bed
  • 2 1
 Rage Against the Machine We no actually a couple of overly entitled old folks in nature having an angry fight. When I see other user group s I stop smile and wave. Most mountain bikers behave this way.
  • 2 0
 New industry trend coming soon: OneUp Components Steerer Tube Stabby Tool and/or Specialized SWAT Quick Prick Trail Right of Way attachment.
  • 1 0
 At night and in sketchy urban+forest areas, I carry rapidly deploy-able OC spray can on the handlebar in an old-school cell phone velcro pouch. Has saved my bacon from dogs, coyotes, and humans. Fog and split.
  • 6 2
 Stabbing news
  • 8 0
 The reporting was a cut above the rest. They really sliced through to the detail.
  • 2 2
 @Richridesmtb: It sure is a blow to the MTB'ing world
  • 6 1
 Filled with pointed language.
  • 1 0
 Penetrating insight!
  • 4 1
 Good god these were full grown adults involved in this shit! Pathetic.
  • 7 0
 They are so old that they would have shrunk from when they were fully grown.
  • 1 0
 @BigAlfonz: TRUTH!
  • 4 5
 So this is what people get up to in retirement then. Go get a voluntary job in a Covid healthcare facility, vaccination centre or anything related to helping the world get out of this pandemic so those who actually want and deserve to be out biking or hiking, can do so. What a bunch of losers, regardless of who's side of the story is correct.
  • 3 0
 Senior citizen on senior citizen violence, what is this world coming to
  • 4 0
 When you're a Jet, You're a Jet all the way. From your first cigarette. To your last dyin' day
  • 3 0
 Menkind did not work. At all.
  • 5 2
 Why are old guys so stubborn
  • 4 0
 Kids these days...
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 punks
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 @baca262: I blame their parents and the liberal media.
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 Plot of Grumpy Old Men 3 sounds wild
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 April's fool coming early this year...
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 Wonder if he was riding a Kona Stab Deluxe?
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 Was the cyclist on a Kona Stab?
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 Other flash points that are becoming more common: ebikers expecting right of way on single track climbs and trail dogs expecting right of way.
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 What kind of bike was it? We need more info, if it was an ebike that changes everything Smile
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 What is wrong with that generation?
So violent and so entitled. Haha
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 Hikers always yield to me and big thanks is given and have a good day. Hikers always have the right of way on multi-use trails but this one is crazy. Sounds premeditated.
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 The guy was 69, Nice.
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 'Scuse me bra, I'm on a PR, don't know if you noticed." - Chaz
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 Has anyone seen RC lately?
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 Hey PinkBike you cant get mad at people for showing the guys business if you name him in the article. Maybe a bad idea
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 60 year olds dukin it out on the trail...I smell viagra
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 This is some serious old guy shit. If you ever see a couple old guys in their 60s get after it, best not to stick your hand in. Might get bit.
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 With "a group of hikers" available, self defense is a bullshit excuse for stabbing the rider.
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 Pinkbike writes article about dumb pissing match escalating. Immediately commenters get into pissing matches with each other.
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 Did we find out who technically had the right-of-way? Has nothing to do with the attempted murder, but might be useful information
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 Hmm...interesting pinkbike podcast from last week. Who has the right of way. Escalation management at its best.
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 Illegal knife?!?! Did you misplace your assault rifle?
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 Was it even the US?
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 A lot of people taking stabs at motives, hard to cut through the bs. Knife
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 Mountain Bike: :"None of this makes sense"

E-Bike: " I would have stabbed the rude Cali douchebag too"
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 Probably thought they were in the Yellowstone “zone of death” and could get away with it.
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 God bless America
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 I don't understand it. It's a shared trail. I would have just dismounted my bike and let the hikers go past. Bikers should never expect a hiker to yield.
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 60 year old's are just gangster these days
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 66 and 69 years old? So, wise men, then?
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 This could either be an exaggeration or the victim is rolling with a stab
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 "I don't get mad, I get stabby."

~ Fat Tony.
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 Dang.. too late to the party to mention his guitar link...
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 Somehow, this is Brian Park's fault. Case closed.
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 Most deadly weapon gets the right of way.
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 Odd, they didnt mention either parties race. Its always important make it about race these days.
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 I hope someone updates trailforks to update this new obstacle and heightened trail difficulty
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 I think the real question is, did the guy finish his ride?
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 That's sime aggro 60 + ers. Dang, I feel like I'm getting mellower as I age these guys must be a pleasure to be around.
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 " be Nice stab high"
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 Those aren’t stab wounds, they’re speed holes. You know, to reduce wind resistance and all.
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 Nothing weighs less than a hole.
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 Nice place to ride. Yum yum!!
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 Haha! 69....
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 I guess the hiker didn’t listen to the podcast.
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 I’m guessing it’s the same loud mouthed old dude with the janky setup that screamed in my face “DOWNHILL” multiple times as I was climbing a shitty climb on Galbraith and he was coming down. I hope so!
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 Hikey hikey go knifey knifey to bikey bikey
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 Great, and now we can witness in real time the arms race of the trial users in America.
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 boomer vs boomer
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 Zoomers shooting 10 people is no comparison to two boomers fighting. Zoomers in mom's basement should be quiet.
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 Doesn't everyone have a friend who is a little stabby?
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 69 and 66,it is a joke?
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 punter vs punter........this is awesome! CM!
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 All this could be avoided with more DH specific trails Wink
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 Monkeys with shoes... and knives... and guns.
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 Fucken whitefellas
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 some people forget that hikers have the right of way
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 move aside and let the mango through
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 Ok didn't see this one "did they 69"?
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 Isn't that a case of elder abuse???
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 I think this was all staged by a bunch of selfish seniors trying to keep the trails for themselves. It worked since Bellingham is now off the list of biking destinations for me - a little too dangerous.
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 I hope the too dangerous part was sarcasm.
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 So much for The Land of Subdued Excitement...
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 Outside city limits.
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 @ashlemon: Yeah, but Mr. Stabby is a b-ham resident. And if he had been county, other dude woulda died in a hail of bullets.
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 @geephlow:

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

Robert A. Heinlein
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 @ashlemon: Heinlein didn't get a chance to watch Americans on YouTube or in Comments sections.
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 Bikers should yield to hikers unless it’s a bike trail ...
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 BAIZUO
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 Chat shit get poked
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 KOM DOWN FOLKS
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 old geezers lol
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 America f*&k yeah
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 Says the guy from the knifing capital of the world.
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 @bchampig: that's only cause we can't get guns
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 Horrible story, but why did you include the hiker's name?
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 You mean the attempted murderer?
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 @ashlemon: That's for a court to decide and his name is not relevant for a public news report. I don't know if PB is committed to any code of media or press code of ethics but I would hope so.
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 @martn: In north America names are included as part of public police reports, as it's already published public information theres no harm in sharing it or no law to stop anyone from doing so.
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 @matjtom90: I do think there is harm in sharing it. And even if we were to argue that (the harm), I can't think of any benefit of including the name. I don't think the fact that the police report includes it is a good reason. Neither is the law.
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 Ban high capacity assault knives! If you make the knives illegal they will not be used for crime.......
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 Just imagine if they were both out with their AR-15s, im sure it would have gone much more amicably.

Then we would be taking about a dead biker and someone claiming self defense as an armed gunman approached. But on the upside he could probably get nine more bikers before the cops got to him.

Is that the response you are trolling for?
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 @RonSauce: Yeah, ban all those devices that shoot out 50 knives per minute
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 Grumpy old men
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 Ban all assault knives!!!!!
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