Nukeproof's Blackline DirtSuit is Inspired by Snow Sports

Nov 24, 2023
by Jessie-May Morgan  
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Not a moment too early, Nukeproof throws its hat into the ring with a waterproof onesie for MTB. Both a onesie, and not a onesie, the Nukeproof Blackline DirtSuit is a modular affair. It is comprised of a waterproof hooded jacket, and waterproof pants with optional braces, with the capacity to connect and disconnect the upper and lower garments with a zip at the rear. Nukeproof calls it the Dirt Skirt.

Effectiveness of the Dirt Skirt is sure to be contingent upon how well-sealed that rear zipper is. Nukeproof use a waterproof YKK Aquagaurd zipper here, and everywhere else for that matter; the jacket's main zipper, its three pockets, the two pockets on the front of the pants, the armpit ventilation pockets, and the zips on the lower legs.

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Velcro secures a non-elastic waistband, with optional braces as extra backup
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Key clip for safe keeping

The Blackline DirtSuit has been in development for 18 months, with the designers in Belfast taking inspiration from snow sports gear. The resulting piece of kit is pretty versatile. To our knowledge, most other waterproof suits are a dedicated one-piece construction. Some, like the Endura MT500 II One-Piece, can be fully unzipped in the jacket portion allowing for more air flow, but remain fixed to the pants at the rear such that you can't properly de-layer.

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The jacket's hood should fit over a helmet
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Braces are removable and adjustable

The DirtSuit's main fabric has a 3-layer construction, with a 4-way stretch blend of nylon and spandex. Hydrophobicity is conferred via a layer of DWR, or durable water repellency. As with any DWR-coated fabric, its continued water resistance will be dependent on how regularly one re-proofs the fabric. Nukeproof says water repellency should be good for around 20 washes (critically, without use of regular detergent), and will thereafter require washing with a high quality proofing product, such as Nikwax.

The waterproof rating is 10,000mm, with the breathability at 10,000 g/m². Going by those numbers alone, it's equivalent to the Leatt HydraDri 3.0 Mono Suit, but less waterproof and less breathable than Endura's equivalently-priced MT500 II One-Piece. The latter's DWR coating is also PFC-free, whereas Nukeproof's DWR is a less environmentally-friendly DWR that does contain perfluorinated compounds.



The Nukeproof Blackline Dirt Suit retails at £450. That's equivalent to the Endura MT500 II, but significantly more expensive than one-piece options from Leatt and Dirtlej.

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It is available in 5 sizes, from XS-XXL. Only the regular leg length is available for now, though there are plans for short and long versions to come. The DirtSuit does not have a women's specific fit, though we are told a women's version is planned for 2024.

For the moment, Nukeproof is unable to ship to North America, though business continues in the UK and the EU.

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  • 45 7
 If the weather is so bad that waterproof pants and a rain jacket can't keep me dry-ish, I probably don't want to go mountain biking anyway. I don't really get the concept of a onesie, it's too awkward and technical for my taste.
  • 65 166
flag pargolf8 (Nov 24, 2023 at 4:47) (Below Threshold)
 Thats how i feel about germans, too awkward and technical for my taste
  • 34 2
 I love the Germans.
  • 95 4
 @IntoTheEverflow: cheers neighbour. Love the americans too, except for pargolf8
  • 19 2
 @hardtailpunter: your new Yankee friend is not wrong, though.
  • 43 22
 @pargolf8: I'm sure you thought that was a fun joke, but WTF kind of comment is this? Ya think @hardtailpunter is "the enemy" or something? No - he's surely a bike bro.

Heads up @hardtailpunter - and my apologies - that 99.9% US riders on PB here are not dicks like pargolf8 and this slow-creep of white-guy nationalist greivance on a bike artilce truly has no place in the comment section or anywhere on PB.

I never try to insult riders here but paragolf8 - your comment is junk - this is a clothing article. Pull yr panties up and man up. The context here is clothing and not sniping on entire nationalities.
  • 10 83
flag pargolf8 (Nov 24, 2023 at 7:18) (Below Threshold)
 @Mtn-Goat-13: aww you’re cute when you’re mad
  • 13 4
 @pargolf8: Says the 11 year old.
  • 11 29
flag JLantz (Nov 24, 2023 at 9:00) (Below Threshold)
 @Mtn-Goat-13: WTF? You need to pull your head out of your ass.
  • 7 2
 don't come to british columbia then
  • 5 1
 This is where I was sure I’d read a bunch of comments extolling the virtues of winter riding and shaming you for not being hardcore enough. Instead there’s this other tedious BS. Pinkbike never ceases to surprise me!

Anyway, “Es gibt kein schlechtes Wetter…” You can fill in the rest.
  • 1 0
 @fiekaodclked: There we go! Or England! Don’t forget about England. I hear they get a bit of rain and mud from time to time.
  • 1 0
 @TheR: I wouldn't be so sure. Their usual weather came to spend the Autumn here in Basel
  • 12 2
 @Mtn-Goat-13: lighten up dude it's just a joke, looks like the renowned sense of humour deficiency doesn't just apply to zee Germans.
  • 10 6
 @pargolf8: wow that got some mega down votes for what was just a joke. It made me laugh and I saw it for what it was which was just a pretty funny comment with zero harm intended.
  • 12 1
 @Neil6: “white-guy nationalist grievance…” Cause everyone knows that if there’s one thing “white-guy nationalists” can’t abide by, it’s Germans.
  • 2 18
flag pargolf8 (Nov 25, 2023 at 4:11) (Below Threshold)
 @Mtn-Goat-13: you’re a dbag, assville. Got your panties all in a little bunch didn’t ya? YOU RIDE A NINER?? HAHAHAHA
  • 1 16
flag pargolf8 (Nov 25, 2023 at 4:12) (Below Threshold)
 @danger13: good one peligro! Im 14 actually though so eat dix
  • 1 17
flag pargolf8 (Nov 25, 2023 at 4:14) (Below Threshold)
 @Taylor084: i got a lot of haters on the internet lol. And i was just referencing women…and she was austrian…none the less, latinas only for me
  • 3 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: dude chill.
  • 6 4
 @pargolf8: Don't let the easily triggered victim mentality folks shame you for poking fun at germans. It didn't come off like hate speech to me; just a salty cultural identity jab that accurately calls out a stereo-type, yet realistic set of germanic common quirks. My friends, we used to be able to laugh at ourselves and indeed, each other, in good natured and healthy ways. Remember the TV Show "In Living Color"? No racial hatred, just enjoying a laugh at the ridiculous cultural, racial, and even religious stereo-types most of us, like it or not, represent from time to time. Let's stop getting our shamois in a twist over this politically correct BS. Call me a crusty sis gender evil white American toxic male over the hill surf rat and I'll just shrug my shoulders and laugh along with you. Cheers, and let's just relax and not miss the joke that is ALL OF US!
  • 5 0
 @StewartHowe: this! No German got annoyed in the process of this thread. No German would ever be annoyed by the words of a Muricano.
  • 1 0
 @hardtailpunter. You obviously doesn't own an EEB.
It's been chilly and wet here, hit -7 yesterday on the way to the Scottish cycling awards ceremony.
These more waterproof offerings are attractive to us northern folk
  • 1 0
 @hardtailpunter: perfect reply to a cnthead
  • 2 0
 @Taylor084: a lot, maybe most, Americans are sick of the Amerucans who ALWAY find something disagreeable about ANYTHING foreign. And then HAVE to annuciate it to the world.
Most of us are sick of the serial victimhood expresses by hackers with no humor like pargolf.
If you have to say that stuff Truth Social is always taking new subscribers.
  • 13 1
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  • 2 0
 @JLantz: thatz some good art. You should meet my painting dog.
  • 34 6
 I have never owned a dwr product that is actually waterproof…
  • 18 4
 tell us about how you regularly wash and proof your products...
  • 21 2
 No shit. Do you know what DWR stands for?
  • 6 0
 @TimMog: Durable water repellent
  • 3 0
 It says 3-layer construction though?
  • 9 2
 @mtbflow24: Correct. Repellant, not waterproof.
  • 23 0
 @TimMog: Daily Wet Ride
  • 23 0
 10,000mm aka pissed wet after 20mins
  • 4 0
 @curtiscycles: but what product line do you fine british men and women actually recommend to stay dry even in the muddiest conditions?
  • 52 0
 @Tiefkuehlpizza: you'll never be dry. Either you will get wet from the outside or from the inside.
  • 3 2
 @Tiefkuehlpizza: anything that feels like its made of rubber, and preferable Hellyhansen
  • 5 0
 @Tiefkuehlpizza: I have Dirtlej trousers (can't do the suit as I boil alive even in winter with a jacket) and they have kept me dry though British winter.
  • 2 1
 @Tiefkuehlpizza: silicone or PU coated fabric that has plenty of ventilation buit in.
  • 20 0
 @iiman: You're not that Somerset gimp guy, are you?
  • 42 1
 @Tiefkuehlpizza: Skin is waterproof, anything you put over it is just to stop you from getting arrested
  • 1 5
flag KK11 (Nov 24, 2023 at 5:47) (Below Threshold)
 Go figure
  • 9 0
 @TimMog: The DWR coating is just to let the drops run off the fabric. The three-layer system should be waterproof, but it certainly doesn't help if the outer fabric is soaked.
Problem is most DWR coatings are anything but durable, and all those fancy (and expensive) products to 'reproof' it are rubbish too.
  • 8 0
 @Tiefkuehlpizza: Just deal with being wet and muddy for a few hours.
  • 2 2
 @Muckal: goretex.
  • 8 1
 @TimMog: Somerset gimp guy got cancelled.

Bloody woke brigade stopping latex-clad people writhing on the ground in public
  • 11 2
 @Tiefkuehlpizza: okay, let’s talk rain, let’s talk about getting wet for hours and days. I have toured for weeks in wet weather and there is nothing that will keep you dry that is also breathable, period.

Breathable fabrics work best for snow in dry climates, but make that fabric wet enough and it’ll soak through.

The other side of this issue is sweating, which you will do if you exercise in water proof gear. Vents and layering are your friends.

So save your money.
  • 4 8
flag islandforlife (Nov 24, 2023 at 8:27) (Below Threshold)
 @sanchofula: That's not true for quality three layer products. I snowboard on the south west coast of Canada and it is anything but "dry". The most important quality for ski/snowboard gear on the west coast if "waterproofness and breathability."

I've been riding out here for almost 30 years and been through many many sets of gear. Most of the quality stuff does exactly what it says. Frankly it has to or millions of skiers/snowoarders over here wouldn't be able to handle the conditions if it didn't.

I often am snowboarding all day in "wet snow" conditions where it's snowing heavily either just below freezing or just above and turns to water as soon as it hits you. Riding the chair up, you're getting covered my melted/melting snow Or riding in what ends up just being rain. We ride fast so we're basically getting jet streamed by wet snow or rain, often blasting through deep wet powder that is getting sprayed up and all over us, falling and rolling around in it.

As long as it's quality gear, yes the outer layer will eventually get soaked as it overwhelms the DWR, but the inner layer always keeps the wet out... day in and day out.

We're also generally working hard, we'll do full laps of peak to creek at Whistler with very little stopping and work up a huge sweat. Again, good gear does an incredible job of breathing this out.

We'll also do a couple multi-day/night ski/split board touring trips through the same conditions. Again, good gear = dry inside.
  • 3 0
 @sanchofula: how is this downvoted? Ride in the wet and you'll get wet eventually. Period. But surely that's not holding me back?
  • 1 0
 @islandforlife: can you make a recommendation for pants and jacket for riding that work well in wet and have some vents too? I’m new to PNW and haven’t really figured out a good way.
  • 2 1
 @Muckal: because the sheep are trying to justify their $700 jackets
  • 4 0
 @ryan77777: Endura MT500
  • 1 0
 @warmerdamj: Ye i just got the jacket and have been in quit a few "English" down pours and it seems to be holding its own!!
  • 1 0
 @mtbflow24: pants are great too, and it all has awesome vents. It's not cheap but I've had the jacket for years now and it's just as good as day 1.
  • 3 0
 I have never owned water proof bike gear that doesn’t turn into a ziplock bag sauna full of sweat.
  • 3 0
 @st-lupo: proper vents and proper base layers help. I also only use mine when it's pretty cold out. Base layers are likely the most important, I've learned from skiing that you need to create a micro climate under your gear, using the lightest base layers you can. Preferably stuff that's skin tight too.
  • 1 0
 @Tiefkuehlpizza: Natural wool socks and merino wool next to the skin is good. Might still get wet/damp but should stay comfortable.
  • 3 0
 @Tiefkuehlpizza: vasoline and a cup of bovril ....eee by gum
  • 1 0
 @Tiefkuehlpizza: Royal Racing waterproof jacket and trousers are pretty solid. I have had the jacket a good few years in all kinds of conditions and it has always stood up to the British weather. I just stick it on a rinse after each ride with either a hose pipe or the washing machine and once a year spray some Nikwax on it.
  • 1 0
 @warmerdamj: Thats good to hear!!
  • 2 0
 Get some proper mud guards like long mudhugger front and rear, that helps a lot.
  • 2 0
 The problem with even the best breathable waterproof layers is that they are no longer breathable once the rain is heavy enough to wet on the surface. I can see this being good for uplift days, but for pedalling days the best way to go in heavy ran is quick drying warm-when-wet wool base layers and something more sightly and crash resistant over the top.
  • 1 2
 My experience shows GoreTex works better than triple layer jackets. Sure, an older triple layer jacket, but GoreTex nevertheless breathes MUCH better (when properly taken care of and impregnated) and is more durable (my triple layer RF jacket fell apart in 2 seasons, completely delaminated).

If there are better and cheaper alternatives out there, great. I'll let the anti-sheep find out which is actually the one working. Until then I'll happily wear my 300, 400 € GoreTex jacket and leave buying 5 200 € jackets to other people so I can buy only one 200 € jacket.

Also,FYI, Gore also makes automotive membranes enabling waterproofness and venting of internal cavities in automotive parts (lights and the like). Or eBike motors for the electrical fans out there. The Gore from GoreTex. And the membrane is, of course, Teflon. And we are talking about applications that have to work for years and Gore stuff is considered the best in the field.

We'll see that the PFAS ban will bring about, there are PE and PU shell alternatives out there (Futurelight being one of them), but like I said, I'll leave it to other people to test it out for the time being and run my GoreTex jacket to destruction.

EDIT: one of the comments from under the video:
"@wtfdinges
11 days ago
I thought it was already common knowledge that GoreTex is pretty much the same thing as a lot of the others. However, the problem with the others is that, unless you're really into this stuff, it is extremely difficult to know which ones are good and which are garbage. All things considered, GoreTex is at least consistent in its quality and still among the best in the market (your graph at 8:50 even shows it to be the most waterproof of the bunch)."

This goes along my comment that I don't want to try out 5 200 € jackets and prefer to run a single 400 € one.
  • 5 0
 @Primoz: Gore Tex is just one branded version of the same triple layer tech. There are many triple layers products that are basically exactly the same or very similar and do the same thing as gore tex at similar or more expensive or less expensive price points. Just like anything else, some companies do it well and others don't. I've had shitty GoreTex products and fantastic copy cats.

Gore-Tex was invented in 1976 by Bob Gore, and had the patent for 20 years until it expired in 1997. So it's just the most well known and marketed brand.

I've used many products that aren't GoreTex. Some have been better, some worse and some about the same.
  • 1 0
 @islandforlife: quit bringing logic to this...
  • 12 0
 Don't forget that those waterproof-breathable membranes are waterproof OR breathable... The DWR should help by beading water on the outside, but once the outside is at all wetted, the breathability goes basically to zero. So if you take it expecting rain, you'll be reasonably comfy until the precip comes down. But if you take it when its already raining and/or the world is already soaked, it's not much better than a plastic bag.

10Ks or 15Ks, doesn't really matter once it's wet, nothing is gonna breathe well at that point.
  • 7 1
 Also the breahtability works by diffusion through the membrane, ie water moves from an area of high concentration to an area of low concentration. The manufacturers use a hydrophobic coating on the outside of the membrane and a hydrophilic coating on the inside to make the water move in the direction they want. Buth that stuff wears off just like the dwr on the face fabric, and after a while it will start breathing in "reverse" if it's wet enough.
  • 12 0
 Nukeproof has a bunch of interesting product, and a really solid bike line up. Add Vitus on the value end, and I was stoked to see them come to the US. It's a bummer that it all went poof because of corporate fuckery at the holding company level. Partially because we in the US miss out on a neat addition to the market, partially because a bunch of people buying bikes now worry about warranty, partially because a bunch of shops sit on NP bike inventory that they now have to heavily discount, but mostly because a bunch of smart talented people brilliantly worked their asses off to successfully spin up distribution for NP in the US, only to find themselves very suddenly unemployed through no fault of their own.
  • 6 0
 I ride through the winter here in Squamish, and have had great success with the 7mesh waterproof garments. The Thunder Pants are expensive, but worth it especially if you have a long inseam. Their products definitely put a dent in my CC, but they also keep me comfortable, even on the wettest days.
  • 3 0
 Running the Skypilot jacket and goretex shorts, this stuff works.
  • 2 1
 @jaydawg69: I bike commute in sometimes very heavy rain, and goretex is the only thing that has consistently kept me dry. No it doesn't breathe well, but neither does any other waterproof membrane.
  • 3 1
 @ranchitup: I've doubt you've tried all the fabrics and anecdotal evidence is well not very scientific. It's a good material but there are other technologies out there that are just as good that are way cheaper. Goretex is just a hype product imo.
  • 4 1
 @jaydawg69: Goretex has one of if not the highest waterproof ratings of any fabric. This correlates with my experience compared to other fabrics. I sincerely doubt there are equally rated fabrics that are "way cheaper" but if there are feel free to name them.
  • 2 0
 @ranchitup: Helly Hansen is going to be the highest waterproof ratings if that's what you are looking for. Nothing is going to breathe in rain so there's that. But there are alternatives to the marketing machine of Goretex like eVent, futurelight, Pertex Shield, Omni Tech, Porelle Dry, H2No, etc all with advantages/disadvantages to GT.
  • 5 0
 @ranchitup: I'm with jaydawg on this. That fortnine video is pretty well researched and makes a compelling argument for looking at alternatives to Goretex.
  • 8 0
 For £450 I’ll pass and just buy a set of braces for my current endura wet weather gear.
  • 4 0
 450 GBP and it's just 10k/10k? If they were really taking inspiration from snow sports clothing with that level of waterproofing and breathability this would be the cheapest entry level kit that's close to half that price. Currently the price of this is 90% of the cost of a top end waterproof jacket and pants from 7mesh that use Goretex Pro. So what's the justification for the pricing of this from Nukeproof?
  • 7 5
 You would think with the Wiggle/CRC mess that NP, Vitus etc would first pump out the press release on how their brands are safe and will support all warranties etc. You would have to be living under a serious pile of DIRT to buy anything from them at anything close to retail the moment
  • 10 2
 How on earth do you want them to do that when they don’t know the future of the company, you want them to see through a crystal ball?
  • 6 4
 @justanotherusername: They could announce how long they know for sure that they're trading for and give some guarantees that orders will be shipped and valid returns will still be accepted during that time.

Currently it feels risky ordering from an insolvent company.
  • 2 0
 Based on mt experience with NP clothing I would buy regadless of all the fuss. They offer quality products. I own several pieces of equipment from NP and never had a problem. However, I must agree with you that the products should be offered with a slight discount because of the risk you mentioned. But to be clear, I would not be afraid to buy their equipment right now. As a matter a fact I just bought 2 horizon saddles (it was a deal, but I would buy even if it was not discounted since it it is the best saddle my butt has ever seen) If they go out of business I might buy 5 of those just to have a personal stock for the future.
  • 4 0
 @tom666: that might be 5 days for all we know. The best way to turn 5 days into 2 days would be a press release saying 5 days.
  • 3 1
 It’s not a mess, bike brands regularly change ownership, holdings or whatever.
Unlike the large majority of bike brands around, Nukeproof is selling more and more and quality product.
Be sure there is queue of dozens of possible buyers for the brand. No need to worry.
  • 3 2
 @tom666: no they can’t, they are in administration so the administrators are in control not anyone at CRC / wiggle etc.

You are talking nonsense, don’t buy from them if you don’t understand the situation and don’t expect them to communicate the unknown.
  • 2 1
 @justanotherusername: When I say "they" I mean whoever is in charge, which at this point will be the administrators. Some guarantee that orders will be shipped is pretty key, otherwise many people will be too scared to order and they will struggle to liquidate the stock.

What do you prefer, 50% off and will definitely be shipped or 70% off but order may never be shipped and you have a long battle with your bank or credit card to try to get the money back.
  • 1 2
 @tom666: they can’t guarrantee what will go on, that’s the entire point - on what terms will a new buyer take the company over? Who will take it over? When will it be taken over?

You know it’s in administration, they have declared it now it’s up to you if you order at not understanding the clearly communicated risk.

Just accept how it is and purchase or alternatively don’t, it’s as simple as that. Lots of bargains for those that so though.
  • 1 0
 @tomo12377
Certainly could be risky. Though I hope some company buys just Nukeproof and elevates the brand. I think they have some great stuff. But you could see how bad CRC implemented the US nukeproof. Nothing was ever available at shops that signed up or even on their US website but you could click on the CRC website and find the bike you wanted in stock. They will blame the pandemic but I think they clearly did not care if shops or the US website was well stocked (or price competitive with the CRC site).
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: They just gave exactly the type of statement I suggested above.

They clarified that they're about to cease the international stores but "The business is committed to honoring all outstanding sales, returns and warranty obligations for international customers through the usual processes."

They made it clear the UK site is still functioning too
  • 3 1
 I've lived in the desert for 23 years but before that I lived places where it rained. Yet I've never had any urge to ride intentionally in the rain. I've certainly ridden in rain, snow, etc. But buying a dri-suit means I intentionally want to go ride knowing that it is raining for the whole ride. Why would I choose to do that?
  • 3 0
 Depends where you live and your commitments. I've got kids so I've got limited time to ride - if it's raining I don't have the luxury of putting my ride off for a bit. I get out then, or I don't at all. For that reason I'm happy to invest in wet weather kit and enjoy the slop! Plus you feel like a hero when you're out when nobody else is - ha ha!
(Although it does make my wife hate me...)
  • 3 0
 I couldn't think of anything better?! Living and riding in Western Australia (southern Mediterranean climate) means you're not riding in the rain all that often. Riding on dry pea-gravel trails is akin to riding on ball-bearings. As it gets wetter, traction increases. Nothing beats bombing down your favourite run with rain dripping of the peak of your visor and tepid water squelching around your ankles... As long as you have dry clothes and a towel waiting for you in the car at the end of the run. It's still about the length of exposure!
  • 1 0
 @iwhizz: and I imagine that it is warm enough to enjoy the rain in shorts and jersey. When I see pants and long sleeves waterproof...I think someone is a glutton for cold rainy weather punishment!
  • 1 0
 @foggnm: I think your glutton for punishment comment is more accurate than most of us are willing to admit, but I'd take torrential rain over insufferable desert heat!

Personally I much prefer riding in the wet, two wheel sliding through every switchback and a constant delivery of semi-manageable "oh shit" moments.
  • 2 0
 In Ireland, Scotland and all over UK mostly if you choose not to ride when is raining you will barely get couple of months of total riding. That's wher this kind of gear makes total sense. Lived 4 years in Dublin, if it wasn't because of Dirtlej suits I wouldn't ride as much as I did.

www.pinkbike.com/u/elyari/blog/what-i-learned-after-3-winters-riding-in-ireland.html
  • 5 0
 450 quid! The Madison MTB waders look a bargain now
  • 1 0
 I prefer endura’s waterproof shorts and jacket with a winter lycra or merino underneath, combined with a primaloft vest for temperature regulation.
When it’s raining it’s all about keeping warm, not dry.
When it’s cold it’s all about keeping dry with good thermoregulation.

The onesie by design does not offer good enough thermoregulation.
  • 3 1
 Wait, I always thought a DirtSuit is what you wear 6 feet under for a DirtNap.
  • 6 0
 A DirtSuit is when you've had an accident in your BirthdaySuit
  • 1 0
 Best to wear a base layer under "waterproof" trousers. I use my old Skins base layer. Trousers can be wet all day long but I hardly notice it.
  • 1 0
 From the photo at the end of the article it seems there is an opportunity for some proper wet weather gloves to complement the onesie.
  • 1 1
 Has nobody mentioned the part where the dwr coating of this shit show still contains perfluorinated compounds? Seriously nukeproof, in this day and age that is total bullshit. Shame on you
  • 2 0
 must be nordic skiing inspired by the looks of it
  • 2 0
 As the kids say… miss me with that
  • 2 0
 10,000mm + 10,000g/m² = a sweaty mess
  • 2 0
 Is it a uk thing to call suspenders braces?
  • 1 1
 Yup, suspenders hold up stockings, braces hold up trousers, pants go under trousers
  • 1 1
 @dotman: who's gonna listen to you. Underpants clearly and obviously go under your pants. Its only southerners and obviously some Welsh folk who ate baffled by this.

Root of pant meaning trouser - check out your English/ Latinate language influence
  • 1 0
 @puukkopedro: trousers from the gaelic trews, no Latin involved pedant.
Pants go under trews, underpants is an amercicanism.
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 @dotman: Sorry mate but you are using 'pants' as an abbreviation of 'underpants'. The term 'underpants' is derived from 'clothing worn under pants'.
The word 'Pants' when used correctly is an abbreviation of 'Pantaloons' which is a type of trouser that was popular in the early nineteenth-century.

Pants are a type of trouser, not a type of underwear.
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 @jim-the-saint: trouse, from 1510 I think you'll find
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 @dotman: Erm, yep I'm aware of the word trouse. Trouse is the anglicised spelling of the Gaelic word triubhas. Trouse/triubhas/trews are all pretty much the same thing, a close fitting breeches. Over time trouse became trouser and the word trouser was eventually used as a general, overarching term for all leg ware.

I don't see how this has any bearing on either of our previous points. You're still wrong.

The history of the words is still:
1 - Pantaloons are a type of trouser that became popular in Europe and the US about the time of the French Revolution.
2 - Over time pantaloons is abbreviated to pants. Over an even longer period of time the word pants, like trousers, becomes a generic term for leg-wear.
3 - Modern underwear was developed in the US in the 1930's. In 1930's America and Europe pants and trousers are the same thing, these new clothing items (boxers, briefs, y-fronts, etc) are to be worn under your pants, hence the generic term of 'underpants'.
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 @jim-the-saint: good god man who cares?
I wear trousers.
I will never pop to my trunk to grab a wrench for the faucet that I got from the store.
Mitmot.
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 Anyone try MX onesie rain suits?
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 It’s winter here. That means it’s summer. But in winter. Time to ride!
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 Does it have a flap for pooping? Quickies in the forest?
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 Wonder how many they have to sell to cover development / production costs?
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 450 is way too much coin for this
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 why are you guys covering products from a company that no longer exists?
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 Its winter..
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 this might shock you, but scientists claim that the weather is not the same everywhere in the world.
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 @Blablablup123: despite the fact that i have a computer in my pocket and a computer on my lap and so on and so forth we all know that scientists can't be trusted.
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 @jeffrocx: this guy does his own research
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 @Blablablup123: Fine, its warm in Thailand, but that doesn’t change the fact that I have to squeeze my balls into ski pants with zero considerations for pedalling in an actual winter in Norway. The bike industry assumes that every bicyclist is on the pinkbike comment section all winter, instead of riding their bikes all year round. They keep releasing summer clothing in the middle of the freakin’ winter! I go downhill riding every day to work, in 20cm snow if I have to, because it is still faster than public transportation. When it got really cold, like -24 degrees Celsius, I had to cut up the crotch area on a pair of ski pants to survive. Refreshing! I looked like the cowboy in YMCA.
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 Squid suit







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