The World Championships got underway today in MSA with the team relay and a new event, eMTB Worlds. Switzerland took the win in the relay, with Jolanda Neff and Nino Schurter doing the heavy heavy lifting in the last two laps to take the lead and snatch the win. Kate Courtney and team USA took second, and Pauline Ferrand Prevot and team France rounded out the medals in third. After the team relay, the newest addition to World Championships, eMTB racing, took place. In a four-lap format. Alan Hatherly from RSA and Nathalie Schnitter of Switzerland took the top honors on the Turbocharged bikes.EXC
@tobiusmaximum: " Strangely, downhill also requires fitness."
I'm not saying the opposite. Just stating that XC combine both. Obviously since they spend more time climbing this is the most important part related to the classification. @Davichin idea of creating a combined event would be nice actually. People would say that is what should be Enduro but Enduro is more about having the endurance to ride multiple DH in the same day and you'd have to create an enduro with very strict time cuts that are hard to reach for the climbing parts and no shuttle. But then how do you define how hard is too hard ?
No need to put them on a DH track, the less skilled ones would simply walk the rock gardens and ride around the steepest drops even with 200mm of travel. It would be painful to wastch.
Anyone ever read the series of books: Uglies, Pretties, etc..? Its where we’re going, sadly.
But going round and XC course with a motor? Pointless to me.
The EWS did a test event last year in Finale: www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMj18XL32r0
It kinda opens up some new possibilities in track design such as technical uphills and - what probably stuck most with me - riders can accelerate out of corners on a totally different level.
Factor in also the considerations of battery preservation and you can get an interesting format IMO.
So it becomes more about technology than fitness or skill. This isn’t F1 or MX
IMO having timed climbs, especially steep/techy ones, is a way more interesting ebike format than just using them as quasi-shuttles in an enduro format. I'm not necessarily an ebike fan but the Tour Du Mont Blanc format seems legitimately super cool... brutal climbs, massive elevation gain/loss, 85% singletrack, hike-a-bikes, etc.
Rules shmules! I think the 'mechanical doping' would spiral wildly out of control unless heavily regulated some how.
I say if there's going to be e-bike enduro racing, just call the category E-Bike Open, where the only rules are battery-powered pedal-assist only and minimum and maximum weight limits (easy tech inspection). Design the courses to ensure bike designers/mechanics have to consider battery consumption, but otherwise let 'em have at it with the bike! I think that would actually be fun to watch since you wouldn't have to worry about whether or not someone's bike is unfairly faster than another's... because there wouldn't be any "unfairness" in the bike design.
It would make much more sense that the emtb race was a bunch of middle aged out of shape people with day jobs. Then the technological winner would be clear.
The other alternative would be that instead having the "Mercedes" world cup as we have now, you just have one bike brand that hosts a whole series, supplies riders with bikes and all that. I'm not into car racing, but I recall you also had/have the Renault Clio races where all drives drive that same model and it really is about driver skill.
One other alternative I can think of if bike brands really want to have a competitive e-bike format is that they actually need to agree upon certain specifications they need to comply with. After the race, all bikes are handed to e-WADA for scrutineering. When a bike is found to not comply, no matter if the athlete was directly sponsored or not, all bikes from that brand (or at least that model) are exempt from competition for the remainder of the season and possibly even for next season. This should be good reason for bike manufacturers to actually put effort into making bikes that can not be messed with.
I still don't think a Scott/Trek/etc are going to love their sponsored riders racing on a Haibike. Sponsored riders' jerseys still have sponsor names/logos on them. And I assume they'll want their regular mtb athletes crossing over to compete in ebike comps to show that the whole ebike thing is legit.
There was an interesting scene in the recent Fox Dialed video that showed them calibrating the bikes for max assist speed (put the bike in a track, roll it a known distance to measure wheel revs, then Shimano/Bosch/etc reps adjust the software limits). After this all the bikes had to be stored in a secured/supervised corral until competition. So it seems like there's already some agreement between mfrs about how to handle this.
Wyn Masters didn’t seem that impressed at all
I mean.... sure it’s less of a fitness challenge; but it’s not on autopilot either, and XC tracks are legit technical nowadays.
I’m really not an ebike guy, but I mean, come on, it’s not as simple as simply showing up to the race with the good bike and taking the win, those guys would smoke the absolute hell out of us even if they were riding our grandma’s bikes.
And everyone then relies on there fitness and strength.???
It's the same as any motor sport - it's good for teams because frankly, the difference between bicycles are virtually non existent and not detrimental to the overall standings becuse bike technology is much simpler than the one in motor sport.
E-bikes open up interesting new discipline like F1, WRC and similar with brands and manufacturers competing and using it as a brand strenghtening medium.
Nino Schuter would win on any bike, not just Scott as it doesn't really make any difference between top bikes of any brand, but with E-bikes, more credit is given to the bike and not just the rider so it's more interesting for the manufacturers.
Regardless, land and trail managers better get their poop in a group and decide where these motorbikes can and cannot go.
Bafang for example tends to be an All-or-nothing kinda delivery. This makes for a very sudden and uncontrollable acceleration.
Bosch is the middle ground. It prefers lower gears and high cadence. It’s a bit harder to jump out of corners that way but the power is there when you need it once up to speed.
Yamaha uses more sensors and has a more functional use of power across a wider variety of gears and cadences. This allows for a much more realistic bicycle experience. It’s also faster in a racing scenario because it allows use of all those small little pedal kicks that are not possible on less sensitive systems.
I’m only using these brands because I have a lot of experience with them. I know there are lots of good options available.
The whole thing is going to end in a shitmix and the sport will be vastly worse off for it..
It’s an entirely different sport that is looking for a home. It will continue to develop and will most likely welcome its own track design and associated culture.
I don’t think anyone is disagreeing that it is a motor powered bike. The big disagreement is over which sport it is more like and that is absurd. It’s an entirely different thing. Just let it grow.
This could be the coolest thing to hit mtb for years, they just need to get the uphills super gnarly and enduro/dh descents to remove the bias towards the normal XC racer on the climbs.
Like Trials meets Dh....
Team relay winner 1:02:55
Mens eMTB winner 1:04:53
Womens eMTB winner 1:11:38
I would like to see lap times to compare just out of curiosity.
Jolanda's bike https://www.brujulabike.com/trek-supercaliber-primeras-imagenes/
This opens up the racing to more people which can only be a good thing for racing/riding in general. I'm not an ebike fan either but they have there place.
(tongue only slightly-in-cheek) there's a long history they could build on too . .
Can't wait. ( ° ͜ʖ͡°)╭∩╮