Pinkbike Poll: Either / Or... For Life

Jun 9, 2017
by Richard Cunningham  
Either or

Santa Cruz V10 or Iron Horse Sunday?
No turning back on these polls. Make your choices for the rest of your life.

Dual suspension trail bike without a dropper post or a hardtail with a dropper?



Live near the best trails in the world, but only able to ride once a week, or live near crappy trails but ride every day.



Ride a $10,000 trail bike with worn out tires, or a $3,000 trail bike with fresh tires every day.



High-dollar professional racing contract or low dollar-salary as a brand ambassador.



2017 Santa Cruz V 10 with 700 millimeter wide bars or a 2005 Iron Horse Sunday with 800 millimeter bars.


Free bike of your choice every year and wear Spandex, or dress how you please and buy your own bikes.



Group rides with 15 people or only ride by yourself.



Only bike park flow trails or only natural trails.



Ten speed one-by transmission with a clutch rear derailleur or 12-speed with no clutch.



No chamois with a good saddle or good chamois with a bad saddle.




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193 Comments
  • 209 14
 The MTB world has spoken, take your damn earth pavers somewhere else and leave our trails natural. (With the occasional berm and jump in between the rock and root gnar of course) But LEAVE OUR TRAILS ALONE!!!! Britney b*tch.
  • 44 11
 Hey don't exclude the minorities here, some of us would rather be hitting tables and berms all day. I don't know what it's like near you but the majority of trails near me are natural, root filled slip and slides in the wet, yeah its kinda fun but i'd rather hit the jump line.
  • 177 28
 Would you rather: get sex change operation with your penis being changed into a clitoris by a ISIS surgeon in a cave in Tora Bora in Afghanistan, to become a prostitute in East European borthel serving German and Dutch fecal fetishists for a year and then ride 26" wheels for the end of your life, with all life and travel expenses covered OR wish you never read that?
  • 31 4
 I feel that the trendy answer is natural trails, but if you go to most bike parks its the jump/berm trails that are packed with riders. If I had a nickel for every time Ive seen a DH plate on those jump trails......
  • 40 0
 @WAKIdesigns: both?
  • 11 0
 @rockyflowtbay: I think the mix is the key. As a rider you need all skills you can learn, Natural stuff is really great on learning lines and how to flow/read the terrain,but is hard to learn how to jump big table tops or nail a fast corner or go full gas...
  • 19 0
 You can have your cake and eat your fecal fetish too you know. Flow tech, it's the NEEEW STYLE. Its when you start with a natural trail and leave it that way. Sprinkle a few berms on only the really messed up corners and add a few kickers right before the rock gardens and maybe a hip jump here or there off to the side. The point is to leave the ground raw and exposed while making only minor enhancements. If you need heavy machinery your doing it wrong. Except for Waki, he can still use his battery operated devices. BBRRRR. It's time we separate the real MTB trails from the sloped BMX courses.
  • 3 0
 @rockyflowtbay: I think the question was targeting local single track. I love riding slopestyle runs at the bike parks, but I like the single track to be mostly natural tech (with a few berms/kickers).
  • 9 0
 @rockyflowtbay: that's because that's pretty much the reason people go to bike parks is to ride those types of trails but I think most people would get bored with flow trails if that's all they were allowed to ride
  • 6 2
 @rockyflowtbay: berms and jumps are easier to maintain. Scratch that, you can maintain these. Once the natural trail is blown out due to high frequency of use, it's gone.

I love nothing more than a rooty, rocky trail, that is still fast though, where the bike has to do some work. But on the other hand, if said trail was in a bike park, it'd be gone in a month.
  • 5 2
 @Primoz: that is an issue with a track in a bike park but not a world cup track. You can easily run a World Cup on one off circuit. At least in Europe, nature will restore itself quickly, in a matter of 2 years, there will be hardly a sign of a track ever being there.
  • 7 0
 Britney b*tch.
  • 1 0
 @rockyflowtbay: True dat
  • 9 0
 All I ride at bike parks are the flow trails. I can session jumps all day.

I don't get why people who like rough cut natural trails hate us so much for liking to jump our bikes.

@Primoz: Do what now? My local parks have plenty of rough cut natural trails, and AFAIK they are all still open and gnarly as ever. Not every DH run is a swamp like the woods at Fort Bill.
  • 3 1
 @WaterBear: my trails are so bumpy I like a quality flow trail once in a while. My favorite though is mix of both, like Bolderloypa in Hafjell
  • 1 0
 dude.....wth?! I want to change one of my answers.
  • 9 0
 @WaterBear: nobody hates you!

isn't it ok if people like different things? otherwise there wold be only one movie, only one song, only one pizza, that would be boring. imagine a world with only one wheel size for example!!!! LOL

Seriously, the question is why cyclists are so "whats right for me must be right for you and if you don't see it you are an idiot and i hate you"
  • 2 0
 @rockyflowtbay: so true.....
  • 5 3
 @chantalfelten: I've just been to 2 small bike parks and there were indeed many people on flow trails. Haven't met a single soul on natural trails. What the big effin F is there to not like about that?! It was the same with 26" wheels and will be now with 275 carbon downhill bikes - there will be more cheap ass bikes on the market to buy than whiny btches on the internet who don't even know what they are whining about, other than: "it was better than it used to be" - grumpy old men used to say that. Now it's a domain of millenial Whiny willies
  • 5 0
 @WAKIdesigns: ????
  • 6 1
 @rockyflowtbay: I'm guessing most PB readers have the skills to hit natural rawnessss and love it; and/or have been riding long enough to be like "wtf is this pump track in the woods" regarding flowtrails.

But yeah, flowtrails are awesome for the people new to the sport building their base skillset; and I do love them- execpt just as access trails to and from the raw gnar and/or to take the kids and beginner friends.

Strokes for folks and horses for courses...

What drives me up a wall is when a nice raw trails gets trees cut, rocks removed and berms built. Let the raw trail be raw!
  • 3 0
 Its good to mix it up. I like smooth bike park autobahns too. Which is why I go to them 5 or 6 times a year. But does every trail have to be paved? (cough, Lenzerheide, cough) The rest of the time I'm out seeking and destroying the natural gnar.
  • 2 0
 @rockyflowtbay: I think you're right. We used to have acrew riding bike parks every weekend, and probably 3/4 of us would just do jump laps. Myself and another guy would spend half our time with the crew and the other half doing DH laps (i.e. the most natural trails at the bike park).

I will say that if you are at the bike park for a full day of riding (10+ laps), even your above-average rider in good shape will probably start getting beat up by continual DH trail laps. As far as pedaling trails go, a mix is nice but I hate to see how many trail systems are just becoming not challenging.... bunch of little "flowy" jumps and bermed corners. Of course, they are never built to be ridden fast, so it's not even fun like a bike park. If you wanna ride fast you're just pedaling hard, blowing up berms and scrubbing as hard as you can, and when you're all done, it's not like you felt challenged. I grew up riding XC trails with more rocks and roots and tech than some of these new "enduro" and "all mountain" trails they are putting in.
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Funny thing is sometimes the animals start using it! We had an old, semi-legal trail out in Wyoming that never got ridden for several years. Went back to check it out and half the trail was nicely worn in by deer, while some other parts had disappeared entirely.
  • 1 0
 @rockyflowtbay: Sure, because they are a rare sight in the experience of the average rider.
  • 2 0
 @Boardlife69: Amen to that....agree cheers
  • 2 0
 @Boardlife69: so true. as much as I love natural trails, they can almost always be spiced up with a few berms and lips

super frustrating that it seems to be one or the other, not both
  • 3 0
 @dontcoast: Not all flow/jump trails are for beginners? Most good parks have at least one trail with big jumps. Example, Dirt Merchant.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: you had me at fecal!
  • 1 0
 @rockyflowtbay: fair point, was mostly referring what i get to ride- no parks nearby. big hit flow trails are cool, it'd just be a shame to be limited to them
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: kinky!!!!
  • 54 7
 I used to ask around if people had worn out High Rollers, as I preferred minimal central tread and just the side knobbies left. Still rarely replace tires and get every ounce of them that I can! Give me the 10000 bike with some High Rollers with 20% tread left.
  • 19 2
 try the minion SS, it's basically exactly what you want with a lot more life cycle than an 80% torched HR
  • 31 1
 I recently bought a minion SS to replace a worn out DHF.... Major facepalm moment.
  • 4 5
 @el-booto: too heavy these days
  • 4 2
 I love worn out tires, slick as a hell, In my place where i ride pair of Maxxis tires go away for a weekend especially the rear one 40 or 42 DPI not much point to spend a fortune on tires unless im not racing, i like to keep on the pro side slick's forever.....
  • 5 1
 @t3rry: yeah lighter tyres with 300g anti puncture foam inserts are way better! Wink
  • 6 13
flag jaha222 (Jun 9, 2017 at 4:15) (Below Threshold)
 @DragRider: how can people downvote you for sharing your opinion.
  • 1 0
 @t3rry Worn High Rollers = Berm blasters Smile
  • 2 0
 Same with me, I always used stock semi-slick tires so it feels natural.
  • 11 0
 When do I get my new bike?


This is real right?
  • 3 0
 @brotherluke: wearing out the center tread on minions was never my problem, it was always the corner knobs that went first.
  • 1 0
 @nojzilla: I run 890g wicked wills these days with no more punctures than when I ran heavy maxxis
  • 1 1
 @jaha222: and what about your post its going down too.. @jaha222: full of fidget spinners this days !!!
  • 1 0
 @rrolly: Yeah, when do I become a brand ambassador, get my $3,000 trailbike with a great saddle, 1x10, and unlimited tires, and my 2017 V10, all of which I get to ride with friends once a week on the best tech trails in the world? Oh, and the annual free bike! Time to pinch myself...
  • 40 1
 These are the hardest questions I have had to answer today. My brain hurts..... I'm going home!
  • 1 0
 Glad I'm not the only muddy mess.
  • 21 0
 I ride a large Sunday with a slackened head angle and 800mm bars. It shreds, simple as that. Therefore if think it's quiet amusing how the V10 with 700mm bars gets the votes. There are enough people in bike parks who can't even handle the bike with proper bars
  • 8 2
 For average riders (actually, maybe that compliments me...) like me I think 2005 was pretty much the sweet spot in terms of geometry, a little slacker here and there, 740mm wide bars and you're bob on. I'd be faster on that than a new V10 for sure, I'm just not good enough for the new mega long mega slack bikes to be effective for me.
  • 11 2
 I'd take the 700's on the V10 if I could use bar-ends.
  • 6 0
 Yea it's sort of misdirect question. 800 is too wide for most people but 700? I think people forget how narrow that is. Ill take the 800's on a Sunday, any day.
  • 4 1
 +1 ... Don't get me wrong...Id love a V10, but an IH Sunday is something I have on my "to purchase" list anyway. I prefer 760ish bars but no way I could go back to 700...that's a deal breaker no matter how good the bike is.
  • 2 0
 @DARKSTAR63: I was riding 711mm bars until this season. Now on 740's and I still feel like they are a bit too wide. I could be PERFECTLY fine on 700mm bars forever.
  • 1 0
 @TheRaven: With all due respect, is this on a trail bike or a DH bike? At DH speeds? I have a 740 bar, i rode for a bit on an XC machine and that was OK. But not on a DH bike. This of course is subjective and pertains to riding sytle and body type but even smaller riders could take advantage of something wider than 700 and the Sunday is a capable bike in its own right. So my pick would be the "dated" bike with correct width bar as opposed to a fancy carbon bike with a bar that makes it difficult to ride fast.
  • 1 0
 Are all these questions popularity contests in disguise? My bars are at 750mil width and still feel a bit wide. What am I supposed to vote, the bike with the bars too big for me just because that's what the internet says should fit me, regardless of my actual size?
  • 1 0
 My first Mtb in 2011 came with 680mm bars, which I thought felt awesome compared to my friends bike I've been borrowing. The same experience again year or two later when I hopped on the bike with 725mm bars, now here I am with 760s and I think that's perfect for me. Progression is wonderful thing.
  • 1 0
 @WaterBear: You should run whatever is comfortable while keeping an open mind about progression within the sport. Not everything is fashion. I tried to answer these questions truthfully, to have some fun. I can choke up on a 800 (my personal preferred with is 780) a 700 is simply too narrow.
  • 1 0
 @DARKSTAR63: Both...kinda. I currently have 740mm carbon risers on both my Trail bike and my Enduro bike. The trail bike sees everything from gravel paths to rooty dirt singletrack, and the occasional rockfest. The Enduro bike normally handles the rock parties and also handles the DH shuttle days. I was fine with 711mm on DH trails and i'm still fine with 740mm on DH trails.
  • 1 0
 @TheRaven: Well yea, fine is fine. I would certainly survive. Just love my bars at 760-780 it's a huge difference in control to me. But like I said, it's a very personal choice. To each their own.
  • 1 0
 @DARKSTAR63: The question they asked presupposes that everyone wants (or should want) wider bars. That's why the narrower bars went on the nicer bike. What they asked is equivalent to this:

Would you rather have a size M V10 c or a size L 1990 clunker?

I'd rather have the one that fits me, but the question makes it sound like I should be a size M.
  • 1 1
 Yeah I am shocked by people's response on that one. 700mm bars would completely ruin the V10 -- you wouldn't even get close to the bikes potential. On the other hand, the Sunday is still a legit bike and with 800s you could ride the bike to it's max potential
  • 1 0
 I ride 780s on the DH bike, and 740 has never been bad. I'd grip the 700s a little further out and be pretty ok with it
  • 1 0
 800s ftw
  • 1 0
 Cause most people hear like Spandex, they voted for that so ghey, only girls should wear spandex, so why would narrow bars be a surprise with this crowd they talk big but all ride XC bikes!
  • 1 0
 @leftCoastBurn: 99% of the people on the forum would t get close to getting the full potential out of a V10 anyway, so if they prefer 700mm bars then what's the problem?
  • 1 0
 @leftCoastBurn: And there is still so much assumption here. If 800s don't fit they don't fit; Your bar width is not the same as your skill. There are more length comparisons going on here than in a high school boy's locker room.
  • 2 0
 @pimpin-gimp: Granted the Sunday was a world cup winner, even if 10 or so years ago, I'd say 99% of people couldn't get the full potential out of it either.

I'd ride a Sunday now. 800mm, trimmed slightly.
  • 24 4
 "High-dollar professional racing contract"? Unless your last name is Atherton, is a large contract even a thing in mountain biking? I'm curious as to how many professional mountain bikers are out there that strictly only mountain bike and can afford to live off of their contracts and sponsors and whatever other deals?
  • 42 2
 Well the fact that Specialized didn't fork over enough money for Gwin says a little on that matter.
  • 46 4
 @drummuy04: Maybe Gwin got too big and they couldn't screw him over like they do with everyone.
  • 1 0
 Yeah let's take Sam dale for example. The guy is always out of the top 20 and could afford only living with that? Only the top top guys are paid enough
  • 30 1
 Judging by his own photos, old man Cedric is getting by just fine.
  • 1 1
 @RedBurn: Like in every sport, aside from football/soccer.
  • 23 0
 @jollyXroger: Cedric is doing fine based on his investments, not solely on his MTB income.
  • 8 0
 @jollyXroger: Cedric's family is relatively rich from what I can see but I am sure Cedric earned a lot because he was winning during the period where the MTB scene commanded big bucks (the time when grundig et al were sponsors).
  • 15 0
 @jollyXroger: Pretty sure Cedric owns property and businesses which at this point probably contribute more to his net worth than sponsorship... just a guess.
  • 6 0
 When you're being sponsored with bikes, clothes, even cars and meals for half the year, I don't think you need much of a high dollar sallary to live rich on your days off the bike.
  • 5 0
 www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6hnDX-Ba84 Take from this Gwin ~$500k, Minnaar ~$400k, the top-top guys earn plenty, but drops off fast.
  • 1 0
 ...pretty sure Gwin can...
  • 1 0
 @mrkamot:
@mynameiskoko:
@raging-hippo:

All fair points. I don't know about his background or do I care about it either. He's great at what he's doing and seems very skilled at making good living out of it as well.
  • 6 0
 @mynameiskoko: probably doesn't hurt that Cedric lives in Andorra, which is a tax free haven for high earners.
  • 5 0
 @mrognes: trust me it goes far deeper than just eating and clothing. You have to take into account trips, personnal trainers, physio, fitness centers and such facilities, intensive medical support in case of injury, gas, bookings, personal flights from home to your team's country and the list goes on. Not even sure all those costs are covered for the entire top 10, let alone the rest of the field...
  • 5 2
 Bernard Kerr is in 3k debt. Heard they were taking away his property since he can't pay.
  • 3 0
 @jaha222: He paid. It was a dispute with a garage who messed him about on his van repair.

He had the money but disputed the payment and lost in court.
  • 4 0
 Gwin drives a 200000$ car ...
  • 5 0
 @jollyXroger: ya, he still races, but I think Cedric had also reached ambassador status as well. It's a smart move an his part as you can't race forever.
  • 4 3
 Why you taking this poll so seriously, no one will give you 2017 v10 with 700mm bars
  • 1 2
 Yup, the guys who you see doing well consistently (monetarily) are MOSTLY doing so because of the business aspect of their riding, not their results. Someone mentioned Cedric - I'm sure he did well as an athlete but I'm even more sure that it's his branding and marketing of himself and development of side projects, which have given him investment opportunities, that is what has really done the best for his pocket book.
  • 2 0
 @trialsracer: ...And you really think their results have nothing to do with marketing themselves? That's the whole way the industry works, and it's not just biking, its nearly any extreme sport; basically any sport with a sponsor on the athlete's shirt. Soccer, Baseball, Football, those make their money all from ticket sales and some jerseys; but look at professional skateboarding, moto, etc... Any of those athletes are making money through the brands that sponsor them. The number of sponsors, and amount of money they get from each one is going to largely be based on how well they do. In other words, if a guy can market himself really well via social media for example, but sucks balls at racing and is never qualifying for finals, a major bike company isn't gonna want to put their name behind him as much cause it makes them look bad. The unique exceptions are guys like Matt Hunter who are ONLY paid for marketing and not for any type of measured performance.
  • 1 1
 @shaun-ridefast-michael: Not necessarily, Of course the winners are getting more money but people like Sam Pilgrim haven't won much recently but are still the ambassadors for their company, because they're entertaining. Also everyone in the fest series is still sponsored because of how much it gets watched.
  • 1 0
 @jaha222: Yea, the guys in fest series are sponsored, I never said they wouldn't get any sponsor if they're not winning constantly. But think about it, if Andreu for example wins the next 2 rampages, he's going to get more sponsors and more money per sponsor than someone who's 5th or 7th consistently. Sponsors are going to try to headhunt the top dog, and the typical way to do that is with more $.

Now, yes there's exceptions. In this case Cam Zink, who likely won't be winning much since he's a bit past his prime, but he has the following of a person who's winning all the time, and he puts on big, unique events like his 100' backflip record that was aired on ESPN. That kind of thing, in the eyes of a sponsor, is the same as winning a popular event like rampage; but people like that are few and far between.
  • 17 0
 Sunday all day. Total game changer both bike and rider. Steve peat on a v 10 versus Sam Hill on a Sunday. Both at the peak of their powers in 2008 and sam showed the world what he and that bike could do at val di sol. Sam was never the same rider after iron horse imo.
  • 7 2
 Oh and I have the best Sunday out there lol check in my photos if you're into Sunday's
  • 5 5
 @mikelee: You have an OK sunday.

Nothing more.
  • 5 0
 I would be too afraid to ride a 700mm bar anyway
  • 3 0
 @mikelee: with an 888 too...nice!
  • 3 0
 @Warburrito: those evo ti are the best. So supple. Colour matched to the rear end.
  • 2 0
 I don't think the question was regarding a 08 v10
  • 15 0
 Thanks PB we need more silliness like this.
  • 15 0
 1. Gwin 2. Minnaar 3. Bruni 1. Hannah 2. Seagrave 3. Carpenter
  • 7 1
 I think you are looking for the enduro fantasy buddy......
  • 5 0
 @rockyflowtbay: Or maybe he's posing a "which would you pick" question of his own.
  • 6 0
 @rockyflowtbay: poor guy is probably at work, has three PB tabs open that he doesn't want his boss to see, and was just trying to get his fantasy picks in, but clicked the wrong tab.
  • 14 1
 People seriously wear shorts with ass padding in them? I thought that was just for roadies. Lol.
  • 11 2
 Hell yeah they do, they get a free bike of their choice every year
  • 4 0
 I wear shorts with padding in them, thing is, the padding IS my ass
  • 6 1
 If you've never tried a bib before it is a magical experience. A high quality bib is amazing, keeps everything nice and tight, wicks moisture, it's great. Much better than when I used to just ride in baggies and spandex briefs. Now I ride in baggies with a bib underneath, lots of people do it for a reason.
  • 1 0
 @BullMooose: bibs for life
  • 2 0
 How far do you guys ride? I know you can, uh, "break yerself in down there"... callus up, etc. But I just find it so much nicer to do longer rides with chamois. I would die doing a 3 hour, 4000ft day without padding
  • 2 4
 @BullMooose: No thanks. As soon I need to start wearing a pad because my tooshie hurts is when I'll stop riding. Awwww, all the bumps hurt yer little bum? If your butt hurts, stand up and actually pedal. I met a guy who wore one. He told me he gets "uneasy" when his tires break traction. We don't ride anymore.
  • 1 0
 @trialsracer: I do 4500 to 5000 vert without chamois. Took a suggestion from the bikepacking community and got a leather selle anatomica, by far the most comfortable seat i've found without using chamois for endurance riding. Now I understand why leather seats are so popular with touring bikes, when the leather flexes its like extra suspension.
  • 3 0
 @AZRyder: Wow you are so manly.
  • 2 1
 @BullMooose: No, I'm just not a bitch.
  • 1 0
 I wear spandex under my cutoff khakis, still looks and feels fine
  • 10 1
 ...This boils down to: "what can we most effectively market to you next?"....
  • 7 0
 "Live near the best trails in the world, but only able to ride once a week, or live near crappy trails but ride every day." I live near crappy trails and only ride once a week as it is. #dadlife
  • 10 1
 Sram or Shimano, Fox or Rockshox. Now have at it boys!
  • 48 0
 I'll have Sramano and RockFox please.
  • 5 5
 @bigtim: Personally I'm a Shiram and FoxShox kind of guy.
  • 5 0
 Pre 2010 ZOKE FTW!!! Runs for cover with the last remaining spare parts.
  • 8 0
 Suntour groupo on RST shocks!
  • 2 0
 @Boardlife69:

So you want the hilariously bad bushings from 08-09?
  • 2 0
 @9M119M1: Damn is my memory (puff-puff) that bad? Yes I meant before that.
  • 2 0
 @Boardlife69: Marzocchi doesn't seem bad after 2010 models either, or is there more I'm missing? My mate runs a 2013 888 and it feels fantastic and it's been way more reliable than his newer boxxer
  • 1 0
 @Boardlife69: 08-09 were the worst years for Marzocchi lol
  • 2 0
 @9M119M1: all zokes from 2010 onwards were amazing. Better than both fox and rockshox. All the reviews said they were the best but they just weren't cool enough for the riding community. Even after years of fault free riding. I loved my 888 evo ti 2012.
  • 9 0
 I want one of those Sundays so bad.
  • 3 0
 A few of these are actual choices I've made in life. Living by amazing trails but only riding once a week (sometimes less). Choosing a 1X10 with a clutch vs 12spd and no clutch (too many sram failures, went back to the trusty shimano.
  • 8 0
 Dont touch my sunday
  • 7 0
 A lot of people sold their soul to the spandex quite quickly.
  • 2 1
 It was a really tough call but I went with baggies! Dignity reigns!
  • 1 0
 A lot of people put their pride above free money for not having to do very much. People will make fun of my spandex, till they see me rolling on my FREE pimp bike.
  • 2 2
 Men buying spandex should require a PERMIT.... who wants to look at that "show". I don't buy the comfort argument either, otherwise I would show up to ride in my pajamas.
Men wearing spandex on the trail (outside of professional athletes) is like going to the beach being surrounded by men wearing speedos. Add a lot of sweat to this image and its now complete.
No free bike is worth the agony that your fellow riders must endure as a result - lol.
  • 1 0
 @vokes: wear baggies over ya spandex? Fixed all of the world's problems.
  • 4 0
 Be poor for the rest of your life and ride the best trails in the world or go back home, own a house, build a family and live a prosper life with ok trails rideable 4 months a year?

Real life decision
  • 7 0
 Clipless pedals with flat shoes or clipless shoes with flat pedals...?
  • 2 0
 Good lord don't torture me.
  • 2 0
 The saddle or Chamois one cracks me up. My trail bike has a heavily padded Serfas saddle on it and always has. People make fun of me for it, too. But you know what? They all have multiple pairs of $50 riding shorts that they slather shammy butter all over. Meanwhile I'm riding Wal-mart athletic shorts for $10 and am comfortable for a long day's ride without having to act out a porno in the bathroom before every ride.
  • 5 0
 Hmmmm reminds me of the game "fuc£ or marry"
  • 4 0
 You forgot 'kill'.
  • 5 1
 @iamamodel: Always KILL!
  • 1 0
 @lee-vps-savage: Kill Kill Kill
  • 3 1
 How can one simply choose one or the other. If i was stuck with those shitty choices id probably just stop biking all together. I enjoy all elements of the sport so I could never choose one or the other
  • 1 0
 Richard, were you drunk? I'm not angry, I know everyone can have these days when you're bored, it is cold and wet outside, you're knackered and alone. What do you do? Get on PB and post some bullshit. It is fine, it sure makes you feel better. Now that the sun is out, the weekend is here (or almost, depending on where you live), grab a fistfull of socks and get on your bike. You'll get better, don't worry.
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 I miss my Sunday...
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 Sure i'd pick daily rides. Shitty trails can be improved or just strat from scratch and build something you love to ride.
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 That's not the game, you decide which one you have for life. You can't change things.
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 And what if the trails are owned by the city and they destroy anything you add or fix? Try living in Indianapolis. You'll be making that journey South as often as you can.
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 Nothing better than the only thing you need to do is put your shoes and lid on and go for a spin so yeah epic trails, good seat buy my own bike ect . On a side note dickies work pants make great bike shorts
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 As a jeans wearing, singlespeed hardtail riding loner, with no dropper and a plastic seat... I'm left baffled by how soft we have become.
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 No judgement here, but a guy at our local DH run landed a jump wrong, shattered his plastic seat, and sliced open his thigh and...groin area. 911 was called. IMO ditch your plastic seat for safety.
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 Top missing question from the poll:
"29 or 27.5 v10?"

And once you have that bike:
"50x$10 shuttle runs or a season pass to the bike park?"
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 Where I live the natural tread trails tend to have the most break bumps, and the flowy, bermy, jump lines tend to keep the break bumps in check.
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 Those who answered a full suspension with no dropper, simply have never ridden a good hardtail before...Honzo!
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 Nah it's just that around here most of the riding is a long climb then a long descent. It's not that hard to have a quick release on your seatpost and just manually put it down at the top.
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 Dayum! Those were some cruel questions!! Big Grin Pretty well chosen options...
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 Living near good trails and riding daily for the win
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 Jokes on the poll maker for the V10 vs. Sunday... I run super cut-down bars anyway so the the V10 is a no brainer! Big Grin
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 Those were properly good questions! There were some good topics as well! Keep 'em coming!
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 Fortunately life isn't binary and I will never have to make those choices. Ever.
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 I don't know if you guys realize how narrow 700mm bars are.
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 A lot of you clearly have never ridden a Sunday.
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 Exactly. It's like someone asking if you wanted a KX 450 four stroke with slick tires or a KX 125 2 stroke with fresh knobs and everyone picked the 450????

Most of these tarts on here have never ridden a Sunday so they think it's some short travel turd! 70mm bars on a V10? Point it in a straight line and keep your elbows tucked and pray the trail doesn't get faster than 15mph?
Or a Sunday you could still go out and win a World Cup on right NOW! MO- RONS!
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 No one except a few pinkbike all stars riding Sundays. It must be because they're so awesome.
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 @thedeathstar: I've got one......and it's in PINK.....and I'm a dude......
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 @CornishKiwi: ????
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 @thedeathstar: I'm not sure you realize how narrow 700mm is. The Sunday might weigh 40lbs, but was an incredibly fun bike, even by today's standard.
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 Sunday's rip even by today's standards! I still have my 2009 but it's been retired. Switched to a v10 and it's an awesome bike but it just can't jump like a Sunday! One day I plan to bring the Sunday back to life Big Grin
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 @ski-or-die: I do realize. That's why I voted for the Sunday. The joke is how upset some people are getting about the Sunday being the shitty part of that equation.
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 @bizutch: I was commenting that I have a Sunday and it's Pink and I'm a bloke....funny.....shes a sweet as ride
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 @CornishKiwi: Wish i never sold mine in a way. I do have a TurnerDHR, the evolution of the Sunday and love it. But sadly, no 27.5 version will be made
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 Who would want a bad saddle?
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 I guess they really want to keep their diapers
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 Nipple sized penis or penis sized nipples?
  • 1 0
 tied my brain up in a knot.
  • 1 0
 both?
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 that was fun.
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 Best pole ever on Pinkbike. Rubber gimme fresh Maxxis rubber MY LAWD!
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 "Best pole ever on Pinkbike."

You bragging, Waki?
  • 1 0
 Iron Horse was a great design! Bring it back!
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 My XC bike has 740mm bars and a dropper post....
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 So do some ews bikes. Good for you.
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 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: that was the point. XC isn't 585 bars with bar ends and road bike geometry anymore.
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 Is this Mountain Bike Action?
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 Some tough questions lol
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 Silly poll.
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 Sit on cake and eat c0ck or;
Sit on a c0ck and eat cake????
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