Pinkbike Poll: Is Dual Slalom Still Relevant?

Aug 23, 2019
by Daniel Sapp  

Recently, I got into an argument about whether anyone actually wants to watch or race dual slalom or not. I argued that old school dual slalom - flat turns and a few berms - is one of the best events for spectators and racers alike. My opponent argued that the numbers simply aren't there—sometimes when we run dual slalom stories you can hear the crickets in the comments.

Things got mean, I said some things, he said some things, that I'm simply an American, nostalgic for the days of a national slalom series, and the sport has moved on. There's no arguing that I'm an American, but I will argue that dual slalom, and especially flat grass turn DS, is still awesome, can still be relevant and that I'm hardly the only one that thinks so.

15 years ago, dual slalom was the rage. If there was a DH race in North America, there was likely a DS race as well. The tracks for DS were grassroots - a couple of small berms, some rollers and doubles, flat grass turns with flags, a pneumatic BMX style start gate, and a finish line. It was probably a 30-second run top to bottom, at most. Tracks were easy and cheap to build (making one on most any moderate slope in an afternoon with some friends and hand tools was possible) and almost anyone could race them. It was a "run what you brung" and you'd never be surprised to see a dark horse on a dirt jump bike best a pro on a specially built slalom rig.

Pros and amateurs would race the same track, many times on the same day, and part of the allure was the fun spirit of the event. Things were relatively low risk and someone racing DH wouldn't hesitate to compete as the likelihood of a weekend ending crash was somewhat low.

Times changed and 4x started to push out DS at a lot of events, especially the higher-level races. Sure, it provided good head to head racing, exciting moments for televised coverage which was a driving factor, but it was, in my opinion, too much. Racers were forced to choose between DH or 4x many times because they were afraid of getting hurt and the courses were unrideable by many below an expert level. The courses were also too expensive and time-consuming to build. Not the worst thing if you're looking for a televised spectacle but, in terms of relatability and accessibility, 4x has never been attainable.

Rider introductions during round 4 of the 2017 4X Pro Tour at JBC Bike Park Jablonec Scotland Czech Republic on July 15 2017. Photo Charles A Robertson
Similar on paper, but in reality, worlds apart. 4x involves elaborate courses, more specialized bikes, and higher risk than DS.

Now, both DS and 4x still exist, but I'd argue that neither are what the pioneers imagined. Each is in competition with the other and both are more focused on being an event with television coverage than an event that people actually want to race. 4x courses are few and far between, and DS courses nowadays are overbuilt, focused on being yet another event at an already busy Crankworx, etc... Now, there's no denying that a perfectly sculpted DS course is a work of art, and it can provide good spectating, it's just not good old-fashioned, unpredictable dual slalom.

In its more grassroots form, dual slalom is a great form of competition. It's a pure, head-to-head, skilled drag race. It's great because no matter how bad the course is, the racing is going to be good...all of the riders are riding on the edge. Flat turns make things unpredictable and the consequences of going over the limit are usually washing out a front wheel. There are storybook upsets where the best rider can lose to an underdog and the race isn't over 'til it's over. It's any person's sport and it's absolutely still relevant.

I will argue that if we went more back to the roots of dual slalom where courses were simplified - tracks that could be built in a day and raced more by the masses, more people would want to not only race but also watch dual slalom, making it not just relevant but rad.

It's clear how I feel about this, but what's your take? Take the poll and discuss in the comments below.

Is Dual Slalom Still Relevant?



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143 Comments

  • 107 0
 Don’t care if it’s relevant, it’s super fun. Keep the DS dream alive!
  • 12 0
 The majority of racing disciplines across all sports are head to head. It's the easiest thing to spectate cause you can always see who's winning and most of the viewing allows you to see almost the entire course. They're fun as hell to ride as well. Also making DS courses takes up about the least amount of space other than a pump track, or dedicated jump line, so they're really well suited for many municipal bike parks that have a little elevation. Also dual suspension dual slalom bikes are fun as hell to ride on regular trails that don't require a ton of suspension travel.

As much as I love 4x as well (I think the old tracks that had rock gardens in them were better) it seems like many tracks aren't designed for close racing or tons of passing opportunities.

#longliveDS
  • 11 2
 What is relevancy other than verbal bullshit spewed from the house of teeth and tongue?

Dual slalom will always be. Praise Jah.
  • 7 2
 The racing is relevant and super fun, but don't make me watch a race. 2 runs for each pairing (as they switch tracks) makes slalom the looongest event to watch. Its a great simple discipline for grassroots events but I have no interest in watching pros compete.
  • 5 0
 Look at Mitch Ropelato completely roosting a turn in his semi final race. Maybe that was speed and style actually. Either way, I find head to head racing super fun to watch. Speed and style may be the new DS, but keep the flat drifty turns either way! Me and my two young kids watched both and we were all glued to the TV cheering on one person or another during each run.
  • 2 1
 Hear hear!!
  • 8 0
 Dual Slalom just put up a poll:

"Is Pinkbike still relevant?"


I voted Yes......
  • 3 3
 Fun is always relevant. And the UCI should still be slapped across the head for replacing ds with that shitshow called 4x, then xc gladiator or whatever it was called and now short track.
  • 2 1
 Every World Cup should have a flagged out duel course down the piste. Just let the track rut in. Flip a coin pick a lane one run.
  • 1 1
 @thenotoriousmic:

Uh thats not how it works.
  • 1 1
 @endlessblockades: I don’t know how it works because like everyone else I don’t give a shit about duel, speed and style 4x and all the shit that’s basically Bmx racing but not as good. Put a 30 second les get style rutted in duel track and you’ve got my attention.
  • 69 1
 More relevant than an ebike race on a MX track - but I guess pagers are technically more relevant than an ebike race on a MX track.... Such is life .....
  • 22 1
 more exciting than pump track to watch
  • 16 0
 I raced DS in college - there are several collegiate courses around the Midwest - and it was a huge part of why college was so much fun.
  • 2 4
 You play any sport in college and makes college "so much fun".
  • 51 33
 A lot more exciting than most of the xc content
  • 13 15
 Not sure why you getting the neg props. Your statement is true.
  • 34 23
 I'd much rather watch WC XC vs riders on a 30 second course over and over.
  • 16 2
 And yet xc consistently gets the most viewers on redbull TV.
  • 4 10
flag bman33 (Aug 23, 2019 at 15:51) (Below Threshold)
 @hayden19: Baffling....lots of folks like yawn fests I suppose. Riding XC...cool. Just not the energy of DS or 4X
  • 14 2
 @bman33: I like to watch both the XC and DH races. XC has tons of position changes and tough battles and are on mtb terrain with rocks and roots. DH courses are long enough to not be too repetative and have the fastest speeds and gnarliest terrain.

Watching DS where the riders go down the same tame course over and over is boring, and comes off as dumbed-downed BMX to me.
  • 2 2
 @dthomp325: It's only a tame course if your going slow.
Turn up the pace and you might scare yourself.
  • 7 2
 @Yaan: oh racing DS is fun no doubt, I'm talking about spectating. It's boring to watch.
  • 4 0
 @dthomp325: have you seen it in person? Watched the DS at the Winter Park nationals last month and was blown away.. so fast and so much skill involved.. but probably does not translate to TV...
  • 1 0
 @dthomp325: At least BMX is head to head.
  • 14 0
 I could write thousands of words on this.

4X is not about rider numbers. It’s about the show it provides. The 4X ProTour stop at JBC Bikepark attracted over 14,000 spectators this year.

The world championships in Val Di Sole had 10,000 spectators and an atmosphere that made the following days dh seem dull.

4X is not about rider numbers. It’s about the entertainment, show and whole track viewing that this sport provides. Jumps of 50 foot with 4 riders head to head gets people cheering. Take a look at the images by Charles Robertson on my website www.beaumontracing.com to get a better feeling of current 4X.

What I find is anyone who argues about costs of building 4X tracks generally hasn’t seen a modern 4X race or track. They base their arguments on a World Cup race in Durango in 2004 or something and haven’t researched how amazing some of the 4X facilities currently are.

In Britain we have a 7 round 4X series. Next year we will have a 7 round 4X ProTour series. We have a waiting list of venues in places like Russia and Mexico who are desperate to host 4X ProTour.

My advice is. If you haven’t watched a 4X ProTour in the last 3 years then you have no idea what tracks and events currently look like. That makes you very ill informed to comment on the relevance of 4X or other head to head racing.

Most of us don’t live in war torn countries. We race mountain bikes. It’s fun. Aren’t we lucky to even own bikes. Get involved or don’t. But enjoy yourself. If you don’t like racing other people then don’t do it. But if it’s entertaining don’t throw arguments like there’s not many do around. It’s boring. F1, Moto GP have 22 riders/drivers. It’s about the show.
  • 3 0
 So, you’re saying you like 4X Scott?
  • 1 0
 I'm curious. Do you always speak about yourself in the third person or does someone write your website news reel on your behalf?
  • 13 0
 DS FOREVER #SLALOMLIFE

It's fun as hell to race and I'm not that competitive. 1 beer between each heat from semis on....
  • 1 1
 I dig where you are going....like a beer a hole in golf!
  • 2 1
 @bman33: Yep when you have to push back up the hill between heats it helps!
  • 13 0
 #LONGLIVESLALOM
  • 14 4
 BRING 4X AND DS BACK TO THE UCI!!! Both of those events are great for spectators. Unlike XC, enduro and DH where you can only watch one section
  • 1 0
 Thank you!
  • 2 0
 Good that the European 4Cross Series (www.4cross.eu) supports all kind of head-to-head disciplines: 4Cross, Dual Slalom, Dual Eliminator and Pumptrack Wink
  • 14 2
 The "no" voters, will be hanged on the wall in Gilead.
  • 1 0
 Hear, hear!
  • 7 0
 One of my favorite forms of racing (to race and watch). Always a fan favorite, crowds and cameras can see/view the entire course. That said, I think a combo of new and old-school in the same course is usually spot on. For some reason, UCI just didn't like DS and that is where 4X came about for the most part. 4X can be exciting to watch if the course is correct. However, too often if boils down to who gets to the first turn first or who can take out the other riders and stay standing.

My two cents...
  • 7 0
 This is one of those deceptive polls to still get desired results via dissuading verbage...

"No, the sport has moved on, head to head racing is outdated"

WTF caveat is that thrown in at the end about head to head racing, intentionally to dissuade voters from selecting that?
  • 7 1
 I just got to say who the hell are the 185 people than have voted no? Head to head on some flat grass turns mid course is some damn good racing.
  • 5 1
 This is a good thing to discuss... To berm or not to berm. Berms add a physical fitness component but remove the component of dealing with the limits of traction (although it's still possible to slide out in some berms). However berms have crept in and almost removed this component from the sport, a component which in my opinion, should be its very core. Not just in DS but overall. Berms can be fun but they make things easier, and competition should not be about making things easier. The way I see it, if you are going to build a berm for a competition, you ought to be orienting it to the outside. An off-camber. I don't get this obsession with berms and with making everything "a walk in the park".
  • 1 0
 I'd love to get my hands on an excavator and create a course that's traction hell. Though on a dual slalom context it could be tricky because every shape would have to be perfectly replicated.
  • 3 0
 Yes Les Gets DH was super fun to watch this season because of the flat/off-camber turns and wide taping. Definitely feels like a lost aspect of the sport
  • 1 0
 @DavidGuerra: No, it wouldn't. Each racer races each side to even that up.
  • 1 0
 @DarrellW: That makes sense.
  • 4 0
 Spode it's a more accessible form of racing than DH but has same vibe. Peatys Sheffield slalom certainly goes down well and that's not even a particularly tech course. I've been riding since mid 90's and personally would love to see a series
  • 5 2
 Those poll answer choices don't even cover the difference between racing, watching live or watching on screen, and I'd argue (IMO) that this is where the rub lies.

I LOVE racing DS, I like watching it in person - it's a great atmosphere, but watching it on screen is pretty dull. There's very little visual spectacle compared to SS or DSS, (unless someone comes off) and it kinda looks quite slow compared to DH.

4X was way more interesting personally (To race, watch live AND view on screen) and that got shot in the head with a bolt gun. Remember Vigo? #bringback4X
  • 3 0
 From a rider’s perspective: BMX, motocross, downhill, nor enduro racing, all of which I put everything I had into at the time, will ever compare to the joy and excitement that I’ve felt with DS. Regardless of whether it were a backyard track with buddies or a pro national championship. The format offers a unique opportunity for anyone to participate and get a low-commitment first dose of what bike racing can be. I don’t think I’ve ever seen relative beginners more stoked on mtb than after a grassroots little slalom race.

Spectator’s perspective: The only mtb race you can watch entirely from one spot while having a picnic, and the matchups conveniently become closer and more exciting as you drink more beer. DS is for the people.
  • 2 0
 In the 90's I lived next door to the Parkpre bikes team manager ( who remembers Parkpre?).
He used to take me to all the events and I remember going to dual slalom events held inside indoor stadiums. They would build a scaffolding about 40 feet high for the start its flagsarking the turns, once they got to the bottom there was still another 40 yards to the finish on polished concrete. It was so awesome to watch the close racing and the drifting happening on the polished concrete !
  • 6 0
 SO MUCH SLALOM is about to happen in the Southeast in the next 6 months.
  • 1 0
 Watch out for Eric "the Crow" Pinson!
  • 4 0
 Way more action packed and exciting than pump track. Slalom is one of the more exciting events to watch on a broadcast or in person.
  • 3 1
 So many reasons to bring DS back. Most importantly, I think, is that it encourages good cornering technique and a course can be built just about anywhere. Even in the flat Midwest, you can find a hill big enough for DS. You want to develop the next top level DHers or Enduro riders, build a race program that encourages young riders to hone their skill set. Wednesday night local races would be great for participation and spectating with far less cost and complexity of a BMX track. Heck, tie it in with a weekly town concert series and you’d get a whole town out to cheer on the groms.
  • 2 0
 I raced it in the old days. It was great!! Never knew if you were racing a bmx kid or a blazing fast 40+ year old dad or a jock or some quiet psychopath on a crap bike that was faster than anyone else. And people raced what ever bike they had. You would see a dh bike lined up and think,"There is no way.. Oh, he's ahead.. He won!" It was very humbling and always great time. I could race it about 10 times year at one point, now it's maybe once a year, which I missed this years. I miss it, and I shouldn't have to wait till next year, imo..
  • 10 9
 Here’s an idea: put 2 rows of slalom poles into a sloping grass field, make 2-3 jumps out of boards and pallets, bring 3-4 cisterns filled with water to make that field moist and keep it this way. Bring a DJ, DH bike, Ebike, whatever, The only restriction is that tire knobs cannot be longer than 3mm... this will be a good show.
  • 2 0
 All that's needed are well built, progressive tracks, that aren't too easy. A series alongside some of the WCDH rounds would be awesome.
  • 3 8
flag WAKIdesigns (Aug 23, 2019 at 12:52) (Below Threshold)
 @shredright: riding Ikons, RRalphs, or XR2s on a wet grass field is not easy and would separate endubros from racers rather quickly, for everyone to see... lots of safe yet spectacular fails.
  • 2 0
 I'd rather see riders flat out on a sick course personally.
  • 11 5
 @shredright: yes, we tried that with 4x which was already beyond acceptable event organization complexity and expenditure. It was no more inclusive than slope style YET, it was not close to what racers were capable of, since as BNX racers they were jumping stuff like that on bikes half of the size, with 8 not 4 folks going for the win, on a flat course, where the only speed came from them pumping and pedaling. Pardon me but, with all due respect, 4x racing was a half arsed form of BMX supercross.
  • 1 0
 Yep!
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: yeah you could be the governing body for such an event. After each round measure the height of their tread, if 1mm too high you can shout ‘cheat’ and ban them for life! Sorry I must be smokin a pancake tonight or something !! Ooo eeee I’m keerrrazeeee!!!
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: this is the truth!
DS was like let's do fun quick DH style races on mountain bikes.

4x was like let's find a racing platform we know (BMX) and stick MTBs on it.
  • 1 0
 It could be interesting, but it could also be considered too awkward, too difficult to control the bikes. As long as the available traction is insufficient for the maximum speed that can be achieved on a given corner, the element of dealing with the limits of traction is there, and it can become a determining factor for a competition. For me limiting the tires or bikes would be the last resource. The available (and excessive) entry speed on a corner can be increased, the camber can be decreased, the angle of the corner can be increased...
  • 1 0
 Yes!!
  • 1 0
 I would say it’s been longer then 15 years that dual Slalom in its old form of two separate tracks. Dual took over late 90s early 00s then 4x killed that off around 2004ish. Then 4x died off in popularity as soon as slopestyle ruled. Ebb and flow. But old school dual Slalom is my jam. Love to race it.
  • 4 0
 The Cane Creek Dual Slalom event is always the raddest time with killer racing. Do more of this. REEB Ranchin’ rowdyness.
  • 1 0
 Love watching DS in person at Crankworx Whistler. We always make it a point to get there. This year They moved it to Blackcomb and tried to leverage some of the speed and style course, it was mediocre and tough to watch in person. Super bummed, but it seems the move to Blackcomb is the last step before moving it out of Crankworx.
  • 1 0
 I was also there this year at crankworx and was super bummed that it was moved to Blackcomb base area. I was riding the bike park all day and wanted to go check out the race but they wouldn’t let me take the gondola over with my bike which was kind of annoying and I bet probably turned a lot of people from going and watching.
  • 4 0
 Dual slalom alive and well in Maryland! Gravity Soul Dual slalom festival on October 5th!!
  • 1 0
 It's relevant and exciting to watch and race. More interesting tracks could make it super cool - flat corners, berms, jumps and a little tech would make for participant and viewer excitement. Tons of opportunity for creativity and coverage.
  • 1 0
 Dualslalom is best somewhere in middle imo. I want more action than bombing a grass hill but courses shouldb still be accessible and Focus on being fun to ride overcommitted as as opposed to ultratechnical dh pumptracks with a couple jumps. Give a spot or two so guys can separate themselves but only by maybe a few seconds over a 30 second course
  • 1 0
 I used to lust after the latest dual slalom bikes back in the sport's heyday, they always looked so poised to stomp. It seems like you don't see many DS specific bikes anymore, which is too bad. I've always wanted one but, without being a DS racer, don't really need one of course. Way cool discipline that should stick around, and as everyone says, its the most accessible and tangible "mano a mano" format.
  • 1 0
 If there where more DS races, there would be more DS racers...
DS is awesome but, I know what puts people off competing. Getting knocked out in the first round. There's one Dual (no slalom involved) a year local to me but, they only run 3 cats. Under 30 over 30 an Pro/elite. As a 45 year old am, I don't wanna pay my entry, rock up an get knocked out in the first round by a gym addict drugged up 30 year old sand bagger.

Also, Personally.... loose the flat grass turns. It's not 1990 any more. Tracks have moved forward. Build better tracks!!!
  • 1 0
 I've never understood how a race against a clock in the forest can be more spectacular to watch than the head-to-head fighting at a well exposed track... But why limit the fun to couples, let's make it a 4-some! Double the riders, double the carnage!
  • 1 0
 There are so many reasons why DS should become more popular again. It is great fun (for me the best of any racing discipline). It is comparably easy to orgaz. It can be raced with quite simple equipment. You do not need to take huge risks.
For me, the golden standard of DS tracks is still Sea Otter: flat turns mixed with fast berms and a rythm section. A bigger jump towards the end would make it perfect.
  • 1 0
 It's great fun to watch live as you can really see the effort the riders have to put in, sadly I think a lot of that is lost when watching a TV feed or highlights online. It's the nuances that make it such a good spectator sport, same as pumptrack. What it's actually relevant to though I have no idea.
  • 1 0
 Let's be honest, Slalom although fun is not head to head racing. Two separate tracks doing timed runs. 4X provides the raw bar to bar action. Although it may not be that 'relevant' to every mountain biker, you stick anyone on the side of a hill with a well build track, throw some riders down and they'll be loving the action. It's not about the numbers of riders, it's about the action they create.
  • 1 0
 I have mixed feelings about this. I remember watching Hans Rey destroy the others at the world champs, but he was the only one who could ride. My friend and I could have won it on our BMX bikes. 10 years later I stumbled upon a DS race. There was a kid on a crappy BMX beside me, so asked him if I could borrow his bike. No, it didn't have working brakes and it had slick tyres, but I still beat the guy beside me on his DH bike. I could feel his pain.
  • 1 1
 I was thinking some sort of slower 1 on 1 dual DH tracks could be interesting.
Slower to minimize risks, but kinda "intense" none the less as they would race "against" each other. The 2 tracks would be side by side but not exactly the same so maybe a 2 rounds race where the best time overall is the winner.
This wouldn't be flat out DH but more technically oriented.
Then again, you may injure yourself more at low than high speed, so I don't know.
  • 2 0
 I've never done a dual slalom but it looks fun! I'd race one given the opportunity. Definitely need more flat corners in all races. Perfectly sculpted berms are boring.
  • 1 0
 Flat corners to me are slow and boring. I love the high speed berms and pumping berm to berm if you can, that is pure fun as a rider. Flats are fun to watch just like nascar, waiting for somebody to slide out for action.
  • 1 0
 Love it but not sure it has a place on the pro calendar. At an event I think it's awesome - like you say a few flat turns and just let everyone have a crack at each other: great laugh.
  • 1 0
 don't care if it's fun or not to watch, mtb is riders' sport, keep mtb as riders want it, not only good for the eyes of internet... One of the only sport who has kept its soul from the beginning..
  • 1 0
 It should be mandatory in every race, so much fun and gives the riders more tehcnical knowledge of turning gaining speed instead of the stupid fashion of skiding everywhere.
Saludos de México
  • 2 0
 Comment with the most upvotes at +12, 250 responses to the poll, I guess nobody's listening. Makes me sad.
  • 2 0
 for anyone looking for a DS event this fall...https://www.facebook.com/events/365600594151015/
  • 2 0
 I dont know if its still relavent but is SUPER DUPER FUN!!!! anyone who hasn't tried it is missing out!
  • 3 0
 Dual Slalom is THE relevance
  • 1 0
 the best outcome of increased slalom events is more slalom bikes. I remember bikes like the GT distortion. Man that thing was fun! Slalom bikes are a blast to ride.
  • 1 0
 I’d rather race dual than 4x, DH, XC or pump. They’re such rare events for the uk but much more fun, sociable and competitive
  • 1 0
 Bring back more of both sports!!! 4X and DS are amazing but they aren’t as popular these days. Everyone is all over Enduro unfortunately Frown
  • 5 3
 If they’re all on drugs , no
  • 23 0
 I think they use bikes
  • 12 2
 @jimobox you sound like you should do some drugs.
  • 7 0
 Drugs are good mmmkay!
  • 1 1
 @WAKIdesigns: tell me which ones you’re on waki so I can give them to my kid for next sports day . If he can win the skipping race it’ll all be worth it.
  • 2 0
 Fits well as a fun amd not.too serious side attraction at other events.
  • 2 1
 The first rule of arguing with Brian Park is you dont argue with Brian Park. Wink
  • 2 0
 Great article, bring it back to World Cup!
  • 2 0
 Solution: DS with four lines.
  • 2 1
 It's not relevant in America because we went soft.....I blame insurance companies.
  • 1 0
 @kymtb0420 You need to look one step deeper, it's the lawyers and judges that made "Deep Pockets" Personal Injury Law suits massively profitable and the whole country Sue Happy. That's why Insurance Companies are the way they are here in the US. They're just trying to protect themselves from a legal system gone insane. Yes, we're in need of serious Tort reform and enforcement of personal responsibility.

As for DS, good watching. Never had the opportunity to try it but would like to.
  • 1 0
 @Augustus-G: If I want tort reform....I'll read John Grisham . Health insurance is the main driver for the indentured servitude workforce and no fun America.
  • 1 0
 @kymtb0420: Same cause. Doctors performing unnecessary tests and procedures to CYA their asses from the lawyers. The cost of Malpractice Insurance has gone through the roof because of the same kind of lawsuits.
We are the single most litigious country in the world.
You want fun? Keep the lawyers out it.
  • 1 0
 @Augustus-G: Well---Lawyers are a necessary evil....Health insurance companies for profit are not. With a national healthcare program a lot of those liability lawsuits would be gone. They sue because of the outlandish medical bills...there are the outliers that see a payday--but they are outliers.

Just to see where you are at....what is your opinion on the mcdonalds coffee lawsuit?
  • 1 0
 @kymtb0420: Not in their current form they're not. Vultures have better ethics than PI Lawyers.

You've got the cart in front of the horse. Healthcare cost went through the roof AFTER the lawsuits were allowed to make lawyers and their clients rich. Though, the current bunch of Neo-Marxist something for nothing delusionalists would like you believe otherwise but for those of us who watched it happen, we know which came first.

Socialized Healthcare is crap healthcare. Why do think so many come here for major health needs?

Her fault, 100%. Hot Coffee doesn't belong in your crotch. Being stupid doesn't justify a payday.
  • 1 0
 @Augustus-G: I'm going to follow you---I want you to find and watch the documentary Hot Coffee or atleast search it a little on youtube. Then comeback with those comments....
  • 1 0
 @kymtb0420: I used to drink their coffee when it all happened back in '92-'94. I know the case.
I'm not going to waste my time on some YouTube Video trying to tell me what I've read about several dozen times 25 years ago. She put hot coffee in soft side cup between her legs, End of story as far as I'm concerned.

I'm going to go peel the dozen or so Warning stickers off my new ladder now.
  • 1 1
 @Augustus-G: Now I have to un-follow you.....Your wilfull ignorance is a part of the problem and not the solution. If you were drinking their coffee in 92-94, then you're atleast 40 years old, and it seems you have "learned" as much as you need to. Let me be the first to tell you....you are a miserable old geezer whose glory days have left you far behind---you are going to be a limp pecker, denture wearing, lonely "man"
  • 1 0
 @kymtb0420: I didn't invite you to follow me. You just assumed you could do as you damned well please.
How typical of your ilk. So now, you can piss off you sanctimonious snowflake.

As for the rest of your little tirade.
You know less than nothing about me. If you knew that, at least you'd know something.

Sua' Sponte.
  • 1 0
 @Augustus-G: When presented evidence contrary to your belief....you dismiss it and won't even look at it. That's all I need to know about you.
  • 1 0
 @kymtb0420: ROFLMAO. You're so far out of your depth whale shit has one up on you.
You've assumed you know more about the events than I do because I hold her personally responsible for her actions....... Right, got it. You really need to get some help, your narcissism is getting the better of you.

Bye.
  • 1 0
 @Augustus-G: Predictable.....
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 Dual Slalom is cool an all, but what about 26"!!!
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 Long Live Slalom Pinkbikeral
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 They should add technical rock sections, bigger jumps, and dropoffs. That would make it more interesting.
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 Can we bring back Mountain Cross/4x racing? And Super D with LeMans starts (Lemond start?) Smile
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 I wish DS came back to the Northeast race events. Its been over 10 years since a cool DS race happened.
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 Check out Gravity Soul in Maryland, not quite NE but worth the drive!
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 4X is the most exciting form of racing. Perfect spectator sport and amazing to race!
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 Let me answer this with another question: how relevant was f**king XC Eliminator, like EVER???
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 make it a World Cup event and Gove points towards the over-all - spice up the racing for the spectators
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 What about ebike DS but go up the course
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 Is the course an MX course? Are the races jerrys and gapers at best? If either of the above is no, then no.
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 Dual on 50lb bike....... raaaaad¿
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 Make it more appealing to the video game crowd. Give riders skins, guns, and dance moves. Then other kids will watch the best video game players play their game of dual slalom. Am I getting this right?
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 Sad truth
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 @Eastern-States-Cup we want Dual Slalom!!!! Flat grass turns FTW!!!
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 WippaSnppa in the Cow paddock and jobs your uncle, dual salom course.
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 Bring back 4X
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 DS on loamy rut lines with tight turns is awesome.
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 Pretty sure it got replaced with Dual Speed and Style
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 Take the plan, spin it sideways.
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 Flat turns are rad. There are enough berms in the world.
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 Looks more interesting than that ebike competition you posted.
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 If you don’t chew big red and like slalom .... then F*** YOU!
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 Dare anyone ask the same question of slopestyle? ???? *Ducks for cover*
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 Relevant to what?
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