New U.S. Congress Bill Proposes a Tax Rebate for E-Bike Purchases

Feb 10, 2021
by Alicia Leggett  

A proposed bill in the United States aimed to help the environment and promote car-free commuting could potentially benefit prospective eMTB-ers, too.

The Electric Bicycle Incentive Kickstart for the Environment (E-BIKE) Act is scheduled for introduction to Congress Feb. 11 and proposes financial incentives to encourage consumers to buy e-bikes in an effort to reduce carbon emissions.

The bill proposes a refundable tax rebate for 30% of a bike’s purchase price up to $1,500 and would be applicable to bike purchases up to $8,000. The tax credit could be claimed once per person every three years or twice for joint-return couples who purchase two e-bikes.

Although the bill promotes e-bikes for environmental reasons, it doesn’t discriminate between commuters and eMTBs. A “qualified electric bicycle” is a two-wheeled vehicle that has pedals, a seat, and an electric motor up to 750 watts that doesn’t provide assistance at speeds of more than 28 mph. (For reference, an e-bike motor producing more than 750 watts would be pretty sporty.)

The E-BIKE Act is led by Jimmy Panetta (D-CA) and Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) and echoes the tax incentives already in place for electric car purchases.

bigquotesE-bikes are not just a fad for a select few, they are a legitimate and practical form of transportation that can help reduce our carbon emissions. My legislation will make it easier for more people from all socio-economic levels to own e-bikes and contribute to cutting our carbon output. By incentivizing the use of electric bicycles to replace car trips through a consumer tax credit, we can not only encourage more Americans to transition to greener modes of transportation, but also help fight the climate crisis.Congressman Jimmy Panetta

The bill has support from PeopleforBikes, the League of American Bicyclists, the California Bicycle Coalition, Bike Santa Cruz County, Bicycling Monterey, and several other environmental and recreational interest groups.

Congressman Panetta’s press release is available here.


303 Comments

  • 1166 58
 Know what else doesn't produce emissions, NORMAL FUCKING BIKES!
  • 113 263
flag zanda23 (Feb 10, 2021 at 11:38) (Below Threshold)
 I mean there is still a big environmental impact of producing and shipping a normal bike. While producing batteries and using not always clean energy to charge them are obviously more impactful, we can't pretend like our hands are clean if we ride normal bikes.
  • 92 11
 Amen brother. Making electricity produces zero emissions at all and is so clean lol
  • 155 18
 @zanda23: it's the American way. "If I can't see the pollution I'm creating than I'm not creating any".
  • 80 1
 @zanda23: Sure but I think @RyanShreds is making the point that hands are cleaner without battery and more energy...
  • 88 6
 You're totally right, but as a pretty involved bike advocate in my city, people are lazy. Most people don't want to get sweaty or work hard, especially if they're going to work or the grocery store or out for dinner. Ebikes make biking easy. Americans need easy. It's not ideal, but it's working. I know multiple people who had NO interest in biking for transportation until eBikes came along.
  • 44 12
 @dglass: exactly, lithium ion batteries are no better for the environment. Especially when the electricity being used to charge them comes from burning fossil fuels.
  • 28 11
 @dglass: I understand that but e bikes are more viable to replace cars than regular bikes are. My point is that It is not like normal bikes are a beacon of environmentalism, and they are a less viable alternative to cars than e bikes are for the majority of people. I know I am going to get hit with an anecdotal line about you and your hardo friends not needing them and having no issues taking your four kids to daycare in your saddlebag, but for most people e bikes are better.
  • 87 2
 I ride an emtb but I 100% agree with you. You get a zero emissions pedal bike or an ebike that requires a consumption of power most likely built by creating pollution of some kind... and the battery will eventually go to hell and need to be buried in the earth.

For the life of me I can't figure out why more energy isn't being put in a renewable battery source. Eventually we're going to run out of places to pollute with batteries and carbon fiber.



But devils advocate... I think they're saying folks that normally would not ride to work will with an ebike. Each of those people takes a car off the road for a few days a week. It adds up. My old commute was 23 miles. Parts of it were a grind. Great for exercise not so great for getting to work quickly... and generally I'd be soaked with sweat. During COVID times... no showers. Not everyone wants to sit in ball sweat and back sweat all day. Ebike reduced those grind sections a bit which speeds up the time to get to work and reduced the ever present smell of sweaty nuts. In short... I'd be more likely to commute on the bike more often on the ebike than not. Devils advocate there.

Personally I don't think rebates are necessary for any of this crap. You're taking tax payer dollars and feeding it back to the wealthy.... I mean for the most part who's buying ebikes and Teslas? Generally folks with disposable income...
  • 16 7
 And unless you live somewhere like Seattle with Seattle City Light’s 100% base-load hydropower, chances are your e-bike will be powered partially or completely by coal-heated or nuclear-heated steam generators, or natural gas turbine generators.

In my opinion, they should only provide rebates or subsidies for e-bikes sold with a solar panel recharging system =)

Or alternatively, provide rebates / subsidies for purchasing and reusing (rather than discarding) used vintage bikes like 90’s MTB’s that are just as fun, if not more fun, than gravel bikes. Reuse of old bikes is the least environmentally-impactful approach, hands down.
  • 7 0
 Lol, More people are likely to get an E-bike because they don't have to do much to go.
  • 60 3
 @rickybobby18: And some folks can't.


Example... my dad is in his 60's. Dude hasn't been on a bike in like 30 years. My brother and I ride all the time and he started reading up on things and asking questions. He just bought a gnarly ebike. Things perfect for trail building. And he rides it nearly every day. Is he getting the work out he'd get on a normal bike.... nope... but he clearly wasn't riding a normal bike. Maybe after he gets into better shape and falls back in love with bikes he'll move over to normal bikes. I doubt it. But either way... dudes outside almost every day smiling his ass off. What more could you want for a retired dude who's put in enough work?

There's a LOT of those people. People who either can't ride a bike 20-50 miles a day due to time or fitness or just don't want to. Put them on an ebike and maybe they will.... or can.

I have ZERO problems with ebikes. Not sure how necessary throwing money at people to buy them is. I'd rather money get tossed into green lanes, trail clean up and building/expansion of legal access, etc.
  • 40 1
 They should just make a rebate for all bikes if you use it for commuting. You can prove it by showing your GPS tracking app.
  • 3 0
 YES!!!
  • 14 0
 Yes I would like 1500 towards my next bike
  • 4 1
 @zanda23: So you only walk?
  • 13 2
 @RyanShreds:

"exactly, lithium ion batteries are no better for the environment. Especially when the electricity being used to charge them comes from burning fossil fuels."

This assumes that electricity being consumed to charge a battery comes from fossil fuel. Unfortunately that's probably more likely than not in the US, while in Canada we have a much higher share of Hydro/renewable generation.

Even still however, there is economy of scale achieved in the use of fossil fuel to power a large generator compared to a tiny car engine. Never mind the savings in energy to propel the weight of a bike compared to a car. There are measurable reductions in emissions in the bike vs car comparison, there is no doubt.

I don't think big brother should be using tax dollars on these rebates however. Especially with the current economic climate.
  • 56 4
 So much emissions talk yet no one is providing numbers. Most ebikes now have a 750 Wh battery, and in the US the average emissions from 0.75 kWh of electricity is 0.7 lbs of CO2. Most ebikes get 20-30 miles per charge. The average emissions from burning one gallon of gas is 19.8 lbs of CO2. Most cars get around 20-30 miles a gallon these days (my truck gets 12). So commuting to work with an ebike produces 28 time less CO2 then driving a car.

Also, calories for riding your regular bike have emissions associated with them as well! Food production is a huge source of carbon emissions. If you ride your bike 30 miles to work each day and then eat 5 hamburgers to make up for the calories you have a ton of emissions associated with your commute! Plant based diets have way less carbon emissions in general.

End of the day, this is complicated, but the more people riding bikes (e or regular) the less overall carbon emissions!
  • 6 0
 Do you really think people who commute with cars or go into the nature driving would buy regular bikes as their choice of transportation?
  • 5 8
 @zanda23: Why replace cars in the first place? Everyone know that won't happen.
  • 5 3
 @onemanarmy: plus the boomers on eBikes won't run over you in a car!
  • 7 7
 @rickybobby18: I have three friends that each bought ebikes for getting around town. One is always complaining that he's gaining weight and asks my advice on how to keep in shape. He then gets the ebike...all three people claim they ride further, so they're getting the same workout as on their pedal bikes. I just laugh at them and tell them they better buy bigger pants soon!
  • 20 0
 @karatechris: Environmentalism is not a zero sum game. Every good thing helps. If more people dumped cars for E bikes which would happen in larger numbers than people dumping their cars for normal bikes, the It would have a net positive effect on the world. I am not saying I am anywhere near the most climate correct person, but I don't feel like I am unqualified to discuss this matter just because I drive to work (which I would maybe do less of if I could afford an e commuter.)
  • 9 1
 @p-m-z: No one said you had to replace your car. But you can supplement with the eBike.

Meanwhile elsewhere in the world, outside the USA, many countries have long since been onboard with replacing their cars with bicycles!
  • 4 0
 @seekanddestroy: My bad, I took the wrong implication. However many people are seeking to take away gas powered vehicles: www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2020/10/22/federal-bill-seeks-ban-gas-powered-vehicles-2035/3726009001
  • 5 1
 @Boondocker390: Ch i na says hold my beer.
  • 10 30
flag FloridaHasMTBToo (Feb 10, 2021 at 12:54) (Below Threshold)
 @Boondocker390: That's why we roll coal. If we're gonna pollute, we may as well piss off a Prius owner or two.
  • 14 4
 @FloridaHasMTBToo: Rolling coal is for idiots but hating on yourself is even stupider.
  • 5 0
 Your point?..If you're suggesting we should be receiving rebates for "normal bikes" too..then yeah agreed.
If you're suggesting e-bikes (especially urban) owners shouldn't receive a rebate then I disagree.
  • 3 1
 @GeorgeHayduke: very interesting read. Haters take note
  • 11 2
 Odd that I mostly see people worry about environmental impact of eBikes, but very few have issues with the impact of carbon bikes or the plastic packing everything comes in. It's almost like they are more anti-eBike than pro Environment....
  • 8 5
 Listen to you throwing a tantrum because the government is making ebikes more affordable for regular people. Wow.
  • 5 1
 @rickybobby18: Seriously how is this hard for people to understand. No it's not perfect and no it's not zero emissions (technically neither is your normal bike) but it's an incentive to get people out of their cars and onto a bike.
  • 2 1
 @windbot: Technically they are making them more affordable on one side, and on the other side taking the money out of your pocket to do it.

The only way to win here is to actually be one of the people who takes advantage of the e-bike rebate. The haters lose on this one!
  • 9 1
 @onemanarmy: nice! good for your dad! you youngsters also need to realize that mtn biking is a hard sport. The older you get, the less capacity your heart has.. you just can't hit those 200 beats per minute and therefore, even being at 160 is probably above 80% of your max. I will be 52 this year, can still ride well enough on a non ebike here in Colorado, yet I feel it.. ebike is in the future, but will pedal non assisted as long as I can.
  • 7 0
 @billybobzia: There's a place for both. Let the haters hate.... you... just keep laughing and having a good time.

I've got a hardtail to go with my emtb and I'll be building a longer travel fully for those shuttle days, park days, gnarlier than my ebike can handle days. Do it all and do it as well as you can. LOL!
  • 5 2
 @seekanddestroy: I know right? This guy here is upset because his government is offering this incentive he sees it as the government stealing from him via taxes. Just imagine being a libertarian like this...
  • 3 2
 @rickybobby18: you’re absolutely right- we need more bikes: electric, muscle or diesel powered - doesn’t matter. More bikes=more trails (paved, gravel, access,...), better acceptance, bike friendly laws, etc. infrastructure won’t be built without much more bikes. Interstates were built only after cars became mainstream. Cleaner environment, less pollution, less obesity will follow. hopefully Smile
  • 1 0
 @TaylorRoberts: It's all about the plant-based diet!
  • 3 1
 @p-m-z: Except that for many people most trips can be replaced with ebikes. Where I live my ebike is used for 90% of my commuting and errands all year long, it's also cheaper and way more fun.
  • 1 2
 @windbot: You must not live in a very rainy place then. I get it for some older people, but I think that if you ride your bike around, you might as well get a workout.
  • 8 7
 @RyanShreds That’s not entirely true! The human body creates many emissions.......methane and CO2 is two of them.

This is just another example of government subsidies and market meddling. I say let demand drive the industry.
  • 1 1
 I've read that the 2008 crisys wasn't so much the subprimes than the peak of conventional oil (which consequently caused the subprimes crisys).
And after a "relief" of a few years "thanks" to fracking and tar sands, we may be closing in on the peak of unconventionnal oil. And it's all downhill from here for the economy...
So now governments are pushing bikes cuz' soon your big gaz guzzling car may have to stay parked.
  • 2 0
 Can't upvote this enough
  • 2 0
 @p-m-z: LOL I live in Vancouver, BC.
  • 5 0
 Not to mention the lack of bicycle infrastructure in many, most, places. It sounds like this is geared towards novices that would otherwise not commute by bicycle to work, school, grocery, etc. Encouraging people to ride their new eBike on the shoulder of a busy road is dangerous. Maybe Congress should focus on building smarter bike friendly infrastructure, let the automobile traffic pile up while cyclists can cruise safely on other routes and those "never evers" will convert, then maybe offer up rebates (and include "analog" bikes as well).
  • 3 2
 @windbot: Welp, I guess I'm just a ebike hater. Why not just use a regular bike and get exercise.
  • 11 2
 WHY THE FLIP DON'T WE GET REBATES FOR NORMAL BIKES THEN?!?!?!?!
  • 7 1
 @windbot: Oh yes. Government can do no wrong! (SARCASM ALERT!!!) If you think tons of people will magically get e-bikes and stop using cars you're deluded. Most are those with disposable income who still use their cars and just get these as toys.
  • 1 0
 @rickybobby18: It saddens me you have a good point.
  • 5 11
flag jrocksdh (Feb 10, 2021 at 15:39) (Below Threshold)
 Idiots. It's like the push for E cars. Ok, so where's everyone going to charge them?
  • 2 1
 @mtbikeaddict: you've already been proven wrong in countless cities across the US, but nice try.
  • 4 0
 Obviously missing the point. The bill isn’t specific to eMTBs and if this incentive gets more cars off the road by incentivizing lazy people to ride a bike, I’m all for it. Seems like a well-planned cash grab for bike companies by astute lobbyists, though.
  • 5 1
 @RyanShreds: one of the biggest sources of emissions is our food production. Depending on the source of electricity, and the lifespan of the batteries/motors, there are cases where it could actually be more carbon efficient to ride an ebike than a pedal bike for transport.

www.bikeradar.com/features/long-reads/cycling-environmental-impact
  • 4 4
 @chacou: yup. And these wonderful city planners keep allowing massive new homes and skyrise 'modern day projects' whilst the roads; water; resources etc. Al remain.same or fewer. All about that $
  • 1 1
 So who is going to get the crappiest eBike possible and slap some Kashima on it to sell on here for $1500? Wont be any waste from the pinkbike crowd then....Biggest issue here is how this is going to crush the bicycle supply chain that already can't keep up with current demand
  • 4 3
 @DonLemont: US is one of the cleanest developed countries on the planet. A cleaner China, India, Middle East, and other third world countries will see the biggest gains in world pollution. Those places are have extremely horrible pollution if you have spent much time there. All these micro-changes will help, but very little in the big picture if the biggest offenders don't make major changes.
  • 2 1
 @tacklingdummy: Yeah, because Americans are so quick to offer their location data to their government... This is a stimulus bill disguised as/ tied to a Eco friendly bill. You are still gonna have to spend close to $5g on a bike!
  • 1 2
 @TaylorRoberts: A gallon of gas doesn't even weigh 19.8 lbs (maybe half that), so it's physically impossible to "create" 19.8lbs of Co2 from it...
  • 1 0
 @mtbikeaddict: just take one then. If this passes, do you think you are going to get audited for taking a rebate on a normal bike? I doubt it. duct tape a motor and battery to it just in case you are worried.
  • 4 0
 @FloridaHasMTBToo: everything I own is diesel powered and none of it rolls coal. My truck could smoke out 6 lanes of traffic, but I grew up a long time ago and understand the benefits of proper tuning, for my truck and the environment.
  • 1 0
 Yes because you still driving one of those pedal cars .... aren’t you ?!?
  • 3 7
flag jrocksdh (Feb 10, 2021 at 20:09) (Below Threshold)
 @onemanarmy: you actually get into shape faster on an E bc it's more aerobic vs ana. Therefore you'll rise more. This is awesome.
Downside? clearly trails are being used more and need more maintenance.
  • 1 4
 @GlassGuy: humm, they should be in better shape riding an E than analog as they should be riding more trail per hour.
  • 2 3
 @billybobzia: get an E asap!
  • 2 0
 @GlassGuy: @GlassGuy: Yeah, this is my experience also. I was initially optimistic to see some non-riding-at-all friends who desperately needed some real exercise get e-bikes, so I was glad they decided to do SOMETHING. Like others here, I figured they'd get a bit more fit and want to ride a regular bike. No go. At first they made some effort to pedal up hills. A year later, they just let the bikes do all the work. Sort of depressing.
And to the subject of the article: Financial incentives are not necessary.
  • 1 0
 @mtnryder56: It is not your real time GPS data where people could stalk you. It would be your previous GPS data. Just like turning in your car mileage data for tax rebates on use of a car for business purposes or company car expenses. People would turn in their previous data if involved putting more cash in their pocket. I'm not sure what the bill would do to prices. Hopefully companies won't raise them.

Make no mistake, powers that be already have your real time GPS data because people are forced to give it to them and accept private policies for use of all those apps and cell phone. The problems that arise is how they abuse that data. Razz
  • 3 1
 @RyanShreads: Alot of normal bikes also get shuttle up the mountain by big inefficient trucks, which are much worse for emissions than the e bikers pedaling up.

I bet less than 1% of the people who upvoted your comment are actually concerned about emissions. Just knee jerk emotional reaction to the inevitable rise of the e bike, and anxiety about the change. It's actually pretty similar to the emotional resistance to 29" wheels on DH/ enduro bikes that we saw for a few years before people accepted the benefits of "wagon wheels".
  • 2 0
 @onemanarmy: devils advocate at least you’re giving taxes back to those that actually pay taxes ...
  • 1 0
 @meathooker: Meh... I see where you're going though. LOL!
  • 2 0
 Amen brother!
  • 3 1
 @onemanarmy: I 100% agree with your devil's advocacy paragraph.
The first thing I though while I read the article was that e-bikes (in any form) really do make a bicycle based commute more realistic and more likely to happen on a regular basis from my point of view. Sitting in ball sweat all day is a big negative!!... sorry ladies, but I'm pretty sure your equivalent of ball sweat is equally grim too.
The cold hard reality of a tax break of this kind is that it is only likely to be utilized by those with enough disposable income to buy a relatively expensive e-bike in the first place.
The real game changer would be if more affordable e-bikes could start to replace car journeys where the bike cost less than the average Joe's car (including running costs).
When that threshold is crossed I reckon there will be Eeebs bloody everywhere.
  • 2 1
 @RyanShreds well said and well deserved PB comment of 2021 Wink
  • 3 0
 @mtbikeaddict: It is obvious that you have not left your own country.
There are quite a few cities in the world where cars have already been pushed back and a lot of people are using bikes, Amsterdam and Copenhagen for example. But a key factor in those places was that the infrastructure for safe biking has been provided early on. Especially the US of A is extremely far behind on that count. As long as a country has plenty of rednecks celebrating their backward view by riding coal rollers just out of spite I see not much hope, though....
  • 3 1
 @jrocksdh: That same old argument has been brought up at the beginning of the automobile age: idiot using cars (instead of horses), where will they gas up?
And lo and behold, suddenly there were gas stations everywhere.
  • 3 1
 @jrocksdh: Yep exactly. I live in California and Newsom put a ban on sale of gas cars by 2035. I like e-cars, but they haven't figured out how everyone is going to charge them. Take LA or SF for instance, majority of the population live in dense apartments and condos w/ no garage. Where are they supposed to charge their cars if they park on the street or in apartment complex parking lots? I have worked in home building, in order to get new electrical line to a new house is an enormous task that has to go through a ton of steps and major construction. Not to mention if the grid can handle it. The electrical grid is having trouble as it is now with only 2% of the population that own e-cars.
  • 2 2
 @tacklingdummy: everybody likes to find problems, nobody wants to find solutions.
  • 4 0
 @EdSawyer: you might want to crack open your old chemistry text....
  • 3 0
 @tacklingdummy: I have been wondering the same thing. I am also confused on how they are going to be charged in the communities without electricity, like in third world countries.
  • 2 1
 @skylerd: so I ran the numbers for my usual work commute for co2 emissions based on my diet and calorie consumption etc. With some basic assumptions.

In NZ where co2e/kwh of electricity is ridiculously low an e-road bike would likely break even on c02 emissions at around 6,500km total use if it halved my calorie burn/km.

Given my commute is 40km/day it could break even within a year of ownership.
  • 3 1
 @GeorgeHayduke: You find the solutions before you start to ban everything and create a ton of problems. If you have experience working with PG&E and cities to run a new electrical line, you would know there is no easy solution.

What is your solution then for charging cars in streets and apartment complexes for high density metropolitan areas? I would like to hear them.
  • 3 0
 yeah... where's the incentive for normal bikes. We should get a refundable tax rebate for %40 back on normal bikes
  • 2 0
 @rivercitycycles: ask any climate scientist about human body-caused emissions, on their own they are basically negligible and offset by the food growing process, as long as diet isn't overly meat-focussed likem ost people's diets are. Food transport emissions are a different story.
  • 1 0
 @mtbikeaddict: Don't you get tax state level tax breaks for bike purchase? We have been getting them provincially for decades where I live. They add up fast on overpriced mountain bikes.
  • 1 0
 @RyanShreds: Maybe where you live, but this is less and less of a thing globally. In the States not so much...
  • 1 0
 @p-m-z: Why not both? I personally don't want/need an ebike in the mountains, but in my city it's the best way to get around.
  • 1 0
 @mtbikeaddict: Where I live it's already happening, overpriced car insurance, pay parking everywhere and clogged streets have made it a no-brainer for many.
  • 2 0
 Almost spit out my cider from laughing Smile
  • 2 2
 I don't think the dentists and rich boys need more money back on their $7,999 bike.
  • 2 0
 @nickfranko: no, but one day you’ll realize that the tax code is meant to stimulate economic activity. Over 90% of the tax code is about deductions.
  • 1 1
 We need to be much more conscious of the grid. Keep in mind that the efficiency of the grid end to end is (conservatively) twice as good as a car. Not to mention local pollution which has been quantified to create 10.2 million global excess deaths in 2012 from ICE particulates. Generation stations while not usually good have significantly attenuated particulate production per unit capacity.

Check your ISO for fuel mix:

Central US: www.misoenergy.org

Parts of California: www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/supply.aspx

New England: www.iso-ne.com

Ontario: www.ieso.ca/en/Power-Data/Supply-Overview/Transmission-Connected-Generation
  • 1 1
 @EdSawyer: Take a chemistry class.
  • 1 2
 @A-HIGHLY-EDUCATED-PROFESSIONAL: The US and EU are not the problems. It is China, India, Middle East, and other countries. Go to waqi.info. The air quality in the US and EU is consistently good. I have traveled a lot in China and some third world countries and people who haven't been to those places have no idea how bad the pollution is in those places and how good the US air quality, sewage/toxic management, garbage management, water quality, etc.
  • 2 1
 @tacklingdummy: While those places are consistently worse, we still need to improve here at home. Just because somewhere else is worse doesn't mean we should let our air quality be less than stellar. The main point is that our electricity producing resources are far and away cleaner than people think and only becoming cleaner. If a vehicle with emissions can be replaced with something electric it should. E-bikes will help reduce larger vehicle use which is undeniably a good thing.
  • 1 1
 @p-m-z: feel free to do so yourself, but don't not everyone has that luxury.
  • 1 0
 @windbot: My bad for not being specific, I was meaning young people. I think that ebikes are awesome for older people look to get some exercise.
  • 1 0
 @p-m-z: e bikers are climbing up trails never been climbed before...this is what's next level. Of course, you can also remain out of anaerobic much longer therefore you'll actually get in shape faster riding and E.
Every DH'rs dream is more downs with easier ups. Especially when those ups are steep as f*ck like Laguna.
I dont have an E. But I'm currently making an E moto track nearby as that's future fun
  • 1 0
 @jrocksdh: The thing I don't like is when some ebikers just motor up past me leaving me in the dust. It also gets quite a lot more wear on my local trails than when e-bikes weren't as popular and being the builder of one of my local jump spots, I know how annoying it is to repair a brake bumped out berm. That said, I think ebikes are an awesome thing to the local trail builders because they have to haul around tools everywhere.
  • 3 0
 @p-m-z: your trail wear observation could be confirmation bias. Since e-bikes have exploded in popularity so has mountain biking in general. My local trails over the last year had 10x traffic year over year. And I didn’t notice a dramatic increase in e-bikes. I do fear the same problem, however.
  • 1 0
 @gnarlysipes: Fair enough.
  • 103 5
 I feel like this is just going to encourage companies to charge more for the same bike and advertise the hell out of this rebate so consumers feel they're getting a great deal. Also, why can't I have a rebate on my normal bike purchases?! Gimmie dat for free.
  • 12 0
 Nah, because another company will have the same advert be undercut them. Then the first company will lower their prices and so on till we are back at bikes being sold for the minimum prices possible to still make a profit. I’m not a huge fan of capitalism but it does work out for the consumer when there is healthy competition in the market. I would also like to see the rebate for regular bikes!!
  • 8 1
 Totally. See it in my industry all the time (agriculture). If there are grants for a certain thing like electric fencing or solar water systems, they magically increase in price while the program is running. And somehow drop once the program is fully subscribed.
  • 1 1
 @kylar: True. But is the market also small enough that the major companies will essentially collude with each other to inflate prices? I'm not an expert in the bike industry by any means, but it seems like a small # of companies sell the vast majority of bikes overall.
  • 2 0
 @bull-dozer: Oh I’m no expert either, economic statements from a marine carpenter are questionable at best! But price fixing is illegal and while it for sure happens, I think it’s usually in less visible industries with fewer players. Like I imagine the large scale agricultural supply marked referenced above. I think it would be a stretch to get the likes of Trek, Specialized, Santa Cruz, Canyon, YT, Commencal to work together like that. Especially considering that the business model of the last three is based on disrupting the model of the first three.
  • 7 0
 This is reasoning is exactly why colleges and healthcare is so expensive in the US. "oh you're getting free money from the gov't? Our prices just went up"
  • 2 2
 @Mattcon20: school system is one of biggest pyramid schemes out there.
  • 1 0
 If you live in Chilliwack, or anywhere in BC, as your username implies you're already getting a point-of-sale rebate in the form of 0% sales tax on new bikes, so yay!
  • 66 1
 Need to have infrastructure that supports cycling first. Too many places in the US that are literally uncyclable due to poor city planning. This is putting the cart before the horse IMO.
  • 14 4
 That's what People for Bikes are doing. That's a HUGE part of what they're doing. They work to add green lanes to more commute friendly trails/fire roads to aid in safer travel. Good organization.
  • 10 23
flag wolfowner (Feb 10, 2021 at 12:18) (Below Threshold)
 @onemanarmy: No, "people for bikes" is simply a tax shelter for electric motor companies like Bosch and lobbying groups to produce garbage legislation like this to sell more batteries and motors. Not a good organization.
  • 9 3
 @wolfowner: LOL. That's false as hell. I've sat down and had meetings with them on multiple occasions.

Reality is this... as a community we have very little horsepower. The MTB community gets walked all over because of attitudes like yours. So hikers and horse back riders and what not gather up and get legislation going to make trail access limited.

More horsepower is available when larger organizations that work within cities, transportation and other variations of bike riding get involved. People for Bikes has worked very hard to make riding safer on the road for cyclist all over. They directly push initiatives that end up helping other people basically jump on the train. Example... there's now green lanes all over in my small community and any new development that happens green lanes are considered.

They also work to do things like open trail access that joins major commute areas to other major commute areas. Making things like 100 miles of connected trails a real thing.

So do they mess with politics? Yup. Do they get paid. Yup. Are they a real company with a CEO. Yup.

But to play in the land of politics those are all necessary evils. And in the end any progress they make makes it easier for smaller communities and smaller organizations to make things happen.

I don't like politics and big money crap but in order for us small fries to get what we need/want... that crap and those people need to be around. Basically.... someone needs to do it. Lord knows Trek and other big supporters of them aren't going to do it themselves. They have their own crap to worry about. So they throw some money at the folks that specialize in what jumps to jump through.

But on a personal level.... I know from first hand experience that the folks there are very kind and have the right motivations.
  • 2 7
flag jrocksdh (Feb 10, 2021 at 17:51) (Below Threshold)
 Dont forget, the elitist of the big cities will eventually ban cars...john Kerry just flew his private ketch up jet to discuss global warming...u cant make this up.
  • 69 12
 Rebate for Proper bikes first please, bikes with motors 2nd.
  • 4 5
 @BMXrad : just take one. If this passes, do you think you are going to get audited for taking a rebate on a normal bike? I doubt it. duct tape a motor and battery to it just in case you are worried.
  • 37 1
 Good idea or not that's not what deters me from commuting by bike, terrible drivers who do not care about bikers is the real problem.
  • 3 0
 True, that deters me from riding road a lot. A lot of drivers drive fast, in a hurry, and not looking out for bikers. Also, it is not easy to see bikers on the road very well at times. I try to wear a light most of the time on the road day/night because it is easier to see.
  • 5 1
 I need a shower when I get to work when I bike to work. Ebike ride, I can get by without a shower...
  • 3 0
 More cyclists on the road means more normality for cyclists on the road. That leads to better cycling infrastructure, better understanding from drivers and fewer drivers total so more cyclists means safer cycling...which leads to more cyclists. Something like this could be the catalyst that gets cycling to the point where you feel safe enough to commute to work.
  • 33 3
 Real talk: I think there's a lot of merit in this, but it shouldn't apply to full suspension bikes. Commuter e-bikes are a potential game changer for urban transport. Sure, many people commute on fully human-powered bikes, but there's a reason the truly dedicated commuter cyclists are a fringe/hardcore group. It sucks to show up everywhere sweaty, and grinding along at 12km/h with 50lbs of groceries on your bike is slow and exhausting. People simply aren't showing that kind of commitment in large numbers. Utility e-bikes really change this. It takes the effort out, and all you're left it is the choice between sitting in a car vs piloting a bike...and bikes are fun!

Full suspension e-bikes are a luxury toy, on the other hand. I think it's fair if we don't collectively choose to subsidize people buying luxury toys, and instead focus that money on improving society by decongesting our cities and using more energy-efficient transport.
  • 3 1
 This is a great point. This legislation is not at all aimed at electric mountain bikes and giving people a tax rebate on them wound not contribute anything to the stated goals of the legislation (to encourage ebike commuting)
  • 3 2
 Captain Obvious would say more people pedaling e bikes up instead of shuttling in big gas guzzling trucks means it should apply to full suspension e bikes.
  • 38 5
 Let's grab some popcorn and wait for the comments
  • 6 3
 I’m just here for the sh*t show.
  • 5 3
 I got the Costco-sized popcorn for this one.
  • 2 1
 @nyhc00: I just jumped onto the field from the stands and became a participant instead of a spectator. Lol.
  • 41 22
 Why are you guys complaining about this? The government is literally supporting mtbing now, maybe this will even grow into discounts for normal bikes. There’s no point in complaining about support for cycling even if it’s supporting e biking. And stop f*cking comparing e bikes to normal bikes, what’s important here is comparing e bikes to cars. Honestly I have never supported e bikes but if they are going to get cars off the road and grow the sport of mountain biking with government funding!!! I say f*ck you elitists
  • 22 1
 My standard for a tax or rebate is not wether it benefits me personally but wether or not it benefits society as a whole
  • 7 1
 @iantmcg: my standard for tax . . . Less is better!
  • 2 1
 @truehipster: I don’t mind paying taxes. I hate waste for sure. I mean I work for a road department. Our roads are always underfunded. So instead of getting the maintenance they need some of them crumble and then they require more expensive restoration methods. So I would prefer to pay more now to save more money in total as I do believe in public roads. Now this is just one service the government provides, a particular service I happen to have a lot of knowledge about. There are other services where I have little or no expertise but I assume similar investments can result in long term cost savings. So while I prefer to pay less tax to me less is not better if we are saddling outselves with long term liabilities.
  • 9 1
 If you think tons of people will magically get e-bikes and stop using cars you're deluded. Most customers are those with disposable income who still use their cars and just get these as toys. Ironic how you don't think they're elite.
  • 1 7
flag jrocksdh (Feb 10, 2021 at 17:53) (Below Threshold)
 Now? Dems are usually.closing lands to rec, not opening.
  • 3 0
 @iantmcg Hit's the nail right on the head.

100% agree that government support for biking is important but literally handing over taxpayer dollars for a purchase is short sighted. Increase the tax of driving in specific congested areas then use these new monies to pay for bike infrastructure. This incentivizes people to ditch the car and get ride a bike without increasing taxes on the everyone.
  • 31 10
 Because dentists need another tax write off.
  • 51 0
 Yeti doesnt make an ebike silly
  • 7 3
 @Tr011: No, but Santa Cruz does, and I'm not sure if my eyes were watering because of the price, or the chillie I was eating.
  • 4 0
 @Tr011: Well done Yeti.
  • 3 0
 @eugenux: no room for an infinity link and a motor, we should be good for a while
  • 3 0
 @Tr011: And hopefully they recognize it would tarnish their brand.
  • 1 0
 @Tr011: on the other website, there was a tech discussion about Yeti wanting to patent something new; that is why I've said 'yet', as I believe this year, even Yeti will launch an electric.
  • 29 10
 Who needs tax breaks...poor people Who can't afford any E-bike...poor people.
  • 10 1
 it's unreal. the last people who need a discount are the people walking into the bike shop for the first time with a pocket full of cash looking for an electric bike. No way to say if they'll use it to ride uphill at that local downhill spot exclusively or actually commute. the coming in rubbing 2 cents together drooling over an entry level hardtail. ya... help him.
  • 16 1
 The bicycle commuter benefit (which was already kinda weak), was “suspended” in 2016. Until 2026.

That’s a 100% zero emissions vehicle not getting the same benefits of people who just rideshare in a fossil fuel car.

But go ahead and lobby to subsidize purchases of adult Pow-Pow-Power Wheels.
  • 11 1
 I'm sorry but it seems like a lot of you are missing the point. For most of us on this site, riding normal bikes is fun and potentially seems like a viable alternative to commuting by car. But the general population isn't like that. I've seen the power that e-bikes hold for getting "normal" people out of cars and onto bikes for their commute. This makes a big difference environmentally. Sure, the US still has lots of electricity coming from non-renewable sources and sure, lithium isn't exactly easy to get out of the ground or renewable. But, getting more people out of cars and onto bikes (no matter what kind) is always a good thing, and for many people cost is the barrier. The biggest way to grow our sport, whether you like it or not, is through electric bikes and we need to embrace that future. Bikes are good, we need to understand that.
  • 15 2
 Like Mentos in a coke bottle!
  • 8 0
 I honestly think that PB does this every few months. Just drops a time bomb on the front page to get people fired up. LOL!
  • 14 1
 because my non e-bike is so bad for the environment, almost forgot. ooops
  • 8 0
 We have cycle to work scheme in the UK that gives 20-40 percent off. Of course everyone uses their bikes for commuting,honestly. Not sure how it works out for covid and working from home, may be a ride round the block will do. It includes all bikes.
  • 3 0
 I like these types of programs. Not sure if they're still doing it but Santa Cruz Bikes used to have a program where they'd give you an ebike... can't remember the brand of city bikes that they own but that one... if you commuted to work on it x amount of days in a certain amount of time it was yours. Free. Otherwise you paid for it.

Pay full price... if you can prove you have commuted on it X amount of days in say 6 months... you get the 30% rebate. otherwise... full price. That'll give people the initiative to use them.
  • 9 2
 EMTBs would be a rounding error here. It's mostly aimed at basic commuter bikes like Rad Power or whatever. I've had an ebike commuter for over 2 years. It's rad. Ten mile commuter with some serious hills is now super fun, gets me out in the fresh air, off the road and I don't show up to work sweaty and gross. Don't knock it till you try it.
  • 7 2
 A lot of people are arguing about E bike exercise value vs a regular bike but the conversation should be about E bike exercise vs sitting in a car or on a bus/train.

40 minutes or so each way of actually turning the pedals and breathing fresh air, even if you aren't getting your heart rate into the red zone on the hills is exponentially better for you than 20 minutes in the car.
  • 2 1
 @Patrick9-32: exactly. And most Joe Blow commuters are...not athletes or even weekend warriors. They're just people try to get to and from work. If we can get more people outside moving, all the better!
  • 6 0
 It's a bill, that's it. It may never get voted on or it could be completely modified and still not voted on. EMTBs could be eliminated and the amount of the rebate could shrink. Now if this news was about the passage of the bill, then that would be awesome.
  • 1 0
 I teach government and this is true. More than likely, it will be changed quite a bit before it sees the light of day. If it sees the light of day. That being said, there was a "clean diesel" tax credit and there was/ is an electric car tax credit so the precedent is there and quite common. The latter is up to $7500 and it scales based upon what you owe in taxes at the end of that year so you might not even get much.

Anyone considering this really needs to know their full tax situation before buying. Any advertised credit is going to be the maximum amount to get people in the door and then will probably be disappointing once tax time comes.
  • 1 0
 Looking forward to some DH and ebike racing this year, tax break or not.
  • 10 4
 What's the point of rebates like this? To reduce CO2 emissions? Are we seriously pretending that people are going to do away with their car and replace it with an ebike? If we gave a rebate AFTER they got rid of their car, I'd be all for it, but as is this makes no sense. Where's the rebate for the normal bike?? This is like giving a rebate to millionaires because they have a prius in their garage next to their 6 other gas guzzling sports cars.

Bottom line....people buying $3k-8k ebikes don't need a goddamn tax break. Supporting people trying to buy a $200 bike for their kids, so they can get outside and be active, would be a much more noble endeavor.

Poor people don't write tax laws, unfortunately.
  • 5 0
 Why do people need to get rid of their car? Simply driving it less is the points.
  • 4 2
 @sino428: My point is just that the average person who gets an ebike probably isn't going to be driving their car less as a result. Realistically, most people buy ebikes for fun, not to replace the commuting they do with a car (some do, and that's great, but they are a definite minority)

Fun doesn't deserve a tax rebate. Commitment to cutting back on CO2 emissions, on the other hand, probably does (hence the car thing).

This was also just a hypothetical sidenote to the obvious point that if the goal is to provide an incentive to reduce CO2 emissions (and moreover, do some good for the economy by improving the health of its citizens) I'd be more inclined to support a rebate for NORMAL bikes. Why are E-bikes the magic saviours of the planet all of a sudden?

The point remains.... people who can buy ebikes probably aren't the ones who need a tax break.
  • 7 0
 "for the environment".........OOOOOOOOOOKAY.


you know what doesn't need a strip mine in Mongolia that is miles wide and a mile deep to get Cadmium and lithium?

a regular f*cking bike
  • 6 2
 I don't even live in the US and this annoys me. Knowing Trudeau he will follow suit or consider similar legislation because he can't be seen to be "out-greened" - but that's not important right now.

This kind of legislation is a classic example of when ideological thinking trumps common sense. I'm all for E-bikes, especially for commuters and getting more people out of cars and on to E-bikes is a net positive, even in a coal-fired power state. HOWEVER, subsidizing consumer purchases is not the way to fight climate change - let alone the "all types of bikes apply" loophole. With these types of programs, typically the higher income members of society benefit, not everyone. Taxpayer money would be much better spent on bike lanes for major cities or even public transit expansion. In other words, spend money one things that provide greener alternatives for everyone, not just those who are fortunate enough to be in the market for high end consumer goods.

This type of program is even more unpalatable given the fiscal state the US (and every other country for that matter). It blows my mind that legislation like this picks up so much steam at the one of the historically worst public debt per citizen eras ever. Just imagine telling your kids that their taxes have gone up in part because they are paying off your Santa Cruz Heckler that you bought 20 years ago. And BTW, programs like this in Canada are 10X more common relative to the US.
  • 4 0
 Blimey...first Pete Buttigieg says. “Look, roads aren’t only for vehicles. We got to make sure that pedestrians and individuals and bicyclists and businesses can all co-exist on the same roadway.”

www.bizpacreview.com/2021/02/09/roads-not-just-for-vehicles-anymore-covid-tests-before-flights-buttigieg-teases-big-changes-for-travel-1027592

...and then I read this. I applaud our American cousins. Has something changed over there?
  • 4 1
 So, am gonna launch a kickstarter campaign selling dynamo batteries that you can attach to your frame, and the little roller will give a tiny electric shock to your leg as you pedal. That'll make you pedal faster so it will indeed contribute to propelling the bike through a motor. CQFD you are now eligible for that program.
  • 1 0
 How tiny? Will the level of shock be variable?
  • 2 0
 @Dropthedebt: The 'VIP' Limited Edition Carbon Boost model will be able to do that, and the knob will have enough increments for you to fine tune to maximize your refund
  • 1 0
 @DabaZei: Woooaaahh...
VIP and Limited Edition Carbon Boost ..?
I'll give you all the money for a zero % return.
  • 3 0
 I agree that regular bikes should be put in the equation as well but have in mind that all electric cars are as well incentived with tax credits. If your commute is short enough to be done by bike it's better to do it by bike than in whether you car is electric or not. Since 3 years in France many incentives for e-bikes were put in place some of them are nation wide others are from the city or region. The amount of those incentives are quite identical roughly -500€ per family or -1000€ if you are a manual worker (plumber/woodworker/electrician) and you need a cargo e-bike.
Combined with the development of secured infrastructures (bike lanes, secured bike parking spots) the effect at least in Paris have been absolutely fantastic over the last 2 years.
The number of people commuting by bike jumped from 2% to 6% (car went down from 15% to 10%, everything else is walking and public transportation).
When this covid shit will be away, I hope some of you will be able to visit or come back to Paris you'll notice the difference. So yes incentives for all bikes would be better but incentives for e-bikes are a great start.
  • 7 4
 Ah yes, while the American family and economy faces unprecedented strain from poor crisis management, we turn our focus on incentivizing people to buy ebikes. You know, with all their wages we won't let them earn, or the stimulus that we've delayed and diminished. You can use it to ride to your job! If you had one, and if the government was allowing anyone but the uber poor or uber rich to work. Liberal policies simply don't work on a country this size, unless "working" is defined by slowly reducing the standards of living until we're all "equal" because our lives are all shit.
  • 6 3
 For what it's worth, I just don't get the pure negativity towards e-bikes in general. I think we often conflate the types of early eMTB riders with the bike itself. This is very similar to the mentality towards snowboarders up until the 90s. There are very good reasons for folks to ride an e-bike including age, ability, time, etc. It's the few folks passing going 20mph up the climbs that piss everyone off.
  • 5 1
 I don't think the negativity in these comments is directed towards e-bikes, but rather the policy of giving a tax rebate to people (who clearly already have a decent amount of money) who buy them.
  • 3 0
 OK, I will say on record that E-bikes have been a help to a number of people. Hell, I will probably buy one some day for commuting. But to say it is environmentally friendly or "green" is short sighted. It may have less carbon emissions than a car while it is on the road, but take some time looking at the devastating human and environmental impacts caused by Lithium and Cobalt mining.
  • 3 0
 Must be why all the Ebike manufacturers are all jacking up their prices, like Specialized just raised theirs on February 1st by $1200 and that’s on the lower spect ones. I saw Trek just raised theirs $500, it’s getting nuts.
  • 6 0
 Green initiative rebates always seem to just be a welfare program for the rich.
  • 4 0
 Tesla part 2 . The market cap of US bike companies will go ballistic.
  • 3 0
 Yep. I can't afford a Tesla but the person who can gets a nice subsidy from the government. Now that same person is going to get a nice Tax credit on a bike most can't afford either.
  • 4 1
 This is silly, the idea has done the rounds over here as well. It just adds to over-consumption.

People will not dump their cars just because the bike has an electric motor. It's not magic.

- It's still cold/hot
- It's still dark
- It's still wet
- It's still windy/dusty/muddy
- it's still slippery and sketchy
- it still requires specific gear
- it's not that much faster or easier, in some cases even slower
- Bike lanes are still (very often) dangerous
- traffic vs e-bikes is just as bad and dangerous as vs normal bikes, maybe more so
- you still have to carry your stuff in bags
- people will continue to nick the bike at first opportunity
- parking your ebike outside shops sucks just as much as parking a normal bike
- you still have to avoid plowing into pedestrians plugged into their smartphones and headsets

IMO, it's nothing more than an excuse for selling more stuff, make more money. Lots of people buy both bikes and e-bikes with the best intentions, and will never use it for the daily commute, and I totally get it. I commute by bike all year, in +30C or -20C and heavy snow, because I hate sitting longer in a queue in my car than the time I use for riding.

And I like bikes. No, I love bikes. (and some cars too...)
  • 6 1
 Yay, another 2000 pages of additional tax laws to look forward to April 15th
  • 3 1
 What are we up to, is it 80,000 now in the Federal Register?
  • 6 1
 sounds like all the big tobacco lobbyists jumped ship to e-cigs and now e-bikes
  • 10 5
 Oh fuck no!!! I know my tax dollars are not going to go to subsidize fucking ebike sales in the middle of a pandemic!!
  • 6 0
 No one mentioned socialism yet?
  • 2 0
 SOCIALISM!
  • 1 0
 Only 2% of Americans know what it means...
  • 1 1
 @davec113: But more than 50% want it. Wink
  • 1 0
 @konrad1972: sure hope not
  • 2 0
 Having an economic stimulus that would help bike shops and reduce emissions sounds like a win to me. Also the more riders there are the more advocates for improved bike lanes and bike paths there would be. Sounds like a win win. Still jealous that I can't use that stimulus on a regular bike. Then again I wouldn't mind having a cheap ebike for getting around town. More bikes please.
  • 5 4
 Just my 2 cents. Normal bikes are more environment friendly and should get a tax rabate, however e-bikes are not. People who work in the electric car industry know that the pro environment argument is bollocks. Building electric cars and batteries creates more greenhouse-gas emissions than producing an equivalent gas-powered vehicle. And the materials used in batteries are harmful to the environment. If someone wants to ride an ebike, by all means do what you want. But don't live in the delusion that you are doing something great for the environment.
  • 5 1
 You obviously work in the electric car industry! Maybe you should use the complete facts instead of only the negative ones
  • 5 1
 I hope this passes, then I can get the norco range vlt and tell the gov't that's now my daily driver
  • 2 1
 Same bullshit as they did in France few years ago - still going on btw - consisting in endorsing young retired and young lazy people-if not both- to get an e-bike to enhance and promote bicycle using bla bla bla...

Meanwhile, try to buy a normal bike - a normal bike I said, not the last dentist fancy - and to get the least help: in your a**
  • 1 0
 This is not a terrible idea, however it needs to be refined so that bike paths and lanes do not become dangerous mini-highways to regular cyclists. This should be limited to those who meet certain criteria such as: not owning a car, needing a method of getting to school/work, elderly people who cannot physically ride standard bikes, or people with injury/diseases that prevent them from pedaling a standard bike. Everyone will be on e-bikes before you know it if they just start handing out rebates for buying one
  • 1 0
 except CPSC never defines what they mean by a motor with less than 750W, and shows a gross misunderstanding in how electrical motors work.
- E motors output is decided by the motor controller and the algorithm it implements
- the motor's power rating is on the outside. If this is exceeded for a long period of time it will heat up and fail.
- Peak power upon intial spin up is often much higher than motor rating
- quickly settles into a max countinuous rated power (hopefully below motor's power rating)
So is that 750 W peak or max continuous rated power?
- if it means peak then this is pretty fast but not impossible for someone super strong to produce on their own
- countinous rated power of 750 W is insane and not even top pros can hold that for over a minute without blowing up
  • 6 1
 How about a 50% rebate for normal f*cking pedal bikes then!?
  • 1 0
 * Disclaimer, we just received a family Tern GSD and I'm waiting on an Orbea Rise so I can keep riding with a young kid at home and tag along with the wife and kiddo on the weekend. Once the little ones are riding age, life will be easier, but until then I'll gladly "cheat" instead of staring at my bikes in the garage on Saturday morning.
  • 6 1
 Electronic Motor Bikes are boomer ETRASH. BAN THEM!
  • 2 6
flag KonaKikapu2007 (Feb 10, 2021 at 16:15) (Below Threshold)
 Hater, jealousy is a bi@%#
  • 1 0
 the Gov't rebates for electric and hybrid autos were given to get that industry off the ground. E-bike sales are booming. It sounds good to get more e-bikes out, but not sure gov't subsidy is needed. However, my work commute would be much easier on an ebike LOL.
  • 2 1
 You know what else uses a ton of electricity? You. It's funny how charging an ebike is suddenly bad for the environment. But your house is somehow exempt? Your computer, TV, almost all of your life depends on some form of electricity on a daily basis. Hypocrite much? Just say you don't like ebikes, and leave it at that.
  • 2 0
 Here’s the scenario: rider straps ebike to back of e vehicle and drives five miles to the trailhead to ride 10 miles. Then straps ebike back to e vehicle and drives 5 miles home.
  • 2 0
 Prices will just rise for EMTB`s , tax payers will just lose more purchasing power .
Government should be trying to work out how to help companies produce bikes at a lower cost and stop medaling in the free market.
  • 2 1
 Tax rebates for e-bikes and not regular bikes. Typical socialism coming out of our federal government. Reward and encourage the lazy and not the hard working ones. I regular bike to work roughly 100 days a year. Where is my incentive Mr. Biden? Could use it to buy new tires, chain and cassette.
  • 1 0
 Why not the same rebates for scooters and motorcycles? I'd say they're probably just a eco friendly an e-bike. 50mpg easily and didn't require a lithium mine to make it. Motorcycles have never met the "image" of eco friendly they like though which is unfortunate.
  • 1 0
 This is great! We bought and are outfitting an adventure van, as such the thing burns so much more gas than normal BUT we can ride places farther away. As such, we want to be able to ride -more- when we get there to make the van purchase worth it but the prices of EBikes are still kinda pricey for us ATM. This would help us a ton in our enjoyment. Ya we have normal MTB and are able to climb 5000'+ a day but man.... 7-9k a day would be super rad!

As for charging them, we have 400w of solar on the van roof so, free braaps.
  • 1 0
 I feel like this bill should have been worded better, encouraging people to get out of their cars and ride a bike to work or errands is great. I got a class 3 Trek E-road bike, to soak up the 60mile commute to work, i'd love to get a 'rebate' for that....but getting a rebate for my class 1 eMTB? not sure how I feel about that.
  • 1 0
 Getting more peeps on bikes (battery powered or not) is a good thing. Giving someone a rebate for a recreational vehicle is just plain stupid. There needs to be comprehensive categories of battery bikes so the ones that are being used to commute and run errands get the credit... not the ones that get put in the back of a Tacoma or Raptor and driven to the trailhead for a shred and craft brew with the boyz.
  • 1 0
 WTF! What about rebates on NORMAL bicycles!!! Zero pollution, AND burn off your spare tyre. Come on!!! I can't stand ebikes! Especially when a guy came into the shop with his fully capable 15 year old kid looking to get him an ebike! Get a regular bike! He's 15!! He'll love you later on a regular bike when he has a less chance of dying from heart disease. What ever happen to earning your climb?! Shesh!!
  • 7 7
 It would be pretty shady and immoral if people end up using this to buy an e-mtb that they just ride recreationally instead of a commuter e-bike that they use instead of a car, because they are actually polluting more than using a standard mtb while reaping an environmental tax benefit. And pretty immoral of Pinkbike to essentially be encouraging the potential misuse of this tax benefit.
  • 6 3
 I ride both e and non-e. I don't commute to work on a bike. It would be a big ride even with an e-bike. However, the e-bike has reduced the amount I drive to the trailhead. Not sure where you draw the morality line, but I think there are recreational users, that with this the benefit, will contribute to less cars on the road to some degree.
  • 2 2
 @MTBJR: I thought about this before I posted and I think it's essentially a moot point because of the fact that modern trail bikes make such bad commuting bikes even just commuting to the trail head. Soft compound knobby tires wear out soo fast when using them on paved roads that those who start commuting to the trail head on their E-mtb will quickly realize they are wearing out $60 tires extremely fast and either stop doing it and go back to driving there or decide they don't care and keep doing it and fill up a trash bin with several pairs of worn out mtb tires each year. Neither sounds like a good environmental option. If it's working for you than you either live very very close to your local trails and probably should have been riding there even before you bought a E-mtb, or you've only done it a couple times and havent yet noticed the much quicker wear rate on your tires.
  • 1 1
 This is nice, however I would happily see laws regulating using bikes on public roads / bike path / trails;
EU use bikes as their predominant commuters for small distances within cities;

E Bikes are superior for within city commute or so;
  • 3 0
 Government doing something half thought through and as a result, stupid. Who woulda thunk it?
  • 3 1
 28 miles per hour and 750w motors..; it only needs a moto style throtle and it is already faster than some real 50 cmc gas mopeds/scooters.
  • 3 0
 The biggest cheaters of all (congress) representing the other cheaters. It’s government at its finest.
  • 4 2
 L. O. L. that is just brutal. they should be giving back 3x the rebate to trail associations to keep the trails from becoming ebike rut tracks.
  • 1 0
 And e-bike manufacturers will get a free-pass to increase prices by $1,500...as if they haven't all already raised prices of their 2021MY vs. 20MY...and then did a "new year" increase on those 2021's again...
  • 2 1
 This is so f*cking dumb, probably a horrendous waste of taxpayer money (sure we will spend billions to get a smidgen back in the form of "rebates") but I will 100% take advantage of this haha
  • 4 0
 free e-bikes for everyone , but who's gonna pay for them ?
  • 8 8
 Write your representative. This is what I wrote:

Please vote NO on the E-BIKE Act. This act would give unnecessary tax credits to purchase E-bikes, to people who don't need them, for dubious environmental reasons. This bill is bad policy on so many levels.
1) it's a giveaway for rich people. Working class people aren't buying e-bikes. This will not incentivize someone who wasn't already planning to buy an ebike to buy one.
2) it will produce NEGATIVE environmental benefits. The environmental impact of extracting materials and manufacturing batteries will outweigh the very small benefits from reducing short-distance car commutes.
3) It will not decrease car travel. An e-bike does not replace a car.
4) Commuting by bike is impractical in many parts of the country for most of the year, due to excessively cold, wet, or hot weather.
5) People are commuting less due to the pandemic; especially office workers who are most likely to commute by ebike.
6) Disproportionately benefits urban professionals, who are in the least need of help. Does nothing for rural people, working class people who live outside the urban core, people who need their cars for work (tradespeople, delivery drivers, etc.), or people who commute in the dark.
7) The bill would worsen the trade imbalance because e-bikes and e-bike components are overwhelmingly manufactured in Asia.
  • 5 5
 This is such nonsense. Spend some time in a big city and you'll see a shot ton of electric delivery bikes and couriers on ebikes. Sure yuppies were early adopters but it's way beyond that now. As for the weather, also nonsense. If anything ebikes make commuting in the heat much more tolerable and the cold, well htfu. Countries with some of the highest biking rates in the world ate in cold climates like Sweden, Denmark and Netherlands.
  • 2 2
 Even better, they could NOT give billions in pointless aid to foreign countries for stupid reasons, give us $8k ebike credits that have to be spent with American companies, instantly massively boost US bike manufacturing and stimulate the economy while also reducing emissions. They could give a second tax credit to buy a pedal driven small generator to charge the ebike battery boosting home fitness, another US manufacturer for the generator and not put more strain on the power grid at the same time. But what do I know, i’m just a common prole with no vote.
  • 1 0
 Ebikes as a car replacement are actually a bigger deal than electric cars. This should probably exclude expensive recreational ebikes, but I'm still probably more likely to pull the trigger with 30% off.
  • 2 1
 It’s nice to a part of special interest group for once. There always tax credits that don’t benefit me. At least this one I can benefit from assuming bikes don’t get ridiculously expensive all sudden.
  • 2 0
 So, the normal bicycles can't get a tax rebate, only the e-bike, why? So does that mean normal bicycles cause more pollution in the US? another Washington Told Feces?
  • 2 0
 Fascinating that Blumenauer is co-sponsoring this bill out of Oregon, a state that recently implemented a sales tax on bicycles. Not kidding.
  • 3 1
 Meanwhile in Portland they actually tax you for buying an analog bike. WTF!
  • 3 2
 "I am favor of cutting taxes under any circumstances and for any excuse, for any reason, whenever it's possible."

Milton Friedman
  • 3 0
 I'll buy myself a $6k regular bike and take this credit.
  • 2 0
 likewise!
  • 3 0
 "E" for "Environment" LOL
  • 2 1
 there is a reason people don't do short commutes by bike the freaking weather.... guarantee this was put up by someone living where it rains 5 times a year
  • 2 0
 Hmm... guess I really do need that Turbo Kenevo for... um.... commuting. Yeah, commuting.
  • 2 0
 So I buy the ebike, get the incentive, then sell it so I can get an actual bike?
  • 2 0
 Lobby list is the bike manufacturing industry. And just what we need is another run on bikes to kick the year off right.
  • 1 0
 Get ready folks: price of ebikes is about to get even higher. Good news for the junkies - 8k+ bikes ripe for the stealing! I wonder how many people will die from this?
  • 1 0
 All for it ! Plenty of hunters are getting ebikes now to assist them on the pack in and out...surly they’d vote for this too
  • 1 0
 Wind powered bikes are the future!.........Get ready to hate on that too all you key board geniuses! I will be sailing by you E powered and spandex riders....
  • 1 0
 Yeah, 1500 for a moped but 3K for a regular alu bike + immediate delivery Smile
  • 3 1
 Give people tax rebates for bicycle purchases dumbnuts
  • 1 0
 Good....that combined with the shop discount...It's almost like buying a normal full squish.
  • 2 0
 This should only be applicable for US only manufacturers, but yeah right.
  • 1 0
 Wonder who they are investing in. Seems like a really odd bill to introduce.
  • 2 0
 Don’t worry, bike companies will raise their prices accordingly...
  • 1 0
 So, a tax break for buying an ebike... Gotcha, even ebikes aren't the easiest thing to get right now..
  • 1 0
 This would be like saying lets have tax on alcoholic products normal, but have higher tax on chocolate..... Oh wait.....
  • 1 0
 Do not complain a U.S., here in Italy they have also given incentives for the purchase of electric scooters :o
  • 2 1
 Just when you thought the Ebike stupidity couldn't get more stupid! How about a tax credit for a actual bike.
  • 1 0
 The tax deduction won’t be such a great deal in Portland, Oregon where every new bike purchase gets taxed $15.
  • 1 0
 Just me or IF I ever buy an e MTB, it will be an enduro or trail bike and I WILL also ride it to work. Why the hell not?
  • 1 0
 im gonna guess that bike prices will magically jump up by at least 1500 dollars soon.....
  • 5 5
 So they are trying to saw e bikes are “greener” that a normal bike this is just stupid
  • 5 2
 This isn't about normal bikes It's about providing an incentive to supplement or replace cars. It's about offsetting emissions using greener alternatives. You may or may not agree with that, and that is fine, but you have missed the point I think.
  • 1 0
 @privateer-wheels: Do the people who already use regular bikes for commuting bike get any incentive for that? Nope. I think the lawmakers are missing that point.
  • 1 0
 @konrad1972: The point of these incentives isn't to reward existing good behaviour, it's to change behaviour and encourage people to do something different.

Not sure the policy makers got it totally wrong. But there are definitely some flaws in this whole proposal.
  • 2 0
 HAHAHA
  • 2 2
 Any tax experts on here? If your E-bike doesn't come with pedals does that mean no tax rebate?
  • 5 1
 You mean class 2 e-motorcycles? I sincerely hope they had the forsight to only allow class 1's rebates.
  • 2 2
 @50percentsure: why is it a emotorcycle?
  • 6 1
 @KonaKikapu2007: Class 2 E-bike= throttle controlled with removable pedals (cranks). Once the pegs are swapped in place of cranks they're indistinguishable from a motorcycle. We currently have a scourge of them on my local trail.
  • 2 1
 no idea what this article said... just came straight to the comments.
  • 3 5
 Everyone in the USA should find out who your Congressman is and contact them to support this bill. Find them here www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative
  • 3 5
 Some serious whining going on here. If I ever want to dive deep into some negativity, the Pinkbike comments are always a sure bet. If you don't want an e-bike, don't buy one. Simple.
  • 1 0
 And why no Tax Rebte for electronic dildos?
  • 2 2
 Eeeb it. The peasant haters stuck in the past may finally be able to afford one with a rebate.
  • 1 0
 Mcozzy. The hater hater.
  • 1 0
 Dad talk hotline, this is Pinker speaking.
  • 1 1
 Gayyyis don't need the grinder app to find dates, they just ride a Ebike around the street and that puts the word out lol
  • 1 0
 Sail Bikes are the future....haters will hate
  • 16 17
 Love watching all these commenters getting triggered over something that doesn't really affect them, REEEEEEEE!
  • 9 7
 Spoken like someone who's trail doesn't have access issues, or does trail maintenance.
  • 4 5
 @50percentsure: Nah, I live in an area with bad trail access in general. Honestly, the more people commuting on bikes, the better. That's the main focus of this bill, not E-mountain bikers. As much as I love shit talking e-bikes it's a way smaller footprint than a car.
  • 5 1
 @dabombonator: Trail...as in trail.
Road commuting is perfect for e-bikes and subsidizing might be a good thing. Tagging on E-mtb's which are used purely for recreation, not so much.
  • 4 1
 @50percentsure: Thanks for explaining that, I almost missed it the first time you brought it up. Big Grin
  • 4 5
 Well with the cost increase of eMTB for 2021, at least I will get a tax credit on my next new eMTBSmile
  • 2 1
 E-what?
  • 1 0
 THE AMERICAN DREAAAAM !
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