Opinion: Where Are All the Affordable Bolt-On Tube Holders?

Feb 18, 2021
by Mike Kazimer  
Spinning Circles column Mike Kazimer


If you purchased a new bike in the last year or two there's a good chance it has two little bolts threaded into the underside of the top tube. In theory, they're supposed to be for mounting a tube or tool holder, providing another way to take some weight off your back while riding. It's a simple feature to add onto a frame, so it's not surprising that it's showing up on more and more bikes, or at least on the ones that don't already offer in-frame storage.

There's only one problem – there aren't that many accessories out there that actually make use of those two bolts. After mentioning this frame feature in a bunch of articles and videos I sort of assumed that a relatively inexpensive option was already on the market. As it turns out, I was wrong. Yes, Wolf Tooth makes a nice US-made metal bracket and strap for around $30, but all of my internet sleuthing couldn't uncover anything less expensive.

Pivot teamed up with Topeak to produce the Ninja Tool Dock.
Hannah Bergemann Transition Sentinel
Wolf Tooth's B-Rad strap and accessory mount is one of the better options out there.

How about more expensive? You bet. Pivot offers their Ninja Tool Dock, which was created in conjunction with Topeak. It holds a 16 function multi-tool, and will leave your wallet $53 lighter. Not fancy enough for you? Well, High Above just came out with their Gemini MK1 Payload Platform that goes for a whopping $69 USD. Part of the reason for that high price is that it's made in the US out of very high quality materials, including a Kevlar-reinforced hypalon strap to hold everything in place.

The Payload Platform has magnets integrated into it to hold a CO2 and a master link, and it comes in anodized purple as one of the color options, but that's still a lot of money for such a simple item, even if lasers are used to produce it. There's also the fact that the strap isn't all that stretchy, which makes it more difficult to cinch everything down. I ended up doing some modifications, and after some digging around paired a velcro strap with a multi-tool pouch that was just big enough to hold a Schwalbe Aerothan tube. Yes, I know that's an expensive tube, and here I am writing about the lack of affordable tube holders, but I also don't flat very often, and it's crazy light.


High Above's Payload Platform has magnets in the base plate to hold a master link and a CO2. The strap isn't stretchy, though, which makes it hard to cinch items down. A little pouch and a velco strap created something closer to what I wanted.


Here's what I'm picturing: a plastic bracket with slots in it that'll accommodate a rubber ski strap or a velcro strap, one that weighs next to nothing and costs under $20, ideally closer to $10. The edges should be nice and rounded so they don't jab my thighs, and I'd love it if it was made from recycled plastic. Basically, something like a Pedro's tire lever with modifications that make it better suited for holding a tube. Zine, a small company in Germany is making something pretty damn close to what I envision, but at 29.95 € it's still not exactly cheap.

I even got Brian Park, Pinkbike's head of editorial, in on the project. He's been messing around with a 3D printer this winter, and printed off a couple brackets that weighed in at a Dangerholm-approved 5 grams. The first ones are a little narrow, and probably need a groove added to keep a strap from slipping, but they're better than nothing, and I'm way more likely to put them to use than the pedals that he printed.


It's a work in progress (version 2.0 will be wider to keep the tube and strap from shifting), but I feel like something like this that was reasonably priced is the ticket.


The end result of all my hunting is that I'm convinced a window of opportunity has been opened by the addition of these two unassuming top tube bolts. I'm all for supporting the smaller companies, it's just that I don't think this should be an expensive accessory. There is a place for the fancy anodized options, just like how there are titanium and carbon fiber water bottle cages, but there's also plenty of room for someone to step in with even more options. Who knows, if a clever plastics engineer can make something that's function and affordable I might even buy one or two.






260 Comments

  • 239 10
 I carry my crypto and stonks in there. That's why I'm First.
  • 53 3
 Me too. And I use my tendies for tire inserts.
  • 30 4
 Where are the diamond hand gloves?
  • 8 3
 @Deadclmbr: Wrapped around the crypto & stonks of course!.... You save those babies for the insta/go/tik dirtmoney shots.
  • 10 1
 @Deadclmbr: on the moon
  • 9 1
 If your still in, I'm still in.
  • 3 0
 @dexterfawkes: ????????????????????????
  • 5 1
 @Deadclmbr: You are all a bunch of paper hands!
  • 5 2
 Hodl!
  • 5 0
 @Deadclmbr: one does not need gloves for diamond hands.
  • 4 0
 @makripper: all the hodlers are making bank right now.
  • 5 0
 I'll use electrical tape...
  • 3 0
 @Jcolis1904: if it's today, it's Mars (just landed yet another vehicle there to collect dirt samples) -- gotta see how shreddable that dirt is... ;-)
  • 2 1
 @allredbikes: I'm not lol. But I will.
  • 1 0
 @makripper: do it! I’ve done very well investing early in crypto
  • 3 0
 @allredbikes: I was mining Bitcoin in 2010 and bought pizzas with them.
  • 20 0
 I don’t understand any of these comments. Am I too old or too English?...
  • 2 0
 @makripper: been hodl'n for years baby !!! First they laughed, now I'm laughing !!
  • 3 0
 Crypto being top comment on PB... welp, we've all been looking for the top of the market. And this proves it's here. Ha.
  • 2 0
 @zoobab2: now you’re buying houses and lambos lol
  • 2 0
 @zoobab2: 3.5 BTC seemed like such a deal for an XL Meat Lover's Special. too.
  • 3 0
 "I LIKE THE STONK"-Kitty
  • 1 0
 @slumgullion: I like the tube holder. But I can't read.
  • 1 0
 @hlars12: They're looking for Unobtainiium...
  • 1 1
 @Randomscruff: it's a WSB thing over on Reddit.


you need to crayons covered in glue to understand
  • 1 0
 I have never noticed the Stonks meme. Upon googling, the examples in an Urban Dictionary have made me happy.
  • 120 0
 *Goes to shed to drill holes in Pedros tire lever*
  • 23 1
 Nooo not to the best tyre levers ever
  • 66 0
 Personally I'd cut down a $5 water bottle cage
  • 4 1
 @rustiegrizwold: came here to say that and I've been beaten to it!
  • 134 1
 Nice, I'm going to drill some mounting holes in a tube. Will look so much clearer with out a strap to hold it on.
  • 13 0
 @subwaypanda: Dangerholm X Bicyclepubes collab approved
  • 3 0
 @mtb-thetown: ha ha, I just looked that up. True innovation!
  • 6 0
 *just grabs a voile strap and wraps around frame...
  • 4 0
 Puts stuff in jersey pocket....
  • 1 1
 Our comments are the future standards and innovations to come.
  • 8 0
 @MrDiamondDave: simply removes top cap, shoves tube down steertubepushing starnut out, shoves rain jacket into bars, drops trail mix into seat tube, fills tires with first aid supplies/cellphone/trailmap/spatetube/menu for favorite Chinese takeout
  • 3 0
 @Bike-guy2323: you can probably save some rotating weight in the tyres by getting the online menu for the Chinese take away.
  • 2 0
 @rustiegrizwold: exactly. I’ve probably got a broken of crappy bottle cage in my spares that would serve that exact purpose. Or even better, just strap the tube to the frame.
  • 1 0
 pretty sure you're going to ruin a few drill bits if you do that. You need to get some of those really pricey ones they use for drilling tool steel.
  • 1 0
 This reminds me of the debate that got stirred over who "invented" the Maxxis Minion.

Everyone is in such a rush on here to give intellectual property away. Don't make this stuff up for free and give it over to someone else who will finalize your thought and profit it on it.

Got a contribution? Write it down. Document it. Produce it.
Most every good invention in mountain biking was stolen from a stoked rider with a creative thought they mistakenly typed out in a forum. (purely guessing...but mostly trooffff)
  • 26 3
 Electrical tape. Plus having a tape is useful for a lot of situations to get you home, like holding a broken spoke from flopping around, or to replace a broken zip tie. It's non marring, unlike a lot of strap options. If you're really that obsessed with appearances, you can always buy electrical tape in a color to match your frame.
  • 105 0
 Broken spoke must be bended around the survivors ones. Keep up with traditions
  • 19 0
 That still doesn't really answer the question of what to use those two little bolts for... Electrical tape is handy, though; I always wrap some around the pump I carry just in case.
  • 5 5
 @mikekazimer: do you not think this is just a fad that will fade once companies start copying Specialized and trek with down tube storage?!

Granted, punching two more holes into the underside of the top tube and using another two bolts from the bolt tray is a cheap option but, protecting your tools, tubes and all other ancillaries from the elements inside the frame is far better?!


Discuss....
  • 13 1
 @mikekazimer: Send me a hand sketch of what you want. I'll model it in my CAD program and send the STL/STEP file to you. Pro bono.
  • 12 0
 @mikekazimer: here’s one to add to the review. www.76projects.com/shop/littlepiggy
  • 7 0
 @2-1RacingUK: why not both?! I have a Druid. I stash tube, CO2, tire levers, derailleur hanger inside the frame. Stuff I almost never use. Have a B-rad and pouch under the top tube w/ other tools and some snack bars. That way for short/medium rides everything I need is on the bike. For long stuff and when I’m where nobody goes. I’ve got a minimal POC spine vest that can carry extra water, rain jacket, first aid kit and sandwich. The more well designed hidey holes in the bike the better!
  • 3 1
 @MarcPeaceCarrier: Ha! yes! I love that. Tho, if the rim side of the broken spoke is very short, it's not possible to bend. Have you ever lost a nipple inside the rim, had it rattling around? That is the worst! The noise can drive one insane... as can trying to get a nipple out of a rim for an hour without success....
  • 3 1
 @mikekazimer: guerrila gravity at least was selling a cheap bracket for that if i recall
  • 1 1
 @mikekazimer: There's very few downsides to threaded holes in frames, if engineered properly. I think bike designers should concentrate on adding mounts for small, or large frame bags. If weight on the frame is good, then use that space.
  • 4 2
 @adrennan: the GG one works well and will hold tube, co2, multi tool, tire lever and more, but it's $35
  • 1 0
 My Tallboy has one set inside the front triangle for my water bottle holder and a second set on the under side the downtube, just above the bottom bracket bend. What am I supposed to attach there that won't just become a mud/ crud catcher? Seems like a terrible place to put anything. Seriously, what do people attach there?

I use a Mutherload Strap from Backcountry Research, which works pretty well but it shifts around if I put it on a narrow part of the frame. Screw bosses would prevent this. So would electrical tape, I suppose.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: clearly an electrical tape holder
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: please China listen, like you always have and sell it to us for a buck, cheers
  • 2 0
 @JungleT:
Exactly the bike I thought of when I saw the article headline, though I went for the picture showing the spare tube mount. Wtf is with this craze of strapping or bolting crap to your bike where it will get covered in mud and grit every time you ride? On the plus side it seems to be getting lots common to find nice tools that people have lost off their bike ????
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: and then there is the issue of what frame storage is available for a single point mount as on the new spectral 29er top tube!!
  • 2 0
 @kylar: I concur for where it’s actually needed but, look at the reality of what’s likely to happen. People who have more space to store stuff, carry stuff they don’t actually need. Hahaha.
  • 25 0
 Slap a Pinkbike logo on the new bracket and sell it for $20USD.
  • 20 0
 Bought a piece of carbon plate 1mm thick for 8€, cut out what I needed, drilled two holes for the bolts and put a heatshrink tube over the carbon. Works quite nice for a tool and a tube
  • 1 0
 How much of a tighter package is the heatshrink tube?
  • 2 0
 Great DIY-concept as starting point, but I'm scratching my head on the geometry of this: w/ heatshrink over the plate, don't you need standoffs to make room for a strap between frame and plate? Also, 1mm is pretty darn thin, any reason you didn't go w/ 2mm+ ?
  • 17 0
 What a timely article. I just built up my Spur frame and assumed there were 10+ options for how to use those little bolts but all I came up with was the B-rad strap. I wish someone would create something like the Dakine Hot laps gripper that used a mountain plate and had a quick realease so you could pack/access the things in the pack while off the bike then snap it in place on the bike.
  • 1 1
 Exactly what I want for my Druid. If anyone one made that for $25 or less I’d be all over it.
  • 2 0
 @CRcabkri: www.bike-components.de/de/FIDLOCK/Werkzeugbox-TWIST-bike-base-p77543
Check that one out! Can you get those in the states? The magnetic locking mechanism is great and proper secure! It's the same socket for their bottles as well.
Edit: In the prodict picture on that Santa Chameleon it look quite bulky and it is in fact 20cm long. They also have other things to snap to that socet and hopefully come up with something smaller for toptube storage.
  • 1 0
 @maybenotaprofile: they look to be on to something! Shrink it a bit and it’d be perfect
  • 1 0
 @maybenotaprofile: That is exactly exactly what I'm talking about in terms of execution, I'm just not crazy about that shape. I Know, I know, I'm being picky now.
  • 1 0
 @matmattmatthew, @CRcabkri: Like I said I think they probably come up with something appropriate soon. The company seems to be relatively active and up to date with their mtb stuff.

Sorry for that double action...
  • 18 0
 The bracket could work as a tyre lever if it's designed well
  • 1 2
 Uh... so I would have to undo the bolts to get it off the frame to use? How do you mean?
  • 1 0
 @wannabeabiker: nope, look for example at Fabric bottles system, it could work on a similar base
  • 1 0
 @wannabeabiker: I have to undo hardware to get my wheel off. In the rare event of needing a tire lever two fasteners isnt a big deal.
  • 16 0
 76projects... they do a base, or offset base, with a strap, and optional dry bag
  • 2 0
 The best. I've purchased way too many frame storage options and I've found that 76 projects has the smartest design without being too expensive.
  • 2 0
 76projects is the best. I got their storage system on my wife's Trek Slash and its incredible. Aboslutely love it, very high quality
  • 1 0
 @reidhresko not sure why this isn’t at the top...
  • 5 1
 @pcledrew: cuz they advertised it holding a 27.5 tube
  • 9 1
 Wildwood Cycles makes one (in Canada) that works very well - I have one on my Norco Sight. $25 (CAD) and can be used with one or more ski-straps. Link here: www.wildwoodcycles.ca/store/2020/6/30/gghkmjg3492zz0noq4skihnh4psppc
  • 10 0
 Pinkbike, you should have checked out Project 76.

www.76projects.com/on-bike-storage
  • 1 1
 That zip case looks sweet.
  • 1 0
 I use these, the bottle cage extender and the small dry bag. exceptional quality.
  • 1 0
 They look rad, definitely wish I'd seen that before I got the Hot Laps Gripper.
  • 1 0
 I had one but it broke. I honestly have liked the Wolftooth B-Rad system I replaced it with better. The roll top bag fits nicer and it seems sturdier especially with a Fidlock bottle attached.
  • 6 0
 ahem! [url]https://bikepacking.com/news/dewidget-strap-deck-triple/[/url] the drj0nbagworks (that would be me) Strap Deck in size medium seems to fit the bill nicely. and its under $30.

there are options for sides for other applications too...thanks for looking!
  • 1 0
 The plate design looks great and simple, but you still have to buy the Voile straps or provide your own hook and loop. I assume he's looking for a ready to go system for under $30USD. That would include the plate, strap, and IMO a small nylon bag to protect the tube.
  • 5 0
 I still use my small seat wedge bag for tools and CO2, from the 90's, with a wide velcro strap cinched really tight to hold fast and no rattles. I can't remember how much I paid, less than $40, but it's worked for over 25 years, even with a dropper. Tube straps easily anywhere on frame...
  • 1 0
 Prediciton: Anti-seat-bag snobbery is coming to an end. People will finally admit they've been stupid for not using what is clearly the optimal storage for many types of riding.
  • 4 0
 The little 3d printed one is the best! But I've also been using the Wolf Tooth one for a while (I use it with their little roll-top bag and put a tool and a tube, and my itty-bitty pump in there too), and I've been really happy with it. not super cheap, but it's good quality, so I'd say it's worth it.
  • 1 0
 +1 for the Wolf Tooth BRad bag. I've been packless for nearly 6 months using it.
  • 3 0
 Got a buddy to make a 3D printed plastic holder for a c02 and a tube. There is a dot for a ski strap to cinch it down. Tried making one before my lamming a bunch of plastic cutting boards (like a fender) together but the strap would pull the screws through. Had been working great so far, thanks Brody!
  • 3 0
 I know it isn't bolt on, but the Dakine tube wrap thing is honestly the best. It stores a tube (that you can definitely roll up with a patch kit inside), 2 co2's (or 1 co2 and tire levers like I do), and even holds my wolf tooth chain pliers and a folded slimjim or granola bar. I've used it on over 10 bikes now and can always find somewhere secure to strap it. Best $25 I've spent for my bike and keeps a lot of weight off my person. Not a big fan of carrying things on rides and this can pretty much take care of everything. Get a SWAT bottlecage with the multi tool and you got yourself a bangin set up
  • 3 0
 If one is running tire inserts, what's the point of the tube? I'd love to see a small carrying case/device that would hold my plugs (no not bacon strips taped to your cables), CO2 inflator head and maybe a spare co2. Perhaps I missed it but if you're running inserts I need the above far more than I need a spare tube I can't really use...
  • 1 1
 Lezyne road caddy ????
  • 2 1
 I use inserts and so don't carry a tube on my local 1 to 3 hours rides. I use the Raceface Tool Stash Wrap to store 2xCO2's, an inflator head and some zip ties. I also use the OneUp EDC tool in my steerer for my mini-tool, quicklinks, tire lever with jabber and bacon ready to go (plus extra bacon) and quick link tool. I have a water bottle and mini pump attached to my bottle cage.

When I go racing and/or go for a longer ride or one that's further afield I bring a hip pack with a tube, extra bottle of water, extra jacket or shirt and some snacks. Running inserts isn't 100% flat foolproof so if I'm racing or far away I want the option to put a tube in if it's necessary.
  • 1 0
 I have a 76 projects piggy pouch that has a Genuine Innovations plug kit that I modified to use stans darts, a CO2 and inflator, blackburn wayside multi tool and two tire levers (probably won't need them since I run cushcore). It can be bolted or strapped to the frame.
  • 1 0
 @islandforlife: where do you keep your phone?
  • 1 0
 @EmptyBee: shorts have a great side pocket.
  • 4 1
 I want those accessory mounts to be useful, I love gadgets. But having trouble seeing why not just strap a tube/ tiny tool roll directly to the frame instead of strap to a bracket mounted to the frame. Avoiding contact with the frame could cut down on wear and tear to the frames paint but just wrap some silicon tape around the frame at your strap point and that set up probably weighs less than a bracket and bolts.
  • 3 0
 The one up pump already holds all the tools you need plus tire plugs and attaches to the bottle cage you already have, I suppose you could carry a tube, but I’d rather ride home on my Cush core than try and remove the tire trail side and get a tube in there
  • 4 0
 If I had a 3D printer I'd try making a mini pump hold that is centred instead of offset, so the pump runs along under the top tube. Maybe add a slot so a strap can also be used.
  • 3 0
 ooh that's not bad. My eyes twitch a little for no good reason with offset pumps.
  • 1 0
 Wrong product, should be the Topeak Mountain Morph mount, not Road Morph.
www.nashbar.com/topeak-mount-kit-for-mountain-morph-pump-tmp-2c-1/p456922
  • 5 0
 I wish OneUp would make a mount for their EDC Pump that uses these bolts but the pump sits under the top tube instead of beside it.
  • 2 0
 I am pretty surprised that the industry searching for the new standards, somehow forgot to think and find a purpose for two hols in the frame. It could make an mtb life much easier. But probably, when the 3D printer will get less expensive, that idea will become real life.
  • 1 0
 What I want to know is who chose the c to c distance between these screws without a real plan?
  • 1 0
 @two2pedal: If my memory is correct, the French frame builders did sometime in the mid 20th Century. Back then there wasn't a standard water bottle size or standard mounting choice. They decided on the spacing and water bottle size.
  • 3 1
 I heard Dow is working on organically modified enduro bananas which will come with integral peal suitable for this two bolt standard. Promises to revolutionize enduro nutrition with accessibility and clean lines on our frames for calorie storage. #whatatimetobealive
  • 1 0
 Well, then they better take the curve out too, for better aero
  • 3 1
 Its the same spacing as bottle cage mounts... thus ANYTHING designed to fit a bottle cage mount will work already.. Mini pump brackets fit here... so do co2 inflator mounts... and existing mini-tool mounts for the cage mount that's on top of the down tube, or under the down tube, or behind the seat tube. On some frames there's room for an actual water bottle there (the fidlock system works well). Also you can get wing bolts in metric threading, such as is used by bottle cage bosses, and any tools or containers you have that could can think of with a slot or couple holes in middle can be made to fit a bottle cage mount quite easily. If you're not clever enough to figure simple stuff out like this for yourself... you probably shouldn't be allowed to be alone in the woods on a bicycle...

Here's a ratchet set in a pod... count be used with a mini-pump bracket at the same time.There's extra room in the revolver kit cylinder for more bits, tire levers, patches, chain links, etc.

www.ebay.com/itm/JCOOL-Bike-Bicycle-Revolver-Mini-Tool-Kit-Ratchet-combine-W-water-bottle-cage/233512109754?hash=item365e6806ba:g:7egAAOSwYUBa2F18

Here are Stainless steel M5 Wing Bolts in different lengths...

www.amazon.ca/Stainless-Butterfly-Wingbolt-Machine-Fastener/dp/B07PHK6NLZ/ref=sr_1_3_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=wing%2Bbolts&qid=1613686001&sr=8-3-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyVzhHVktOVjZSWE1VJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDgzNDUwM0lQTFUzUjJDOFVFWCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNzkwNDY4MjhXTEc5RUhaUjdXWiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1
  • 1 0
 @adrennan: is that ratchet tool any good?
  • 3 1
 Why is LESS EXPENSIVE such a factor in this? If there aren't that many options to begin with, let's not worry about the cost so much. Let's see ALL of the options and then decide on which one is the best *value* given its form and function. Frankly, I am not interested in putting something that looks ghetto rigged on either of my $10,000 Yeti mid-life-crisis-post-divorce shred sleds (not a humble brag, just a benefit!). Porsches, Gucci, and Rolies, you know? Now let's see those kevlar, carbon, and titanium models!
  • 2 0
 Yea, asking why the cheapest thing can’t be cheaper on glory shots of min 5k bikes. First world problems
  • 2 0
 There was a FB post by Transition Bikes with a Sentinel, I think, and it had a zippered case bolted under the TT. Looked to be waterproof and hard.
Does anybody here know what that might be?
It did not seem to be big enough for a tube. Looked like about the same as the TT in width and height.
  • 2 0
 Repurposed Lezyne Torque Drive bag... www.instagram.com/p/CLFGjzLhojw
  • 2 0
 The planet bike micromite 2 pump attaches to those bolts and has a slot that perfectly fits a one up strap. If you don't attach a water bottle Cage it is a perfect gear holder. As a bonus it's $14 and comes with a high volume hand pump.
  • 2 0
 I bought the wolf tooth b rad strap which I thought was pretty expensive but neat way to hold a tube and some accessories, imagine my joy when I found out I had to pay another 25 euros for a mounting bracket. Nearly 60euros to straps tube to the frame!!
  • 3 0
 I just strap a tube to the back of my seat rails with a voile (ski) strap. Works pretty well but we definitely need sub $20 options.
  • 5 0
 We got you @mikekazimer. Cool stuff in the works, hang tight.
  • 1 2
 Please @BurroBike don’t buy into this foolishness. You’re better than this.
  • 2 1
 I’ve been using a Wolftooth B-Rad roll-top bag for 12 months, it holds a tube, levers, patches and a Stomp Pump. I personally haven’t used any of them but have helped a few people struggling to fix punctures on the trails. It means I get away with only using a hip pack for most of my rides.
  • 1 0
 12 months on the BRad bag and I'm sold. No pack or hip packnforn6 months
  • 1 0
 edit - Also have a One Up EDC lite which is awesome.
  • 1 0
 Thank you! I've been looking for something that will bolt to the Live Valve port on my Mach 5.5. This looks like it will work perfectly for what I had in mind.
  • 2 1
 Could do that Canyon did the Spectral. They have a bolt on box for storing absolutely nothing as it’s too small to fit a lot in there. Think I managed to cram a stans dart, co2, tyre levers and some zip ties. Defo no room for a tube though No matter how slim and light weight it is. The concept was there but the design just doesn’t work in their case.
  • 1 0
 I got the Spectral right after the updated version was released (201Cool and all the marketing material noted that box. It took me a year and a half to finally find it in the Canyon store and bought it immediately. I was remarkably disappointed when I discovered it couldn't hold a tube in it.
  • 2 0
 I saw the word "affordable", but that's NOT what companies making anything for bikes are doing these days. Everyone is trying to make as much as possible in a short period of time.
  • 4 0
 Spends $180 for a super light headset.... Straps extra tube and other crap to frame... Welcome to 2021
  • 4 0
 WWW.WILDWOODCYCLES.CA/STORE FOR AN AFFORDABLE MADE IN CANADA TUBE CARRIER THANKS FOR LISTENIN ????????
  • 3 0
 I live in Victoria. How did I not know you existed. Your bikes look amazing.
  • 1 0
 Would be convenient if it came with the gear strap as well
  • 2 0
 Guess I’m not the greatest hype guy, cheers! @Victoriamike:
  • 2 0
 One Up Components to the rescue please!!! My Sentinel has these mounts and I already carry the one up pump with tool/plugs in, just want a neat small bolt on storage for Co2 that protects them from the elements!
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer here you go! A few great (not to mention affordable) components and accessories coming from this South African company

www.on-lynecomponents.com/collections/the-holy-rail/products/folding-bag-base-strap
  • 2 1
 Holy mother - I just realized that I cannot even go riding since I have no such holder to bolt onto my bike! And worse, my bike has no threads to attach...
Can‘t remember how we solved that problem between yesterday and 1985 when I started biking...
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 I question how many tools people need to carry when riding. I've got a tube and lever in my SWAT with a mini multi tool on the cage. All you need. If you need anything more I feel like you've got much bigger problems and likely need spare parts.
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 This thread has inspired me to cut down one of my old resin bottle cages to create the kind of device @mikekazimer is describing.
Or at least to check whether my frames have any surplus mounting points, and then to think about doing it if they have.
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 It will only take the bike fashionistas another few years to catch up with the amazing technology known as a seat bag. They'll be amazed at how their tube can be protected from sharp objects and mud. Not only that, seat bags are cheap, easily accessible, add zero wind drag, can quickly move between bikes and come in every imaginable size. Just like people eventually got over their anti "hip-pack" snobbery, the same will happen with seat bags. Why are we such slaves to random fashion idiocy?
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 Because dropper posts.
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 @mikekazimer: Just strap the seatpost loop to the rails on the saddle.
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 @mikekazimer: There are dropper compatible bags. Strapping or bolting things to the saddle rails provides an amazing number of options. Though admittedly the product space doesn't seem fully evolved yet. I think we'll see ongoing improvement just like we're seeing more products for mounting stuff all over the bike. Under the seat is just one of the options for mounting gear.
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 Even taking price out of the equation how is this better than a regular tube strap? Seems exactly the same except you can only put it in one place (where the bolts are). I suppose it keeps the frame from getting scratched but... mostly seems like a solution to a problem that didn't exist.
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 I don't get what you need a bracket bolted to your frame for - or is it incredibly bad to just use a rubber ski strap to attach things around your frame? Asking for a friend.....
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 I for one am OCD enough that scratching up my frame by doing something like that is a no-go. I don't mind scratches in the normal course of riding and crashing. But rubbing and dinging my frame while shuttling or in the workstand or by strapping stuff to it... I can't do it. So for me, yes. I like a bracket.
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 @BiNARYBiKE: but your bracket will be scratched. Will you be ok?
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 @BiNARYBiKE: I mean you could simply cover the area with clear tape and jusy like that, boom, frame not scratched !
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 @BiNARYBiKE: So scratching your bike is a thing, like a problem?

Wow, I must be totally messed up because my bike is mostly scratches, it gets that way from riding Wink
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 @nurseben: How dare you actually ride your bike. They're for strictly staring at, don't ya know? (and attaching things to, apparently)
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 Some people don't understand sarcasm. Razz
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 @Balgaroth: nah, rubs through the tape. But I do use 3M clear film in potential high-wear areas.
@nurseben I already explained that I'm fine with scratches and wear that comes from riding.

Go ahead and mock the guy who is OCD about his bike, but I bet you don't mind my kind when it's time to buy used!
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 Since top tubes are usually tapered, it can be tough to keep them snug. Tubes and other bits start to slide around or even interfer with shock extension for vertically oriented shocks. After using a strap to hold a spare tube for years, I was delighted to switch to the Wolf Tooth B-Rad on my Optic. Not cheap but flawlessly designed for my taste and I certainly don't miss the scuff marks.
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 @noapathy: it’s so funny to see all the gimmickry that serves no justifiable purpose, ie does not improve performance.

I got a hip bag, a shoulder bag, two water bottle cages, and a tube strapped to my frame.

It’s s bike, it ain’t art ... some people are do friggin wierd.

Do people even ride their bikes?

I’m on my bike three to four times a week, it’s a year old, there’s scratches aplenty, rock chips, I fix stuff as it breaks, but I don’t replace it till it’s not fixable.

Ride your damn bikes!
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 @nurseben: you don't replace stuff till it's not fixable? Bullshit Ben - I have watched you go through more forks in the past year then bender did when he was hucking huge lol
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 Pfffff you just won’t try my 3D printed pedals because you’re smart.
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 @brianpark, If that set of pedals fail, try printing them in a horizontal orientation. I don't have any experience with that chopped carbon fiber material, but I know typical plastic prints fail at the layer-to-layer interface.

This video does a good job explaining it and demonstrating it with 3D printed bolts.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiQek0wei1g&ab_channel=MyTechFun
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 Do you think you could be the pedal sponsor for the Mike Vs Mike enduro race?
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 @clipless03 thanks for that, the video is very cool. I'm going to experiment with a few things for the MTB version, but was struggling to get the axle void to print cleanly in horizontal orientation. The way I did it the layers still ran front-to-back so they're strong the most important direction, and the axle goes all the way through so I shouldn't have the issue of unsupported material peeling off the outside.

I will say that this NylonX material is wild. I've smashed the shit out of these pedals and have sent a few loading to flat on the commuter bike and they've shrugged it off. I'm cautiously optimistic.

@subwaypanda I'm sure there are laws against this put probably yeah.
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 @brianpark: you can use support material to solve the axle void issue.
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 Are you willing to share the info for your 3D printed bracket that @mikekazimer showed? I have access to a printer, but wouldn't know where to start the designs for one. Thanks.
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 @brianpark: You’d want to post-print machine the hole afterwards.
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 @brianpark Still waiting for my bracket!
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 I'll settle for an STL and print settings.
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 @TrailFeatures I'll upload the STL and setting somewhere once I get a design dialled in.

@jasonlucas I've got one of these for you. But Kaz had a good point about making the strap slot a lot smaller so it doesn't slide around, so I'm taking a stab at another version.
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 @brianpark: I should have read down 5 more lines. Yes Please.
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 specialized took em all to figure out how to sue every single one of them for competing against the SWAT
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 I think those mounts are for carrying water, I have a side loader Lezyne cage mounted on mine (GG Shred Dogg), you can stash a tube just about anywhere.
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flag mtb-thetown (Feb 18, 2021 at 13:28) (Below Threshold)
 I worry the top tubes aren't designed to have the stress of that much weight on them. GG frames are tough with their Rev Carbon, but on other bikes this could be an issue.
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 @mtb-thetown: Top tubes can't handle 2 pounds of water?
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 @mtb-thetown: if a bike's top tube isn't strong enough to handle the weight of a water bottle or tube/multi-tool, I certainly would not ride it! Is this really a thing?
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 I’m planning to get a shred dogg, how do you like it?
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 @dualcrownscottspark: the Shred Dogg is a great bike, super fun, really versatile. I have run mine as a 27.5, mullet, and 29 (current). I flog the shite outta of it and it just goes and goes. I have no concerns about durability, the Revved frames are burly!
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 @islandforlife: They can if they are designed for it, but that means you need to make it stronger, and therefore heavier, than you would if you didn't have to be able to carry a bouncing 2 pound weight.

If you drilled a hole in the top tube and added attachment points to most carbon fiber frames that weren't designed for it, they would probably tear out eventually. So it's gotta be reinforced compared to a bike without it.

I figured these were designed for carrying a tube and a tool, but given the response to what I said, seems like the companies probably have to assume that someone will put a water bottle on it, so presumably it's fine.
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 I was thinking about this thing from salsa, but you run it upside down. I think other companies make little packs to go on these top tube mounts on some gravel bikes.

salsacycles.com/components/category/bags_frame_packs/exp_series_direct_mount_top_tube_bag
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 I, like many, that don't lose the sleep because my bike doesn't carry those bolts, and would prefer the GENIALITY, of some of the solutions riders are using (maybe a hint for next post?).

Saying this, what really question me is:
Why not placing this weight (beteween what...200grm and 400grm - depending on what you carry) lower on the bike.
Yes it catchs mud, but a simple silicon cover, can keep muck of those parts
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 Feels like bike accessories often are difficult to market on their cheapness, so brands rather try to be premium, and when you're competing with a bit of tape i can see why this isn't common
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 I use a backpack so the tubes or whatever are not compromised and are rendered useless when you need them. A tube with a rip or hole is just an anchor.
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 Dakine sells one for 24 dollars. It doesnt have mounting holes, but does have a hard plastic top. Use a 1/4" drill bit and some washers for your bolts and presto...light weight bolt on strap.
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 Wildwood cycles makes a great one.
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 @brianpark We will remember. We will link this post when you get 1000 of those brackets injection molded for pennies and undercut wolftooth for $28.
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 $27.5 or bust.
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 23.99 doin it for dub.
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 I like your 3D printed idea. I’d like to see something to hold the tube from the saddle, and the bracket, like what you have, is a bar but it curves around the saddle rails and acts as the tire lever.
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 I really don't understand the MTB Fads. Buys the best most expensive carbon top of the line bike. Electrical tapes tools and tube to frame.?!
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 Can literally make something with $2.43 of flat stock steel, a drill, and a file.
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 SWAT! If i didnt have it Id wear a pack. Im not taping or strapping crap to my frame unless I bikepacking.
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 You work for Pink Bike? Can assume your awash with disposable income? The real question is what are you going to do with the money saved (conflict diamonds)?
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 Nice.
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 I haven't actually read the article yet but had to come straight here to say that the headline is a really really really good question
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 Hmmm I own a small laser cutter. I'm thinking something with stained hardwood and a leather strap. Would look cool and be functional. Who would buy one?
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 @mikekazimer Where did you find that pouch? I've been looking for something like that. Right now I'm just stuffing my stuff in an old inner-tube section.
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 It's the carrying case for a Topeak Alien multitool. I'm not sure if it's available separately.
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 @mikekazimer Challenge accepted! I believe my company of one person can do this at a $20 price point and make them in the USA in Colorado. Coming soon from HandleStash!
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 That looks like the Zine one that I linked to in the article.
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 lots of options out there with that bolt spacing...just look in the Tri products. (Most are designed for the top and front of the toptube)
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 You want cheap you got to go to AliExpress. This is the closest I can find but I'm sure there is something better out there.
www.aliexpress.com/item/32931462575.html
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 I’d rather people start making small, bolt-on zip bags rather than more straps. 76 Projects look like they’re on the right track.
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 For those of us without 3D printers, 1/2" -1" wide aluminum bar is like $5 at your local hardware store. A hacksaw, a drill and file/grinder and you're in business.
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 Damn I cant resist with that High Above mount.
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 could you attach a Bento Box to the bolts? There are some designed to sit on thetop tube attached with bolts, not sure if it's the same standard
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 If it's not a bottle cage, don't put it on my bike. Bike companies spend didn't spend all that time and effort to make frames sexy and sleek only for people to strap inner tunes, clif bars and god knows what else to them. Count me out.

Just my $0.02, don't care if you don't like it.
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 Wahahaha, too funny, guys got issues with how his bike looks, it’s an effing tool, it’s not art or a trophy wife Wink
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 @nurseben:
I mean bikes ARE designed to look good, that's why nobody rides linkage forks despite them technically being superior. If specialized and Trek can figure out how to cut a hole in the down tube why can't anyone else? #1 reason to buy a specialized IMO.
I buy a bike based at least partly on looks and you're lying if you tell me you don't too.
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 @nurseben:
Actually you ride a GG with a trust fork. Maybe you're the exception haha
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 IMO the $29 wolftooth one is fine. I have it. If you dropped $5000+ for a carbon FS bike you can spend an extra $20 or so to have nice integration for all the stuff it's necessary to carry.

My setup (pivot switchblade) is topeak bottle cage that has tire levers integrated, wolf tooth strap for extra tube, oneup EDC tool in steerer + C02, and a tire inflator stored in the little DI2 compartment near the BB.
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 Wolf Tooth, US made and $30. High Above, US made and $70. Not sure why I'd need kevlar and magnets for $40 more.
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 PNW pricing vs. Midwest.
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 Syncros iS accessory mount FTW
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 Saw the curve off a bottle cage and your done
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 Plenty of options on thingiverse for those with 3d printers:

www.thingiverse.com/thing:4597153
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 Ski straps are cheap and can be used for many things.
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 XLC MRS Kitrack, google it, it should work with bottle cage mount spacing, 11€
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 Not cheap, but lightweight stuff this tube cage holder.

www.zine-sports.com/shop/tube-cage
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 This is how you attach a tube to your bike:
www.instagram.com/p/CJ6Wb0Hhg0F/?igshid=pv55ndnzv4ey
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 May have been suggested already, but make a bunch of the 3D-printed ones and throw 'em up on the Pinkbike Shop!
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 If there would be more option, this is something that could easily be put on pretty much any bike.
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 @brianpark whip something up with your 3D printer and slap a PB logo on it.
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 What if there was a way to wrap the strap around the frame tube without any accessory mount?
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 Like... a slightly longer strap! Let's team up and shake up the industry. I have quite a few ideas, like a BOA option. DM me.
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 Why not put them on the top tube like a gravel bike? Easy place to have keys, phone, tube, etc on the bike!
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 is this really necessary - cant we just make a big hole in the downtube or something?
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 You could make one that also doubles as a spork.
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 Old surf leash. You're welcome
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 Just strap up and pipe down...
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 Electrician tape's really ok...
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 I think 3D printing will be the way to go. These should only be $10.
  • 1 0
 76 Projects makes some awesome options for organization
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 I have the WolfTooth B-Rad strap, on my Sight. Love it.
  • 1 1
 Redpoint velcro strap loops from REI. Two for $2.50
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 HiAbove one looks great.
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 Meanwhile my $6 voile strap keeps proving infallible
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 Tape works fine
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 Why bolt on when you can have this www.occamdesigns.com/store/apex
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