Norco Range C 7.2 - Review

Feb 9, 2015
by Mike Kazimer  
Norco Rance C 7.2 Review

The rugged trails that British Columbia is famous for are only a short drive away from Norco's headquarters, technical test pieces full of rocks, roots, and mud, so it only makes sense that a bike like the Range C would emerge from this environment. With 160mm of travel, a 66° head angle, and a carbon front triangle, the Range falls squarely into the all-mountain category, a bike that's meant to be pedaled to the top of the hill, but with more emphasis placed on the descent. There are a four complete models in the Range C line, with prices ranging from $3465 to $7115 USD depending on the build kit – the 7.2 model we tested retails for $5465 USD, and there's also a frame only option for $2595.



Norco Range Carbon 7.2 Details

• Intended use: all-mountain / enduro race
• Wheel size: 27.5''
• Rear wheel travel: 160mm
• Carbon front triangle
• RockShox Pike RT 160mm fork
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• Weight: 29.4lb (size L w/o pedals)
• MSRP: $5465 USD
www.norco.com, @norcobicycles





Frame Details

Anyone who's ever whiled away the hours doodling sketches of fighter jets and stealth bombers will appreciate the clean lines and understated paint job of the Range 7.2 – the low slung top tube, shapely head tube junction, and the internal cable routing make for a clean and modern looking frame. The bike's front triangle and seat stays are constructed from carbon fiber, which Norco claims creates a frame that's 20% lighter than the full aluminum version. Aluminum is still used for the chainstays and the one piece Holloform link that joins the rear triangle to the Monarch Plus RT3 shock.

Norco Range C 7.2 review
The Range's front triangle and seat stays are constructed from Norco's Smoothwall carbon fiber.
Norco Range C 7.2 review
The internally routed brake and derailleur housing emerge from the down tube just before the bottom bracket junction.

Internal routing is in place for the rear derailleur and brake line, as well as for the Stealth Reverb dropper post. We did find that the rubber grommets that are intended to help keep out water and to further secure the lines had a tendency to work themselves up and out of the frame over time. It's a minor, almost trivial issue, but the system could use a little refinement. Other frame details include ISCG 05 tabs, which are used to secure the Range's BlackSpire taco style bashguard, and a thick downtube protector to ward off rock strikes and other potentially damaging impacts. The lack of an upper guide of some sort seems a little strange, especially considering that there's a lower bash guard already in place. We didn't lose the chain at any point during testing, a testament to the efficacy of the thick-thin ring design / clutch derailleur combo, but a guide would be a welcome addition for the additional peace of mind it would bring.


Norco Range C 7.2 review
  Norco's four bar linkage suspension layout has the rear pivot located on the chain stay well below the rear axle.

Suspension Design and Geometry

The Range uses Norco's take on a Horst Link, four bar linkage, with the rearmost pivot located below the rear axle on the chain stay. Norco alters the suspension layout slightly depending on the intended usage of a bike, and downhill bikes get a slightly more rearward axle path, while with XC and trail bikes the focus is more on pedaling efficiency. The emphasis for the Range was on creating a bike that would remain stable and controlled at high speeds over rough terrain, the conditions typically associated with enduro racing.

Norco's use of their Gravity Tune geometry theory continues with the Range, and if you look at the geometry chart, you'll notice that the rear center measurement increases slightly with each size. This is accomplished through changes in the front triangle's geometry - as the top tube gets longer with each size, the bottom bracket moves forward, ensuring that the front center to rear center ratio remains the same, and keeping the same balanced ride feel for all sizes. The changing bottom bracket position also alters the seat tube angle, causing it to get slightly slacker as the frame size increases.




Specifications
Price $5465
Travel 160mm
Rear Shock RockShox Monarch Plus RC3
Fork RockShox Pike RC 160mm
Headset Cane Creek 40 series
Cassette SRAM XG1180 11-42t
Crankarms SRAM X1 w/30T
Chainguide Blackspire Bruiser guard
Rear Derailleur SRAM X1 11spd
Chain SRAM PC1130
Shifter Pods SRAM X1
Handlebar Race Face Atlas 800mm
Stem Race Face Atlas 50mm, 35mm clamp
Grips Norco lock-on
Brakes SRAM Guide RS
Hubs Rear: DT 350 w/36t engagement, Front: Formula
Spokes DT Champion black
Rim SUN Helix TR 27
Tires Maxxis Highroller II 2.30 3C MaxxTerra
Seat WTB Volt Race
Seatpost RockShox Reverb Stealth 30.9mm
Norco Range C 7.2 review





bigquotesOn the flip side, that active rear suspension was beneficial when we were confronted with climbs composed of irregular sandstone steps, and helped to keep the rear wheel in contact with the ground without losing traction and spinning out.

Climbing / Handling

The Range's reach numbers may not be quite as sprawling as what we're starting to see spread throughout the industry, but the bike's 72.8° seat tube angle combined with a 625mm top tube does make for a roomy cockpit when seated. Luckily, Norco had the foresight to include a 50mm stem to go with the 800mm wide Race Face Atlas bars, which helps keep things from feeling overly stretched out.

When it comes time to head uphill, the Range will get the job done, but like a kid that's forced to eat their veggies before being rewarded with dessert, or in this case, a downhill, it's not overly eager on the climbs. Flipping the compression switch on the Monarch RT3 into the middle setting is mandatory in order to quiet down the amount of rear end movement during out of the saddle pedaling, otherwise the shock has a tendency to cycle deep into its travel during those efforts, even set up with 30% sag. On the flip side, that active rear suspension was beneficial when we were confronted with climbs composed of irregular sandstone steps, and helped to keep the rear wheel in contact with the ground without losing traction and spinning out. Maxxis' Highroller II tires also lent a helping hand in the quest for traction, and although they're overkill for the hardpacked, sandy trails surrounding Sedona, they would be a good choice for the loamier (and muddier) trails near Norco's British Columbia headquarters.

While there may have been more rear suspension motion than we would have preferred, the Range is a well balanced ride, and it was easy to perform the weight shifts necessary to keep moving forward through steep, uphill switchbacks without stalling out. Plus, Norco has thoughtfully spec'd a 30t front ring for the SRAM X1 drivetrain, which helps take the sting out of those steep, soul crushing climbs where slow and steady is the only possible speed.


PB Test trip
bigquotesEven when plowing through chunky sections of trail it was still easy to get the bike airborne in order to pop up and over whatever obstacles got in the way.

Descending

The amount of time it takes to come to terms with the nuances of a new bike's handling varies, but aboard the Range this period was extremely short, and in no time at all we felt comfortable enough to dive into the trickiest bits of trail. A technical downhill is all that's needed to get the Range to shed its somewhat sleepy climbing manners; once gravity takes over there's a personality shift that transforms it into a playful yet stable ride. Even when plowing through chunky sections of trail it was still easy to get the bike airborne in order to pop up and over whatever obstacles got in the way, and sharp corners and rapid direction changes didn't pose any problems either, no matter how tightly the trail slalomed through the ever-present cactus and yucca plants.

When compared to the geometry of other bikes in the 160mm travel range, Norco hasn't pushed any of the Range's numbers to the extremes – the head angle isn't the slackest, the seat angle isn't the steepest, and there are bikes with shorter chain stays and longer reach numbers, but by taking the middle road Norco has created a bike that can handle just about every style of descent without feeling out of place, whether it's a flowy, jump filled trail, or something more natural and technical. It wouldn't be asking too much to take the Range into the bike park either – the parts kit is certainly robust enough to handle lift served riding.

The bike's composure at high speeds is also excellent, although just like on the climbs, the middle compression setting on the Monarch Plus ended up being our go-to setting for the descents, providing a more solid platform for pushing into while cornering or preloading the bike before a jump. Left fully open, the rear shock seemed to want to go through its travel more quickly than we would have liked, and occasionally felt like it was packing up when ridden through repeated square edged hits. Flipping the blue lever into the middle compression setting made a noticeable improvement - it kept the bike sitting higher in its travel, which in turn gave it a better response to the multiple sandstone ledges that punctuated the trails.

Norco Range C 7.2 review
SRAM's X1 drivetrain didn't give us any trouble, even after being ridden through mile after mile of fine desert dust.
Norco Range C 7.2 review
The remote for the Reverb dropper post is located in the proper spot, on the underside of the left hand side of the bars.

Component Check

The product manager who chose the parts kit for the Range C 7.2 deserves a pat on the back – it'd be hard to chose better components at this pricepoint, and the bike's brakes, suspension, and drivetrain are all trail-worthy right out of the box, with no upgrades necessary.

• Guide Brakes: On the trail the Guide brakes were flawless, providing the modulation necessary to keep from sliding on the dusty sandstone descents, where there's a fine line between being in control and sliding out of it. We did run into an issue where the rear brake leaked from the SRAM Connectamajig fitting that Norco uses to make routing the internal routing easier - it's worth double checking to make sure everything is snugged up every so often to avoid pad and rotor contamination.

• Wheels: The desert is an unforgiving place, and we managed to knock the Range's wheels out of true a couple of times. We were able to get them straightened out in each instance, but the SUN Helix TR rims don't seem to be the best fit given how hard the Range begs to be ridden. It'd be nice to see something a little wider as well.

• Race Face Atlas 35mm Bar and Stem: It's hard to go wrong with Race Face's Atlas bar and stem combo. The the bars are wide and comfortable, and the stem is short and strong – exactly how things should be.

• RockShox Pike RC Fork : The Pike's high level of performance has been mentioned numerous times, but it's worth mentioning again just how well it handles on the trail. The RC version spec'd on the Range doesn't have the quick three position compression setting found on the more expensive RCT3, but it still possesses the excellent support and smooth, controlled feel that the Pike has come to be known for.


PB Test trip
  Test rider Mark Allison gets ready for landing after doubling up a portion of Sedona's Slim Shady trail.



Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesWith a smart parts spec, good geometry, and a very reasonable price for a carbon framed ride, the Range C 7.2 offers up an excellent blend of performance and value, a well-rounded machine that's capable of taking on just about anything that's thrown its way. Descending is certainly its strong suit, but the Range will still get you to the top without too much fuss, and when the trail points downhill it more than earns its keep. - Mike Kazimer





About the Reviewer
Stats: Age: 32 • Height: 5'11” • Inseam: 33" • Weight: 150lb • Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Twenty years deep into a mountain biking addiction that began as a way to escape the suburban sprawl of Connecticut, Mike Kazimer is most at home way out in the woods, carving his way down steep, technical trails. The decade he spent as a bike mechanic helped create a solid technical background to draw from when reviewing products, and his current location in the Pacific Northwest allows for easy access to the wettest, muddiest conditions imaginable.



241 Comments

  • 131 5
 My eyes and heart say brand new full suspension trail bike. My brain and budget say steel framed aggro hardtail. either way I'm going to have fun.
  • 29 1
 I was/am in the same boat. I bought a steel hardtail that can take a 160mm fork (I run it at 140mm), it's a whole lot of fun. Having a nice, highly rated, full suspension bike a few years ago, then moving to that hardtail setup, I really haven't missed FS. I pieced it with new and my used parts, less than $1600. And zero frame maintenance! And it's a 26er. I don't feel I'm missing anything with 27.5, cuz I have no complaints or "wish it was more (insert issue).." and I can still keep up with my friends. But if I had the cash for top-of-the-line, I still think I'd be jealous if I saw a cheap, dirty, long travel hardtail out at the trail, cuz I know how fun it is..
  • 27 1
 You can't go wrong with a badass hardtail. They make even the easiest tracks way more fun and tech or dh trails a true test of your nerves. Plus they make you a better rider.
  • 30 3
 It's all fun and games untill you have pain in your back from riding HT. No hardtail for me Frown
  • 9 4
 Both, YOLO!
  • 19 1
 Then there is the cheap range: www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/enduro/range-alu/range-a-72

Norco is awesome
  • 4 0
 Shit, meant to + prop ya, ozmike. Hardtails kick ass! Smile
  • 8 1
 Gotta love that Norco will sell you the Range A 7.2 with a Pike for only a few hundred more.
  • 3 1
 I have a trail hard tail and no matter what dual suspension bike I have I always seem to have the most fun on a steel hard tail
  • 2 0
 i want to see blenky on this thing
  • 1 1
 No way I could ever justify dropping $5K on a bike.... Just picked up the last black/green '13 NS soda slope from lamacycles.com for $600 shipped. Didn't need to spend an arm and a leg and I know it'll be a blast to ride. It's almost a hardtail Smile They still have some white ones left for $514 to your door if anyone wants one.
  • 3 0
 I ordered the range 7.2 a with pikes for 28 hundo. cant wait until it comes because its my first fs bike. I rode a fs once and just fell in love other than having no brakes but other than pedal efficacy with a hard tail I think the fs is the way to go for any enduro/downhill riding.
  • 83 1
 Available in any color, as long as it's black.
  • 42 0
 So many bike company's pick the weirdest color schemes for their frames, black is just simple and clean looking.
  • 4 5
 *Not available in any color... But if it was, it'd be black....
  • 32 0
 It's a Ford Motor Company joke. its a famous quote from Henry Ford talking about the model T. @mattsavage
  • 41 0
 We need a shootout on these things, the whole underwhelming while climbing but awesome pointed downhill is getting old
  • 2 1
 @seraph before 1913 you couldnt even get a model t in black hahahahah
  • 2 0
 @TFreeman yeah, I got that, we all learn that in 10th grade economics... My twist on it is that these appear to be perpetually unavailable... I couldn't get a '14 through my local dealer, can't seem to get a '15... Orders get placed, inventory comes in, but they're instantaneously out of stock.
  • 14 0
 @Silliker269 yeah, and not like this last "bible of bike test" where all they did was hype the bikes and love all of them. we need a harsh Bike A Vs. Bike B Vs... to get a better feel. every bike seems to "climb well for its suspension travel length" and "really liven up at high speed and through the rocky stuff"
  • 5 0
 @TFreeman glad I'm not the only one who thought that issue was crap.
  • 4 1
 Every review is the same, we need actual opinions. You know; Climbs great, descends better, looks just like the last bike..
  • 2 3
 ^^^^HEY PB I KNOW YOU SEE THIS!!!^^^^^ we love you and we want only whats best for you... and by best for you i mean US

we're all cheeky bastards here...
  • 3 3
 Reviews of the cheap bikes would do more to meet the needs of the average biker I think. Strengths and weakness with a recommended upgrade list: the norco ALU base model handled well overall, but the fork tended to spike out on chattery descents and the brakes faded and did not modulate well. These would be the first upgrades we'd recommend.
  • 44 21
 5500 usd is now a "reasonable" price? Are wealthy people the only ones that can afford "enduro" these days?
  • 37 10
 It's reasonable considering the component spec.
  • 17 15
 Yep, no room for peasants in the bike world any more.!! I think there has not only been a climb in prices naturally the last few years, but also the carbon factor has added 50% cost to the frames. I was lucky with my new 650b bike as managed to source a frame and forks, unused from ebay with 50% off or else I would still be on my 5 year old Trek remedy.
  • 37 24
 get a better job. and move our of your parents basement.
  • 60 4
 Ha, I have a house, car and money..... Also now have a wife, so whats mine is hers... What`s hers is... err, hers.
  • 27 2
 So so true Danny, with a wife if I want to buy a £5k bike it's gonna cost me £15k with 'wife duty' added
  • 70 10
 "Oh boo hoo I can't afford a carbon wonder-bike!"

Why don't you buy the aluminium version that starts at less than half the price? $2500 for the basic one, and what would $2500 have got you 8 years ago? Something worse. Quit complaining about "these days".
  • 15 25
flag gapos999 (Feb 9, 2015 at 2:36) (Below Threshold)
 I know that these comments about how modern bikes are so expensive are getting boring but we HAVE to keep pushing companies to lower their margins.
Of course you can buy the entry ALU version for half price but I sure would like to be able to buy the carbon version for half price.....(who wouldn't).
Its rediculous that a fork manufacturer asks more than 1200€ for it's product (especialy when RS shows that it can sell top notch PIKE for almost half price)
Its rediculous that a frame manufacturer asks more than 3000€ when YT , CANYON sell complete carbon bikes at the same prices.
I say KEEP PUSHING and sorry for being boring......
  • 26 3
 Gapos,

There is an old saying "If you want to make a small fortune in the bike industry, start with a large one." There may be a few people getting rich at the big companies but there isn't some big conspiracy to price gouge customers. It costs a lot to make great bikes, if they were sold for half the price they would make a loss and suddenly you wouldn't be able to buy great bikes at all. Margins in the bike industry are smaller than in most industries. The fact is you can buy a much better bike for £1000 than you used to be able to, you can just buy an even better bike for 5,6 or 10 grand now too. If those bikes didn't exist and all you had was the £1000 bikes we can get now you would be happy with them.

YT, Canyon and the like can sell bikes for 1/3 off because that is what a dealer, someone knowledgeable who spends money on space and stock to allow you to test ride the bike, make sure it fits, make sure you get the right bike etc needs to break even, they probably still make more money if they manage to get you to buy shorts and a jersey than they do on the bike though. If you are willing to buy a bike without any of that service and help, which a lot of people are, then you can save some money.
  • 6 17
flag indobiker (Feb 9, 2015 at 3:21) (Below Threshold)
 yea..weird..good bike is for rich people only.. -__-
  • 2 2
 Yep, agree that every one has to earn a living. I do love my local bike shop, which has the new Yeti sb6... Beautiful !. But as tomo12377 mentioned, the wife tax would be hideous. I already have to hide my "winter hack" under a blanket as this was bought just before the wedding!

Also as mentioned I like the fact that Canyon, Rose and Yt offer great carbon alternatives at lower prices. Agreed, they also offer some of the same frames in aluminium.

Plus some great deals on stuff now, just buying some Saint brakes with a third off!

Maybe we have never had it so good!
  • 2 1
 "wife duty" included hahahahah.. you can always put her in the dark, .....
  • 5 18
flag gapos999 (Feb 9, 2015 at 4:44) (Below Threshold)
 It is actually weird why some people defend large companies concerning pricing policy!!!
Patrick, you say their profit margins are small. May I ask how do you know? Are you behind a bike company?
Do you actually know what it costs to built a frame in a Taiwan, Malaysian factory?
Do you even know what it costs to ship 2000 bikes byship from Taiwan to Europe? I'm pretty sure that the cost in order to ship 2000 frames from Taiwan is not higher than the cost of 4 ''superbikes''.
  • 3 0
 My friend works in the industry, not at a really high level but has been told that its all the "Research" that adds to the cost of these frames.
  • 21 3
 @aribr - The Range's price is reasonable when you look at the carbon frame and the parts kit, and then compare it to the majority of its competitors. I'm not saying $5k is cheap by any means - that's why Norco offers the same bike in a less expensive, aluminum framed option.
  • 19 3
 Gapos, I worked for a lot of years in purchasing at a small manufacturer. I know what I am talking about 1st hand. As a small manufacturer we were much more often saying "how the hell do the big guys do that bike for so little money?" than "That costs more than it should"

If you think it is possible to do it for less then I suggest you go out and do it for less. I am sure you will make a fortune and revolutionise the industry since you clearly know exactly what you are talking about.
  • 6 4
 Wow Gapos, if your level of insight into economics is in any way representative of your compatriots it's no wonder your country is in the toilet, and this is coming from a North Korean.

Have you ever worked for a company that produces something? If I were to sell you the goods that my employer produces right out the door while still making sure everyone gets paid, you would pay about 25-35% of what the retail price will be. As dannyfag pointed out, there are simply more steps until a product reaches you, and no one is getting rich in this example - we only make good money if we produce a really good product that sells in large numbers, but we have to make sure we can pay our bills even if the product isn't a huge success.

You can cut significant costs by cutting out the middleman, but I believe good bikeshops can still offer a lot of consumers sufficient value to justify their margins.
There is a lot of competition in the bike market right now, and thus margins for producers aren't exactly huge - it's actually a great time to be shopping for bikes. Even if adjusted for inflation, the amount of performance you can buy these days compared to 10 years ago for let's say $2500 is quite remarkable.
  • 6 11
flag gapos999 (Feb 9, 2015 at 7:28) (Below Threshold)
 Patrick I'm also occupied in the purchasing & logistics department of an international construction company, so I also know what I'm speaking of.
By no means my coments were targeting Norco but ALL bike manufacturers.
If you are happy that you need at least 3000€ in order to buy a decent bike, well i'm NOT and that is what i'm trying to say.
SiSandro, your political coment is at least worthless....
At least, we in my, in dept country, do not feed our political oponenets to the dogs.....
  • 6 1
 While the frame isn't carbon, I still think the Canfield Balance one of the better frame deals considering you get a frame with a CC DB Air CS for around $2100. So I don't think everyone is out there to gouge the customer and that is why I bought a Balance.
  • 12 3
 So you work in an unrelated field and are having wild guesses at the costs of things and then making accusations of corruption and price fixing at all of the bike industry? You might be able to see why you are getting a slightly frosty reception.

You don't need €3000 to buy a decent bike, you can get a Spesh Hardrock or something like that for a few hundred and it will be a blast, you will have an awesome time riding bikes in the woods with your mates. You can also spend €10000 on the latest carbon wizardry and it will be a blast, you will have an awesome time riding bikes in the woods with your mates. You will also have a nice thing to look at, fettle with and be proud of and you will go a lot faster so if you are racing, you have the money to do so or you can otherwise justify spending a lot of your money on your passion then that is the way to go.
  • 4 10
flag gapos999 (Feb 9, 2015 at 7:53) (Below Threshold)
 Patrick, I see it is getting personal to you, weird though....
  • 32 5
 We have a greek advising on financial matters , this can only end well
  • 4 3
 I'm going to have to disagree with the "value" argument. With more companies selling to direct to consumer now (Commencal, YT, Canyon, etc.) you need to compare to these offerings directly. It's being proven than high-end, top spec, FS mountain bikes-including the carbon versions--can be had for well under 5K USD.
  • 1 3
 @Patrick9-32 Alas, I have but one upvote to give you. Someone who actually understands economics!
  • 1 1
 Indeed, as @mikekazimer said: this is a lot of bike for $5k, the parts kit is quite good for the price. Heck, wasn't there a bike reviewed last week in the $4.5k price bracket with a Fox Evolution fork on it? Here you're getting the arguably best version, of arguably the best mass-produced fork on the planet.
  • 5 0
 I gave up any right to a say in my sons name, in exchange my wife let me get a new bike.
  • 7 6
 I don't why people get so bent about MSRP. Have you ever paid MSRP for a bike? If so, you're a fool.
  • 6 5
 @patrick,do not take it personal but your experience doesn't make you an expert either. Basic principles apply to everything otherwise 90% of the PB community should have been quiet according to your statement of "related/unrelated". People in here express their knowledge and their perception too. If you are happy with the 5k or the 10k price tags it's ok but think of the Pike and the Mattoc forks whereas, the Mattoc costs 30% less (and is a better fork IMHO). Both are Taiwanese (or the RS is made in China?) but RS pays much more to advertise and it is the must have fork today. There is always a reason which makes things more or less expensive and it is not necessarily related to "more product" for your money.
  • 2 1
 @bikegreece what sells better- the pike or the mattoc? We all come on here and complain, but there is often a disconnect between what people say and what they actually do.
  • 5 0
 @hamncheez, exactly, but what I am questioning here is not what sells better but why?
  • 1 0
 @bikegreece Could you explain better? Your comment got downvoted because I think people might have misunderstood what you were trying to say
  • 3 1
 Its a great price for a carbon frame and those components. You people who say its over priced must not have been looking at bikes the last 15 years.
  • 4 3
 @robwhynot What are you talking about... So many people pay MSRP for bikes. If you want a new bike, the prices are set by the manufacturer with no room for negotiation. Sure, the previous year models can be discounted, but it is extremely rare for new models. Coming from 3 years in bike sales now, and 4 bike purchases later, I can say that, yes, I have bought a bike at MSRP, and no, I am not a fool.
  • 3 1
 They may have seen you coming.
  • 5 2
 @hamcheez, it is not the arrogance of the bike companies that makes them sell premium but, the arrogance of the consumer. Since I cannot buy a Ferrari I will buy a 10k bike that I can afford... if I sell my kidney. The bike industry knows this.
There is nothing new to say regarding bike prices today that hasn't been told before in those threads every time PB introduces a carbon bike. The subject has been exploited from every point of view. One can read and make his own judgement or he can just wait 20years or so to witness the progress relative to price changes and compare with other industries and formulate an experience oriented opinion.
  • 2 3
 @bikegreece My point is that the bike industry is international and highly competitive. No one is making millions of dollars selling bikes. A $10k superbike costs that much because it takes $10,000 of human effort, ingenuity, and time to produce it. Nearly all the uber-expensive bikes are sold by brands that do a lot more R&D than other others, and are "tent poles" for the biking industry.
  • 4 2
 R&D is not the panacea to the bike industry to justify just any price but you can definitely hide a lot of costs and profit targets behind.
  • 4 1
 remember that mt biking is a recreational pursuit and really still in its infancy. look at recreational motor sport, the scale of price and performance difference is enormous compared to mt biking for what is essential a hobby. yet enthusiasts don't carry on cause the latest offering from maker X is 3 times most people's annual salary. you don't need the bleeding edge, the belief that its more enjoyable or makes you a better rider is mostly likely placebo anyway. drop your ego and get out there and ride.
  • 5 2
 The problem with the bike industry is the multiple layers of distributorship. Motorsports have often eliminated this. Even YT in North America has a middleman, hence the increased cost in comparison to Europe. Talk to anyone in the industry about the difference between OEM, distributor, and retail costs. That's why CRC and other online retailers are so much cheaper because there is no middleman involved. When I used to get deals on Banshees I still had to order it through Trident rather than through Banshee which was based in North Van at the time.
  • 2 2
 Damn guys. Just put aside some money each paycheck or something. Or get a better job lol. Worked for me ;D
  • 1 4
 @Patrick9-32 I can you not see why @bikegreece would be so upset about MSRP's? Everyone in Greece is broke at the moment.
  • 2 1
 I just don't get it, if a bike is too expensive in your mind, simply don't buy it. But if a bike is too expensive for YOU, save your money. In many other aspects of life I think many people simply laugh about massively overpriced nonsense. Is the key to complaining about price completely born in the desire to attain? Because lets face it, most bikes are not massively overpriced. Take it to the street, they're seriously expensive altogether, to people who don't want one, because they're seriously amazing. But they don't complain. Because they don't desire. Don't like it? You can build a top shit skateboard for 300 sheets.
  • 1 0
 I know right.
  • 3 0
 I have my own system "Danonomics", my friends call it.

Example, bike is £4000, divide by years, then divide by months, to weeks ie 208.
The bike will still be worth £1000 after 4 years.
Divide £3000 by 208 = £14.50 a week approx
If you don`t smoke because your busy riding and getting fit, ie deduct 5 packets of fags -£40 a week
Bike is actually making you £35 a week!!
If you do smoke, just use something else instead to make the bike free!
  • 1 1
 @TheStig04 Between patience (i.e. mid-season or end of season purchase), used, demos and, most importantly, LBS loyalty I simply don't pay MSRP.
  • 3 0
 Again... for those who are facing difficulties to get it, the question is not if I, or someone else can or cannot afford to buy an expensive frame. The question is if the bike industry is getting unreasonably expensive in some cases.
Does one who buys a top-top bike pays for the high tec and the R&D that the bike carries or he pays a big part for the inflation, the increased taxation as the frame and parts transported from one place of the world (production) to another (assembly and sales), the advertising costs, the "brand" name, the high profit etc.? From all of you that you are commenting on the industry's tight margins, have you ever seen Norco's or Santa Cruz's bikes balance sheets? Anyone?
Today carbon frames sell for 3,000$, in 1998-2002 was 1,200$. In 10 years you will pay 4,000$ to 5000$ just for the frame and not because of the additional R&D. And where exactly is today's high R&D cost? to the fact that a couple of guys sitting in front of their computers designing things? They still get paid on a monthly basis, and then testing a couple of alu frames? Because carbon made easy today. You go to Giant or a similar factory and you buy the various carbon layering options they sell. The Norco here in is an FSR design (I mean they didn't discover America here) with better placed pivots (the guy in front of the computer) manufactured massively somewhere in Far East. Why does the frame sell 3000$???? Because Far East is a long way and for the reasons above.
There are industries like the car industry that they do a lot of developments and prices are attractive to consumer and didn't get such an increase over the past years. On the contrary they stayed stable. The complexity of the manufacturing and the R&D required of course is not comparable to the bikes.
The bike industry doesn't work like this. It's a spoiled child.
And do not dare to compare a high end bike with a Ferrari...
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 If you can name a similar industry - a leasure item with a similar amount of design and materials, from a bunch of different manufacturers, assembled into a complex product and supplied for demonstration in a bunch of different stores all over your city - that functions stably at a significantly lower markup than what the bike industry demands then I'd love to hear about it.

8 grand gets you basically any bike in the industry. You can spend 8 grand on an espresso machine/grinder/associated bits and it just makes coffee. You can spend 8 grand on a watch and still not get the best one the company makes. You can spend 8 grand on a hifi stereo and it will be nowhere near the biggest purchase that week at the hifi store. See how far 8 grand gets you in motorsport - nowhere. How about a racing boat for sculls? you can spend a lot more than 8 grand and all you get is a canoe shaped piece of carbon fibre.

Companies need to make money otherwise they can't make awesome bikes. Frames are expensive because the frame manufacturer has to deal with the overheads of dealing with other parts manufacturers and assembling the frame into a complete bike. They're not making money on the components, they make it on the frames. That's why it's usually better to buy complete.
  • 2 4
 I do compare a top bike with a Ferrari...Ie, Intense = Ferrari.... Giant = Ford. ; )
  • 4 2
 In that case, Ferrari's quality control must have slipped when I wasn't looking... a lot.
  • 2 0
 Expenditure Cascades, google it
  • 23 3
 sorry pb, but you got the analysis of the suspension behaviour completely wrong. It does not bob because it is too active - the opposite is the case. It is one the rare 4 bar designs, that has almost excessively high anti squat values and you can see that on the pivot and link placement. Seems to be optimized on 36-38 teeth. So it bobs on the 30t chainring because it is lifted out of its sag under power and then falls down again. Traction on tech climbing should not be that good with such a design, since it is far from active. But yeah, awesome bike for descending and square edge and a looker for sure....will work better on bigger rings...
  • 8 2
 ^^^ This! I own one and when you put power down the shock actually extends instead of compresses. I also found this means that flipping the compression switch makes little difference when seated, although when really cranking it can bob a bit as it rapidly extends and returns to its sag point so flicking the switch can mean a bit less movement as it doesn't return to as low a sag point. I've found it to be a relatively efficient climber, but not nearly as good on techy uphills as last years kona process and not even close to as plush on the way down. it is however very poppy and turns better than the process. I think its not quite as plush because suspension movement is kicked through the cranks and causes them to counter rotate due to the anti-squat, Ive found that in order to get full travel (I weigh 75kg) I need to run it at 35-38% sag.
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flag Sylvain-F (Feb 9, 2015 at 2:25) (Below Threshold)
 This bike has a virtual pivot point, so this "pivot" is not at the junction between the frame and the chainstay.
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flag trailstar2danman (Feb 9, 2015 at 3:48) (Below Threshold)
 ^^^^it does not have virtual pivot point, it FSR!!!
  • 5 0
 But why would someone design a high-end bike nowadays for a double ring setup?
  • 7 0
 @trailstar2danman

Sylvain-F simply means that the linkage design is more complicated than a single pivot design and point that the rear wheel is rotating about changes through the stroke and doesn't necessarily line up with the pivot above the BB. Obviously the linkage is different that Santa Cruz's VPP design - but that's not what Sylvain-F was saying.
  • 7 2
 @ArturoBandini - you're right in stating that the Range has a high amount of anti-squat - there's no refuting those numbers, but the descriptions I wrote on how it actually rides still stands. I'm sure the tires helped with its climbing, but there was plenty of available traction for the tech stuff, despite what your analysis found. When I used the term "active," I was using it to describe the amount of suspension movement that was occurring during standing pedaling efforts - apologies if my meaning wasn't completely clear.
  • 5 4
 Totally haaated that pedal kickback in the suspension. So strange feeling. Transition Bikes all the way.
  • 5 0
 Sounds like it would benefit from Cane Creeks approach- overdampen the compression AND rebound to keep it from bobbing too much.
  • 3 0
 Ive been on one for few months now. I did test quite a few bikes before this purchase.
Process, nomad, mach 6, tracer2, force, ..aside from gt, the range climbs tech&fire rds the best w/great traction while seated(bontrgr xr4), really poppy but not as much as kna53( Short cs), mach 6 and kna53 lil plusher in the dh chunck. I have noticed the rear kick but slowed rebound helped. Gta try mid setting as sugstd.
As stated, great middle ground, great looks, price and build.
  • 5 1
 i have been on this bike for a little over 2 months... its correct that this bike has a lot of anti-squat... i find that i makes the bike climb really well, especially on singletrack when you need traction in the rear wheel... @ArturoBandini is correct though about the negatives of so much anti-squat with the ring size... i run a 36t and it completely changes everything... no-pedal kickback and great climbing traction.. i always run the shock wide-open....

descending, this bike is really excellent with square edge and the most stable bike at speed that i have ridden... it does like to hang around in the middle of the travel, and i havent yet decided if i want to continue to run more sag like @bradical9 or not, but i dont notice that its packing up or bottoming out or anything, it just doesnt stay as high as some other bikes... the bike ramps up a lot at the end of the stroke though and that is really helpful when its really chunky for extended periods... so all this behavior makes the bike really great in the rough, but its not optimal (like the review mentions) when you want to pre-load for jumps or push into swoopy turns... but in fairness, the Range is designed to go deep into the back-country where you are on natural hiking trails, without jumps and berms and stuff like that... and where i live, thats what we have... the BMX track has jumps and berms and thats pretty much where go to ride that stuff....

if you pedal up and ride the rowdyest stuff you can find going down, and dont have access to flowy trails, or jumpy trails, then this is your bike. I also sized up to XL because i liked the Kona geo so much... the XL is just longer, not taller... so that also adds an element of stability... maybe thats something else to consider size-wise if you re test riding...
  • 1 0
 eriksaun, you said you upsized to an XL. How tall are you?
  • 1 0
 @schwaaa31 i am 5'10.5" but very long waisted and have long arms. an xl range is similar to process l. i an so much more comfortable with the extra room and i don't feel like i am getting pitched over the bars all the time
  • 1 0
 Oh wow. At 6'2", I wou definitely need an XL. Thank you.
  • 1 0
 Ya I'm 6'1.5". I have long femur/not long reach so I'm always b/w L and xl.
I like 18" reach bikes w/40-50 stems, Xl range, large konas, large gt. Nomad in large(more playful)
  • 17 3
 I'm 6'6" and would love a bike custom sized for me, but I find this gravity tune concept a little odd. Why would I want longer chain stays and a slacker seat tube angle? Personally I'd like to keep short chains to compensate for the extra length and a steeper seat tube angle to keep my mile long seat post somewhere in the right vicinity. Now if they told me the XL was a little beefier to handle my weight, or if it came with longer cranks that might make sense...
  • 8 3
 short chainstays on a very long front centre can make it feel damn weird though. Personally I like the idea (Im 6'4" so not as tall as you though)
  • 7 0
 Indeed, being a fellow tall freak with usually more than 350mm of seatpole exposed, anything without a STEEP seat tube angle puts me in a less than optimal position which make climbing a chore. larger frames should get slightly steeper STA's, not slacker.
  • 6 8
 I am blown away that they offer different chainstay lengths on carbon frame, which means 4 molds for CS instead of 1 as in every other company! Now russthedog - what experience do you have with different lengths of stays to say that short ones paired with long front will feel weird? I assure you there is nothing to worry about unless you go under 410mm.
  • 2 0
 No experience with different length stays, but experience with different front centers. In both xc and dh anything that had short stays felt weird - as smuggly said, sitting too far over the rear tyre making climbing hard; having to steer with my hips whilst stretching out to the bars
  • 7 0
 Waki - The'ye all use the same chain stay on every size. As each size frame front triangle has a different mould they just move the BB shell relative to the main pivot. So it changes
  • 6 0
 The chainstays themselves don't change length on the Norco, its the bottom bracket that moves forward on the front triangle.
  • 1 0
 I am so ready to love these bikes but the XL won't do if you're over 6'4". The Enduro 29 is a better choice with its taller head tube and steeper seat angle. The new Evil looks compelling and I bet when it comes out the Yeti S9C will be incredible - the geo on the SB6C is spot on.
  • 1 2
 I think the changing chainstay length makes a lot of sense, it just means the bike will handle the same throughout the size range. If you just stretch the front center like most do, the proportions between a small and XL can be way off
  • 5 2
 russthehog - I have been experimenting with it on my 26" HT with stays adjustable between 405 and 417. Effect is even smaller on 275 and 29er due to lower BB drop. Having 160 fork up front at 405mm makes the front wander indeed, but around 412 things get ok and at 417 it is perfectly stable. Granny ring does play a role and spining fast at 412mm stays feels like 405 on harder gear but at 417mm it is really more than ok, no bigger handling problem compared to Blur TRc with 429mm stays. Now one may say that XC 29er with 440+ stays climbs way better BUT then I ask that person to contemplate a bit on his 160mm fork because while I feel difference between 412 and 417 stays to be "meeee"h, then difference in handling on climbs between 120 fork and 160 fork is substantial. Finaly I ask to consider the seat angle thing, because when we talk climbs, we often talk seated climbs and then CS length becomes less important than definite relation seat(bum) - tyre patch. This Norco has seat angle at 73,6 degrees which is slack at modern standards going to 74 or 75. Many XC racing bikes before latest revisions of geometries after 2011 used to have 71, max 72 degree seat angles which means tha ttheir saddles were more or less in same position as this Norco. Now they were not complaining on popping wheelies. Each degree on seat angle moves seat back or forth by around an inch. I would argue that shorter rear ends, putting more weight on the rear contribute to better grip on climbs. As to being bent, sorry 160 fork, big wheel up front, eventually riser bars, fks that up already, adjusting CS to cover for that is nothing more but damage control.

I wrote all this because I think, there's too much misinformation in chainstay area.
  • 1 0
 I have a Range. IIRC they make one cs, but then place the bb in fore or aft to tune the overall cs length. Makes sense since they have to make a different front triangle for each size anyway.
  • 3 0
 Well Apollo never even mentioned the CS length...
  • 5 1
 @clshook, you're in North Van and 6'6". There is a custom bike for you and the terrain you ride but it's available to the masses: the Enduro 29er.
  • 2 1
 The chainstays are alloy.
  • 1 0
 Waki, yes I have experienced pretty much the same thing, and you are correct cs importance is somewhat reduced when seated climbing. Your ht experience mirrors exactly what I experienced on my 150fork ht a few years ago. I ran cs long to be able to get up the damn hills. And I could never understand why any bikes ran slack seat tube angles - thankfully that is being somewhat changed now. Anything below 71 should be illegal. I even preferred my dh bike with a 71 Sa compared to the others with 65 - easier to get the seat in front. Back to cs though, I still found when the cs got short and the front centre was long I had to stretch a little to the bar when riding off the saddle - this is a feeling I like and I think helps me ride faster. But with the short back end I had to steer a lot more with my hips - if I didn't do this my steering was highly effected. Shoulders had much less impact. I am sure for some people this is a preference but I prefer a more neutral position where both hips and shoulders are equal.
  • 2 1
 Waki you really don't know what you're going on about. It isn't about climbing, although longer rear centres absolutely do result in better climbing performance, all other measurements being equal. The reason behind moving the BB location within the wheelbase is weight distribution and subsequently front to rear cornering grip levels.

russthedog is bang on when he says short rear centres feel weird (on anything but DJ/pumptrack hardtails). I go as far to say that 420mm rear centres on modern DH/Enduro bikes on medium plus sizes are dated junk. The result is low front grip causing the rider to hang over the bars on loose turns and body position on jumps is so critical as they're so pitch sensitive due to rear spring rate being so much higher than front.

The comments on the Range's suspension being too active climbing are bizarre. It has a high IC and more anti-squat than many 160mm bikes. The shock tune must be very low or they were running 50% sag.
  • 2 1
 We had this discussion jclnv on Demo chainstay gate. You talk about theory, I talk about reality. Kona, Yeti, Spec, even Santa Cruz with their Blur Tr and Latest Nomad opt for shorter stays and that is partly because front ends got longer and if you keep stays above 440 wheel base of trail bike gets close to one of a dh bike. Front end grip argument is as relevant as maneuverability argument for shorter stays. It is you that make bike turn, stay on the track or wash our - you provide weight distribution - bike does not do it by itself. I don't know exactly why do they make shorter stays and longer fronts but I doubt that you do either so hide your online cock. It's just a bike.
  • 3 1
 You're absolutely right. If a bike has shit weight distribution you can make up for it by hanging over the bars and constantly trimming your body position front to rear. You think that's the best way for a bike to be designed? I would rather be centred/neutral with more balanced spring rates and an ultimately more predictable handling bike.

I'll tell you exactly why companies go long front centre/short rear centre. Because they know long wheelbase = stability but the marketeers have done such a good job convincing the masses that long rear centres are crap that doing anything different is commercial suicide. Yeah it's just a bike but I don't wont to ride shit ones or listen to people who perpetuate the BS short rear centre myth.

BTW Stumpy Evo 29", Camber Evo 29" 455mm and they're some of the best reviewed bikes on the market.
  • 3 2
 Haha Wakis wrong
  • 4 4
 bla bla bla jclnv, you are yet another bloke that goes: "I like this thing so much and I will find this and this much arguments for it, which as a result will turn my preference into physics proven, God given definite solution for everyone, everywhere - therefore I want everyone to agree with me". The fact is there are bikes of all kinds and recently we've seen a shift to shorter stays among many manufacturers, which highly probably means absofknglutely nothing. I just presented an opinion that short stays are not as bad as people think basing on my own experimental experience (which I mention only because there are nerds like you here, fkng PB scientists) and it is you who said something in ways that makes longer stays superior. It is you converting people not me - Please be my guest.

Yours faithfully Adolf Hitler

(yes Godwins law, please don't post link to wikipedia)
  • 6 3
 And if you are a seasoned bike designer or a high profile rider then please say it now, present your credentials on which you base your 5% shock tune theory or just shut the hell up and acknowledge that you are no better than anyone else on this forum before you get hemoroids from sitting so long on your high horse Big Grin
  • 4 0
 I don't give a shit about the internet pissing contests but you told a 6'4" guy that 410mm rear centre is fine. Based on what front centre? That's a total BS statement or at best crap advice. Plus you're basing your test on a hardtail which are already flawed to hell. Go tell HRC to lock out their rear suspension before they do swingarm length testing.

I'm not saying longer or short is superior, I'm saying like head angle, BB height etc there is an optimum and it's a ratio of front centre length. It's obvious really. Norco is trying to do just that on this bike but I think they're about 10mm short on all sizes and they're going about it the wrong way as it effects seat angle. I'd rather every bike was aluminium instead of carbon but had varying rear centre lengths. It would make far more difference to how they rode.

Yours, average bike rider who can read Smile
  • 1 2
 taller riders tend to position themselves more forward therefore don't need longer CS's.
  • 2 2
 No the mass is distributed the same as a shorter rider front/rear but higher which is where longer rear centres would help with climbing. In fact the reach situation is usually worse for tall riders due to the lack of proper XL's.
  • 1 1
 not talking about climbing. You need to lose your "longer CS is better" argument as you not winning. CS keep getting shorter overall in the industry. I got some V-Brakes for sale if you want?
  • 2 0
 Actually they're not all getting shorter. For example the new Demo rear centre is 10mm longer. The manufacturers are slowly learning, most likely from motorsport, but as I said above, they're fighting established marketing misinformation created by themselves.
  • 1 1
 Everything goes to extremes then comes back. Geometry has been chosen until recently by old people that don't want to stay too far from the norm. Short chainstays are good So are slightly longer ones. Depends how big your wheels are and of course your seat angle. And how long your front end is, and stem. Longer frames with shorter stems are good. There. It's settled. Nerds
  • 2 1
 Oh, long frames, short stems yes, I like 60 stem on my FS bike and 70 on my HT, both 26" in Large (please don't bash me for not giving reach, I really don't want to check it). Everyone tells me to go for 35mm stem but I had a 40mm in the past and bike felt like drunk space monkey on meth. I also don't like head angles slacker than 66deg on a trail bike. I missed slack and low train and now long reach is upon me. All my friends run offset bushings or anglesets, I Pushed my shock but they say I should have gone for CCDCAirCD (I hope I spelled it right) I told them that epitome of cool geometry, Chris Porters 160mil Nicolai with 62HA 76 SA, 500something reach, 1300 wheel base is not a trail bike, it is a downhill bike on steroids but with midget legs and that intead he should have got himself a V10 with shock with lock out, since it already has 75 seat angle, and they all turned themselves away from me. What should I do to get my friends back?
  • 2 1
 Oh the joys of telling everyone how wrong they are with their yet another stupid theory by providing one's own theory. Oh the irony.
  • 2 2
 tworldsmine - it's not preference or theory - it's science, get a simple book on physics. Get your facts right no some illogical misinformed trolling. I say it again - Oval rings are useless!
  • 1 0
 And cheddar is good. I know. So uneducated me.
  • 1 1
 Cheddar is bad for your health and for the planet - it's nutrition science! Thy shall not argue with the power and wisdom of science, otherwise reason will get you in the hour you least expect it, punishment and humiliation will be of unspecified proportions, so thy shall regreat that man that is your father inseminated the woman that is your mother and you became aminoacid fed multiplying set of cells. Oh the logic, thy shall not say it's name in vain, for there is no reason for it! Reason will save humanity from itself! We must pass the genes don't you get it?! Can't you seeee?!
  • 1 1
 *thee
*regret
*its



You should know better as an educated squire.
  • 1 3
 Write the thing I wrote above in Polish, Swedish, Italian, or any language you can speak besides English baby without using google translator (am I making myself clear?)
  • 3 1
 Oh Ya you've made yourself totally clear waki You are SO smart
  • 1 1
 Pointless drivel.
  • 1 3
 It was entertaining to me!
  • 1 0
 Double smoked cheddar of cranberry sour dough bread mmmmmmmmmmmmm. I dont care if its not good for me. Oval chain rings are useless.
Pasturized milk is unhealthy and disgusting. Cow factories are in humane. Micro brew beer is very healthy for you. Budwiser is Amurican piss in a can.
Grip shift is awesome! Oh I see you whiny face. Have you tried it?
If Waki does not leave a comment I rather bored with the regurgitated drivel that people state as fact.
  • 1 1
 Like what?
  • 1 0
 xCri - I rather meant that I ain't taking no shit for my English from a native English speaker (bloke from England in particular), because the probability of him being able to put together a sentence in any other language barely exceeds 0.1%. That 0.1% contains "Una cerveza por favor", and words like "schaisse" or "Tikka Masala".
  • 1 0
 I tutaj sie mylisz drogi kolego. Urodzony w Polsce ale biegle mowiacy w paru innych jezykach.

Polecam odrobine skromnosci.




NB: any relevant translations available on demand.
  • 1 0
 Hehehe Big Grin It was worth a shot... humility really? Humility is something you can show if you are better at something, if something makes you stand out - I can't do anything man to be humble about it. Just having a mental and verbal diarrhea - Ok now I'm out.
  • 19 1
 Norco is sure stepping it up over the last few years!
  • 10 1
 And yet again the enduro bike review goes as follows.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, bit of a struggle on the ups but rewarded when heading back down.

Show some sack and compare all these bikes against each other, or are the repercussions from the manufacturers too scary or indeed costly?
  • 6 0
 Couldn't agree more, every AM/Enduro review just seem to blur into one.
  • 6 0
 Could this be because all the bikes are so similar??
  • 2 1
 Personally I would like to see a bake-off between:
Giant Reign
Trek Slash
GT Sanction
Specialized Enduro
Commencal Meta SX

I would put YT Capra in the list - but the 6+ month wait means (for me) this is out of contention.
  • 18 10
 Nice bike, but I'll never buy another Norco. Southwest US sales rep had a personal problem with the local shop owner, who was a Norco dealer, and decided to cut the shop off from any sales and service support. I had just paid for a new bike and the rep wouldn't refund the money. Norco pinned whatever issue they had on the dealer/LBS and cut the shop off from being a dealer. When I called to complain about the rep, the Norco person I was talking with directly said I was a piece of sh** and accused me of calling on behalf of the bike shop. Just to add to the great support, my buddy that has a cracked 2014 carbon sight was told though luck on getting the frame warrantied now because he called to complain about the rep bad mouthing him for supporting the shop. The closest dealer to us now is an 8 hour drive away. Thanks Norco! Appreciate the warm customer service. Sorry for the rant, just wanted to get it out.
  • 9 0
 Top 5 Pinkbike Comment Complaints
!) it's too expensive
2) it's not the right amount of travel
3) The spec sucks
4) It looks like a (blank)
5) it's not as good as my (blank)
  • 5 0
 6) the wheels are the wrong size.
  • 1 3
 Not complaints...just constructive criticism Big Grin
  • 6 0
 What I really like about Norco is they can offer a truly kick ass bike without dishing out a price that kicks you in the ass. It would be wise for other bike companies to look at this Norco first before they decide to put some ridiculous price tag on their next offerings.
  • 7 0
 I have to say... I love my Range A7.2. For the price is blows the competition out of the water.
  • 6 0
 RH lever under the LH bar is a great detail that wasn't overlooked at spec. Well done Norco. Small details like these are things riders appreciate.
  • 3 0
 So I found my wife a range killer b1 the other year an all her gf s fell in love with it, so last year 3 of her gfs bought the aluminum model and now one of the girls bfs today bought the aluminum models as well. That's some funny stuff
  • 2 0
 I just got my Range C 7.1 on the weekend, Thanks Bike Attack guys for making it happen! I didn't had a chance to ride it yet but want to add two things to this discussion. Its an Xlarge frame and it looks ridiculously awesome, no awkward weirdo lines to squeeze the geometry in, just plain beautiful. I wish bike manufacturers would show pics of their bikes in every size, there are quite some surprises when it comes to the Xlarge and small sizes. Second, the rubber grommet working out issue seems fixed, there are little screws in the grommets connecting them to the frame. The screws would have to break first before any working out stuff could happen. I will also keep the cables at the exit point with a cable binder under control to prevent rattling inside the frame. Now lets see how it rides, no more excuses...
  • 5 2
 Anyone had any experience with the aluminium Ranges? The murdered out 7.1 looks pretty epic and somewhat more in line with what normal people call a 'reasonable' price!
  • 5 1
 Yeah, can someone please review an aluminum bike for once? I know carbon is the epitome of awesome mountain bikes but alu still lives!
  • 1 0
 I have last year's pretty much spec'd like the murdered out 7.1. Great bike with all the same attributes. Plenty plenty stiff and a little bit more heavy than the carbon version. But all of the review rings true for the aluminum version. I have a 32T and get up most everything with a 40T on the tricky stuff. The weight just wears me down on longer rides though. Not the bike I'd pick as an all around but more for the burly riding.
  • 2 0
 The transitions, knollys, and konas, commencal too maybe, were all reviewed. Al et al.
  • 4 1
 "no problem with fine desert dust" - come to the UK and you wont have that problem Mike! In fact why don't we do a trail swap for a while? Wink
  • 3 0
 Is the Longshoreman's strike over yet? I hope those guys get their Bargaining Agreement soon. I've been waiting on my Range 7.1 for a little while now.
  • 2 0
 That was one of the reasons I heard last year (2013/2014) when I tried to buy a carbon Range - gave up in the end.
  • 1 0
 I have the sight 2 and it is awesome...after riding the range I threw a 160 mm fork on it pretty much gives you the same geometry as the range...except the extra 20mm rear travel...great bike that pedals well and rips the downs...If i didn't have a dh bike would definately get the range because its built a bit burlier...but the sight is a little more friendly to pedal...cant go wrong with either...the best bikes Norco has made since the Norco Six!
  • 5 0
 I'm tired of flat black on bikes. Said no one ever.
  • 2 0
 having been a norco owner, and remember the old old shore series, i can honestly say this looks like the nicest bike theyve ever produced, a step in the right direction. well done norco, would love to own this rig
  • 1 0
 I own Alu range, and I really like it, climbs well, frame have really good anti-squat with 36t - 32t on the front.
Goes down - well too, the only stopping factor is you balls;

Have M size at 6' height, I do not like idea of gravity tune concept, cause if you jump, whit, and not only race L and and XL bikes fill to bulky...
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  • 9 5
 I didn't even read the review.....That bike looks tits
  • 1 0
 Im the same way. Ill never be able to afford it so i don't really care how it rides but it looks on point. So id buy it.
  • 9 8
 Still waiting to see which company will produce an aggressive all mountain bike with a stock 64º head angle. If the priority is aggressive downhill, why not?

I don't care if it climbs like crap.
  • 16 2
 At 64° it also could corner like crap.
  • 2 1
 Yt capra has a 75° seat tube angle and a 65.2° head tube.. climbs well.
  • 1 0
 May be 74 degree next year, although this probably has already been tested.

Seems that the fashion is 140mm and 160mm "Enduro" and angles/ sizes are getting very similar.

Be interesting to see what happens over the next couple of years.
  • 6 1
 There is very little difference in geo and componentry of modern 120mm xc/trail bike and full on enduro machine, which then resembles many pre SamHill domination DH bikes from around 2008. So one could argue that modern 120 bikes with 160 forks are better at dhing than DH bikes from 2001 when I started riding.
  • 7 0
 Yep, I started riding xc back in 93 and Dh in 96. It was only a dream that one day we could ride our big xc loops with gnarly decent`s on a bike that could climb like an xc bike and descend like a Dh bike. In that respect, the bikes now are fantastic and I love my 160mm travel bike that weighs 29 lbs.

Plus all the clothing now is fantastic, gone are the days of soaking wet trainers and a waterproof jacket that made me lose 2 lbs in sweat on every uphill.

I have friends who have only started in the last couple of years and I tell them how spoilt they are now.....
  • 4 0
 Put and angleset in a bike and slack it out then. I doubt that a 160mm and less travel bike would handle well that slacked. If you don't care how well it climbs, just get a proper DH bike and put a normal cassette on the back.
  • 5 0
 At 65° the Banshee Rune is almost there.
  • 3 3
 "A guide would be a welcome addition for the additional peace of mind it would bring." There are all kinds of things you could add to a bike for "additional piece of mind" like stanchion covers, rubber molding, guards for rotors and cassettes, run flat tubes etc etc, but this is biking and you climb that thing up hill and fling it around corners. So if it never dropped a chain, why waste the grams on a guide which will also cause extra chain wear and need more lubing?
  • 9 0
 It was only a request for an upper guide - just a few grams to make it nearly impossible for the chain to drop, which in a race situation is the last thing you want to have happen. Since there was already a lower bashguard already in place, it seem a little strange that there was no upper guide.
  • 2 5
 All due respect @mikekazimer, but isn't that one of a great many things one might want to add to their bike (or carry along) when Enduro racing, but not needed for normal riding? Does that need to be spec'd on a bike? I, for one, only run a guide on my dh rig and find them to cause extra pedaling resistance, extra chain wear and the necessity for more chain lubing, in addition to the weight penalty and the added part that can fail or cause problems.
  • 2 0
 I could be wrong about this, but in my experience you can't get a chain guide with an upper guide portion that plays well with a 30t 104 bcd ring that come on this bike, the spacing just doesn't work. I recently put a blackspire trail-x guide (like the bruiser but with an upper) on my bike, and had to go to a 32t ring to make it fit.
  • 1 0
 Id NEVER ride dh without a bash guard. Any rock hits that ring or tooth its gonna suck.
  • 1 0
 The issue isn't a bash guard @downhilladdict. I think we all see the need for one on an enduro or dh. The question is whether you need a guide, as this bike doesn't come with one and that was marked against it, even though it has a narrow-wide ring and a clutch drail, making it damn near impossible to fall off in all but the gnarliest race situations.
  • 1 0
 I've run an E-Thirteen XCX guide on a 30 tooth ring before and its flawless. Before that even with a N/W front ring and clutch I've lost chains several times, once in the middle of a race stage. I totally agree that it's weird to have a bash guard but no guide. Bike looks amazing though, kudos to Norco on this beauty.
  • 4 0
 Great, now my 68.5* HA bike feels inadequate for the trails.
  • 3 0
 Spec.-like suspension, but still 2 lbs more than a comparable Enduro. But it's also 1000 $ less.
  • 6 0
 In Canada, it's nearly $2000 less (well, $1700) than the comparable specialized (Enduro Expert carbon), and actually around the same weight, if not negligible where the weight difference is in terms of riding feel.

The closest priced Enduro would be the Enduro Elite, at $5700, which gets you an Aluminum frame (vs Carbon), and is almost 1.5 lbs heavier.

And for what it's worth, aside from having a hoist link, the suspension curves are ENTIRELY different between the Range's ART design, and the Enduro FSR. I've ridden both an Enduro and the Range extensively, and can attest that they feel like entirely different bikes.
  • 1 1
 Well... nothing new under the sky. This bike looks like many others, but I don't blame Norco. Most of geometries and technologies have reached their maximal evolution. Don't expect to see anything really new in these next years. After such (r)evolutions in 10/15 years, MTB's world and technology is gonna bring no more surprises, except into small details, like in MX's world. I'm a bit "scared" to find it uninteresting and boring, and things are already like that. But fortunately, the Ride keeps going, and that's the most important thing!!! Good ride to you all fellows...
  • 1 0
 "… his current location in the Pacific Northwest allows for easy access to the wettest, muddiest conditions imaginable." - like that is a good thing. haha
  • 7 0
 All that mud does make my home a great place for durability testing, but for getting a sun tan? No so much.
  • 1 0
 right there with you!
  • 1 0
 B wicked, couldn't agree more, that' pounding on my back with a hardtail doesn't suit me well . And I would NOT ride like I do today soly on a hardtail.
  • 2 1
 I'm on this bike, and goddamn I love this bike. Mid ski season I just spent an hour yesterday talking about it with a bunch of skiers!
  • 3 1
 That first sentence made my eyes hurt.
  • 2 0
 What makes that bike stand on its own???
  • 1 0
 Norco resolve their "manufacturing inconsistency" that existed in their 2014 Range?
www.norco.com/range-support
  • 2 0
 Yes they did, mine (first batch 2014) cracked at ISCG tab, new frame arrived at no cost. After cca. 100 riding days and few enduro races it still rides like it did the first day. Loving the bike, really the best bike i've ever had or rode. I had a (Giant Reign 2013, Specialized Enduro 2012, tested: Spec enduro 2014, Genius LT 710, Reign 2015 and Liteville 601) and i have to say that those bikes are no match to the Range C 7.1 2014. Climbs really great for a big bike and i cannot tell you how precise and stable it is at high speed even on the gnarliest alpine trails. Was looking also at the new Nomad C but the price is just to high. For this kind of money the Range C 7.1 really is a winner. Only thing that bothers me is that rear derailleur bolt keeps getting loose and Kore Mega wheels are a bit to soft
  • 1 0
 Buy the bike. Ride this bike. You will love it! Norco makes wicked bikes at a decent price.
  • 2 0
 all these new bikes are old in like 2 years.
  • 4 3
 "Connectamajig fitting." Wait, what?
  • 6 1
 It's the same thing SRAM uses on stealth dropper posts - www.sram.com/rockshox/technologies/connectamajig-rockshox
  • 2 8
flag Bronco82 (Feb 9, 2015 at 0:33) (Below Threshold)
 But he was referring to the brakes. And it's made by norco.
  • 1 0
 the connectamajig fitting is most likely to make the assembly process cheaper. They can assemble the rear half of the bike in one part of the factory, and have the cockpit assembled somewhere else, than you simply connect the hydraulic hoses. This is because internally routed hydraulics is a bitch...

Its actually a smart idea, but I think it looks hideous Wink
  • 1 0
 And then it goes poof and there's fluid every where. Why don't they just run hoses and then connect them to the caliper and lever? No extra things to add weight and less of a chance of a fitting coming loose and leaking.
  • 1 0
 what gives you the impression they go poof? Just to be the devils advocate here, I would imagine a rock strike on the conectamajig, vs a rock strike on the hose, the contectamajig would probably fair better... Just a guess though.
And you can have the system pre-bled this way. You can have a pre bled lever, and a prebled caliper in two different factories for the same brake.

Now I would like to reiterate that I personally think they are stupid, and would agree with you, however some one somewhere is saving 10cents on every bike pumped out, and that is enough for them.
  • 1 0
 I'm not saying it would under normal use. But under certain circumstances, like a freak accident, it could. Then you have no brakes and cactus stuck to your face. And brake fluid isn't exactly good for carbon or paint.

Can't I just be confused and not get flamed for it?
  • 1 0
 did anyone else notice the pun he made in the first paragraph?
  • 2 5
 Regardless of this review and the results, am I the only one that after reading RC's article on industry journalists can't take serious reviews any more? It's not something I didn't knew or at least be aware of the possibility, but surely makes me see reviews different.
  • 3 2
 Do you also get scared by scary kids stories ? because they are not true either
  • 1 0
 @SK250 Have you bothered reading the full article, where he clearly explains it was just a satire?
  • 1 1
 well l just bought a pretty nice 4x4 truck for 5 grand…can't ride a bike everywhere
  • 1 2
 Oh niiiiiice! a Trek Remedy with Horst Link and Cannondale Stealth black idea! ..... Bring the finnish bike back.....
  • 1 0
 Again guys, nothing like an umbrella for the rain? we do need some real new ideas in mtb and specially enduro bikes. I would enjoy to test the longer chainstays finnish bike much more than bikes with even or similar feel. Nothing new.
  • 1 0
 Looks similar to my Stumpy from 2009... Smile
  • 1 0
 you need black nipples
  • 4 1
 Once you go black you never go back...
  • 5 6
 Watch and learn BMC...
  • 2 4
 Pinkbike award: Most commas ever used in a review.
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