Pinkbike Awards: Best Value Product Winner

Dec 18, 2018
by Mike Kazimer  


Determining what constitutes a good value in the world of mountain biking can be a tricky proposition. There's a difference between something offering a good value versus solely being inexpensive; it's a matter of judging a product's price and performance against other options in that category. For instance, a set of $1,000 carbon wheels could be a good value when compared to options that cost three times as much, even though that's still a bunch of money to spend on wheels.

This year, our picks for best value included Marzocchi's Z1 fork, SRAM's NX drivetrain, and OneUp's dropper post.








SRAM's NX drivetrain makes it possible for even more riders to benefit from a wide-range 12-speed cassette, and further solidifies the death of the front derailleur in the mountain bike world. The entire group (shifter, derailleur, cassette, cranks, chainring, and chain) is priced at $375 USD, which is less that than SRAM's top-tier XX1 cassette alone.

Yes, there is a weight penalty, and the gear range isn't quite as wide as the higher end Eagle offerings due to the use of a 11-50 instead of a 10-50-tooth cassette, but that's about it as far as downsides go – the shifting is quick and crisp, with a feel that isn't dramatically different than those pricier options.

There's also the fact that NX Eagle doesn't require an XD driver – the cassette works with either a SRAM or Shimano splined freehub, which means that riders looking to upgrade from a 10- or 11-speed setup won't need to shell out for a new driver body. The launch of NX pushed SRAM even further ahead of Shimano when it comes to offering a complete selection of 12-speed drivetrains, and it's going to be an increasingly common spec choice on entry-level performance mountain bikes next season.

Thanks to its reasonable price and a solid performance out on the trail, SRAM's NX gruppo earns the title of Pinkbike's Best Value Product of the Year.








132 Comments

  • + 126
 You gotta be kidding me... One Up is robbed more than all Rampage victims together...
  • + 111
 OneUp’s dropper post is great (that’s why it was nominated), but the reality is that there are multiple options in that $200 - $250 price bracket that work just as well.

But when it come to a complete 12 speed drivetrain that offers reliable performance, NX takes the win. Do you need 12 speeds? Obviously not, and there will be plenty of people puffing their chests about how they’ve never had a problem with a 36-tooth chainring and an 11-32 cassette, but for many riders that 50-tooth cog is going to be very handy, and the price is going to make it an easy spec choice.
  • + 56
 @mikekazimer: People have different preferences, so let's not get into the perceived advantages of Shimano vs. SRAM shifting. But if you're looking for value and a trouble-free ownership experience, it's hard to argue that NX has anything over an 11-speed SLX drivetrain with close to the same range (11-46 vs 11-50, and yes, that step at the low end on the Shimano is a bit awkward). Street prices on SLX gear are ridiculously low, the derailleur is pretty damn bullet proof, and adjustment is pretty set-and-forget (and requires a lot less fiddling and on-going adjustment).
  • + 14
 @mikekazimer: I am here just for laughs, it is your site you can do whatever you want. I am amused Big Grin

Especially since most of us know that when Shimano will release 12sp SLX (regardless whether it is needed or not) it will come in better quality at lower price... and with a one tooth bigger cassette! Oh the gains!

Cheers!
  • + 1
 Just 12, Come on Mike!!! make those props climb a bit more
  • + 10
 @mikekazimer: I'm not going to get on the hate train here because that's boring. However, I will ask, how many other 200-300 posts work well AND solve any issues with too tall seat tubes? None. OneUp's dropper is so great because of its shiming. You'll never have to worry about not having enough insert bc you can shim it down to what ever your required top out length is.
  • + 18
 @freestyIAM, Bontrager's Line Dropper is the only one that comes to mind, but OneUp offer a wider range of sizes and a lower height inside the frame. The fact that OneUp didn't win this category isn't meant to diminish them in any way - they've put together an excellent product.
  • + 18
 I don't always agree with @mikekazimer but this one is spot on. $375 for a full 12 speed drive? This one's obvious.
  • + 13
 @chriskneeland: It's a boat anchor, and it's the bottom of the barrel in terms of quality. You can get a full Shimano XT drivetrain for less than that.

I'll have to look back in the archives to see if the X3 drivetrain ever won any "best value product" awards, because that's basically what NX is.
  • + 19
 @stevemokan: You need to think outside of your price bracket. Living in a third-world country, with an exchange rate of 40:1 to the US dollar, having the possibility of enjoying a wide range transmission without having to sell a kidney is certainly appealing. I get it, you probably put a XTR drivetrain on your kids' tricycles, but for the rest of the world things are getting steeper. And both the XT and the SLX lack in the total range department.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: wait Mike owns pinkbike!
  • + 8
 the manic x fusion is in the same range and is amazing. sram really cleaned the field this year on affordability and accessibility across multiple platforms.
  • + 8
 @stevemokan: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the trickle down technology from the GX to the NX exceeds what the X3 offered at the time.
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: I had the Z1 as my choice. It's got nothing but amazing reports back on performance and it's a killer fork for the price range... in North America. Especially when you compare it to the FOX/RS forks that it's performing on par or close to with.

But I can't hate on this decision. I had this one as second. The seat post really isn't any cheaper than everything else out there once you put a lever on it. Not evough to call it a bargain over similar products.

Z1 then NX 12 speed.

Like that you had a reason to defend the decision though. Good-on-ya.
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: I think what differentiates OneUp from all the other droppers at its price point is the serviceability but mainly that it is the shortest post you can get at the 150 and 170 drop lengths, has customizable travel, and as a result is way more versatile in terms of frame fit. But eagle does perform well and I get the rationale for its win.
  • + 1
 everyone to their "safe space"
  • + 3
 I’m on the NX eagle and I love it. It’s affordable and works pretty well considering the price point. A few adjustments here and there but it’s not top of the line. I love the 50T cog. I weigh 220 and am on sentinel... big guy big bike. That 50T cog makes climbing SO much better for me. It’s a lot to lug up a mountain and I go to the gym 5 days a week. I think that the NX should be the winner because it makes riding bikes better and in turn more fun. Well deserved.
  • + 1
 @js11: oneup is adjustable and has the lowest stack height of any dropper, so no it is not in the same range
  • + 1
 #RAMPAGED :-(
  • + 6
 @WAKIdesigns:

Especially since most of us know that when Shimano will release 12sp SLX (regardless whether it is needed or not) SRAM will be 4-5 innovations ahead with something that again wins the product of the year everywhere!

Oh the shame!

Cheers
  • + 1
 @glen-allaire: I personally believe Srams drivetrain innovations ended in 2010 with XX1... the best thing they did, that ever happend to mtb drivetrain undoubtedly. I’ll be grateful forever. One up is what is thanks to XX1. Wouldn’t probably exist of XX1 didn’t happen. But Eagle is a laugh and Shimano showed it in their face with 51 tooth.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: And the 12sp SLX will arrive when? 2021?
  • - 1
 Honestly if you need a 12 speed, you're not gonna buy NX. If you just want 12 speed, any 11 speed will be much better value, probably work better and you can get the same range with sunrace... Or at least that's how I woud be thinking. I could just never justify buying this, or putting it on my bike.
  • + 1
 @smoothmoose: who gives a sht. I guess only 12sp people. Until 13sp won’t come.
  • + 7
 rElIaBlE PeRfOrMaNcE
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: did you miss the part where the awards are for products already on the market???
  • + 3
 @mikekazimer: GX 12s is garbage, NX 12s is garbage, there are numerous reports rear derailleurs falling apart in few weeks of usage, not to mention constant fiddling around with settings. My girl is riding 11s GX, never works as it should. My 10s XT is bombproof and cheap. I change cable every few months, and set it up and it just works. I ride more or less daily and I go through at least one cassette and two chains in one year, but rear derailleur just keeps going on. QC in Sram is very bad and if you line up few derailleurs one next to other you would see how quality isn't consistent.
  • - 1
 @dumr666: this award is yet another praise of mediocrity. A more and more common treat in amateur athleticism, boosted by the rise of social media giving the ability to show off you pics 40cm abovethe ground on a table top on a flow line, dressed up like an idiot in contrast color clothing, big helmet and goggles. "I ride downhill" - the 40yr old man hinted at the office party. Participation awards are not enough anymore. People wanted more, the problem is how much more... so they want a level above that, and once they get there they consider it as a great achievement. "I went to Whistler and cleared most of the jumps on A-line" - the 44yr old man hinted to his cycling friends enjoying beverage after a ride. Nobody knows what is what anymore, people too stupid to realize how stupid they are took over and decide what is elite and what is weak. There are pro racers, then there's a grey zone of local fast dudes and below that it's just a fkng mess. Around 2010 we tore down 3 ring chainsets, we realized they were for Joeys. For a brief moment of MTB history with 11sp 10-42 or double chainsets, we knew we can push harder if we only try harder. We can do it. 1x was a Godsend. But being comfortable creeps in everywhere, lazyness is a function of efficiency. In 2016 here we are here gain. Tripple chainset range on a single ring. And people think something changed. You are back to point 0, your chain just doesn't jump off. You just can't muster this bit more persistence, but! Oh you climbed all the way to the top without having a break. And it was steep. I guess things are getting serious...
  • + 3
 @mikekazimer: problem with that statement is that NX doesn't offer reliable performance, yes when it's working it's fine but I work at a bikeshop and it's amazing how many bikes with NX have come back after the mech in particular has basically fallen apart. I wanted to love NX but reliable is something it definitely isn't unfortunately
  • + 3
 @WAKIdesigns: Good thing no one else besides pros and local fast dudes are allowed to have any fun on their bikes
  • + 3
 @cycleco: that is not what I meant. In this sphere due to poliferation of "influencers", trolls like me, lame ass coaches, who can barely bunnyhop, would not get down half of a WC track in one piece, there is a growing sense of "expertize" of that closed off field. Something similar can be seen more clearly in the fitness world. Functional training, yoga, pilates, not to mention fkng crossfit. Suddenly, more "accessible", "more fun" forms of fundamental training schools like power lifting or gymnastics, they start to develop their own "expertize" and try to appear elitist in a sense. People become proud of doing 10 kipping pullups, some lame ass lifts, where number of reps in a particular time frame replace good form at high intensity (like under high load), grow to a new norm to look up to. That is the problem. Poor folks who have access to all those good online resources, practices, are getting derailled into mediocre interpretations. I mean, the expression: "I am good at yoga", "I am good at functional training". What is that?! Exercise being perceived as training. Where is the motivation to dig deeper into the core of excellence, when you are tapped on the shoulder for achieving mediocre results? That's what bloody down country is. That's what Enduro was for a very brief moment before it got professionalized. Why do you think so many stray away from it now? Hype? Oh well as if there was no hype in the grey zone between XC and Enduro. No, folks are scared of being exposed as if therre was any shame in all the life choices they made that led them to this level of riding. How hard can it be to accept: I am not good at something. Why do we take so much effort in introducing such coping mechanisms? And why doesn't it exists in disciplines like BMX, Dirt Jumping, weight lifting, gymnastics? That is because you cannot hide behind some lame ass excuse. You can or you can't do something. Your skill level is up there for everyone to see, instantly, and no real crutches can be introduced. Is 50t bad? hell no, it is a tool. one Up or Wolftooth components would make it, no worries - but making it a worldwide norm? Not only that, making it something to look up to, to strive for? The moment you get into a group that will cheer you for "making that climb" you know people were doing since years, a group that will cheer you for doing negative reps on curls, is the moment you should leave and look up for the better.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I care, but only because that is the signal to buy extra 11sp cassettes and derailleurs for closeout prices. However, Shimano going to 12sp will probably actually work, so it might not be as big of an issue. Still, no need to pay more for silly low gears I don't use.
  • + 52
 Yup, OneUp got robbed. Most riders don't need 12 speeds. Lots of bikes in the $2500-3500 range used to come with GX drivetrains. All the NX does is give those manufacturers an excuse to slap a heavy NX on the same bikes. The loser....us.
  • + 8
 Wow, that’s a super pessimistic way of looking at things. If anything, NX will start showing up on bikes that previously had 11-speed drivetrains. There’s a reason bike companies offer models at a range of price points, and this makes it easier to have 12-speeds on a lower cost bike.
  • + 10
 @mikekazimer: i think the extra weight of NX will negate any so called advantage of 12 speed.
  • + 40
 @jaydawg69: there's a 128 gram difference between an SLX cassette and NX. If that's enough to slow you down, then you're right.
  • + 13
 @mikekazimer: that's actually quite a bit of weight and it's not suspended. I bet the SLX is cheaper and works better. 1/4lb is a 1/4lb.
  • - 2
 @mikekazimer: I agree with you for putting 12sp on lower cost bikes. That is a good thing although I ran 1X11 with no problems. The issue I have is that while it will have 12 speeds you will be locked into NX (or 11sp Shimano) because of the freehub. Since it uses the standard Shimano freehub to upgrade you need to make big changes.
  • + 6
 @mikekazimer: But we are talking about unsprung weight here.
  • + 5
 @mikekazimer: The question is, whether 12 speed cassette are needed at a low price point. Especially when talking about low price bikes, customers tend to prefer a 2x10 setup because 20 gears just sounds cooler than 12.
I myself use a 1x11 Xt setup and whenever non-cycling people in the woods ask me about my bike, the first question is: "How many gears does your bike have?" and then telling them that i got 11, they're always like: "My Bike has 27 gears, so it's better!"

And those people are buyers in the 500€ bike category.
Same goes for eBike People/buyers, which over here in Europe are way more important than people buying low price MTBs.
  • + 19
 For this reason, I think NX Eagle is the worst thing to ever happen to MTB...it's stock equipment on bikes that used to come with SLX or GX, so now you have a horrendously heavy drivetrain prone to going out of adjustment, and even if you wanted to upgrade to better 12 speed parts, you still need an XD driver. All so companies can beat themselves off about offering bikes with the holy godsend EAGLE
  • + 13
 @mikekazimer: I know. That's the problem. Bikes which had perfectly good, easy to run 11 speed drivetrains are rapidly becoming specced with a heavier, more fragile, more high upkeep, and expensive to run option all for a few more cassette teeth. I'd ride GX 11 speed over NX or GX eagle any day
  • + 10
 @mikekazimer: I am in no way a weight weenie, but that is 128 grams of unsprung, rotating weight.
  • + 1
 Or it gives bike companies an excuse to sell bikes at a cheaper price point. Which is a win for consumers. Most riders don't need a dropper that you can shim, and a few other companies sell droppers in the 250$ range, PNW included.
  • + 8
 @mikekazimer: you cant argue with the shimano loyalists, they will be salty till xt 12 speed launches and by then they will need 12 gears.
  • + 9
 @SL13 Totally agree. Three years ago, a 3k bike had GX and a Pike RC with Charger damper. Now you get NX and a Yari. Granted, this low-end stuff works quite well, but it has allowed manufacturers to down-spec their bikes.
  • + 7
 @ReformedRoadie: it’s rotating really close to the axle, though. Less consequential.
  • + 7
 @mikekazimer: my body weight slows me down. If only I came in XTR.
  • + 1
 @swartzwerk: my engine is 1991 Altus.
  • + 6
 @DMal: Yep, NX 12sp/Yari/Level T as OEM spec on a $3k bike is weak AF.
  • + 11
 @mikekazimer:
It´s not pessimistic, it´s realistic.
It´s not only the NX drivetrain.
Fox have released their performance Forks which are nothing but crap and yet these things keep popping up on 7000$ top of the line bikes like the Transition TR11. The Performance 40 has replaced the Boxxer Team on a lot of mid level downhill bikes and Rock Shox has cut the awesome value Boxxer Team completely from the lineup while giving us the RC with an updated Motion Control damper (really?!).
The same goes for the Pike which was an awesome budget fork and apparently it was possible to spec it on even low budget bikes. Enter the Yari. While a more than decent fork in its own right, one has to wonder why they had to release an even cheaper fork. And shortly after its release, the Pikes on lower budget bikes had been replaced by Yaris.
The low budget Fox dampers that try to mimic their top offerings in appearance but are lacking the critical performance features have become a pest on any complete downhill bike below 7000$.
So we´re left with no middle ground options and manufacturers keep speccing these "functional" low budget components up to their mid range and often times even top of the line complete bikes.
You can´t tell me with a straight face there is only value in products like NX.
If they were used for what they are intended to, they would be an awesome option, but in the hands of the bike industry they become little more but a tool to milk every last drop of cash from their customers.

Bikes have gotten A LOT better in recent years and they have become much more affordable, but it seems the times are changing and we are entering another period of poorly specd bikes for anyone not willing to spend big money on high end offerings.
Think about it.
A few years ago we were offered a YT Tues for around 3000€/$ with nothing but the best parts the market had to offer. Now the 4000€ entry option only comes with crappy suspension.
And while the Tues AL seems like a good deal at first sight, again the components are nothing compared to what was offered in years prior.
Low to mid budget bikes are no longer about performance, they have become all about numbers and looks to lure in the uneducated masses and cut costs at the same time.
  • + 0
 @Loki87: speak with your wallet then a dont buy one
  • + 3
 @Tr011:
Not sure what that has to do with anything as that´s exactly what i have done in recent years.
At some point anyone needs/wants to get something new though, so you can only draw it out for so long.
  • + 5
 @Tr011: Thats a pretty retarded statement, maybe he wants to buy a decent bike in the mid range but they come with shite components now ?
  • - 2
 @zyoungson: dont cheap out a get good parts then, I didnt compromise and I couldnt be happier
  • + 6
 @Tr011: Not everyone's made of money. Mid range bikes are now coming with entry level parts, and it sucks.
  • + 2
 @Loki87: preach brother
  • + 25
 Surprising. A One Up dropper makes nearly every aspect of riding better. At the penalty of a considerable amount of additional weight and the complexity/care that has to be put into keeping a 12 speed drivetrain working properly, I don’t see any value over an 11 speed.
  • - 6
flag dkidd (Dec 18, 2018 at 8:33) (Below Threshold)
 If you ride Eagle for a while and try going back to 11spd, you'll know why this is product of the year. Eagle objectively shifts better at almost any level.
  • + 2
 @dkidd: I have ridden XO1 eagle, but not NX. Maybe it’s because I rode a 11-36 10 speed with a 34t chainring forever, but 11 speed is all I will ever need. I found 12 speed to be slower overall due to the extra time it took to shift through gears to get where I wanted to be. And snagging the derailleur on rocks was always a huge concern.
  • + 9
 There must be a veloluminati rule that the maximum number of gears a rider thinks he needs is one more than when he started riding. I remember the move to 8-speed and the whining that accompanied it. Likewise 9-speed, 10-speed and 11-speed. Now we hear the same thing about 12-speed.

7-speed, 26" wheels and quick-release dropper post forever!
  • + 2
 @dkidd: you ever tried the XTR 985? Best Shift feeling i've ever expierenced.
  • + 4
 @dkidd: I put a 46t cassette on my bike and did not like it. Went back to 40t. No, it wasn’t Eagle but it could well have been.
Just wanted to point out not everyone wants or needs Eagle.
Indeed I actually don’t need 11 gears, I’d be very happy to try 7 or 8 with a 11-40 spread. I’m tryna DIY it, gonna call it Wren. Make a cool 20 dollar or so then I’m off to buy myself 3 beers. Job done.
  • + 3
 Absolute crap. XO1 11spd is by far the best shifting, durable, least required maintenance, SRAM groupset yet produced. Eagle doesn't come close.

The only thing special about Eagle is the chain. BTW they work very well on 11spd XO1/XX1.
  • + 1
 @Mocope: that was also the best shifting setup I ever had. Used a One Upped Saint mech (best mech ever built) funnily enough. I should have never changed it.
  • + 2
 @SUMMITrider1: "The extra time it took to shift gears" Confirmed never ridden a 12sp system.. The cogs are close together and the chain is narrower, additionally the jump is smaller and the shifting more precise.

I love how versatile X01 12sp is. I can ride the bike absolutely anywhere in the country with a 36t in the front without having to worry about my gearing..
  • + 2
 @Randomacity I know all about the spacing. Assume all you want, but I’m not talking about actual time per shift. It does however, take me longer to get where I want to be due to an extra gear to shift through as the range is much larger.

It might be more precise due to those smaller jumps, but that’s not necessarily a good thing. That requires the derailleur and hanger to be nearly spot on to ensure perfect performance. When you consider how long the derailleur cage is, who the NX drivetrain is marketed for/what bikes it will be spec’d on, there’s no way that it will keep running smoothly. I would bet they actually end up requiring more tuning to keep people happy.
  • + 1
 @SUMMITrider1: What? This makes no sense. All SRAM Eagle Cassettes are essentially just a 10-42 with a 50t added at the top end. There's no 'extra shifting' unless you're shifting into your 50, which you wouldn't even have on an 11sp system.

Also, you can say your other point about literally any sub $400 drivetrain(SLX, Deore, NX). The way people use or beat up mid/lower range drivetrains is no different for Sram/Shimano.
  • + 1
 There are plenty of droppers in the same price point of the OneUp that work just as well. There are not any other 12 speed drive trains at the same price of NX. Makes sense why they would have chosen this over the dropper.
  • + 1
 @butters1996: the thing is nx is awful plastic cheapest quality possible while trying to do what a high end group set does. give it a few seasons of mud and grime then see how it performs
  • + 1
 @igxqrrl: I would love an 8 speed, with decent range.
So yes. You are right.
  • + 1
 @IntoTheEverflow: there's one from Sram called EX with 11-48
  • + 1
 @Mocope: Thanks!
But it is meant for e-bikes.
And very expensive....
  • + 1
 @IntoTheEverflow:
It is indeed very expensive and the gear steps are made to work best with Bosch's bike motor, nevertheless i think i'd would work fine with a normal crankset.
I myself never have liked the EX because even on an eBike the steps are too big and you're always missing a gear. A normal 11-42 sram 11x has worked best for me so far.
  • + 23
 I am perplexed by the fixation over 12 speeds. Our shop has had nothing but trouble with NX on customers bikes. I just ditched all the NX parts that came with my EP purchased bike and used my one-season-old M8000/ethirteen cassette drivetrain. Range is range, if anything, I prefer the fewer gears that are less sensitive to adjustment. There is no advantage to 12 speeds unless the range is diminished. Everybody knows there are tons of great 11sp options with large ranges out there.
  • - 4
flag Tr011 (Dec 18, 2018 at 19:12) (Below Threshold)
 maybe you need better techs, the wide range 11 speed stuff is total crap and is only compounded by a sub par shimano groupset
  • + 23
 A budget drivetrain with an additional gear. Not exactly best value. While this wins the Manitou Mattoc offers performance of top end forks & can be found for half the price which is great value for money. Of the nominations the Oneup dropper is perhaps the best as it brought good performance, the lowest possible dropper length available all in a relatively inexpensive package.
  • + 20
 First there was Norbs, then there was Brendog, now there is OneUp #robbed
  • + 6
 But Norbs and Brendog lost to competition with their peers. Sram can just spend more. That's a big part of this whole charade.
  • + 14
 Have both. Shimano SLX 11-46 and NX Eagle. Will choose Shimano anytime. NX is far inferior in tough muddy conditions.
  • + 10
 So, it's not "cool" and independent, and y'know, everyone loves to hate on SRAM, but this will be fitted on less expensive bikes that are more likely to be ridden by noobs. They'll appreciate the extra gear range, and not dying on the climbs might make a difference to whether they stay in the sport. So for that I say fair enough PB.
  • + 0
 Or don't die on climbs by running a 2X or 3X setup and getting an even wider gear range. Oh wait, this SRAM setup "helped kill" those drivetrains, essentially creating the problem that it tries to solve....
  • + 4
 Or don't die on climbs because your bike is a tank with all these unnecessary and heavy parts. Noobs don't don't even know which side the front brake is on....they sure as heck aren't staying in the sport due to 11 vs 12 speeds
  • + 1
 @marky-d: TBH, 2x (do they still make 3x?) is pretty unsuitable for noobs - how many times have you seen crossed chains?... And more things to adjust and go wrong.
  • + 3
 @mountainsofsussex:
Actually, cross chaining doesn't seem to be a big problem with 2x. Only on the 2 most extreme positions do I slightly hear my drivetrain. On the other 20 positions I find nothing wrong. Maybe chainwear will punish me soon, but with the prices of normal weight 12 speed chains and cassettes, I can afford to buy an extra 11 speed SLX set once every few years.
  • + 8
 I can't believe they didn't choose the Trust Performance Message fork! Show me a cheaper linkage fork, I dare you, clearly best value.
  • + 5
 In my opinion, the oneup dropper has more value than similar priced posts because of the low stack height. NX would have a lot more value if it had a 10t with xD. The 11t reduces the range and makes it comparable to the Shimano 11 speed stuff.
  • + 8
 I'd rather ride higher priced 11spd than low cost 12spd.
  • + 4
 SRCAM !! Another NX VICTIM here. Lasted about 4 weeks then self imploded. No, not a classic JRA after a rock or stick went through it - a pure self implosion on some rocky terrain. Like the Guide Ts the NX shouldn't even be allowed to be sold yet alone be awarded a prize. Classic PinkBike stitch up !
  • + 5
 I can't believe _______ won. I bought ________ for super cheap on _______ and I can objectively say I think it's better. -Pinkbike Mad Libs
  • + 2
 boogers. poop. your mom's house
  • + 5
 Haha, Obviously One Up should have won. You would have 2 be a seriously biased, manufacturer influenced SRAM fanboy 2 think otherwise. (Thanks Mike Sramzimer)
  • + 3
 The value of an NX vs an SLX is very negligible. The value of the OneUp dropper compared to others is pretty large. This should have been a clear victory for the OneUp, but PB made a business decision to make SRAM happy, and that’s that.
  • + 3
 My latest bike came equipped with NX (11-speed). It died on the second day in the bike park. That crappy clutch just couldn't take the beatings. Wouldn't recommend NX to anyone.
  • + 5
 *This paid advertisement brought to you by SRAM.
  • + 1
 I had an XTR drivetrain, everything but the cranks and chain ring...I loved it. It was $500

I put the NX on my friends bike, everything but the cranks and the chain ring and I have to be honest, It shifts better then my XTR. It's a little heavier, and who knows how it will be 2 years from now, BUT for my friend who has a budget, at $275 for all that is awesome.
I have the Sram GX on my new bike and it has been flawless for the past 2 seasons, and it to is smoother then my XTR.
  • + 1
 A SRAM product taking the prize on a SRAM sponsored site. Can't say I'm surprised. LoL

I voted for the Zochi, but had the 1^ dropper a very close 2nd. SRAM is bin material for me.

Shimano may be slow with the 12spd but when they have a full stack good luck SRAM. I don't think I'll ever need 12 vears but hey... Progress. Right?
  • + 1
 Looks like Marzocchi is headed in the right direction. The dropper seems like a decent option at its price point. A 12 speed 11-50 tooth cassette sounds completely unnecessary, I’m hiking if I’m going slow enough to use the 36 tooth cog.
  • + 1
 That was not my choice, as I am still skeptical about 12 gears durability. 11 speed transmission have shown strong performance in long period of use. And the 12 gears I have in hand showed quickly gears rattling.
To get a good comparison, you guys @ Pinkbike, did you have chance to ride the Sunrace groupset? You can find the transmission for around 200€, it would be interesting if they do the job as well as this NX groupset.
  • + 1
 I agree. Thinking about new riders, being able to get 1x12 out of the box at a price they can afford is a huge advantage. I can't believe how many $3000-5000 bikes I've seen specc'ed with an awful gear range that makes climbing miserable. Thank you for trickling 12 speed down so quickly sram.
  • - 3
 No, the fact that it is not 15 speed makes your comment invalid. 12 speed is for sheep on too short bikes with too slack seat angles. It is time for the industry to step up to the needs of the modern mountain bikers.
  • + 15
 Sunrace make an 11-50 11-speed cassette that weighs ~100g less than the NX eagle cassette, costs about the same, and is backwards compatible with existing 11-speed drivetrains.

That would be vastly better value for new riders.
  • + 9
 The problem is that companies are getting away with NX spec on $3-5000 bikes. I'm not a newbie that needs a cheap eagle drivetrain, and that price range is not for newbies. But possibly more annoying is brakes in that range. Seems like big brands can't spec decent brakes until you are over 5k. Consumer direct is winning.
  • + 2
 @JCO: To the best of my knowledge, there's no 11s RD out there designed to go over a 50t cog. Exceeding the capacity of your derailleur offers no value to anyone.
  • + 1
 I remember how people laughed at tripple chainrings. Well... 10-50 is just as lame. 2x drivetrains were an answer to unnecessarily big range and to simplify things. And they were widely embraced by almost everybody, from racers to amateurs. Tripple chainsets became identification signs for Joeys. Even XCers were saying it. A tripple = dork. Then 10-42 came limiting the range of most 2x drivetrains a tiny bit. So people were parted on it. It took Shimano loads of time to get into 11sp. Then Sram came out with the lame tripple chainset rangeon one ring. You see Spec E29 with Eagle and 30 tooth chainring as stock!!! is It just takes a certain kind of blindness not to see it. a 30t-50t is a lighter gear than 8sp 22t to 34t! Downhillers used to use 36t front to 11t rear. Suddenly Joe blow needs harder gear. The very same dude who needs high cadence on upper side of things. It's just plain silly and time will show that 10-42. 11-46 is already plenty of range. I will not be surprised if Shimano athletes will use 11sp 10-46 XTRs instead of 12sp 10-51. I love that thing with 51 over 50. I just want to high five the product manager who came up with that. Please PM me if you are reading this. Whoever you are. You are a genius and you have a sense of humor
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: True story; 11s XX1 is quite a bit lighter than 12s XX1 and 10-42 offers plenty of range for XC racing. Sponsored pros are probably required to run the most current equipment, otherwise things might play out as you suggest.
  • + 1
 @fullfacemike: that story's actually not true at all.
  • + 1
 @thegoodflow: Very true story; I just went through this for my XC bike for this coming season. I don't have all the specs handy but the cassette, shifter, and RD alone are about 170g/6oz lighter in 11s than in 12s.
  • + 2
 @thegoodflow: no, Nino only won most of his titles on 10-42. It’s a discussion to have in a year time when we’ll see what XTR equipped pros will be running 11sp 10-46 or 12sp 10-51.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Honestly dont know why you have it in for wide range gearing, 50t is great being able to click in to a low gear and cruise up a steep section without busting your arse, or sitting next to someone and talking on a climb. Agree nx eagle is a waste of time, aside from maybe the cassette, it looks like plastic shite, and only the worst low spec bikes came with it in 11spd. If sram could improve on anything it would be gear ratios, b/c 42,50t is an annoying jump, you are either spinning slightly in 50t or pushing too hard in 42, reason why shimano went 46-51, its to do with how the chain moves over the cassette. even some of the chinese cassettes go 46-51 so there must be something to it, go look on aliexpress there is some interesting shit there.
  • + 5
 I have it for 50t cassettes because of 12sp. 11sp is already too much for me. 10sp is no longer available in maost iterations. Luckily, I got a hold of unused Sram x-9 type 2. My 11sp XTR cassette is going to be worn out soon. I will sell the whole drivetrain and buy Sunrace 10sp 11-42. There is a huge dosage of freedom and confidence building in shutting down all “if I only had X thing now” and just pedalling. I also have it for stupid wide range because praising it as a great development is a praise of mediocrity. Call me elitist and pretentious, but I am above that and work hard to be able to push those climbs on what most people consider “hard gearing”. A pace of 24t granny to 34 which nearly equals 34 to 50 is a pace of 65 year old man running up a medium grade hill or 40yr old hiker walking up a fireroad. I know, I’ve been passed by them when I still owned the 2x9 drivetrain and cranked it up. Ever since I dropped the front mech my fitness went up. It had to. 10sp 1x drivetrain is one of the best things that happened to mtb me, because what kind of a man it made me to. Those 2 teeth from 34 to 36. That bit of: you can do it. Sure it’s comfier on 11-40. Especially now that I need 2ply tyres for real mountains. But when I am there in the middle of a 1,5h - 2h climb? I just have to turn of the btch mode and crank. And I come out with decent pace.

So in a way, I laugh at this award because it is a praise of mediocrity
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns:
2 hours climb at 400w on a single speed
You the man
  • + 1
 @glen-allaire: who talked about a single speed? Smile
  • + 1
 Wolftooth Components seat clamp should have won, they have truly perfected that little but important part and for perfection, $25 is totally justified. And it comes in 8 colors so PB should make a mini field test on them to see which color is lighter, stronger and makes you faster!

NX - no thank you, I happily stick with my XT 2x till next gen XT arrives.

Attention Shimano, you really need to step up the r & d on next gen XT! Don’t leave us XT stalwarts behind!
  • + 1
 NX is trash, I work demo and every single bike with nx had issues. none of them would shift down from the fifty unless the B was smashing the cassette... GX has loads more value for the money
  • + 1
 My wife has loved this drivetrain. IT's crazy to think that only a few years ago something like this was so very far out of our price range. The NX has been a superstar in the 6 months we've been using it.
  • + 3
 It's a shame NX is such rubbish build quality. I've seen exploding parts, left right and centre
  • + 1
 Sram is utter garbage. Works great for a week then start breaking components. 10 speed setup for me next. Garbaruk 11-45 and shimano slx/xt stuff is lighter than xo1 eagle and less expensive than gx eagle.
  • + 1
 Wow there is a lot of hate towards NX Eek yes the OneUp dropper is nice but there’s already a million other droppers around the 200-300 dollar range
  • + 1
 Long term Chris King are the best value. My 10 year old bb is still going strong with the original bearings
  • + 1
 #waitforshimano #12speedwithawarranty #deathbeforedub #earlymarketsharepirates
  • + 1
 1. Agree. 2. Agree. 3. Done, enjoying life after death now. 4. Wonder what will happen if/when Shimano finally present their next gen XT and SLX? A hostile takeover by SRAM?
  • + 1
 Can someone explain the hype over the oneup dropper to me?
  • + 1
 Not much of best value, 12speed is for sheep? Baaa baa
  • + 1
 This is a clear business-led decision; One Up got robbed.
  • + 0
 I'm filing this under "Don't care" Call me old but I love my XT 2x11 drive train. No need to jump on the 1x bandwagon.
  • + 4
 The gearing is great but I had a dropped chain every other ride ride with a 2x drive.
  • + 2
 this is SRAM spam.
  • + 0
 How exciting
  • - 3
 Get fucked SRAM.

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