Pinkbike Awards: Suspension Product of the Year

Jan 8, 2015
by Mike Levy  
It's funny how today's high-end suspension is able to make what we thought was amazing just a few years ago feel decidedly unrefined. That's especially true when talking about forks, particularly those in the mid-travel bracket. The top manufacturers are now offering incredible performance in relatively lightweight packages for the front of your all-mountain and trail bikes, with FOX's fresh 36 and Manitou's new Mattoc as key examples, while the latest Charger equipped BoXXer (which was also nominated this year) can trace a lot of its qualities back to last year's winner, the Pike. The sole nominee for out back is Cane Creek's DBinline, a shock that looks to bring the company's wide adjustment range and distinctive feel to lighter duty trail bikes. Enough build up, though, because it's time to pick a winner.

Pinkbike MTB Awards
Suspension Product of the Year


FOX 36 160 FIT RC2


FOX 36 160 FIT RC2


This year's award for Pinkbike's Suspension Product of the Year goes to the FOX 36 160 FIT RC2. Yes, it looks a lot like the 36 that came before it, but don't be fooled - this is an entirely new animal that is every bit as capable out of the box as last year's Suspension Product of the Year winner, but with more external and internal adjustments that allow a savvy rider to tune the fork exactly to their liking.

It would have been easy to discount FOX in 2014 given a few missteps on their part over the previous years and competitors that raised the bar during that time. It's probably fair to say that many riders did exactly that, and I'll even admit to not expecting much myself. That is, until late in 2013 when I rode a RAD-spec 34 fork, something usually reserved for Gwin and company, that made it very clear FOX was working non-stop to rebound in a big way. And did they ever. I got my first sampling of the new 36 160 FIT RC2 fork in May of this year when I traveled to Moab for the launch, but this get together was a little different than other countless product debuts I've attended: FOX told me to bring my own bike - a Knolly Warden with a Pike up front - so as to be able to compare apples to apples. Such was their confidence that FOX wanted their new 36 to be ridden back-to-back against the Pike, no holds barred, which is exactly what I did. The result? ''The new 36 equals the Pike on all fronts, at least in my mind, and while the basic layout of their FIT cartridge and appearance of the fork remains the same, they've obviously made huge strides in the execution of both,'' were my thoughts at the time.

Jared Graves Yeti SB6C Photo by Fraser Britton
The 36 160 FIT RC2 takes the 2014 Suspension Product of the Year honors, but I've also ridden both a 2015 version of the same fork and the RAD 36 on the front of Jared Graves' Yeti SB6c race bike that spawned it - things are going to get even better in the near future, despite the already mind blowing performance of the 2014 fork. Photo Fraser Britton


I've since spent much more time on a handful of other 2014 36s, with all of them not just reinforcing that initial impression from earlier in the year, but also convincing me that the new 36 160 FIT RC2 is the best mid-travel fork on the market. It doesn't only come down to the fork's impressive action, though, because FOX has also listened to those riders who were asking for both more adjustability and more options. Performance aside, it's the 36's level of adjustability that sees it stand out in my mind. You've got the same low and high speed compression, and low-speed rebound adjusments that FOX has long offered, but there's also the ability to change the fork's travel to five different positions in 10mm increments by adding aluminum spacers to the underside of the negative spring plate, as well as being able to tinker with volume tuning spacers. Oh yeah, you can also run either a 15mm or 20mm hub thanks to the 36's axle adapters.
bigquotesThis low-speed control, paired with the excellent spring rate, added up to what I like to call "invisible suspension." What am I talking about? It's a reference to when something simply works so well that you no longer register it during the ride, a sign that you've got a dialed setup going on. - Pinkbike, May 27th, 2014


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319 Comments

  • 379 70
 I wonder how much $$ Fox had to shell out for this ad, I mean award.
  • 111 165
flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 8, 2015 at 6:31) (Below Threshold)
 Can you draw up a theory how such arrangement could be made? How could Fox steer Pinkbike to win the award? How much do you think Fox sales will go up now after winning this?
  • 102 17
 Are you familiar with the PR/marketing industry?
  • 52 19
 I don't think that Fox actually spent money to win some award nobody cares about but drawing up a theory to how it could have went down is pretty easy. Pinkbike cold calls companies and asks if they would be willing to pay to have their company win one of their yearly product awards. Just that simple.
  • 37 2
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  • 72 21
 I just can't trust PB anymore.... this years awards have shown how out of touch they really are.
  • 77 7
 Its kinda BS in my book - How can the 2015 product of the year, just only 'equal' the 2014 product of the year, and only at a higher price point? Imagine the new if the 2014 Ford Focus was vastly inferior to the 2014 VW Golf, but in 2015 they matched the 2014 Golf. It wouldn't exactly be candidate for taking the Car of the Year Award, now would it? CCDB inline is more revolutionary in my book.

No, what we're seeing here is after having given the 2014 a poor review, resulting in Fox having a bad year for incremental yoy fork sales, PB is making the most of the opportunity to get back on the top of Fox's preferred list of advertising partners.

But in any case, this is how this nice website is funded, and we all love reading about the new and shiny, so lets just suck it up, and move on.
  • 37 53
flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 8, 2015 at 6:58) (Below Threshold)
 Regndunlop - i kind of work in it, I make people feel good about our projects so that office wins competitions, or clients to buy houses or apartments. Psychology and PR are my prime interests after bikes.

Laynehip - please take a moment to inagine and visualize such situation when you are calling someone at Fox with such offer. Let's play, I will be a PR person at

Fox: Hello? this is Alicia Forsythe at Fox how can I help you?
  • 49 8
 Pinkbike: Hi This is pinkbike give me monies and we will make your product number one, we have already called several other companies with the same offer.
  • 21 3
 The agreements people are referencing are common place. Companies establish relationships with publishers, get real comfy, and make sure to always bring the journalists to good places for testing, and before you know it they are in bed together. That said, I am not convinced that happened here. From what I hear the 36 deservesbthis. Still, I am pretty frustrated that ctd got good reviews from pb every time they revamped it, only to have the reveiwer admit it was crap when they review what comes out next.
  • 8 3
 Take note CEOs of small companies it's not how good your product is, it's what you spend in marketing to tell people how good it is.
r & d budgets marketing budget.
  • 22 6
 @WAKIdesigns
Hi Alicia, nice to talk to you again.
As you know we are doing our yearly Suspension Product of the Year award and we have been soliciting...well...let us call them "incentives" for the opportunity for one of your selected products to be named this years winner.
Now Alicia, I know what you are going to say, "Manitou is just going to outbid us again and we will have to spend the next month getting ribbed by them", but I can assure you that we are giving Fox first priority and will only solicit another company if you decide to refuse our offer.
  • 7 1
 Wait. Pb said ctd wallowed. I looked it up. I sit in my arm chair corrected. I mean they sait it nicely, and with an apologist from fox saying to just put more air in it, but they said it if you read between the lines.
  • 13 1
 It doesn't have to be about money, mostly it's about other "interests".
For example, Fox could have promised to have more banners and commercials on pinkbike, or to send them more equipment, etc.
The same applies to every magazine out there, just look at Dirt and their favourite make YT, who just happens to have tons of commercials in every magazine.

But to say this happened here, or happened at Dirt or any other magazine would be speculation!
I'm pretty sure this happens a lot, but that's how this business runs, and even though I don't agree with this award at all, I don't really care, and pinkbike has a lot of good articles and features, so as long as nobody has proof, I would really hold back with any accusations!
  • 1 0
 haha Patrick942 give monies to PB to make it number one and I have contacted other companies? Really? A company falling for that line would soon be out of business. So I guess we should say - Good luck Fox!!
  • 7 3
 We will just never know. What we do know is that the fork is pretty lackluster and boring. Bring back the Super Monster T or a transclucent fork filled with glow in the dark goo and I will be interested.
  • 35 24
 Hello Layne - this is highly unprofessional and outrageous. If it is a joke it is not funny. We are a serious company standing by our excellent top performing products we do not need such publicity and we despise such practices. If this would come out you would be out of business by loosing all credibility therefore I suggest you hang up immediately to take a week out of the office to get yourself together. I will speak to your supervisor about it as in te name of the whole company I feel deeply offended by your proposal. We will think about what consequences will it have on our advertising contract. Bye
  • 41 6
 Have any of you nay-sayers ridden the new 36?
  • 14 12
 I'm pretty sure the rockshox pike and boxxer have made people turn their heads more than 36 floats. Zzzzz
  • 34 3
 @WAKIdesigns its a lost cause. Logic, reasoning, and real world examples don't belong on the internet.
  • 16 9
 @WAKIdesigns
Haha! Good one Alice, you almost had me going there. Next thing you will tell me that R2D2 really does prefer Pepsi over Coke, haha!
Anyway, if you could put me through to the owner of your "serious company standing by your excellent top preforming products" I can get on with making fun of his golf game and then collect the cheque for this advertisement.
  • 21 16
 R2D2 surely likes Pepsi at first taste in small amounts, and prefers Coke if he was to drink more of it, here's why I-phone hippies educating parents and kids how much sugar is in Coke, should have picked Pepsi instead, because there is more of it in it. Or? Were I-hippies paid by Pepsi? Enemy is everywhere! It's all lies! We will never know. Such mentality makes awesome secret Police officers... they are doing it wrong anyways because artificial sweeteners in Light; Zero or Life are way more harming. You can't handle the truth!!!
  • 119 15
 These conspiracy theories are hilarious. How many of you have spent time on the new 36? It's a freakin' amazing fork - seriously. Its performance is on par with the Pike, with more external adjustability and the ability to run a 15 or 20mm thru axle. Why would a product like that not make sense as suspension product of the year? Feel free to suggest other options, but out of everything we spent time on this year, the 36 ended up on top. This isn't an ad of any sort, merely a way to recognize a product that performs incredibly well.
  • 17 23
flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 8, 2015 at 8:40) (Below Threshold)
 Is it just me hearing the music from James Bond when reading such conspiracy theories?
  • 19 1
 I think the Girwin Flex Stem should take the award personally. It performs as well as XXYZX forks from the Bullet Bros
  • 15 8
 @mikekazimer I have and it was nice but it seems to me that you need a factory race mechanic for how much maintenance they need... I switched to the pike and love it imo the pike is way better fork than the new 36.
  • 13 5
 mikekazimer, yeah great: Then with only minutes to spare in my next enduro event I get a front flat and have to fumble about with allen bolts to get that f~ing stupid axle mount apart to get the wheel off.............
  • 8 36
flag guataisi (Jan 8, 2015 at 8:56) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer
yeah it's really hilarious (and pathetic) to see how you manipulate comments here.
Mike, please stop treating us just like idiots, and stop manipulating comments by giving positive or negative props as appropriate. I thought PB was a Canada-based company, but now it seems you have opened a branch in some Communist dictatorship.
  • 22 5
 @lsmillie - What type of maintenance were you needing to perform? FOX suggests servicing the new 36 once a year, or every 125 hours, which are very reasonable intervals. I've been riding one through sloppy, muddy conditions for the last few months without any issues. And @gavlaa, don't forget about the Halson inverted fork. I think that was around the same era.
  • 7 1
 Conspiracy does exist.. But I really don't think it is the case here... C'mon kids!
  • 4 0
 Just put boxxer lowers on the pike, then you have your thru axle. the compression adjustments are cool though...
  • 3 2
 Or lyrik or Domain lowers. They are all the same. RS should sell these. Of course then you have the 650b and 29er compatibility problem. How does RS not have a 650b lyrik? New lowers and plug in the charger damper and done. Come on RS! Get the 2015 fork of the year!
  • 8 3
 It's really not a conspiracy, it's just marketing! not very clever marketing, but it is marketing. the shit stirring also goes up 200% in the winter time, as there is less usually less "experience" and current "visual" content produced.

for the validity of this argument though, the Pike is less adjustable because it doesn't need it, same with the boxxer. I was a non believer until I got a charger damper. It is actually that good. more adjustments in general isn't always usefull.
  • 4 5
 why does it have to be a "conspiracy," let alone an explicit (phone call) one? Analogizing to the recent global economic meltdown, we saw how the external auditors (accountants) allegedly doing object analyses of their (bankster) clients' accounts found exactly, and only, what their high-paying clients wanted them to find. As someone once said (I may be paraphrasing): "it's hard to get someone to see something if his livelihood depends on him not seeing it." So what we have here is someone (PB) paid (via advertising revenue) incented to look (most) favorably on it's highest-paying clients. No conspiracy needed. Might not even be conscious. Nonetheless, obvious to many others and totally bogus.
  • 4 3
 Ya especially when I know there bad I myself have had to send them away and the shop I work at we had to send four of them away for warrenty although when they are working they feel great
  • 9 2
 I demo'd a sh!t-ton of bike at Outerbike, and the biggest take away was how freakin' good the new 36 was...it is a fair winner.
  • 14 11
 Seems most people agree the Fox 34 is crap. I bought one for a friend in Europe and I cringed when I tried the fork before shipping it to him. Absolutely horrible. So, no doubt PB gave it a bad review, right? Brace yourselves for a shock, because PB loved it!! www.pinkbike.com/news/Riding-FOXs-RAD-34-Fork.html. These reviews have become meaningless in their homogenous love for every product they review
  • 34 0
 Can someone put Alicia back on the phone? I like her sassy business-first attitude, like a hot librarian. Total turn-on.
  • 16 2
 @VelkePivo, that link goes to an article about FOX's RAD 34 - definitely not the same fork as the one that had issues, issues which we clearly mentioned on numerous occasions.
  • 9 6
 @VelkePivo Absolutely correct. That was what i was getting at with my comment about the company treating the journalists well and having personal relationships. There is a reason the new product launches involve days of awesome riding in great places. Nobody wants to knock the guys who they made friends with at that launch over the weekend.
Journalists have to be very careful. They are accountable to the readers, not their friends (real friends) in the industry. That doesn't mean the journalists are intentionally dishonest, but they might pull punches on a crappy product. Example: the Commencal Hiphop got a luke warm review full of words like "we like" and "shredder" and yet reading between the lines clearly it was not a good bike for the money. Why didn't the journaist come out and say it sucked?
  • 16 2
 seriously, mike. how do you do it? i wouldn't be able to respond after one post! you are a patient human. that or your coffee is lit. in which case...props.
  • 6 0
 Apologies for citing to the wrong review.
  • 5 1
 Shoot outs would be one step towards more credibility.
  • 4 2
 @mikekazimer It is obvious that PB is not always objective. So what should make PB users think that this is not an occasional objective "moment"?
  • 1 0
 Money shelled depends on how many clicks do you spend bitching about it. But, yes, I never assume that any review or award of this type is not payola. That is a fact of life. But that does not mean it is a lie, or that it is a bad fork. Still a worthy read of a review.
  • 8 1
 @mikekazimer I think the 36 truly deserved the nomination, as it brings pike performance with more adjustability and every intenetbikers favorite axel-option. But it's not like it offers something radically different is it. You get most of the adjustments with the pike as well, and you can change the stroke length replacing the airshaft.

The DB-inline on the other hand offers piggy-back shock performance in a XC-damper package. Now that is a big thing to me. not only does the Inline fit most bikes designed for a regular inline shock, it's also only around 100g heavier than a standard Fox CTD.
Bringing big bike shock performance to trailbikes is something new, bringing pike performance to the same bike in a slightly different package is just more of the same.

From your intro:
"It's funny how today's high-end suspension is able to make what we thought was amazing just a few years ago feel decidedly unrefined."

How can you wright that and not give the Inline the award?!?
  • 15 2
 @eldsvada: It comes down to reliability. We've had issues with a few InLines that were on test bikes, which is why it didn't win this award. That being said, when it's working properly the Inline is an incredible shock.
  • 3 1
 For the conspiracists: The pb mtb award icon is gold, just like the 36's stanchions...coincidence? I think not! But on a serious note, I would love to get off my ancient pike and onto this new rig. from everything I have heard and read, it sounds amazing.
  • 5 1
 Ok.. Two things keep a site like this alive.. Page views and ad dollars. If it was found out this conspiracy theory was true, would you still come here? Would advertisers want to spend money on a site with no readers?

Granted, a lot of reviews may suger coat the bad news as to not piss off advertisers. Sadly, it's the way of the world.

To me, this theory is cooked up by some Pike owners that can't accept that the Fox might actually be a little better.
  • 13 11
 I'm tired of PIKE mafia!
  • 2 3
 You're retarded, Guataisi?
  • 2 0
 :drool I want one for my new freeride/dh/enduro hybrid 4in tyre fapbike!!!! when they release it?
  • 7 0
 So a climbing website had similar criticism of comparison tables and responded. Here are a few examples with comparison tables. Doing this sort thing might make you more credible when reviews don't seem to compare much.

www.ukclimbing.com/gear/review.php?id=6513

www.ukclimbing.com/gear/review.php?id=6637

The idea that Fox paid for this is silly.
  • 13 4
 PIKE....The Chuck Norris of forks
  • 5 1
 @lsmillie "I have and it was nice but it seems to me that you need a factory race mechanic for how much maintenance they need... I switched to the pike and love it imo the pike is way better fork than the new 36."
I had my fox 36 serviced last march rode the shit out of it in the crappy wet gloopy NorthShore conditions , fianlly had it serviced at LynnValley Bikes in North Vancouver. It still had enough oil in it and the oil was still nice and clean and my seals were fine.They did the maintenance anyways per request after calling me as I didn't know when I'd have time to do it later. 11 months is not excessive maintenance imo
Btw i had my tuned for by "Suspensionwerx" in north van , sweet job they did..
  • 3 2
 @mikekazimer- I think the issue here is that aside from adjustability (which these same people complained about not having with ctd), you guys haven't pointed out how the 36 rides better. There is no denying that the Pike spikes with high speed chatter, where the 36 doesn't. Do you honestly not feel that between the two? I'm all about the adjustability, however it's not the reason that I'm selling the Pike for the 36 or 350.
  • 17 4
 Anyone who considers choosing one of those forks over another based on assumed performance is deep in complete shit. The part of brain responsible for figuring out what's best fork, is usually perceived by it's owner to be responsible for reasoning and making sensible choices, while in fact it is the very same part of brain making people go on sites where they consider which boobs are currently hottest, which celeb lost more weight b or what was years best fk up of Lindsay Lohan. 36, Pike, DVO, 350 are all incredible forks, there is nothing that even a World Cup racer could gain or lose if he chose one over another. All have great chassis, great springs and great dampers, much better than any of us deserves and can take advantage of. PB Awards are just a game that people take waaaay to seriously.
  • 6 0
 @mikekazimer Ok, that makes sense. (It would have been great if you had made a short text on the other nominees, explaining where they fell short.)
  • 4 2
 First I precise that I currently own a 2014 Pike.
In last november I had a bargain on a brand new 2013 34 (factory, trail adjust, 160, 27.5).
I rode the 34 once before the snow started to fall, and it was obvious that the pike was far better : there was not enough LSC in descend mode and in trail mode causing the fork to dive, and static frictions were absolutely unbearable once you tasted the pike.
So in december I reached the fox service center here in Montreal (OGC) in order to check what was feasible to improve the 34.
They proposed to change the whole 2013 CTD trail adjust cartridge and spring for 2015 parts, at a very low price.
Those guys were the most professional people I ever met in the bicycle business. They did the job in 2 days, including new cartridge shipment from Vancouver, and spent a lot of time in explaining what precisely has changed between 2013, 2014 and 2015 cartridge, and how to tune them.
I went in the south of France for christmas and rode both forks back to back for 5 days (the pike was on my Devinci Troy, the 34 on a Norco Sight, my wife's ride).
What I can say is that the 2015 CTD cartridge is now smoother than the pike's from stictions point of view. The descend mode still lacks LSC from my opinion, but thanks to the trail mode and its 8 positions, I was able to correct that and find the sweet spot without loosing small bump compliance. The air spring is now a little more progressive than the pike (with 1 token).
  • 3 2
 So from my opinion the 34 with 2015 cartridge and spring is now on par with the pike, even better concerning stictions. I think that the pike spring is maybe a little more sensitive for light riders since there is no negative air chamber on the fox (still a negative coil spring). I did the middle interval service by myself on the Pike, and in comparison with the Fox, RS internals shows a lot of plastic parts.
So if 36 stictions are equivalent to 2015 34, with fully tunable LSC, HSC and spring, with the same weight and a better rigidity, I have no doubt that the new 36 can be at least as good as the Pike.
For the quick release comment about taking off front wheel on enduro timed section, well, if you have to, it means that you have to change your tire or your tube, so you're dead for ranking anyway, with or without quick release.
  • 9 2
 Hey pinkbike..next time let us nominate and vote..
  • 2 2
 I certainly don't think its unreasonable to assume fox actually had the best suspension product of 2014.
Being that the 2015 model was revamped and probably noticeably better performing then the 2014 model is pretty huge. I have a 2014 talas 36 180mm and it handles some pretty rugged stuff like a boss. If the 2015 model is in fact better I would be very impressed. That being said I don't believe the pike changed this year and even though it may be #1 or #2 it qualifies lower then the new 36 simply because the 36 is revamped and "new" for this year.
  • 9 0
 seems like pb comments get a little touchy in the winter. cabin fever?
  • 1 0
 ^really? it would be 100x the shite storm in here.
  • 1 1
 Using this same logic, we can easy proclaim the specialized Demo the winner of the downhill bike category. Anyone want to bet?
  • 1 0
 Not sure about that Triber, the demo didn't accomplish anything great this year. Brosnan won on the old carbon 27.5 demo but no wins on the new frame. Jared graves certainly killed it. But I think its safe to say the 27.5 V10 on the other hand...
  • 4 3
 Kazimer is right about maintenance, not a big Fox fan but I bet they last longer then the pike. Both my sons have worn out pikes in less then six months.
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer I'm curious about service intervals, which in the past has been everybody's complaint. Can you compare to older Fox product, is it truly still plush after months of abuse? My 2012 36 Van for instance(I still have it for back up) went noticeably sour after maybe 10 hours on a $120 pro tune. I think Fox recommended every 125 hours, which IMO was a lie.
  • 2 1
 Dirtchopper My 36 is a 2012 kashima factory RLC fit. Still plush after 11 months of north shore riding..I only took it in because i did not want to risk damaging my fork. As it was it still had enough oil, the oil was clean ,seals were ok. I wash my bike after every ride , but the shore is a temperate rain forest and I don't dodge mud or puddles etc. I think service intervals greatly depend on the fork model and everyday maintenance...??
  • 4 1
 Ive been on this new fork for 4 months now and I am blown away at how confidence inspiring it is in all conditions. Especially the tracking on wet rooty conditions. Dont knock it until you've tried it.
  • 4 1
 Hate. Hate. Hate. Hate. Hate.
  • 2 1
 Love. Love . Love. Love. Love. Love.
  • 1 1
 Bigfoot called from his spaceship, he wants his conspiracy back.
  • 8 1
 There is such a vibrant discussion here that I think Pinkbike and Fox paid @regdunlop38 to accuse them of selling the award in order to get online traffic
  • 4 5
 Since PB has kindly invited me to get out of here (or at least I've understood so), I wouldn't want to leave this site without replying to my friend el bombero-torero.

Am I retarded? Well, I dont think so, but who knows.
I just think PB has lost its way lately, becoming a cash register and losing its credibility. But of course this is only my thought, maybe I am wrong.
  • 1 1
 I thought that people think like that only in Croatia, but now I see whole World is a same.
  • 2 3
 guataisi - what makes you think Pinkbike lost it's credibility, what proof do you have for that? May be an educated guess, may be a set of observations that led you to such conclusion. You may want to start with how did you perceive Pibkbike before you felt that it went down, an why. Just try to come up with it, for your own sake.
  • 1 0
 hahahahah fox? hahahahahahhahhahahhaha
  • 5 0
 I am not calling this a conspiracy, nor am I claiming the site is not awesome. All the signs suggest this award is legit, and this fork is awesome.
I am just saying it is a conflict of interest when your primary source of ad revenue supplies you with products to objectively review. It is a tightrope walk for any journalist to not be captured by the industry in such a situation. After all, if I am a reviewer who receives all the bad fox forks (of which there have been many) and calls a spade a spade, it is possible fox will not buy ads on my site, or even invite me out to the next trail day to test their forks. Then I am out of the job. Modern journalists at major networks are nice to politicians because if the politicians stop talking to them they are out of the job. Same problem. Real thing, not a conspiracy theory.
  • 2 1
 @taletotell

"After all, if I am a reviewer who receives all the bad fox forks (of which there have been many) and calls a spade a spade, it is possible fox will not buy ads on my site, or even invite me out to the next trail day to test their forks. Then I am out of the job. "

I understand what you mean but I suppose that it works in both ways:
- journalists cannot be at the hand of big companies because they risk to loose credibility and audience drop
- big companies cannot blackmail big users communities like Pinkbike because they risk to loose visibility

So I guess the truth is in between, as usual.
In the climbing community, most of publication do not publish review of products that did not work. They prefer to not talk about it, only publishing good review of good working products instead of publishing a bad review of a bad product. Okay, the challenge is not exactly the same in climbing, a bad product in climbing can be harmful.
But as a parallel, I do not see a lot of review of avid elixir brakes last years on Pinkbike for instance.

I found that Pinkbike was quite fair both with the user community and the companies, at least with fox forks in the last 3 years, subject that I am quite aware.
  • 5 1
 Disclaimer: following text contains irony

Pinkbike was not always fair with fox.
From the pinkbike review of 2013 CTD product :

« The reason for us staying in the Trail position the majority of the time was due to what we feel is too light of valving in the Descend position. It was light enough, in fact, that we actually spent nearly all of our time descending with the fork in the firmer Trail setting, defeating the purpose of offering three different damping levels. There was just too much fork dive when with the CTD damper set to full open, allowing the bike to pitch forward and compromise the geometry when braking hard for corners, as well as not giving us a firm enough suspension 'platform' to push against when trying to work the rocks and undulations of the test track. »

Etc...

www.pinkbike.com/news/fox-suspension-2013-float-ctd-first-ride.html

So, despite the huge offsets pinkbike get from the industry, allowing Levy, Katzimmer and Cunningham « the Godfather » to spend most of their time in exotic remote places like Sedona and drive luxury cars filled with supermodels, they consciously chose to reveal that fox products were quite shitty in 2013...
  • 6 1
 So just a farfetched hypothesis:

Aware that they stand on their laurels for some years due to lack of concurrence, blew up their reputation with 2013 CTD and take a beating the last 2 years from RS with the PIKE, fox engineers

1. FIRST tried hardly to overcome their fate with 2014 products,

From
www.pinkbike.com/news/FOX-34-TALAS-FLOAT-X-FIRST-IMPRESSIONS.html

« Our biggest question about the 2014 CTD forks boiled down to if FOX rectified their 2013-spec damper, which they have. The revised damper features ''increased compression damping of CTD system across the board'', meaning that riders can expect a more controlled feel to the fork in all three of the CTD settings. »

2. Then REALIZING it was not good enough, totally overhauled the cartridge with RAD inputs

www.pinkbike.com/news/Riding-FOXs-RAD-34-Fork.html
(Read in details for upgrades description, not only conclusion)

And apply these upgrades to production versions that you’ll find back in the 2015 cartridge.
www.ridefox.com/content.php?c=2015-3234

3. FINALLY, after 2 years of work trying to get their ass back from RS domination, they strike back and produced the new 36, which characteristics seems really good (LSC, HSC, rigidity, stictions, weight ) and maybe, from tester’s experiences, good enough for being the suspension product of the year.

End of wandering.


PS : Hollywood, this scenario is for sale.

PS 2: Fox, If you can reach me discretely, I will gladly accept a new 36 as an offset for my contribution.
  • 2 1
 @gnralizeed
You have hit that nail on the head.
  • 3 0
 Thanks for responding with good info instead of just screaming about conspiracy theorists. You defend PB well and I feel a bit better about the whole thing.
  • 2 1
 Wow gnarlized! That was good! I think the main problem is the expectations of people claiming shenanigans. They are high, to say the least, while these are just people running a business same as any other. Then they also glorify mountain biking while it is a really small world, thinking that there are some grand arrangements going on. Sometimes I get the impression that people like Mike Sinyard are taken for being Bernie Ecclestone or something.
  • 3 2
 Wow, 128 new notifications. It appears I really stirred the hornets nest with this one.

To those who call this a "conspiracy" or "shenanigans," purchased/leveraged media hype is very much the standard in the outdoor sports industry (and in many many others). I was an account manager at one of the 5 outdoor sports PR companies in my town of 10k (yes that's right, 5 PR companies for 10k people) and most of what we did was "influence" media outlets to publish positive press about emerging or tarnished brands. 95% of positive press/reviews/awards do not come without a certain degree of tampering from the PR industry. I'm not saying it's absolutely what happened in this case, but it is certainly suspicious that a product that has been floundering for the past few years now suddenly wins this award for being "on par" with a superior product that was released 3 years ago, in spite of most of us riders still preferring the superior product.
  • 3 0
 The people defending this review mostly argue from the facts of this particular review, but we doubters doubt because we see, or think we see, a pattern of behavior in professional reviews that casts doubts on all the reviews. Myself, I've been fortunate enough to buy and try a number of Fox and RS forks over the years, and compared to, say, a Marzocchi 44/55/66RC3 they've all been something ranging from OK to outright garbage. Nonetheless, these same mediocre products get rave reviews in the press, while the RC3 forks barely seem to have any presence at all. Setting aside any comparison between brands, how can one take these reviews seriously when they rave about pretty much everything? Go look at Bike Magazine's youtube reviews. Everything is "amazing" and "at the top of our list." This isn't a personal attack on any particular reviewer's integrity. It's a systemic, institutional problem.
  • 2 0
 That's exactly why I cancelled my Bike mag subscription.
  • 2 3
 VelkePivo - Fox or RS being outright garbage and Marzocchi being super cool? All those forks are very comparable, if you want Marzocchi feeling in Fox, then you should simply buy Van 36R, super plush thanks to open bath and next no low speed compression either Big Grin You should drink more Pivo because you are tight as an arse seeing a fist.
  • 4 0
 WAKI, you're so insufferably full of yourself your reading comprehension suffers. I said ranged from OK to garbage. I didn't say FOX/RS were all garbage. And I certainly didn't say Marz was "super cool." (BTW, you're even more creepy then normal when you try to be jocular and hip). I had a 36 Van180 and it sucked. Less small bump compliance than the Marz but bottomed out far more easily. It's not a question of "feel" but proper functioning. But here I end my interaction with you, because doing so always makes me feel a bit ill. Like arguing with the street corner lunatic predicting the end of the earth.
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flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 9, 2015 at 23:37) (Below Threshold)
 My experience with forks you mention is that they are comparable and only street lunatic could believe that he gaind anything significant from running öhlins instead of DHX5, ava cartridge, push tuning. You get feel, satisfaction from owning it, nothing else, because the rest can come only from your muscle strength, muscle memory and mental ability. If you cant adapt to have fun on Auron, domain then the sport you can be good at is comparing forks, is that what you are after?
  • 3 2
 WAKI, you clearly have not enough experience Razz
  • 2 1
 yes that may be the case caste1200 but I am not going to mention examples of products my friends are using Big Grin

regdunlop - I write this only because you are not some barking kid on his way to get better. I see where you are coming from, but I think you could spend some time thinking of the positives of the idea of "presumption of innocence", because if we all behaved like you, you would hear assumptions like how your mom behaves when dad's not home and that he may not be your dad, and then a bloke like laynehup could say - we will never know, and bloke like you in this situations would say that he is a lawyer working with divorces and say it is perfectly normal. Sorry for such drastic comparison but well...
  • 3 0
 fair enough WAKI, I have own at least one fork from Marzo, RS, FOX, BOS, I also work on a bike shop, and fox is probably the the last on my list Razz never ever will I get one! once you go bos, you dont go back to crappy overpriced stuff... I wish everybody could see whats inside a boxxer or a 40s and compare to a idylle... then you stop asking questions. and once you try an idylle, you understand how a fork should feel!
  • 2 3
 My best friend is probably best service guy in Sweden, great downhiller and he rode Fox by choice Wink now he's on RS due to contract obligations and he is not really crying. I have no idea how bos looks inside, to me marzo, rs and Fox look decent. I personally could not give a slightest damn, when the time comes to buy something I take whatever comes up in good state at good price on second hand market, from that list, be it Mattoc, 36, Pike or DeVille
  • 1 0
 @caste1200
Well, at least you speak with your age's moderation ;-)
I liked BOS very much some years ago when I got a Deville + Viper (first version) for one year in 2010 (my last 26’’ fork). At this time it was uncomparably better than concurrence, contributing to take fox out of the hot seat. But in the following years, with RS gaining momentum, I found that the range reduced between bos and the others.
Working in a shop you should know that bos is not for everyone, their products are very good but quite touchy, there is a lot of use preconisation and manipulations, like to not put the Deville upside down to not unprime the cartridge for instance, but there are many others.
So for me BOS is really performance oriented and is not « grand public », or for all audience, for the mass.
You just have to check the huge number of factory settings for their shocks (almost one by existing bike) to understand what they aiming at.
But you Swiss are well known to comfortably deal with technical complexity so maybe it is not a drawback for you ;-)
If you read french you surely know about the Bos forum on Velovert. forum.velovert.com/topic/98268-bos-engineering/page__st__19360
I tried one of the new Deville in 27.5’’, it was still more controlled in the midstroke than my Pike and less flexy laterally, but the huge drawback was the ridiculously small tire clearance at the arch, like less than 1cm with schwalbe Fat Albert in 2.35, so I cannot imagine with Magic Mary’s.
And this post is about suspension product of the year (and for the mass I guess), it didn’t seems that BOS produced anything new last year, except the update of the idylle cartridge with inertia valve, but it is quite anecdotic.
Hope they update the Deville casting this year, and I will forget the new 36.
  • 1 0
 true that, Im currently running the new 27.5 on my nomad, didn't notice any major clearance problem, I didn't even check to be honest I even have a marshguard on it, used magics, hans, and right now hillybillys
  • 1 0
 WAKI has a friend? And he's a downhiller?? Very hard to believe. Probably this "friend" wears a white lab coat Big Grin
  • 1 4
 yes come in all the rockshox fanboys,im wondering how much your asian tin cans are going to last! because no1 is lifetime! you will remember this when the warranty ends ,it miraculously breaks and then go buy yet another consumable product. but i will remember why fox costs more.
  • 2 0
 lol frizstyler. some fox forks are assembled in the us. all the parts come from taiwan. fact.
  • 68 7
 Meanwhile, BOS continue to quietly produce the best fork you can buy. Uses the same axle for 15 and 20mm hubs, best QR axle mechanism I've seen (one qr lever and the axle screws in and out). Even better, huge service intervals and utterly reliable. Oh and they can manage all of that with an open bath damper that is a breeze to service, unlike rebuilding a FIT cartridge...
  • 34 4
 Awards go to marketing companies. I'm sure it's a fine shock. For $1k it should be a fantastic shock. If you really want to blow my mind, make a great shock and sell it for $600 because the value for technology is totally upside down in MTBing right now.
  • 7 2
 They are lovely to ride, but a complete ball ache when the break/need a service. Once they get a decent UK service centre with a good selection of spares I'll be all over the Deville. Until then I'll stick with something TF Tuned can fix in a morning
  • 14 5
 I used to have a 36 i would rebuild weekly. I don't miss that.
  • 7 3
 The new 36 pushed the device intervals out to a year now.
  • 6 0
 We now have a well respected shop certified as as BOS service center here in the U.S. They stock all the small parts so no more ball ache over here. I can pull the lowers, throw in new seals and BOS' fluid in about 15 minutes. I've been running a Deville for a year now after coming off of a Pike and am very impressed after hammering it hard.
  • 3 0
 #custardcountry give Jtech a call, they will hook you up
  • 1 0
 As an option we are not far away to give your BOS mtb goodies proper treat. Always loaded with factory spares and service kits Wink In matter of new Fox fork - we can't wait to test one and make our own opinion. "Better ride then read 100 times on forums"
  • 4 0
 Ive heard boss forks are nice,,, but its best to ride something that serviced locally instead of shipping it out. ultimately riding a locally serviceable fork is better than waiting for the "mail" with your super awesome shipped far away fork...
  • 54 11
 Yay Fox! Congrats as building a fork almost as good as a pike ..... A year later. Well deserved award.
  • 10 2
 Yay Fox! Awesome to have you create competition in The market so that we get better shit year after year!
  • 8 8
 The Fox reps love that the Pike came out. It pushed them to make a better fork and get back to the top. They made a little better product than SRAM, which 9 out of 10 people will agree that have actually ridden both. Thanks SRAM for evolving suspension. Now get back to work!
  • 40 6
 Just got a 2015 on my bike, only about 3 rides on it, totally blown away so far. Well deserved.
  • 10 0
 if its better than my pike then i dont know what to think of this new 36...
  • 21 10
 More knobs to twist do not a better fork make.
  • 9 9
 Neverlost, you are pretty lost. Ride both forks and then make an education opinion. The 36 doesn't spike on high speed chatter like the pike does. It's just a little better than the pike, and it's undeniable after riding both.
  • 4 0
 Yeah but way more composure at high speeds does
  • 2 1
 what do you mean by spiking on high speed chatter?
  • 6 6
 When riding through chatter at high speeds, the Pike spikes bringing feedback to the hands. This is a well known downside to the Pike. In fact, the Manitou Mattoc and Fox 36 ride better.
  • 4 1
 Interesting, I have not experienced that riding my pike, guess I'm not riding fast enough. Lol
  • 6 2
 dualsuspensiondave, check your settings, take some time to see what the best tune is, and then come back to us and give another opinion. I spent 2 days of riding to get mine feeling right, and it has absolutely no shatter or feedback.
  • 2 1
 wait a week in whistler and see how it feels haha
  • 10 4
 I will grant you this, I havent ridden the new fox fork. So you could be right. But when the review says it only equals Pike performance, all while being more complex, more to maintain, and more expensive, I think you can keep this "product of the year"...

Also, myself and many others out here race/ride the pike, I know a slew of Pro's on the pike. I haven't heard people complaining of this issue you speak of. I am not sure I'd use the phrase "well known downside" at this time.
  • 4 2
 #dualsuspensiondave is spot on, I own a pike and even though it's good it's nowhere near close to the feel of my old BOS. Talking of which I'm astonished PB hasn't even reviewed one this year, if they had the outcome may of been different
  • 5 0
 This year is 8 days old Smile
  • 6 8
 Pinkbike, where people argue against facts.
  • 3 0
 @dualsuspensiondave I'm genuinely curious as to where you would ride in the Cinci area that would justify a 160/170mm fork?
  • 3 2
 I'm usually found in WV, NC, or TN riding or racing enduro. There's a couple of us in Ohio that travel, ride, and race. I'll be out your way for the EWS and BME this year, along with the Whistler EWS.
  • 2 0
 I've had 2 Pikes and one spiked on highspeed hits and the other doesn't. On the spike pike, i couldn't run over 55 psi with 2 tokens without destroying my hands. On the plush pike, i run 65psi and 2 tokens and would say that's the performance is pretty bloody amazing. I also have a 2015 36 and i think it has amazing control and zero dive. Probably not as smooth as my good pike., but then again i don't feel like I've got it dialed yet either. i may need another volume spacer and a few less psi.
  • 1 1
 @panaphonic- Thanks for that info. I'm running about 70 psi with two tokens and it spikes. Another one of my friends had the same issue running one token at about the same psi, so I'm curious. Just add it to the list of issues when I call SRAM from the shop this week.
  • 1 0
 what's your weight Dave? 220lbs or something.?
  • 1 0
 problem is bos has the worst customer service
  • 1 0
 185 geared up. Been setting up and rebuilding suspension for a little while now, and I'm one that likes a firmer mid stroke. Stand and masher. Mid pack expert racer.
  • 34 11
 Congratulations FOX for getting out of being stuckdown and overdamped, beating sPiking from of RS and delivering a great product with 20mm axle!

I love those "but with more external and internal adjustments that allow a savvy rider to tune the fork exactly to their liking." - I have no freaking idea what is good for me, I turn a few dials and as soon as it feels quite alright I leave it there. If I sense after some time that it doesn't feel right I turn a bit more. I am ashamed of myself, so I envy online engineers* having such high tuning demands* for being able to setup their suspension exactly as it should be*. I wish I could reach the elusive Optimum.*

*Cynicism is a sign of helplessness and inability to ask for help.
  • 4 6
 Agreed.

99% of riders have no idea how to adjust all of that, and they end up making an otherwise capable fork work badly. No matter what the "online pros" here say. So basically hanging a ton of knobs on the fork is not a "feature" especially when other forks like "Last years winner" are well loved by people who have tried them without needing a degree in suspension tuning to make it happen.
  • 12 1
 If someone wrote a how-to starter guide do you think anyone would read it? A basic suspension setup is fairly simple. Rebound setting can be found in the parking lot with a bounce test. Compression you set soft and turn up one click at a time until it starts to feel harsh. If the right compression setting still has you blowing through your travel (and sag is set properly) then you have a spring rate issue and need to put a spacer in so it ramps up faster. The biggest mistake people make is making more than one change at a time.

Here is a great moto article i just found explaining things: www.sportrider.com/technicalities-suspension-damping/?image=3
  • 5 2
 Waki, sometimes when I feel like reading your comments to their entirety, I either facepalm myself or stare blankly at the screen in utter confusion. However I feel compelled to comment and tell you how right you are now!
  • 3 2
 Waki spot on. Thx
  • 7 0
 Canecreeks tuning guide is.written in such a way that anyone who can read and has nerves in their hands that can feel.sensations can setup their shocks.
  • 7 1
 But hey, just yesterday they said about the Marz 380Ti the same stuff but in a negative manner (too much possibilities to adjust the fork). So if reviewers can't decide if adjustments are good or bad then why even care about such "reviews"? Reviews are opinions and opinions are like farts: Everyone thinks their own smells better than others'. And in the end no one cares.
  • 2 1
 People keep reading what they want to and not what it says. That 380 review just says if you don't understand how to setup a fork, the competitions offerings with less adjusters might be preferable.
  • 4 0
 I think I agree with Waki (I'm never entirely sure), my Pikes were OOTB sweet after a little pump up and minor twiddle...so if they 'do the same' but have the ability to be de-optimised more easily why would I swap to the FOX , other than the PB award now gnawing at my sub conscience trying to convince me that I am a lesser human being for only running Pikes?
  • 2 0
 So you're saying it doesn't sound any different than what they state here? I know it's only semantics but still I find it weird that two reviews have different tone about the same thing. Like I said I don't give much weight for reviews, just wondering why the different tone.
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 not a lesser human being, just a less discerning one. The 36 has volume spacers to adjust ramp up and high speed compression, neither of which the Pike RCT3 offers. The faster you go the more a dialled suspension matters, which gave the nod to the fox 36.
  • 6 1
 friendlyfoe, you evidently haven't heard of Rock Shox's "Bottomless Tokens" that come with the Pike, to be installed in increments to adjust ramp up and high speed compression. You evidently have no idea what you're talking about.
  • 1 1
 Isn't that what bottomless tokens are for? That come with the bike/fork at purchase. Designed to proprovide more ramp up at the end stroke? Or was it the other way around and made it regressive?
  • 1 4
 AFAIK only the solo-air has bottomless tokens. The RCT3 does not.
  • 3 1
 It looks like that might have been some misinformation that i read somewhere, as a quick google search seems to suggest all pikes take the tokens. In which case it makes it super redundant that they mentioned the ability to do so in the 36 (which i thought reaffirmed the information i had that the top pike model didn't take tokens). If so then they say both forks are basically identical and they chose the fox because it offered more adjustability, which it claims is what people said they want. People are notorious for what they want not being the same as what they need.
  • 1 0
 So here's the thing: you can buy a Pike or spend £350 more for a 20mm axle (props 2 Fox for this even though they managed to screw it up), marginally better HSC and marginally stiffer chassis. But although this award doesn't explicitly say it, it's best NEW suspension product of the year.

All it really says is that no other suspension product came out this year was better. Which is a sad state of affairs when the Fox is £300 overpriced.

Still if you're in America, it might be worth saving your cents now, cos with a strong dollar and oil prices as low as they are, the 36s might start to see proper discounts later this year. Woop
  • 24 7
 After the 2013 Fox34 abomination, I think FOX should have been forbidden from even being nominated for the POTY, let alone winning, for at least 5 years.
  • 6 1
 I have the 2013 ctd, is it squishy? Yes, but it still works. I haven't serviced it at all and i have had it for over a year and a half. Maybe im just used to it and maybe its cuz i haven't tried anything better, but i still hit jumps with it, i still hit rock bed filled trails with it. I can tell you deff got burned on your ctd, but some people have them and still manage to ride alright with it. So i think ur comment about banning them for 5 years might be a little extreme. Im sure the pike is great but its not like fox stuff is completely unridable.
  • 3 2
 Yeah, my comment on the 5yrs ban was not 100% serious!

However, I want to point out that I certainly do not feel it is sufficient if my new fork that just cost me over 1000$ is "squishy".

The point is that the 2013 Fox34 was very bad. It had no mid-stroke support, meaning that, at the right pressure to get a proper sag, it would use at least half of it's travel just by braking in the T mode. The D mode so underdamped it was completely useless...and who cares about the C mode? Basically you needed to increase your pressure a bit too high if you wanted to avoid blowing through your travel all the time...resulting in a significant reduction in small bump sensitivity and a harsher ride.

Every body complained about that and it should have been a recall issue. Fox revised the damping very rapidly and made the 2014 damper modification available in June I believe. Fox also believed the customer should pay (again) to get this new updated damper, after they had already paid a high price for the fork to begin with (I am talking about the Factory Series with full-Kashima bling-bling treatment).

I am just here to make sure this does not get forgotten... Smile
  • 4 0
 Yeah understandable, before i got my remedy that came with the 34 i was riding a shitty 100mm hardtail, so it was obviously an improvement and i just got used to the squish i guess. Im still using the ctd to this day and it gets me by, but i am looking forward to trying other options when it dies, but as the saying goes " if it aint broke dont fix it".
  • 14 1
 Lots of mad Pike owners out there..
  • 10 0
 Finally, a fork from Fox which actually works. Great product of the year.
Maybe they can make also a decent shock to go with it. Wink
  • 14 1
 They are busy copying Cane Creeks Double Barrel Air at the moment.
  • 2 0
 Looks I received a few negative reps for my previous post. What I've heard from a few industry types is that Fox is pretty pissed about losing OEM rear shock specs to Cane Creek for a number of brands (Ibis, Intense, Knolly, etc.). Not sure bout the details and hope it brings a few new ideas forward instead of being just a reaction.

www.vitalmtb.com/product/feature/Spy-Shot-Prototype-FOX-Air-Downhill-Shock,293
  • 10 2
 How many of you have actally ridden the fork? "The 2013 34 Float sucked, so this sucks too" is a bullshit cop-out. I had the 2014 34 Float and hated it. Went with the new 36 and it's the real deal. Pretty lame sause to bash a product you've not ridden because of the logo on the side...
  • 3 1
 I totally agree. I had a Fox Float 34 and the thing was a pile. It was fun on full on XC rides, but anything with a significant descent resulted in so much fork dive I thought I was at dinner, not out riding.
  • 3 9
flag VelkePivo (Jan 8, 2015 at 9:51) (Below Threshold)
 and what did PB say about the Fox 34? wanna guess?? they LOVED it!! www.pinkbike.com/news/Riding-FOXs-RAD-34-Fork.html
  • 4 0
 @VelkePivo You made the same comment above........The RAD 34 is not the 34.
  • 1 0
 I apologized above. I'd remove the comment if I could Smile
  • 4 1
 A friend just picked one up, after my experience with my 36, I tried talking him into either a Pike, or a Suntour (my Epicon has been outstanding!), he went with the 36 anyway. After riding his bike a couple times, it really is a fine fork. I don't think it's groundbreaking, but it's a massive improvement, and certainly the best new suspension product this year IMHO.
  • 3 0
 @VelkePivo I saw that review too. The question no one is asking is this, why didn't pb review the 34 that normal humans can buy? That rad fork sounds awesome, but nobody ended up with that except pros. Meanwhile a bunch of people got stuck with crap with no forewarning.
I think they like to review the good stuff, when really reviewing the bad stuff would be more helpful so we know what to avoid.
  • 9 0
 Meanwhile, the article preceding this has three legends of the sport riding X-Fusion, Manitou and SR Suntour forks... Sponsorships aside, they seem to be doing just fine without the "latest and greatest."
  • 2 0
 ^^^this!!!!
  • 1 0
 Yes yes yes^^^^^ pikes, fox, better, worse? just ride what you got and have fun!
  • 1 0
 I want an xfusion revel review.
  • 3 0
 Did they actually make any revel's? Nobody around has ever seen one.
  • 17 6
 get me my Pike,to the war
  • 7 6
 You'll be limbless in no time with that attitude.
  • 11 0
 They were playing catch-up and won??
  • 9 0
 Good, now can Fox just admit the whole CTD damper is a complete disaster and never, ever, ever bring it back?
  • 8 2
 pike feels more linear and smooth, but will go through travel, but feels so butter. fox 36 is very smooth too but has great mid stroke support and rides higher in the travel, keeping the fork from diving. in my eyes the 36 is better.
  • 6 0
 Wow. I got tired of these comments pretty quickly. I didn't realize there was so much hatred when it comes to forks. Can we move on to religion or politics now?

BTW - I'd love to see a shootout of "affordable" trail/am forks from the likes of Xfusion, SR Suntour and whomever else is making solid forks closer to the $600 range.

Maybe an award for best "premium" suspension product and one for best "value" suspension product. I'm f*cking tired of $1,000 forks, $2,000 wheelsets and $9,000 bikes. F*cking tired........

Plus I'm pretty sure that if I had a new Pike or 36 I wouldn't be bitching about either or hating on the other. Can't we all just get along?
  • 2 0
 I'd like to see PB do reviews on entry level bikes and parts rather than those $3500 bikes that would make those who want to get into the sport kinda dismayed because they think they need that much to get started. Would love to see some reviews on Giant Talons, GT avalanches, some Merida bikes, also some lower end components like SR Suntour's Epicon etc.
  • 8 3
 Hey pinkbike are you becoming unreliable like mountain bike act.... errr fiction? There is a lot of competition that does reviews in the market place. They lost credibility because they became a whore for the big companies please don't go down that path.
  • 6 1
 sooo let me get this straight: yesterday the added adjustability of the Marzo 380 was something that can lower the appeal of the fork, andtoday you give the suspension of the year award to a fork also because it has "increased adjustability and options?"

anyone else slightly bipolar here?
  • 5 0
 Fox needed this fork to be a cut well above the Pike and all I keep reading is that "it's on parr" with it so they haven't really achieved anything. I also cannot believe they haven't made this quick release. Wonders never cease.
  • 5 0
 How about the RS Debonair upgrade kit as the suspension product of the year? Instead of just telling everyone to buy their new shock, Sram offered an upgrade kit to make older monarch shocks "Rad-er for a fraction of the cost of a new shock. Along with the fact that the Monarch Plus is already cheaper than Fox's Float X. can't imagine Fox doing something as cool as that.
  • 1 0
 Not available until next month. 2015 product of the year maybe.
  • 11 6
 Congrats to FOX but, Come on... look at all of the podium and winning results the boxxer took this year in freeride and racing! I know it takes the rider to put it together but the new 2015 Boxxer is an absolute BEAST!
  • 5 13
flag tiagomano (Jan 8, 2015 at 6:23) (Below Threshold)
 this it's a 36, not a 40, so it's stupid to talk of that
but fox on the elite wc field, men and women's had more victories than rock shox, so what's your point again? and the freeride guys any top of the line fork is equal to them ,they are mostly taking big hits, not reading the terrain
  • 3 0
 I own both forks and have ridden both, I give the boxxer the win buddy! I hope the 40 will up the game next year for ya! I'm sure they will, also hope your 40 sells fast so you can get a boxxer!!! Cheers!
  • 7 2
 Actually, it isnt stupid to talk of that. The new Boxxer and the Pike both use Charger dampers, which is a superior system to what Fox uses. It is one of the reasons why the Pike is a superior fork to this Fox 36. Funny that something wins "product of the year" but even in the article it states that in their opinion, at the best, it only managed to maybe equal the Pike in performance.
  • 4 3
 Rode both on different test bikes and would buy the 36 again. Love the new 36. Wanted to ride both before I made my decision though. The pike was a great fork not taking anything away from it but the 36 edged it out not only in adjustments but in high speed chatter.
  • 3 3
 i have ridden them both, and the reason i prefer the 40 mostly is for the stiffness , the boxxer is too flexy when you com from a 40, and i'm selling it for a swap to a 27.5 fork, nothing more

yes, i read that, but that was the initial opinion, when they have ridden it like 2 days, i'm not saying a pike is a bad fork, i bought one(that has to go to warranty without it being riden yet because it's not doing full travel) but the main reason i bought the pike it's for the price, in my opinion i would prefer the 36 and i think it is better , but is 400 and something euros (like 500 bucks) more expensive, and it isn't that much better, so as i am not swimming in money i went with the pike, the best offer for the money
  • 3 3
 Never paid full price for a fox fork paid the same price the pike was going for. Club sponsor pricing
  • 2 2
 did not paid full price on the pike too neither that difference was to a full price fork, here the recommended selling price(in europe) is 1200€ for a 36 and 900€ for the pike, but the 36 the best price you can get it's 1000€, the pike is 580,and if you prefer the oem model the RC it's even cheaper

the prices in america on this product's are way lower, probably because they are american brands or UE taxes and import charges
  • 7 1
 After reading comments on how much of a conspiracy it is to have the 36 as winner it's nice to hear someone say that they have actually tried the new 36. I wonder how many others commenting on here about how the pike is better or that fox paid pinkbike for the win have actually tried the 36.
  • 5 1
 @laerz,

Here's the thing:

A lot of the Fox hate comes from the 34 CTD. There are quite a few people on this comment board who got this fork( myself included) and had problems with the compression( as in it doesn't work very well).

When fox redesigne the fork after it's 1st year because it was that bad, they then charged an additional $100 for the customers who paid for a bad design in the first place.




That soured a lot people on the company in general, and they haven't done much to change their image since then.
  • 1 0
 sure, the 2013 34 didn't worked properly, i used to run mine with more pressure and on trail only by warranty they changed mine to a 2014 talas and it's a good suspension, and from where i read on vital's cube review the 2015 one is even better
  • 2 1
 @ Saidrick
I am aware of the CTD flop, but this is a new fork, I am also aware of rockshox 2007 reliability issues and 2006 2009 Marzocchi quality control issues. I was unfortunate to own a dud lyric from 07 and a 08 888 with horrible bushing slop, however I like new rock shox and Marzocchi products, they both pulled it together and make better products than before. I feel people are jumping the gun here, I mean really how many people have actually tried the new 36? To say it is shit. Also the 36 never had the CTD cartridge and currently doesn't.
  • 2 0
 in some oem models like the scoot lt700 they have
  • 5 1
 Just asking: Why are there a lot of comment on hating the 36? I haven't ridden both Pike and 36 (hell I haven't ridden any decent suspension setup), but from what I hear from my friends that do have them, they're kinda like on the same line. Sure it may be a PR stunt or something, but I'm not vouching on both ends since I don't have a first hand experience with them, just wanna know why Fox gets bad rep among you guys
  • 5 1
 Because we cant afford them hahah
  • 6 2
 I'm with you I don't get it, and I wonder how many people making these negative comments have actually tried the new 36, it would be nice to read a fox review without hearing all the negativity, I honestly think people just like to hate. If people truly believe pink bike is conspiring with fox then don't read their reviews.
  • 2 4
 maybe it's because some people don't like to be taken for gullible fools
  • 4 5
 No, it's because their ego's are so big and they saved their pennies for a Pike. A year later they can't believe that there could be something better. They take it personal.
  • 1 1
 @VelkePivo
What does that even mean, because the reviewer likes the 36 people are gullible fools? Or because you bought a CTD fork and didn't like it? This is a review about the fox 36, and believe or not it received a good review, or I guess that's a conspiracy
  • 2 1
 I've been on my fox 36 since July. Prior to that I rode a 13' float 36 which had a lot of short comings. Before I bought the new 36 I did several rides on bikes equipped with both the new 36 and the pike. Both very capable forks but the midstroke is far better on the 36. The pike also had a really harsh spike during high speed chatter that the 36 did not. The biggest difference I noticed between the older 36 and the newer one is now I actually run lower air pressures than before. I used to have to over inflate the older 36 to keep it from blowing through its travel. On the new one I am actually running the air pressure about 5 psi under the recommended and it rides perfect with one token in it.
  • 1 1
 @USMC what did the old 36 did to receive some hate? also from what you said I guess that's pretty much a good thing. It's sad to see that fox managed to pull something good but everyone sees it as a marketing stunt to sell something shitty. Not saying that everyone should instantly like it because of a review, but people should at least take this with a grain of salt and consider this is they want a new fork. Not everything written is the truth :/ Don't knock it you try it as they say.
  • 3 0
 It would brake dive really bad and blow through its travel when the air pressure was set at 30% sag. If I increased the air pressure to compensate for this it would become harsh and spike a lot. I pulled the fork apart and experimented with different oil volumes in the air chamber. Essentially doing what the tokens do now. It helped a little but still had lots of problems with with the mid stroke or lack there of. I played with with the compression ratios but never seemed able to dial it in. As for my background I work at a motorcycle suspension shop setting up motos at Track days and rebuilding forks and shocks. Only add that so people know where I am coming from.
  • 9 2
 Please review the new Marzocchi 350 NCR Ti! Please! I'm really loving mine and I feel like it needs some press.
  • 3 1
 I am sooooo anxious for this fork... Ti or no Ti ?

I call for a shootout... Pike vs Zocchi 350 vs BOS Deville
  • 1 0
 How is your experience so far ... and how can you compare it to other forks you've ridden?
  • 5 1
 The shootout would be 36 vs Mattoc vs 350 vs Deville.
  • 2 1
 Pike should be there... as a benchmark... as far as I have read Fox 36 rev's, they are not outperforming the Pike...in specs, ride and price...
  • 3 2
 Ride one, and you'll see. I own the Pike and have been on one for a full season. The 36 and Mattoc ride better for sure. The Pike spikes with high speed chatter (hence the sPike name that it recently acquired). The Pike is a good fork, only the very aggressive rider will see the benefits of a 36 and Mattoc over the Pike. I'm interested to try that Marzocchi you have!
  • 1 1
 Have the Pike also for more than a year Wink
Explain where they are outperforming .... Mostly riding and (good) reading are not very much departed in my experience...

Not basing my opinion on 1 review Wink
Ans still the Pike should be there ... cause in the bikeworld it is the benchmark to beat atm...
  • 2 2
 I just told you man.
  • 2 0
 @Trailstunter- I'm comparing this fork and my new Nomad 27.5 to my old remedy with a 36 talas so not at all an apples to apples but the 350 NCR Ti is very smooth and controlled. Chassis seems quite stiff. I couldn't be happier with the bike overall, such a relief to be off of the seemingly non-functioning 36 talas. I hated that fork. AND, I'm getting great support from Marzocchi on their grassroots racer program. I really like the fork and the company right now. I think it's funny that when I asked Santa Cruz which fork to run on the Nomad, they were adamant about the new 36 or Pike. I mentioned Marz and X Fusion and they said do not put those forks on.
  • 2 0
 pdxkid,

Sounds great man! And it is something new right? So how many miles on it now and what is your weight?
Nice bike btw !! Yealous Wink

So the choice will be for me, BOS Deville or Marzocchi 350 Ti.... both european products, I like to invest in local companies...
  • 1 0
 @Trailstunter - Totally new bike and fork. I have about 100 miles on the bike and fork now. I weigh about 190-195lbs with gear. Marzocchi recommended that I do not add any air to the preload and I agree. I tried even 15psi and the fork was way too "stiff". I can't remember my rebound and compression settings.
Your Remedy build looks pretty sick too! My old Remedy was a 2011, kind of flexy back then. I've heard they are a lot better now. Enjoy!
  • 1 0
 Thanks a lot man, took some time to build my lovely Remedy! Totally custom build... Frame is great nowadays... So is there an option to use a stronger or lighter spring? Or is that not needed?
I way around the same... like 85 kg's...
  • 5 1
 The new 36 is outstanding. One thing Im surprised about that seems to get glossed over is how much stiffer the 36 feels over the pike. I have ridden both forks extensively now and find the 36 to be better in all aspects other than weight. Esp for bigger or aggressive riders, the 36 tracks way better with the 20mm drop-outs and larger stantions. Which is probably why RS is pushing the new 15x110 standard....
  • 2 0
 Fox always seems to be stiffer. Some people say they prefer a bit of flex though. At least they do when I ask why they got a boxxer instead of a 40
  • 4 1
 I'll keep my Pike. Every Fox fork I've owned has developed the dreading and utterly annoying CSU/stantion creek. Plus, a blown out damper on that p.o.s. CTD. Buy what you want its your perogotive, I'm staying away from Fox that is mine.
  • 5 2
 Alicia: hello, Alicia from Fox speaking
PB: Hi Alicia). RockShox told us that they do not want our offer cause their products speak for themselves, so I have a good offer for you today regarding our "product of the year award".... Are you interested?
Alicia: yes! Stick it in!
  • 3 0
 I wonder if the new FOX 36 will need servicing every other day like the others I've had... and despite servicing it correctly wear through the stantions in less than a year! I don't want a fork that has so much down time - I want to ride.
  • 3 0
 Who gives a Shit about this Award? Isn't it mostly more about how you ride rather than what you ride?
I was always happy with my forks and i had many of them... All Brands , all sort of forks and it was Never The Fork that Held me back. So Common guys, it is just anward that has nothing to say about how good a Production is or an other isn't.

Congress to Fox for making Good Produkts again and for The Rest we all love your products.
  • 5 3
 If anyone needed proof that we need to spend more money on education, this thread would be a great place to start. Oh, and as someone who has spent a lot of time on the FOX 34, Pike and FOX 36, I can confidently say these new 36's are hands down the best forks available right now.
  • 1 1
 Been on my new 36 for 6 months but only had a short period of time on the pike. Agree 100% Was on a 2013 36 no comparison its a different fork. Love mine!!
  • 2 0
 Can anybody remember a year (I think it was 2012) when there was the 34 in all reviews, news etc? It was supposed to be the ultimate Enduro fork but despite all the hype the product was sh* and they had to find out something new. Then the 36 was (re)born.
  • 3 1
 I thought this was a 2015 fork? Anyways I think this is as good a place as any to read this post I found..

http://www.churchoftherotatingmass.com/2014/12/02/are-we-not-journalists-part-2/
  • 2 0
 In North America, BOS is not a viable option. No support. If you have spent any time pulling forks apart, it's clear fox internals are of higher quality than any Rockshox product. I cannot comment anything on DVO because I've never ridden or serviced one.
  • 4 2
 So how many people have actually owned both forks at the same time? Not a 15 or 30 minute test ride, but owned them simultaneously and switched back and forth? I do and can state unequivocally that the 36 does not just match the Pike. There is a level of midstroke refinement that does not exist with the Pike. After switching back and forth a lot the Pike just feels like it wallows there when compared back to back with the 36. The 36 does take some more time to dial in since there is such a huge range so don't think you will get there on the first ride, but once you get there you won't want to get back on the Pike.
  • 1 0
 i own both. care to share your settings?
  • 2 0
 Fox has created a fork that ever site or review said its comparable (or equal) the Pike performance. Well, so Pike it's a product with more than 2 years and still ahead of the competition (Fox in case) and more affordable ($$$) in both sales or maintenance. I think that the new Fox is a good response to market, but still 1 step down. For me, Marzochi e BOS are great products too. They are people working hard to make good and lovely products.
  • 2 0
 The only reason this award is surprising is that some people so naive to think that +ve reviews are NOT linked to advertising dollars. Its a fact of life in today's media - you have to take reviews with a bit of a pinch of salt.

Half the fun is reading reviews where the reviewer is clearly having to balance their professional integrity with the need not to slag-off a new product big account, when it's clearly a bit of a dog. I feel like pinkbike do a good job of this balance on the whole - you can usually read between the lines easily enough.
  • 2 0
 If the Manitou Mattoc didnt win the suspension award, then it should've won the best value award. Props to One Up for that, but the fact that this fork costs over twice as much as a Mattoc yet every review said it was only marginally better or equal too in performance suggests that it is not deserving of the award.
  • 12 6
 DB INLINE!!! Hello!??!
  • 7 3
 I gave fox a chance! I now have the Pike! It will be hard to give my hard earned money back to fox after riding the Pike!
  • 3 2
 Agreed!
  • 1 0
 got some old fox 36 RCLs, completely tool free wheel removal, but the action is a bit choppy. want to change for some newer 36s but why have they got rid of the tool free pinch bolts and axle? a question of weight? the old set-up was probably as light as only used one pinch bolt either side?

any suggestions?
  • 1 0
 all of the top offerings from the big three suspension names in our industry are excellent products, just because the fox36 won this doesnt mean fox is the best. it means in pinkbikes opinion it was the "suspension product of the year" nowhere in that prestigious title does it say best.
  • 1 0
 Holly shit..I thought I will spend the whole night scrolling to find this space so I can write somethin'..clearly the Fox wins..but wait..there is Fox..and who else? Pike?..And that is the end of the list I guess..Marzocchi can start building something else cuz they r done with MTB..and then there is BOS..I guess I will find out in a couple of months if the hype is true..1200€ for a fork ..it better be much more than any 36 or 38 or any other number...
  • 9 7
 The only thing that would make it better is if it came with a CO2 cartridge to air it back up after it blows halfway down the trail. 10/10
  • 4 0
 Avalanche racing cartridge.
  • 2 0
 Heck yeah! I have a 2012 f36 that is just waiting for the day l can install Ava damper:-) cheaper and better
  • 2 0
 My Avy cartridge for my Pike is arriving in ~48 hours. I'm already camped out at the door waiting for the UPS dude.
  • 6 1
 Marzocchi 350 NCR...
  • 3 0
 2nd that! Cappuccino is way cooler the Kashima.
  • 2 0
 It is espresso... AND espresso is hotter Wink

I am sooooo anxious for this fork... Ti or no Ti ?

I call for a shootout... Pike vs Zocchi 350 vs BOS Deville
  • 6 0
 I was lucky enough to ride and have all 3 forks.
The BOS Deville and the 350 NCR air are far far better than the pike.

Between the BOS and the 350 it is a very close game. I like the performance of the 350 better but I like the fact that you can adjust the low speed and high speed compression on the BOS.

That been said the BOS is $300 more than the 350 at MSRP...
  • 2 1
 Thanks a lot for this feedback! In what way are they outperforming the Pike... can you explain that please?

Pike I loved for a year... but now it is producing sounds in the CSU and midstroke is a diver... (always was).
  • 3 2
 The BOS and 350 offer a far better dampening support. The mid stroke is very good, the pike has no mid stroke support... Both fork have a better small bump compliance, they are buttery smooth. BOS has very long service interval, and I did not open my 350 yet...
  • 1 0
 this is good to hear! I've never ridden the pike but picked up the 350CR (see: i'm cheap) and am very happy with it. Mid stroke is right, it just sucks everything up and even on flat corners gives insane traction. I think people really underestimate how important proper damping is to traction on flat ground. It's not all about the hits.
  • 1 0
 Great feedback prestige! Thanks a lot!

I can get the BOS and Zocchi for the same price in Holland atm.
Service Intervals are important to me too... start hanging to the BOS for now as a nice match to my Kirk Shock...
Still ... hard to find the black Devilles, mostly white's in Europe.

Would it be interesting to buy a second hander and send it over to Avalanche? Might even get better results for same price, or not?
  • 2 0
 Read reviews on products from different places, if you can go test them. Just because pros and mag editors like them doesn't mean you will.
  • 5 2
 Pretty sure Pinkbike's "Bike of the year" award when to a bike that comes stock with a Pike, so . . .
  • 3 1
 Look on their website dude... USED to come stock with a Pike.
  • 2 1
 Look at the photo used for the award. It has a Pike on it.
  • 3 1
 Must be an old pic. Look at Santa Cruz' website: www.santacruzbicycles.com/en/us/nomad
  • 3 0
 Yay, now i can get a used pike cheap from someone who suddenly can't stand their pike anymore.
  • 1 1
 Very pleased with my Fox 36 so far. I guess PB clearly approves of my Nomad with the 36 up front. Smile Especially for a bigger guy who's never been happy with the CTD settings or the 3 positions on a Pike, I love the ability to dial things on my own.
  • 2 2
 having owned [now] 3 sets of Pikes, and one set of the 2015(the author thinks for some reason it's a 2014 model-he's WRONG) Fox 36 Float(160mm), I found the Fox to be immediately better than the Pike. For starters, it's a LOT more stable(I'm over 220lbs, so that could be something that lighter riders might not notice).
I also found it to react to the high-speed stuff(chatter, braking bumps etc..) quicker, and with more composure, and where it REALLY shined, was the deep-travel shit. Jumps, drops, etc. Where the Pike either blows through its stroke and cries like a sissy-mary, or when the 'Tokens' are installed-blows through its stroke, then rebounds like it was shot out of a freaking cannon-, the Fox(sans tokens) stays composed. It sucks up the hit just like it's any other bump/hit, doesn't really flex, and I'm on my way.
Oh, and unlike my Pike's(2 of the three sets have had to be returned to SRAM for the air check-valve to be replaced/rebuilt/looked at cross-eyed), the Fox performed the last day just like the first(sadly, it was on my 29" Enduro which I replaced with the 27.5" version).
The first Pike I bought on purpose, to replace the OE Fox Talas 34 on my '13 26" Enduro. The next two unfortunately came stock on my 29" and 27.5" Enduro's.
I'm a raging idiot, otherwise I would've better planned this all out so I would have the Fox 36 on my 27.5" right now
  • 1 1
 @Yokev, I've had the same experience with the Pike that you describe and I only weigh 155 lbs. I'm now getting the pike cartridge modified by Avalanche to give it the mid-stroke support it needs. I wish I had just dropped an Avy cartridge into my old Fox 36 instead of believing the hype and buying a new pike. Would have saved a lot of money.
  • 1 1
 I love how everyone gives Fox crap about not being as good as the Pike that is two years old. What about the 15 years Rock Shox made and sold absolute garbage and Marzocchi shit the bed? Fox saved mountain bike suspension. Just be glad there is now competition that we as riders will benefit from. Buy the fork you like and have fun. Stop hating whatever fork you don't own.
  • 1 0
 I'm late to the party, but could someone please explain the difference between the 36 VAN, Float, and Talas? Was it a particular one of these that got the award or just the 36 line in general? Thanks..
  • 4 1
 Must be a sweet fork, wish I could put one on my bike
  • 7 4
 Its better because it can run 20mm axles
  • 3 0
 And I'm using a Pike...
  • 1 1
 How many here do have this suspension fork, to say it is good or bad? how many here do have the old 36 to say is they are good or bad?
I have no doubts about this, completely agree, is the best fork, besides it is expensive.
  • 3 0
 Marzocchi's new 380 or the 350 should win this year
  • 2 1
 There is a lot of love for the pike and rightly so, but how many of you have had the pleasure of servicing the charger damper.? It can be a right pain...
  • 1 0
 Way less time than I am riding it.
  • 4 1
 well deserved win, its an epic fork
  • 2 0
 Whats this about adjustable travel? I asked my local Fox dealer if the 36 could be reduced to 150mm travel and they said no.
  • 2 1
 @J-McBride: It sure can - the 160mm version's travel can be reduced all the way down to 110mm of travel in 10mm increments, and the 170 or 180 can be dropped to 130mm. More information can be found here: www.ridefox.com/help.php?m=bike&id=412.
  • 2 1
 Great news. you've now left me with a problem though as (price aside) my only justification to buy a pike was that it came in 150mm
  • 2 0
 Have both these and pikes - Pikes are better in every aspect. Another incoming cheque to PB via Fox.
  • 2 0
 What is with all the butthurt in all these "_____ of the year" threads? Holy hell.
  • 1 1
 I imagine all the conspiracy theorists here that think Pinkbike were paid to pick the 36 are the same people that haven't ridden one and regularly exclaim "26 for life" or similar bull crap.
  • 2 0
 "This year’s winner is so bullshit. Fox won this award only because they were able to match the 2014 Pike. lol"
  • 2 0
 4 hex bolts plus axle to get the wheel off might be a problem for enduro racing, better run tubeless.
  • 2 0
 Seems great. Would look into it, if I had anymore bikes. tup
  • 2 0
 O my LOL O Well dont worry i still hanging on on my Pike
  • 6 5
 Bought the new 36 and it is garbage compared to the Avalanche Cartridge. Don't believe hype!
  • 3 1
 i ve ridden both 36 and pike, still like the Stage better
  • 1 0
 Big call.
  • 4 1
 marzocchi will win 2015
  • 1 0
 Marz skould have won, their 380 is simply amazing. Dvo is right out there. Those are my favourites.
  • 1 0
 The price of a DVO fork is right out of this world.
  • 2 0
 True, butbut aren't all bike suspension (front/rear) too pricy?
  • 2 0
 What bike is that in the picture?
  • 3 0
 Graves SB6.
  • 1 3
 Are there any bad reviews of products PB tests? No.
The reason being that if they bagged on a product and called it garbage that company would never advertise on PB again. Makes sense. I don't think they are calling companies extorting money for review awards.
  • 3 1
 Or maybe it's just that there's nothing really terrible in the high-end mountain bike market.
  • 3 0
 PIKE
  • 2 1
 The Stage impressed me more then both the pike and the 36. I fact I replaced them with the stage on my own bikes.
  • 2 0
 Never seen so much high speed chatter.
  • 5 6
 Hmm Santa Cruz nomad wins bike of the year and now the fork that it was launched with. Sounds like R.C. brought his MBA marketing tactics to Pinkbike.
  • 1 0
 Pun intended.
  • 5 0
 It actually comes standard with the Pike. The 36 is an option.
  • 2 0
 All drivetrain options on the Nomad are SRAM too.
  • 2 1
 Nailed it!! Best for ever.
  • 5 4
 Didn't spend any time on the MRP Stage in 2014 I guess?
  • 4 1
 Yeah, that was a bit tongue in cheek as I commented in that MRP article.

I just think it's a bit odd that the MRP gets such a brief, dry initial review with several complaints about the axle setup which through experience I can say is as easy just as easy to use and intuitive as a Maxle (benchmark for a great axle). No mention of some pretty revolutionary adjustments or the versatility of being able to run one fork on a 26" or 27.5" bike. The Fox 36 review was incredibly long, detailed, and full of glowing praise and bright photos about all the "new" design features and its versatility. No mention of the huge issues people are seeing with the pitting in the dropouts (forums.mtbr.com/shocks-suspension/2015-fox-36-a-914572-15.html) in the initial review or in this article.

It just makes it seem like it was somehow a foregone conclusion that the 36 was getting this award from the start.
  • 1 0
 it amuses me to see a sram roam ad in the banner above the headline...
  • 3 5
 The Fox 34 has been pretty much universally agreed to have been crap. what did PB say about it? well, you'll be shocked! they loved it!! These PB reviews have become meaningless.
  • 3 1
 3rd time you've made this comment.
  • 1 0
 They tested the version that is only available to certain pro riders. The RAD 34.
  • 3 4
 Hello people did this fork not win the EWS? Give some credit where credit is deserved. All you day dreamers and tire kickers (jobless) stop complaining.
  • 7 1
 Graves won the EWS. The Fox 36 that he was riding at Whistler shat the bed on Stage 1. It's a testament to how good Graves is that he rode that POS fork down the mountain and still won the race. So no, Graves won despite the Fox 36 - not because of it.
  • 1 0
 I. Love. Internet. Forums.
  • 2 0
 1400euros, no thanks
  • 4 4
 Only £300 more than a pike what a f##king bargain !!!!!!!
  • 1 1
 So no more freaking out about how great the Pike is?
  • 1 1
 @mikekazimer Marzocchi 350 NCR for the win in my opinion.
  • 1 0
 Xfusion Vengeance.
  • 3 5
 yea...good product...but i like my fork than this Big Grin
  • 1 2
 Best Fork Ever!!!!
  • 2 4
 POY.... more like POS.
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