Commencal Releases Updated 2021 Clash

Jun 29, 2020
by COMMENCAL bicycles  

PRESS RELEASE: Commencal Bikes

With its 27.5-inch wheels, long travel and completely revised geometry and kinematics, the Clash cements its place as a do-everything bike. Bike park, enduro, chilled or more technical rides... It always steps up no matter what!

For 2021, the Clash changes significantly.


2021 Commencal Meta AM

The geometry has been reviewed in depth. The uphill riding position is enhanced thanks to an elongated top tube and a straighter seat tube angle. Downhill, the longer reach will bring stability when things speed up, while the short stem will ensure a maneuverable and playful bike through slower sections.

Even if it's definitely intended for riders of all shapes and sizes (from S to XL), with 27.5-inch wheels the Clash is a particularly strong option for shorter riders.


2021 Commencal Meta AM


Thanks to its new kinematics, the Clash feels even more at home on the steepest freeride slopes.The icing on the cake, like its big brother the Furious, the Clash features a kinematic adjustment. This setting gives priority to either sensitivity (Sensitive) or dynamism (Dynamic). No need to make any concessions.

The Sensitive mode is intended for DH/Freeride days when you need that comfort and grip. Dynamic mode is ideal for smoother tracks or jump sessions with friends for example, when you're looking for energy and flow.





2021 Commencal Meta AM


Geometry :

• The new Clash is longer: 490mm reach (size large) vs 467mm on the old Clash
• The seat angle is straighter: 77.2° vs 75.5°
• Slacker head angle 64° vs 65°
• Shorter fork offset
• Designed to allow shorter stems (30/40mm)

More linear kinematic

• More comfort / More precision
• Better ground feel and more comfortable on steeper terrain
• Adjustable two position kinematic setting: Sensitive/Dynamic

Travel

• 170mm rear
• 180mm on the front


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Finish:

• The rocker construction has been completely revised to provide an excellent finish
• Easier assembly/disassembly of the contact system.
• Lower seat tube
• Improved to allow a longer travel telescopic seat post (34.9mm diameter)
• Longer maximum insertion length.




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110 Comments

  • 89 8
 nice. Better looking than the Meta, if you ask me (you probably didn't)
  • 12 0
 Yeah it looks f*cking lovely. Commencal knocked it out of the park this year with their paint colors too. I've been mulling over getting back into mtb'ing with a trail bike, and I find trek's paint options this year pretty barf. Though I do wish I had the option of picking frame color with the different packages on commencals site.

Was originally looking at a 160/150mm bike like the remedy, but concerned about bike park usage. I think the clash is going to be my bike since most other 170/180mm bikes seem to be moving to 29. Only concern is it still seems to be kind of a heavy bike, pretty much coming in the same weight as the Commencal Supreme I used to have.
  • 14 0
 @anchoricex: Plus one for long-travel 27.5 luv!
  • 5 0
 I was going to ask you but now I don't need to. Thanks for saying me some time, Hammy!!!
  • 3 0
 Agreed, very clean looking bike. The seat mast looks a little like a submarine tower.
  • 7 13
flag scottlink (Jun 29, 2020 at 16:59) (Below Threshold)
 Looks like a YT
  • 9 1
 @scottlink: but better
  • 11 0
 Also, if you go to Commencals pb account, a certain not-fish fork is pictured: www.pinkbike.com/photo/18953431
  • 3 3
 It looks like a Kona humped a YT.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: Wow those stickers are ugly!!! :O But without them, it is the more beautiful fork ever! Smile
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: what is that fork??
  • 2 0
 @anchoricex: jus go with jeep or Tacoma colors right
  • 1 0
 @sooner518: RS Zeb

@hamncheez: Did schwalbe ever make a 27.5 big betty, or are we going to see a new iteration soon?
  • 2 0
 Love was in the air when I spotted that straight seat tube. The thought of it taking in all of that seatpost insertion from a long travel dropper is so sexy. Wink
  • 1 0
 @thegoodflow: Looks to me like it's a new Betty with Hans Dampf's centre tread sans the angled transition knobs and with a Mary-esque side tread.
  • 44 0
 This bike is very bike. Would love to ride this bike.
  • 3 0
 Well said my dude
  • 41 6
 I'm just here to moan about a lack of water bottle mounts
  • 9 4
 Take a closer look at under the downtube. Yeah, I know, poor excuse for a water bottle cage mount, but it's there.
  • 22 1
 @bicyclelifestyle: I love the taste of mud too
  • 9 2
 @felimocl: dont forget about the trailside feces for that extra punch of flavor.
  • 5 21
flag nurseben (Jun 29, 2020 at 12:51) (Below Threshold)
 @bicyclelifestyle: On an FS Freeride bike, an underside bike water bottle mount makes as much sense as having a place to mount turn signals. Just call it what it is: Fail.

Nice looking bike though.
  • 3 2
 @nurseben: Try reading my comment one more time Wink
  • 3 4
 @bicyclelifestyle: you eat that stuff? I'd get that check out
  • 3 0
 @felimocl: This is a bike for people who don't mind the taste of a little dirt now and again!
  • 1 0
 @bicyclelifestyle: mmm not sure about that, they look similar to their guard fixings on previous bikes...
  • 17 2
 3rd render after the geo table, seatstays bridge is on the wrong side of the seattube. Or just a very harsh bottom-out bumper?
  • 6 0
 Oh I get it, it’s kind if an exploded view.
  • 6 0
 Zero travel full suspension
  • 4 0
 I like the bottom-out bumper theory better.
  • 1 0
 VERY progressive ramp up
  • 2 0
 Software limitation in order to show the flip chip thing?
  • 11 4
 Can we take a minute to look at how bad the value of the clash is compared to the Meta AM, the Meta has got pretty good spec for the price, but on this one, you are getting sx on a two and a half grand bike, which is kinda dumb, big supporter of commencal and have bought many of their bikes, but its getting to a point where bikes 5 years ago for one grand are now effectly costing double, (I know about trickle down, but its still dumb)
  • 17 0
 @jaib06 Sub 3k for a 12 speed bike with 170mm of travel? Seems like a pretty good deal to me (not a commencal owner). Better yet for 3500 SLX 12 speed and fox X2 and fox 38. Pretty solid value compared to a $3500 carbon frameset.
  • 10 0
 Bikes have literally doubled in price in the last 5 years, my wages definitely haven't
  • 3 0
 @foggnm: yeah of course not denying at the upper end of their range their value is incredible, really, it is. but in the lower end of the bikes, its not always quite so, but i guess everyone has differnt price ranges and "cheap" is differnt to everyone, i guess sx on a nearly 3 grand bike is still a little hard to swallow though
  • 7 0
 Love the geometry and how well and nice the frames are made.
I whish they had the two color schemes of the Meta AM 29 also.
Freeride and 27.5" are alive !
  • 5 0
 The value for money for the Clash Race has declined.
AUD $5100 to $5500 to $6400.

2020 to 2021 the components have stayed pretty much the same.
Sure the new Rockshox fork will bump up the price, but the Spank wheels have changed from the 359 to the cheaper Race 33s (that also may not use the new Hex hubs?).

This isn't just Commencal though ... since 2018, Canyon and YT prices have crept up and component specs have slowly gone down.

Just an observation. I'm still all for dealer direct
  • 8 2
 Interessting. The only Commencal with an ABP-like (or split pivot) suspension has been replaced by a linkage driven single pivot.
  • 2 0
 Came here to post that, the previous iteration was more or less a burlier Orbea Rallón R4. This one es simpler, and in theory should suffer of more interaction between the suspension and the rear brake.
  • 2 1
 An ABP or split pivot is nothing more than a linkage driven single pivot with a fancy name anyway, so...
  • 8 0
 Love the blurred out new RS fork on the specs page.
  • 4 0
 Ya there’s two with the fork blurred out. I wish they woulda done the performance elite fork instead of performance though! YT same story on that new shred capra,shoulda done the better fork cartridge
  • 1 0
 First Look at the Rock Shox 38 on the 7th; long term review on the 10th.
  • 1 1
 @VtVolk: First look? I've seen it weeks or months ago on the internet! lol
  • 2 0
 Anyone else notice that they posted two different seat angles? 76.2 and 77.2...I wonder which one is correct.

Either way, looks like an awesome bike! Hopefully they provide more detail on that little flip chip thing. Seems like a cool idea.
  • 1 0
 Yep, hopefully it's 77.2. No reason to be slacker
  • 2 1
 Depends on how that 77.2deg is defined. The 76.2 is the angle of the actual seatpost with respect to the horizon, as shown in the graph. Not sure about the 77.2deg. Chances are it is the angle between horizon and the line between saddle and bottom bracket (when the saddle is as high as the bars). Different brands have different ways of measuring this, not sure how Commencal defines it.

And then these angles are likely of the unsprung geometry. If you run more sag in the rear than in the front, angles slacken. If the load on the rear wheel increases even more when climbing (for instance to help maintain traction), the rear will sag even more and the front will sag less, slackening angles even more. How much this all is depends of the suspension behavior as well. End of the day, I don't think it is worth agonizing over a single degree.
  • 8 6
 Again... No threaded bottom bracket... @COMMENCALbicycles Could you tell us what your reasoning is behind this? Could you tell us how much more expensive your bikes would be with one instead of the Pressfits you supply?
Even the GG (carbon) bikes have TBB... Come on, guys!
  • 7 4
 I think many people would agree that a press fit bb can be just as good as a threaded bb. Conversely, a bad threaded bb can be worse than a press fit bb.
  • 3 1
 @TacosMcGee: I'm not sure I have heard that from anyone on here. Luckily, I dont think they made press fit when my newest frame was made (2010) so I don't have to worry about it yet.
  • 2 1
 @TacosMcGee: thank you for clearing that up once and for all!
  • 5 2
 Riding a 2017 Meta AM 4.2 here, ridden hard and lots of kms and the original PF BB still works great. Smooth, tight, no creaking whatsoever. I'd get another in a heartbeat.
  • 6 1
 @TacosMcGee: the Press fit bottom bracket on the giant I had for 5 years was absolutely flawless across two bearings
  • 4 2
 Agreed. Love the look of this thing but will never buy a press fit bb bike again. I've only owned one and that was enough. There's a reason why even specialized went back to threads.
  • 6 1
 @friendlyfoe: same here, from an engineering point of view, all bearings are press fit, the only reason you get the creaking is if the bb shell isnt prefectly round, bearings can actually handle not being aligned exactly perfect.

The main reason this happens would likely be due to welding distortion, which a thread in shell will help to mitigate, press fits basically have been given a bad name from companies with poor tolerances, not finishing the bearing surfaces after heat treatment, and poor assembly practises (not applying grease etc), the actual principle of design is perfectly ok.
  • 2 1
 @ctd07: good info, thanks
  • 4 0
 ...Some of us don't like to use hammers or special tools for the removal of BB cups if we're working on servicing our bikes ourselves (some countries don't have as many mechanics or LBS as you might think; surprise!).
It's obvious that at this point in time manufacturers have found a way to make pressfits work (spin the bearings) similarly good compared to threaded ones, but that's not the problem, or the reason some people might prefer TBBs.
  • 1 2
 You should watch some Hambini YouTube vids about pressfit bb’s.
  • 2 3
 I have no experience with press fit bottom brackets, but I have been using press fit headsets for nearly two decades and they've been keeping up nicely. Are bottom brackets that different? Obviously my headtube is twice as long as my bb shell so that surely matters. Not sure about the loading. The bb may carry your weight but the fork provides quite some leverage too.
  • 2 0
 @DH1977: I'll save him the time and cringe. All Hambini does is states the obvious that bearings are still pressed into threaded cups with some moaning and crying about the real world not resembling the perfect environment of a physics textbook thrown in to make it a 40 minute vid. And...? Nothing he says undermines the validity of some buyers' preference for threaded BBs.
  • 3 0
 Can someone knowledgeable explain why Kona, commencal, put their axle on the chainstay instead of the seatstay?
Is it not a big advantage to have the axle separate from braking forces? Just curious
  • 2 0
 I'm unknowledgeable, but Ill take a completely random guess at it...the ideal situation is not whether the pivot is on the seatstay or the chainstay, but whether the axle and brake are on the same chunks of metal? The brakes should not rotate away or closer to the axle as the wheel path moves or else it will not get full contact with the rotor. The caliper rotating clockwise or counterclockwise as the wheel goes up is another argument that "could" be made about braking while going over bumps or roots, but verbalizing it is too difficult for me.
  • 2 0
 I re-read your question and I don't think I addressed what you were really asking about. Sorry Frown
  • 2 0
 @Jonzi I've been wondering that too. The Horst link patent expired so long ago and while some brands (e.g. Transition but also many others) jumped on it right away, others are sticking to linkage driven single pivot.

It's a strange decision; there are real benefits and zero downsides in four bar compared to single pivot. And it shouldn't require a very costly complete re-design like going to short link or something else entirely.
  • 2 1
 I think its interesting.

The old clash was commencals only crack at split pivot/ABC

This goes back to good ole single pivot.

Ive ridden ABC (session) fsr/horst, maestro, single pivot and now dw.

Single pivots piss me off, they are supple but suffer brake Jack and loose speed in the rough(though controlled) and every single pivot I have had was a rising rate suspension so I had to run alot of springrate to not bottom out constantly in so cal free ride/park.

I also cracked all my single pivots, but thats what kona and cannondale are known for.

My dislike for single pivot was what led me to be curious on the clash with split pivot (as my session was rough but fast). This bike is meh, rather buy a diamondback mission 2 than this thing (considering value brands).

Sincerely an opinionated firebird rider.
  • 1 0
 What are your thoughts on why they made this change?
  • 1 0
 @tkdbboy: probably sticking to what they are good at,
  • 1 0
 between this and polygon n9 2021? (same component range, the polygon is cheaper), im 1.65m (~5’4) i think the small size in commencal is no so small haha, also do you think the meta am 29 is too big ? i had a kona mahuna 29 small but never went into rough trails. thanks
  • 5 1
 445 reach on a small, you what?!
  • 10 2
 ikr, thats way too big for the intented height, im about 5'6/7 and i can fit mediums pretty nicely but nowadays small bikes is what im looking at, for any chance of flicking the bike around, did they forget this is a freeride bike and not meant for racing, the clash has always been fun>fast and they are sadly forgetting that it appears
  • 5 0
 @Jaib06: yeah dude, feelsbadman i'm 5'5 and to get a playful bike for me I pretty much am ruled out from modern geo :'(
  • 6 0
 @Davebob: ikr man i feel your pain, there is only a selct few bikes/brands that actully work for people of not gorilla statute.
  • 4 1
 @Jaib06: agreed, I want to be a pilot not a passenger. Seems way too long for a small intended for freeride
  • 1 0
 Are we at the point where we’ve maxed out geometry AND progressive suspension? Can anyone explain why they would make the curve more linear? Lately it always seems like more progression=better?
  • 2 0
 I think quite a few riders noticed that the leverage curve on the old Clash was a little bit too progressive...to the point of it being hard to use full travel. Maybe that's why they made it more linear?
  • 2 0
 I want every bike they make. This one is no exception. I've had so many bikes..... No clue how none of them has been a commencal.
  • 1 0
 Looks like it's time to sell my upgraded 2018 Commencal Meta AM. I have been wanting a Clash ever since they released the first version. The wife just gave me the ok to get this bike as soon as I sell mine Meta.
  • 2 0
 That wife-thing you mentioned, is it worth it in the long term? Heard lots of positives, but also quite some negatives. Still not sure whether I should get one.
  • 3 0
 Scott voltage.... kinda
  • 1 0
 Geo chart says the SA is 76.2 and the write up says 77.2. So which is it?
Hopefully it's 77.2.
  • 1 0
 Their frame and swing arm warranty is 2 years does that mean it will break in 25 months
  • 1 0
 With those reach numbers I feel like the chainstay should progressively get 5mm longer as the frame size goes up.
  • 1 0
 This bike is sick. If a bike can be made even sicker, it's name must be Furious.
  • 1 0
 Just ordered the 2020 version. That damn impulse buy of mine
  • 3 0
 just cancel it and cop this?
  • 2 0
 2020 might be just a better option to be honest, with the pricing/components being better than 2021
  • 1 0
 @HopeFbn: i just got a 2020 over the 2021 myself because it was the better value and tbh i think the 2021 is too long and slack for what its supposed to be
  • 1 0
 why did they ditch the "splitpivot" of the older generation clash?
  • 1 0
 How much precision exactly?
  • 1 0
 so is freeride dead or not?
  • 1 0
 that is a thing of pure beauty
  • 1 0
 Over 16kg for size small with pedals?!
  • 1 0
 Bet it's a riot to ride...
  • 1 0
 Have I missed all the comments on the water bottle?
  • 1 0
 mounts on the outside of the downtube
  • 2 1
 My future whip for sure
  • 1 0
 Looks like a geometron
  • 2 0
 with the geo, its even close spec wise too
  • 2 0
 with this geo I finally perfectly fit into S size, without any diet haha
  • 1 1
 What are you looking at?
  • 1 0
 “Nice”
  • 2 2
 looks like a capra
  • 1 3
 I think I saw it in carbon version earlier this year. It's called Radon Swoop.
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