Pinkbike Poll: How Much Would You Pay For These Hypothetical Upgrades?

Jul 23, 2021
by Seb Stott  
Custom made necklaces and a cash purse for the pro ladies.

Bike designers have to compromise somewhere. I'm sure we'd all love a super-light, ultra-reliable bike with space for five water bottles. But if you had to put a price on these things for your main bike, how much would you be willing fork out?

To make things simpler I've gone with US dollars, but it's a ball-park-figure kind of question so don't worry too much about currency conversions.

I look forward to reading a million paywall comments below.

What's the most you'd be willing to pay to drop 1Kg (2.2lbs) from your bike?

No compromises in performance or reliability - this is purely hypothetical.



Yeti SB150
It's great to have a water bottle, but how much value would you put on it?

If it didn't already have one, what's the most you'd be willing to pay for a water bottle mount on your bike?



What's the most you'd be willing to pay for adjustable suspension travel?



What's the most you'd be willing to pay to never get a puncture again?

No compromises in performance or weight - this is purely hypothetical.



Falcon 27.5 16.58kg as show without pedal
Imagine you could have the reliability of a gearbox without the weight, efficiency and shifting-under-load problems.

What's the most you'd be willing to pay for a 100% reliable drivetrain?

Again, assuming no compromise in performance.



What's the most you'd be willing to pay for a day of one-on-one skills coaching?




151 Comments

  • 970 13
 Just important to note: I would pay absolutely nothing for Outside+
  • 81 2
 Shame that wasn’t on one of their polls…it would match all my other answers…$0
  • 79 2
 @bobmck: You're doing it wrong. If you really want to stick it to em you need to make the data there collecting and selling erroneous. Pick the complete opposite of what you would do.
  • 10 0
 just teeing it up for paywall comments are we....I'm tried of them too (got old quick) but this is just asking for it, lol
  • 14 0
 @porkchopsandwich: you’re probably right, but I don’t want them to call by bluff and charge an extra 1k for an additional bottle mount or Shimano drivetrain
  • 28 0
 I picked more than $1000 for all... that should help the mining.
  • 1 0
 @porkchopsandwich: You're absolutely right. I'm going back and changing my answers.
  • 28 0
 The real question is how much will we pay for Outside (-)?

Me? Also $0.

Just making it clear for them Smile .
  • 3 83
flag CheryBomb (Jul 23, 2021 at 12:58) (Below Threshold)
 How much do Vitla and Mrtb pay you for anti-Outside posts?
  • 3 86
flag CheryBomb (Jul 23, 2021 at 12:59) (Below Threshold)
 @CheryBomb: Man, the scale of bot activity aiming to discredit Outside is enormous! Admins should start make some serious cleansing!
  • 3 78
flag CheryBomb (Jul 23, 2021 at 13:00) (Below Threshold)
 Omg hwo can i dlete this posts?!?? ASAP!
  • 21 0
 @CheryBomb: Gotta live with em...
  • 27 53
flag TinuKu (Jul 23, 2021 at 13:05) (Below Threshold)
 Funny, I actually have an Outside+ subscription that gets me access to Beta MTB and Velo News magazines, and probably PB & CT in the future, and I feel pretty good about it. There's something nice about directly supporting your favorite journalists and media, and about making them less dependent on advertising alone.
I understand I'm taking this way too serious and might receive some negative attention, but I have wanted to write this since the news of the acquisition first broke, so now is probably as good a time as ever Wink
  • 29 2
 @TinuKu: our problem isn’t supporting journalists...its paying for something that’s always been free. Make us pay and the sense of community and inclusivity goes away.
  • 14 0
 @CheryBomb: Welcome back, bot!
  • 7 0
 We are their free focus group
  • 3 0
 Excellent point. I went back and changed all my answers to 0 - I want to throw off their data set when they try to mine our tolerance for value:cost
  • 1 0
 @dv8416: it's hard to focus sometimes
  • 4 0
 @Duc1098: $0, $1000, $0, $1000... that'll do for junk data
  • 11 1
 @ididntknowhatomakemyusername:

I wasn’t free. You are the product that pinkbike sells, or moreover, they sell the ability to influence you. Nothing is ever free…
  • 3 0
 @DBone95: Problem is a lot of fools would pay another grand for some of this stuff.
  • 3 0
 There, I put down $1000 for everything. Where’s the option to pay $1000 for an outside+ subscription??
  • 2 0
 @CheryBomb: assuming all accounts skeptical of the acquisition is as ignorant as assuming because they were scooped by a big conglomerate everything will be behind a paywall. The fact is, back when magazines mattered I actually paid for Outside for a time, but the model changed, and as with Outside magazine, and even Decline, the model shifted to online. If the post-acquisition pinkbike changes for the worse, then I come less often, and likely stop using. Honestly, two sides of the stupid coin…
  • 208 2
 You seem very interested in how much we'd be willing to pay for stuff. Interesting.
  • 99 1
 Next question: If you had to pay to access the comment section on PinkBike how much would you pay?
  • 5 7
 Market research sweetie
  • 8 1
 @stumphumper92: f*ck all XD
  • 34 1
 @stumphumper92:

This actually brings up a very relevant point. How much of pinkbike’s value is user generated? Methinks it is a lot. The forums, the comments, the buy and sell, the Trailforks input, etc . A subscription model, rather than enhance monetization as hoped, could destroy its value to anyone. Imagine applying a subscription to Instagram, for instance.
  • 7 0
 Opportunity to toll Outisde+ by completely skewing the results
  • 5 0
 Quick everyone change their poll responses to $0.
  • 3 7
flag highfivenwhiteguy (Jul 23, 2021 at 13:24) (Below Threshold)
 @cragus-t: Exactly. That's why I rarely answer polls on here, we're doing the work for them. Same with customer surveys, I say a company should provide solid products and good customer service and be confident in their work. No need to push the responsibility of figuring out how good or bad a product/customer service is on the consumer who just had to deal with your crappy CS because your product doesn't work because you phased out QA/QC to increase profits.
  • 5 0
 Quick everyone! This is our opportunity to set/influence the bike prices! Answer lower, reasonable costs… remember when the top-spec build was 6k?
  • 3 2
 @highfivenwhiteguy: huh, I answered a lot of polls specifically because it’s free and I could maybe have a bigger part in swaying the direction of the industry seeing as I usually buy used frames. I also like to see the answers.
  • 1 0
 @highfivenwhiteguy: I do not think your editor look at it as work. I used to not answer surveys and questionnaires, but now I do (only for things I really care about like biking and skiing). I think of it this way: if I do not tell companies what I want, then how will they know what I want? And beyond that, if I do not answer these, then there is the possibility that someone who wants something that opposes what I want is.

I try to always answer my local ski and mountain biking hill surveys with my own comments. It is important that they know what they are doing well and what I would like to see change. I actually do see changes over the years that brings things I like.
  • 1 0
 Alright I do not know why it triple posted, can my first two be down voted into oblivion please... Thanks. Also first line replace the word editor with should.
  • 83 1
 Instead of a paywall I think Outside should pay the pinkbike users to fill out these polls and watch their content. That would make everyone happy.
  • 47 3
 Not paying extra for a water bottle mount but if the bike doesn’t have one I’m not buying the bike. Take note commencal clash
  • 5 12
flag Beaconbike (Jul 23, 2021 at 19:18) (Below Threshold)
 @nate35 hahaha why do you need a mount on a freeride bike? Water is better in ya than on ya. I just took the cage off my patrol. Unless I'm riding uphill for hours I don't touch my water bottle. I've came to the end of so many rides and not touched or barely touched my bottle. Idk, 75% of my rides are 45 minutes to an hour and a half, for bike Park I don't really need or want it. Way longer rides I carry a small pack. I must be a camel
  • 6 1
 @Beaconbike: for bike park and shuttle laps. Love having one on my slayer so I don't have to wear a pack.
  • 2 1
 @Beaconbike: just strap an after market bottle mount to your downtube. Problem solved. Worked flawlessly on my dh bike. There was even enough room in the triangle for it to face upward.
  • 5 9
flag Unrealityshow (Jul 24, 2021 at 0:18) (Below Threshold)
 I recently did my first ever packless mtb ride. It sucked. Not having antacids, tissues, lens wipe, snacks, and easy access to water was awful. With a pack, I don't have to stop every time I want a drink. I don't understand how riding with out a pack is any better.
  • 6 1
 @Unrealityshow: ya you need a backpack dude
  • 2 5
 @Beaconbike: you're not a camel, 75% of your rides are 45 minutes to an hour and a half! I wouldn't be faffing around with water for a ride that short either, but literally none of my rides are that short. The shortest ride I would bother to do is about 3 hours, and water is an essential. I was after a new bike recently and didn't even consider things without bottle mounts
  • 9 1
 @Beaconbike: it may surprise you that some people live in places that even a 45-90 minute ride needs water. These are the same places that carrying a pack is uncomfortably hot.
  • 4 0
 @Unrealityshow: if you need all that stuff on your ride, then carrying a pack makes sense. 90% of my rides I just carry my keys, ID, phone and water.

Not having a bottle holder on my canyon torque leads me to ride it less in summer than my bikes that do hold one. Any bike geared to pedal uphill as well as down needs to be able to carry hydration on board IMO. The fire road climb to the start of the downs is when I want to drink on my laps.
  • 2 0
 There are some really good quality frame bags out there. I carry a Hydrapak flexible bottle in mine instead of using the bottle mounts.
  • 43 1
 I'm suprised they didn't sneak in "What's the most you would be willing to pay for premium MTB content (no compromise on comment section)"
  • 30 0
 Are you saying I now have to pay extra to have 2 little holes drilled into my already overpriced frame?
  • 21 0
 Pfft I can do it myself. Hold mah drink
  • 1 0
 just use a jubilee clip to secure the cage to your frame, works great, little tape underneath if you’re worried about the paint.
  • 2 1
 Bottle cage AND weight saving!
  • 9 1
 An extra bottle might save you a doping ban, that's priceless to some.
  • 25 0
 Next Poll: How much would you be willing to pay to discover "12 hip packs we can't get enough of" and "8 best chain lubes for riding underwater"
  • 17 1
 With the tire puncture question, if I could ride lighter casings and still never puncture I would pay a lot. But as it is, I just buy dh tires for trail bikes to avoid punctures.
  • 3 17
flag mybaben (Jul 23, 2021 at 14:13) (Below Threshold)
 You must not have any mountains to climb where you live. lol. Wink
  • 3 0
 That's one extra kg, which you theoretically could get rid of by paying the X amount that is asked on the first question...
  • 19 0
 It's a trap, don't answer
  • 12 0
 ORRR give them BS answers Joker
  • 16 1
 Serious alternate question: How much would you pay for (meaningfully) adjustable chainstay lengths?

$100-200 pretty easily here.

Other brands, take note of what Raaw has done. They have a thee position flip chip (left, right, center), so you get a total of 10mm of adjustment in 5mm increments (-5mm, 0, +5mm). This is amazing. Other stuff like the Kona Process X's implementation is also acceptable (15mmof adjustment in 2 positions).

Or any brand with modular dropouts that you can get in different hub spacings/lengths (Banshee, Nicolai, etc).
  • 1 0
 Agree 100%
  • 1 0
 I’m with you on this!
  • 1 0
 Even if they are adjustable the choices tend to be; Too long, much too long, and FFS. 430+mm chainstays might suit people over 6 foot but some of us want to have more control over the bike than just holding on and pointing the front wheel.
  • 1 0
 @G-Sport: hahahaha
430 is so tiny for almost everyone!
I think you need to learn how to corner better if you are saying that over 430 means you are just holding on pointing the front wheel. Look into front and rear balance. You’ll find that the longer chainstays are actually helping the bike corner better.
Also there’s no issue with manuals or anything like that either
  • 1 0
 @G-Sport: respectfully speaking of course… just a difference in opinions though
  • 18 0
 I answered the poll questions with totally B.S. responses. The real answers are locked behind a paywall.
  • 3 0
 Legit have done this every time for the last 5 yrs, the data mining aspect has always been obvious and irritating.
  • 7 0
 The weight question has me laughing a bit.

Almost everyone who rides an AL framed bike already essentially have this option. I only buy AL bikes right now because of cost. Pretty regularly the carbon framed versions of the models are 1-2lbs lighter. But they usually carry a $500-1500 premium for that privilege. And... I definitely don't do that.

Would I like a lighter bike (assuming same reliability/repairability/whatever), yes. But apparently its not worth much to me. And I'd much rather spend those dollars on brakes/suspension/etc, than weight.

And this is coming from a guy who rides a 36-37lb Kona on every ride (only one bike, so it does everything).
  • 8 0
 This is the problem with polls, without context the data can be useless. I don't care much about weight on my enduro bike, but if I was racing XC at elite level then i would probably spend a good chunk.
  • 2 0
 That applies to every component, an average metric is that for each extra dollar or euro you pay for a similar component with a similar function you get rid of a gram. I usually go by that to evaluate cost/benefit. Carbon stems for instance have a very bad ratio, like 2 or 3 dollars/gram. Transmission items don't rate bad and might also work a little better, but are replacement items... Even things like titanium bolts seem to follow the 1 extra dollar/1 less gram rule...
  • 1 0
 Not to mention the law of diminishing returns. Reducing the mass from 15 kg to 14 kg will be cheaper compared to from 13 kg to 12 kg, assuming the same level of reliability.

People will also value mass reduction differently based on component location. If it is a part of rolling mass and/or unsprung weight, then they will be willing to pay more.
  • 1 0
 Also, a gram off the unsprung and rotating weight is worth a lot more than a gram off the frame.
  • 7 0
 How much would you pay to be able to press MUTE on any all annoying sounds, while also ensuring that if they are consequential sounds the underlying cause is resolved also?
  • 4 0
 Take all my money
  • 5 0
 I’d pay for skills coaching as long as it came with a hi-res video dedicated to me and the coaching with a full notebook of individual instructions provided afterwards. In the heat of the moment I can’t remember all the tips that are provided.
  • 8 0
 Used to participate in these polls. Not anymore.
  • 4 0
 I like Pb. I'll keep acting normal until it changes then I'll leave if I have to pay. I pay for strave because it fulfills a purpose, I like seeing how far I have to go to get top 10s and for timing on maintenance intervals, it's useful, I like seeing what my pals are upto on the bike also. But this is just Info I can get from other places. Pb doesn't do anything to warrant payment. I watch the ews and world's online and can watch most other content on you tube. Keep making your money from adds Pb. Hopefully we will have a lengthy relationship. We at 14 years ATM.. let's keep it going.
  • 1 0
 A reasoned response? How dare you approach something that has very minimal effect on the important parts of the day to day of your life calmly and rationally? Good sir, I feel your approach is not one commonly taken in these parts, and you may encounter some resistance to such out of the box thinking!
  • 7 0
 What's the most you would pay to read content on Pinkbike?
  • 4 0
 1 cut tire in 15 yrs. tubeless, no problem here. Run old tech Shimano 9sp. with a double and don't do stupid stuff, 100% reliable.
  • 1 2
 Not true, derailleurs can fail while during normal riding.
  • 1 0
 does your chain never fall off without clutch equipped derailer?
  • 4 0
 Its easy to see a lot of people have never spent time getting proper instruction. It's too bad, as it would get them a lot better return than that new Zeb they are rocking.
  • 2 0
 How much will I put up with from Outside and their e-mails and alerts ............................................................................................................ ............................................................................................priceeless
  • 5 0
 Generically speaking until your weight/fitness is sorted out weight doesn’t matter.
  • 4 0
 Happily pay +$1000 for a fail proof, self serviceable, safe and quiet drivetrain.
  • 2 0
 "How much would you pay for a completely reliable drivetrain?"

Pinkbike commenters: "meh. I'd pay substantially less than I paid for my current, entirely unreliable drivetrain. $400 is my limit."
  • 1 0
 Pretty sure you just described a pinion gearbox.
  • 1 0
 @toast2266: run 9spd. Reliability through the roof. Not 100% (obviously), but incredibly high, and much like weight, I have mechanical issues that hinder my ride much more than the mechanical issues with my bike…
  • 1 0
 Im confused, are we talking about how much More* I would pay, as in to upgrade too/for or flat out how much I would pay for each individual part as a stand alone item as if though I were be building my bike from scratch/individual pieces?
  • 1 0
 Just a note if you raise the price of trail forks I'm out. Please honor the "for life" commitment you made on the trail forks price. Also you might won't to poll how much people are willing to pay to view your content.... I know most people or screaming but I would be cool with $10 a year.
  • 1 0
 The Pinkbike acquisition adds considerable readership and revenue in the cycling space, and thus adds momentum to the company’s Outside+ membership program. Outside+, introduced this year, offers enthusiasts various bundles of content, services, discounts, and other offerings for a $99 annual fee. The membership revenues complement Outside’s revenues from advertising, creating a business model for publishing that CEO Robin Thurston said is more sustainable than traditional media models in the long term. Adding Pinkbike, CyclingTips, and Trailforks gives Outside+ more critical mass, making membership purchases more desirable for enthusiasts and providing more readership for advertisers inside and outside the industry, Thurston said.
  • 3 0
 Is the water bottle question about buying a cage, or how much to be able to mount a cage to our frames?
  • 2 0
 I just equated it to the price of a nice hydration pack.
  • 1 0
 I hope no one is paying $1000 for a cage.
  • 4 1
 @kylar:
Q: How much would you pay for getting rid of a backpack forever?
A: yes!
  • 2 0
 @Telebikes: Stop giving them ideas.
  • 1 0
 The question is about monetizing Pinkbike's user base for it's recently acquired VC investors
  • 1 0
 @Telebikes: new frame
  • 1 0
 @kylar: Its really difficult mounting a hydration pack to your frame.
  • 1 0
 @jgainey: gorilla tape.
  • 2 0
 So many people lying on the first question. The biggest increases in price over entry level bikes is because of weight savings...
  • 7 2
 It's cheaper to lose weight off the rider than it is the bike. More effective, too.
  • 2 2
 First off I don't see myself as necessarily having to pay extra for weight reduction - because I prefer to Choose'n Build, which means I'll be buying what I like with the weight taken into account before hand, & there won't be repurchasing & exchanging of already owned parts... Secondly - I don't see 100% drivetrain reliability to be naturally expensive, as I don't think drive trains like Effigear's will remain expensive when they become more popular... Puncture free tyres will come & be reasonably close to what's already here as they'll simply be airless tyres - not tyres with inserts & other\additional counter measures... Lastly - I selected 0-100 dollars for a one on one coach......but I(being the type to choose what I use & where I get it from myself)would be willing to pay more as I'd be investing in a HOTTIE of a coach(y-know like Isabeau - but......if she were a coach - lol)... =]
  • 4 0
 What’s the most you’d be willing to pay for a paywall free pinkbike?
  • 1 0
 Just curious, but what would be the benefits of a gear box, if they didn't have the problems mentioned above? Not smashing your rear mech on something... and what else? Thanks, just curious.
  • 3 0
 I believe the advantages are said to be lower unsprung weight straight chainline for longer life and less slap sealed system that doesn't wear out or go out of adjustment
  • 1 0
 @jaame: Sounds good. I'd like to drive a gear box bike just to check it out for fun. Thanks mate!
  • 1 2
 In the right(actually wrong) situation, a rear derailleur could cause death.
  • 1 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: Sure, and if somebody dropped a gearbox on your head from the top of a skyscraper, that would kill you too.
  • 1 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: ..."SJBMW: Social Justice 'Beast Mode' Warrior"...

Exactly what beast are you? You are in Waki territory with your derailleur fetish.
  • 1 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: in the right (actually wrong) situation basically anything can cause death. I understand your point, but good lord.
  • 2 0
 If you'd asked a few years ago I would have paid a lot more to never have a puncture again, but with tubeless almost solving that already it seems less important.
  • 1 1
 These questions... I looked at them as OH WAIT no one actually cares. These comments...... There is something to be said for what @Tinuku said. re support the actual journalists(?) They tried to "monetize" (premium membership anyone?) Didn't go as planned I guesss? Wonder if that will still be honoured? Personally not to be targeted to I would pay for that. because.... @Almostredbike is 100% correct. WE are the products. If you're using social media and ever bought anything because of an add that popped up. BOOM! head shot! "THEY" won.
  • 2 0
 Absolutely should have slipped it in there - "how much would you pay for Pinkbike ?
  • 2 0
 How much will you pay me to keep taking polls? Aka, giving you a product you’re going to turn around and sell?
  • 2 0
 I would apparently pay around $100 for a water bottle mount... that is about the cost of my Evoc 3L fanny pack.
  • 3 0
 I'm pretty sure Tom Bradshaw could accomplish all of this for about $6
  • 1 0
 Tin dollahs maybe
  • 4 0
 One MILLION Dollars!
  • 1 0
 One on one coaching with who? Zero if it’s some middle aged guy who can’t whip. 500 if it’s a pro who can actually teach
  • 2 0
 What is the deal with all these polls?
- Legit interested. Is it market research?
  • 3 0
 I already have a 100% reliable drivetrain. Single Speed.
  • 1 0
 What’s the most I’d pay to have Waki back commenting on this Outside shenanigans? More than most maybe, but I miss that dudes humour.
  • 2 0
 Opportunity to toll Outisde+ by completely skewing the results?
  • 2 0
 No more free data to the Outside corporate overlords!
  • 1 0
 Water bottle question makes me cry! I have nice frame without- and this is driving factor to upgrade
  • 2 0
 I'd give my left nut for a day with cathro
  • 2 3
 all of these things already exist, or no one cares. never get a puncture: ditch exo casings.

reliable drivetrain…AXS.

adjustable suspension travel..no one cares.

save 2 lbs. no on cares.
  • 2 0
 No more free data points from me.
  • 2 0
 how much would you pay to read Waki's posts?
  • 1 0
 Didn’t see your comment when I wrote the damn near same thing. Here, here!
  • 1 0
 "continue reading for just 6.99 a month" or "This and much more if you subscribe for just 9.99"
  • 1 0
 I was looking at this as what I would pay on top of existing prices. Maybe that was wrong.
  • 1 0
 How much would Pinkbike pay to get all your personal preferences? (or will you just give it for free)
  • 1 1
 In the past I normally filled in the poll but since PB announced to be behind paywalls - why should I give them a chance to make profit from my answer?
  • 1 0
 FWIW, paying a few hundred for bike skills coaching to make you faster and safer seems much better than crashing or sucking.
  • 1 0
 Great now all the bike prices will go up...
  • 2 1
 Where's "How much would you pay for weed?"?
  • 2 1
 How much we would be willing to pay to get back PB to the people!
  • 1 0
 Ideally they would all be 0$ so theres my vote
  • 1 0
 I'd pay someone to explain how to interpret these questions
  • 1 0
 10billion chucky cheese coins for everything
  • 1 0
 I wouldn't pay $700 for the new absolute black oversized pully
  • 1 0
 I want to pay for polls. $1 per vote.
  • 1 0
 I spy With my little eye
  • 1 0
 You should be paying us for free market research
  • 1 0
 What's the price you get for results of all of these surveys?
  • 1 0
 Choice with lowest number of responses every time, devalue the paywall!
  • 2 1
 i no longer have any money, blew it all on a dh bike
  • 1 0
 This site better be free for trail forks subscribers

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