Mystery Downhill Fork Spotted in the Devinci Pits

Aug 2, 2017
by Richard Cunningham  
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PB photographer Matthew Delorme photographed a yet-to-be-seen downhill fork being wired up for data acquisition at Lenzerheide in the Team AB Devinci pits. The manufacturer of the fork requested that we withhold their name, but offered up enough information to throw tech geeks a bone.

The official word is that the fork is a "three-position" design (I have no idea what that means, beyond speculating that its stroke can be adjusted to suit 26, 27.5 or 29-inch wheels). It's an air-sprung fork and the dual air valves on the spring side fork cap hint that there is a secondary bottom-out chamber inside, like the Manitou IRT and similar aftermarket retrofits for popular air-sprung forks. Its designer says that the fork can be tuned in less than five minutes to quickly adapt to changing track conditions. The damper side seems straightforward with high and low-speed dials.


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Dual air valves could control the negative and positive sides of the air spring, but more likely, it's an adjustable bottom-out chamber.
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Sparse control dials, probably for high and low-speed compression. The look is very Italian, but they could be one-off machined parts.

They have been testing the fork at the World Cups, presumably with Devinci AB team riders, and using data acquisition to bring the fork up to speed. Look closely at the images and the CNC machining is evident in the crowns. The fork caps and damping adjustment dials, however, look finished, although sparsely styled. Officially, the lower design is not set in stone, but that may not be true, because those wrap graphics are used commercially to mask profiles and design elements from curious photographers and copycats when seen in public. An interesting clue may be the bike's shock, an EXT Arma HBC shock, made by Extreme Shox, but once again, that is hearsay. All will be revealed, it seems, at Val di Sole, where the manufacturer plans to make their big announcement.

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I know I have seen that wrap-around arch before...
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Is that an odd shaped nut or a dial below the spring-side?

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The shock is an Arma HBC from Extreme Shox.

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Imagine trying to silence all of those wires.
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The designers say they have been testing at World Cups

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Fixing the fork position sensor. CNC-machining marks are evident on the fork crowns.



163 Comments

  • + 129
 So Formula then, judging by the design of the caps..
  • + 5
 ...was about to post the same Wink
  • + 20
 Having had 35's from Formula, there is no doubt that these are Formula's.. Also the purple o-ring..
  • - 3
 most likely, given the
"looks italian". I thought DGR was SRAM-sponsored however?
  • + 6
 yep, the anncouncement at the Italian WC would also fit to Formula
  • + 6
 @philstone: And the brand of the brakes
  • + 6
 @riish: A team sponsored by Devinci, not necessarily DRG Wink
  • + 1
 @Ploutre: oh, that makes far more sense! should have read a little more carefully Wink
  • + 1
 @riish: In your defense, the headline literally says "Devinci Pits." I came to the comments trying to figure out how that works when Devinci pulled their factory team. Anybody know what team this is(DRG maybe from what you said?) These could even be just bought on the market if the team didn't get a frame sponsor this year, it's not unheard of.
  • + 6
 There isn't a Devinci Global Racing team this year.
  • + 3
 RST, no doubts.
  • + 1
 @groghunter: afaik ab devinci is actually a semi- factory team, beeing the only one directly sponsored by Devinci
  • + 1
 @chainzuck: EXT is also Italian even if in UK is know for stendec that import it.
  • + 15
 Leonardo da Vinci, was, of course, also Italian.
  • + 1
 Formula for sure... the caps, the arch design, even the small negative machining around the lower clamp is the same as the Selva.
  • + 2
 @groghunter: ArgentinaBike (AB) Devinci Italy Wink
www.facebook.com/abdevinciitaly

they are sponsored by EXT and Formula....almost full italian team.
  • + 5
 Hit the nail on the head it's a Formula fork and it's old news Vital did a bit on this fork at the very beginning of the season. #clickbait
  • + 1
 ...which I have seen at the WC in Leogang and I guess it was there a few WC´s before
  • + 1
 @listeryu: exactly- a few of the riders including juniors were running this at fort William (I had the job of attaching a transponder chip to the fork of every bike) and when I asked the mechanics what brand they wouldn't say
  • + 1
 the tech dude is Luca from Formula, ahaha
  • + 1
 @fssphotography: BOS suspension, top caps are similar only to their new inverted fork
  • + 2
 @endlessblockades: No, he was a green, american turtle!!
  • + 1
 @Richard Cunningham This was already at vallnord world cup, I wondered why this hadn´t showed up yet.
  • + 1
 @groghunter: Devinci being a Canadian brand (also based in Quebec) it would make sense that they had a presence at MSA for the only Canadian stop on the circuit this year.
  • + 105
 I also have an odd shaped nut
  • + 44
 Do you service it regularly to keep fluid levels accurate with a good few pumps?
  • + 18
 @bigtim: I get mine bled every few months
  • + 8
 @redbaronmulisha: after how many hours of riding ? in which conditions ?
  • + 7
 Might want to get a urologist to look at that
  • + 6
 @redbaronmulisha: few months, I just bled mine...some times twice a day.
  • + 6
 @redbaronmulisha: you are a good Christian
  • + 12
 @redbaronmulisha: must be married
  • + 1
 Question is... Do you ever bottom out though?
  • + 10
 @Klainmeister: married with kids, can't even wank in the toilet, have to go to the cellar and hide behind the boiler. Wifey goes away with the kids, you want to meet buddies for a ride and then for a beer. Suddenly you realize, yes! I can wank unobstructed!!! I will be a man again!

Don't take anything for granted kids, that's all I mean...
  • + 9
 @WAKIdesigns: All of a sudden your name makes sense... It was a typo.... Meant to be WANKIdesigns all along!
  • + 1
 We had the bladder system way before Rockshox.
  • + 0
 @bigtim: never been caught!
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns:

NBC Never been caught

CBS Cant be stopped!
  • + 1
 If I'm doing a lot of time in the mud I'll do a full clean after each ride. @bigtim:
  • + 1
 You can scrub that one in the shower if you have the right conditioning lubricant.
  • + 29
 From the Vital MTB post from the Lourdes World Cup, it's possibly from Stendec (Extreme Racing Shox)
www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/2017-Lourdes-World-Cup-Pit-Bits,10971/Stendec-Proto-Fork-and-Arma-Shock,114607/iceman2058,94

On the same bike too...
  • + 3
 Ahahah, nice.
  • + 3
 Nice find!
  • + 3
 judging by the rear shock, I think this is right
  • + 1
 In Italy it's know to be a formula fork, maybe there's a formula/ext partnership going on
  • + 1
 Nail on the head.
  • - 1
 There is one detail if it really were a Stendec fork: air spring. Dave Garland used to be on the coil side of things
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I do recall a recent interview (also on Vital) where he was continually praising the coil spring during the data acquisition testing with Giant... VDS will be even more interesting now Wink
  • + 2
 "formula" on the dust seal
  • + 3
 Must be a collaboration between Formula and Stendec. Here's a PB picture earlier this year.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/14665207
  • + 28
 i dont care what brand it is all i care about is that they used the same pattern from Ricky's bowling shirt in TPB on the fork...
  • + 4
 this dude is going places
  • + 7
 Houndstooth, it's originally a pattern used for causal suits, back when people still wore suits when they were doing leisure activities (think english nobility during a fox hunt or something similar.) Answer made some bars with the pattern a few years ago.
  • + 0
 @groghunter: like LSL?
  • + 2
 @groghunter: Session 88 also had that scheme
  • + 7
 I atoadaso, I f*^king atoadaso
  • + 2
 I would pay out the nose for a series of hounds tooth patterns in different color prints. Or Argyle. Oh god, I never realized how much I want Argyle patterned fork lowers until today. I need this.
  • + 1
 @Wesley-Swipes: A wrap should actually be pretty easy to make happen if you talk to one of those places that does cars.
  • + 1
 @Wesley-Swipes: Let me add, you could use an All Mountain Style Fork kit to keep it looking fresh as well.
  • + 1
 @downhilldj127: This fork right hurr is for you
  • + 5
 Damn those greasy mustard tigers!
  • + 28
 ... The CNC machining marks on the fork crowns are there because they've been CNC'd Rolleyes Wink
  • + 4
 I thought the same thing.

"Well they machined it, and it is still unpainted metal, so..."
  • + 13
 this is mentioned because it shows that it's a prototype. Typically, production crowns are forged.
  • + 0
 You're kidding... I never realised that.
So are all of Hope's products prototype too!?
Rolleyes
  • + 2
 @T1mb0: he means OEM not an aftermarket parts
  • + 1
 Nooo, really.
You learn something new everyday lol
  • + 13
 PB already said that it's was a Formula DH fork back in Lourdes

www.pinkbike.com/photo/14665207
  • + 13
 That's David Jones not Myers m8.
  • + 1
 bahahaha
  • + 13
 Pretty sure those are made by Zoom aren't they ;-)
  • + 9
 Pffft. Houndstooth. Prefer Paisley myself
  • + 2
 Would have gone for Herringbone myself
  • + 3
 I have a suit in a very small version of houndstooth called puppytooth. And I'm not joking on either statement.
  • + 1
 @iamamodel: I read that as 'I have a very small suit' haha
  • + 2
 That is a serious telemetry rig they have on that bike. Very cool. It is good to see that level of engineering and testing on a bike product. Shows how far the sport has come vs the elastomer days of old. This isn't just stick it on the bike and if it doesn't work, we'll tweak something on the next model. This is real testing and evaluation.
  • + 2
 Yeah, from everything I see, Formula seems to go further in that respect than almost everybody else.
  • + 7
 Campagnolo! Wink
  • + 6
 Nice touch with the e13 rim graphics - Italian flag.. Wink
  • + 3
 The PB photographer only saw this today ?
I have already saw this fork at Devinci at Lourdes.
I even have pictures of it...I tought it was a Fox 29er...
  • + 5
 people in the photos are formula's mechanical
  • + 3
 Even ignoring the italian reference, the way the caps are machined, the shape of the arch . . . . The purple o-ring is the biggest give-away of the lot really.
  • + 3
 How is this any sort of secret after you've already stated they are Formula DH forks back during the Lourdes WC?!? m.pinkbike.com/photo/14665207
  • + 4
 i thought devinci scrapped their WC team?
  • + 5
 Its the italian AB devinci team
  • + 4
 All ill say is i hope it works better than there brakes
  • + 5
 don't know what you mean ! formula brakes are great..........
for 5 minuets
Wink
  • + 5
 @nojzilla: Try the Cura's. Really good brakes.
  • - 1
 Have you ever ridden some Sram Guide ?
  • + 5
 @Whipperman: yeah... way worse than anything made by shimano Smile
  • + 2
 i loved my formulas! gave me no trouble in pila and at 14k long if any track is going to give you grief.......
  • + 1
 @Whipperman: Yes!!, SRAM Guide are worse than Formula.
  • + 0
 "Their."
  • + 1
 @nojzilla: "minutes."
  • + 2
 @nojzilla: a race run is 4 minutes average so... no problem
  • + 1
 @nojzilla: aren't minuets pointy mountain tops?
  • + 1
 @cuban-b: ask Google spell check
  • + 1
 @nojzilla: irony never disappoints.
  • + 4
 Please tell me they're calling it "The Ricky"
  • + 1
 Good to see devinci testing out a different brand of suspension here's hoping they are moving away from the big s brand on their bikes
  • + 1
 BECAUSE you just missed all the italian races where ARGENTINA BIKE (Italian DH team) is running this FORMULA fork since months!
  • + 3
 Extreme racing shox id say. Storia on the back a possible give away
  • + 3
 Omg another air fork. Stop the presses boys
  • + 1
 its gotta be formula. every thing that is measured is also a formula product. but than again..... maybe not..... exciting. i like these things!
  • + 3
 Stunning. Formula going for a DH fork!
  • + 0
 All I care about is which axle standard this fork will be using?

20x110, 15x100, 15x110 BOOST, 20x110 BOOST or something completely different? Enquiring minds would like a heads up!
  • + 1
 I look at this fork and all i can think is Ricky from trailer park boys lol "lets go smokes Trever"
  • + 1
 plus: travel oring indicator is EXACTLY FORMULA COLORED! Loooooseeeeersssssss
  • + 1
 i agree with bennetking and spicy4me thay are the same as marzocchi folks a surprise comeback Smile
  • + 0
 i thing it is from EXT RACING Italia, look the damper, and look here

www.mtb-news.de/news/2017/07/19/ext-racing-shox-rallye-performance-fuers-bike
  • + 1
 Well.. Clearly the new Formula DH fork. It will be presented officialy in Eurobike. Be prepared!
  • + 1
 The biggest non secret in the pits.... slow news day.... its a Formula. They are releasing it for Eurobike.
  • + 1
 Top caps look like Formula, and the rapid adjustment sounds like it lines up with their other offerings currently.
  • + 2
 Recognise the lowers...formula
  • + 2
 That is a new proto from Formula
  • + 3
 Formula.
  • + 1
 It's a standec prototype. It's the Italian National champs bike... Another reason Vital are all over Pinkbike these days!
  • + 1
 Formula 101% le persone nelle foto non mentono..
  • + 0
 eheh qua ti capiamo in 4 peró Wink
  • + 2
 Formula 99% (caps style)
  • + 1
 cant be that mysterious if they took such great photos of it
  • + 0
 I'm sure it'll have some weird offset that makes it practically unrideable.
  • + 1
 The new RockShocks Houndstooth to be the big brother of the Argyle?
  • + 1
 Cane Creek Double Crown ^^
  • + 1
 Kinda looked like Marzocchi for a sec
  • + 1
 Nothing about it looks like Marzocchi if you had of said any other brand id agree but Marzocchi has that unmistakable round crown arch like how rockshox looked in the mid to late 2000's
  • + 0
 Oh my God! It's working! Regardless of who's it is, look at all the hype and speculation.
  • + 1
 new fork standard 17mm axle
  • + 1
 Adu la amin ammu yo
  • + 0
 Pied-de-poule, ignorarands.
  • + 0
 Let me be the first to guess... FORMULA!
  • + 1
 zzyzx??
  • + 1
 formula
  • + 1
 Roll Tide
  • + 1
 Öhlins?
  • + 1
 New Dorado
  • + 1
 Formula???
  • + 0
 It's from Myers.
  • - 3
 What exactly are the point of dropouts on forks? Wouldn't the fork work better if the axle was in line with the fork movement trajectory? (Less binding)
  • + 7
 No. Look back into articles, there was some really great coverage about offset, cornering, and overall why it is so important.
  • + 4
 @kusa: I think he talks about using the same offset, but all in the crowns
and @kramz: that wouldn't work, cause you need the bottom of lower legs free tp attach internals and knobs
  • + 2
 @Kramz: I believe that's an elastomer fork with no damping. whole different world when you have to fix multiple shafts & such inside the fork legs to provide an air spring & a damper.
  • + 2
 @Kramz you're right that offset is offset, regardless of whether it happens at the crown or the dropouts. But my guess is putting the dropouts directly in-line with the stanchions obstructs bolt/dial/valve access at the bottom of the lowers and would increase axle-to-crown height. You'd have to take that height out of the crown, which would then cause interference issues with downtubes.
  • + 1
 @Kramz: Nah dawg, A Different World was a Cosby Show Spinoff.
  • + 1
 lol the guy is just trolling us
  • + 0
 Marzocchi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • + 0
 no tapered stanchions and would hope they still stay with a ti coil as its way plusher than air.
  • + 0
 BOS!
  • - 1
 I wouldn't put money in an aftermarket retrofit
  • + 2
 Huh?
  • + 1
 @stumpymidget: he wrote retrofit
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