OWN FR-01 Flat Pedal Shoe – Review

May 11, 2017
by Mike Kazimer  
OWN FR 01 review

Only What's Necessary (OWN) was founded by Dan Hutchinson and Warren Bosomworth, two shoe designers who decided that there was a need for a high-end shoe created specifically for flat pedals. The FR-01 is the result of that collaboration, a high-top, Vibram-soled model that looks, and fits, differently than any other mountain bike shoe currently in existence.

The FR-01 has what OWN call a 'modular liner system', which means the shoes come with two different liners that can be swapped out depending on the day's conditions. There's a water-resistant, lightly insulated liner for cool and wet days, and a more ventilated, uninsulated option for warmer conditions. Both liners have a 4mm thick section of D30 foam on the bottom that's intended to provide protection from hard impacts and trail vibrations.

FR-01 Shoe Details
• Kevlar reinforced upper
• Dual compound Vibram sole
• Modular liner system, includes breathable Air Mesh liner and fleece lined soft shell liner
• D3O foam panel on the bottom of each liner
• Designed to be quick-drying and easy to clean
• Sizes: 260, 270, 280, 290, 300mm
• Price: €220, free worldwide shipping
www.onlywhatsnecessary.com

The exterior of the shoe is constructed from a Kevlar-reinforced fabric that's then thermo bonded to the Vibram sole, a method that's similar to the construction technique used for high-end outerwear. Two different durometers of rubber are used on the FR-01's sole, with the grippier portion underfoot to grab onto the pedals and a harder rubber with a taller tread pattern at the front and rear of the shoe for improved hiking traction.

The company's name may be Only What's Necessary, but it turns out that constructing a shoe from all those top tier materials does come at a price, and the FR01 will set you back €220 ( approximately $240 USD), although that price does include free worldwide shipping. In addition to the white colored heel shown, there are also red and black options that aren't quite as flashy. There are five sizes available: 260, 270, 280, 290, and 300. For best results, you'll need to measure your foot from heel to toe and then consult OWN's sizing chart in order to determine the optimum size.


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Two liners are included with the FR-01 for different weather conditions. The orange portion on the bottom of the liner is D30, the viscoelastic material that hardens on impact.
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There's a perforated liner for warmer days, and a lightly insulated softshell liner for the rest.


Performance

The first challenge the FR-01 presented was actually getting them on. The tall liner and relatively narrow ankle opening make it tricky to slide into them, but if you've ever pulled on a wakeboard binding or a snowboard boot you know the drill. Thankfully, the liner does have a pull tab at the front and the back — without these I might have needed to go steal a shoe horn from a wizened old relative.

Once they're on, though, the fit of the FR-01 shoes is excellent, especially compared to some of the boxier, skate-style shoes out there. They hug every contour of your feet, with a snug fit that feels more like a neoprene booty rather than a bike shoe. That close fit makes it easier to tell exactly where your feet are in relation to the pedals, especially compared to a thicker-soled shoe like Five Ten's Sam Hill 3.

When it comes to grip, the FR-01's don't quite match the flypaper-like stickiness of Five Ten's Stealth rubber, but the Vibram soles were grippy enough for all but the roughest trails, as long as they were paired with pedals with a more concave design and taller pins — I had good results with Race Face's Atlas and Specialized's Boomslang pedals. Off the bike, I did find myself wishing for a more aggressive tread pattern a few times, typically in frozen or muddy conditions where the smooth part of the sole struggled to find purchase.

At first, I was worried that I'd feel every pin when I stepped down onto the pedals, but there's actually plenty of material to prevent that from happening — it was the fit rather than the construction that put that idea into my head. I don't have any complaints about the overall stiffness either — there's enough support to keep them from curling over the pedals too much, and I didn't have any discomfort even on 3+ hour rides.


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The high cuff helps protect those vulnerable ankle bones and keeps trail debris from making its way in.
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Two different Vibram compounds are used on the sole, with the softer, stickier compound used for the portion that contacts the pedals.

One of the downsides to that snug fit is that there's not really enough room for a pair of thicker socks, especially with the water resistant liner installed, since that liner already takes up a little extra room. For that reason, I wouldn't recommend these for full-on winter riding in below zero temperatures — a roomier shoe with thicker insulation would be a better choice.

On the topic of foul weather, I had plenty of opportunities to drench the FR-01's due to an extra-wet winter. They'll keep a moderate rain at bay, but when the heavens really open up and the puddles get deep the FR-01's can't really keep up. Water will make its way past the non-gusseted tongue, and once water gets over the cuff there's not really anywhere for it to go, which means you'll have soggy feet until you pry the shoes off at the end of the ride. However, pulling the liner out after a ride does help them dry quickly, and they're very easy to rinse off with a hose, both pluses for riders who live in wetter climates.

Regarding the overall durability, after months of use, the FR-01 shoes are still going strong, without any indications that that will change anytime soon. The fabric is free of any rips or scuffs, and the sole is still firmly attached along the entire perimeter of the shoe.



Pinkbike's Take

bigquotesI'm a little conflicted when it comes to issuing a definitive verdict on the FR-01 shoe. I'm a big fan of the fit, durability, and quick-drying properties, but the actual performance out on the trail isn't vastly superior to other options that cost a good deal less, which makes them a tougher sell (plus they're also slightly annoying to get on and off). That being said, it's nice to have another choice on the market — competition spurs innovation, and there's certainly room to improve nearly every flat pedal shoe out there.  Mike Kazimer








199 Comments

  • + 398
 When you got a DH race at 10 but have a basketball game at 11
  • + 92
 Big Biker Brand
  • + 9
 i'm actually doing both. these are perfect for me
  • + 59
 is there a Yeezy edition?
  • - 2
 Even basketball players wouldn't wear a shoe that ugly.
  • + 17
 Or add a bar under the toe and you've got a XC ski boot come November. Or if they come out with a pink heel you can play tennis with Andre Agassi circa 1990! #Versatility!
  • - 40
flag scary1 (May 11, 2017 at 9:16) (Below Threshold)
 I dont want to hear about how gay 29" wheels are,ANYMORE.
  • + 30
 Maybe they can sponsor Jordie Lunn so they can call these the Air Jordie. Sorry.
  • + 2
 @nozes: What about the Bike Air Jordie?
  • + 5
 @yazzie Or when you have to ride your bike to the tournament. Rez style, LOL.
  • + 1
 Didn't expect anything less from you lmao.
  • - 51
flag scary1 (May 11, 2017 at 12:03) (Below Threshold)
 Seriously you people are such sensitive little pansies. If you downvote this, that means YOU.
  • + 44
 @scary1: Down voted only because you seemed so butt hurt about being down voted.
  • + 1
 Ewings@digitalsoul:
  • + 2
 #KOBE
  • - 13
flag scary1 (May 11, 2017 at 21:19) (Below Threshold)
 @USMC: Bro,how long you been here? Im probably only 2nd in downvotes to Waki.
I scoff at the children and their tender PC bullshit
  • + 1
 @scary1: wow, saying you had been down voted because of PC Bull shit is a stretch. If anything the sensitive one is you.
  • + 2
 Does this really only come in 5 sizes?
  • + 1
 @gtill9000: New standard in shoe sizes. Following suit with the biking companies.
  • + 1
 @mi-bike: Came here for this
  • + 0
 @USMC:congrats, you're the first one to accuse me of that. You must be right.
  • + 1
 I saw one at footlocker
  • + 38
 don't scuff my jordans.
  • + 1
 Apparently my shoes are still better at basketball cause I'm doubeling up on ya bro, 5-10 plus I dont look like a geek in the pub after a Freeride session. What competition?
  • + 1
 Sorry, B-ball trash talk. It starts automatically.
  • + 3
 #FUGLY
  • + 70
 @Boardlife69: I hate to burst anyone's bubble but fiveten's are only marginally better looking than orthopedic shoes.
  • + 1
 damn, too late.
  • + 6
 @gingy-0: Karvers are significantly uglier than any shoe on the market. I love mine, but man do they look stupid.
  • + 2
 @gingy-0: Thank you!
  • + 2
 @gingy-0: it was my lame try for something punny. I agree 5-10 are not stylish but compared to these jordashes they look pretty damn good. Its like beer goggles.
  • + 2
 @gingy-0: That's exactly what my wife calls mine.
  • + 1
 @jtayabji actually they look a lot more like Yeezys, which is good by me. These are some wavy shoes.
  • + 1
 youtu.be/hvdZYK01v2o?t=15m16s

I can get these Js dirrttyyyyyyyy!
  • + 1
 @mnorris122: you're right. where are you yeezy? right here apparently.
  • + 0
 @gingy-0: There's fivetens and a fivetens. Freeriders are the best looking bike shoes ever made IMO.
  • + 1
 @mentalhead: The Freeriders are a great shoe for the first three rides, then they fall apart. I am on my third warranty replacement and I don't expect them to be any different.
  • + 1
 @dylandoe: are they pros? mine have been awesome
  • + 1
 @naadams2: Freerider Contact.
  • + 34
 My feet are big. Do they come in BOOST?
  • + 4
 Damn, beat me to it
  • + 2
 They will be way more stable if they do. New industry standard.
  • + 5
 YEEZY YEEZY YEEZY JUST JUMPED OVER....5.10?
  • + 21
 Next time you're buying your broccoli at the grocery store stock up on those clear produce bags. On cold wet days slip them on between your socks and your shoes. Enjoy the warm and dry feeling all day!
  • + 1
 That's not a bad idea! Nice.
  • + 10
 People actually buy broccoli by choice? Weird!
  • + 5
 @HpSauce: You've clearly never covered broccoli in garlic, parmesan cheese and olive oil then roasted it in the oven.
  • + 6
 @mnorris122: Can we just cover bacon in garlic, Parmesan cheese & olive oil instead? Smile
  • + 0
 Hmmm. Are they breathable? If not, I don't want to even imagine the stench of stuffing my feet in a bag and then riding for a few hours.
  • + 18
 I love that someone has put this much effort into a flat pedal shoe, and the end result looks great, but for $240, I can get two pairs of Freeriders and three pairs of socks. I can't imagine that these are 2.5 times better than my trusty Freeriders.

On a different topic, I with Five Ten would make velcro Freeriders...
  • + 4
 me too
  • + 3
 Pop on to CRC - One Ten elastic laces...I use them on my 510s...didn't think I'd like em but soooo much easier.
  • + 7
 Totally agree - at this pricepoint, they're not even an option to consider buying. I could buy 2 pairs of DC's to ride in, a pair of Nike AirMax to run in, some socks, a six-pack of brews and still have a couple bucks left in my pocket.
  • + 2
 Some say you get your Bosomworth.
  • + 15
 This shoe clearly isn't for everyone and I know the price has turned people but lets be realistic this isn't a cheap sport. I don't have fox forks for this exact reason i don't want to spend 900+ on some forks. But I do have these shoes as I was fed up of spending days (literally) waiting for a pair of 5:10s to dry out and the soles not even making it past the 6 month mark just because I happen to run vaults. But what people can't deny is this IS a good shoe I am yet to see a bad review of it. Dont hate and moan about price then drop close to £300 on a seat post! just respect the innovation.
  • + 3
 Does the fabric portion actually breathe or is a kevlar sweat box?
  • + 5
 @dylandoe: If its a hot day just pop the summer liner in and my feet don't sweat any more than usual. They are designed to be machine washed and come out like new every time. Joe is rite, people spend thousands on bikes and there components. Why not look at your footwear the same as an expensive component. Your feet are just as important for sure...
  • + 4
 @EddyStowaway: meanwhile I still have 3 year old 5-10's free riders that have been through mud, rain, snow and everything in between. Soles are just starting to show their age.
  • + 2
 @USMC: Loads of my friends are the same as you and thats was the reason I switched to 5:10s start of last year, but for me its not been the case. I have gone through 2 pairs in a year, the first pair fell apart in less than 6 months the sole came off and the glue started to come apart my second went the same way in less time. I use mine every day (i ride to work) so perhaps thats the reason.
  • + 1
 @joepuddle: My original 5.ten Impacts are still solid, heavy, have a complete lack of ventilation and are still perfectly usable after almost a decade. I replaced them because of the first three details and every pair that I've purchased after that have come apart on me before they were even broken in.
  • + 14
 $180 for a tiny back pack yesterday and $240 for flat pedal shoes. you people are HIGH
  • + 7
 First, I am all for out of the box thinking when it can improve the end experience. However, as I've become more seasoned (older) I appreciate simplicity more than ever. Cycling like many other industries has a million and one tinkerers working to build better mousetraps. It's very easy to add complexity to a design for diminished returns, especially as the more educated among us have so many tools at their disposal it seems like a waste if aren't using them all. I am sure this shoe will do what it sets out to do, but it surely isn't the simplest in design and if it's not surpassing the where the bar has been set (5.10's) what's the point?

Second, esthetics are purely subjective and no matter how well something performs if you do not like the way it looks you are going to be less inclined to use it. Both Crocs and Birkenstocks (Keens too) are very comfortable shoes, but I cannot bring myself to wear them. Not even ironically. #nevertrustamaninsandals, #nobarneyorbettyrubblefeet.
  • + 7
 I'm on my third pair of 5.10s due to warranty exchange, and I expect that these ones will fail just like the first two pair (Freerider Contact, sole starts to separate from the shoe around the edges). Plus they have NO ventilation whatsoever, just like the original 5.10s.

I cringe to think of spending well over $200 for a pair of biking shoes, but the 5.10s are already flawed for a $130 pair.

These do look good to me, just not $250 good.
  • + 3
 @dylandoe: same here. I have the impact VXi's, which cost $150+ depending on whether you can get them on sale. I'm on my second sole detachment. I just said screw it and put gorilla glue on it.

I own the Adidas terrex with stealth soles and they are a close runner up. The rubber compound is a bit more firm so not as grippy. Also, for some reason they are hotter than my VXi's with no vents at all? Go figure. Surely someone will figure this thing out...
  • + 2
 @ryan83: Interesting, I was using the same impacts and the fit was not good at all. They were just a bit big and tended to get loose no matter how much I tightened them down. Didn't have problems with soles though apart from being too soft so the durability was not great at all.

Went with Terrex Solo's (full stealth outsole) and they fit much better and seem to be cooler. Absolutely no problem with grip.
  • + 2
 I have the impact VXi's too and the sole was murdered after like 40 rides. My gf is using my old impacts and they're still going strong after 250+ rides.

The mtb shoe offering is sad. I'm looking for something that breathes a little while having decent toe protection and there aren't many options.
  • + 1
 @PLC07: I'm kinda thinking of trying these. They're horridly expensive but the people who have them seem to sing the same song of quality. Plus they look like they're actually well vented.... I just can't get past the price right now.
  • + 1
 @dylandoe: Price is not a problem for me if I know I'll like them and they'll last more than a season. The thing is I need shoes with big toeboxes so I need to try them before buying. So far it seems only 5.10 fits me well but with their quality issues lately, I ain't paying nearly 200$CAN again for that garbage.
  • + 1
 @PLC07: Thanks for the feedback. I may have to break out my old original 5.ten impacts...they just won't die but they're hot as hell.
  • + 2
 @PLC07: Don't downvote me becuase I mentioned the big S, but their 2FO shoes have been great for me, 2 years old, still in great condition, granted i use the clip version, but apparently they are reasonably grippy. Very comfortable,well ventilated and the toebox has saved me from many a blackened toe. I'd say worth a look if you havent already.
  • + 1
 @Callum-H: Good advice. I may try those. Almost every Specialized piece of gear I've owned has far exceeded my expectations...as much as I'd love to throw shade it's difficult to justify!
  • + 1
 @Callum-H: i'll take a look at them, i actually forgot about these. Hows the ventilation?
  • + 10
 Well if they ever have DH racing on Mars I know what I'm using for shoes...
  • + 10
 Anyone else think they look weirdly similar to wetsuit booties?
  • + 2
 My first thought when I saw these was that these would be great for ww kayaking for those tough carrys over rocky over rocky terrain.
  • + 1
 Yes!!! That was my first thought.
  • + 4
 I have a pair of these and I love them, I have the limited edition black heeled version that makes them look a lot better. I love the fact that they have been engineered for riding and not just some skate shoes with a sticky sole that will fall off after 6. Plus they are extremely comfortable.
  • + 1
 How is the venting? Things get plenty warm here in California and my 5.tens are super hot.
  • + 1
 @dylandoe: I done a push up this weekend at around 20C and my feet never felt hot but my socks were a little sweaty.
  • + 1
 @jewsef: Thanks for the feedback.
  • + 5
 These have a passing resemblance to my Arcteryx boots, which are bomb proof. If these are even have as good as the Arcteryx they'll do just fine. I paid nearly $450 for the them so these are half the cost already! hahaha
  • + 4
 Great to see innovation...price is high which makes it a tough sell but still a nice shoe...5/10's are not supportive enough and you look like a skate boy...Shimano are quite nice for wet/muddy conditions but you look really "special"...and then there are Adidas Terrex Trail...great in all aspects.
  • + 6
 Hmm, these are interesting, a new take on an old idea, let's see... they cost two hundred foOHMYGOD!
  • + 3
 I have a pair and cant say enough good things about them, loads of support and perfect amount of grip and great quality never had a problem with wet feet even in proper wet riding conditions, I think of them as two shoes in one as they come with summer and winter inners!
  • + 1
 Do the uppers breathe at all, or are they a solid shield like my (failing) 5.tens?
  • + 1
 @dylandoe: yeah they do breathe ok, I live and ride in the French Alps and the tempratures can get real hot and I have had no issues so far!
  • + 1
 @Wayno-1: Awesome, thank you for the feedback!
  • + 3
 less expensive route.. trace out a shoe liner on paper from a pair of sneakers. Places like Tap Plastics will cut out a pair of polycarbonate patterns, or " supports" for around $25. I put these supports in my ridng Vans underneath thin shoe liners. to compensate for the polycarbonate support, my ride shoes are a half size larger. my feet dont slip around on the fabric of the shoe liner. dending on how thick the polycarbonate layer is, this method stiffens up the shoes by degress. In my case, the Vans cost $65 usd, the washable liners (superfeet) $30, the polycarbonate supports, $25...bam! the liners and supports
dont wear put so yur just replacing the shoes. works well for me.
  • + 3
 have a pair - they're sweet - once i broke them in a bit the fit improved tremendously and now i don't need to sit on the ground to put them on. Came from a set of VXi's and won't be going back. Feel so much better underfoot, less "stick" for sure but i can't say that the grip is worse at all, just approaching how to grip a pedal in a different way. One thing i really didnt like about my VXi's was how soft they were all around, the sole wasn't stiff at all and even laced tight my foot could move the shoe around a lot. These feel a lot better in all situations. Best way i can describe the grip is if you look at your setup as a complete system, (i.e., shoe, pedal, bike) if you have the right setup for the shoe to work then they blow away 5.10 in all aspects. They're only going to lose in the situations where you have a hardtail or a poorly set up shock that is a bit harsh. If you can get your bike/pedal setup to mitigate the extra sticky sole requirement then they are easily the best shoes ive worn for mtb and youll have a shoe thats light underfoot, stiff enough for long pedaling rides and feels like a big pair of socks on your feet. Mine are 6+ months old now and still look and feel pretty much new with no visible wear. Do still pull out the VXi's if i ride a hardtail instead of my coil sprung trail bike though.
  • + 2
 I'm trying to ask everyone that uses these about the ventilation. The upper looks to have great potential, but it could also be a kevlar hot box. What say you?
  • + 1
 @dylandoe: Ventilation is fine... I have also had mine for 6+ months and cannot think of a ride where I got back home thinking my feet were sweaty.
  • + 1
 @dylandoe: the best thing i can say about the ventilation is that i haven't noticed it. Before i got them broken in, i had a bit of a hot foot on one day but i traced that problem to having the laces waaaay too tight, now i keep them a lot less snug because the shoe fits so well that you almost don't need to tie your laces. Most of my riding is done at 60-80 degrees (f) and i just keep the breathable upper in the shoe unless its wet. You don't notice a breeze or anything but they don't run hot at all. I have used the thermal insert for a couple really wet and cold days and my feet were dry and warm the whole time, no water got into my socks at all. Big thumbs up from me all around.
  • + 1
 @chup29: and @eddysto - Thanks for the feedback guys!
  • + 3
 If it had stealth rubber soles and cost $150 I'd probably get a pair. Looks so much better than my freeriders. Cant give up the grip of the stealth rubber though.... once you go 5:10 its hard to use anything else.
  • + 1
 Yeah I know what your saying, Ive got some Adidas Cross trail as well with stealth rubber but I would not say one pair was better regards grip. Im a bit of a sneaker head as well and I reckon they look sweet, the quality of manufacture is second to none.
  • + 6
 fam they look like water shoes
  • + 3
 have you seen some of the stuff people wear out on the trail? case on point TLD jerseys cdn3.volusion.com/c253w.wqb7o/v/vspfiles/photos/0702-0508TL-2.jpg?1462189488. Personally though i think they look pretty cool.
  • + 3
 For way more value, function and durability I ride the Arcteryx Acrux FL at $230-300 CAN. Bonus if you live in Western Canada as Arcteryx stands by their product and will turn warranties around lickity split.
  • + 1
 Arc'Teryx recently denied my warranty claim, they ain't what they used to be.
  • + 1
 @steed I've been wondering about how the Arcteryx shoes would work for bike riding. There might be some connection between the Arcteryx footwear and these OWN guys as I think they came from Salomon, another Amer-owned company.
  • + 5
 With VAT, that's $286 US dollars....for a pair of shoes. ....a pair of shoes.
  • + 4
 But the shipping is free!
  • + 2
 FVCK WHAT IT COST - I'M A BOSS -TYCOON -Mac Dre.
  • + 2
 How much does your bike cost or a single component?
  • + 1
 @EddyStowaway: Good point.
  • + 1
 @EddyStowaway: how much does OWN pay you?
  • + 2
 I think people should be taught worthwhile skills in school(like how to make shoes), so we're not getting f*cked buying products extremely expensive, because everyone knows how to do it.
  • + 1
 Then again, knowing how to make shoes isn't the same as making them, and having the resources.
  • + 2
 I have been using a pair since they were released and they are amazing, easily enough grip and with the winter liner my feet stayed dry even when I waded through a stream in November. They are a tight fit from new but after a few blasts they are much easier to take on and off. Thats a 10 from me Keith !!!
  • + 2
 I absolutely love the idea, but after almost losing my pinky to a rock in Finale wearing 5.10 dirtbags a few weeks ago i am wondering wether the outer shoe is protective enough.
The price argument is not really an issue, i think 5.10s quality is a lot worse per € and you´ll spend an equal amount of money for any approach shoe, which can be similar construction wise.
  • + 1
 So the fit is "excellent", but they only come in 5 sizes? How is that supposed to work?
Shimano men's shoes typically come in euro sizes 38-48 (11 sizes) and some models even more. I just looked up the M089 ('cause they are the most recent pair I bought), and they come in _16_ sizes in regular width, with 11 of those sizes also available in wide fit!
These look like they might suit the shape of my feet/flippers, but topping out at 300mm they would probably be too small (48W shimano, 30.5 in a Head ski boot)
  • + 1
 They seem pretty ideal, ankle protection and all, but honestly I bought into the whole, "biking shoes" thing, and feel like it makes a small difference generally. My biking shoes are "better"(they're stiffer, and adhere to the pedal more) but also they're like putting on a hockey skate, and I'm by no means a professional where it really really matters.
  • + 1
 Overall the key features I'd look for in a bike shoe would be: 1.Stiffness 2.Proper flat rubber sole 3.BOA laces 4.Ankle protection 5.Breathable 6.Light weight
  • + 1
 A friend of mine tried these and wound up returning them.
Marginal grip (RF Atlas and Diety) was a let down compared to his 5.10s, but bigger issue was fit and feel.
The fit, entry theatrics aside, was great but he could feel movement between the liner and shoe, which drove him crazy.
The varying stiffness of the D30 footbed was also weird.
He wanted to love them but they just fell short of his expectations ultimately.
  • + 3
 Good to see new designs, and glad to hear there are MTB shoes lasting more than 3 months... unlike some other shoes out there..
  • + 1
 I was really hoping that the tight cuff on the liner would solve the issue of water in the shoe. I have been pretty happy with my Freerider EPS until water splashes into the shoe from the top. My feet just get wet from the ankle down on wet rides. The best solution seems to be a trail running gaiter over normal riding shoes with shorter socks, at least for those of us who insist on riding in shorts year round.
  • + 1
 I really like seeing more options out there and I'm excited to give these a try. Full disclaimer I'm not a fan of the 5.10 look and fit. Giro is slightly better in the looks department but also seems to have a goofy fit. Ill wait for proper North American distribution though.
  • + 1
 This is why I switched to shinmano am45 clipless they last. very comfortable and they where only $140.The best shoes Ive ever had where the helly hansen jaguar I bought to pairs and should of bought to more before they stopped making them.
Ever since adidas bought 5-10 there quality has dropped and the prices have gone up $40 ever year since. I really like the vxi but after two weeks of riding the sole was ripped though.
  • + 1
 Pinkbike ads are full of shoes for sale that people bought online that didn't fit right when received. I wear a 9.5 US in everything except 5/10s which fit me in a 10 US + that's not even taking width into account. If you haven't worn a brand of shoes or helmet trying on in a store is the best bet.
  • + 2
 Exact same here! Except NOW.. It's even worse. I got a new set of Maltese Falcons, again, I wear a 9.5 in most shoes.. I got the 10 and STILL had to send them back to Backcounty and get a 10.5. That's a full size up difference. They are rather narrow in the toe box. Not sure what has changed.
  • + 1
 @ryanholio: I had the same issue with the Falcons!
  • + 2
 Mine personally, isn't a fit issue with the length, it's the width. I do wear nearly a 9.5 in every shoe, but a 10 kestrel lace is still too narrow, even though my large toe is nearly a full inch from the end. My full shoe collection is nearly all 5/10's; Guide Tennies, Freeriders, Impacts, Hellcats, etc, and those all fit great.
  • + 2
 When people ask me what size shoe I am, I say 7 - 10.

Which is normally met with "How can your feet be several sizes?"

My feet aren't the issue here. It's the varying sizes that shoes are manufactured to. In one shoe, I am a size 7. In another a size 10. But most often I fit a 9.

So yeah... Always buy shoes in store. Unless you're replacing like-for-like.
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 @mtnbykr05: I had used Impacts, which I had to buy a little big to fit my wide forefoot - the extra length and the bulk of the shoe made them feel pretty clunky for the type of riding I do. Tried Freeriders - and despite going even bigger, they just ended up being way too narrow for me. Looked all over, ended up with Impact VXI - still heavier than I'd like, but not as bad as the regular Impact. Still narrower than I'd like - but not as bad as the Freerider.

Five Ten is now part of the Adidas empire, and they seem to keep growing. The latter would make you think they'd start doing their shoes in different widths, New Balance style. But the former seems to suggest against that - Adidas generally hasn't done different widths for most of their shoes (and much of their stuff is on the narrow side, it turns out). The problem is that their business model seems to thrive on a steady stream of "new" styles - basically, same shoe, same last, but slightly different materials and optics. So if they did the New Balance thing and made them in different widths, they'd end up with a lot more SKUs - and then a lot more inventory to close out at the end of the product cycle.

That sort of model makes sense for brands like Adidas or Nike and such, where there's a big fashion component to it all. But damn - flat pedal shoes tend to wear out, they have to or they won't be any good (only soft rubber sticks well to pedals - but soft rubber and aggressive pedal platforms and pins, not to mention rocks and grime, make for heavy wear). So it's not like we don't all replace our Five Tens pretty frequently anyway.
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 @haroman666: Depends on whether the store stock what you need. I'm all for supporting my local shops. But for most people with hard-to-fit feet, the whole free returns, free shipping thing the online retailers offer tends to be a less frustrating experience. Order three or four pairs of shoes, try them on in the comfort of you home, return the ones you don't want. It's a tough model to compete with for local retailers who can't really afford to have enough inventory to offer the sort of selection you need to fit people.

With you on your disdain for the inconsistency in sizing - it's maddening.
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 sounds like you just overthink the question.
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 I find that 5.10 and Vans sizing to be the same at the 11.5 size.. Only 2 shoes I wear. I'm not sure if I like or dislike my odd Macaskills but they do a damn good job sticking my feet to the pedals.
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 Thats why they are measured in MM metric, every brand has slightly different sizing so this ensures perfect fit.
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 @mtnbykr05: Same issue here.. it's the width in the toe box...
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 When you want to mtb and scuba dive but don't want to change shoes? The inner boot thing can be a good concept, but I'd personally want something with a lot more protection and that didn't look so blah.
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 hype. i want a pair
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 Wish more people would get on board with a flat pedal specific shoe. If these were free i wouldnt wear them. Sorry not my style. Vans are you listening? For now ill stick with my freeriders.
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 Looks like something Ronald McDonald would wear. And why does waterproofness always have to be for cold conditions. Some of us live places where it's hot and wet.
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 seems way more then necessary
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 Than.
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 @stumpymidget: yeah no after eye see watt eye sub mitted I new sum one wood half a kneed two bee the grammar police....
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 Good luck you're going to need it
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 Timbs >
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 Deadass my dude
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 Timbalands?
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 @StFred: deadass my dude
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 Awesome first shoe for this company. They are only going to get better. They already make 510's look like old tech.
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 Big Baller Brand getting into MTB?
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 $240 is way to cheap for Lavar...
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 I tought 5Ten's are expensive. Shoes for spoiled BRAT'S with the exception to sponsored rider's. The only way I'll wear this shoes is for test rides and can keep it.
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 As a basketball fan, Im loving this.
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 looks pretty cool
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 they look dorky as heck, but i'd wear them, although they look similar to adidas ZX flux's.
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 Those are ridiculous. Only thing those seem suitable for is people on bikepacking trips doing water crossing and what not. But the tread pattern would be useless for that. Not sure who thought those were a good idea but they were wrong.
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 When ball is life
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 Pretty sure Eminem wore these in 8mile... Knees weak, moms spaghetti palms are sweaty, mom's spaghetti, blah blah blah vomit on the sweater and back to the spaghetti...
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 Strange, I was thinking how D3O would work as an insole a couple days ago
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 C.L.O.W.N. Completely lacking only what's necessary. Gotta pull the piss first, another flat shoe player aint a bad thing.
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 A sock with a rubber sole and a shoe.......hmmm almost like a surf bootie and a basketball shoe
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 Full on Ninjaduro!
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 If it can make me cross like Allen Iverson then I am IN!!
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 These shoes will channel Iverson and make you destroy Jordan with no practice
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 1) market research
2) design
Not the other way around please
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 More than what's necessary
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 The thing about the internet is that there is so much stuff you can't unsee, no matter how much you want to.
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 Nice to see a new flat paddle shoe! Looks comfy.
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 Well Dan and Warren hope u can cope with the flood of orders
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 still not as fresh as my timbs tho B
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 They look like the inner booty out of my Scott Genius MX boots...
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 @nortizzle is a 300mm big enough for you!!?
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 5.10 for life.
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 peter quill called and said he wants his shoes back!
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 Why the white heel?
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 If your not a white heel kind of dawg you can go for the all black stealth versions. Its made from some form of tuff polycarbonate plastic that protects your heel a treat. Mine have some nasty marks on that would of hurt if I was wearing my Adidas.
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 Rubber boots cost somewhere in the neigbourhood around $10 - $30. Probably work just as well and it's high enough to protect both the shins and the calves.
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 Get them re-soled with 5.10 stealth rubber!
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 Go on then, buy them instead!!
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 I have never seen shoes sized in MM. Is this a new standard?
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 It just ensures the perfect fit for each individual riders foot. Its a shame all the none believers could not Demo a pair for a day. They really are amazing!! I was reluctant to buy a pair but so glad I did.... Dan and Warren, you can demo bikes so why not shoes!!
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 every ski boot out there
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 These look like they should have automatic laces
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 makes my eyes mOWN
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 Thermo-bonded=melted together, right?
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 basketball shoes? running shoes?
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 Get right out of here.
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 Those look like nice surf booties
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 Uuuhh...fuck that shit!
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 F**K THEY ARE UGLY... I will stick with my 5 10s which work perfectly well.
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 But are perfectly ugly too (no offense, I wear five ten too)
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 @Aprilfisheye @fartymarty the point is you couldn't comfortably go to the pub, post ride wearing these, you'll look like a twat.... 5.10s are ok for the pub as look pretty well like normal trainers.
I like the idea of putting d30 in shoes mind, seems like a neat idea
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 @graeme187: 5.10s even look alright if you need to present a TV show.
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 @graeme187: I don't really get this post ride pub dress codes things. In those pubs you frequent, do they require a smart casual wear or whatever? Apart from road cycling shoes, I didn't see any MTB shoes which I would be ashamed to walk in. If you come from a mountain sprayed in mud all over your you, the last thing I (as an owner of a pub) would be concerned with is the design of your shoes.
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 @Archimonde: You've not been to Surrey (UK) have you...
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 @graeme187: Peaslake Massive. Respect.
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 @fartymarty: Never going to let you in the Hurtwood with these wetsuit shoes on Wink
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 This looks like something out of an Eastbay catalogue from 2004. These things are completely hideous.
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 No thanks.
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 Super ugly and why the f*ck would I buy them when I can get 5.10 freeriders for around $60 online. This makes no sense.
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 Not for me!
They look like wetsuit boots????
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 Flat shoes????? I'd rather rock some vans for 1/12 the cost.
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 Was the designer drunk?
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 euh no

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