Pinkbike Annual Community Survey Results: Who Are Pinkbike Readers?

 worse than riding gravel? Admitting you like it.

 Bikes are awesome, ride everything you can get your hands on... except ebikes. Draft them all the way to work.

 @Philthy503: Don't knock it till you try it - gravel eBikes will blow your mind!

Be safe be well,
Incognito Robin

 This Incognito Robin is becoming the "looks like a Session" thats in every comment section

 Are they padding his likes in the IT department?

 the comments are going to be epic

 @DizzyNinja: I wish...my CTO is the biggest jerk in this whole company...he's banned me on here once already but Brian Park pulled some strings and got me back...incognito of course!

Be safe be well,
Incognito Robin

 @Helm72: DOESN'T look like a gravel eBike!

Be safe be well,
Incognito Robin

 I also have a snowbike which doubles as a sandbike. No dirtbike, though.

 @notoutsideceo when the paywall goes live can you out a lock icon on the locked articles so I know not to click on them in advance? Thanks!

 I don't know where else to comment this, so i'll just say it here:

If you go to Mike Levys profile page right now you can see the fotos they took for autumn field test. Lots of interesting bikes. The only question is why that Giant is blurred.

 Gravel and Enduro. Whatelse?...

 There must be a typo with the number of people who took the survey. 20,000 respondents, but 70,000 say they ride gravel bikes? How many times did you all take that survey?

 @Helm72: He's becoming a little played out at this point.

 @budjoni: LONG LIVE HIS MAJESTY, DICK POUND

 @aelazenby: it’s a ranked vote. So the option the respondents selected as first gets 12 points, second 11, third 10…and so on.

 Batman called…..he wants robin back

 Word! I've seen it and god it's disappointing.

 If you don’t start your comment off with “as a female”, I’m willing to bet the other commenters will look past your gender. They might even remain completely ignorant of it.
But the thing is, everybody get emotionally abused by pinkbike comments, nobody is excluded from public ridicule, it’s real equality over here

 This is probably only the 5th or so comment I've made on here this year. Used to comment over the last 10 years so on about a daily basis, but about 2 years ago, it got nuts with a-holes attacking people all the time. The founder of PB even tried to say it was freedom of speech. There's really nothing else like this out there, but I still check in every day. Just don't say anything. I don't know if the new owner is policeing it or not. But I feel your frustration.

 @fewnofrwgijn: Yes, even if a male posts something that is contrary to the dominant viewpoint, it gets flamed just the same.

However, imagine a room filled with a hundred people, 97% are white males and the other 3% are female, tell me how that would feel as a woman ... you'd probably feel a bit conspicuous and isolated.

I'm an old white guy, but I've had some experience in other cultures where I was the minority ... and though it was weird and uncomfortable, I still felt confident because of my position in the global society.

Years ago I was taking a class and the professor asked the class what it was worth to them if they never had to fear being assaulted anywhere, even walking down a dark alley at night. How do you think the response differed between men and woman?

The women in the class concluded that this ^ would be priceless, but the men didn't think it was worth nearly as much ... no suprise.

 All comment section on the interwebs are full of tools. Not just here.

 @fewnofrwgijn: No... its definitely not equal, not even close.

Jokes based on sexist tropes are used here on a daily basis. I'm not saying that these individuals are doing so with any any malice intended; however, it is emblematic of the fact that misogyny (to varying degrees) is overtly and subliminally engrained in most men greater that say 25 years old. It took me having two daughters to gain some clarity on this subject, and while I can never truly understand (because I'm a man), you start to see how most of human history is a story of men doing what they can to control and exert power over the world around them, and asserting control over women was an extension of that thinking.

I believe the whole point of her comment (if I'm understanding it correctly) isn't that people should look past her gender (I didn't realize being female was a negative attribute others had to try to "look past") but accept it and not create a hostile environment toward it. There are plenty of morally upstanding individuals who are advocates of women, but still have engrained sexist tendencies they're not even aware of.

 @nurseben: but this is the internet, nobody cares what color you are, what body parts you have, or how many of “your people” are also looking at mtb articles. There are no dark alleyways here, if your opinion of mountain bikes is shit, you’re gonna get a strongly worded message and will probably forget about it by the end of the day.
I feel like if anybody says the pinkbike.com comment section is putting them off from the hobby of mtb, then they probably didn’t love mtb in the first place

 Could you please give an example? Not trying to demean your opinion, just honestly trying to understand your point of view.

I'm asking because compared to the rest of the internet, the PB comment section seems to be a relatively mild-mannered crowd. And I don't think I remember ever reading any comment here that was just straight up mysoginy or misandry.

 i dont think i have ever made a comment that gives an indication of my sex, how do commenters know you are a woman ?

 @jaytdubs: We look past all traits except the words you say, and your username. All your other traits are irrelevant. That’s how Internet forums work…

 as an average user, I don´t check for others sex

 @GotchaJimmy: What do you mean? He's pointing out that if you don't explicitly state that you're of a particular gender, most people will probably assume that you're a guy anyways. In the worst case that is ignorance, but not at all mysoginy.

 @GotchaJimmy: if you think my comment was misongynistic, perhaps you need a dictionary

 @SimonJaeger: see post above

 I think sadly the social psychology of anonymous online commenting sets up a scenario where the outer edges of "being a crap human" have room to flourish. Before the interwebs you either had to mail it in or say it to someone's face. Walking up to a real life human and saying "Yo- I'd love to be the seat on her bike" has obvious potential consequences as you may get kneed in the groin and/or publicly recognized as a creepy ass-hat. Mailing it and waiting three weeks for a: "Thank you for your interest in being my bicycle seat. The proposition sounds unsanitary, ill-informed and unsafe. No thank you. Sincerely Bewildered in Bellingham" had no instant reward to warrant the effort. However, the anonymity and instantaneous nature of the internet provides a relatively safe and efficient dopamine feeding trough for trolls. Even the negative votes lets people feel seen and rewarded. I'm sure we have all been guilty at times of commenting something without full imagination of how others might feel reading it. Gendered gatekeeping and mansplaining are rampant (I'm a man and explaining my belief so this may also be seen as that... it was intended as more an opinion to all pallets on the gender charcuterie board). Sorry it has felt unsafe for you here and hope we can do better...but I'm also not holding my breath sadly. Just know that the comments can be a cesspool and hopefully don't represent the majority of mountain bikers.

 @taprider: yes it’s hilarious because he spelled a word wrong while telling someone they need a dictionary, but he makes a valid point

 @skiandmtbdirtbag: Because she starts them out with, “As a woman,…”

Duh.

 @fewnofrwgijn: As a man, I’m a bit of a dummy

 @fewnofrwgijn: The fact that its a problem to start a comment with "As a female" is a huge issue right there.

 @fewnofrwgijn: this is the one I was referring to
SimonJaeger
Could you please give an example? Not trying to demean your opinion, just honestly trying to understand your point of view. ...
fewnofrwgijn (33 mins ago)
@nurseben: but this is the internet, nobody cares what color you are, what body parts you have, or how many of “your people” are also looking at mtb articles. There are no dark alleyways here, if your opinion of mountain bikes is shit, you’re gonna get a strongly worded message and will probably forget about it by the end of the day.
I feel like if anybody says the pinkbike.com comment section is putting them off from the hobby of mtb, then they probably didn’t love mtb in the first place

 @jaytdubs: I'll take light-hearted sexist tropes and jokes over the puritanically humorless world the internet moral busy bodies seem to be pushing for. That goes both ways. If we can't laugh at ourselves, then we're doomed.

 @nurseben: "imagine a room filled with a hundred people, 97% are white males and the other 3% are female, tell me how that would feel as a woman ... you'd probably feel a bit conspicuous and isolated."
THIS! Well said. What a great visual to represent how we feel.

 @TwoNGlenn: I blame Dangerholm for over-sexualizing mtb

 Man, the amount of snowflakes in here

 @fewnofrwgijn: But people do care, that's the problem. Most people don't have insight into how their beliefs are determined by their environment, and if they do know their biases, they may not want to change especially if they don't see a problem with how they think or act.

 @wburnes: First off, the Pinkbike poll literally shows us that most are men. Second off, you can set your gender on your profile for all to see. Third, I often state I am a woman when commenting because its important for others to understand where Im coming from. Lastly, no where did I say all women agree with me. My comment is written from my point of view exclusively.

 @pressurecooker: that’s a dumb argument, I don’t feel comfortable with a room full of random men in any form, why do people think “the penis club” or “the vagina club” is a substitute for having actual friends and like-minded individuals with you? I don’t trust random men for no reason, I’m blown away that women would trust random women for no reason.

 @Perra: Everyone is a "snowflake" about some issue(s), you included.

Simply saying someone is a snowflake is a minimization of their concerns, interesting how that paints you ....

 Can we get an example of said misogynistic comment section pummeling?

 "That's just the way the internet works" is not the defense people think it is. If we want to make our space welcoming for more people, we have to put in the work ourselves to do so.

As if making this sport more inclusive is a bad thing? We get more voters for trail access, more group rides that keep running, more trail builders digging, more bike shops in business, more races, and so on.

We know that a lot of men aren't willing to admit that they feel threatened by a woman with an opinion. Some can't admit that to others, or even themselves. Not all men feel this way, of course, but enough do to contribute to numbers like that. I think people mistake the outwardly sexist people to be the only problem, while giving themselves a pass on more subtly harmful behaviors.

For instance, do you folks notice that it sometimes takes a man rephrasing a woman's point, in order for another man to get it? Misogyny is so ingrained that problematic men end up respecting another man before they do a woman. It's like when women at a bar have more success turning someone away by saying "I have a boyfriend" instead of "I'm not interested." That's something we have to work on as a group. (Not faulting @jaytdubs in the slightest here, rather it's just something that happens in mountain biking, as well as workplaces everywhere.)

We men can do better, but we have to work together for it.

 "I don't see a problem with how women are treated." - Man who treats women like garbage.

 @thereandbackagain: No one is defending misogyny, or belittling women, or talking down to women. People are arguing thw point because this forum is completely anonymous. I have no idea the sex of everyone commenting here unless otherwise specifically stated. For example I have no idea if you’re a woman or a man. If you turned out to be a woman am I being misogynistic, or are we just people with two different perspectives.

 PB comments scores ok on the " would you say that if your daughter/ wife/mother was reading this" scale in my books. Are we middle aged, rich white dudes who can be idiots, big yes. I would say the worst gets downvioted pretty fast!
I consider PB commnents pretty tame compared to lots of the crap my teenagers see daily on tiktoc.

 @nurseben: Mate, untwist your knickers. There's a difference between real world problems and your perceived problems from people having a laugh behind their keybords.

 @SimonJaeger: Take a look at the behold threshold comments on any article featuring Emily Batty

 @jpetznick: i just did a search for emily batty articles on pb, the majority of comments are positive, and i certainly cant see any meaningful difference from any article on a male athlete?

 I always just assumed everyone here is a dude and reply to all comments accordingly. So if I’ve ever replied to a comment of yours and was a big jerk about it (frankly, a strong possibility), I apologize. I guess the good news is I didn’t reply out of a place of misogyny, because like I said, I just figured everyone was a dude.

 @SimonJaeger: Sure...
From - Video: Christina Chappetta Conquers Fears on the Pinkbike Hot Lap

Me: "So sick! What a fun looking trail. Christina crushed it. But why is the ratio of guys to girls so uneven? Why does Pinkbike continue to contribute to the inequity we see if this sport? You've got to do MORE than you think to get things to an equilibrium."

Respondent: "Spot the feminist snowflake wannabe"
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From - Interview: Nina Hoffmann on Sticking to Her Guns and Not Taking a Team Offer for 2020

Me: "I am confused at how she is riding for Santa Cruz but not riding on the Syndicate.... "Since I knew I couldn’t get on the Syndicate" ... What? Why not? What is the difference? Why is the Syndicate so opposed to adding a girl on their team? As a female rider who has only ridden Nomads all my life (excuse me I should say who has only SHREDDED on nomads all my life) it is so disheartening to see the Syndicate be all male year after year. As the comment above- can we get more info on this?"

Respondent 1: " I wonder if they employ one woman the have to be 50% of the employee force or it's discrimination."

Respondent 2: "Why is the Syndicate so opposed to having a girl on the team?" Are they?

Respondent 3: "You say "I bet you would too if things were reversed." So let's reverse your situation, where instead of the rider, you are the company owner. You look at who is buying your bikes, who you think you can sell your bikes to, and then you do what you can to maximise sales. So... Do you sponsor a male or a female? I am a professional data analyst. I once looked at the ratio of males to females of the most recent DH and enduro races on Roots And Rain (I bored and recovering from wrist surgery). Every event was about 9:1 male:female. Sponsoring a female racer is not the way to sell bikes. Instead, the types of participation events that Liv run is what I'd recommend if I was your accountant. I've never seen a barrier for women to participate in DH when I used to race and host events for my club. Yet the proportion of female racers doesn't increase. I look at my wife's sport, which is ultra running, and wonder how an event with 2000 m of vert over 50 km has 72% women. That is a tough event and women love it and they sell out at $200 a race."

Respondent 4: "don't rely on your heroes to be women. I see myself in all sorts of people, men and women, and many of my heroes are men. It'll surprise you how much mental aspects are common to both sexes and how much the same struggles are experienced. if someone needs a hero to follow into an activity where broken bones are not optional, then perhaps it's the wrong activity for them."
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From: Update: Full Rider List Announced for Red Bull Hardline
Me: "@pnwpedal: "I guarantee that any proven female rider who expressed interest would be encouraged to ride" - Its always interesting when men who are not involved in putting on events respond like this. Like how do you know? There are countless events women have been asking to be apart of for years and they are denied. Dont assume if you dont know how these things get organized."

Respondent: "I imagine Dan does not want to be responsible for any girls crashing. smart."
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From: THE SYNDICATE - BTS of a World Cup Mechanic - Tom's Day Out (Youtube)
Me: "Love these videos. When will the Syndicate add a woman to the team??"
Respondent 1: "I guess when they find one suitable, not one to just tick a box."
Respondent 2: " You do know about their General Manager Kathy Sessler? Not bad compared to the rest of the DH teams I reckon"
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And lets not forget this very article we are all commenting on...

 Forums are generally pretty contentious. The fact that you see this as anti women, I never really looked at it that way. Thanks for sharing! There is certainly something to it, or more women would be engaged in the sport. One thing I have noticed is a decidedly "patronizing" attitude toward women both on the forums and the trails, but I never looked at it through the lens you presented. Funny too, since many of the men who talk down to the women who ride aren't even good riders, they just assume the women are below them. It sucks! So to all the guys here who are challenging or explaining this to the OP, let's instead reflect on what we do and see if we can make a positive change across in the community. Pretend it is your mom/wife/sister/daughter and think about whether you would want her to put up with this. Also realize she probably does, and we just don't see it.

 @pressurecooker: this does not help your argument, all it shows is you instigating unrelated fights on videos of riders and athletes based on little to no information and attacking bike companies and pinkbike for reasons that are theorized by you, on the spot. You’re right, I do see toxic commentary here…

 I've got another one to add to the list...
Me: This article
Respondent: "Hey Karen, do you want to speak with the manager?"

 @pressurecooker: How does Pinkbike contribute to inequality in the sport? They’ve got some fantastic females on staff making great content despite the fact that over 90% of the readership is male. Just shooting from the hip here, but perhaps mountain biking is an inherently male sport for whatever reason. On a personal level, I’ve gotten my wife into riding, my neighbor has gotten his wife into riding, my brother introduced his gf to riding. Trust me, most dudes want to see more ladies who ride. Don’t let the usual few tools discourage you.

 @bok-CZ: I disagree, boss. It’s my impression PB is quite female friendly, despite its readership demographics.

 @TwoNGlenn: dude do you even see the thread you're replying to

 @pressurecooker: my perspective is that even if pinkbike puts out a woman-centric article about someone shredding in a company-endorsed video, someone like you will come and look for any way to throw blame at them (and the rider herself) for keeping women down. My perspective is that you are actively trying to fill the world with negativity and division with your comments. I recognize (hope) that your actions don’t represent the actions of any other woman.

 So many comments making so many assumptions.

 @fewnofrwgijn: My profile is easy to click on and Pinkbike has stored every comment I've ever made. Try clicking and reading. You will see that I have intentionally commented on female shreddits and articles encouraging and saying how awesome they are for many years. Your comment doesnt stand.
I looked through yours, didnt see one comment on a female centric article showing encouragement.

 @pressurecooker: I don’t dive into people post histories to get ammo for the argument that’s currently happening… probably why I’ve never seen a pinkbike poster’s gender either

 @pressurecooker: I looked at the comment you posted, it was divisive and unnecessarily negative. I don’t care what negativity-offsets you made in the past, in that one comment, you were an ass, and it did not help your argument.

You kinda have to take responsibility for each thing that you say, you can’t just say “well look at how nice my comments were 2 months ago, you aren’t allowed to criticize this angry negative comment today”

 As an asthmatic, I would just like to state that I find the lack of representation that we as a group receive on Pinkbike (and in the media at large) is disrespectful and demeaning. Myself along with 8.6% of the population (approx 3x the proportion of PB's readers who identify as female) have to contend with being totally ignored as a group at best, and facing apathy from the fellow commenters at worst. Thousands of us are crying out for a PB staff member who we can relate to. Someone who knows what it's like to be belittled by those people who don't have asthma and choose to lord their privilege over us, talking about Strava segments and lung-busting climbs. A climb from the street to the train platform is lung busting to us, you selfish bastards!
Non-asthmatics can do better. At least try to empathise. Even try to live a day in our shoes. It's the only way to embrace us as a group, give us the respect we deserve and encourage more of use to take up mountain biking.
We're a major growth area and deserve to be treated with the same respect afforded to our able-bronchioled brethren. The apathy has to end.

 @jaame: Dang. Checkmate.

 You can't take comments to personally. Most people are either intentionally being idiots or truly are.

 Thanks for sharing your feelings on this - I imagine you knew it would attract some negative comments but showed courage to do it anyway. I consider myself a pretty 'reasonable commenter' but I'm sure I easily scroll past negative/misogynistic comments without giving too much thought ... I'll try to be more vigilant and to help make this a more welcoming place for all!

 So many Pinkbike boys are offended. Some thIngs will never change.

 The "Pink" in Pink Bike is an example of Dude-Think. "Pink" was thought to be the opposite of what they considered freeride mtn biking to be; therefore, it would not have already been reserved as a domain name

 @TwoNGlenn: just joking here

 @MuddyBrit: Appreciate that! Thank you for seeing things through someone else's eyes. It has been eye opening to me to understand many dont see those comments as negative or misogynistic. Its been an interesting day reading all these perspectives for sure.

 Those are broad and generalising statements. I believe you when you write that you've had misogynistic responses, but I'm sorry, I just don't believe you when you write that "most pinkbike commenters can't handle opinions from women". I'm certain the vast majority can handle them just fine and see that most feminist posts get upvoted and misogynistic posts get downvoted. This wouldn't happen if the "vast majority' didn't respect women and their opinions or riding performance. Don't let the vocal and rude minority cloud your world view.

 @jaame: wow.

 @Mac1987: I disagree with you. You seem to have a good heart, but men just don’t often seen the harm because they aren’t the ones it’s directed toward. You seem to have good intentions so nothing against you. But don’t talk like you understand a females experience.

 @onemanarmy: Says the guy. Holler when you are ready to actually understand a different view point. You are in an echo chamber here at Pinkbike so you think you are right, but I dare you step out of your comfort zone to try and understand.

 @The-Hangtime-Podcast: You sound like someone with a massive persecution complex. Grow up, men are not hating or oppressing you.

 @wburnes: Nice gaslighting there.

Bring on the downvotes, sockpuppet brigade. I know y;all have nothing better to do with your time since you're bitter and alone.

 @onemanarmy: that is very accurate.

 I hope all the males in this thread come back a few days from now and realize they literally showed why women don't engage with the male MTB community outside of a few decent people. And why men's assumptions of women not being in the sport because, "they don't like the sport" becomes true. Women don't like the sport because it's full of immature cavemen that just want something to ogle on the side of the trail, and get emotional any time women start becoming their true equals in skill or representation.

A few women in here tried to share their POV and *immediately* male commenters came in saying, "As a man, let me tell you how you should feel.". This is exactly why so many men don't "see a problem" with how women (or anyone who isn't a white cis straight male) are treated in this comment section or out on the trail.

Imagine y'all were sitting in an auditorium with a mic placed just in front of the stage. The person presenting asks women how they feel about an issue, and instruct them to line up at the mic to offer their input. ...Only instead of women, half the men in the audience rush the mic and monopolize it to give their opinions. Imagine if you were sitting in that audience and watched that happen? Because that's what happens 99% of the time we try to tackle these issues.

So many of you aren't ready to sit at the table and have a real conversation about this. Because you're so used to being the ones talking that you can't STAND the idea of sitting quietly and actually *listening* to the other side for a change. Men say women are too emotional, but my gods there is nothing more dramatic than a man who feels his ego threatened by a women.

Go ahead and downvote this, you're just proving the point you don't want to listen.

 pressurecooker ... it's a race to see who has it longer between man and man ... imagine between man and woman :-D

 @thereandbackagain: I want to point out the the internet was inclusive before the idiots get in with their smartphones.
If you are here since 2000 or even before you know what I am talking about. It's the same for online Games.
The new dudes and dudets are the toxic shit. Bann idiots wha have no competence for the Web. They can still consume it but cant write or upload anything.
Tinfoil hats are on the rise also for the same reason...

 inclusivity is all about including everyone. That includes c*nts. The fact is, there a lot of c*nts about. It's not inclusive to ban them; quite the opposite.
If one cannot learn to get on with one's life in the presence of c*nts, one has no hope of happiness.
A wonderful skill to have is to be able to disagree with someone and then to get on with life. Stiff upper lip.

 I have commented lots on PB and probably like the vast majority on here, have never even thought about the sex, sexual persuasion, colour of skin, age of the person I am responding too or who reads my comments. (that might just be me)
I comment my opinion or thoughts and read other peoples opinions and thoughts. We do live in a world where everyone has access to speak on these forums, conflict will always happen, sucks, but its just the internet unfortunately
I have had plenty of people on here tell me I am talking crap, they have never met me, ridden with me or been out trail building with me.

Its a bike, ride it, get stoked, park it up, read pinkbike, talk crap on pinkbike because folk from outside the bike industry don't get bikers and our passion for 2 wheels.

If you are ever over in Scotland, come up north and ride, we just love to see folk out shredding the trails.

 The problem with people replying to her comment is that everyone seems to think she was talking directly to you. Her opinion was obviously formed based on some type of experience(s). If you aren't part of the problem why are you triggered by how she feels? Judging by a lot of responses here it seems like some of you are definitely part of the problem. We need more women in the sport for a variety of reasons.

Can we all agree to just hate on fat bikes. This poll proved they are the real thing that pinkbike should be ridiculing.

 @konarider94:
If nobody replies... It's an unaddressed issue.
If people reply... You think they are talking to that person.
Lose, lose or we could just have differences in experiences. (99.9% sure this is the case).
As people we remember the 0.1% bad and dwell on it and forget the 99.9% that was good. It's in our nature. We even do it on the trail! Remember that 1 bad corner on a whole trail. (trail builder here... I go sort it out until all the corners are too easy haha).

If people reply and are d1ks then they might just be different. (Would be boring if we were all the same).

As for fat bikes, it's a bike. Go shred it.

 @betsie: If all you have is a fat bike sure go shred it, but don't go seeking one on purpose if your plan is to shred. Just awful in the corners.

 @konarider94: I have no desire for one, I mostly shred my chillington, mattock, shovel and bucket

... and my Dh bike these days to try and use it over the enduro bike!

 I hope people can see the irony in replies discrediting the stated experience of the original commenter with arguments of inclusivity and safety- while excluding the validity of their comment and likely impacting their sense of safety in posting here by doing so. The argument that we don't know the gender of an individual PB user is also not necessarily valid if they are also commenting on the way dominant forms of masculinity are communicated through the comments (Like how attractive any woman on the site is rather than their skill, assuming that certain woman presenter couldn't decide for themselves how wide their bars should be, the whole Amanda Batty narrative etc.) and make it hard for the feminine to feel heard or seen within that. I know this type of thinking can be categorized in the "participation medal" side of a softening of culture a lot of men respond to negatively, but I also think when we think of this sport that we love, and how we respond to people in our lives that we love of different genders, that making shifts to help others feel welcome and included can broaden our experience and make someone else's better.

 You dont have to read the comments

 @snl1200: Their sense of safety? Safety in anonymously typing words on an internet message board? Has the definition of the word safety changed since I went to school?

 thumbs down trolls don't care about gender imo

 I think Pinkbike does a good job of equal representation, esp when considering their audience is 95% male.

"...the core issue which is that most pinkbike commenters cant handle opinions from women."

I have not witnessed this here, and don't agree it's because we can't handle opinions. Please share freely share your opinions, despite those who disagree or come across unable to handle it.

 @pressurecooker: Keep room for those who are pushing back in disagreement vs offense.

This is the internet, and BIKE internet too–IE not too serious.

 @pressurecooker: I’m guessing most people can see things through others eyes..and then still disagree with them.
It doesn’t help humanity to conjure up cowering “men” needing to be accepted .
Sometimes the best answer to hear is “ don’t like it here ?see ya”
Guys need to be guys SOMEWHERE, even if it’s in make believe bike world.

 @scary1: I think Pinkbike is trying to build an inclusive community, so this won't fly:

"Sometimes the best answer to hear is 'don’t like it here ?see ya'"

I understand the guys need to be guys, and unsure where that is now (lol). I think this place isn't it, despite being predominately (95%) populated by male readership.

 @njcbps: you may be right. I rarely bother coming here anymore because guys aren’t really guys.A lot of them are emasculated brats who embrace this modern phenomenon of being “woke”, over confident and insufferably miserable all of the time.

 @scary1: It's really not a community. It's a portal for trolls. Troll praise started about 2 years after I joined pb. I would see newbies or females being slammed asking questions, looking for help or an answer, someone with some experience could help them with it, but just become attacked instead. It was addressed a while back, but is still going on. I literally have 30 years experience and feel this site is not the site to suggest to someone new to the sport to visit for advice. I don't even bring up pb, we have a local club that will treat someone with respect. And when I post that I did a 400+ foot seated coaster wheelie on my 51st birthday, I get a "Rad" not a slam for being clipped in or riding a 29er hardtail or... This place is the worst

 Summary of this thread ( from my perspective which is the only one that matters...)
1. Don't read or post in the comments if you are: a women, ride a 26er, ride an ebikes, hate bad to awesome puns, are sick of the notoutsideceo bit, easily get offended by keyboard trolls
2. PB commenters are not welcoming to anyone who doesn't go Enduro bro on a mullet. They discriminate equally and get satisfaction from triggering as many of said non- Enduro bros as possible.
3. Those not feeling welcome poke the trolls and are shocked when troll is triggered to be more troll like.
4. The paywall is going to fix this...ok well maybe not.

 @oldschool43: good job on the 400 footer. That’s sweet. I ate 1 dozen donuts on my 51st..

 @TrailFeatures: "Women don't like the sport because it's full of immature cavemen that just want something to ogle on the side of the trail, and get emotional any time women start becoming their true equals in skill or representation."

I'm skeptical of this, and would need to see more data to support it. Maybe it's true.

 If I wanted to ogle girls, there are a hundred places I would go before an MTB spot, where (i) there are barely any girls and (ii) hardly any of the tiny number of said girls are hot enough or dressed in a way that is ogle worthy.
If this was a swimming pool or beach sure I could understand the point. As we're talking about going into the forest in baggy clothes to get covered in mud, not really.

 @pressurecooker: I see what you mean. But this also seems to be at least partly a "you" problem. In lots of your comments you're unncessarily negative, salty and confrontational. Being salty and complaining that people aren't nice to you don't go together well.

 @SimonJaeger: women often say they want equal treatment to men but more often than not it means that men have to maintain a behavior suitable for a woman.

 @blacktea: I don't think anyone would want equal treatment when that means, for example, being headbutted in the face while standing at a bus stop for "looking at me funny".

 @jaame: I understand what @blacktea is saying. There's a push for equal treatment but there are complaints about what that should look like. IE the "boy's club" needs to act a certain way.

The flip side is that some women feel it's beyond "guy banter" and veered into harassment. That's going to be a grey area but I'm all for trying to make this a place that welcomes all.

 @njcbps: you got it !
sorry @jaame, english is not my language and it is possible i cant explain well what i want to say

 @blacktea: I was agreeing with you

 @jaame: I have a guy who I rode bmx with who crashed when I was laughing at another friends joke, he got up and shoved me because he thought I was laughing at his crash. That example reminded me of that hahaha.

 I was totally prepared to call you wrong but I thought about it a little longer and you're kinda not wrong at all!

 Your answer depends how much suspension you think you need.

 @AndrewHornor: underrated.

 (all mountain x trail) / enduro = downcountry

It's math.

 @dllawson819: I have always sucked at math, that's why I say I'm going for a bike ride

 @AndrewHornor: I own a Norco optic and ride in the South coast of BC... I believe in rowdy short travel bikes for all things! I like the pop and fix and shit getting spicy

 @TheBearDen: oh yeah, you're definitely an Entrail rider. I'd be gutted if I'm wrong.

Jokes aside I'd like to try an Optic one time! I'm probably overbiked, riding Allmo-duro on a Rocky Mountain Altitude

 To me, downcountry and trail are more alike. Where enduro and all mountain are a bit gnarlier. And XC is more purely performance related

 enduro 170mm, all mountain 150mm, trail 130mm. 36lbs - 27lbs, aggressive - intermidiate trail conditions

 @Remgir: Yes, I came here to say trail and DC are basically the same thing on slightly different bikes - for me anyway.

 @AndrewHornor: entrail rider? Do mean like the trail Entrails? Or is Entrail two words put together? Like "Enduro-trail"
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Still not sure how to answer you as I'm slightly confused haha but I have ridden entrails a few times but I also like to ride "enduro-trails" haha

 @TheBearDen: haha, yes, I meant Enduro-trail

 Just guys bein' dudes...

 @Kyleponga: fitting...Kyle is the most guy-dude name out there. Don't be such a Kyle, Kyle.

 @Nwilkes: going to go pick up some Monster energy drinks. Y'all want some??

 Ironic the website is called 'pink'bike :0

 @Kyleponga: only if we can swap them for 4 loco

 @VPS13: so colors have implied genders now?

 @Bikerguy13: have you ever bought a toy for a young girl?

 Anyone for sausage?

 @Bikerguy13: this is news to you?

 @VPS13: I mean I wear pink clothes as a guy so…

 @Bikerguy13: I'm not saying its written in stone but society has its conventions such as the classic male babies in blue girls in pink at hospitals. These conventions have morphed into the unbearable trend of gender reveal parties where the two colors continue to signify either gender. I was just making a joke.

 I think the survey would have been more insightful if it asked how many mountain bikes do you have. I have 2 modern mountain bikes, a trail and a DH bike, but I also have a 15 year old commuter bike, my first mountain bike from 1990 that I keep for nostalgia, and a cheep DJ bike from 08 that I use in pump tracks and skate parks with my kids. 5 bikes in total but not 5 of the kind of bikes posters here are thinking about.

 @Poachninja: I forgot to count my kids bikes.

 but...I've heard that N+1!

2x commute-to-school-junk-bikes for the kids
1x kids hacked-overforked-fullsus-shredder
2x fatbikes
2x Ex-XC DC-bikes
2x enduro/trail bikes
2x gravel/CX bikes
1x commuter hardtail
1x 80s road bike that I'm going to restore since about 1991

Disclaimer: only one new bike bought over the last 2 years, only one bike on order for almost 2 years.
No, I'm really thinning out the bike stable. I mean it.

 @Poachninja: are we related?

 Yup:
2 MTB (hardtail and full susser)
2 commuter bikes (one faster one to travel to work a bit quicker though without motor, one heavy beast for shopping, kids to school etc)
1 BMX

I could do without the full susser indeed. I merely keep it as I already have it and to borrow when people come over and want to ride with me.

Which one do you think I shouldn't have?

 Right? What do you even need 5 bikes for?

 5 bikes? Rookie numbers. We gotta pump those numbers up!

 @knutspeed: You're counting all the bikes in your household or are the kids bikes from your own childhood. If I count the bikes of my kids and of my girlfriend, I have to add six more bikes. But I'd say what matters more is how much riding is done per bike. At the end of the day, the bike of mine that sees most riding is the heavy steel commuter with a basket at the front and a rack and double bag at the rear, saddle on the top tube (for one kid), footrests front and rear and a backrest on the backrest on the rack (with a detachable cushion). You just need to go places. You can take the car or choose the bike. I choose the latter but the bike needs to be up to it.

 @vinay: yeah, replying to the "forgot to count my kids bikes". Or, in other words, which bikes do I service and pay for all parts/upgrades...all of them

It's the same here. Longest distance goes to the gravel bike, most hours out - trail bike, most number of rides - commuter, and so on. But they're all fun!

 @Poachninja: Bingo. I've got 4 bikes, but only one mountain bike. (Mountain; gravel; cyclocross; fat).

 @DizzyNinja: we must be!

 @tremeer023:

 I think the number of bikes + age is an interesting statistic. I have 4 bikes currently:
8yo DJer, never sell
6yo steel XC bike, never sell
5yo fixie, never sell
1yo trail bike that replaced a 5yo Enduro bike that I only sold due to flight logistics after an overseas race...

I only bikes that have long term value to me. And I plan to ride until they disintegrate, then replace.

 DH + enduro + trail + E-enduro + road

How could I not have 5? It’s perfection.

 I had four bikes. I sold one after the survey. But I actually only ride one. One is my backup 2014 Norco, and the other is a 1972 cruiser. So, skewed impression from the numbers.

 @rrolly: Nah, the poll specifically asked to include all types of bikes so that's what your getting. The number of bikes doesn't necessarily imply people own several bikes of the same kind. Instead a large number of bikes could imply is active in several different bike sports (DH mtb, BMX flatland, triathlon) where single bike is not fit for all activities and it could also imply the person uses bikes for more than recreation (a fast commuter for work, a heavy cargo bike for shopping, carting kids around etc). An XC racer who uses that one bike merely for sports/recreation and does all other transport by car may indeed own a single bike, but doesn't necessarily have a lower footprint.

Enduro-mtb.com/en does similar polls but asks more specifically what kind of bikes people own.

 Levy must have like 19K alts.

 @brianpark: Where is Levy??

 @bishopsmike: They always be askin "Where is Levy?". But they never ask "How is Levy?".

That being said, I'd suggest inquiring the aliens on his whereabouts.

 @SimonJaeger: I'll do you one better: "Why is Levy?"

 @wpplayer18: "What is Levy??" could be another relevant one to ask.

 @SimonJaeger: Levy is the essence of Pinkbike. Without Levy, there is no way to determine a proper consistent height to perform a huck to flat. Without a huck to flat, there will be no Pole-jokes. Pole-jokes are the heart and soul of the comment section. Also, without Levy, the future of the donuts of this world wouldn't be grim. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you haven't seen Pinkbike yet.

 You may well have a point, however the number of people who own an e-bike and the number of people interested in reading about them may not be the same. I'm guessing there are a fair few folks who are curious and/or would like one but can't afford it and a few more that are just interested in any bike related stuff.

 @catweasel: accurate points. also, they drive clicks. lots of externalities to factor in.

 We have this discussion all the time- wife: You have at least 6 bikes!- me: No I only have 4 bikes. Her: what about the one in the bedroom closet? Me:- OK, 5. Her: the one sitting on the front porch. Me: .. 6. Her: The one with the flat tires on the basement? Me: 7? Her: The old BMX in the guest room? Me: OK, Ok, but I only have 4 bike that were more than 3k. Her: YOUR BIKES WERE MORE THAN 3K -EACH?!

 @chrsei: sounds like you maybe need other hobbies to me

 @chrsei: You have a bike on the front porch? And it's still there?

 "Thats right honey, we can sleep in the living room!"

 Wow, appropriate name lol.

 underrated comment!

 Cameron Vale : I'm one of you.

Benjamin Pierce : You're one of me?

[confused]

Benjamin Pierce : You're one of me?

 Throw another on the barbie

 Did people really expect different gender numbers?

 Senders might be core, but they’re old and male. Look forward to lots of future targeted “articles” like: “we rank the five best saddles for sensitive prostates!” and “Top 10 retirement communities near great trails!”

 @VtVolk: Ha! Another one: "Will viagra show up on anti doping tests?"

 @VtVolk: as a boomer I approve this comment

 @kingbike2: I got you beat I’m 102 but pinkbike would only let me go to 99.

 And yet, here you are.

You’ve made it. You’re on the Team.

 An extremely rare birth defect where you aren't entirely male or female

 @wburnes: Guess intersex sounds more appealing than the scientific term, hermaphrodite.

 Ghost rider?

RIP (the rider in you)

 @Eland: ashes to ashes, dust to down country.

 This was the best thing to come out of this article. Fat bikes are terrible and people need to stop convincing themselves otherwise.

 Judging by the comments I thought the average reader was a teenager

 @kingbike2: me too. It could be that they can't write, or they didn't identify as any of the options.

 @kingbike2: Yup- I am as young as my comments feel!

 articles that represent minority demographics help everyone who uses this site feel included. are you for or against that?

 @mllachance: I'm neither for or against. Total apathy here. Lots of minority groups go under the radar. Just the noisy ones punch above their weight.

 In fairness, their google analytics suggest they get 20pct female readership, the survey will reflect the “active” members who post, comment and participate in surveys.

 @jaame: apathy toward minority groups, interesting. seen quite a few comments like this from you on here before. seems like a lot negative energy directed toward groups of people for someone who is supposedly apathetic

 @mllachance: math is hard

 @mllachance: negative energy directed at moaning c*nts who think the world is out to get them

 @jaame: ayeee

 @jaame: you seem determined to prove them right ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 I get older and the comments here stay the same age...

 @teagues: underrated comment

 I was surprised there are -0.66% over 70yo respondents. A negative percentage is rare.

 @vinay: theywere alive when they took the study ….. sadly by the time it was published

 Why? Why is it seen as a problem that the people who buy, ride, and talk about bikes mostly have penises?
We're all humans FFs!

 @jaame: Bicycling participation and bicycle sales are not a zero sum game. The ultimate goal is to grow the sport and get more people on bikes while also making the sport/culture more inclusive; it's pretty evident that the industry has failed to do this when half the population hardly rides.

 Google analytics suggests that the readership is actually 20 pct female. Active members, who do things like post comments and participate in surveys is 97pct male. I can’t really blame chicks for avoiding internet comment sections, tbh. Maybe they’re just smarter than us dudes.

 @kilgore-trout: they can't make enough bikes as it is. What help is it going to be getting more people into the sport? It's already environmentally irresponsible and unsustainable.
Naked hiking and naked trail running. They are the real growth areas, with naked on-foot commuting a goal for the future.
Sustainable AF.

 Before BMX I rode MTB. I have an MTB background!