Pinkbike Poll: How is the COVID-19 Pandemic Impacting You?

Mar 20, 2020
by Daniel Sapp  
Thomas Vanderham This is home visiting his childhood hometown of Edmonton Alberta
Sterling Lorence Photo - Thomas Vanderham's 'This Is Home'

The current COVID-19 pandemic has undoubtedly changed the way that we go about our daily lives. The virus has rapidly spread across the globe, bringing travel and business as we knew it to a halt. It has tragically taken lives and forced many to adapt to new realities.


As the world struggles to suppress the spread of COVID-19, please follow the guidelines of your local health authorities. Even if you don’t have the virus and live in a place without restrictions on outdoor recreation, please do not ride dangerously. Bike-related hospital visits put additional stress on local medical systems and put riders at increased risk of exposure; do not undertake any activities that put you or others at risk.


Pinkbike is a global community, and we wanted to check in and seeing how everyone is doing. How has your life changed in recent days? Let us know below and feel free to comment if you have positive suggestions or tips for making the best of these difficult times. Is there something you'd like to see from us (besides the Grim Donut) in the coming weeks? We're all in this together.





Has your work situation changed?
Many people are working longer or shorter hours or are out of work all together at the moment due to businesses being closed. Some are continuing on but working remotely from home (we'll ask that next).

Has your work situation changed?



Are you working from home?
Are you still going into work? Are you newly working from home? Or have you always worked from home?

Are you working from home?



Have your plans for purchasing new bike parts changed?
Priorities for many have been realigned, but for many people the bike is a critical part of life and sanity.

How have your plans for purchasing a new bike or parts in the next year changed?



Have your travel plans changed?
Did you have to cancel a trip you have planned or are you still holding out at this point?

Have your travel plans changed?



Are you able to ride?
Certain governments have imposed restrictions on their citizens practicing self-quarantining and on travel. Some people are not allowed to leave their homes and some don't want to. Some trail networks have closed and others are inaccessible. Many people are deciding that riding is too risky as an accident may land them in the ER, further stressing already burdened facilities. Can you get out on the trails or are you stuck inside, or practicing wheelies in your yard?

Are you still able to ride?



Has the amount of time you're spending on the bike increased or decreased?
Are you riding more or less than a couple of months ago or than you would typically be riding this time of year? Are restrictions and necessities taking priority over your normal ride time?

Has the amount of time you're spending riding increased or decreased?



Are you spending time training indoors?
There are a number of ways to stay fit and help your mental sanity, even indoors. Are you doing push-ups and pull-ups? Are you hitting the weights? Riding the trainer? Or none of the above?

Are you spending time training indoors?



What events would you be most disappointed to see canceled?
There is an enormous list of canceled events at this point, reaching a few months out. What would you be most disappointed to not be watching or taking a part in?

What events would you be most disappointed to see cancelled?



Are you eating better or worse?
With many restaurants closed and more people having to come up with food at home, are you eating better or worse than you typically would?



Are you cooking more or less?
Are you perfecting your culinary skills at home by cooking more or are you cooking less than normal, for whatever reason?



Have you or anyone you know personally contracted COVID-19?
Have you contracted the virus, or do you know someone who has?

Has anyone you know contracted COVID-19?



Do you foresee lasting impacts on the way you recreate?
Do you think it will be life as normal or will things be quite a bit different in the future?

How much will this impact the way you and others recreate?



When do you predict your life will return more to what you consider normal?
Things are changing by the hour. When do you think we'll be back to a more normal rhythm of life?

When do you think life will return to relative normalcy?




746 Comments

  • 656 11
 All I know is, I’d feel a lot better about quarantine if I could watch that Grim Donut video.
  • 20 4
 preach!
  • 21 2
 Yeah and a MRP Bartlett on the Grim Donut
  • 1 1
 @7pirate: oof. that would be dirty!
  • 116 7
 All I know is that I'd feel a lot better if you all washed your damn hands and stayed home.
  • 19 4
 The Grim Donut spawned Covid. It never should have been eaten.

#thisisirresponsiblefakenews
  • 46 1
 Grim Donut huck to snap video anyone?
  • 6 7
 two things to make this situation better... 1. Grim Donut 2. No more fucking earth quakes, god damn it.
  • 4 3
 Up vote the shit out of this guys. Make a political statement. Yeah. Like the Swan and Peado.
  • 19 1
 @IamTheDogEzra: says the one who's idea of washing is licking his whole body, right after licking his ass hole....
  • 3 0
 @scott-townes: seriously, the epicenter of the 5.6 was only a few miles from us, I was outside filling the duck pond and “boom! Sounded like a bomb went off and then things started moving.

End days no doubt.
  • 2 0
 Statistic shows more people still riding outside like it's safe.
  • 3 8
flag telemarc67 (Mar 20, 2020 at 21:23) (Below Threshold)
 @IamTheDogEzra: wash your dick while your at it.
  • 1 0
 @IamTheDogEzra: Cant...Gotta ride bikes!
  • 12 1
 @takeiteasyridehard @telemarc67 @bohns1

Easy my dudes. Your mom's peanut butter supply is getting pretty low and in these dark times I should really stick to kibble.
  • 4 2
 @IamTheDogEzra: I think telemarc67 is just jealous he's not as flexible as you are.
Unfortunately I just cannot afford to stay home (though if I start feeling even slightly off I will out of respect for everyone else's safety)...and I work at what is apparently considered a piece of infrastructure (a bike shop) and likely wont be closed regardless. So staying home isn't really an option for me currently.
I have been washing my hands far more often recently though.
I think the key is for everyone to do whatever is most socially responsible given their own set of circumstances, and have a little bit of empathy while doing that.
Some people such as telemarc67 just dont seem able to see past themselves.
I just thought it would be fun to make a facetious comment regarding your unique flexibility and hygienic practices as a canine.
  • 58 3
 @takeiteasyridehard: my flexibility is undeniable and one of my few redeeming qualities. But I’d advise this exposes a heavier line of questioning. Why aren’t employees in the USA given some fallback net in case events like this happen? Why aren’t small businesses, which are arguably the pulse of your nation, taken care of to some extent in times of crisis? Why have your government officials lined their pockets in eleventh hour stock sales capitalizing on the hurt they’ve imposed on millions of citizens through their inept inaction? Why has there been f*ck all done besides regional level suggestions even though the King of your country was given information suggesting this exact outcome 12 weeks ago? I feel like it rests with all the humans to stand up for what is right in this moment and just do the right f*cking thing no matter the cost. A Winston Churchill reference for sure, but the times of strong leaders willing to tear the bad aid off are generations removed and an abnormality now. I respect your statement and wish I could offer more, I truly do. And I do appreciate humor as you may have surmised. My struggle is with the cowardice in positions of power and the lack of social responsibility I see on the day to day. But ultimately what the f*ck do I know, I’m just a dog.
  • 9 0
 @IamTheDogEzra: Spot on 100%
  • 11 0
 @IamTheDogEzra: Preach brother, I'd pat your head and scratch your belly after that one.
  • 10 0
 @IamTheDogEzra:

I did not expect to read such an eloquent summary of our times today, in the comments section of a bicycle website- In response to a comment about a meme-bicycle- Written by a canine no less.
  • 7 0
 @IamTheDogEzra: just had to explain to my buddy the wondering black Labrador that I couldn't give her the rough hugs she so loves, because I might kill her human in the process. She seemed to understand, thus placing her among the top 50% of humans in terms of intelligence.
  • 3 0
 I had a vasectomy a few years ago so that had a greater impact on my ability to recreate than Covid 19... I'll see myself out.
  • 77 1
 Now that was a worthwhile poll (but when life will return to normalcy can only be a guess at the moment).
  • 242 16
 If you are with the majority vote of June this year you need to have a hard rethink.
  • 30 1
 And it doesnt work properly in the southern hemisphere unless you pick a month because "Winter 2020" will be our summer and I wanted to pic December
  • 51 2
 Everyone should keep riding to stay sane (government permitting). Just keep appropriate distance and avoid injuries at all cost.
  • 34 159
flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 13:37) (Below Threshold)
 @me2menow: you're willing to let the government dictate whether or not you're allowed the freedom to ride your bike?
  • 79 0
 Sharing water bottles never worked out good for anyone.
  • 4 2
 @watchmen: why do you say that?
  • 20 4
 @watchmen: Absolutely. Especially in the US and other countries with poor testing... more shit ---> the fan
  • 24 29
flag SangamonTaylor (Mar 20, 2020 at 13:44) (Below Threshold)
 @watchmen: the infectious disease docs I work with would disagree with you. They feel we’ll be on the downslope of the peak and on the way back to normalcy by then.
  • 30 2
 @badbadleroybrown: Yeah, absolutely I am.
  • 12 4
 @badbadleroybrown: well, yours has, right? San Fran is in lockdown according to the news in the UK.

The UK has social restrictions which I think are wise and I am following them, I'm ok making the switch to the turbo or riding alone.
  • 16 0
 @badbadleroybrown: you know there are people outside of the US on this website right
  • 8 6
 im wondering why the hell anyonewould select "it will have a minor impact"
RACES HAVE BEEN CANCELLED Frown
  • 3 1
 @themop: you're still allowed outside of the house. If they wanted I think they could give you a misdemeanor, but the govt specifically mentioned outdoor exercise to be exempt
  • 21 22
 @themop: "San Fran" is where I live and bike riding is totally OK and encouraged. The term "Lockdown" is media hype (for now - who knows what might go down). The 'Shelter in Place' guidelines have been adopted by the whole state of CA -40 million ppl- but we aren't under any kind of martial law, This isn't an authoritarian dictatorship despite Trumpo's desires. The cops *could* give you a tcket if you are totally blowing it in a large gathering but that would be a last resort. The streets are nearly empty however - it's like a ghost town! Most everyone is just being cool about it. We ride free! 'Murica!!!!
  • 18 101
flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 14:06) (Below Threshold)
 @me2menow: I was asking you specifically based on your comment... are you not in the US?

And regardless of where you're located, if you're willing to surrender your freedom to decide when to ride your bike to your government then you're a sad little puppet, period.
  • 32 103
flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 14:09) (Below Threshold)
 @endlessblockades: lemme get this straight... Trump hasn't restricted the actions of citizens in any way but Newsome has literally told the entire state to stay inside... but Trump's the authoritarian dictator? Rolleyes

Y'all Bay area kids are special...
  • 46 7
 @badbadleroybrown: No, but I'm willing to listen to medical professionals who advise against exposing myself to COVID-19 and unnecessary exposure to it. Stop listening to gov't conspiracy theories and think for yourself.
  • 90 10
 @badbadleroybrown: I'm surrendering my freedom to ride to my fellow humans so I don't accidentally come into contact with someone and spread this disease. Put away your anti-government feelings for now and think of your elderly neighbor or your family member with a lung disease and do what's right for humanity for once.
  • 84 9
 @badbadleroybrown: Why is behaving irresponsibly equated with freedom in the US?
  • 4 2
 @me2menow: 1000% if we stay in too long...who said "idle minds is dangerous"

“So it is with minds. Unless you keep them busy with some definite subject that will bridle and control them, they throw themselves in disorder hither and yon in the vague field of imagination... And there is no mad or idle fancy that they do not bring forth in the agitation.”
― Michel de Montaigne
  • 21 8
 @badbadleroybrown: "Newsome has literally told the entire state to stay inside" you should get your facts straight, the order says you're allowed to go outside to get exercise. Your claim is like saying "global warming isn't real, look at the snow in the mountains"
  • 10 5
 @badbadleroybrown: @badbadleroybrown: Newsome is putting in strict enforcements now and urgently so peoples lives are saved, and so life will go back to normal earlier.
  • 5 0
 Normal is crazy and crazy is normal
  • 9 56
flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 14:38) (Below Threshold)
 @Abacall: conspiracy theories? I listen to medical fact... covid doesn't come from riding your bike.
  • 7 6
 @badbadleroybrown: it's chill guy I own guns and shit lmao. Get real though, people live in countries where you'll be arrested by the military if you're outside of your house right now. And I'm not about to liberate people via pinkbike
  • 18 55
flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 14:39) (Below Threshold)
 @PAmtbiker: do you often sneeze on, lick, or engage in other means of transmission as you pass other riders? Riding your bike and living your life doesn't spread a virus... you kids are damn quick to give up freedom when the government tells you to be afraid.
  • 23 47
flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 14:42) (Below Threshold)
 @kittenjuice: since when is riding your bike irresponsible?

And freedom is neither responsible nor irresponsible; it simply is... It promises no comfort, no promises of safety, no easy answers. It provides unfettered opportunity but it's up to each individual to decide just how much freedom they can stomach. As soon as you let fear convince you to trade your freedom for the illusion of safety, you've already lost both.
  • 12 27
flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 14:45) (Below Threshold)
 @Theo-F: try again... here's the quote from
covid19.ca.gov

"Stay home except for essential needs

Everyone is required to stay home except to get food, care for a relative or friend, get necessary health care, or go to an essential job. If you go out, keep at least 6 feet of distance."

Or Directly from Newsome's tweet where he linked that site...
"CA is issuing a statewide, mandatory STAY AT HOME order."
  • 9 1
 @badbadleroybrown:
I'm confused, the quote you provided says that "Everyone is required to stay home except to get food, care for a relative or friend, get necessary health care, or go to an essential job."

So you are saying that you are not allowed to go out on your bike. The 6 foot away part just applies to people when they go out because they have met the conditions stated in the part that I quoted. It is not an or statement.
  • 73 4
 @badbadleroybrown: when you fall off your bike and need hospitalising in a month's time there won't be a bed for you. Unless healthcare becomes an auction there, which is possible. Cuanto dolares tienes?
My wife is on a respirator at the local hospital. Test result comes in tomorrow. If it's Covid she's lucky to have it now and not when this shit peaks. Hopefully I get it over with quick or it just passes through me. Lucky as f*ck to have universal healthcare.
  • 12 78
flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 15:13) (Below Threshold)
 @BenPea: in 26 years of riding my bike I've required hospitalization exactly zero times. I think I'll take my chances.

And you're really gonna love that universal healthcare if shit gets as bad as you're afraid of and the government starts choosing who gets to live and who dies because your system can't keep up. lol
  • 27 1
 @badbadleroybrown: good luck to you
  • 21 1
 @badbadleroybrown: Better the government than the health industry. A tleast I can vote those nimwits out of office when they f*ck it up for the rest of us.
  • 46 2
 @badbadleroybrown: ride harder
  • 33 2
 Also - ventilator not respirator.

Uninsured patients in the States are receiving $ 30,000 + bills for testing and treatment of Covid, a rampantly contagious virus. What could possibly go wrong?
  • 6 1
 @SangamonTaylor: please share, curious.

Maybe by june we'll be on the downslope...of wave 1. Why would there not be multiple waves?

I belive this thing is gonna take a year or two to blow over, and the world will be very different by then.
  • 24 0
 @BenPea: that's no good, Ben. I hope your Mrs. gets well soon.
Having to be on a respirator for anything is not good.
  • 3 1
 @endlessblockades: Not abiding by the law is a misdemeanor. Likely meant to discourage asshat behavior. However since anything stolen under $1200 is also a misdemeanor its not likely to do much.
Bike riding is not encouraged; it’s permitted. Overall, its way more lenient than the clickbait newz makes it out to be. Just keep in mind your local government is permitting you to do this and can revoke any of these at any time.
Here is a list of other things your permitted to do. www.sfdph.org/dph/alerts/files/HealthOrderC19-07-%20Shelter-in-Place.pdf
  • 6 6
 @SangamonTaylor: your colleagues should stop watching your president and start reading the who.
  • 9 24
flag mhoshal (Mar 20, 2020 at 16:25) (Below Threshold)
 @chacou: global warming isn't real lol that's literally why they had to change the name to climate change because Scientists were proving otherwise.
  • 33 5
 @mhoshal: anthropogenic impact on planetary systems is real.

look at the air and water clearing up from just a few weeks of economic slowdown.

"climate change" and "global warming" are inappropriate terms mostly because "extreme capitalism choking the planet" is more accurate.
  • 14 1
 @mhoshal: I thought they had to lose the "global" 'cause really the earth's flat, f*ckin' scientists have been bullshitting us for years.
  • 12 44
flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 17:08) (Below Threshold)
 @BenPea: no, they're not receiving $30k + bills for covid testing and treatment...

You can cry about it all you want but I guarantee you that the US capitalistic healthcare system will be far superior in dealing with this regardless of scope. So, even if what you claimed were true, would you rather be $30k in debt or dead?
  • 18 3
 @badbadleroybrown: And if you don't have the option of being $30k in debt?
@BenPea Best wishes to the wife.
  • 7 36
flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 17:35) (Below Threshold)
 @watchmen: play all the what ifs you want, having the option to choose debt over death is indisputably preferable to not having a choice but to die because your socialized healthcare system is incapable of dealing with the issue.
  • 18 3
 @badbadleroybrown: being in the hospital for 10 days could easily run you that much

The US healthcare system, unfortunately, will not be better equipped. The lack of facilities will not drive private investment from hospital systems to deal with the need for more beds. The government will attempt to build makeshift and temporary facilities, but a lack of medical providers and a huge population of obese and unhealthy Americans will overwhelm the system.

I'm a full on libertarian and have no delusions regarding the availability of extremely high end medical care versus the ability of our medical system to provide vast emergent and critical care. Our emergency rooms are filled on a regular basis, with very few rooms available for critical and in patient stays. Patients in other vital in patient wards with serious diseases cannot be comingled with these patients.

The lack of wide spread and low threshold testing will prevent early detection and use of possible interventional therapies that would decrease the number of severe cases that our medical system must treat.

The virus will continue to mutate, people might remain immune for a year, a yearly vaccine might protect you from some of the strains of COVID-19 that emerge--but we don't know, and antiviral therapies may or may not prove to work.

Ive been to the Mayo clinic, and will proudly say that I was and continue to be treated at what is possibly the best medical center in the world. At the same time, I recognize that the lack of resources, logical strategy, and slow implementation of novel pharmaceutical therapies will result in lots of suffering throughout the nation
  • 134 6
 @badbadleroybrown: Let me tell you right now and I really do not care about being downvoted and all that crap... I have just listened to one of our Critical Care Doctor's, working in our NHS, call in to a National BBC Radio 5 Live Nolan phone in.
What he had to say about exactly what is happening RIGHT Now in the Hospitals has had me, a grown arsed 50 year old, life hardened bloke in tears.
We are at the point where they are going to have 6-8 patients who they will have to decide which one gets the ventilator. A decision they will have to take for every ventilator they have. Not just old people... Today, a 40 year old man with no underlying health conditions... A 16 week old baby... Elderly with underlying conditions... on top of the other patient's who are contracting Covid-19.
This Doctor, Al... 42 years of age... Will be in that Hospital every single day until this is beaten or when, as 40 members of his staff have already, contract the virus and are no longer able to treat patients. A Doctor who has already made peace with the fact that by treating these people he has an excellent chance of dying, just like Doctors in Italy, Spain, France have.
Now, you can bleat about your wonderful private system and you can slag off our Social Health Care system as much as you like but this will overwhelm your system in the same way it has Italy, Spain, France and our own.
None of us outside of China has the ability to enforce a lock down like Wuhan to help stop the spread. It doesn't matter how many AR f*cking 15s you have to protect you... If you think this is just flu, or you are infallible to this, f*cking think again buddy.
600+ deaths today in Italy alone. The death rate will carry on increasing day after day.
And its going to be like that wherever you are. Do you really think any Leader is going to stand up and tell you directly how many people they know are going to die from this virus? If you think you know better... Good f*cking luck to you!!
I'm usually pretty mellow and rational on here but your attitude towards this is so off the mark man and has me really pissed off.
So f*cker... Keep thinking the mighty private health care in your country is going to fair any better than any other country... I hope you are not one of those people that the Doctor has to decide will be ventilated, and if survive, then have to go through months of physio just to get back on your feet.
If your lucky, you will have mild symptoms... If not... Well, thoughts and prayers to your family.
Get a f*cking grip and realise just how bad this is, maybe not for you, but for the people you can infect by your stupid ignorance and arrogance.
So @badbadleroybrown:, start getting informed... Your system is no better than anyone else's on scale to population.
Vote down you f*ckwit tup
  • 10 1
 Lucky to live in a rural mountain town...once the snow melts, most of my life will be back to normal...biking by myself in the woods!
  • 6 35
flag RoadStain (Mar 20, 2020 at 17:50) (Below Threshold)
 @badbadleroybrown: I am not willing to let delusions of the ignorant, nor the government alter my life...not with out martial law, big guns and a civil war.
  • 7 35
flag RoadStain (Mar 20, 2020 at 17:52) (Below Threshold)
 @endlessblockades: please do not confuse Pelosi with Trump (or the media) I do pray for a massive earthquake however. Why not locusts too? Cali is a burden.
  • 6 23
flag RoadStain (Mar 20, 2020 at 17:53) (Below Threshold)
 @Theo-F: he CANT enforce a thing. Period. Constitutional lawyers will eat him alive.
  • 6 27
flag RoadStain (Mar 20, 2020 at 17:56) (Below Threshold)
 @Dropthedebt: we had a simple solution at the last hospital I was at after obummer screwed the pooch...closed it! See, fixed. An MD not being paid has no obligation to treat you...period.
  • 14 2
 @RoadStain: if you really are a doctor you know exactly that you have the obligation to treat... It's called the Hypocractic Oath. On top of that, if you really are a doctor... It's the human thing to f*cking do...
  • 4 23
flag RoadStain (Mar 20, 2020 at 18:08) (Below Threshold)
 @Dropthedebt: I an not, never claimed to be an MD. AMD and the oath is DO NO HARM, and Save a life....not continue treatment....certainly not a pcp with a cardio or ID patient. Period. Dentists have had the smart business model, as do concierge plans.
  • 5 30
flag RoadStain (Mar 20, 2020 at 18:10) (Below Threshold)
 @Dropthedebt: oh, med school entry post obummer is at an all time low. Well, unless you are in India. More profitable to be a Chiropractor...less lawsuits too.
  • 33 5
 @RoadStain: f*cking Prick
  • 4 22
flag ATV25 (Mar 20, 2020 at 18:33) (Below Threshold)
 @badbadleroybrown: What freedom ? They are taking it away right in front of our eyes !
  • 6 20
flag ATV25 (Mar 20, 2020 at 18:36) (Below Threshold)
 @badbadleroybrown: NEWSCUM is a egomaniac ! Did you see him last night strut around like his shit didn't stink.
  • 6 24
flag ATV25 (Mar 20, 2020 at 18:37) (Below Threshold)
 @Abacall: Funny, my doctor told me there's basically nothing to worry about as long as you're healthy and under the age of 75
  • 11 2
 @RoadStain: cali subsidizes your stupidity.
  • 10 61
flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 18:40) (Below Threshold)
 @Dropthedebt: enjoy your tears and your panic... but all that was nothing but your fears and your ignorance, "you f*ckwit". If you knew anything about virology, epidemiology, or immunology you'd know that this is being wildly overplayed and the panic is unfounded no matter what you heard on some dumbass radio show. I've spoken with dozens of doctors, have doctors in the family, and friends in a variety of fields associated with research, treatment, and crisis response and every one of them will really say this is being overplayed. That's the reason the phrase "out of an abundance of caution" has been tossed about so much, because the response isn't warranted by the situation itself.

And your socialized shit healthcare systems are overwhelmed because, like everything else the government runs, it's trash... which is why you lot are going to live or die by triage choices while Americans don't. It's why Italy is overwhelmed and its why Europe as a whole is f*cked far worse than the US will be.

I am informed, very well informed and likely better informed than anyone else on this site who's only information has come from media outlets that have been declaring everything a crisis for the last three years now. And because I'm informed, I'm not worried. There's a well above 99% chance that I'll be completely safe from COVID and the same goes for everyone not in a high risk demographic. But you go ahead and be pissed off; stay inside, live in fear, do what your government tells you like a good little puppet, and cry your eyes out all you want... that shit impacts me even less than COVID.
  • 12 28
flag ATV25 (Mar 20, 2020 at 18:47) (Below Threshold)
 @badbadleroybrown: Overplayed is an understatement at best ! Media hype, sensationalism, hysteria, fear, propaganda whatever you want to call it, has people acting like a bunch of scared children. Just be neighborly, use good hygiene and pay attention to your body it will tell you what's going on.
  • 32 16
 @badbadleroybrown: well I'm not proud of saying this but I hope you do contract Covid-19 at the f*cking peak of the curve and your emergency care facility is packed out. Absolute f*cking bellend.
  • 5 32
flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 18:51) (Below Threshold)
 @RoadStain: man, the pinkbike crowd is about as indoctrinated as it comes... they don't know what to think unless the media feeds it to them. They're the same lot that was sure Trump was a Russian agent and that he was gonna start world war 3 with North Korea... no matter how many times it's wrong, they fall in line and buy the next crisis they're fed.
  • 4 29
flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 18:55) (Below Threshold)
 @Dropthedebt: aww, look at you... showing a stereotypically liberal display of compassion when someone doesn't fall in line with your propaganda. lol

Unlike you, I'm not worried about catching COVID. I've been exposed and came away unscathed and even if I caught it, I have zero concern about it being more than a mild inconvenience and I'm more than capable of self management to mitigate exposure to those around me. But cheers for showing your true colors Beer
  • 4 2
 New normal I would say...
I personally don't think we will know what that actually means for a while (months to a year at the very least) though.

A question that wasn't asked, "how will this affect your risk threshold?"
All I know is that I am not doing anything that has enough potential risk to put me in the medical system.
  • 22 6
 @badbadleroybrown: mate, good luck to you. You really do not know what is heading your way. You've been exposed and came away unscathed? Bullshit and you know it. You may have come into contact with Coronavirus... Not Covid-19. But you'll know all about it because of your medical family eh?
If you really think that we, in our country, are falling propaganda; I would ask you to take a look at your own media... And as for true colours, well, I'll wear it with pride. I'm neither Liberal or Right Wing, I don't need to blow my load over shitty political leanings. My true colours are the ones that show I don't hold with fools.
Woooooo Go USA!!!
  • 3 0
 @BenPea: wish you the best of luck man
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 19:38) (Below Threshold)
 @Dropthedebt: my medical family? No dumbass... I understand the scope of the issue because, unlike you, I'm not getting my information from media personalities and propaganda network, I'm getting it from medical professionals both in and out of my family, in research and in treatment, and those involved with responding to crisis situations for the government. And yes, covid 19... but since I'm not a filthy savage and practice basic hygiene, I didn't catch anything.

Media in general, yours and ours, is nothing but propaganda... if you weren't a gullible puppet, you'd already know that. Your true colors are ignorance, bigotry, and cowardice.

But f*cking aye right, go USA. Enjoy your collapse, I'll be enjoying spring break on the beach.
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 @badbadleroybrown:
Whehey first quarantine/freedom comment!
Don't worry, you still have rights or whatever if you're willing to heed globally shared advice to attempt to contain the spread of a killer virus.
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 @badbadleroybrown:
You are very misinformed, Italy has more beds per capita than we do. Italy and every other country have a massive headstart on testing compared to us, because we decided we needed to develop our own test that takes 3 times as long for results.

The media has never claimed anything to be a crisis as large as this. If you just listen to the paid for shills like Rush, maybe he has convinced you that "the left" was in a total panic about swine flu, bird flu, ebola, and Zeke virus, but that isn't true.

It is true that you will likely not die from this, true. However you have a really good chance of catching it. Then no matter what your age you will have a 1 in 5 chance of getting pneumonia, and then you have a good chance of needing to go to the hospital... You have no real sources and arguing against people that have been listening to well researched reporting and the experts in the field of virology. This feels the same as speaking with a flat earther.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 20:51) (Below Threshold)
 @MeloBikeCO: funny... I never claimed we had more hospital beds than Italy so not sure how you refuting a claim I never made is me being misinformed. Nice straw man though Rolleyes

Other nations have more beds specifically because of their inflexibility and I specifically said that we're better able to respond to the crisis because of our flexibility. We have a far more diversified and distributed care system that can adapt on the fly to accommodate. And no, other nations don't have a huge headstart...

Likewise, nowhere did I claim the media made an equivalent claim about prior outbreaks... but the media has spent every day of Trump's presidency turning everything into a crisis. Trump was literally a Russian sleeper agent, literally a puppet for Putin, Trump was literally going to start world war three with north Korea, Trump was literally running concentration camps, Trump was literally destroying women's rights, Trump's literally a racist... but you wanna bitch about paid shills on the right or Rush? Gtfoh... you lefties have been inventing crisis after crisis throwing shit at the wall waiting for something to stick and now that you finally found something that's actually moderately serious, you clowns are turning it into armageddon.

I have real sources, real information first hand... but typical liberal puppets, you can't believe in anything unless it's fed to you by a "paid for shill" on CNN. I've spent the last twenty years working in the healthcare industry and speak with more doctors in a given day than the average person will talk to in a year and I have yet to hear even one of them support the popular narrative or be anything other than critical of that narrative. My ex is retired air force and works for the f*cking CDC and readily says that while it's worse than SARS and MERS it's nothing to worry about outside of the at risk demographics.

Like I said, you boys are welcome to surrender your freedoms and hide at home crying in your hoarded toilet paper like the clueless cowards you are... but those of us who are actually informed know better than to buy into the fear mongering.

And funny that you mention flat earthers, since they're virtually all lefties who bought into ridiculous hysterics they found online from "researchers"... just like the lot of you are doing with this. lol
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 @Hyakian: I see that you got down voted for this. But it is true. Hospital is the last place you wanna be now. Unless you need a hospital. Stay safe.
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flag hubsession (Mar 20, 2020 at 20:56) (Below Threshold)
 @badbadleroybrown: Keep fighting the good fight brother. There’s a lot of soy boys in these comments.
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 @ATV25: Sure he did... No doctor would tell you that right now. Not a single one. And please, if you think that’s true, go get sick, and stay out of the hospitals. Cause, you know, there’s nothing to worry about.
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 @badbadleroybrown:
Like I said, it would be great if all the experts and university's studying this problem are wrong. It will be great if our healthcare system is many times better at dealing with this, than other western countries. I hope the people you say you are talking to are right and that all the people doing the research and reporting and analysis are wrong, that would be nice. Perhaps a little fantasy land, but it would be really nice.
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 I fully agree with the admonition to avoid injuries. Ironically, I have worked in So Cal trauma hospitals for 20 years and have never seen our emergency department this slow and uncrowned. Hopefully it’s not the calm before the storm..,@me2menow:
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 22:11) (Below Threshold)
 @MeloBikeCO: funny how some of the people I'm talking about are the people doing the research... and all the people you're talking about are just people that you saw on TV but you think you're the informed one. I'll make sure and tell my former boss who works for Gilead and was on the team that developed Remdesivir that she's a paid shill who doesn't know what she's talking about and we're all gonna die... Rolleyes
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 @kittenjuice: nailed it! I think we call that "FreeDumb"
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 @SangamonTaylor: we still have a long ways to go. Such poor government leadership!
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 @badbadleroybrown:
Like I said I hope that the person you know, that has worked on a particular drug, is right and that Columbia and Northeastern Universities that have done actual research into this actual problem are wrong.
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 @endlessblockades: despite Trumpos desires? Hahahaha moron. Newsome and his fellow snowflake Garcetti are the ones that want an authoritarian dictatorship along with the mayor of San Francisco. Figures you live in that liberal cesspool with the crap you’re spewing
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 @Theo-F: And when he crashes the CA economy for being an idiot I’m sure you will still defend him.
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 @badbadleroybrown:
Hey mate. I’m in Italy in lockdown watching it all unfold. Pretty much everyone knows someone that’s contracted the virus here.
Clearly the scary thing is everyone knows someone who has a relative with something pre-existing or frail and us young and healthy are generally staying well.
They’ve made entire hospitals here either Coronavirus designated or regular hospital.
I cut my leg last night. Had to go get stitched at the regular.
It was very quiet there. People aren’t getting regular injuries because they’re staying home.
They were minimum staff throwing everything they can at hospitals with the virus so I got stitches up by a very inexperienced doctor. I didn’t care. The hospitals elsewhere are being crushed and people are dying.
It’s very sobering when it’s on your door step. I’m not scared. I am worried. It’s safe to say that I believe the experts now when I’m told that before it’s all out you’ll be going to the funeral of at least someone you know.
The whole comment thread above reminded me how I felt a few weeks ago before it arrived.
All the best
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 20, 2020 at 23:12) (Below Threshold)
 @MeloBikeCO: on a "particular drug"? lol

Remdesivir by Gilead is a nucleotide analog antiviral and currently the leading candidate for a potential COVID19 treatment... Come try again when you're actually informed instead of just indoctrinated.
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flag YoKev (Mar 20, 2020 at 23:20) (Below Threshold)
 @endlessblockades:
Trump(o)'s 'desires'? You apparently have ZERO comprehension of the political parties here in the US, so I'll give you a real quick lesson: While the Republican party(that'd be the party of Abraham Lincoln, and YOUR President) was founded in 1854 to fight the Kansas-Nebraska act( an act written by a DEMOCRAT to EXPAND slavery.See, the Democrat party was the party of the slave owner) its modern ideology is lower taxes(please note that the person you called a 'dictator' has cut taxes, moved back tax filing two months, and is sending a $1200 check to all qualifying tax payers in the country. He's also suspended student loan payments) CAPITALISM, SMALLer government and deregulation. Someone of average intelligence would note that these are polices of someone who would qualify as the OPPOSITE of a 'dictator'. Can you name ONE dictator that is/was a CAPITALIST? How about one who cut taxes, shrank government, increased civil liberties, or ENCOURAGED gun ownership by his citizenry? Gee, isn't an armed populace counter-productive for a dictatorship? Seems like I read something along those lines somewhere...
A 'dictator' is all about CONTROLLING people, which is done by EXPANDING the size of government, and TAKING AWAY the populations ability to fight said dictatorship, ie its GUNS. Again, a person of average intelligence would note that former Pres. Obama, nearly QUADRUPLED the size of the federal government, and he and his party focus(ed) on de-arming the American public.
I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but, again, someone with average intelligence would note here that protecting AMERICANS against a dictator taking power was on our FOUNDING FATHER'S minds so much, they addressed it with the SECOND amendment.

You might be thinking of Barney, errr, 'Barry' Sanders. See, he's a socialist. You know, just like the famous dictator Joseph Stalin
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 @BenPea: keep it strong guy! Everything will get better in few days for your wife I am sure!
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 Folks calm down (it is a bike site....). We are all entitled to our opinion but we all have to respect each other. In this case its about not spreading it or put differently, its about giving others the opportunity to not get it from you.
There is one benefit to this situation. There will be some fantastic sales on! Some have already started.
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 It’s fascinating how one moron can hijack a whole forum... except, this time it’s not about chainstay length or hydraulic bottom out.

It is going to be very sobering for everyone Who hasn’t got out of their a*shole to see vidoes of healthcare workers crying saying they can’t take it anymore, bodies being carried around. @Babbadboyleroy, being obese has a high chance of seeing it himself for many days. It’s like common cold for Most but If virus takes hold of you, aside of exposing you to Danteic scenes that will put you into psychological trauma, it has a potential of permanently damaging your lungs.

I am not exactly sure which part he doesn’t see from the depths of his a*shole he decorated with political bullshit.

It’s going to be a rough ride people... the echoes of it will be in us forever. Let’s ignore idiots and focus on being kind to those who deserve it.
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flag Warburrito (Mar 20, 2020 at 23:46) (Below Threshold)
 @badbadleroybrown: how is this downvoted? This is the most relevant comment I've seen. People are worrying about today without thinking about tomorrow. Do we want our government wielding this kind of power over us in the future anytime they tell us we should be scared of something? How many times have they told us the world as we know it would end? Y2K, H1N1, SARS, global warming. Sad thing is our govt cries wolf so often in order to influence elections and generate funds for their campaign contributors that when a serious global crisis does actually happen I've been conditioned to ignore them until it will be way too late for me to survive. I realize my lack of faith in our govt may eventually cost me my life and at some point I will be wrong. So far though...batting 1000 by not believing anything they or the news tells me. Over the course of 20 years that's pretty sad.

Bring on my downvotes Smile
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 @badbadleroybrown:
Of course I know that particular drug is currently being trialed.

I am not going to go on with you anymore. I know it is fun to think the way you do, I hope that you are right. You say someone involved in the development of a drug for a different but similar disease with a way lower infection rate says it will be fine, so let's ignore all the people that have been studying the details of the spread of this disease. I just don't understand this train of logic, it is just bred from the conservative pundits training people to distrust the media.

Everyone's opinion has the right to be broadcast and has equal value, right???

Nope, definitely not.

If you don't understand that now, I hope that you do someday.
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 @badbadleroybrown: Trump sympathizer, that was sure a surprise. You seemed so informed and empathetic..
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 0:13) (Below Threshold)
 @MeloBikeCO: sure you did buddy... that's why you said "a particular drug" cause that's the way normal intelligent people refer to things they're familiar with...

If you were familiar with it then you'd know it wasn't developed for a "different but similar disease with a way lower infection rate", you'd actually know what a nucleotide analog antiviral was and that this particular one has already proven effective against coronavirus. And if you knew anything about virology, you'd understand that the individual's who developed this drug and who are currently testing it on COVID19 know far more than the jackass talking heads you watch on TV. But sure, go ahead and praise your echo chamber and write off reality as conservative punditry...

It's really pathetic that you're as ignorant as you are yet still confident enough to talk as though you weren't... but you'll never understand that. Rolleyes
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 @Warburrito: “at some point I’ll be wrong” it’s about being able to recognize when you’re wrong, genius.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 0:15) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: I agree... it really is fascinating the way you hijack whole forums but that's got nothing to do with this topic.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 0:16) (Below Threshold)
 @ilovedust: true! I'm already looking forward to the blowout deals and a new bike!
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 @MeloBikeCO: he obviously just can't see past his own life, that this is about other people. Good luck to him.
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 @badbadleroybrown: You sound like your President - a f*cking idiot and the biggest joke on the planet. Enjoy swirling around in your own arrogance and ignorance. Cheers x
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 @Alexh1983: Grazie to the well wishers. None of us should be overconfident, but neither will this end civilization. But it might make some realise that a little bit of socialism can be a good thing. Even Trump has woken up to this. We'll probably revert back to type once this is all done though, as the German guy below said.
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 @badbadleroybrown: you are an absolute idiot when it comes to this. I would give you some credit if we didn’t have example of what you are proposing. But Italy tried your approach, not only they fkd up themselves, most break outs of Covid in Europe are linked to Italy. Whoever can’t understand how overwhelming it is for healthcare system is a f*cking moron. You would not freewillingly lock yourself inside of your work for 5 months with folks dropping dead around you, many of whom you know will die. Psychological impact of this mess will be rather big. I can already see the documentaries, interviews with doctors. So out of pure selfishness, for your own interest, you should shut the hell up, because you’ll be watching this unfold baby and it will be cringing. It’s a very safe estimate based on Australian documentary. You’ll be feeling stupid and your self worth will go down for a long time.

Few days ago I laughed at @jclnv for saying in China dead bodies were littering the streets and people were getting bolted inside their homes. It was true! I feel like shit now. Oh well... the sooner you start realizing how awful it will get, the better it will be for your own sanity. I can’t wait to see how old dog like you will learn to sit, or how much energy will you spend not to and how you will transfomr from just another old dog into a... what did you call @reverend27? Oh how you will turn into a genuine piece of sht.

The only positive thing will be for at least some time, fkng Social Justice Warriors will shut the hell up. They need this. Softies need that.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 1:43) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: you couldn't tell your ass from your elbow unless the popular opinion told you which was which... I could eat a bowl of alphabet soup and shit out a more informed argument than you. When the dust settles, three things will happen; I'll be right, as usual... you'll be wrong, as usual... and you leftist ass clowns will move on to the next crisis three media sells you, still crying about Trump and making fools of yourselves.
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 @watchmen: pink bike should do this poll in June , should be interesting
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 @badbadleroybrown: when dust settles you know who will be right or wrong? Can you also tell me when to buy oil stocks and when to sell them?
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 2:18) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: "oil stocks"... boy, you sure don't miss an opportunity to sound ignorant do you?

Buy low, sell high... it's not rocket science.
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 @badbadleroybrown: you’re a right piece of work ain’t you ! We need more people like you ......................NOT ! Sorry for my attempt of American humour !
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 2:51) (Below Threshold)
 @Matt115lamb: no worries, that was a pretty pathetic attempt and it's always fun watching you Brits fail... reminds me of 1783.
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 @badbadleroybrown: ha ha President jokers cock sucker right there
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 @badbadleroybrown: HA HA HA, big mouth and super brave Troy Browning (@badbadleroybrown), who won't be told to stay indoors, hasn't been on his bike since the 8th March (was that when Trump all of a sudden remembered there was a Pandemic?)

Been hiding indoors big mouth? You truly are a keyboard warrior and apparently shit on your bike too (thanks Strava). Time to calm your rhetoric down big boy XX

Lots of Love xx

www.strava.com/athletes/61763#interval?interval=202003&interval_type=month&chart_type=miles&year_offset=0
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 @lev3000: are you Hercule Poirot in disguise lol
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 @YoKev: Educate these fools
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flag Rageingdh (Mar 21, 2020 at 4:17) (Below Threshold)
 @badbadleroybrown: Two thumbs up!!!
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 @badbadleroybrown: it was deliberate attempt of a not funny joke joke , you now what I mean ! Big Grin
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 Get a room!
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 5:29) (Below Threshold)
 @lev3000: that's adorable... you tried so hard to troll my social media and that was all you could come up with? I've got some shocking news for you, some things that happen aren't on Strava. I was on my bike twenty minutes ago, I'm about to go walk the dog, and I even had dinner in a restaurant last night; that after being at work in confined space with other humans for eight hours... with none of it posted to Strava, Facebook, Instagram, or Twitter. Some of us actually enjoy living our lives and not desperately seeking social media approval, but you're welcome to come find out how shit I am on my bike any time you find the courage to venture outside.

You're pathetic even as chicken shit Brits go... such a big man you are crying about cock suckers and keyboard warriors while hiding at home scared of catching a cough. lol foh soy boy.
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 @badbadleroybrown: Thanks for the Fake News update XX
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 5:42) (Below Threshold)
 @lev3000: oh, and if you troll my strava just a bit harder you'll see I traveled from Florida to California and back at the start of the month... passing through Atlanta international airport and San Diego international airport as well as the regional Panama City Beach airport, surrounded the entire time by other humans and God only knows how many terrifying germs, bacteria, and viruses... I even sat on a plane full of those same germ carrying heathens for hours each way... gosh, it was so terrifying, I was sure I was gonna get the big bad COVID19 and die... At work... they made me interact with engineers from Spain... we even shook hands *gasp* I'll probably be dead by Monday from the fear if the COVID doesn't get me first. lol
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 @badbadleroybrown: you should know well enough that after this is all over there will investigations. Only then we will see who were the bad guys, those who overreacted or those who were lacking subordination. Now, the reason zi know nothing will come out of these trials is that US took zero damage due to performing biggest scam and overreaction in the recent human history. 6000 people died on 9/11 and every reason to go to kiddle east again was bullshit. Your government and military f*cked up all middle East even more than it was before. Terrorists killed thousands of times less people than your shit faced national diet. But then you proceeded to kill way more civilians including children than all respiratory diseases combined. Dumb Fat pricks like you are far more dangerous than any virus. And you are talking about shooting at the Police, you should shoot yourself. I strongly advise it. Everyone will be better off, I assure you. It’s not the Covid, it’s all other shit you are saying. You are a danger to modern society, your attitudes were demanded around 1700s or earlier. Please, do it next to a crematorium... it will be more practical. Aim for back of your throat a bit upwards. You want the bullet to damage the most inside parts responsible for controlling life functions.

I wrote it only because I know you like guns. You may as well go on an heavy acid or DMT trip. You’ll die too, it’s just that a part of you will come back.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 6:03) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: holy shit, the more you talk the dumber you get... go ahead and quote where I said anything about shooting at the police. I'll wait.

And equating the natural process of viral infection leading to a loss of life with religious extremists murdering thousands in a terrorist attack on an innocent public is the dumbest f*cking thing I've ever heard. You better take advantage of your socialized medicine and go get your head checked lil waki, you're clearly off your meds.

Good of you to drop the virtuous facade of pretending to care about human life and show what a piece of shit you really are encouraging someone to commit suicide, even suggesting shot placement, all because you disagree with them... you're a joke waki, a joke and a coward, no surprise you're a fan of hiding away at home.
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 @dontcoast: communist countries like China don’t add to pollution? Just the evil capitalists? Cool story.
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 @WAKIdesigns: damn...I couldn’t have put it better myself !
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 @badbadleroybrown: You don't need a lockdowndown to tackle this virus: Japan, South Korea and Taiwan did it without such extreme mesures, but they saw first hand what SARS could do so they were already prepared and disciplined, a thing most western countries weren't and still aren't. A lockdown as extreme as might sound will buy you time: to get more tests,more UCI beds and more ventilators and be more prepared.

If possible and just have time to read one article today may I suggest this one? medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

It's a very comprehensive breakdown of the numbers on the different approaches to tackle the virus.
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 @bulletbassman: if voting made any difference, it'd be illegal. Voting only obliges and divides qualities of low level acceptance, a "Them vs. Us" mentality that perpetuates our capitalist demise.
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 @YoKev: I missed when Bernie Sanders murdered and impisoned millions of his own people
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 @Dropthedebt: haha, the fact that this comment was upvoted 8 times shows the true colors of this crowd
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 @badbadleroybrown: Brilliant! You're like a cartoon baddie. Just like your President. So funny :-)
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 @Abacall: I am not worried, going to work everyday, washing my hands, keeping distance, offering help to my neighbors . WTF are you doing, hording, hiding . . . or ???
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 @badbadleroybrown:

You seem pretty keen on liberty and personal freedom, and fairly concerned about anyone taking that away from you, which seems fair enough and reasonably consistent with American values as far as I am aware. Part of wanting your freedom to be respected must also be respect for your fellow citizens freedom.

Have you considered that your actions in knowingly contributing to the spread of a potentially fatal disease takes away from your fellow American's liberty and freedom? Your choice to do what you like regardless of the consequences is impacting on someone else's ability to live their life - which sounds like exactly what you're afraid of a government doing to you.

I do not choose to follow the WHO and UK Gov advice out of fear of the authorities, I choose to do it out of respect for others in society. At present that advice allows us to still get out riding, with some sensible caveats around possible transmission routes and safety.
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 @badbadleroybrown: you're probably made of steel, stronger than rock yeah! grab your gun bro' maybe it protect you against covid! !
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 @rockyj: Maybe not everybody races.
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 The levels of self centred arrogance being displayed by some here are mind blowing.
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flag RoadStain (Mar 21, 2020 at 10:23) (Below Threshold)
 @lev3000: have they started dental care for Brits yet?
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flag RoadStain (Mar 21, 2020 at 10:27) (Below Threshold)
 @metaam: Please do not confuse reasonable, rational thought with arrogance. What is irrational is the idiots cowering behind their TV's watching the terror tactic media freak out.

And yet, today, again at the trail head it was parking on the roads again as the two parking lots were packed full, the trails were full. MTN, Road, Horse riders, RC car folks.....we all just think of how apathetic, and pathetic the some humans can really be.

But, I did buy four more 48 packs of TP (bringing my total to somewhere over 300 rolls in my home of two adults). Soon enough I can list some on CraigsList maybe MASSIVE margins....HUUUUUUGE. Part of me wants to TP my own trees (it would be akin to driving the fast car fast getting 8mpg while idiots are bitching about the price of fuel).
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 @RoadStain: PB, can we get a Florida filter?
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 @RoadStain: No. Have they started spelling lessons for Presidents in USA yet?
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 We should socially distance, stay home as much as possible, I understand the impact on the healthcare, it’s very contageous, it’s not a flu, let’s get that out of the way...

But we must still be able to see how much fear mongering is in the media. I assure everyone that if hospitals did same live reporting of injuries and deaths coming from car accidents, we’d all think twice before getting into a bloody car. The spotlight effect cannot be ignored. If we were getting live reports from clinics and hospitals covering obese people dying of heart disease, badbadleroy would stop stuffing his mouth with crap...
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 @WAKIdesigns: Car accidents are not comparable, the flu is much worse !
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 @ATV25: Nah, even if let’s say Italy has up to 60 deaths per million, annually, if you had media coverage for each case, gov would tell you take a bus or a train, you’d be shitting your pants every time you are about to get behind the wheel. I am not saying it’s any conspiracy, screw whacky morons believing such things, I am just saying: be careful with choosing your observation point and the zoom value on your lenses... I too check Covid stats by the end of each day... a rather perverse hobby. I do think media should do such thing from time to time with alcohol or poor diet. WHO has actually classified obesity as epidemic
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 @WAKIdesigns: Look at the CDC numbers for this season. As of yesterday 15,219 cases with 201 deaths ( c-19 ) 38,000,000 cases with 23,000 deaths on the low end of speculations ( flu ). I am not saying c-19 is not dangerous to certain demographics but the flu by far has more disturbing numbers !
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 @Dropthedebt: Thank you for mentioning the interview on BBC Radio 5 Live! Very, very interesting and depressing indeed.
If anyone's interested, the aforementioned part starts at about 2:25:30.
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000gc73
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 @ATV25: By my maths, if you extrapolate your c-19 figures up to 38,000,000 that's over 500,000 deaths (both figures x 2495). Which is more disturbing now? I really hope infection rates are much higher than currently known.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Statistics stated on the news is hard for me to take seriously most of the time. With regards to the wu-flu, its nearly impossible to have accurate numbers in China. Also if you take into account things like smoking, age of population, and existing co-morbidities you could get a better picture if they reported accurate numbers to begin with.
Los Angeles county sent out a notice to doctors to only test cases that are likely to end up with a hospital stay or odd infection route. That could seriously skew the actual numbers making the virus appear far more deadly and leave us with no idea of the actual number infected. I understand the reasoning (lack of test kits). Unless your willing to jump into the rabbit hole and fletch out the causes/effects for each stat reported I would just do your best to keep a positive vibe, shred trails and keep clean.
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 @ATV25: Let me introduce you to something I like to call "percentages". This is the symbol we use: %

Divide the small number by the big number and times by 100. Congratulations, you have a percentage. Try this at home for a big f*cking wake-up call.
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 @emptybe-er: Sure, but then you will miss some of the best trails in the nation (I know, seems like bullshit, but it is reality).

www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPJPIZXXQLg
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 @ATV25: Why don't you look at my ride logs, and look at yours. Whose been riding bud? Oh, and I've delivered meals to the people in need in my neighborhood. You?
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flag RoadStain (Mar 21, 2020 at 14:20) (Below Threshold)
 @Abacall: Are you out "good willing" someone on the internet? Really?
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 @RoadStain: He asked if I'm hunkered down scared in a hole, while he's out "helping people." I simply answered.
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 @badbadleroybrown:
Not my words but copied from a hillwalking group. Feel free to copy and share like I have done.

Let’s talk about just one of the people who has ‘escaped’ to the hills to ‘socially distance’ themselves. Let’s call him Brian. Brian has been at work all week, he isn’t lucky enough to work at home. Brian eats the lunch he carefully prepared at home on Tuesday, at his desk. Tom the cleaner cleaned Brian’s desk on Monday evening, but Tom had spent the weekend getting smashed in various pubs with his mates. Tom didn’t know it but he was infected. Before Tom cleaned Brian’s desk, he coughed into his hands. He doesn’t care about COVID-19 because he’s young and he believes it wont affect him. Whilst cleaning Brians desk he sheds some of the virus onto Brians keyboard. Brian has been using his keyboard all morning, and he just started eating his sandwich. Brian is now infected, but he wont show symptoms for another week.

Fast forward to the weekend and Brian decides, because he’s fit and healthy, he’s going to climb Snowdon with his wife. They arrive at Pen Y Pass after a 2 hour drive during which Brian shared some of his water with his wife. Brian is literally a virus incubator right now and if she hasn’t breathed in the virus, she’s covered in it, it’s only a matter of time. Brian pays his £10 parking charge using the machine and off he goes. There’s lots of lovely virus on the machine now, waiting for the next person...and the next...and the next. Brian and his wife decide to take the PYG track and it’s really busy. It’s so busy in fact that on the way up he has to wait in a queue to go over the stile at the Crib Goch junction. Brian isn’t wearing gloves today because the weather is nice and walking keeps you warm. He’s feeling a little more fatigued than usual though. Over the stile they both go, innocently shedding virus as they do. He’s sweating quite a bit and keeps wiping his face with his hand. At several points they have to put their hands on rock, the same rocks everyone else has to. Finally though, they get to the top, yay! They both have to wait in another queue to get onto the summit trig, which they touch, because it’s a kind of ritual. They don’t think about the 1000 other people who will do the same after them today. On the way down Brian’s wife takes a little tumble and twists her ankle. Mike, a local, comes over to offer assistance, which Is gratefully accepted. Mike and Brian support Brian’s wife to the bottom, Brian shake Mikes hand and they depart. Under normal circumstances Brian would take his wife to a minor injuries clinic, but they know the NHS is under strain because of the virus, it’s probably only a light sprain anyway, so they dont bother, they’re doing their bit to help by not going to hospital. Brian doesn’t know that he’s just infected countless people, and they don’t know either. Brian thinks what he is doing wont harm anyone and he goes home really happy with himself that he’s only doing what the government told him to do.

On the way home he really begins to feel rough but thinks he’s tired from the walk, so he stops for a coffee at the Shell garage in Betws Y Coed and gets himself a costa express coffee. After he’s chosen his drink using his bare hands on the touch screen, he uses some hand gel, because, he doesn’t want to catch the virus! He’s a responsible citizen though, so he keeps his distance from everyone else in the shop, 2 metres!

Brian has no idea he’s just unleashed a plague on North Wales in spectacular fashion.

Stay at home folks. Don’t be Brian. Or a badbadleroybrown.
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 @SacAssassin: off course numbers are skewed, Nr of infected people must be higher, but it’s still a hell of a bug... I am surprised how anyone looking at what goes on in Italy can have any doubts. There is a rather educated interview with a doc from Germany how numbers are skewed and how Although one of many it is the first Corona virus to have this much attention since SARS, but then you look at what goes on in Italy and the fact how many cases around Europe are traced to Italy and It’s a bit... these numbers are “impressive”. Yesterday was a bloody hell. 650 Poor buggers in one day... and it’s not the best way to go either. That’s why I’d love to serve myself Hypothermia in mountains on the edge of a big cervass. Not a fkng hospital :/
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 @Highdh: really? I read stuff of this low caliber on a leaflet from church about premarital sex. Honestly... why didn’t they add a pregnant woman getting infected? Come on... go all the way. A Grandpa who talked to Brian was the only care taker of a little toddler whose parents died in road accident. 12 days later they find dead grandpa and dead starved toddler lying on grandpas body.

this is kind of sht that makes people go “you know what? - f*ck it! I’ll go out and lick the hand rail in the subway”. You will cause the exact reaction Like ehen people who got pisses off about everyone getting quiet about Charlie Hebdo organized “Draw Mohammed” contest.

Yeah some people are stupid, but way more people hate it when you talk to them as if they were mentally handicapped. Oh well, babadleroy surely loves your touching story, he’ll surely give you a review
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 14:45) (Below Threshold)
 @Highdh: Virtually everything in that story was complete bullshit... the only thing posting that proves is that you're gullible to believe damn near anything and have no understanding at all of virus transmission or survival on surfaces.

Don't be a highdh and copy/paste stupid things you find online, unleasing a plague of stupidity and misinformation in all the forums you frequent.
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 @badbadleroybrown: And yes, some of what was in there is indeed as you so eloquently put it bull, but the point is to produce a statement that is 100% polar opposite to your standpoint. Thereby showing (and obviously something that is going to fly far and beyond over your head and your band of ‘experts’) that this is at one end of the argument and you are at the other. The truth is somewhere in the middle ground. There is a social responsibility of all to end this asap. The ‘i’m not in the demographic’ is both childish and dangerous. Anyway, take care buddy.
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flag ATV25 (Mar 21, 2020 at 15:02) (Below Threshold)
 @Abacall: Just got back from burning piles for my 78 year old neighbor. This morning I helped my other neighbor, 82 bring firewood to his garage. FO
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 @Highdh: he is in this demographic, that’s why it is even more messed up. But your posts was damn messed up too... I bet the original author of this thing makes Jehova witness leaflets
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 @BenPea: Really ? How many cases of c-19 have been undetected ? Are they testing every person every day ? If they did, the numbers would be vastly different. I have a great piece of land in Florida for sale if you are interested, or you can have a drink of Kool-Aid, you choose
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 15:29) (Below Threshold)
 @Highdh: go ahead and quote where I said "I'm not in the demographic"...

That wasn't the polar opposite to my statement in any way, it was just idiocy thar folks like you read online and believe because you're not smart enough to know any better and the only point served by that blob of insanely stupid copy pasta was to perfectly illustrate my point; that you idiot's are driven by fear from hysteria and misinformation not based in reality.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 15:32) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: it's cute that you think you know anything about me or what demographic I belong to... your obsession with me doesn't make you knowledgeable about me. I'm nowhere near the demographic, but that doesn't mean i claimed at any point that not being in the demographic gives me reason to ignore the fear mongering. Experience, intelligence, and education give me reason to ignore the hysterics... not my demographic.
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 @ATV25: I realise this, given that it is almost nailed on that I have the virus. But the figures you yourself provided prove my slightly overzealous point. Listen, I'm not 100% sure about anything here, but my Mrs hasn't been in hospital for asthma since she was a kid and, as things stand today, she's probably going to be kept in for a few more days. How many other people will this be true of. How many diabetics are there? Those people don't deal with Corona very well. And that's just one pre-existing condition. Surely the precautionary principle should apply. What have you to lose apart from a little freedom? This isn't going to go away when the wind changes.
And as for people happily accepting to go tens of thousands in debt just to get the treatment they need to get through this, as Troy suggests? How can you reconcile the concept of the "land of the free" with almost universal enslavement to money lenders, which seems to be the preferred model in America. It's quite interesting that the average Joe would rather be owned by a bank than helped by a government. Neat mind trick they pulled.
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 @badbadleroybrown: I guess I am an Idiot as I am self isolating because I had a cough and a slight fever. But I feel that even If This is over blown I could never forgive myself if I ignored the warnings. I find it hard to believe you have friends in the Know(Mainly because I find it hard to believe you have friends at all). Can you please get your friends to post on here so I can better understand why I should not worry? I am guessing that they have the time because there is nothing dire about our situation.
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 @BenPea: I would much rather be indebted to a lending establishment then enslaved by the government. I have the choice to borrow money if I need ( which I don't ) or provided insurance for myself ( which I do ) MY CHOICE ! That is what living free is about !!! I am sorry to hear that your wife has medical issues and I really hope she comes through this fine. Good luck to you and your family.
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 @Highdh: or, have the cell phone number for a few Orthopods and access to MRI,CT,XRay....like I do!
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 @ATV25: cheers man

Ultimately, it's all about perspective, luck and choice, or lack thereof.
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 @WAKIdesigns: f*ck me you’ve done 180 , have you got a temperature ?
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 It's interesting reading this comment chain. While most folk have a reasonable understanding of the risks and implications, a minority have some fkn bizarre opinions and revel in being out of step with common sense.
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 @kittenjuice: and I would put money on them being trump fanatics or hard brexitiers !
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 This thread has shown that it is indeed possible to become entrenched in meaningful, meaningless, and passionate conversation with an obviously dumb person
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flag RoadStain (Mar 21, 2020 at 17:25) (Below Threshold)
 @Matt115lamb: Sure, then again, I was told I was a jerk for firing a woman who stole "only" toilet paper from a clinic....guess what, she will be convicted and have her professional license suspended as well. All this, for "just" toilet paper.

I have to assume there will be some in jail for her. The warrant is imminent.

As for non-Trump fans? Well, we do not hire them (pretty much anywhere in this city). One fool was brave and put some Sanders signs in his yard....his neighbors now have GIANT Trump signs (I am sure he won't be invited to the block party). ZERO tolerance for liberals, zero, and yes, we get rid of them in the work place (if someone screws up and hires them). Oh, and I am not sure how many Trump supporters near me are not armed day to day, all day, every day. In general, we are not a "scared" class.
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 @BenPea: best of luck to you and your wife. These are trying times. Please disregard my fellow countryman’s lack of empathy. We are only a week or two out from our hospitals being in the same situation as Europe. The people who have been coping with this disaster with denial, will be forced into reality soon enough.
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 @BenPea: While I may disagree with some of your views, I truly wish the best for your wife to make a speedy and complete recovery. As someone that has had loved ones lost in the past few years, I understand the difficulty of having to watch and hope for the best. Quick healing and best thoughts for your family.
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 @RoadStain:
" As for non-Trump fans? Well, we do not hire them (pretty much anywhere in this city). One fool was brave and put some Sanders signs in his yard....his neighbors now have GIANT Trump signs (I am sure he won't be invited to the block party). ZERO tolerance for liberals, zero, and yes, we get rid of them in the work place (if someone screws up and hires them). Oh, and I am not sure how many Trump supporters near me are not armed day to day, all day, every day. In general, we are not a "scared" class."

Team politics are more important than qualifications/competence? Gross. Unamerican. You should be embarrassed that you're a partisan idiot, not bragging about your myopia on a mtb website. Get your dumb shit out of here.
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 @RoadStain: What does it take to make a Trump supporter "socialist"?



$1000
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 20:35) (Below Threshold)
 @johniep: self isolating because you're displaying symptoms isn't overblown... it's the rational and reasonable thing to do, however it's also the rational and reasonable thing to do year round when you think you've got the flu. The difference is that we're now telling everyone to behave as though there sick... that's where it's overblown
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 @Mntneer: you just used mutually exclusive, contradictory, descriptors and then tried to call someone else dumb?

Nicely done lol
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 @badbadleroybrown: it's not because you can be highly contagious and not show symptoms for 2 weeks
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 @badbadleroybrown: you have just upped the ante in terms of how shallow your thought process is. Congratulations
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 20:51) (Below Threshold)
 @me2menow: less than half of transmission even originates in asymptomatic individuals and those were almost exclusively transmission within household groups. Meaning home isolation has virtually no impact on that since they're all isolating within the same household anyway... you've heard a small piece of information from the media about asymptomatic transmission, out of context, and let it scare you into submission because you're neither informed enough nor smart enough to know any better.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 20:53) (Below Threshold)
 @Mntneer: what a thoughtful and thoroughly erudite response to your own failing... lol
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 @badbadleroybrown: you've now tripled down. Please whip out your thesaurus for the remainder of your responses. To spell it out for you, the contradiction is the pitiful irony in people maintaining a discussion with you
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 21, 2020 at 21:01) (Below Threshold)
 @Mntneer: and the irony is you clearly not knowing the meaning of common words while using them in a desperate attempt to make yourself look smart while attacking someone more intelligent than you as "dumb". For future reference, when googling words to use, "antonym" means they're opposites... you're looking for "synonyms".

Bonus points for following up your first fail with a repeat where you question the "pitiful irony" of maintaining discussion with me while maintaining discussion with me. You're on a roll... lol
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 @RoadStain:Wow vid that took me back to a dark, flowless time in mtb. Does traveling to Florida require some sort if time machine?
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 @MeloBikeCO: he doesn’t know what he's talking about. I drove 276 miles today and road for 4 hours. Ate tacos in Santa Cruz and drank Coronas. Fvcc the armchair epidemiologists on here. This is one of the worst PB threads Ive ever seem. Everybody take a deep, mindful breath and hold it for 9 minutes.
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 My remarks about my travels today were just to illustrate that there is no Lockdown as portrayed in the media. Maybe there should be, but I visited a bunch of ‘essential service’ businesses today and apparently in SC that taco place on Pacific Ave qualifies. When outside my truck I wear gloves an a N95. C19 are 1 micron and the N95 has 3 micron passageways. The viral load does not cone one at a time, so they are actually somewhat effective. Dr. Brilliant has an article in Wired that has some real info, not Infowars BS.
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 Great conditions today, pulling crazy speed through these new off camber's. Lifted a few to orbit in the air out zone also.
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flag SLBIKES (Mar 22, 2020 at 5:39) (Below Threshold)
 @MeloBikeCO: WRONG!!! FDA just released a test that only takes 45 minutes in the US

Best system on the planet, US WILL SOLVE THIS WITHIN WEEKS. Going to go ride and then stop and get lunch on the way home.

Liberals are morons as you can tell by reading their comments here, pathetic
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 @SLBIKES: you know most of those scientists working on medicine are democrats (as only 6% of US scientists consider themselves Republican vs 66% declare themselves as liberal or very liberal), right? So, you are banking the US superiority on these liberal scientists?

Seriously, leave politics out of this and just stick to supporting the science that’s going to end this problem. There are some positive research on some of the anti-virals, but it’s going to take time to define a good treatment program and still a year plus before a vaccine makes it’s way through clinical trials.
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flag RoadStain (Mar 22, 2020 at 7:55) (Below Threshold)
 @whambat: Just the fact it came from Huff leads me to NOT beleive a darn thing in it. But, if I was to humor you (as I give the poll no credibility at all).

The majority of MD's who I work with are staunchly conservative, more so when brining up fiasco such as Obummer care. There are a couple less when dealing with non-specialist folks, PCP or rural health PCP where a majority of their patients are in exchange programs. The MD's who are PCP are not at all unlike others who rely on government programs, they survive on the scaps and barely make ends meet. Simply, some MD at the "Free Clinic" is either there by their own choice, or due to the fact that their skillset gets them into a position that most MD's do not want (or envy).

NP will in general be of the mindset of the indigant care MD's, but, even in the best of times THEY are not getting sued, the MD they work under does (due to their actions). Most of the time a lawyer will not even take a case against an NP for a thing as the NP and their insurance does not have the money, nor the coverage to make it worth their time. The same is true in European and Candian style markets, first off, hard to sue a doctor, second, LOSER PAYS (that is about the only thing the Euro's do get right).

So, if I were Huff, and I wanted to create a poll of who thought what....do I go to an advanced center in a rrich neighborhood and ask the MD, FACS or folks who are cash pay? Hell no! I got to some clinic for the homeless and ask them their thoughts. On the same pretense, I can convince you that cutting off your own penis is with out question, the best option. All that I need to vary is the other options.
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 @ATV25: Cool, did you shake their hands?
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 @RoadStain: If you don’t trust Huff, who did not conduct the poll, click on the link in the article to the Pew Research Center (a non-partisan organization). I didn’t include the original Pew article because I thought it might be too number based for you to comprehend, and that fact you didn’t realize it wasn’t a Huffpost poll might confirm my reservations as to your reading comprehension skills.

You know a large part of the bio-tech industry in the US is in Silicon Valley? So it’s not just liberals, it’s San Francisco liberals working to save your life, this country, and the economy.
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 @SLBIKES:
So a test gets released a day after I made my comment, how does that make my comment wrong?

We chose not to use the ready to go test that took a lot shorter time to get results and was ready to use. This delayed widespread testing and made results slower to get back to those tested, 6 days in at least one case.

I'm glad that there is a new fast test, but it doesn't change the past. I hope that our healthcare system does way better than Europe's, but there are few experts that are predicting that there will be huge differences. The best thing that north Americans have going for us is that we are super spread out.

We will see what happens.
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 @whambat: an 11 year old report that uses 2500 individuals who identified themselves as sciences isn't much more reliable than an anti vax mom who watched YouTube.
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 @badbadleroybrown: I'm in Val Seriana, Bergamo province. Northern Italy. We've been on lockdown for a couple of weeks now. Death toll for the area has passed 600. The military went into the hospital a few days ago to take out bodies for cremation as there was no more room to store them. You can hear ambulances day and night. I sincerely hope you and the many people unfortunate enough come into contact with you don't experience what is happening here. People at work are losing parents and grandparents.
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 @badbadleroybrown: I see that you have a minimum of a high school degree with a strong understanding of elementary school concepts. You are on your way to a bright future if you can find a way to use more of your brain
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flag RoadStain (Mar 22, 2020 at 12:55) (Below Threshold)
 @badbadleroybrown: sure, but, how does it make you feel? Who needs realities when Libs have emotions to fondle and fears to tickle?

More and more I never wonder why it is I never hire apathetic liberals.
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 @RoadStain: I think everyone should shut the f*ck up now. Survival of the fittest now, back to the stone age. Adiós.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 22, 2020 at 14:52) (Below Threshold)
 @Mntneer: Yes... I do have a "minimum" of a high school "degree", I assume you meant diploma since high schools don't issue degrees, right? From that minimum level of education, I then proceeded to continue my education well beyond a high school diploma. Sadly, judging from your continuing failure to utilize basic vocabulary correctly, it seems that your MAXIMUM educational level lies somewhere short of a high school diploma with no understanding of even elementary concepts. While not uncommon among American youths in this era of liberal school systems pursuing indoctrination in place of education, it's still a sad testament to just how unprepared you lot are to think for yourselves in any way... least of all in times of crisis.

Come on back and try again when you can manage to actually use words that fit the description you're looking for in your sad little attempts at witty insult.
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 @badbadleroybrown: @badbadleroybrown: Can you please get one of the sources you have to post the reasons I should not be concerned. You come across like an arrogant a*shole(Not saying you are) so its hard to take you seriously. Maybe if you can convince one of your professional sources to explain things in a professional manner we would understand the situation better.
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 @badbadleroybrown: "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not: nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not: the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent".
calvin coolidge

Not sure why but all of your posts made me think of this.
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 "Nothing in this world can take the place of buttholes. Talent will not: nothing is more common than talented buttholes. Generosity will not; unrewarded generosity is almost a proverb. Education will not: the world is full of educated buttholes. Arrogance and egotism alone are omnipotent".
Someone after meeting Troy.
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 @RoadStain: no worries, would never work for a twit like you anyway.
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 @platnum: Perfect! Hell, we get 300 resumes for entry level crap jobs. We get pick of the litter, most is litterbox paper. As I had said prior, he have not picked people due to a shoe being untied.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 22, 2020 at 18:37) (Below Threshold)
 @johniep: I come across like an arrogant a*shole because I am an arrogant a*shole, that's not something I'm ashamed of or afraid to admit. And the last thing I'd do is ask people I actually like and care about to come immerse themselves in this cesspool of faux intellectualism just to assuage the concerns of people I don't know or particularly care about. The pinkbike comments section, on a good day, is a kiddie pool of ignorance and indoctrination...
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 @badbadleroybrown: well beyond highschool, huh? And somehow still haven’t noticed that periods and commas belong inside quotation marks? My 11 yr old knows this. And can also easily recognize trump as a creep.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 22, 2020 at 19:08) (Below Threshold)
 @emptybe-er: commas used casually in place of semicolons don't belong in quotes, just as a semicolon wouldn't be placed in the quotes. But it's adorable that you're still trying... most people who've failed as consistently as you would've given up by now. But look at you, still trying, still failing, and still showing yourself to be nothing but a mindless lil liberal puppet.
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 @badbadleroybrown: Thank for the reply. I just wanted to confirm that you were just a bored troll..

Confirmed
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 22, 2020 at 19:22) (Below Threshold)
 @johniep: not bored, not trolling... just stating facts and being entertained by the hysteria and cowardice of all the pinkbike puppets.
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 @johniep: here you go Johnny... if you're legitimately looking for informed, educated perspective that confirms we're overreacting then this should set your mind at ease. And he's even a professor from Stanford so he's almost certainly a liberal too instead of some right wing trumpian paid shill or whatever other political ignorance has been slung to discount my statements.

www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data
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 @badbadleroybrown: So I’m supposed to believe you know all about semicolons and commas.. but haven’t figured out periods? Every single one, out of your quotation marks.. yawn. At least hicks are horrible liars, huh?
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 @badbadleroybrown: Interesting read,But like the news reports you hate so much it leaves out a lot of facts.

At first I Thought you were just an arrogant prick(Which I am ok with) But now you just kind of seem like you are looking for attention(which is sad).
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 @badbadleroybrown: you sure bring up cowardice and failure (out of nowhere) a lot.. google “projection” while you’re trying to learn about periods.
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 @badbadleroybrown:Ok ok. You take pictures of your truck, your gun, even paper targets that you’ve shot, and your boo-boos and ouchies, and this one really gets me.. you not only take, but actually upload pictures of the temperature when it’s hot outside. It’s like I image googled “basic douche”
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 @emptybe-er: I'm sure basic and douche are only the beginning of an exceedingly long list of things you've had to Google... honestly, for as many times as you've posted, you should've accidentally said something intelligent by now. That you haven't is almost genius in its idiocy, so kudos for that much I guess.

As for periods; terminal punctuation such as exclamation points, periods, and question marks go inside quotes when that terminal punctuation is attached to the quoted phrase or statement. When the quoted text is a singular word, phrase, or statement disassociated from the terminal punctuation then it goes outside the quotation marks.

... and literally nothing says basic douche more than trolling someone's profile in a desperate attempt to save face after they've repeatedly made you look stupid. Sign off pinkbike and find a GED course at your local night school, cupcake.
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 Pinkbike needs a serious clean up. Lots of scum here left in fin some dark corners. The stupid Trumpers above will look like dicks in 7 days when the us will be utterly overwhelmed...
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 @johniep: the key difference being that this article acknowledges the lack of factual information and uses available inferred information to urge calm, rational response... while those news reports use an absence of fact to fearmonger and create hysteria for their own benefit at a cost to the wellbeing of society.

And no, I neither want nor need your attention... but you pinkbike kids always get your panties knotted up over facts and it's good fun watching you fall over yourselves trying to attack me because I dared you to think for yourselves instead of blindly buying the propaganda you're fed.
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 @badbadleroybrown: @badbadleroybrown: The factual information is actually advice from what our respective goverments are telling us to do.

Unfortunately you have Trump upfront, so science and facts are ignored, but reality won't be. He can't just keep blaming this on China. Even the staunchest Trump supporters will see through it when they lose loved ones.
Luckily, most Americans aren't like you and the other two or three f*ckwits on here, who are badly losing their lame argument. The racist and bigot @RoadStain should be banned for some of his comments. He is a shit human.
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 @lev3000: Well China is obviously to blame, so is Italy, the only thing you can say is that judging them is pointless because we don't know how other societies would react to such outbreak. So far the only hero is South Korea. Nonetheless Chinese food markets are a biological bomb and there's no denying that their hygiene standards in many places in big cities are at best pre World War 2. If Western countries didn't test wild animals like elk or boars before eating them (doing it is against the law in almost every Western Country) we'd have horrific outbrakes of much worse diseases. Watching Asian or Middle East food markets, one can only wonder how the hell is it possible it's a first outbreak of this proportion? It's like driving a car on a Polish highway, or a mountain road through villages in Italy or Spain - one just wonders how the hell are there so few fatal accidents. And please don't put it on Western farming, we have at least basic safety protocols in place. They have virtually none. So yeah, China is to blame. Unless you want to get into rhetorics of X murderer is not guilty of butchering a 40yr old man - it's his parents who were beating him and locking him in a wooden box in the attic. Trump's and idiot. Who has any doubts about that?! Doesn't change the fact, that China fkd up. I don't need to know it from this retard and just because my opinion correlates with him, doesn't make me his supporter. Screw that dude. He deserves no less than 5 years of Alzheimers or dementia before kicking the bucket. World without him but with Corona would be better than him and no Corona. If he'd be at the helm of a totalitarian country he'd be one bloody dictator, whacko arranging concentration camps, public televised executions and what not.
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 @badbadleroybrown: Just admit it, correct period usage and other seemingly simply-made observations have somehow escaped you your entire life. And don’t blame it on obsessively reading Guns and Ammo, I know you just look at the pics.
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 @damzz: I know a TON of us that will NOT be overwhelmed.

First, working in healthcare most of the folks I work with and I have already decided that if things get "that bad" then screw em. Simply, we will not go to the facilities nor see patients. I happen to have a few months of food. Collectively, we are a VERY well-armed society, Bring it on. I will set "I am Legend" on auto-repeat on the DVR.

As for the rest of the world? I really could not give a f*ck less. Especially any Socialist or Communist country.
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 @lev3000: on your knees pleb, we're from the government and we're here to help.
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 @badbadleroybrown: do you have a common grandparent with Trump? You talk just like him.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 23, 2020 at 5:57) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: imagine being uneducated enough to think speech was hereditary.
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 @badbadleroybrown: He didn't imply it was passed down by genetics you moron.
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 @bulletbassman: yes he did . . . "Common grandparent"
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 23, 2020 at 6:16) (Below Threshold)
 @bulletbassman: actually, he did... as grandparents wouldn't otherwise be responsible for speech patterns. Had he said parents then we could've assumed he was referring to a shared primary caregiver in the formative years when speech develops but that isn't the case with grandparents... their only contribution would be genetic inheritance.
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 @badbadleroybrown: I gave you a way out. You didn’t use it... you are in the corner eating a burger, sipping Pepsi with AR15 under your arm
pit waiting for Habibi to pop in with AK47 shouting Corona Ackbar. The picture of Chris Kyle over your head won’t help with this big cross sectional area of your body.
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 @badbadleroybrown: I don't feel as though I have attacked you at all. You make some good points and I don't really know where I stand on the corona virus.

The only real facts in your posts are you are unable to write anything without insulting people. Through all of your education you seemed to have missed the human decency course. I hope you find better ways of feeling good about yourself.
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 @badbadleroybrown: who does your dad live with during his formative years?
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 @WAKIdesigns: did any of that shit sound like a witty comeback in your head before you typed it or are just so wound up from being off your meds that you starting vomiting up whatever came to mind as you angrily smashed away at your keyboard? The only thing you've ever given me was a laugh waki... you're a joke, just a pitiful little coward who rants and raves behind his keyboard because he's an ineffectual nobody in the real world.
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 @johniep: I wasn't referring to you specifically, obviously... and I'm perfectly capable of writing without insult and do so daily, I merely adjust to suit the audience. The pinkbike audience is largely unable to discuss anything without resorting to crying about Trump, ranting about AR15's, insults, and even wishing illness and death upon those they disagree with... so they get the level of respect from me that they've worked hard to earn.

Human decency is a contradiction in terms, humans are responsible for the sum total of indecent acts throughout history. Implying that there's some inherent level of decency appropriate for all humanity is absurd... we've got shitsacks like Waki here telling me to kill myself and you're bothered that I'm calling people idiots and puppets for unquestioningly accepting a narrative that infringes upon basic freedoms?
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 @bulletbassman: jesus, its like you're all in a competition for who can say the dumbest shit.
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 @badbadleroybrown: you won long time ago, we ar just fighting for the second spot. Holy fk I feel sorry for your employees...
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 @WAKIdesigns: Waki why are you feeding the trolls when you can be nerding out about some bike race from 8 years ago or getting a few hundred down/upvotes somewhere.
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 @bulletbassman: the truth is... I never look how many up/down votes I have... but yeah, time to leave this spot. I knew @DumbBadLeroy ble ble is a dickhead long time ago and I've been even sent pics of his fat ass. I'm just a sadist, I like punching fatties. He called an autistic dude a Piece of sht. Oh ooooooh I didn't, I can hear ble blyb bledblyp blep - where's my coat?
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 @badbadleroybrown: Oh, because of the other top of the food chain mamals (and fish, and birds, and snakes) are so so concerned about the feelings of their competitors???? That is a retarted theory.

Also, you, in general, do not hear rants about the LEGAL AR15....heck, it is just a .223, itty bitty gun. Those are for housewives and pre-pubescent first time shooters.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 23, 2020 at 9:18) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: lol you and your boys are so pathetic that you not only spent the effort to go out and find pictures of me but you share them with one another lol

Don't get your feelings hurt, I didn't call you a piece of shit because you're autistic... I called you a piece of shit regardless of your autism. That's equality buddy, just treating you the way I'd treat anyone else who was a piece of shit, your autism isn't an excuse for being a peeve of shit.

And I legit dare you to find the balls to come try and punch me.. lol but we both know you're a straight running bitch and you'd never have the balls to do a damn thing face to face.
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 @badbadleroybrown: you realize you uploaded photos of yourself to this site right?
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 @bulletbassman: his fame goes beyond his photo albums... just saying Smile
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 @bulletbassman: you realize you still have to put in the effort of trolling my profile to them, right?
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 @badbadleroybrown:
@badbadleroybrown: Can we ban badbadleroybrown for spreading misinformation? He's already contradicted himself several times and has begun to source unverified articles. I think he's trying to get a rise out of people.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 23, 2020 at 11:42) (Below Threshold)
 @ricksterjack: where'd I contradict myself? And unverified... Stanford professors are unverified now?

Typical liberal snowflake, facts hurt your feelings so you want to ban them. Rolleyes
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 @badbadleroybrown:

Stanford is considered a conservative university. Google the Hoover Institute.
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 @endlessblockades: I swear, if it wasn't for dumb shit you kids wouldn't have anything to say...

Roughly 1% of Stanford students and faculty identify as conservative, less than two months ago more than a dozen professors published a statement attacking the Hoover institute, and a month ago the Stanford Daily published an article entitled "Do conservatives belong at Stanford" which, in its defense, was actually fairly balanced... but the fact that such a question could even be asked thoroughly refutes your idiotic assertion that it's considered a conservative university.
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 @badbadleroybrown: Google the Hoover Institute. Any administration allowing that coven of evil to roost is not run by the 'Libtards' that you so fear. My son goes there.





....for baseball camp.
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 @endlessblockades: Hoover’s mission statement focuses upon supporting “the Constitution of the United States, its Bill of Rights and our method of representative government in the U.S.” Hoover’s methodologies include using its research to show America “the road to peace, to personal freedom and to the safeguards of the American system.”...

Yes, quite the coven of evil. Rolleyes

I get it, it's very obvious that you're a radical leftist outraged by the foundational values of this nation and a straight up moron, no need to work so hard proving it.
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 @badbadleroybrown:

Dang bro, you Googled the heck out of that! You are a tremendous Googler You'll do a fine job Googling - the greatest!
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 @endlessblockades: yeah... it took a lot to Google "conservative representation Stanford" and then click a few links. Really tough, might have taken me a whole 45 seconds, I can see why you struggled.
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 @badbadleroybrown: Banning is also in Riverside County, right?
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 @badbadleroybrown: You might want to pack your bags.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 23, 2020 at 15:52) (Below Threshold)
 @endlessblockades: why would I want to pack my bags?
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 Can you shut the fk up?
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 @lev3000: Yeah please block @RoadStain and anyone else I don’t agree with. Open conversation triggers me!
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 @hubses Hey man it just a little Below Threshold fun and PB digs the clicks. Don't trip on it breh.
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 SHUT THE FUCK UP ! ALL OF YOU.
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 @kittenjuice: Nah... I think we'll carry on.
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 @badbadleroybrown: People have collectively spoken. You're digging your own grave now. Have fun with high blood pressure. Big Grin
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 @ricksterjack: we should all thank him for taking the time to give us his fascinating perspective.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I've been so enlightened at the level of his confident ignorance. Badbadleroybrown has officially put himself in the same category as an anti-vaccinator. Much love and respect to others with constructive feedback.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 24, 2020 at 7:26) (Below Threshold)
 @ricksterjack: it's cute that you wanna talk about anti vaxxers while you idiot's are the ones ignoring statistics and science.

And no worries on my blood pressure, all my numbers are spot on... 110/72. You lot are the ones getting worked up over the hysteria, I'm muy tranquillo
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 @badbadleroybrown: ¿ Donde esta la tequila ?
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 @badbadleroybrown: Lol. I'm pro vaccines bro. You're on your own.
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 @ATV25: It's 3rd cabinet on the right.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 24, 2020 at 9:12) (Below Threshold)
 @ricksterjack: didn't say or imply that you were anti vax genius... only that you clearly have no understanding of virology or epidemiology with which to frame the current situation. You may be pro vax but you're apparently anti reading comprehension.
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 @badbadleroybrown: Thanks.I will vote for Bernie Sanders with you.
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 @ricksterjack: glad to hear it... you Bernie bots fragmenting the vote will ensure four more years of Trump and guarantee that America gets back on course after this shitstorm. Your volunteer efforts for Trump 2020 are greatly appreciated.
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 @bulletbassman: Amen brother. I got sucked into some of the troll rants. Should be sucked into bike stuff.
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 @badbadleroybrown: You win the troll medal of this page. Congrats.
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 Hey @canadaka @radek @existenz @bentomas how about an unsubscribe button so I dont have to get 5000 notifications from this thread anymore? The unfollow button doesnt even work btw, I still see @badbadleroybrown and @WAKIdesigns 's stupid ass comments on my feed.

Please and thanks
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 @me2menow: Yes please. @badbadleroybrown has been spreading misinformation non stop. I know he destroyed his own credibility already but now we have to filter through his bullshit like a bad popup advertisement.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 24, 2020 at 12:33) (Below Threshold)
 @ricksterjack: aww, still getting your feelings hurt over facts.... poor lil guy. Just because you're not smart enough to understand facts doesn't make them any less factual. You'll feel plenty stupid a year from now when everything is fine and millions upon millions of people didn't die... just sit tight for now and you can come back and tell me I was right later.
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 @badbadleroybrown:

"You'll feel plenty stupid a year from now when everything is fine and millions upon millions of people didn't die..."

Really hoping this "becomes" fact.
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 @badbadleroybrown:
Jesus man. Stop being a little c@nt. Every time I log on to pinkbike I’ve got about 50 notifications and it’s still you banging your keyboard.
Practice what you preach. Get on your bike and do some riding. You’ve been wasting hours here.
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 @Ryanfitz81: This is great. Y’all are just fueling the fire. I haven’t been this entertained in a while. What a show!!!
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 @badbadleroybrown: You just contradicted yourself again. LMFAO.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 24, 2020 at 15:54) (Below Threshold)
 @ricksterjack: sure I did lil guy...
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 24, 2020 at 15:55) (Below Threshold)
 @Ryanfitz81: I mostly only use pinkbike from my phone... no keyboard, no banging. Just enjoying the tears, so please keep crying.

PS - if it takes you "hours" to respond to comments on pinkbike, you're doing it wrong.
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 @badbadleroybrown: it's been an hour without a dumb message from you, getting tired already?
What do you think of Obamacare?
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 I reckon we need to keep putting another fine in the jukebox until his keyboard springs pop out.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 24, 2020 at 17:38) (Below Threshold)
 @damzz: nope, not tired at all... was walking the dog. Obamacare is trash, glad it's mostly gone.
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 @badbadleroybrown: please explain
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 @damzz: explain walking the dog? It's when you take your dog, go outside, and walk with them so they can sniff around and shit... then you clean up after them (unless it's California where you just leave it on the ground with the homeless people's shit)... repeat over a few miles.
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 @badbadleroybrown: lol. Tell me about Pelosi.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 24, 2020 at 18:52) (Below Threshold)
 @damzz: old, bitter, alcoholic spinster who's more concerned with her own wealth and power than the will or good of the American people
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 @badbadleroybrown:
Not seeing the irony of this, hey?
Isn't you grabber in chief about to reopen America for business, killing tens of thousands just to reopen Mar-a-lago?
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 24, 2020 at 19:24) (Below Threshold)
 @damzz: no lives are being saved by anyone staying home, and no Trump isn't about to reopen mar a lago.

Pelosi on the other hand, has consistently voted against policies that would benefit the American people, long before Trump had any role in politics.

If you wanna talk irony, it's folks like Pelosi and Schumer with 70+ combined years in office blaming Trump for the state of the country when he's been in office for 3 years. Sad part of that irony is idiot's like you being dumb enough to believe them.
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 @badbadleroybrown: "no lives are being saved by staying home".
ok let's have another look at your American casualties in a few weeks.
Of course it saves lives, you moron.
Let's add a few words I'm sure you love, just to make you go to bed happy.
Gun control.
Abortion.
Mexicans.
EV.
Obama.
Muslims.
Veganism.
Science.
Critical thinking.
CNN.
Feminism.
On that note, I'm out, over to someone else to keep you triggered ????????
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 24, 2020 at 19:52) (Below Threshold)
 @damzz: it's cute that you think I'm triggered when you're the one having a tantrum over the sociopolitical climate of a country you don't even live in... what was it you were saying about irony? lol
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 @damzz: So @badbadleroybrown eloquently answered all 4 of your great questions, and now your out.
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 @Rageingdh: yeah bud, reality is I'm not a Democrat, and I don't give a sh*t about your country. Just adding some fuel to enjoy the show.
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 @damzz: Well that’s great that your not a Democrat. “Not that there’s anything wrong with that”.
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 @damzz: "I don't care about your country, I'm just obsessing about what your president does and what your citizens think."

Sounds legit...
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flag hubsession (Mar 25, 2020 at 3:15) (Below Threshold)
 @badbadleroybrown: Preach. Thoroughly enjoying you ruining this soy boy circle jerk.
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 Well that was an interesting look into what concerns people most.
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 @james691: badleybrown is pretty sociopathic. Someone who doesn't understand the concept of human decency and upvotes comments on natural selection when discussing a pandemic shouldn't be labeled a person.
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 @badbadleroybrown: I will never belittle my dogs shit comparing it to the homeless ! LOL
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 25, 2020 at 8:17) (Below Threshold)
 @bulletbassman: it's adorable when you kids use words you don't understand because your feelings are hurt. Decency is a moral variable subject to popular culture; for a time it was considered basic human decency to require they blacks be segregated from whites in all aspects of polite society. So, while I fully understand human decency, I'm not some puppet to politically correct culture that allows it to rule my life. Natural selection on the other hand, is an unfailing universal truth of life and no amount of your virtue signaling in desperate efforts to signal your decency on social media will change that reality.
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 @badbadleroybrown: so what you're saying is you adhere to classical liberal ideology?
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 25, 2020 at 9:57) (Below Threshold)
 @chacou: for the most part, very much so... fiscally conservative, socially liberal by more modern, pre-progressive liberalism, standards. Modern liberalism has just fully jumped the shark and the progressive push to the far left inherently forces everything else further right.
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 @badbadleroybrown: Classical economic liberalism paired with modern liberalism but drawing a line on certain "human rights" and then comments like "Implying that there's some inherent level of decency appropriate for all humanity is absurd". Sounds like a difficult, complicated philosophy to live with. How do you, or do you, keep from falling back on nihilism?
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 @chacou - Oh I love that, now BBLB is an intellectual... progressive, liberalism, nihilism, someone mentioned him being a sociopath, lots of big words to dress up an a*shole. Bloke is the epitome of a prick, he runs a company believes he is a self made man, overrides everything with self confidence, and whoever doesn’t live up to his standards is a loser, and anyone who is struggling - it’s their fault. You will never sense doubt in anything he writes. I feel socially obliged to point that there is really nothing more to it other than he is an exemplary prick.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 25, 2020 at 10:44) (Below Threshold)
 @chacou: I wouldn't say I'm overtly nihilist though I certainly have some nihilistic leanings... I do believe life is inherently meaningless absent what meaning you're able to instill into it through your choices and actions but I wouldn't say that I reject outright the premise of a basic level of universal morality. I just largely limit the extent of my moral judgement mostly to acts of violence without necessity.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 25, 2020 at 10:47) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: I've been an intellectual all my life you dumbshit... being an intellectual and being an a*shole aren't in any way mutually exclusive propositions. You're just a bitter failure with no sense of personal responsibility and a deep seated obsession with me, that speaks more to the failings of your parents, teachers, relatives, and anyone else who had a hand in your development than it does to any failings in my approach to life.

It really is impressive just how much you get wrong about me given your level of obsession and the effort you've devoted to trying to think you know anything about me.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I do not know BBLB but all he is doing is the same thing that the people who disagree with him are doing, stating his opinion and backing it up with facts. Look has anyone heard the term "perception is reality" ? My perception is my reality, yours is yours and his is his do on and so forth. I happen to agree with BBLB in this case, but who knows what the next "argument" will bring !
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 @ATV25:
I choose to perceive that Aaron Gwin won the 2019 DH WC. Does that make it reality? Would I just need someone to agree with me to make it reality?

Point being, in many cases reality is just reality, it doesn't depend on how a certain individual perceives it. Down is down, the sky is blue, most things in life are like this. It is not political to agree that Aaron Gwin did not win the 2019 WC, why are other things, that are also just facts, viewed as political or depending upon an individuals perception?

This is an honest question by the way, one of these questions that keeps me up from time to time.
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 @ATV25: www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-power-prime/201908/perception-is-not-reality
TLDR:
"The challenge we face with our own thinking, as well as the thinking of others, is how to ensure that perceptions remain close to reality. This alignment is essential for us to live in the real world, find consensus with others, and maintain the individual, governmental, and societal structures that are necessary for life as we know it to exist."
This has become next to impossible with the tribal epistemology of the current era, ie: "alternative facts" vs actual facts
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 @badbadleroybrown: Only really asking as I'm getting bored with all the scrolling down required to keep up with this shitstorm.

Were you at school with either of the guys behind South Park by any chance?
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 @MeloBikeCO: I strongly disagree with the perception is reality view of the world... it holds true to subjective things like whether or not something is funny or scary but, as you said, reality is just reality... which is precisely my point here. The statistical reality of the current situation does not align with the degree of fear mongering and hysteria surrounding it. People are perceiving this to be a far greater threat than it is and responding with a level of fear that isn't commensurate to reality.
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 @metaam: no... but I did meet Matt Stone once. lol
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 @MeloBikeCO: if you had no news of the results and someone told you and you believed it as fact then in your mind Gwin would be the champ until, if you ever, found out different. Your reality.
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 @badbadleroybrown: Your point is exactly what I am saying. How many of seek the honest truth ? Most align with one side or the other and get their information accordingly. I will admit that I do this most of the time ( my reality ) but in this case I have tried to be neutral in obtaining information. The numbers are not lying, this is mass hype and hysteria, bordering paranoia. I hope everybody comes through this okay but that will probably not be the case.
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 @badbadleroybrown:
I still don't understand how if you look at the statistics you wouldn't think that the reactions are justified. I think all would agree that what is going on in Italy right now is terrible and that if we can avoid that outcome, we should. There is a simple chart in this article that shows we are on a very similar course as they are.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/future-perfect/2020/3/20/21179040/coronavirus-us-italy-not-overreacting

Now you can say that the US is the best, therefore we will just do some magic stuff and it will all get better. But so far we are just 8 days behind Italy, statistically speaking. If we do pull off some magic, myself and likely everyone else will be ecstatic, I will admit that the "fear mongering" worked on me and be even more sceptical in the future(BTW this is the first time, in my over 40 years, I have ever felt unsafe in the US). If the US doesn't pull off some sort of miracle though, what will your reaction be?
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 @ATV25:
I wouldn't just believe some random person though, so your point is moot without a specific setup.

You have a confusing combination of things in your statement. "Mass hype and hysteria...hope everyone comes through this okay...but that will probably not be the case." So you are believing the hype and expect some to die(which is already happening)?

I think that what you and BBLB are really saying is that you've done some calculations in your head and decided that if the economy get damaged by some particular amount(down 25% or something, IDK) and that only saves 25,000 lives, that the reaction wasn't worth it. You should just type your numbers out and end the discussion. I don't know how to format that but perhaps:

If the reaction damages the economy more than 1% per 10,000 lives saved then it wasn't worth it.

Fill in your numbers after you have put a dollar figure on human life.
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 @MeloBikeCO: Italy has roughly 75000 cases, and roughly 7500 fatalities... and a population of 60,000,000. That's 0.1% infection rate and 0.01% fatality rate... and they've really gotten hit disproportionately hard compared to the rest of the world.

Just for arguments sake, let's assume we're in the same boat... If I told you that you had a 0.1% chance of waking up a billionaire tomorrow, you wouldn't put a down payment on a yacht today... but a 0.1% chance of catching COVID and you're gonna go full panic mode?
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 @MeloBikeCO: the numbers depend entirely upon the life in question, objectively speaking. Subjectively, none of us wants to see those we care about suffer or die but objectively speaking it's pretty hard to argue that the good of the many doesn't outweigh the survival of the few. If it saves 1000 lives but puts 1,000,000 in the unemployment line is that worth it? Those lives had better be pretty damn objectively valuable... better go on to save some other lives, cure some diseases, solve some world changing issues.
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 @badbadleroybrown:
Just speechless... So you are saying that they have it under control and there are no new infections or deaths expected?

No, clearly that isn't true. If we use your method of calculating risk, there was a 0% chance that anyone outside of China would be infected, or killed, looking at the #'s in the beginning of January.

The rate of infection has continued to climb in Italy and in the US. Perhaps something will slow it down, but nothing has yet. So you using current figures of known cases and coming up with your .1% infected and .01% deathrate has no relevance here at all.
Will a lot more people die in Italy? Yes.
Will a lot more people die in the US? Yes.

How many people should die to protect your 401k from a temporary drop of a few more percentage points?
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 @badbadleroybrown:
Oh don't worry about having to see them suffer and die. No one will be allowed into the areas where the people that have coronavirus are doing the dieing, because using up valuable PPE will not be a good use of resources.

At least you put a number on it, 1,000,000 people temporarily out of work > 1,000 people dead. So right now we are at perhaps 4,000,000 unemployed because of this and 900 dead, we can just keep track and see how your balance sheet works out in the end.
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 @MeloBikeCO: first off, nowhere did I say that it was under control... but when we're not even talking about full percentage points in terms of chances for infection then it's not remotely worth the level of hysteria. And nothing about what I said claims or even implies that there was a zero percent chance of spread beyond China, not sure how you even managed to infer that but that's not remotely correct. In fact, there was closer to a zero percent chance that this wouldn't go global. That's not relevant at all to incidence of infection numbers.

Yes, more people will die... no, enough people to reach a statistically significant threshold justifying the hysterics will not die.

And my 401k has nothing to do with it... in fact, I'm up almost 40% in March alone... 5% today.

What this has to do with is the millions of people who are being laid off, businesses where they work potentially failing, families missing their mortgage payments, homes being foreclosed on... none of these things apply to me personally and it's sad that, for all the talk of human decency and feigned compassion being thrown about, that none of you seem to care about that reality.

And if we're talking numbers, I was just throwing out 1,000,000:1000 as a random example. My own tolerance would be far far higher than that. Shit, depending upon the individuals, I wouldn't even be overly upset with a 1:1 ratio. Most people these days are just taking up space and wasting resources, for all folks want to bitch about the ills of the world none are more pressing than overpopulation. Wanna fix climate change, a few million fewer humans is a damn good way to start. Sadly, this isn't gonna be that bad.
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 @badbadleroybrown: Wow you guys are still going? I know you want people to see you as an arrogant a*shole(Or strong and independent). I hate to be the one to tell you but you are coming across as neither. Your insults are nothing but juvenile . Im guessing your parents did not try to teach you to find self worth by insulting those around you. So really who's parents actually failed.
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 @johniep: hey, lil Johnny is back...

If what you've taken away from any of this is that I care in any way how people on the internet see me, then you really haven't been paying attention.
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 @badbadleroybrown: I don't think you care about how anyone thinks of you unless it serves you
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 @badbadleroybrown: I'm genuinely interested in your honest opinion on how the US administration thinks, the mind of Donald Trump, and why you, a clearly intelligent and honest person, are a fan of the latter, who is the opposite. Just to improve my understanding of the phenomenon. I'm not judging and I'm probably not in a position to do so anyway. Are we talking poverty/health-based eugenics, with the meek cut out of the will?
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 @bulletbassman: the dude is clearly a brutal nihilist hiding behind some veil of I assume libertarianism. But yeah, the evidence he's presenting in this thread leads me to believe that he's no libertarian or conservative but just a closeted brutal nihilist, the mental gymnastics are impressive albeit repugnant
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 @badbadleroybrown:

If we don't curb infection rates by continuing drastic measures in the next few weeks, we're looking at losing 0.33% of world population by April 15th.
That's like 500 million infected, 25 million dead. 1/3 as bad as WWII. 3 weeks from now.

COVID-19 infections are still increasing at an exponential rate, doubling every few days, except in countries where they locked down early. (China, S. Korea). Hong Kong is seeing its 2nd wave.

Some gross misinterpretations of the stats here throughout this thread, in general.
It's foolish to calculate mortality rate by dividing current deaths by total population in any country, while only a small fraction of every country's population has been exposed.

Here's a decent source for infections and mortality rate.
www.cebm.net/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates

Look at the countries with large sample numbers
- Italy: 9% mortality rate (likely greater than world average, due to old population)
- Spain: 7% morality rate
- China: 4% mortality rate (possibly under-reporting numbers; they did this early on at least)
- USA: 1.4% mortality rate (also possible under-reporting; poor testing; fairly early in our exposure)

While a broad economic shutdown may do more aggregate damage to humanity than to-date COVID-19 deaths have done, we haven't seen anything yet. The expected damage by COVID-19 looks significant if projected forward.
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 @badbadleroybrown:
Either you are completely ignorant or just acting completely ignorant. Using the infection rate and death toll numbers up through today and then trying to say that there is an infection rate of .1% is a totally worthless number. You have to look at the trend, and the trend says with our totally lax attitude that we have currently, a huge % of people will catch this without some further intervention.

Nobody I have heard talking about these measures glosses over the fact that it will hurt the economy. It will hurt, for sure, but then it will get better. Most people have decided that choosing people dying over some dollars is a pretty simple decision, most people choose having less people die.

You have decided that if 1 person living costs 1 job, then let that person die, if they do not meet your standards. So let me ask you this about some that have died, since you feel you should be judge of the world. How many jobs was the well known 58 year old restauranteur that died today worth? How many jobs was the thirty something healthcare worker that died last weekend in her apartment after waiting for 3 days for her test to come back worth? How many jobs was the famous musician that died in Paris worth? How many jobs are each of the Italian healthcare workers that have died so far worth(unfortunately there will be more since almost 10% of those infected are healthcare workers)?

You are just a person that is hard for me to accept exists. To paraphrase you "We are overpopulated, so too bad this won't kill a few million..." Well keep thinking it is no big deal and we might just meet your goal.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 25, 2020 at 15:43) (Below Threshold)
 @chrod: first off, I'm not shedding a tear if we lose 3% of the world population in 3 weeks. But, no we're not gonna have 25 million dead in three weeks.

And those mortality rates are based upon the number of infected individuals not population. Like I said... 0.1% of Italy is infected, 0.01% has died. Even if that number increased 10x its still minor and the whole "we haven't seen anything yet" argument is exactly the brainless hysteria causing issues.

The world isn't running out of people any time soon.
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 @badbadleroybrown:
You don't even represent your ridiculous stats right. 0.1% of the Italian population, that has been tested, is infected. That has nearly nothing to do with how many are infected and nothing to do with how many will be infected. Are you this dim, or are you playing it up?
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 @MeloBikeCO: No genius... 0.1% of the total population, not of the population which has been tested. Actually it's about 1/8th of 1%, 0.123%. 75000 / 60500000.

What were you saying about dim?
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 @badbadleroybrown:
I realized that I didn't write that the way I meant, and I knew you would choose to be dull about it. Italy has over 74,000 cases out of about 240,000 tests conducted. Why do you keep bringing in the entire population of Italy it is irrelevant, just like your .1 or .123 number.

Just like a good conspiracy theorist you decided to focus on the easy jab instead of the real information.

Anyway you have already said the most telling thing, that you are more than fine with the death of those that are not deemed worthy, in your opinion. So I'm out, and I hope to never meet you.
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 @badbadleroybrown: Lil Johnny,I like that. Not sure if that was one of your insults or not though?
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 25, 2020 at 16:45) (Below Threshold)
 @johniep: I mean, not unless you're a midget in which case it'd be pretty insulting, even if amusingly unintentional. Meant it as more condescending than insulting.
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 @badbadleroybrown: pro-abortion?
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 @BenPea: not as a consistent means of contraception but, otherwise, absolutely.
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 @MeloBikeCO: I don't believe a random person, I said I agree with his views. Yes some are dying but look at the demographics, older and/or with underlying health issues.
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 @badbadleroybrown: is Pelosi to far along after birth to 'abort'?
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 25, 2020 at 17:59) (Below Threshold)
 @MeloBikeCO: so... by your own admission, you failed to accurately convey your intended meaning but me assuming you meant what you said and not magically divining what you really meant is me being "dull" in some way? That's an interesting take...

The only people getting tested are people who feel like shit and think they need to get tested so of course a large percentage of those tested show positive... you'd have to be an idiot to try and infer some significance from that. Without some stochastic testing there's nothing to be derived from looking at the test population. That you don't understand that only underscores how incapable you are of independent, critical thought on this matter.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 25, 2020 at 18:00) (Below Threshold)
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flag RoadStain (Mar 25, 2020 at 18:10) (Below Threshold)
 @badbadleroybrown: PT wanting to be tested....for real....seriously cut off his own scrotum (and balls) and swallowed the blade....while he did get a ride to the ED, got a few stitches, a tube to the tummy and a ride back home (Federal Prison).

Fun times!
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 @badbadleroybrown:
"Like I said... 0.1% of Italy is infected, 0.01% has died. Even if that number increased 10x ..."

Do you understand exponential curves?

A statistic that doubles every two days will be >10x in 7 days. So... check back next week? Italy may have lost 0.1% by then. Unless, as lots of people are saying, we take drastic measures which will hurt wallets.
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 @chrod:
Unfortunately everyone that will die in 5 days has it now, so our actions today won't change anything for at least 2 weeks.
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flag badbadleroybrown (Mar 25, 2020 at 18:47) (Below Threshold)
 @chrod: ok... so how much money would you like to wager on there not being 60,000 dead Italians in 7 days. I'm confident in my conclusions, let's put some money on it if you're so confident in yours.
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 @MeloBikeCO: Yep. And we'll only begin to see improvements due to whatever we do now in a few weeks.
Any improvements in tomorrow's numbers will have been due to measures taken just around the time Trump declared a national emergency in the US on 3/13.
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 @badbadleroybrown: A roll of TP?
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 @chrod: a whole roll!? That's high stakes! lol

Interesting read supporting the position that the hysteria is overplayed and that herd immunity is already significant.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b
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 @badbadleroybrown: 2.2 trillion, up in flames.
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 @badbadleroybrown: you poor f@cks are going to be retiring at 80 at this rate
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 @BenPea: no biggie... not the first economic clusterf*ck we've been hit by and we've spent more on dumber shit than this, we'll be fine.
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 @Ryanfitz81: speak for yourself... nothing about this situation is delaying my retirement. In fact, my portfolios been going nowhere but up, at this pace I'm gonna finish up 40% for March alone, volatility is smart money's best friend.
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 @badbadleroybrown: So why the objection to the measures? Surely the further they go the more you'll make.
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 @metaam: I don't object to the basic idea of stimulus for those that need it in this situation... what was passed is too broad reaching, incentivizes unemployment too much, and is too poisoned by backdoored pet spending but in general, I have no issue with it. And if anything, this will stabilize markets further and slow volatility, which I'm also fine with. Not sure where you're getting the idea that I'm objecting.
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 lol. everyone picked june for a return to order b/c that's when most bike parks open Big Grin
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 Yep thats exactly why I picked june haha
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 California winter-
January: Not yet
Febuary: Not yet
March: Give them a taste
April: hold it
May: GO! GO! GO!
June: Bike park opening had been delayed due to late season storms


Nooooooooo!
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 @SacAssassin: yeah, they probably won't even open the bike parks such as northstar, whistler that are owned by vail if the virus gets any worse, especially if they closed many ski resorts for the season. just my thought.
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 @dylanrutz: I’m thinking the same if this goes on for much longer them the summer session is hosed. Will be a bummer for sure but I’ll just have to hit up some local trails and pedal. Plus truckee bike park looks like its doing some great work and I’d love to see what they accomplished since I was there in 2018.
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 they added a lot last year, and they are going to add more this spring. I just hope the virus wont impact this summer.
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 Yupp, I've already got reservations for a weekend at Snowshoe Frown
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 It’s completely decimated sales in the industry I’m in. I don’t see the virus problem being solved before mid-late 2021 (yes, 18 months away). And the resulting global recession will last much longer.

On the plus side it’s good for climate change and may change how people behave long term.
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 I spoke with a friend recently. He's working in semiconductor industry. Big stuff. Like the biggest wind turbines. Bike industry compared to that is a joke. He said bluntly. Nothing will change. It's money driven civilization. We will all fuckin die. If not we, our children will. This boat goes nowhere. This pandemic is not even a foretaste of what's comming. We violate this planet in the worst possible way. It will kill us in return. Cosmos is not exactly full of life. Economy may be the horrific answer to Fermi's paradox.
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 The only change to human behaviour that will be attributed to the pandemic is peoples ability to be even bigger assholes than they were before.
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 @goroncy: I bet you're a real hit at parties.
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flag ATV25 (Mar 20, 2020 at 19:21) (Below Threshold)
 @goroncy: Smart friend, last I looked we all will die . . . It's called biology ! Jesus H Christ get an original thought
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 No big deal, just learn how to code.
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 @goroncy: you do know that the average person hates honesty and realistic views, right?
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 @unrooted: I know. My life is far from easy.
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 @goroncy:

Catabolic Capitalismi indeed.
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 When everything got shut down, work, schools, canceled spring vacation plans, etc, I figured I could still make it feel normal by getting out on my bike and get my family out there with me. It's spring and the sun is shinning after all! Then the magnitude of the situation hit me. We can't get injured right now... We can't cause unnecessary burden on the already taxed medical system. The Doctors and nurses are working around the clock right now. We need to respect their effort and the people we could be taking resources away from. I don't want someone to die because I needed to smash a berm. For me, it's bike maintenance season for the short term, and maybe a cardio road ride now and then. Stay well everyone. We'll get through this if we all do our part.
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 We're not there yet in the Americas and lets just hope we don't get there either. Hopefully we won't get hit to the extent europe has but we'll just have to wait and see. Hopefully we're far enough behind Europe in terms of cases and have the benefit of their experience to avoid that level of crisis. For now feel free to bike, just avoid people and be extremely hygenic when you do.
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 @bulletbassman: Hope as a tactic.
Europes experience is that failing to act swiftly and decisively and instigate mass testing leads to the rapid spread and increase in infection rates.Followed by the collapse of critical emergency care.
Americas response is to go on spring break and talk about exciting new healthcare insurance products.
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 @bulletbassman: This guy is part of the the reason why the US is on a steeper trajectory than other countries. I am currently watching a half dozen kids play basketball outside, or as I like to call it, ignorantcontagiousball.
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 @xphysnerd: The US will be fine.They have guns. And freedom.
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 @watchmen: yes, yes we do!
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 @watchmen:

a bunch of rorschach wannabes fighting over the scraps of a dying empire...this should be interesting.
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 @xphysnerd: I said for now feel free to bike and simply avoid people and be extremely hygenic. There are zero covid cases at my local ER. If I crashed my MTB it'd be just another day for them. Of course that may change, but MTB isn't basketball bro.

I'm laid off, cant see my gf cause she has to work and my mom is an at risk patient. Until there is an actual reason I shouldn't mtb I'm going to. If I lived in Italy my bike would be away like everyone else's.

So to throw out a random dumb generalization people like you are why there are no toilet paper in stores. Wink
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 @bulletbassman: The likelihood is you already have been hit in a similar manner to Europe, just you can't see it yet due to a lack of testing and a 14 day incubation period, this is exactly the same mistake European countries made.
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 @GrandMasterOrge: I'm aware it's going to get worse before it gets better. All the more reason to get some riding in while I can.
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 I have on problem with this Poll... I travel very little anyways, I work shit loads anyways, I don’t go to pubs, I hate concerts and deeply despise mass events, I generally don’t like people, use little toilet paper, my elderly family is 1200km from me - so basically unless it’s forbidden to get out, Corona changes nothing for me. Being introvert has its perks...
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 Wait, you work?! I thought you spent all your time here...
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 @teagues: you just made my day XD
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 Yep, same here. I've often thought I'd be particularly well suited to the Mars mission!
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 Why does it always have to be about you?
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flag WAKIdesigns (Mar 20, 2020 at 23:45) (Below Threshold)
 @Ryanfitz81: it was not about me, it was about many people who are so introvert it changes almost nothing in their lives Smile
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 @WAKIdesigns: Replace the word “I” for “some people” and it will seem less like a piece on yourself and more like you’re commenting on society.
Seriously I could be your Pinkbike comments coach. I can help you help yourself.
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 @Ryanfitz81: how much do you charge?
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 Are you eating better or worse?


Worse cos panic buyers bought all the fruit and veg for the second day in a row.
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 Its funny my restaurant is 5 course family style. With a set menu that changes every 2 weeks.
Constantly having to do a completely different menu for gluten free people.

But now i go to the grocery store and all the bread is gone bagels rolls hotdog buns.

Nothing left.

So I go to the flour baking powder isle. Guess what?

Nothing left.
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 @reverend27: It's sad because all this stuff they are buying will probably go out of date and thrown out. Had to go to 4 different shops to find milk and bread for my Grandad.
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 @reverend27: Its interesting to see whats important in a crisis. If you need flour or bread at any store around me, its likely going to be gluten free or brown rice based.
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 Stores will restock, the food supply chain is fine and shouldn't be disrupted unless shit get like really, really, collapsing society bad. This past week I feel I've been eating great. Lunch is usually my shit meal, since we make breakfast and dinner at home. Either some frozen crap or food trucks. Replacing that with a home cooked meal every days has made a huge difference. Made my first pizza on the grill a couple days ago...tasty!
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 UK Government just announced they'll pay 80% of people wages (max £2500) if they're unable to go to work.

Im self employed and customers are cancelling jobs. I'm entitled to £94 a week...
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 Apply for UC for living/rent as it will be more than SSP. If mortgaged definitely get the holiday as all will be granted at no credit rating effect. Far from ideal I know. As the schools shut today all my contract work has gone. tup
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 @Dropthedebt: Thanks. Looking into the mortgage holiday now.
Will look at the UC.
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 Don't spend it all on toilet paper!
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 @Dropthedebt: Cheers dude
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 I’m in that boat too. Does seem rather unfair don’t you think?
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 @Dropthedebt @robguide: I've just signed up to Amazon Flex. At least then if I don't have a job to go to that day I can do some deliveries.
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 @Allen82: obvs I don't know your sector but Tesco/Asda/Sainsbury etc all crying out for drivers across the board. From HGV to home delivery class. So are NHS for Hospital delivery and Pharmacy. Might be worth checking that out also mate. tup
  • 15 1
 Working with a few infectious disease experts, their concern and relative "fear of the unknown" is disconcerting. One guy we recently chatted with mentioned that he doesn't expect to see a peak in cases in the US for another 2-4 weeks, and feels that the # of infected are grossly under-reported. And anything other than that, he is unwilling to even make an educated guess on. We shall see what happens, but first and foremost, stay safe fellow riders! We'll get through this one baby step at a time!
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 He's absolutely right about under-reported cases in the US.

We know that while COVID-19 is far from "just the fu", a significant number of cases do have mild symptoms. The problem is that in much of the United States, if you have mild symptoms and don't have a known contact with a COVID-19 infected individual, you're not eligible for testing. Which means that there are a good number of people sick with COVID-19, who if they showed up at their doctor's office or a drive through , wouldn't be given a test because their symptoms don't qualify them for one of the limited number of tests available.

There are two methods that have been shown to be effective so far: China's authoritarian "Shut Everything Down" method, and South Korea's "Test All the People and Use Technology" method.

To get there, South Korea tests about 15k people every day. In the US, with a population more than 6x bigger than South Korea, had tested a total of about 41k people total on Tuesday.

The best analogy I've heard is that trying to fight COVID-19 without proper testing is like trying to do surgery with the lights of.
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 @atourgates: please everyone upvote this guy.
We have no idea how many are positive in the USA.
Because there is no testing its just out there multiplying. I think in the next 6-10 days shit will hit the fan.

Please everyone do everything you can to slow the transmission.
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 @reverend27: but we do know how many have died.
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 @brncr6: so what are you getting at?
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 @reverend27: we have no idea how many have the virus but we know how many have died, so the death rate % can be a lot lower then what we think it is. A million people could have it for all we know.
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 @reverend27: Panicky Pete, calm down. I assume you live in a big city? Glad you’re not my neighbor.
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 Gre@brncr6:
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 I actually been riding more since the shutdown, can't go to work. There's no restriction on Mt.Biking or Hiking in my area, plus it is an individual sport! Bike prices should plunge soon, just look at the online sales....looking for deals on E-bike to up my social distancing game even more!!!
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 Just bought a Decoy after hating on eBikes for a while. Total game changer! So much fun and still a really tough workout. I can do 3 downhills in the time it takes to do 1.
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 @ryan83: LIAR....eBikes are a known carrier of Corona's.
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 @RoadStain: now that you mention it, all of this started the moment I took delivery on it.
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 @ryan83: congratulations, you're no longer a mountain biker.
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 @ryan83: who cares
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 @warmerdamj: Just so I am clear, it’s brotastic to take a shuttle truck or ski lift to the top of the mountain. I eliminate that reliance and open up 100x more trails by strapping 20lbs to my bike. Doing so takes me out of your MTB club? Think about that logic for a second...

Fun fact: I’ve measured my heart rate while riding my other 2 mountain bikes and it’s the same exact average. The ebike just allows me to do more riding in the same period of time, exerting the same level of energy. If you want to go more slow uphill, cool. I still do that in in addition to ebike and YZ250 rides.

Just go ride and be happy.
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 @ryan83: Out of curiosity, what was your initial hate on e-bikes based upon?
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 @vinay: all the same crap people say: you are lazy, it’s a motorbike, it’s going to cause us to lose access, and so on. All are incorrect. I’m an avid dirt biker and can verify that it’s not even close in terms of power or speed. From a workout perspective, it’s as hard or easy as you want to make it. As far as trail access, I don’t really think it’s going to create enough new mountain bikers (which wouldn’t be a bad thing) to cause a sudden increase in traffic and animosity towards our sport. My sense is that over time they will replace the majority of high end mtb as riders try them realize they aren’t what they thought...
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 @ryan83: I dont take lifts or shuttles. I pedal myself everytime and no it doesnt open up 100x more trails, what makes you think that? Mountain bike trails are built to be accessed by human propelled mountain bikes, they are not 50km from the parking lot, they are right there. If you need an ebike to increase your trail access by 100x then you need to ride faster.
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 @ryan83:
The largest problem that most have with e-bikes is in your statement about them, "I can do 3 downhills in the time it takes to do 1".

That means you are producing 3x the wear on the trails. If you and other e-bike riders are contributing 3x the effort into trail maintenance, awesome, no worries about the increase in trail usage. But the concern is that the majority of e-bike users contribute to trail maintenance at no higher rate than another user, while also contributing to trail congestion at 3x the rate of other trail users.

I personally understand the attraction of e-bikes, for those that are looking to get a bunch of runs in on the downhill, or people that are somehow impaired and couldn't enjoy trails otherwise, an e-bike is a great option.

For me the downs are great fun, but my favorite part of my rides is the whole ride and the amount of time I'm on my bike, not the number of miles or the number of vertical feet decended. E-bikes hold no attraction to me because of that, they just sound like more stuff on my bike to maintain and a heavier bike to maneuver onto the bike rack, or down the hill.
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 @MeloBikeCO: that's a better response than mine to @ryan83. Since when is mountain biking about as many downhill runs you get in? It's about being on your bike for x amount of time.
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 I suppose people ride for different reasons. Some ride for distance, others for the scenery, others for speed, gnar, time etc. What is causing more erosion is a difficult one to pin down. Sure riding more causes more trail wear. You could argue cheaper (or fewer) bikes cause more wear because they allow people to work less (to make money for buying gear) and ride more. Or rain clothing causes more wear because it inherently implies that someone is going to ride in the wet.

I'm not on either side of the fence, don't have an e-bike nor want one at the moment. However, nearly all arguments I've heard against e-bikes seem flawed to me. What strikes me here on this website is that people seem to go mental about e-bikes whereas videos about helibiking seem to be appreciated. Whereas to me it seems that those heli-riders don't do trail maintenance at that altitude and the damage vulnerable nature. Not just trail erosion but also as the higher alpine is just a different ecosystem and carrying lower altitude dirt and seeds up there messes things up. If this behavior isn't getting any stick, I don't see how riding bikes with pedal assist should.
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 In France and not allowed to leave the house, the president specifically said we could exercise, but within 2 days a bunch of organisations announced biking wasn't allowed. 125e fine if caught. Frustrating as I can cycle to the local trails without ever crossing anyone else...
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 ive heard pro roadies are still allowed to train. true/false?
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 @moroj82: Seems false, there really bashing the message that no one is exempt from the light exercise with in 1-2 km of your house rule amd no mountain activities at all.
Just today in town apparently the police fined a local girl on the national ski team who was training on a bike and they were up on the hill on skimobiles cracking down on the touring.
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 @moroj82: Maybe I understand too little about road cycling, but out of all cycling disciplines I can think off (except for indoor training), road cycling most closely resembles indoor training whereas gravity and pumptrack training resembles it least. Why out of all disciplines would only the pro roadies be allowed to ride outside?
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 Hopefully it doesn't come to that here. With the bike parks likely delaying opening, there are still plenty of trails I've yet to explore, and you almost never cross another person on them. Seems a bit silly to restrict when you're essentially in complete isolation. It may be worth the fine.
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 @vinay: sorry i wasnt clear, from what I ve seen they re not allowed to train, but the rules do seem to be applied inconsistently at times. And theres not a lot of police around here and big empty spaces so some folk are out doing some banned activites.
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 @bumpythebear: That seems like government money well-spent. Tax money at work right there!
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 @chriskneeland:
When the hospitals are completely overrun and are already having to turn away patients that need life saving treatment, it probably makes sense to tell everyone that they are not allowed to do risky activity. We are not there quite yet, but it looks like we will be shortly.
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 @chriskneeland: thats the arguement here aswell, in the mountains and total isolation out there. However the counter arguement is that you might get injured, which is moderate for mtb but pretty weak with regards hiking which is also banned. I think the real reason for the bans of these activities is maintaining order to be honest. If you live in Paris and everyone could move about to run amd cycle the chance of spread would be high due to the population density. Here it is so slow with all the space around us. However they need one simple message nation wide, if folk stuck inside on lockdown in citys saw all of us out on our jollies biking and skiing regardless of the relative risk, I really think things would kick off badly.
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 @moroj82: nobody is allowed to ride even pro. We just can go out with a special document describing why we go out. Mainly to go to work if work allowed, to supply food, to visit fragile relatives, and finally to make physic activity, but only nearby the home (1-2 km away) and like half an hour maximum. In 3 days I have been controled twice by the police. They don't joke at all.
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 @bumpythebear: Fortunately, each state is instituting their own rules. Here in NH we only have 39 cases with 2 hospitalized. Compared to NY with 7000 cases, we're not on the verge of calamity. Yet anyways. But NH is very rural with low concentrations of population density so I plan on enjoying my freedom while I have it.
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 @bumpythebear: I think the murder rates might go through the roof if i dont go out and ride.

My wife may kill me if she is stuck with me for to long.

That being said accidents can happen in your household as well. Be safe doing whatever you do.

Another note. I have not seen anything regarding any side effects of this virus on pregnancies or baby development. Maybe best not to do any bedroom sports as well. We don't want to see a generation of Zica type babies.
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 @chriskneeland: I wonder how much differently things will happen in the US compared to other countries. Are WAY spread out compared to Europe and even less socially connected. Seems to me that the vast majority of the US outside of major cities would see only minor impacts. But I don’t know. I would really rather not be wrong on this one.
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 @TheR: Yes it is tax money at work, paying police to police people who are going against the rules. It literally is the definition of government money well spent.
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 @warmerdamj: Policing people out in a remote area coming in contact with no one other than the police who are giving them tickets. Yep, aces.
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 @MeloBikeCO: Why not tell people if they need medical help, it may not be available. That broken arm or leg may not be able to be fixed this year. Broken neck may lead to death. Let people make up their own mind if the risk is worth it. As long as they aren't hurting others and understand the risks then go for it.
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 @TheR: most people do t realize JUST how spread out a lot of the US is compared to other places. I just saw the stats today from TN. We have 341 cases state wide and over half of them are in one city (Nashville) which happens to be the biggest city. There’s legit cause for worry in cities but outside of that, us rednecks may as well already be socially distanced because there simply aren’t as many people in a few square miles out here as there are on a single block in Nashville.
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 @HurricaneCycles: Yup. I work in a skilled nursing facility and we're holding beds open for overflow from local hospitals. We currently have more beds open in my facility than there are current hospitalizations in the state. Not saying full fledged outbreak can't happen, but right now we're far from what NY and Europe are going through. With the few cases we're seeing , the availability of patient care is in abundance here at the moment.
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 There were no questions directed to business owners. I have had to cancel three clinics so far and my friends in town (Moab, UT) who own businesses are really scared. Moab has basically shut down (probably a smart move considering the size of our hospital compared to the number of visitors we get) right at the beginning of our busy season.

The economic impact on our town is going to be massive, I hope they develop a vaccine or treatment drug soon. Good luck to all the small business owners out there! I plan on surviving this but it is going to really stretch me financially.
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 Agreed about the questions for business owners, especially considering more shelter in place and essential business only orders are taking place. We were planning to head to Moab for kids' spring break next week. Hopefully we'll make it there sooner than later, promise! I know it's likely to early to tell now, but do you think you might be adding some more clinic dates into the fall, either in Moab or possibly the Colorado Front Range?
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 It’s effecting us similarly over on the other side of the bread basket. We aren’t a tourism destination but things sure aren’t looking friendly. Our usual spring rush hasn’t happened yet and that alone has put quite a strain on things.
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 @HurricaneCycles: That sucks. I can say that without question the shops near us are going gangbusters. Granted, this was Spring Break week as well here.

The riders at our main park (Santos) are so many that we are parking in grass and whatnot, much like every day is an event weekend. By nature, there is separation in our proximity (most of the time).

Seriously, this does feel as if there is some Illuminati world power trying to evoke a worldwide panic. I just decided that just before this blows over the news will have "oh, and aliens are real" and it will be a second run story.
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 Riding more than I ever have. Everyday on my gravel bike, riding to work as I don't want to take public transport.
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 how is it impacting me?

I have to explain all this craziness to my kids and not trigger unreasonable fear.

And my wife is a nurse who will stand firmly on the front lines of this, whatever it becomes.

Everything else is moot.
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 Same story here. But, myself and my kids are in quarantine. My wife, as a nurse, still need to go work if she can stand up. Crazy.
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 It's not only about health here, we are going to face the worst economical crisis ever, where people will be force to sell their business that they've been already force to quit until undetermined time. In my case I am a freelance that get money only when I go to work. Guess what? They shut down every productions I could work at and perhaps I'll get 600 euros a month from the Italian Government (I hope). But here even food is starting to run short. I'm start thinking I me (and many other) will be able to pay monthly bills (light, gas, car, scooter, internet, Sky, smartphone... people here have many monthly installments). How can people with no money in the bank go through few months without salary? Than it could also start soon a "war for food" in each city. As always the little people who have a lot of money before will be able to take advantage of this, buying whole "shops" and activities for cheap (may people in Italy is already shooting down their business, most of the restaurant are closed since 2 weeks already) and I think this will happen as well "in large scale" with our World rulers, I mean (forgive my dystopic outlook) who is already ruling the world will have much more control over us and our freedom. I'm open to positive prospective, waiting it from my home where I can't go out if twice a week to buy food and basic necessities that is starting to run out. And I'm not talking just about weed (I miss you a lot Mary!)...
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 Well it's winter in Alberta still... so not much riding. And my new ride is stuck in So-Cal under lockdown. Thank god for the old beater on a trainer!
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 But the skiing season was demolished Frown we're still getting 60cm+ of powder on the mountains over here and no lifts run and we're not allowed to leave our county.
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 @brodoyouevenbike: ever heard of skins?
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 @spaceofades: They won't take me 90km out of my county Big Grin
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 I feel lucky that I have a job that is stable, and has allowed working from home since this thing started stateside. Thoughts out to those that are less fortunate.

Also, maybe I'm a homebody/hermit, but my lifestyle hasn't changed much. I already barely ever eat out (maybe once a month), don't really travel much, and don't watch sports as my primary entertainment. And because my employment is stable, my purchasing isn't changing, so no financial lifestyle changes yet. So far we don't have a state lockdown (PNW here), and so I'm headed out riding in about 2 hours (Duthie ftw).

I expect this thing will peak in the next month or so (two weeks of incubation time means a lag time where infections can still rise even after lockdowns are in place). But I doubt that things will truly return to "normal" until school starts again in the fall.

Stay safe out there everyone Smile .
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 If your finances can take it and your job is secure, consider getting takeout from your favorite local places if it's allowed.

Lots of industries are hit hard, but restaurants (that operate on thin margins at the best of times) are absolutely screwed. My wife and I just made a plan to do "to go" meals from our local favorite restaurants as much as our finances allow, to help make sure they're still here when this thing dies down.
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 @atourgates:

Not a bad idea. Good suggestion.

I do think the longer term impact is going to be the economic one, by far.

And, I realize maybe I came off sounding boastful :/. Not the intent, just expressing that I feel grateful for my situation. But I realize others aren't as fortunate, which sucks Frown .
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 @ocnlogan: Yeah - I mean, you have to answer some pretty big questions to know that.

First, you have to admit that on a personal level, any death is sad. Even if COVID takes a 90-year old grandparent away a few months before something else might have, that can cause incredible sadness for those who die, and their loved ones.

And, COVID-19 has definitely caused some deaths in younger, otherwise healthy populations. Those are, of course, tragic and impossible to quantify on an economic scale. If you asked me to value the life of one of my loved ones, the answer would be "All the money in the world, forever."

But of course, we live in a world where life has risk, and no-one gets out alive. We take risks every day, whether it's increasing our risk of cancer by having a drink, driving a vehicle, riding our bikes, or shaking someone's hand. As a society, we recognize that risk is part of life, and has to be appropriately balanced.

The big challenge of COVID-19 is that we really don't know what the risk is yet. There are reasons to be hopeful that it may be relatively low ( such as this article from a Stanford epidemiologist: www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data ) - but of course plenty of evidence to the contrary (aka, Italy, and nursing homes where 43% of the infected patient population died).

There are also studies that show that economic hardship causes increased rates of mortality, and lowered life expectancy.

But, until we really understand how much of a danger COVID-19 is, we really can't do the math on the human cost of economic hardship, vs. the human cost of continuing "life as normal" and letting the virus spread with limited social distancing measures.

Obviously, the best response would have been intelligent, targeted and comprehensive measures like Singapore and South Korea have taken, that have been effective in severely slowing spread while allowing much of daily economic life to continue unchecked. But, most of the Western world seems to have missed that opportunity.
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 Work is the same. I'm as antisocial as ever but now it's socially acceptable. The drive to/from work is AMAZING and the trails are full of bored hikers that are tired of being home.
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 Same here.
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 Guys, please, if you did not realise what the situation really is, and you really need to ride, in case of crash please do it remotely and just die, humanity doesn’t need such bad genes. People in need fpr an hospital bed is not choosing it, so behave once in your lifetime and just stay f@k!ng home!!!
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 Riding is more important now than ever in my life. As long as I ride solo I'll get fresh clean air, strengthen my immune system, and get that bit of sanity that only comes from deep pursuits in nature (most importantly mtb).
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 Noone would wish to end up in ER even for a minor accident where I live now as situation is really critical in all hospitals. Actually we are going through a lot and I am just glad I have recently bought an indoor rowing machine for a bit of a change. Helps me stay sane. Stay safe guys really hope this will be over soon
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 No widespread testing in the UK at the moment so I don't know for sure, but its awfully co-incidental that I happen to get a bad cold and at the same time have my childhood asthma reappear. Breathing is, unpleasant right now.
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 How are you today? tup
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 @Dropthedebt: Getting better everyday I think, thanks for asking. Symptoms started two weeks ago, a week of very mild stuff - probably incubation period. Then a week of it being quite bad and unpleasant. Now everything seems to be slowly getting better.
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 @badbadleroybrown: You're delusional if you think Trump's response to covid-19 has been both effective and appropriate.
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flag JohanG (Mar 21, 2020 at 4:54) (Below Threshold)
 And here's the geopolitico expert here, ladies and gentlemen. billy reilly the bikeshop wrench has all the answers.
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 @JohanG: Bikeshop wrench?
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 I can’t believe many of the commenters on here. Blissful ignorance, youthful I don’t give a shit bravado and the thinking that the American “for profit” medical system will prove to be bulletproof. Talk about heads in the sand.
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 I am in Nagano Japan, only 4 people in this state have confirmed virus cases. I was planning to fly home to Australia tomorrow but that has been stopped/blocked now. My kids have been out of school since March 2nd. My wife is a nurse and I am worried about how she is when/if things hit the fan here.
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 If you call Australia home, presumably you're a citizen or permanent resident and therefore not affected by the travel ban?
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 ...although I suppose you'd have to find an airline that's still flying into Australia wouldn't you
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 Mr President, why do you keep calling it China virus?


because it was made in China, next question --


classic


Might have to close our Primo Hoagie store because of this and Pedal Shop has taken a super hard hit as well.


Worse part, the younger generation see this as nothing more than a huge inconvenience when they take the time to look up from their phones ... they have no idea how bad this is going to hit them in the long run
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 @RoadStain: this f*cking virus only continues to mutate to get stronger. Next thing you know, it's primed to kill young people.
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 China deserves the heckling because of their spokesman trying to blame it on the US Army.
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 @JohanG: What a joke. According to your logic, can I say that the US deserves the heckling because of your president has already blamed it on Chinese people?
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flag RoadStain (Mar 21, 2020 at 10:06) (Below Threshold)
 @milanboy1986: Lets see, it started there.....so.......I do not need to be Captain Obvious to know that it (and many other nasities) start in China.

I did hear that that Apple raised the bar, now the slave girls need to be at least 8 before working in the iPhone factory.
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 @RoadStain: It started here doesn't mean the virus only live in here. Why doesn't your president test out all those people who died from "flu" in the past half year and see if there is any possibilities that it started in your country? Oh, nasties? Yes, the US is clean, and it only starts wars everywhere killing millions of people outside the US to keep it "clean".
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 @milanboy1986: You are right, it can now live everywhere.

I have been to China (got bit by a Panda bear in Chengdu). Yep, most of it is exactly what Trump said much of the world is. A shit hole (went for IronMan China). Stayed to enjoy the communism!

What is stunning to me, thinking that you may possibly really be in China if so, there is NO question that you are not allowed to have anything negative to say about China, it is much like what we here in the Free World call "Fight Club", China, oddly has the exact same first rule.

As for wars, MUCH rather fight them "over there" then "over here". We happen to carry a very, very long stick. The BEST thing about this fiasco that did factually start in China, maybe now more people in the US will be a tad more willing to pay for "Made in the USA" (or Canada, or Europe). For me, anything but "Made in China" when at all possible (Germany and Italy for cars, thank you).
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 @milanboy1986: a virus does not "live".
Chinese are not too blame but please stop diffusing Chinese propaganda. The pandemic started in China, and the Chinese government made their priority to stop at all cost the propagation within China, and it worked. Good for them.

On the other hand the Chinese government did nothing to prevent propagation outside of China, and kept hidden the existence of a starting epidemic till end of December, delaying the response of WHO and countries HOs.
Trump is a moron, but China has a big responsibility and will have to answer for it.
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 @zede: Sure......uh huh......So, you know this started in China....been there? I have.

They get to own this. SCREW ups (this and everytime) in the Government. But, at least the Chinese in the US are clean, nice people...unlike the Middle East terrorists.
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 @zede: So everything I say good about China is " propaganda"
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 @zede: Sorry the format is messed up using a smartphone to reply. So everything I said good about China is "propaganda"? The government admitted there are mistakes made in early stages. And China is sending out medical teams and donating medical supplies to many countries. So I guess that couldn't mean it did nothing.

And other countries just sit and watch the whole thing for more than a month before taking any action. Even now there are few people wearing masks in Europe and America. And Asian people even got beat up just because they wear masks! Don't you think that's freaking ridiculous and unbelievable? So as a reminder, please remember to wear a damn mask and stay at home. Don't go out just because you want to jogging, or breathing fresh air, or walking your dogs like those stupid ones did.
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 @milanboy1986: few medical teams in maybe 5 countries. The cost of this shit will be trillions, and dozens of thousands of dead. Mask were shown to be close to useless in protecting people, but they efficiently prevents infected people from disseminating the virus. The reason people don't wear mask in UE is because there's not enough masks so we were asked to leave them for the medical personal (because China stopped delivering masks as soon as the epidemic started). No airborne transmission has been shown so going out for a walk is not gonna get anyone contaminated if they don't meet anyone else.
Of course it would have been better if the UE governments adopted strong measures earlier and if people were less selfish and had more common sense.

But it's a pretty weak defense to blame people and countries that had no clue how bad it was since China did not communicate and actively censored all relevant information that could have convinced people and governments how bad it was gonna be.

Now I didn't blame the Chinese but as you not so subtly imply it is our own fault if we euros get sick I can also play this game.
In early January the Chinese restaurant down my street was still open, and I saw only 3 Chinese tourists coming out of the Chinese tourist bus wearing masks. All the old Chinese tourist men made sure of spitting on the ground as they always do. "Don't you think it's fricking ridiculous and unbelievable ?"
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 @zede: So, less than H1N1...I am solid with that. Just, why all the drama? So, so many idiots in the media, then, those who buy into it.
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 @RoadStain: did h1n1 saturate the working capacity of all hospitals because all their beds were full with patients under artificial respiration? Nope
The number of dead does not give the full picture.
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 I'm riding my mountain bike less, but messing around on my BMX more. My almost four year old son's daycare is closed, so we spend a lot of time riding around the now deserted parking lot behind our house.
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 Some guys need to social distance themselves from the comment section.
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 Here in Italy i have to keep close my bikeshop . I think next week i'll try ( if it is legal for me ) to pick up my customers' bike from home for some repair or revamping ..
Here is better not to ride to avoid possibilities of stupid injuries or some worse .
I hope it will end soon. Now me, my family and friends of mine are closed at home :S
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 We all need to adopt CORONA PERSONAS!

The best thing we can do, as citizens of the world, is stay healthy and out of the health care system. My wife and I are self-isolating (but I ride daily on our near-empty local trails). It's hard on her, but not as much on me. My personality facilitates social distancing.
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 Pedantic query: Aren't "it won't have a major impact" and it will have a moderate impact" the same thing?

Also, where is the option for "I'm planning to self-isolate in the woods with a bike, a shelter and some trail-building tools?
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 It would be much more interesting to see a continent based result of these answers I think the European ones would be a lot less positive right now. Stay safe everyone
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 The financial ramification from this are going to far outweigh the physical, sad as they are. Have to say that I'm enjoying the clear skies here since the factories in China shutdown, its also a bit scary seeing how tight friends and family are in regards to finances, hopefully we can get through this with some valuable lessons learnt about both....who am I kidding, in a years time it will be back to normal.
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 Since our country totally has this under control I’m sure this will all be over by June........


2022
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 Everyone's on the back foot no thanks to the chinese cover up...big thanks to the many brave chinese whistleblowers-many have since vanished.
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 Bike park near me said the park will remain open but uplift van is ceasing".

If that's the same elsewhere, reckon there'll be a fair few people changing their tune from "I'll never ride an ebike" to "...might demo an ebike"

Considered it myself, but it's a bit on the pricey side. Should've guessed really.
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 So was this a ploy all along from e-bike companies?
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 As someone who works at a bike shop, business has gone up pretty significantly. I'd imagine it's due to a combination of spring break having just started, no one is going on vacations anymore and they need something to do/ spend their vacation money on, most people are getting time off work, as well as we've just been getting better weather in general
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 Speak for yourself. We've had people cancelling service appointments in a panic, not bringing things in for fear of us getting shut down and not getting their ride back for a long time, and completely dead sales floors.
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 Stay at home dad. Riding more, almost always been solo rides with just the dog as my schedule doesn’t play well with others. Major bike purchases for the year are already done. Wife is now working from home and the oldest isn’t in school for what I’m guessing is the remainder of the school year. At least the baby isn’t crawling yet...
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 There is a trail network out my door. Most days I go find a section that needs some care and have at it. I've pared down the kit to a saw a lopper and a hand clipper for wild roses. The peepers finally started up this afternoon.
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 I have already cancelled a trip to Betonville, AR that I planned last year and a new bike will certainly not be in my future this year even though the money is already accounted for in a savings account. Both my wife and I have been impacted as our work is indirectly tied into the restaurant industry. On a lighter note, I'm blessed to have a bike that I can ride an although it may not be the dual boinger I was hoping for, it will still allow me to ride.
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 Probably already had the covid. Had a fever, runny nose, cough. Tested for the flu came up negative doctor said I had bronchitis and gave me a prescription for antibiotics. I asked, should I get tested for the covid? and he said corona virus has probably been among us for sometime and don't worry about it. We havent seen it before because they only recently discovered how to test for it. I asked if i should self quarantine and he said no. So there you have it. Expert advise from a trained medical professional that works at one of the larger medical providers in my area...
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 I hope you do not have Covid-19 maybe take it easy on going out for a bit?
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 Personally I'd be looking for a second opinion, especially if you're in close proximity of older people
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 @dirtybikejapan: Who knows if I did or not. I made the effort and I asked for a test referral which is needed to be tested here and was I told by a Doctor to not worry about it. tbh ive discovered there is a public face and a private face for how people think about the covid19. On the surface people just nod their head and go with the flow. But most of the tradesmen working in the field, firefighters i've ran into, cops and "essential workers" that don't get the pass that office workers get. They don't really give you the vibe that they care about the virus.
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 @monstertiki: I work on service stations, need to keep the fuel flowing.
No one I work with is concerned at all.
So far we have not seen or heard of a case of the virus near us.with a population of over 7 million in the bay area the death and infection rate is super low right now.
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 Wuhan flu/virus been around since november. Northern Italy hit very hard bc many go back and forth to that region and Italy has 2nd class healthcare system.
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 It's good advice. People in risk groups like the elderly and the smokers (dope or otherwise) should quarantine themselves while the rest of us get on with our lives. 99% of the deaths in Italy have comorbidities - this bat virus only affects the weak.
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 @JohanG: Thanks for the link. Perhaps you should've continued scrolling down to read this before patting yourself on the back about your infallibility.
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-19/coronavirus-in-young-people-is-it-dangerous-data-show-it-can-be
Obviously this story should be discounted as media scaremongering, nothing to worry about, carry on as normal. Governments are taking these unprecedented steps just for the fun of it. Or maybe so they can stand back and laugh at all us sheeple.
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 @JohanG: did not click link, yet. But, for God's sake, Bloomberg????? Junk
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 If you also have a bad appetite or even a diarrhea as well as feeling strengthless, that would be very likely to have got the COVID19. However, there are some people got infected without obvious symptoms. To be safe, you'd better have a CT scanned to check out how your lungs look like.
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 He forgot to ask... are you boozing more than usual???
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 I have cut back to keep my immune system limber. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110815172153.htm
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 All y'all thinking that things are gonna get back to normal by June 2020 need to get acquainted with the figures...
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 I proposed to my GF at the end of February, and plan to get married in May. Pretty much all our plans have been canceled or seriously changed and we are left wondering what options we have at this point if things don't improve. I give planning a wedding during the apocalypse 1/5 stars, would NOT recommend to a friend.
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 I hear ya --- I do 3 things for income: Pedal Shop (bikes), Primo Hoagies (food) and I moonlight as a bar tender during the wedding season --- Bike sales are down, have been ever since most MADE IN CHINA companies have been offering consumer direct purchases, Food's been sluggish for a while for various reasons but, C19 might put an end to my biz there, my bar gigs flat out done for now... all off April = zero gigs.... who knows what I'll get after that. I can only go about 2 months with no incomes rolling in. this is really bad
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 My contact teaching job that was supposed to start Monday just got cancelled. I really wanted to upgrade my bike this year but i’m a bit high risk so I’m kind of grateful I don’t have to do it. I’ll probably hit the trails once the snow melts but be a little more cautious than usual.
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 Honestly, the results to some of these polls are a little alarming. Thankfully mountain biking is something that can be done alone, but this is so much more serious than people think. Anyone who thinks this could blow over by June is crazy. We are just getting started. Stay home, ride from home, only leave if you absolutely have to. And please don't travel anytime soon.

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/20/us/coronavirus-model-us-outbreak.html?fbclid=IwAR0iflfM4vJ3BRaQJvtqDPkUJEg0RGrQ9GVeI4E2r98GpP5FgOZFnr7x-yo
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 The Government needs to hire everyone from the Pinkbike comment section as their go to brains trust. All the answers seem to be right here by the looks of the comments ????‍♂️.
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 Feels like it's just a matter of time before a biker somewhere needs rescued off a mountain, then it'll be all over the media and all mountain bikers will be the scum of the earth. Here in the UK, something similar has happened to motorhomers already. If ever there was a time when we all have to make sacrifices for the better good, this is it. Unfortunately mountain bikers seem to be one of many groups that seem to think that this crisis doesn't apply to them - this poll just confirms it. It's time for people to wake the fuck up. I'm switching to cycle paths on the road bike for a while, and fully prepared to give that up soon when we get fully locked down. It's coming, especially if people keep being dicks. Not riding for a few months really isn't that big of a deal in the scheme of things.
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 We had the announcement this afternoon from our Prime Minister that the whole country barring essential services is shut down for a month. I can go into work (I guess) since there are only two of us, and we will probably arrange things to not be there at the same time, but I can't open the doors to customers.... only clear some of my backlog. The government is going to pay me a few grand to stay home.
BUT we are allowed to go out and exercise, and the forest will be open here in Rotorua. So ironically I will probably do far more riding than usual for the next month. Time to work off some that dad-bod.
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 Would like to sugest one thing on PB. On PB Website version there is a Like button only on all articles, I think you could have also a Dislike button so you can also see how many dislike an article, like you did in the comments of the website version.
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 They are hidden below
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 @mikeyb76: Hidden? Where?
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 @mudmandhbrazil: at the very bottom there is a link that says “below threshold comments are hidden” you click that and they appear
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 @mudmandhbrazil: oh shoot I was talking about comments..... not actual article
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 Good one. Please repeat in in one month, let's see how it goes.
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 Italian, choose to remain in a french ski resort after tourists and other workers left, seems like i will still be able to continue working. I will hopefully go back to Italy before the summer (and buy 1/2 bikes). Then I hope summer season will still happen in the french alps.
Biking and mountain sports currently not allowed here, so I won't bother with buying one of the bikes i have in mind right now, but wait for the situation to stabilized instead
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 I think a return to "normalcy" sounds very romantic right now, like with 9/11 in the US I don't think there'll ever a return to "normalcy" as it was before the event. My hope is that this doesn't just become the "new normal" as we've adapted and gotten so use to many other terrible things, ie: floods, fires, mass shootings, "super storms", etc. and start having a "social distancing season". I hope that, in the US at least, we take this as an opportunity to address the many massive flaws in our society and systems and refactor them for the present and future. Things like public health, housing, redundant supply chains, insider trading by politicians while down playing threats, high speed internet infrastructure, etc.
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 I'm in Innsbruck, Austria and since Monday nobody is allowed to go outside despite for getting groceries, going to the doctor or to the pharmacy.
I last rode my bike Tuesday (thug life i know LOL), and the police kindly told me that it's not allowed to do any sports outside (I've been alone) It really sucks goddammit I wanna SEND .
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 As far as I know the mayor said we are still allowed to go for a little walk as long as you don't meet anyone. So far Austria has dealt with it better than the neighboring countries. It's sucks to stay home but the less people get contaminated, the less people die and the earlier we can start going outside again.
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 I have been road riding a lot more. Around a 50 mile ride a day as I live rurally and don't even see many people out with cars never mind being in close contact. My concern with MTB is the perceived risk of injury and need for hospital treatment. Hasn't happened in a long long time but I'd feel like a right fud if I had to rock up at the ER right now. I am a bicycle tour guide in Edinburgh, so I've essentially lost my job for an unknown length of time. If life could get to some sort of normality by September I would take that, I have travel plans and would love to be able to do that but I'm realistic.
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 BTW, if you're making a joke of this you seriously have issues. I personally know a family in which 4 people died already from the virus. Try a little empathy.
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 That family I read about in the NYT? Tragic.
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 can't answer some of the top questions - unemployed and harder to find a job - luckily i can stay with parents until i'm able to travel again and get a job in my area - but - for now - it's pretty much wake up - go for a run - stay home the rest of the day - reading and studying - and waiting this goes as fast as it landed
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 back to normal in JUNE??? lol lol lol lol

no

(I wish tho)
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 It'll be back to normal for me by june because my plans end in june, so anything would be normal
  • 2 0
 Where’s the I finally got promoted, but now I have to make hard choices and still increase profit in a climate where people are scared to part with there money option for work?
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 By the last decree of our Ministry of Health, outdoor physical activity is allowed, obviously not in group, and only in close vicinity to your house. Nearest trails are 3 km away, so from now on I will pause biking and switch to running around the block, until possible. The rest is total lockdown here, with local police and Carabinieri enforcing the decrees and checking if car drivers and pedestrians have a lawful reason to be around.
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 I got to the end before I realised I had to click "answer" on every one. Ehhh.

And just a note on the seasonal answers to the final question, you do have people from the southern hemisphere using this website.
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 I had a kid in winter so life has been the exact same. No riding, minimal activities, zero travel. I just work at home so I saved myself an hour of commuting and don’t eat like trash at the cafeteria so it’s coming up mill house over here
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 luckily my riding hasn't changed, the nearest trails are 25 miles away (I don't have a car), my neighbour said I could build trails in his woods so that's where the majority of my riding takes place. I don't have any work now, so I've been riding and building trails a lot
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 here in the SF bay area we stay home a lot and our 4 kids are in online school. I have seen more people than ever out on the trails biking or hiking but keeping safe distance apart. The shelter in place order does specifically allow outdoor recreation and we feel its crucial to maintain our sanity and get some fresh air, but I have been taking it easy so as to minimize chance of injury - stay safe!
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 So I had a pretty nasty fall on the 9th which resulted in X-rays at the Urgent Care center locally (negative), and it was literally the day things were really starting to kick off. Sitting in urgent care with people who were running fevers and coughing was legit terrifying. And it's gotten much more serious since then. I am planning to get back on the bike this weekend, but I DO NOT want to go to a hospital right now. Had my first post crash ride today, definitely keeping it chill.
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 Impacted, yes but it's just another bump in the road. We're bringing these tires out whether the big brands, the government, shipping companies or the universe likes it or not. April 1. No joke.
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 I have spent the last 2 years building what is going to be one of the largest bike parks in the world. Just recieved news today that the owner-company is laying off summer staff for the year and delaying all summer projects. I am pretty uncertain about my future. Hoping it blows over and they want to resume with building in the next few months.
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 I'm here in Nelson New Zealand 68yrs young and I generally ride with a group of similar age bikers. The group rides have stopped but I still get out and carry on biking on my own. See very few people biking like 4 people whereas before all this we would see upto 50 people biking. I have health issues but biking keeps me on top of my health whereas I had a slight accident all by myself and was off the bike 2 weeks in that time my health was going downhill not good. I love biking and will continue to do it till health or medical reasons causes me to stop. So for me "Carry on biking and stay healthy"
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 We usually start riding season this time of the year with a trip to Italy and i bought plane tickets to go to whistler middle of June. We will see how that goes, but I think I'm out some money...
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 "Not yet, but my job is at risk" - And I've also had to lay off about 250 people... so there that...
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 Fuk all this...that is all
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 I work in pharmacy and it has been extremely busy and a bit overwhelming. Riding my mtb is helping me relieve stress and stay grounded.
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 Consider purchasing a new or used bike/ frame if you have the means. It puts cash in a fellow riders hands immediately even if its a loss to them.

It could help someone pay rent for a month or two until work picks up.
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 Sorry but anyone thinking life will return to normal by this summer is rather optimistic imho. It will take a long time for life to return to normal and I fear it may not be the same again for many years.
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 I’m a Doc, I’m working more and riding less.

But I think this will pass within a few weeks, what the world will look like on the other side is my main concern.
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 Especially in USA..rush to another 'bailout' historically leads to waste; debt; less liberty.
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 @jrocksdh: This is without precedent
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 We had to close our bikeshop and stay home, but my garden borders with forest full of trails.. If see a person there, I go 30m around.. then continue riding till dark.
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 I said "I'm not currently riding at all", but that is mainly because I am in a boot for my achilles tendon. I would not mind self isolating on the trail.
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 I am in an opposite situation - I am riding more then normal for me at this time of year as my local ski resort closed so I have to ride instead.
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 I'm hoping this thing doesn't impact the new NS freecoaster wheelsets hitting the market in April... I don't have wheels for my main bike (NS Suburban) as I planned on buying these for my new build, and the only other bike I have is a beach cruiser!

I'm tempted to pick up a new bike for some riding away from the pump track, jumps, and skate parks in the area.

I've signed up to race in the Redbull Pumptrack qualifier in August, so I'm keeping my eyes out for any news/updates around that race series.
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 do you have more or less sex ?

a ) a little less

b) a little more

c) a lot less

d) a lot more

e ) i prefer 3 somes
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 "E"
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 Covid - 19? wow these new industry standards are getting wilder.
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 I'm waiting for 19.5 I've heard it's better.. More fun, more poppy off jumps, that kind of thing
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 Pinkbike forgot a Poll question
"Are the actions taken too extreme for the risks"

People could answer rationally without concern for the abuse that comes when voicing an alternative opinion.
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 When Al Gore invented the internet this was not his intent. I wonder if he will be like Nobel after he dies (then again, most people have no idea what Nobel, founder of the "Peace Prize" is credited with inventing).
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 I just wanted to vent my spleen at the dumb fuckwits who were kicked off Bondi beach yesterday. The Prime Minister is. ow using terms like Draconian Measures in response to this incident. Out of all of the countries I've heard about Australia was doing pretty well but this incident might put us into lockdown. So congratulations you idiotic, selfish Darwinism theory proving troglodytes. You may have just changed the way we all live for the next few months.
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 well I think PinkBike can be proud, running a clearly forward looking survey for industry while starting dissention and hatred in community.
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 I’ve learnt two things from this thread. Leroy, you come across as a fake intellectual troll. Shit stain, you are nothing more than a white trash racist. You both sicken me.
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 Whew!!! That poll flu by so quickly!!!
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 Why does it feel so much like Big Brother doing market research?
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 Not nearly as much as my AC separation
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 I'd love to think it will be all said and done by June but I have a feeling 2020 is gonna go down as the year we never saw our friends.
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 I would be able to ride more, except it Snowed 4+ft over the weekend, and I'm daddy daycare too.
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