Orange Releases Short Travel Evo Versions of its Trail Bikes

Jun 26, 2020
by James Smurthwaite  

Orange have today announced Evo versions of their Five and Stage Five trail bikes. The Evo tag isn't new for the Halifax brand as we've seen it before on their Clockwork hardtail, where the Evo version was a lighter weight, longer travel and more aggressive version of the regular bike. This time, the Evo tag to equates to the bikes running shorter travel but with the revised geometry still included.


Both bikes have lost 15mm of rear travel and 10mm of front travel as compared to their non-Evo counterparts. That means the Stage Five Evo is now down to 130mm front/120mm rear from 140mm/135mm while the Five Evo is now at 140mm/130mm from 150mm/145mm. To go along with the shorter travel is a suspension curve that Orange claims is "radically revised" to suit the travel The new curve is the result of a combination of shock tune from the manufacturers and Orange subtly changing the contact points of the shocks to affect the leverage.


Other changes are less obvious to the eye including revised geometry with new tooling and jigs specifically built and developed by Orange for these new models. The geometry is apparently designed for a reduced offset fork that allows Orange to lengthen the cockpit but keep the rider's weight in the same spot.


The Evo models also get an offset asymmetrical pivot, which apparently gives scope for orange to play around with chainring sizes or, more intriguingly, chainlines. Could we see that traditional Orange formula shook up with a high pivot idler in future? Other finishing touches include new bottle boss mounts, cable routing and space for piggy back shocks based on customer feedback.

The specifics of each bike are below:

Orange Five Evo


bigquotesThe Five Evo is exceptional. It out-performs longer travel bikes in a manner you wouldn't believe. Right at the start, we said these bikes are about geometry, and the Five Evo demonstrates how the new Evo geometry works to perfection. This is the 140/130 27.5 wheeled version. Bang on the money for rocky, twisty singletrack trails where surefooted manoeuvrability is your main priority. Its reactive response and composure are inspiring.Orange Bikes

Available: 26 June
Price: £5,300 ($6,600)



Orange Stage Evo


bigquotesFor those who loves their wheels bigger, there's the 29 inch wheeled Stage Evo, it features equally radical geometry numbers, especially for a bike of its category. It majors on adaptability and as such shares the same Evo suspension progression to give our tuned shocks that wonderful bottomless feel. Which wheel size you opt for is a personal choice. If your local terrain brings you long climbs, big descents and teeth chattering root sections the 29er Stage Evo is your perfect rig.Orange Bikes

Available: 26 June
Price: £5,300 ($6,600)

More info, here.


153 Comments

  • 87 0
 How long before we get: “Is you bike too long? Too slack? Finding it harder than ever to do a tuck no-hander?”
Here’s the latest evolution of our geometry that gives a 66 deg head angle and 400 reach, for a playful more enjoyable ride. A longer stem help this stay comfortable. We’ve dialled the travel back to 100mm so you feel connected to the trail. Tyres and rims are narrower for more precision in line choice and faster acceleration. And for the ultimate nimble trail bike we’re using a new 660mm wheel standard (approx 26”).
  • 3 2
 Yesssss!!!
  • 10 3
 No kidding. The large 5 Evo reach is 20mm longer than the reach on my large Revel Rascal, which IMO is still too long for me. And I'm 6' tall using a 40mm stem. I'm gonna be horizontal on my next bike the way things are going.
  • 3 3
 Bikes so long now you see riders push their bike or even only standing up when going uphill.
  • 6 0
 @rhamej: A pronecumbent.
  • 2 0
 You forgot the 640mm bars for all the reasons.
  • 3 0
 Won't happen until almost 26" bikes are dead so we have to buy new stuff. Give it 7-8 years.
  • 2 0
 Just bought a 27.5 Santa Cruz Bronson. I'm 6'0 with a long upper body but ape of 0. The bike has 455mm reach in the low position and feels perfect. It actually forces you to ride properly. Funny enough I forced myself to run it in the high position for the first few rides as that's what SC recommends and despite 5mm longer reach the higher bb somehow makes the bike feel too small. Geometry matters.
  • 1 0
 Your complaints are witty, but have you ridden anything with a truly steep STA? I haven't.
  • 1 0
 @friendlyfoe: been on a Bronson.3 for a year. I'm 183cm with a short torso but 34/35 dress shirt. 429mm reach in low position, slammed 50mm stem and 50mm riser bar, flats. No extra work to weight front wheel, but enough trail for it to still steer slowly for a trail bike, even with a wide bar. Less pedal strikes in low position due to shock end-stroke ramp up and 165mm crank....feels great. No idea what riding properly is. Body proportions and position over pedals matter.
  • 2 2
 @rickybobby18: Well will be lucky if the planet is still usable in 7-8 years if current governments have there way?
Look up Agenda 2030 report !!!!!!!!!!

May seem far fetched but if 75% of population is removed it adds up!
  • 1 0
 @aljoburr: I couldn't find the section on how 3/4 will be removed.
  • 1 0
 @aljoburr: which section are you talking about?
  • 1 0
 @ceecee: Did you think that you would have done?
But that is the only way that world hunger & world poverty can be eliminated by 2030
Simple?
  • 1 0
 @rhamej: How do you like your Rascal? No mount for bash guards but otherwise the rave reviews got me intrigued...
  • 3 0
 @5chmaus: I love it. As all the reviews say, it does pedal really well. And it's very playful. Perfect bike for Texas terrain IMO.
  • 1 0
 @rhamej: Yes but most of Texas is flat right?
  • 1 0
 @aljoburr: careful, your account will be suspended for advocating mass murder. Are you volunteering?
  • 1 0
 @ceecee: No advocating here, but by opening peoples eyes hope to save lifes
I really do not condone mass Genocide!
  • 1 0
 @aljoburr: Not all Smile
  • 21 1
 I don't know why Orange bikes get all of the hate. I would kill to own one if I didn't live in the states.

My all time favorite bike (old SC heckler) was a single pivot, was a joy to ride, and bearings lasted YEARS (and there were 2 of em when it came time for a service). My dad still rides it regularly.

The suspension design never held me back despite what all of the arm-chair engineers here say.

They are ugly-cute, they are low maintenance, and they look bomb-proof.
  • 2 0
 You can buy them in the states. Email them at Ed@orangebikesus.com
  • 1 2
 They’re sold in the US via Aventuron as well.
  • 3 7
flag benmoosmann (Jun 26, 2020 at 6:59) (Below Threshold)
 Dunno about that stability thing though. Lateral rear-wheel stability seems a bit concerning with such a long swingarm and only a single effective contact point. The rear trinangle itself is probably bomb proof, but man that rear wheel sure does have a lot of leverage (laterally) on the main pivot... Side load on the rear shock might be problematic too.
  • 1 4
 @benmoosmann: So you are saying @y0bailey 's experience is a lie?
  • 2 0
 Low maintenance yes! Sound like a bag of spanners yes Bomb proof no
  • 1 1
 Fucking hideous garbage. Buy a foes
  • 1 0
 Were* sold by aventuron I guess. Oh well
  • 2 0
 @englertracing: Bet you are fun at parties
  • 2 0
 Yep, still got my 2000 model Heckler. It has been completely rebuilt 3 times and worn out numerous components and is still going strong.
  • 24 4
 Those are some insane prices. Do they come with carbon wheels or something?
  • 55 8
 Hand built in the UK, paying UK wages rather than Far Eastern wages probably goes some way to the prices.
  • 2 0
 thought the same...
  • 19 2
 Hand built in the uk with what looks like hope brakes and cranks. Possibly other Hope goodies too. Seems fair pricing if you put it against other brands....
  • 28 2
 @Dav82: we're basically looking at Hope HB 130 pricing here for a similair build. So the Oranges seem properly overpriced.
  • 5 1
 It’s a real pity they’re not more competitive - the last time I looked at prices I was genuinely blown away.
  • 17 4
 @Paluzas: Yeah but the Orange has cutting edge, 20th century, technology!! ;-)
  • 19 8
 They are way overpriced, by at least a grand - UK manufacturing or not
  • 7 3
 @Paluzas: apart from the Hb130 is £1000 more....
  • 6 2
 @Dav82: with a fox factory build, nicer finishing kit, better wheels and a more expensive drivetrain. Spec to the oranges up to the same standard and they'll probably end up costing more than the Hope. Also there's the small matter of the HB130 being an innovative carbon frame that's also made in the UK etc.
  • 4 1
 @Dav82: and personally, I don't even think that the HB130 is particularly good value, it's just an easy comparison with this given the spec/manufacturing location arguments.

There are SO many exceptional UK bike companies that offer much better value for much more exciting bikes. And if we're still using UK made as a selling point, I could go up the road from where I live and get a completely blinged out, UK hand made Stanton Switch9er FS for £4,500.
  • 6 2
 @Paluzas: xt vs x01, fox factory vs Rockshox ultimate. Burgtec cockpit vs Hope, same brakes, same hubs. You can argue the whole carbon vs alloy all day long. Point is, a touch over 5 grand, which personally I find a lot for a bike anyways, for a handmade bike with the spec that’s on it is a fair price. Especially when you start comparing it to larger brands.
  • 2 2
 @Dav82: you ever look up the price difference that X01, Fox Factory and a carbon cockpit introduces? I'm not arguing performance, I'm arguing cost and they are substantially more expensive than what's on offer on the orange.
  • 1 1
 @Paluzas: can’t say I have but I’m guessing after you’ve swapped the Rockshox for fox and Shimano for sram, around £1000 difference maybe?? I’ll agree with your point on the Stanton though...
  • 5 5
 @lewiscraik: So they're built in a developing country instead of a developed country?
  • 9 6
 @Dav82: There’s a lot of work that goes into making a Orange frame. Lots of complicated little welds on very thin tubing made by skilled English people on English wages. If I had to guess I’d say it was much more labour intensive than paying a Chinese person next to nothing to put strips of cheap carbon in the oven.
  • 3 1
 @thenotoriousmic: yeh I know, that was kind of my original point.....
  • 5 2
 Because the prices are in pounds... Dick Pounds.
  • 2 2
 @Dav82: I know dude, I was agreeing with you.
  • 1 1
 @thenotoriousmic: well at least someone does!lol!
  • 3 0
 @Paluzas:

That’s just not correct, the Hope HB 130 is $1,800 more( website lists $8,400 ). Almost 30% more expensive. This bike is not cheap, but in my opinion, it’s good value. All the moving parts are hope, plus hope brakes and an Xt drivetrain.
  • 1 0
 @lewiscraik: Even so, I sure hope they have a solid, lifetime warranty on their frames.
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic: I understand your comment. But companies need to fill their product with Value, to justify the high prices.

For example, I would spend money on a Nicolai, because I can see/feel value on their frames. I can't say the same for Orange. And I don't mean suspension design only.

Because singlepivot works, and personally I like the feel. I'd rather spend money on other UE/Rus/USA/Whatever
  • 1 0
 @TDMAN: Im not saying you should just that they take a flat sheet of super thin aluminium and turn it into a functioning full suspension mountain bike in the UK. Not going to be cheap. I wouldn’t have bought one but the last orange 4 was so much fun though.
  • 2 1
 @sewer-rat: Its proper Dick Turpin territory!! In the current climate with budget sensitivity, its jaw dropping they put out prices like that for a pig ugly alu bike!!! soz, just sayin.
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: ok! But there in more than one way to skin a cat.
If it's possible to attain same function with less work/time, and why not do it? I don't think bend/weld sheet of metal is giving Value to the customer/or have a competitive edge.

Foes, intense and others did it back in the day.

PS- I've always been in love with Orange bikes, were I saw the Clockworks, and all the painting scheeme back in early 90s. For the time been, I won't be a Orange Customer. Too many affordable options out there, and other hobbies/stuff to burn my money on. Cheers
  • 8 0
 Shrinkflation, like Mars bars. Evo is a misleading name. I would have gone for ST or Minus, which is why I'm not in marketing.
  • 3 0
 Evo probably stands for evolution, which could go either way. The Four had 5" travel, Five typically had nearly 6" of travel and the Alpine 6 is approaching 7" of travel. Now the Four seems to have dropped from their website and the Five went to about 5" of travel, so that's evolution. Ask Darwin, ask Pearl Jam. I think Specialized typically gives their "Evo" models more travel but it doesn't necessarily have to go for all other brands too. I received my new "Catalyst Evo" pedals yesterday. Just as big as the old ones, fewer pins too. So yeah, I think "Evo" simply stands for "different from the regular model we still offer as well".
  • 4 0
 @vinay: "Evo probably stands for evolution" well you learning something new every day....

What happened to the five for e.g. (back to how it was) is the definition of regression, which is why Evo is misleading. Can we go with Orange Five S!ITOBA (Suckers!: It's The Old Bike Again)?

Pearl Jam? No.
  • 2 0
 @BenPea: Wasn't it on the Yield album? Have to look it up. Though pretty sure the tune doesn't discuss bicycle suspension travel, fair enough.

Your suggestion may be a good one too. They already use the "Strange" name for their prototypes/experimentals so I can imagine they'd appreciate your suggestion too. As for names and travel, maybe they used to go along with how Marzocchi was naming forks. 888: triple clamp, 8" travel; 66: dual clamp, 6" travel, 55: etc.... Except for the 888, everything else went up an inch eventually. Now as Marzocchi has dropped these names anyway, Orange just went back to what it was.

All this said, of course I get what you're on about but I honestly don't care much. I realize the world is full of lunatics but I'm pretty sure no one will pull the creditcard and buy one of these before properly checking the specs. Personally, I actually appreciate this evo model. I realize there are people who don't like slack geometry with little travel because it makes them assume they're on a bike with more travel and they are in for a nasty surprise. But personally, I'm cool with it. I don't ride DH bikes. I don't need loads of travel from the bike but I do appreciate the long/slack geometry. Back when I first saw a On One 456 Summer Season (what later turned into the 456 Evo) I recall thinking "cool but I want that 6" fork geometry when I have just a 4" travel fork installed". Hence that's why I'm riding what I have now Wink . So yeah, this is kind of a full suspension variation on that. Not too much travel but geometry comparable with what I have now. Not sure whether it is ever going to beat it against a Cotic Flare (regular) for me though. Especially considering the price difference and me having a soft spot (without much reason) for steel frames. Heck, I can imagine Orange may be having a hard time selling bikes for this kind of money when you can have another British made steel frame for less. Isn't a Curtis XR650 even cheaper than an Alpine 6? Makes you wonder who would prefer that Alpine over such a cool Curtis.
  • 1 0
 @vinay:
Very close between the Orange, the Cotic and the Curtis. An Alpine 6 frame in a choice of colour, with an X2 shock and a seat clamp is £2,315.
The XR650 in 'standard' custom paint with an X2 shock and an inetgrated seat clamp is £2,380.
A Cotic Rocket with an CCDB Air shock and a seat clamp is £2,199.

Realistically at that level I doubt the sub 10% spread on prices is the determining factor between the 3.

The base level aluminium YT Capra with a similar/competitive frame is £1,999 for the full build. If value is a concern you'd find that hard to turn down.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: I've always had an aversion to PJ, so you're not helping your case.

"I realize the world is full of lunatics" uhuh, they're now running it.

Curtis is too single pivoty too and Cotic needs chainstay pivot rather than seatstay.
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: PJ just popped up in my head with the word "evo" because of that tune, but you don't have to listen to it if you don't have to. It is not essential for this topic (or shouldn't be).

As for the prices being similar, I wasn't aware. I had in my head that Cotic and Curtis were cheaper than Orange, but apparently not.

As for the pivots and where they go, I indeed don't care too much as long as the bike rides as it should and maintenance doesn't go out of hand. Being a hardtail rider most of the time, single pivot seemed like something I could handle Wink . But in the tech I still find my Cannondale Prophet quite a handful so wasn't sure whether more pivots are going to make it any better for me. I like the Cotic as sagged geometry appears to be similar to what my hardtail would be like sagged so it seems like something I would be happy about. But yeah, I think I do like to rely on some kind of service once the time comes. I feel like with Orange, Cotic and Curtis they'd help me source the bearings I'd need should I need them whereas I wouldn't be surprised if YT would just let me suck it with my five year old frame. Single pivot SC bikes seemed cool too back in the days. Didn't these just use bottom bracket bearings for the main pivot? I'd wrench that. Bummer they ditched that, even though the Bantam seemed fairly new. The new Heckler isn't quite the same thing.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: Yield is by far my favourite Pearl Jam album

Brain Of J
Wishlist
In Hiding
Is it Do The Evolution on that album?

And Given To Fly is one of the best songs they've written. Hugely underrated. Paddling out into some chunky surf signing to yourself "Wave came crashing like a fist to the jaw..."
  • 1 0
 @DidNotSendIt: Yeah, it's been a while since I played it as I have it on vinyl but I currently don't have my turntable connected. What I did like was that, especially at the time, they gave their vinyl the same attention to detail as their cds got. Ever since their Vitalogy album, their booklets were something special and the trick they had with the Yield cd (where the traffic sign was both along the road as well as in the water) they did it differently with the record (where they had a triangular hole in the outer sleeve to show the traffic sign printed on the inner sleeve where it was standing in the water).

Personally I do like Pearl Jam though I respect it if people don't. All fine with me. I listen to death metal, ska, jazz, classical... I may only find myself intolerant to popular r&b/rap music, waiting list stuff. My all time favorite band is Death. It is death metal and I think loads more people would have loved this band once they've stepped past their initial preconceptions and maybe the intensity that might overwhelm them. Their Symbolic album is probably the most accessible so for whoever might be interested, that's probably the best place to start. There is a lot of room, little details and different rhythms and melodies intertwined for whoever cares to give it a good listen.

Of course Pearl Jam is very different and just has its own qualities. Good to have choices.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: I used to listen to a lot of metal. But to be honest, when i started surfing years ago i found it very difficult to be 'in the mood' for metal after that. Without wanting to make assumptions about the demenour of metal-fans, i just felt too positive to listen to it. If i do venture back into it (as i have been lately), melodies, harmonies and clean (or clean-ish) vocals are a must.

The one exception being Mastodon though. Almost all other music has become irrelevant to me (Crack The Skye onwards, the previous albums were slightly too brutal for my delicate ears). I do like listen back to In Flames every now and then too.

The bassist (i think) for Gojira is an MTB fan i believe. I recall seeing a video of him hitting the trails in the Alps.
  • 1 0
 @DidNotSendIt: I've got tickets for in flames, but it was delayed of the virus.. Hopefully back on soon Smile
  • 1 0
 @nordland071285: Hope you get to see them. Been a long time since i saw them last (when they released A Sense Of Purpose i think). They're newer albums haven't really grabbed me. The music still seems well written but the production of it seems to lack any bite or impact. I did listen to Come Clarity the other day though. Which for me is the perfect distillation of the best bits of all their previous albums.

If the gigs are rescheduled and they play anywhere near me i may see if i can get a ticket.
  • 1 0
 @DidNotSendIt: Yeah, I get what you're saying though to be honest I never viewed (death) metal as particularly negative. Just like Pearl Jam, they do highlight issues like social injustice, animal cruelty, environmental issues etc. Think Terrorizer, Napalm Death, Carcass etc. And to me it actually felt more comforting to hear of others being upset about the same thing instead of listening to rockers and rappers who live in a bubble of drugs, glitter and slow motion.

That said, I don't just listen to music to look for a reflection of my worries. I see more than enough positivity as well. I think the aforementioned Symbolic album from Death has got quite a few positive themes.

You'd say this one should hit home for us mountainbikes as well:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba2DyMTl6XM
(Mayan - The Rhythm of Freedom)
  • 6 0
 I’m not sure what was wrong with the Four name? It was (still is) a good bike.

Going by how Orange has used the Evo tag on the Clockwork, this bike should really be a “Four Evo”, a Four with slightly longer travel. It doesn’t even have the Five’s signature monocoque rear end, it has the split rear end from the Four/Alpine Six...

Irrespective of the name it looks like an awesome bike though, definitely the spiritual successor to my Four.
  • 2 1
 I haven't checked myself, is it right this is just a repackaged Four/Stage Four? I appreciate the travel's been bumped but the same happened to the Five and Alpine and they still have their names, is this thing a truly new bike geo-wise or what?

I'm with you, always fancied a Four but never had the money, was sad to see them discontinue it.
  • 1 0
 @MrMediocre: the geometry has changed too. I couldn’t afford a Four either, but got a bloody good end of season deal on one.
  • 15 6
 less bad suspension makes it a better ride?
  • 3 0
 Hey don't forget its got new bottle mount bolts too?
  • 7 0
 It's the same marketing argument all the brands use. In Orange's case, it gets more evident, given they have just three points to variate from year to year: the main pivot, and the two shock bolts. So they keep going a couple of millimeters up this year, then a couple down next year, and repeat the same tired mantra of "with revised geometry and pivot location" time after time...
  • 2 2
 @southoftheborder: there’s a lot more to it than that. If you change one thing it changes everything else. If you just look at one thing say the main pivot then it might look like they’re just moving it back and forth but it makes sense when you look at the whole picture.
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic: they have spent over 20 years trying to overcome the limitations of the single pivot, and unless they find a way to bend Newtonian physics, there's so much they could do...

Their marketing speech gets tiring when they start justifying each year's changes with respect to the previous year's ones. It might make sense in the short term, but when you look at their whole history, they're just going circles once and again. The only time they did something meaningful to overcome the inherent limitations of the platform was with the S.T.R.A.N.G.E. model, and some of their followers considered it heresy, so they got back to the same old designs.
  • 1 0
 @southoftheborder: There’s not much you can’t do with a single pivot. Pretty much every bike is just a jazzed up single pivot with a fancy name so people like you and me will buy it. Where you mount your shock and place the pivot effects of the suspension works massively. They’re not just changing it every year to be weird.
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic: I get how a single pivot works, and I get they don't charge for the sake of it. And I also admitted the marketing goes the same for many other companies and suspension systems out there, see my first post.

My point is how they keep going back and forth with what desirable characteristics their interpretation of the single pivot has from year to year, and how a non-linkage driven single pivot is fundamentally limited in terms what you can achieve. Over those more than 20 years I've seen them justifying a significant raise of pedal kickback to have enough pedaling efficiency, only to jump back to a lower pedaling efficiency next year because well... it caused too much pedal kickback...
  • 2 0
 @southoftheborder: trends come and go and come back again. Pivot location moves accordingly.
  • 8 4
 So pleased to see price coming up so often. Orange have been so overpriced for the last few years. Commencal - similar European brand - smash them out of the water price wise. I know they are made in England, but I’m not sure what this adds in terms of quality for the end user?
  • 19 1
 It's all about that warm fuzzy feeling of not supporting industry in a country run by a highly questionable regime. Oh...
  • 3 2
 For a frame-only cost, made in England with skilled labour, I'm happy with the prices. What they charge for assembling a full build in the UK is a lot, compared to Cotic and Bird.
  • 3 1
 @BenPea: Word to the mummy fudger tup
  • 3 0
 But they aren’t similar. Commencal utilises a direct sales business plan whereas Orange still sells through retailers.

So of course Commencal can undercut Orange and a lot of other companies because they don’t need to factor in the retailers cut.
  • 3 0
 @AyJayDoubleyou: Cotic is party manufactured in the uk (front end I believe) and bird get everything made in Asia so not really comparable and that’s before you talk about them also being direct sales
  • 12 5
 kicking your pedals back to 1999
  • 6 0
 What happened to the Four? Is it now just called Five Evo?
  • 1 0
 Sounds like it!
  • 5 2
 Theres a place for a 64deg. HTA and its not on a short travel bike. The small wheelbase is almost the length of my XL Process 153 with a 170mm Fork.....whyyyyyyyyyy?.......stahhhhhpppppp!
  • 6 2
 Honestly when you try a bike with those numbers it kinda makes sense, I was really dubious about moving to a 490 reach and long wheelbase (1260) but with the steep seat tube angle it doesn’t feel overly long at all. Try it buddy
  • 2 0
 @sewer-rat: i should try it, youre right. But, of all the bikes ive ridden Im just confused why do you need that slack of a bike with short travel though? Its one degree off of just about every DH bike. To me it seems like if your riding requires that slack of a head tube youre going to need more suspension. Climbing with that sounds terrible as well.
  • 2 0
 @devinyourface: I too thought like that! Then I ride one and was converted, the long reach and slacker head angle keeps you extremely central on drops and steeps, you never feel like an otb is going to happen , even on jumps! The central position on the bike also due to the steep seat angle makes it efficient at climbing and prevents the front end from wondering / lifting. My Cotic just feels better, really, really planted but poppy at the same time, for me it’s a winning formula
  • 4 1
 @devinyourface you are conflating two mostly unrelated things.

Slack and long is for fast and steep.


Long travel is for rough.
  • 1 0
 Small is like a small-medium if it existed in other brands. And that chain stay is huge for a small 27.5 bike.
  • 2 0
 I got a mulleted four with 120mm both ends and love it, however I’d be happy to replace it with the 5 evo if i win the lottery. Mulleted of course. One of the great joys of mountainbiking is whupping the arses of over biked people with masses of travel and over engineered rear suspension. Sure enough they no doubt work a bit better but developing one’s trail skills works even better for us who’d rather be out riding than tinkering with stiff or wobbly linkages.
  • 5 1
 I love that, but I'll never be able to afford it. I'll save up for a 2008 five or something
  • 4 0
 Cool Something new from Orange
  • 5 1
 I love orange bikes, such a great colour.
  • 2 1
 Yes... ``The Earth was as blue as an orange``. Paul Eluard.
  • 5 1
 They've done a cracking good job!
  • 2 0
 Is a pity that quite a lot of these frames do crack, but you do have to push it quite hard to get that problem?
  • 4 4
 Orange need to get the big boy pants on and actually make a different design. An idler pulley perhaps or multi linkage. They could still produce the single pivot model to keep the die hard orange fan boys in check but surely they must be losing so much custom over everyone else? I wonder how much the Dudes of Hazzard have actually done to gauge young interest into buying an orange? I like the look of an orange but once it came to it, would i ever part that kind of cash for a single pivot alloy frame over any other bike.
  • 4 1
 I own a 2018 Orange 5 and one thing i will say is that its a very capable bike ,it pedals well on the up hills and punches way above its weight on the downhills so do not let the single pivot design put you off , Where it does fall short is the crappy noisy cable routing that is a nightmare to work through the frame ,also my swing arm shock mounts are not welded in line with the front mounts so the shock has to be spaced out so there is no side loading . The paint seems to flake off easily and most second hand fives in the buy and sell ads all seem to have had warranty replaced swing arms ??? but like i said the bike is very capable and i believe Orange have sorted these issues out on the latest generation of bikes
  • 3 0
 If it isnt broke dont fix it.
  • 1 0
 I like the design and of all the full suss bikes I tested before buying one the scour felt the best to ride (to me).

I think Orange should stick with what they are good at, it would be boring if every manufacturer just made the same style of bike with same suspension platform.
  • 4 1
 Seat tube length in inches reach in millimetres come on bike industry
  • 3 0
 Seems like a helluva low BB height.
  • 12 10
 No flip-chip No water bottle mount No tool storage Just ugly welds and look of a walmart bike.
  • 3 1
 Size down on a Five Evo and go 5010 Jibbin, not dissimilar in concept to SC Tallboy and 5010.
  • 5 2
 Damn that’s expensive for all aluminum bike
  • 5 0
 It really is, but thats the kind of price you pay for domestically manufactured, hand welded frames. Nicolai pricing for example isn't far off.
  • 3 4
 @benmoosmann: Thats the price you pay for an overpriced frame that hasn't changed in 20 years.
  • 3 0
 I'd have that Five Evo in a heartbeat; looks like great little set up.
  • 3 4
 Is orange still around? Its hard to imagine why anyone would buy one these days. A glorious past for sure but not attractive IMHO. You could argue that Kona has the same approach, for example, but they have been able to release interesting bikes every year
  • 2 0
 I wonder how much foxglove plants it takes to make a single Digitalis pill?
  • 2 0
 I've replied to this comment before but current Digoxin is synthetically made.
  • 1 0
 I'd like to answer but I don't have the heart...
  • 1 0
 You could try & see the results, but would not recommend eating Foxgloves?
  • 2 0
 Long low and slack. Welcome to the party Orange, I see you’ve brought a keg
  • 3 2
 I do love me a nice aluminium bike, but no thanks. If a bike costs 6600$, this is not what I have in mind.
  • 2 0
 A BB height of 320? My pedals are quivering at the thought.
  • 1 0
 Think that is the whole reason too want to limit the travel !!!!!!!!!
  • 2 1
 It seems that the shock tune is critical for a single pivot. This means the choice of aftermarket shocks are very limited?
  • 1 0
 Wow, thought that looks like a rad bike and them check the price $14k... guess I can't afford to mountainbike any more
  • 1 0
 These always appealed to me. However, they are not the only bikes that I like, and others are far more affordable..
  • 2 1
 How much for a simple aluminium frame
  • 2 1
 The Emperor's not wearing any clothes!

Wink
  • 1 1
 Or the Emperor has nothing to drink as he had to leave his water bottle in his SUV?
  • 4 4
 Completely lost the fives signature filing cabinet rear end and replaced it with the noodle of the four, not impressed
  • 4 4
 Value for money as always ................................................................. Wink
  • 4 4
 With the risk to get most unlikes ever... for £5,300 per bike, you should get at least get decent looking welding :\
  • 1 1
 Yep my 5 has some fugly looking welds too
  • 2 0
 Well is not that easy to weld 2mm think aluminium, have tried & got quite good at filling hole?
  • 2 0
 @aljoburr: As a fabricator by trade a 2mm thick Aluminium weld is not that hard to achieve . The 5 frame has some fantastic formed tubes and shapes and are far from a simple bike , but the welds on the underside of my top tube are just simply ugly although not all pretty welds are strong welds . If you can fill a blown hole you are well on your way to being quite competent with a torch
  • 1 0
 Orange, trying to give us the swif...
  • 2 0
 still want an Orange
  • 3 0
 Get one. You wont be disappointed!
  • 3 3
 Enough about the price and geometry, can we move things on to the inevitable (swing arm) cracking!
  • 1 0
 Heh, filing cabinet.
  • 1 0
 Stop riding it so hard or move too a design that can handle flex with out causing cracks?
Where about do the new ones usually crack ?
Have not tried newer frames, but have see some front ends go at main pivot
  • 1 1
 I had a 2010 Alpine crack on the "bridge" of the swing arm, in between the mounting points. After maybe three years. And a 2017 Alpine crack on both sides of both internal routing holes on the swing arm. I suspect they were there from the factory... I'm not an Orange hater, but I wasn't at all impressed. The 2010 did at least ride well, but the 2017 was a dog after they moved the pivot point higher. Too harsh with weight on the pedals. Just my own experience/opinion of course!
  • 1 0
 #ORANGE FIVES MATTER #OFM
  • 2 1
 Snapped my last two oranges. Won’t be buying another.
  • 1 1
 Are those frame and shock only prices?
  • 1 0
 No, the is an LE (Launch Edition?) build with Pikes/12spd XT and Hope brakes.
  • 2 1
 I love orange
  • 1 1
 Still not found a way to fit a bottle cage inside the front triangle?
  • 2 3
 Meh.

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