NS Bikes Launches Carbon 'Define' Platform with Adjustable Geometry

Nov 7, 2019
by NS Bikes  

PRESS RELEASE: NS Bikes

After the successful romance with 29” wheels resulting with the birth of the Snabb 150 and Snabb 130 - our first big wheel full-suspension rigs - we had to take another step and “carbonize” them. After almost two years of development, including intensive field tests done by our riders Rob Williams and Slawek Lukasik on the EWS courses, we can proudly announce that the Define is here.



The bike comes in two travel options: trail 130 (140mm front / 130 mm rear travel) and enduro 150 (160mm front / 155mm rear travel). Both bikes have the cutting-edge geometry - with reach up to 490/500mm in L size, head tube angle as slack as 65.5/64.5 degrees and effective seat tube angle as steep as 77/76 degrees. This makes the Defines super stable on the roughest descents at any speed, but also allow the rider to pedal-up even the steepest climbs (if the power is there).


Frame features

There are a few frame cool features, that makes the bike stand out from other constructions on the market.

First goes the adjustable geometry. Like our downhill machine - the Fuzz - the Define also allows you to change the reach by +/- 10mm thanks to the offset headset cups. The rider can fine-tune his/her position, without having to change, for example, the stem length or saddle’s horizontal position.


The Define also allows to raise the BB height from stock settings by 5mm thanks to the adjustable shock mount. You can even transform the bike’s characteristics completely by swapping both rear shock and its mount. This move allows you to change the rear wheel travel from 130 to 155 mm (or vice versa)! That makes the Define practically 2 bikes in one! Yes, you still need another set of suspension, but not more than that. (Note: different lengths of shock mounts available separately).


Finally the hybrid external/internal cable routing. The special channel let the cables blend in the down tube elegantly and yet gives the user super-easy access to cables - anytime, anywhere. Safecracker skills not needed anymore, to get them through the tricky internal routing channels.


Suspension design

The Define range use the same suspension as Snabb range, tried-and-true Horst Link design. A good amount of anti-squat resists squatting when pedalling. Here's what Pinkbike editors once wrote about this suspension "There is so little pedal-induced bobbing at play here, that it sort of boggles the mind!". As you go deeper into travel the anti-squat drops off in a linear fashion which provides better suspension action in rougher terrain. Progressive leverage curve with slightly regressive end pair well with an air shock providing excellent support in the middle of the stroke and bottom-out resistance. Consistent Anti-rise throughout the full travel range was applied to achieve the best compromise between keeping the geometry of the bike balanced under braking, but at the same time keeping the suspension active under braking.

Leverage ratio


Anti-squat


Anti-rise



Specifications

NS Bikes Define comes in 2 specification and price levels in both enduro and trail versions:

Define 150 1
• Fox Factory 36 Float FIT4 fork
• Fox Factory Float DPX2 rear shock
• SRAM X01 1x12 drivetrain
• SRAM GUIDE RS / RAM G2 RSC brakes (brake depending on production date)
• NS Licence Carbon 35 handlebar
• Fox Transfer Performance Elite dropper post
• Truvativ Descendant Carbon DUB 32t crankset
• MSRP: €6199, $6199

Define 150 2 (2 colourways)
• Fox Performance 36 Float Grip fork
• Fox Performance Float DPX rear shock
• 160/155 front/rear travel
• SRAM GX Eagle 1x12 drivetrain
• Sram Guide T / RE brakes (brake depending on production date)
• X-Fusion Manic dropper post
• Truvativ Descendant DUB 32t crankset
• MSRP: €4499, $4499

Define 130 1
• Fox Factory 34 Float FIT4
• Fox Factory Float DPS
• 140/130 front/rear travel
• SRAM X01 Eagle 1x12 drivetrain
• SRAM GUIDE RS / RAM G2 RSC brakes (brake depending on production date)
• Fox Transfer Performance Elite dropper post
• Truvativ Descendant Carbon DUB 32t crankset
• MSRP: €5999, $5999

Define 130 2 (2 colourways)
• Fox Performance 34 Float Grip
• Fox Performance Float DPS
• 140/130 front/rear travel
• SRAM GX 1x12 drivetrain
• Sram Guide T / RE brakes (brake depending on production date)
• X-Fusion Manic dropper post
• Truvativ Descendant DUB 32t crankset
• MSRP: €4299, $4299

More info about specific Define models can be found on our website.


110 Comments

  • 30 16
 So, everything Guerrilla Gravity has done before, from offset headset cups, to adjustable rear travel, to a downtube cable channel. They just need to incorporate the 29/27.5 compatibility and call the day off.
  • 29 3
 Yep, same kind of tuneability features, but more expensive, worse spec on the build kits, doesn't come with a rad shirt, and no GG customer service. GG FTW!
  • 21 0
 I know all GG frames use the same front triangle, but don’t you need different frame components in the rear to change travel? That’s a pretty significant difference from from what NS has tried here.

I think they are both cool bikes- no need to dog one and hype the other. I’ll gladly take both!
  • 1 0
 @ninjatarian: Different seatstays and shock, the NS needs a different shock mount and shock.
  • 3 0
 The reach adjust is cool, but I think the company that cracks head angle adjustment will be a real winner. Being able to have a 65 head angle for normal trail riding, then put it to 63.5 for fast bike park days is the ultimate quiver (dh bike) killer.
  • 3 0
 you can change the rear wheel travel on a GG just by changing the shock. You use different stays to change wheel size.
  • 9 16
flag skycripp (Nov 7, 2019 at 8:41) (Below Threshold)
 Yeah, I guess these absolute idiots didn't realize that a bike with vague similarities already existed. What a pile of garbage. /s
  • 5 0
 Lol! Not knocking the practice, but this is first and foremost a way to stretch the investment of a single mold to suit as many customers as possible
  • 4 0
 @gtill9000: The Trail pistol can run either wheel size with the flip of a chip. To change travel (on Revvd carbon) requires a different shock and seatstays. They can do quite a bit to customize your bike. I.E. MegaSmash, or ShredDawg which is a shorter travel megatrail.
  • 3 3
 @cole-inman: New 2020 Knolly Warden. Super easy adjustable head angle with one bolt (lower shock mount bolt) easily done trail-side if you want.

Spec it with a 170mm fork and you get HA options of - 64.25 in "Slack" and 65 in "Neutral"

Or you can go with the Warden LT which has 168mm (basically 170) rear travel, and it's specc'd with at 170mm fork, but most will opt for the 180mm and you have HA options of 64 in Slack or 64.75 in Neutral (with a 180 fork).

The Wardens (LT and non) are also modular like the Fugitive LT and non-LT. The only difference between the two is actually just the shock and fork. So you could essentially buy the Warden, add the second longer stroke shock (which they'll sell you), then.. you could even just spec it with the 160mm fork, but, buy a additional 180mm air shaft. Then you'd have a 160/160 bike for normal trail riding with the option of HA's of 65.5 or 64.75... and the ability to pretty easily turn it into a 170/180 mini DH bike with HA options of 64 or 64.75. And these bikes already come with a 157 rear end so they can handle all that any bike park can dish out.

Anyway, lots of options with Knolly's new frames and designs.
www.knollybikes.com/wardenv2
www.knollybikes.com/wardenltv2

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  • 1 0
 @maxyedor:

I've been used/abused Snabb carbon for over two years...crack near BB pops up/ shit happens

1. send email to NS - with photos
2. send front triangle - once arrived- I've got confirmation from the courier - the same day they did expertise
3. the next day they send me Brand new/updated front triangle

I call that 1st Class Service
  • 28 17
 Perfect place to route cables if you like them filthy and rubbing against your frame...
  • 8 4
 yep, mud trap
  • 19 0
 A removable down tube protector would make sense in this situation. You already have to install the cable bracket so why not cover the whole area?
  • 16 0
 @nyhc00: don’t canyon bikes already have this kind of channel, but fully covered?
  • 5 2
 @jaame: Knock-off of GT groove tube on Force/Sensor/Fury carbon frames. But GT put it on the up-side so it is protected.
  • 29 6
 @R1derL1fe The cables are in the housing, they don't get filthy.
  • 8 2
 @jaame: Probably, I don’t know a ton about Canyon. Except that they’re owned by the same corp that owns BackCountry so they are of course evil. Haha
  • 3 1
 So, small riders don't need to apply.
  • 1 0
 Its easy to work with. My bike's cable routing looks similar. Tho you want to use protection tape on your headtube. that's where it's going to damage paint. On closer inspection. mine doesnt have those channels in the frame itself tho.
  • 8 0
 But there are graphs
  • 12 0
 Still beats the heck out of internal routing.
  • 3 5
 @nyhc00: thanks for pointing that out. It’s good to know so I can move them from the “possible” list to the “never” list of bikes to buy
  • 7 0
 After enough cable rub and muddy cables sanding the carbon fiber, the bike will end up with internal routing. Voila!
  • 4 2
 @gibspaulding: depends on the internal routing...if there's a big fat hole for the cables to pop out of, or better yet, moulded tubes inside, I'd much rather have the cleanness of internal.
  • 10 0
 the pinkbike engineers strike again^
  • 1 0
 @jaame: yes they do, and it works great!
  • 2 1
 @jaame: You can't be serious? Do you know how PE groups work? Or are you just a complete twat?
  • 1 1
 Im not sure a lot of people know that Backcountry is suing small businesses for using the word Backcountry. Plain ridiculous.
  • 2 1
 @opignonlibre: Just what do you think happens to all that mud and other crap that gets thrown up onto the downtube?

It's very obvious you've never owned a bike with the cable there. Those cables hold all that crap that wouldn't normally stick to a down tube. Then it gets between the frame and down tube, is a bitch to clean. Hated it such much on my 12 Stumperjumper that I will not buy a frame with the cables along the down tube or one with a loop of cable under the BB.

Almost worse than a PF BB.
  • 3 0
 @skycripp: I’m just a complete twat.
  • 3 0
 @jaame: I don't believe that the parent co. of Backcountry.com owns a controlling interest in Canyon. So its like you not wanting to buy an iPhone or BMW because the jagoff in the office owns some shares. That's my take on it at least.
  • 1 0
 @nyhc00 @jaame TSG Consumer Partners, LLC. own a minority stake in @Canyon-PureCycling —— along with investments in 60+ other well known brands such as "Pabst Blue Ribbon" "Comet" "Famous Amos" "Vitamin Water" "Planet Fitness" etc..
  • 1 0
 @jaame: Your proposed boycott of Canyon because a PE group has a minority stake in it is like not buying anything from any publicly traded company because some shareholder somewhere is probably a pedo.
  • 1 0
 @skycripp: hellz yeah it is
  • 5 0
 NSBikes selling points are custom tune ability with their frames, 2 different feeling bikes (of course with another shock), change the actual top tube reach with the headset, change the head angle with the BB drop chip, and the cables are easy access for maintenance, is a win to consumers. They should sell the frame direct to consumers.
  • 5 0
 Anti squat data look corrupt considering the pivot placements or cog is off. 140% in sag seem way excessive for that design. But good choice to publish those data in a press release, should be the norm...
  • 1 0
 I agree... based on these graphs, the 150 doesn't go below 100% anti-squat until you almost bottom out? And the 130 doesn't even go below 100%, it's at 104% at bottom-out?? Am I reading this wrong, because that's horrible if correct.

What are these Orange bikes?
  • 1 0
 Agreed. Looks like someone did the calc's with a 20T chainring, instead of 30T.
  • 5 0
 The leverage curve graph looks a bit deceiving... One might say that those kinematics are super progressive, but looking closely on y-axis tells a different story..
  • 1 0
 Yep, pretty much linear, which is probably good because why else would you have it get regressive at the end of the stroke and make bottoming out easier ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • 7 2
 As Always they look amazing but are just bit more expensive compared to similar bikes
  • 2 1
 Agree
They have what seem to be cool bikes, but don't have the name to charge a boutique tag.
I think they would do a lot better if the prices were closer to, let's say, Nukeproof level.

I was in search of a frame (ended up buying a complete) some months ago and the Snabb had the right numbers, but the frames were around €2300 or so. That's premium level for an alloy frame (IMO), the Mega 290s where popping up discounted at €1300-1500 at the time. Even a Sentinel frame can be had at €1900, before discounts
  • 3 1
 @Arierep: CRC make and own Nukeproof so they only have to care about making +% of profit for themselves. However, CRC import NS Bikes from NS bikes so they have to pay out +% profit to NS bikes then resell with +% for themselves. So it does make sense to buy the Nukeproof if you want more bike for the cash. I think it would make sense for NS to sell consumer direct only like Commencal. So they can compete against CRC instead of helping CRC while kicking the other countries' NS distributors in the nuts with CRC grey imports. I am surprised they have not already done so.
  • 2 1
 @dirtybikejapan: I said Nukeproof, but could have mention a handful of other brands instead.
Plenty of brands offer 29er alloy enduro frames for well under €2000, many of them through conventional distribution channels. Even the Santa Cruz Hightower MK2 frame can be had for under that.
The same for completes.

The prices they have for the frames are above Orange level, on par with Pole Evolinks (boutique brand with many unique selling points) and not that far from reaching Nicolai level.

And two more comments:
- CRC does not make Nukeproof, they order them from a supplier like almost everybody else
- Actually, the prices I mentioned for the Mega 290 frames were not from CRC

PS: may I add that I believe NS should charge whatever they want for their products, and looking at their frames you'll see a lot of complex shapes which likely justify the price tag. I just think it's the wrong market positioning for their brand and might be the reason you won't see more of them around
  • 3 0
 $4400 for a GX build is very competitive in US. Most GX builds are over $5k.
  • 2 0
 Yup I've also wondered who buys these as I've always thought of NS Bikes not as premium manufacturer
  • 1 0
 @dthomp325: In Europe not really.
That being said you can always find the common sizes available for sale this time of the year. That's how I got one of em.
  • 2 0
 @Arierep: How many carbon enduro bikes on FOX costs les than 4500$?
I know only Canyon with better set up and prices.
If someone thinks that NS should cost less than BIG BRANDS bikes, sholud look and ride those bikes first - NS bikes looks awesome and has much more progressive geometry than most bikes now and I love it
Of course Define is not perfect bike, but I love mine.
  • 1 0
 @Arierep: Yeah CRC do not physically make Nuke Proof but they do own the band. So once they buy frames from the factory they mark it up and sell it off, but they get NS from NS so NS buys from a factory marks it up then sells to CRC they mark it up then you can buy it. Two profit margins need to be fulfilled.
  • 1 0
 @bikefuturist: their dirt jumper frames are the best imo, and they have a huge following throughout the world. That's how they started out. i have 2 of their dj frames and wouldn't want to ride anything else!
  • 1 0
 @jergus: Yep my 2015 Snabb had angles / reach some of the big brands are only just releasing.
  • 4 0
 I honestly can't make any sense of any graph. There could be a graph on why I'm dumb and I wouldn't get it. Those prices are ridiculous.
  • 5 1
 The prices are ridiculously good, you mean? Genuinely asking, because I was surprised by how cheap they are. A bike from Santa Cruz with the same specs is easily $8-9k.
  • 1 1
 Pricey of the frame are very high, but bikes ? same prices as for example Giant but NS bikes looks better and ride better I think.
Everyone buys what he likes.
  • 1 0
 @skycripp: fair points, vote up.
  • 2 0
 I have had my front tire throw some f*cking Meteor size rocks into my down tube... Makes me a little nervouse about having the routing below the downtube.

@NSBIKES if you already have screw on cable clamps just make a down tube cover that protects the cables the whole way down using the preexisting mounting.
  • 2 0
 Rode the RM Slayer '11 which had the same cable routing for 7 years and never had any problems. It also had cables under the BB which I thought was going to be call for disaster but nope. Everything was fine.... who would have known...
  • 1 0
 Really like the shape and geo on this bike, but cable routing does raise questions. The downtube clamps would make it possible to 'hack' some sort of guard for the cables I guess, though it's strange NS haven't fitted something from factory.
  • 1 0
 @TheBearDen: yep I agree, I had a rock sever my rear brake hose on my Radon Swoop where it went under the BB, since then I always reroute cables on top of the down tube, over BB and on top of chain stays under Velcro. The 2019 NS Snabb 160 did exactly that no modifications needed and it just works. No idea why they would move to under down tube, terrible idea. Otherwise looks great except it’s not 650b.
  • 2 0
 Damn! all this NS hate. As a dirt jumper I have to stand up for them. Their dj frames are best of the best imo. I have two. Majesty and Decade. I can't say enough good things about their frames. But finding ns parts in the u.s. is impossible. I have been ordering my parts from Canada, and lately at a ridiculous price. You can only buy full bikes from the NSBikesUSA store. Stupid! BTI can never get the part you want when you go to your LBS. so my real frustration with them is that i can't get enough of their product. i couldn't even get some cool stickers to throw on my truck. Anyway, I love my frames and wouldn't ride anything else
  • 3 0
 If you want a Made-In-USA and aluminum version of this, check out the Reeb Sqweeb v3. Same variable suspension travel with different lower mount.
  • 2 1
 REEB is doing this better IMHO
  • 3 0
 Please post more reviews with many graphs of leverage ratios. I’m a very sensitive rider and have very picky taste in how I bomb down a hill or pedal across a field.
  • 1 0
 Got 1300k done on a Define 150 1 this summer. Amazing bike. Absolutely no issues with cable routing. Standard bike washing does remove any mud that gets around the cable housing. You will probably want to get some bigger brakes if you are a non light rider though.
  • 2 0
 Could have added adjustable chainstay length like the Fuzz too. Being able to choose between 440mm and 450mm would be good for me with those reach numbers.
  • 2 0
 How the hell is price of Polish bike sold for USD 630 EUR cheaper than the one sold for EUR in Europe...
  • 7 0
 Prices in the US don’t include sales tax. They do in Europe.
  • 3 0
 VAT
  • 3 0
 @jamesdunford: aah, true
  • 1 0
 it's possible to buy new snabb carbon complite bike in Poland for less than 3000$ or tested ones even cheaper.
  • 1 0
 @kekke: hum I’ve never been to Poland maybe I need a holiday to pick one up.
  • 2 0
 @StevieJB: highly recommended, especially the southern part, where you can test your bike before you go back home
  • 3 0
 Good looking bike, but I'm here for the leverage curve graphs.
  • 2 0
 Looks like a great bike, but sizing is big. The medium is sized like a large and there is no small.
  • 2 0
 Get those bikes down to the Bootleg demo event! Great proving ground to nut up or shut up.
  • 1 0
 For everyone complaining about the price, just wait a year and these will be on Jensonusa for 20% off (which is how they should be priced now).
  • 3 3
 A 29er in 2019? Without looking, 64-65ha, 76+sa, 440+cs and reach somewhere between 465-480. Travel has to be 155-170.

How any correct?
  • 1 0
 Miss on the travel, but other than that not bad.

I’ll give you a B+
  • 2 0
 Shot travel is the new 170
  • 2 0
 @fluh: ufff, I glad Define is 130mm with GEO better than lot of "170 superenduro"
  • 1 0
 @jergus: hmm i like to switch from a capra to a stumpjumper evo Wink
  • 1 0
 @fluh: Do it!
  • 2 0
 Cables anywhere on the bottom of a mountain bike... facepalm.
  • 1 0
 Why not spec the top build with a Float X2? It’s more adjustable and is suits the 155 bike better than the DPX2.
  • 2 1
 looks like a new ns snabb but more capable .. i wish i could afford one
  • 1 0
 Graphs are small and hard to read.
  • 1 0
 Seatpost insertion length is gonna be tiny. Looks like a Marin Rift Zone.
  • 1 0
 small seatposts are literally the worst
  • 1 2
 “ you still need another set of suspension, but not more than that.” because we all have an extra suspension set sitting around the house. Come on.
  • 1 1
 Hybrid internal/external? No, that’s external with OEM cable ties. Period.
  • 1 0
 Really like these color combos.
  • 1 0
 Imagine playing 4500€ for a bike with guide Ts
  • 2 1
 10mm reach to play with? Wow. And nothing in between?
  • 1 0
 A minimum reach of 450mm? Sheer STUPIDITY Frown
  • 2 1
 Geo looks good for me.
  • 3 6
 “ successful romance with 29” wheels resulting with the birth of the Snabb 150 and Snabb 130”

Yes, successful... snabs are destroying dampers. Multiple problems with leaking after month of riding...
  • 5 0
 Never had a problem with mine
  • 4 0
 I have plenty friends with Snabbs, all models and years and never heard of this problem.
  • 1 0
 it's 280!
  • 1 3
 I kinda like it. Lack of RockShox build Kit Kills it for me though
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