Wake up and be able to ride like Brandon Semenuk or Aaron Gwin?
Tomorrow morning, would you rather wake up to either a new bike or to new trails? We've prepared a fresh round of either/or polls to help you get out of the doldrums of winter and into the spirit of the upcoming riding season. But, choose wisely. My Old-World grandmother warned me to be careful with what I wished for in winter, because if it did come true, I would be stuck with my choice for the rest of the year.
Having had both situations happen (front tire literally blew off with a sound like a shotgun, and brake went all the way to the bar on a fast strep downhill), is take the brake failure any day. Judicious use of the front and good use of terrain will stop you gently. There was no coming back from that front tire blow out.
@dthomp325: It is. Front flat, you can always put the rear anchors on. Plus front tyres deflate less fast because the hole's generally not as big, so more time to get stationary. Tbh, none of this is provable without some Levy v. Kaz action.
A front flat can be repaired, a rear brake that fails leads to a certain crash when you lock-up the front break and you are bound to return home at half-speed. I've had both, I prefer the blow-out.
No time to think. Front tire goes, no chance of recovery. You hit the ground almost the instant things go wrong.
Lose the rear brake..... That's a lot of time to think as you're headed straight into a tree. I'd rather my crashes come out of nowhere, less scary that way. Not a huge fan of the "I'm about to die" feeling
@BenPea: in the question is "high speed downhill"... and front flat in a tenth of a second... really scary experience! rather lost rear brake, than lost life
@BenPea: This one... what universe are you riding in?! Your steering comes mostly from your front wheel not the back and contrary to that braking is done mostly from the front rather than the back... You are talking about a front tire leak, the question said front tire blow out. If a front tire blows out there is no recovering...
@kevinseven: I agree with you, if a crash is a certainty. But, I've lost my rear brake (on chutes and ladders at Angel fire) and you can slow down plenty fine using just a front brake. Just don't panic, keep riding the trail and bring it to a stop. When I blew off my front tire I was in the ground before I even knew what happened.
@pcmxa: funny, I had both too (not same time!). Loosing the brake on fading, you can anticipate. But loosing the brake otherwise is really scary. To realize you have no rear brake in the moment when you need it is scary! As for the tire, usually, you have more time to adapt to the situation. And it's only the front tire, you should use your wyn-wheelie skill
One time I crashed and bent my rear rotor. Decided to remove the rear rotor and finish the descent with the front brake only. That was scary as hell! And I didn’t do everything on the bike, had to walk down some sections. I’ll take the front flat anytime
I've run out of logical arguments. The best one I've seen is hit the ground vs. hit a tree. This is all based on the one time I tried a 500 m descent with no rear pads. The steep bits were horrid.
But I still want to see a test under controlled conditions.
@BenPea: I had my rear brake pads fall out (... forgot the pin... stop judging me) and was surprised that i was still able to keep riding at idk 80% normal pace. I've never be able to successfully keep riding with a flat front. Might be different if you are bombing down a steep DH run, but even there idk the front flat still seems scarier to me.
I bottomed my fork and burped my front tire at Steamboat a couple of years ago. Took a loooooong flight before bellyflopping hard and busting a rib.
A blown front tire on the down is a guaranteed trip to the pain cave. At least with a brake failure you can steer and have a chance to ditch the bike in a controlled manner.
Maybe on a giggle trail a front flat wouldn't have consequences, but on any kind of steep descent get the camera out for a Friday Fail reel!!
@freestyIAM: a dusty trail doesnt have to be very steep to be very scary without a rear brake! You can barely brake without locking the front wheel. And it gets very difficult to control both your speed and your steering! With a front flat you still have some traction and braking power from both wheels.
Ill take the brake gone before front flat. Ive done that at the local bp. Lost both caliper mounting bolts somewhow. Only an hour left in the park being open. Ziptied the caliper to the seatstay out of the way rode the rest of the day with only the front brake. Big front flat blow out is o.t.b, squirly minimum.
This is something that is wrong with the whole quiz, but with this question in particular their is a huge difference between a blow-out and a flat. A blue out is a sudden and total loss of pressure, usually coupled with the tire leaving the rim. A flat is a slower phenomena where the air leaks out over a few seconds or longer and the tire stays on the rim.
For the same location... For flat vs no rear brakes. I'd take the flat every time. For blow out vs no rear brakes I'd take the no rear brakes.
But that's part of the problem. They switched pretty important terms between question and answer.
@pcmxa: I think you hit the nail on the head... people who think "flat" say the brake is worse and people who think "blow out" think that would be worse... I guess both camps are correct at this point. I didn't realize they had phrased it both ways, I've been thinking blow out this whole time personally.
@millsr4: problem is most "blow out" examples in this thread seem to be a result of hitting a rock or other obstacle at high speed, so hard to tell if the crash is a result of the blow out or if they would have crashed anyway.
Personally I've gotten many flat front tires riding and racing DH, and none of them have resulted in a crash. Flat tires can also be quickly repaired, while whatever causes a brake to suddenly fail probably means you're done for the rest of the day.
@dthomp325: my blow out was on a dirt corner. No impact. Just too much pressure on the turn for that the rim combo. It literally sounded like a shotgun going off and then I was riding on the front rim (for the quarter second it took that to slide out). Absolutely no chance at all to save it. I agree it is more common for people to have a catastrophic failure hitting something and your right that that could cause the crash too, but blow outs happen and is take a rear break failure any day.
I lost my rear brake and had a front flat tyre on the same ride, I shit you not. Both are scary as hell, but not having a rear brake is slightly more bearable than face planting full speed
@BenPea: @BenPea: When's the last time you tried to steer with a blown front tire? Obviously you never have You can use the front brake to slow down, and throw the bike sideways to scrub speed and turn
@ghost-shifter: When I hear the term blow out, I think catastrophic instant loss of pressure in the front tire. Think of an explosion not a hiss. Usually the tire blows completely off the wheel. So no time to react and you are literally riding a on your rim for traction. That doesn't last long at all. When it happened to me. It was a shotgun like BOOM followed by me hitting the dirt. No time to react and I only understood what happened on retrospect. When my rear brake went to the bars, I was on the top of a platform rolling into a 50-60 foot 30to 40 degree slope that had a hard left wall ride at the end of it. Definitely an Oh-Sh*T moment. but, luckily, that section of track was built to keep your speed up and I could use the front brake to essentially bail me out of it. There are lot's of other places where the outcome would have been a bit different, like on a gnarly rooty section I ride regularly, where you have to roll through a shoot with some speed then get on the brakes hard to not essentially send a 40 foot drop. the back going out there would be catastrophic. But given a choice between the two, I'll take the back going out most of the time, just cause I have a front and other ways to adjust the situation. My experience with front wheel blow outs (not flats) is that's is it. your done.
@dthomp325: I've had an old 2.7 Nevegal blow off a front wheel because the bead had worn/ripped. Wouldn't even hold a tube afterwards.. Oh, yeah. Hit the slick rock pretty good that day. Drifting/powerslide slows you down! No rear brake F.T.W!
I had my rear brake fail at killington last year in the middle of the jump trail. Thankfully I was able to take it easy the rest of the way down. If it was a blown front tire, I probably would have gone over the handlebar.
People choosing front flat are probably thinking slow leak. Anyone that has had a tire come off the rim before they can even stop knows it is way worse.
A front flat wont kill you. You hear it happen. You wont find out about no brakes until you need them. I have been in both situations and I can remember the time I got a front flat, I cant remember the time I lost my brakes.
My brakes are such sh!t that I lose the rear all the time and now expect it not to be there for me. Reminds me I should go bleed the brakes before today's ride.
@pcmxa: According to experts and coaches. We should be using the front most of the time anyway. I have never been able to completely wrap my head around this skill. And....I'm slow. So figure the into my response too.
Your three favorite trails, completely buffed out? I don't get the dumbing down of trails to make them flow trails. That is what suspension and skills are for. Keep the trails raw and technical.
I took it as "fix the takeoffs and landings for jumps, fix trail damage, etc." not like remove features but restore them to what they originally were like.
I guess I was thinking nice berms without braking bumps, not rocks removed. I don't want sanitized trails, but I can only pray for a day in the bike park without brake bumps.
@JakinM: coming from dh racing past, i enjoy riding the same trails/sections over and over again, perfecting it everytime. Riding an unknown trail, i’m too scared and focused on what is coming up instead of the actual riding and fun part.
@jefe: I live near Santa Cruz. Several trails that were rocky and technical were buffed to be smooth wide flow trails or fire roads with cheese grader gravel.
@BenPea: yes. It would not be normal for organisms like humans not to warm it up. Free will does not exist. Cold death of the universe is inevitable. Holly Michaels is amazing,
If you had to, Rampage or Fest question legit scared me when I started to think about it. I looked around to make sure no one was watching me answer and holding me to it.
At least with rampage all the speed you'll get comes from the fall, at fest you're already going fast enough to kill yourself before you even hit the jumps
Having seen Rampage in person, trust me, Fest series is the less deadly option. You can die on a Rampage run before you even hit a drop or jump (by veering even slightly off course and falling off a cliff). At least with Fest you know you will make it to the takeoff of a jump.
@Andrew9696: My exact same reasoning. I chose Fest. Would rather have nicely sculpted jump lines, even if they are massive, then falling off of cliffs, riding down those rocks, and still dealing with massive sketchy jumps/drops
I did not even get most of the questions, I never really felt like I liked the question or the answer That 33 pounder was a mind-twister though, my DJ bike is 30 pounds.
You know these surveys are bullshit when a majority choose a new bike rather than a full sponsorship but on the next two questions choose the better conditions rather than better gear... At least it shows a majority of people on PB are gapers who don't realize when they contradict themselves.
you're totally wrong, buddy, some people really love to buy or build a perfect bikes and it's their's choice, so what's wrong with this? At least that kind of people bring money to our industry...
Tippie and the boys did some pretty amazing stuff back in the day with their "old school skills". I wouldn't exactly call them hacks. Go back and give them a long slack bike and I'm sure they would have progressed even faster.
@cool3: yep I’m an old hack with a sweet new Slash... kinda had to click that one, I’ve enjoyed the journey here and hope to keep hacking it up while I can.
@scott-townes: You complained about people contradicting themselves, then cited several of the questions as if they were mutually exclusive. I was pointing out that it's quite easy to see a logical priority of desires if you took the time.
I answered that one but I don’t inderstand why old-school skills (steep, slow, control, experience) make me a hack? I don’t win races but I sure as sureness don’t feel like a hack.
@cool3: I'm still undecided if new school geometry is any better. Old school bikes make you lean back to keep from going otb, while new school bikes make you lean forward to keep the front tire from washing out. Seems like trading one problem for another.
@scott-townes: I chose a new bike because I really don't want the constraints of sponsorship like, you can travel an compete the world cup but you have to lie about how awesome is a bike you hate
@dthomp325: Trance 29 seems kinda middle school, except for the old STA. Hopefully forward STA/weight rotation on yr beta Smash will mean you don't have to lean. Should present quite the contrast to Wreck.
I was one of those: i think that the DH World Cup is a cooler accomplishment and it would be awesome to feel like you're the fastest guy in the world at that moment.
But if I'm just going out and riding, it would be pretty amazing to be able to do it like Semenuk. Obviously, it would be amazing to be able to ride like Gwin too, but Semenuk's riding just seems like such a blast.
@mate1998: I do realize there is no right and wrong answer. I also realize that people are wanting to be a DH race champ over a freeride champ, but when presented with a choice between an actual DH champ and a freeride champ, they choose the freeride champ. Pretty damn funny and probably the reason that most amatuer freeriders buy DH race bikes, not freeride bikes!
@Grealdo: who am I underestimating - the average PBer? Im making no judgement on the two individuals. I'm merely pointing out two answers running completely counter to each other. I would bet they could have added a 3rd option in the survey and winning an EWS chaionship would have come in third, behind Rampage, yet being Sam Hill probably would have exceeded the votes for Semenuk.
Sorry that there is no website for XC junkies but PB is trying to accommodate even your ilk going forward. I’ll be following the women’s XCO bc it not as boring as the Nino show.
Great questions would love to see someone XCing in a full DH kit. (Oh wait I rode at Swinley once...) Corners over wheelies anyday but jumps or turns was the one I had to think about most.
I was a little confused by this one assuming that they meant a smart rider. What's the advantage of being smart if not going fast? If i'm the fastest, I must be pretty good at line choice.
Now if I'm the smartest person in the world who rides mountain bikes, I guess that would make me pretty smart which would help me outside of riding, but I'm not sure that's what they meant.
@mikeSC: I can ride fine w/o a rear brake... losing the front makes me uncomfortable... on the other hand, riding down the trail and my front wheel goes... just look how Minnaar broke his arm, for example.
@JakinM: I’m not thinking you two interpreted it the same. Loopie I read it like you. To me it seemed like “which would you rather have happen when you’re going Mach chicken on a trail.” Front tire blowout just seems so much harder to save.
The real question is, would you rather have a front blowout on a rampage line, riding an old bike with fresh tires – or loose your rear brake riding a Fest line after receiving skills coaching from Mike.
I'll take new school skills and an old school bike. Why? Because all I can afford is a 2005 Cannondale Prophet. Nothing even close to stock on it though. Skills include slow mo endos, cornering like a dump truck, climbing like a wheezy goat, and fun in a flying meat wagon. Where do I sign?
Lost my rear break at high speed once. Still had a few seconds to think, which is a lot of time in DH mode, and managed to pull off a decent save. But when my front tire blew out after a huck to flat, I was in a world of pain.
"Podium at World Cup XC races or barely qualify at World Cup DH races?" The answers to this question have just perfectly quantified what has become the average Pinkbiker (it should never be that close) #makepinkbikegreatagain
We need to build a wall between the true Pinkbikers and the people that are coming and stealing all the space for quality content. If we make a new site for downcountry and ebikes Pinkbike will be great again. #makepinkbikegreatagain
I already corner like Bryn and wheelie like Wyn. I’ll send it down Rheeder’s Rampage line anytime. I do it on my steel hardtail so that I can leave the venue styling in my MacLaren. Shredding like Aaron and Brandon every night and then I wake up! Steel hardtail is still there in the garage but the MacLaren is conspicuously absent.... ????
I agree about the drug or cheat one. and KOM is king of the mountain (fastest time on a certain segment), but I didn't answer those either because strava is for the dogs
My biggest crash was because of a front flat, when you actually realize that your front tire is flat, it's already tangled up in the fork and you're already flying in the air.
No waterbottle space and pinkbike comments section or two water bottles and dentist comments about new eremote saddle post order time isn’t enough fast for life
Semenuk has a tight pad! Also, have you ever tried driving a Mclaren around SoCal stoned? Anxiety attack coupled with self-conscious insecurity - it wasn't fun. Everyone was looking at me.
Travel to the pine forests of British Columbia and hold up high your offering of assorted donuts and three times shout FREE DONUTS ! ....He will appear from the mist.
I have a bike I like (HB160. Insurance payout, don't judge) I ride trails I like year round, day and night (Chopwell) Never gonna ride big I'd ride full face road for shits n giggles
What sort of person stalks someone, that they've never even met, to make up some pathetic bullshit for the internet? Definitely deficient in something, wtf.
@peleton7: LOL. Want to see the snowmobile rack with the splitboard on it? You skin from the parking lot. I skin from the wilderness boundary. Guess who gets to the goods faster?
@Sycip69er: It's not just about getting goods. Areas where sledding has increased near me, the moose and other critters have moved entire drainages to avoid the noise.
Someplace largely devoid of roads like B.C. or Alaska a sled is worthwhile. In the lower 48, most stuff worth skiing is a reasonable tour in......and silence is nice.
@BenPea: I say what's on my mind. Sometimes people dig it, sometimes I get some massive downvotes. Here for discussion, not to be the most popular guy.
That saying is from ta DuPont Chemical ad slogan from the 1930's and used by hippies in the 1960's to laff about drugs. The people who run PB are in their 80s
Nope, there's no over-thinking - this entire page is a grab for engagement clicks to inflate the numbers of PB's visits/clicks/time spent on the site, etc.. on a seemingly slow news day. It's science.
Here's the math: 15 clicks per unique visitor, combined with the 10-15mins it takes to read everything. THIS is one of the many ways PB pays the bills. And everyone participating are the sugar daddy's.
@NYShred: f*ck it man, I know we're all unsuspecting patsies in this capitalist circle jerk, but this is surprisingly interesting a survey. Even if it's just for 5 minutes. Beats watching mountain biking on f*cking snow. Cost me nothing but a few brain cells too.
Plus front tyres deflate less fast because the hole's generally not as big, so more time to get stationary.
Tbh, none of this is provable without some Levy v. Kaz action.
Lose the rear brake..... That's a lot of time to think as you're headed straight into a tree. I'd rather my crashes come out of nowhere, less scary that way. Not a huge fan of the "I'm about to die" feeling
and front flat in a tenth of a second... really scary experience! rather lost rear brake, than lost life
I’ll take the front flat anytime
With a front flat you still have some traction and braking power from both wheels.
Personally I've gotten many flat front tires riding and racing DH, and none of them have resulted in a crash. Flat tires can also be quickly repaired, while whatever causes a brake to suddenly fail probably means you're done for the rest of the day.
I still picked the brake option, cause I can't imagine it would have been any better with a front blowout.
I’m not sure if most are jokers or terrible riders, but the comments don’t give me hope. #skillsclinic
@BenPea:
When's the last time you tried to steer with a blown front tire?
Obviously you never have
You can use the front brake to slow down, and throw the bike sideways to scrub speed and turn
Drifting/powerslide slows you down! No rear brake F.T.W!
@lehott: an army of Jamiroquais? Yeesh...
Apologies if my comment caused any offence.
Process.
At least that kind of people bring money to our industry...
LOL wtf did you just write?
But if I'm just going out and riding, it would be pretty amazing to be able to do it like Semenuk. Obviously, it would be amazing to be able to ride like Gwin too, but Semenuk's riding just seems like such a blast.
Sorry that there is no website for XC junkies but PB is trying to accommodate even your ilk going forward. I’ll be following the women’s XCO bc it not as boring as the Nino show.
Corners over wheelies anyday but jumps or turns was the one I had to think about most.
Now if I'm the smartest person in the world who rides mountain bikes, I guess that would make me pretty smart which would help me outside of riding, but I'm not sure that's what they meant.
-Ghandi
I'd like to see a brand new bike worth all of the work put into home trails...
Chuck Norris or
Brett Tippie
But then down further ppl wanted the COM over the COD??
This is either Fake News or Voter Fraud....???
New trails > Kom > Cod. You can not care about one thing and not care even less about another thing.
I ride trails I like year round, day and night (Chopwell)
Never gonna ride big
I'd ride full face road for shits n giggles
Means nowt without health.
Someplace largely devoid of roads like B.C. or Alaska a sled is worthwhile. In the lower 48, most stuff worth skiing is a reasonable tour in......and silence is nice.
Bring the GWINENUK choise Pinkbike!
Here's the math: 15 clicks per unique visitor, combined with the 10-15mins it takes to read everything. THIS is one of the many ways PB pays the bills. And everyone participating are the sugar daddy's.