Pinkbike Poll: Would You Buy an Enduro Bike With a Dual-Crown Fork?

Apr 2, 2021
by Seb Stott  
Reed Boggs Yeti SB165

Bikes in every category are getting ever more capable. Better geometry, suspension and components mean we've never had it so good. But in a recent poll we found out that some of you still suffer with creaking fork crowns. This could be because it's possible to send harder than ever without a downhill bike, and because bigger wheels and slacker head angles put more leverage and stress on the crown.

Trek Slash 2021
Trek's Knock Block and other steering limiters raise the question of whether it makes sense to have just one crown.

At the same time, Trek's Knock Block deliberately limits the steering lock in order to protect the frame and handlebar controls in the event of a crash. And since its introduction, more brands have followed suit with steering limiters of their own. But this lack of steering lock is one of the major reasons to have a single-crown fork in the first place. And dual-crown forks make a lot more sense from a structural point of view.

Picture holding a fishing rod with a heavy fish on the end. If you hold it one-handed, there's a lot of torsional strain on your hand and wrist, making it hard to hold on. But if you hold it with two hands, some distance apart, there's virtually no torsional strain on your wrists. That's why dual-crown forks never creak, and why they have a lower stack height because the crown doesn't need to be so tall. This can allow for more travel for a given axle-to-crown length, plus the axle-to-crown measurement can be adjusted by moving the stanchions through the crowns, to fine-tune the geometry. Dual crowns also offer more room to fit a larger volume air spring, with lower compression ratios, which can provide a more coil-like spring curve.

I've been testing this dual-crown MORC 36 from Mojo rising on a Geometron G1. It's designed to have a stiffer chassis and more linear air spring than the Fox 36 on which it's based.

Of course, weight is a concern. But some single-crowns like the Fox 38 or Marzocchi Z1 coil are already perilously close to the weight of a RockShox Boxxer (2588g), or MRP Bartlett (2,495g).

So would you buy a bike if it came with a dual-crown fork?

Would you consider buying a trail or enduro bike with a dual-crown fork?




350 Comments

  • 485 12
 didn't realize there were so many enduro riders doing barspins
  • 29 1
 Filter down from the spandexed curly bar world "spin it to win it". I assume they mean bar spins when they say it.
  • 119 4
 Man, if I had a nickel for everytime I turned my bars all way around on a trail ride...I'd have a couple of nickels, but then those were during crashes that tried to rip my cables out so even then dual crown would probably have been better...
  • 43 0
 I think it's just Kirt Vories throwing bars on an enduro bike. everyone else just likes the idea of it.
  • 13 2
 @Avanwin: I did it and hated it, quite nerve racking to spin a big spinning wheel and catch the bars with brakes on them as compared to bmx, not fun
  • 1 0
 @waldo-jpg: ooh, I can imagine. I think Kirt catches his bars more in the middle, I'd have to watch some of his clips again to see for sure.
  • 29 0
 @EnsBen really? I spin my bars all the time. But then I am less an enduro rider and more just a rider.
If I could not spin my bars, Id struggle to get the bike in my van!
  • 33 1
 I do barspins when i crash
  • 16 4
 I was thinking more about tight climbs.
  • 3 1
 Combo of slacker head tube angles + fork bumpers makes those degrees on the extreme end very precious sometimes.
  • 2 3
 @mobiller: I’ve had the same experience. I wonder if undue force from a crash would hurt the frame or the fork in a dual crown setup.
  • 39 0
 @asmtb: my favourite combo trick is OTB with bar spin
  • 3 27
flag digitalsoul (Apr 2, 2021 at 16:02) (Below Threshold)
 'I can explain it to you, but I can't make you understand it". The amount of upvotes just shows the comment section is full of idiots.
  • 5 0
 @kyytaM: with or without faceplant ?
  • 18 6
 I don’t know where everyone is riding that the trails have no tight switchbacks, but other than true DH trails I often have to turn the bars more than a DC will allow...and I don’t have that euro nose wheelie skill dialed to the point I can rely on it. I definitely admire all who do though
  • 1 0
 @waldo-jpg: that's exactly why I find it fun!
  • 2 0
 @kyytaM: Hey, don't we know you from Friday Fails?
  • 4 6
 @mobiller: where I live there are so many slow twisty technical trails you won't be doing with your dh fork...what I didn't know was there were so many people out there breaking their 38's ahahha
  • 2 0
 @drlancefreeride: I've never ridden a DC fork so I think I'd need to try my tightest trails on one before parting with £1000 and finding the bumpers every ride...
  • 3 0
 @nozes: not yet, I prefer to fail on MTB privately Smile
  • 1 0
 @Avanwin: 50:01 crew too.
  • 6 0
 My riding pants aren't tight enough for me to barspin
  • 1 0
 I've found mobility in my bars in steep tight moves to help me out a ton. I have only borrowed a dh bi,e to ride park, so i don't now how it would hold up but I will say I like the turning radius for the crawler moves.
  • 1 0
 @drlancefreeride: just front brake into the turn entrancelean forward and wrist your body and lean the way you want to go, the rear end should just skitter around there tighter.
  • 2 0
 @Zeeroone:

Its not genetally snapping, dual crowns and direct mount stems are stiffer and have better adjustability
  • 2 0
 @ilovedust: same but now I just take my front wheel off and eat the 30 second time penalty
  • 116 3
 Uh oh. This post is gonna make that Dual Crown dude’s head explode.
  • 7 0
 hahaha that was the prefect way to start my Easter weekend. Time for a ride!
  • 56 7
 judging by his comment history, it 'sploded awhile ago.
  • 9 2
 I can smell the lawsuit already
  • 30 0
 @conoat: Speaking of comment history
  • 10 1
 this is amazing. i am in the "yt is nazi / 3 year olds arguing" tread with him and have to out up with his bullshit and shimano lawsuit. this is amazing.
  • 7 0
 @sjma: make sure to join the class action soon. You're missing out on boat loads of payouts!
  • 8 0
 @conoat: As long as you don't pronounce YT you should be safe.
  • 54 1
 Not me right?
  • 7 0
 @dualcrownscottspark: nope. You’ll know when you seem him and I’m surprised he’s not all over this one yet.
  • 21 1
 @extratalldirtrider: I know who your talking about. He’s tainting my name! That guy is a wacko.
  • 8 1
 @extratalldirtrider: I'm sure he's already feverishly working on a blog and a class action suit lol
  • 5 1
 @timotheysski: oh my god the shimano lawsuit! I read his blog post on that and I think it's safe to say that he's insane. Obiously some parts will fail if you push them past their limits, derailleurs included.
  • 15 87
flag DoubleCrownAddict (Apr 2, 2021 at 14:44) (Below Threshold)
 @imnotdanny: Luca didn't push the parts past their limits he did nothing wrong as a rider. I've added some points to my derailleur hater blog, and nobody can refute them:


✔ A single speed chain is stronger than a derailleur chain, which is designed to flex and shift.

✔ There is no derailleur for the chain to get tangled up in and jam.

✔ There is no exposed rear derailleur to get damaged by rocks and other obstacles.

✔ The front sprocket isn't as large so the chain is much less likely to get hit when the suspension bottoms out, and is less likely to hit the ground or hit rocks, dramatically decreasing the chances of damaging the chain.

✔ Sticks or other obstacles are much less likely to get caught in the drivetrain, which can damage or rip off the rear derailleur or cause damage to the chain.

✔ The chain is tighter and not bouncing around as much, dramatically lessening the chance of damage or derailment.

✔ There is no risk of a bent or out of adjustment rear derailleur, causing the chain to shift off of the casette into the spokes, which can immediacy destroy the drivetrain and hanger and put the rider at immediate risk without warning.

✔ There is much less risk of the bike mis-shifting while pedaling, which can by itself cause your feet to come off the pedals, and/or cause the rider to lose balance and crash.

People's comments and arguments are getting blown out of the water by me in my derailleur hater blog, it's a literal blood bath for the derailleur suckers trying to defend them. Anybody who visits the blog and tries to defend derailleurs need to be prepared to be immediately suppressed.

As for dual crown on enduro, could care less. I either ride an e bike or my chainless, derailleur free coaster old school 26" DH bike. But I'm mostly on my e bike. unless I go to Whistler. People who still spend money for old timey retro grouch enduro non e bikes are fools who are easily departed with their money. I took off the derailleur and put it in the trash bin, cause...
#Justice4Luca
  • 18 2
 @DoubleCrownAddict: drivetrain manufacturers should hire you because you seem to be 3 steps ahead of everyone else. Either that or read your blog and be “woke” with your knowledge.
  • 7 1
 @DoubleCrownAddict: I am trying to get my LBS to setup an e-bike singlespd for me. Take my $$$
  • 9 0
 @onemind123: just make sure it is a yt
  • 4 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: I’ve literally only experienced the last one in your list in the last 8 years. I don’t ride tame trails; anyone in Utah can attest to the inordinate amount of rocks on our trails. Though I agree on theory with all your points, they just don’t happen that much these days. If that were a list from 15 years ago it would make a ton of sense.
  • 7 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: you say single speed is safer than derailleur, but with a single speed set up you need a chain tensioner for chain growth on full suspension so what's the difference between the derailleur and the chain tensioner? I have a dh single speed with tensioner and a trail bike with derailleur and both work flawlessly.
  • 9 3
 @DoubleCrownAddict: are you waki's cousin?
  • 7 17
flag DoubleCrownAddict (Apr 3, 2021 at 8:04) (Below Threshold)
 @ybsurf: A chain tensioner is much less exposed than a weak ass rear derailleur. The single speed chain on a gearbox is also much stronger and more reliable. All you have to do is imagine a motorcycle with a derailleur on it. and realize how utterly stupid that would be, to realize how utterly stupid derailleurs are.

If you read the comments in my blog I've destroyed these types of points over and over again.
  • 6 8
 @DoubleCrownAddict: I’ve ridden since 2009 and I’ve never broken or even damaged a rear derailleur. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but it’s rare.
  • 7 2
 @DoubleCrownAddict: I thought internet hours were limited in psychiatric wards....you must have got a good deal.
  • 4 0
 Anyone heard anything from Protour recently? Has he ever been seen with DCA in the same place at the same time?
  • 5 2
 @dick-pound: he’s probably got a gas leak at his house. Or he’s full on qanon. Either way...
  • 3 1
 @DoubleCrownAddict: You forgot to mention the option for stronger hubs with symmetrical dish dimensions. Agreed with up till you started promoting E-bikes. Those gold plated turds are the antithesis of the simplicity of single speed riding.
  • 6 2
 @trainboy17: @trainboy17: Don't compare this nutjob to Waki please. Check out some of Wakis old blog posts , they are actually really good. That guy was a damn legend, just liked to mess with yuppies in the comments. He was a legit artist, rider, and had some interesting opinions.
  • 2 1
 @skerby: no way, just pointing out that the impulsive comments and "first to reply" mentality are similar. I too, loved Waki's absurd ideas and artistic point of view.
  • 91 2
 Dual crown on a Hardtail
  • 9 0
 The dartmoor Hornet is rated for exactly that! (considering it actually)
  • 27 1
 evil imperial
  • 3 1
 @noone1223: I rec'd my frame a few weeks ago and it's CHUNKY. If there's any hardtail frame I'd feel would suit them it's this. Still very much don't want that geo though
  • 3 0
 I run a Z1 coil on my hardtail (close to the weight of a Boxxer evidently). Doesn't feel too heavy though and I'd happily consider a reduced travel dual crown.
  • 18 0
 Hell yeah! Junior T on my P2 back in the days of urban free riding!
  • 7 0
 haha my first "real mountain bike" was a KHS DJ200 with a Marzocchi Bomber 888 on it. I loved that bike and can't believe the trails I used to take it down. LOL
  • 6 0
 Reading this while delightfully contemplating my Evil Sovereign sporting a 155mm Boxxer.
  • 5 0
 I'd put one on a BTR Belter
  • 4 0
 @preach: That brings back sweet, sweet memories Smile
  • 8 0
 @nmn25 alas nothing new. We were doing it in the late ‘90s. Granted it was with Judy and RST moto triple crowns. Damn that 4” travel was HUGE then.
  • 2 0
 @ilovedust: I remember wanting a Kona Chute sooo bad in the 90's - the one that came stock with Judy XLC's. It's probably awful by today's standard but I'd still have one now if I could Razz
  • 13 0
 Dual crowns on hardtails were pretty common twenty years ago. I used to ride a Torrent with a Super T. For extra slackness and look cool factor I also had a 24" Sun Doublewide rear wheel.
  • 3 0
 Yes. We need to bring this back.
  • 3 0
 Dartmoor Hornet w/160mm Pike owner here. Bike is such a riot, that begs you to charge recklessly through everything, making you feel underforked at times.
  • 10 13
 I remember the days when a few folks would show up on DC HTs to a DH race. But all those people were just too poor to own a fully. Not exactly the type on a Chromag with Ewing cranks.
  • 5 0
 I had a dual crown Judy XL on a hard tail back in 2000-2001. I was a teenager and thought I’d be cool like the freeride dudes.

It rode pretty well until it oval’d out the head tube.
  • 12 1
 @wakidesigned: I think I just saw a ghost.
  • 4 0
 @craigcanucks: Member since April 1, 2021
  • 2 3
 @wakidesigned: I'd say exact same type, just a little older, a little wiser, with a little more disposable income.
  • 1 0
 Seen it! With cable disc brakes. And the dude riding it ripped
  • 2 2
 Have one. It’s horrible.

They belong on dh bikes.
  • 3 0
 @adrennan: 24 Le Toy or Banshee Morphine with a Monster T
  • 3 6
 Please, no. Not again... I've ridden lots in hardtails and I can tell you 150 mm on a hardtail is already too much. The extra weight is too much for a hardtail too...I'd rather ride a balanced bike that doesn't dive in the nose everytime I interact with the bars... Please, all you DC HT lovers, give me reasons to ride a boxxer in a HT apart from aesthetics...
To me, the only reason to not to ride a hardtail is back/knee/ankle pain and a dual crown is doing nothing in this regard....
  • 3 0
 @Zeeroone: Wait, you're talking about 200mm travel DCs, which are obviously nuts on a HT. We're talking about 150-160mm travel DCs instead, which make a lot of sense. Modern geo HTs can be ridden very hard down very rough trails, where front end precision and stability are a bonus, even with no rear squish.
  • 3 0
 To be fair I would have thought you could have a long travel dual crown fork at a similar or lower weight as a single crown, but with greater stiffness and lower stack, all for around the same price. Seems like a good idea I’d try it out.
  • 2 2
 @wakidesigned: Good to see you, the place just hasn't been the same....Awesome choice of date to reactivate!
  • 6 6
 @privateer-wheels: I am pretty sure these were broke 16-20yr olds who were riding 100$ Dirt hardtail frames on used boxxers with cheap mechanical disc brake front and vbrake rear... out of despair, not choice. It was a so called Hobby hardtail race category. Not a single bike with two identical rims or brake rotors, all a collection of scrap. I’ve been one of them.
  • 2 1
 @wakidesigned:LOL! Yes, there were those, but there were folks riding higher end hardtails with DC forks as well. And everything in between. If I'm not mistaken, Norco even spec'ed a hardtail with a DC fork one year.
  • 3 1
 @wakidesigned: actually we used to build bikes like that partly for cost savings but also for "urban assault" back in the day. Gnarly stair drops and the like with bikes you could jump and crash without trashing.

Back then the ultimate frame was a Banshee or a 24 Le Toy
  • 1 0
 @James2785: loose headsets do that
  • 1 0
 @Peskycoots: 2014 fox 40 is only 2 lbs heavier than a 2014 pike--my 2014 nomad 3 is under 30 pounds with the dual crown. yes it voids the warranty!
  • 63 2
 CHECK OUT MY FULL WORK ...comparison of SINGLE vs DUAL crown for enduro!

youtu.be/5LxYM8IOI3Q
  • 2 0
 Have watched this multiple times in the past and have to say it was a great video and very interesting. Thanks for making it.
  • 6 0
 I was just going to post this for everyone to see. I spent over a year on dual crown enduro bike, it was fantastic, till it was stollen. My replacement bike is basically the same setup but with a 36. The 36 has been warrantied multiple times, and the crowns are creaking again. I don't think everyone needs a dual crown but for heavier (Im only 190lb riding weight) riders I think the benefits start to out weigh the cons.
  • 5 0
 I don't understand why this guy does not have more views. Great work!
  • 2 0
 @mixmastamikal: y welcome. thanks for watching
  • 3 0
 Dude, what an entertaining (and professional) 28mins! The last 10 seconds made me smile when you talked about when we rode crapy bikes but we still had fun. Well dine. Forza.
  • 2 0
 @lastminutetech: well it ain't only funny, there is some reality inside that phrase... now all 29" , all modern stuff, all big, heavy...but my legs WATTs are always the same of 10 years ago, well maybe now less because I turned 42y !!! but, again, thanks for watching!
  • 1 0
 While I agree dual crown makes a lot of sense, the flex below the crown, by the laws of physics, is no different if you add a second crown above and leave the stanchions and lowers below the same. So if you have slip stick due to deformation, it will stay the same with a dual crown. Obviously this changes a lot if you go from a regular fork to an USD.
  • 1 0
 This was hands down one of the most interesting technical mtb videos I've seen. Seriously awesome work.

Matching the A2C and travel numbers great, but then you went to all the effort and cost to match spring/damper curves! Then custom crowns to hit the offset?! Huge props.
  • 1 0
 @cstich: thanks man, I appreciate the nice words! I really put my best in that video test work
  • 1 0
 Awesome vid.
  • 1 0
 Amazing work, testing, and video. That enduro Dorado is very very cool, you may have inspired me to build something similar.
  • 59 0
 I already have a Lefty, does that count?
  • 60 10
 Eeeew no
  • 8 1
 Almost 9 years from my last Lefty. I loved that fork! Fox F32 were like made of butter in comparison
  • 6 0
 two halves equal one single. ;-)
  • 2 0
 @andwrong that’s what I was thinking. Only on my XC bike that mostly collects dust now, but I never had an issue making turns on tight trails.

Also, didn’t Specialized first Enduro have a double crown fork that was Soecialized’s Future Shock branded?
  • 55 0
 As long as the turning radius was adequate and the weight was comparable, I would in a second. Stiffness, no crown creak, and added bonus of being able to service the fork without removing the stem/crowns. Sign me up.
  • 21 0
 I like the idea of being able to replace individual stanchions too
  • 3 2
 What about negative affect on climb-ability?
If the bike can climb well with single or dual crown fork, I would take the dual crown fork.
  • 9 0
 @abzillah: if the crown height is the same, why would it matter?

Also, sure there was the knee-to-upper-crown bashing problem back in the day when people tried this, but bikes are so long that it's really not a big deal either.
  • 10 0
 @abzillah: put a dorado on my nukeproof mega and it climbs just the same you can notice the front is a little heavier. But I didn't mess with the bikes geometry. I went from a 51mm to 50mm offset and the axle to crown height is exactly the same
  • 7 0
 Direct mount stems. Praise Odin.
  • 1 0
 @briain: Awesome. Tell us more about it. How's the descent?
  • 1 0
 @haen: it's brilliant, I did it because I was getting a lot of hand pain from my 36. But it just smoothes out the trail and the steering feels much more direct. My local trails I got personnel bests on my first runs down them and I didn't think I was pushing that hard
  • 1 0
 @haen: also watch the @rulezmansuspension YouTube vid on his Dorado's seriously geeky level of detail but that was the tipping point for me to get Dorados. I picked the Dorados because they were the closest in offset and a2c to what was meant to be on the bike. But also because of the tunability no volume reducers really easy to setup. Overall super happy with this setup
  • 1 0
 @briain: I watch every rulezman video! Can't get enough. Thanks for the response. I'm very tempted to get a dorado if I can find one at the right price
  • 2 0
 @haen: there's a new one on the way if the rumor mill is to be believed. I also have a thought that there's a serious amount of weight savings to be had in dual crowns. Either by machining out the clamps or even by getting rid of the steerer tube and going to a system like intend use. It's something I need to investigate but I'm pretty sure you could get them nearly the same weight as a 38 or similar
  • 1 0
 @briain: even if you keep the steerer tube, you could probably make it out of a lighter material and with less off it as it's not the only component transferring forces to the upper headset bearings.

Heck, even right now the WC boxxers are only 300g heavier than my coil-sprung Helm. And as much as it's not a light fork, I'm not complaining about the weight. I haven't had a DC-forked bike in a couple of years, but man did I love steering them.
  • 1 0
 @big-red: absolutely but if I was to get new crowns made. I'd do both also think there would be less issues by deleting the steerer tube because there pressed in, which is why they creak in some instances. Also look at EXT single crowns they have machined the crown higher so the steerer tube doesn't have any contact at the bottom on the head tube to fix this problem.
www.extremeshox.com/product/ext-era.
I would agree the first ride the directness of steering wasn't noticeable better
  • 1 0
 Was noticeably better. I meant to say
  • 37 5
 Missing option for "I don't have problems with my current setup and can't justify the weight/expense"
  • 33 0
 Specialized is rolling their eyes right now.
  • 4 0
 Exactly! My current bike is a Specialized Enduro that came with Boxxers and a coil shock as standard and my first mountain bike I bought in 1998 was a Specialized FSR which had dual crown forks, and a coil shock. Plus I ran it with just a single front chainring!
  • 3 2
 Wasn't that top spec original Enduro like 26lbs with the dual crown?
  • 10 1
 @DH1977: where does the second Boxxer go?
  • 3 4
 @mtallman2: kenevo?
  • 2 0
 Enduro Evo was a great bike, really enjoyed mine and I feel like some of my newer bikes were steps backwards compared to the Evo.
  • 3 2
 @A-HIGHLY-EDUCATED-PROFESSIONAL: I mean don’t you think your username (and also in all caps) is a bit much? I mean I get what it’s like to be “educated” but I don’t go off and spout it to the world.
  • 42 20
 I don’t think Pinkbike knows what a trail bike is. The question should probably be rephrased as “would you go on a trail ride on 35lb barge with dual crowns?”.

Personally no.
  • 47 9
 Meta AM is around 35 lbs with single crown fork and perfectly pedalable
  • 17 0
 @pakleni: That's the high spec lighter version!
  • 25 2
 I ride my geometron G1 with coil shock strong wheels and heavy tyres for dh, enduro and 25 mile trail rides with 4000ft climbing. It’s 36 pounds. If your suspension is set right, the bike has good platform built in and you got a good engine anything’s possible. I have no want or need for a more trail oriented bike that would be slower and less fun on the descents
  • 16 13
 Dual crown on an e bike would be nice
  • 13 1
 My alu bronson 3 is exactly 35lbs, or almost 16kg. I have no issues whatsoever regarding its weight.
  • 8 0
 @moferenc:
@pakleni:

Same here.

My AL Kona Process 153 is 36-37lbs, and I pedal it everywhere (I have no choice not to, its my only bike). So when I do things like change to heavier/draggier tires, I notice it for a ride or few, then after a while it just becomes the new normal.

And with dual crown forks being pretty close in weight to some of the burly single crowns, I think there is a good chance we'll see this eventually (or at least more testing with it). Especially as people are wanting more travel for enduro racing, and dual crowns can fit a bit more travel into the same axle to crown distance. Seems like an ideal situation.
  • 3 0
 @adamsemmens: I also have a G1 and I can second this. I have a lighter trail bike too and a few mins into pedaling the heavier geometron I don't really notice the difference once I get moving. You just get used to it. I still pick the trail bike if I am going to be doing a significant amount of hard climbing, but otherwise I don't care about the heavier bike.
  • 4 0
 Haha my enduro is 37 pounds with a single crown I don’t need it to be any heagier
  • 4 0
 @jclnv I think you missed the title that had ENDURO bike in it.
  • 2 4
 @Demoguy: I think you missed the edit they made from “trail bike” to “enduro bike”.
  • 3 5
 @adamsemmens: 4000ft isn’t really that much for 25 miles to be fair.
  • 2 0
 @SterlingArcher: That's what I thought. They are describing a beauty ebike.
  • 6 0
 @adamsemmens: Same here. I use my 17,5kg Bird AM9 with coil, Michelin DH tyres, etc etc for everything. It's just mind blowing how capable and reliable it is, you can just keep riding it daily through everything, not having a care in the world.

Not only weight is a far third to geometry and suspension kinematics when climbing, but also most of us are miles away from our fitness ceiling. Thus, most weight gains such as in the tyres can generally be easily accommodated within some weeks of riding
  • 1 0
 @Arierep: haha same I’ve got dh tyres and a coil on my bike and you get used to it but then you jump on something else and it feels like an ebike.
  • 28 7
 Both my enduro bikes have short travel dual crown forks and will never go back to a single crown unless it's for XC. Weight is way overestimated by people thinking there's more advantage on the uphill than there actually is.
Anybody who owes a power meter and does a proper test, will realize that the weight penalty in an hour climb is really only a few seconds difference.
Don't get me wrong, I like my road bikes as light as possible and rarely exceed 7kg (while using reliable components), cause they just feel good and slick but an enduro bike with 2.5 DD/DH Maxxgrip tires will never feel slick even 2kg lighter (tried it), it will just not roll any faster.
Given that it's also a bike made for the down, a dual crown makes a huge difference, really huge and there's basically no downsides on the ups.
  • 10 1
 agree great user name choice BTW
  • 4 0
 define "short travel dual crown forks" please. Genuinely interested.
  • 4 0
 @smokingtires: mrp Bartlett can be ran from 160-190 I believe. Also Ohlins 38 can be dropped all the way to 130. Might be wrong on that one, but I think I remember reading it
  • 3 0
 @smokingtires: Mojo's MORC 36 which is a modified 36, keeps the original lowers and cartridge with adjustable travel and offset. Then there's a Boxxer in 180, which is the same stroke as the original single crown that came with the bike but shorter A2C which means you have to slip the stanchions in the crowns to maintain geometry or eventually add 10mm of travel.
Ohlins is another great option with adjustable travel and different offset crown options which I'm looking forward to try in the near future.
  • 4 1
 I think another consideration about weight is rider fatigue. A lighter bike is truly easier to ride in the sense of less energy spent controlling it, whether headed up or down. That said, the weight difference between a 35 lb single-crown bike and a 36-37 lb dual-crown bike probably wouldn't matter much.
  • 2 1
 There's allot more going on in bike weight than just the climbing weight. Handling and such is pretty important.
  • 1 0
 @ahauck: you can run a dual crown Ohlins down to that short of travel? As if you could throw it 140 if you wanted? No way
  • 1 0
 What is the benefit to the ride of having a dual crown vs single crown if the travel is set at say 160mm? I've never ridden dual crown so might consider it if there was a significant benefit
  • 1 0
 @TobiasHandcock: Only at low speeds. When descending fast, well distributed weight is way less of a problem than thought and most of the times it's an advantage to keep the bike stable and tracking better, of course there's always a fine line between the right amount and too much. You can try this yourself pretty easily by adding sandbags in your frame. 500/700g less or more won't even be noticeable unless you add them high up on the frame.
  • 4 0
 @johnnyboy11000: In a very simplistic way, fork deflection is what causes stinction. DC forks have a much more rigid structure thus they have less stinction.
On the trail they track better, give you more stability and way better braking under chatter, the difference is huge, especially while braking.
Also the direct connection to your bars give you a better feedback on what's going on underneath and they just have a better feeling when pushing hard and allow you to have a bit more margin than with a single crown.
  • 2 0
 @ahauck: You can actually build the Ohlins all the way down to 120.
  • 3 0
 @Tracefunction:
I don't have a XC bike but I think I want one with a 120 ohlins now lol
  • 1 0
 For me, a DC fork's turning radius sucks for any real trail riding. I know this because I have a YT SUEZ that I have had to put into service when the trail bike has been getting shock service.
  • 13 2
 Give us an aluminum frame dual crown coil rig with 511s and dh tires cush cored. Also give us a butler to carry the 50lb turd to the top... Or a an electric motor. Give us a 60 degree head angle and bushings made of admantium. Throw in 42 diameter stanchions with a reach so long i feel like superman!
  • 11 0
 Double crows just look awesome... and they tell me that there is no way in hell I’ll ever ride to their limit so feel free to send it.
  • 12 4
 People don’t ride to the limit of their 15k triathlon bikes yet they feel zero remorse to own one. Somehow lots of travel is a subject to shaming, but things like yuge cassettes or brake rotors aren’t.
  • 3 4
 @wakidesigned: most people dont needs lots of travel and are usually better off with a shorter travel bike. Huge cassettes are good cause it allows for bigger front chainrings while keeping the same gear ratio, which helps with the chainring and cassette wear. though people with eagle and a 28t chainring are something I am down to shame.
  • 6 2
 @Kamiizoo: It depends on who lives where and what sort of riding they do, what are their realities and ambitions. I just think that 38 and Zeb are weightweenie solutions for DC territory. A conservative approach. I just mean... I am not sure there is any point for Freeride bikes to be back when DH bikes can be made climbable with minimal tweaks. As Paul Aston has proven. G1, Canfield One, Pivot Phoenix can easily be made into climbable DH bikes given how good current suspension is
  • 2 0
 Yeah that Yeti with the Marzocci suspension is honestly the best looking bike I have ever seen. It just looks fast and playful and ready to shred.
  • 8 0
 The sudden pivot from AM dual crowns that came on the scene in the late 90s to "magically tapered steerers are just as good" is one of the dumbest moves the bike industry has made. Imagine if the dual-crown bombers, mango Manitous and even dual-crown SIDS were allowed to continue to evolve to today - especially with bigger wheels - we'd be better off.
  • 6 0
 1.5 crowns, DC on the air spring provides better control of both chamber volumes and a lot of potential for increasing the negative volume. If designed from the ground up, not a destroked dh fork, I bet it could be lighter, stiffer and better performing than a 38, and also just as hated as the lefty, haha.
  • 8 0
 Fuck weight penalty. Id go for a dual crown on my enduro every day instead of the creaky ass single crowns. And only upside down forks please.
  • 7 0
 I'm so moist for the new dorado.
  • 6 0
 I designed 2.

ep1.pinkbike.org/p3pb20105632/p3pb20105632.jpg

200/215 travel high pivot dual crown. 63hta, 475mm reach, 80sta 29er. 17kg

Works great and climbs fine.
  • 1 0
 you rock
  • 6 0
 Have had dual crown on quite a few non DH bikes..now if only suspension peeps besides MRP would produce 160-200mm DC forks with 15-110 boost forks
  • 1 0
 front hubs are pretty cheap. ohlins is adjustable down to 140 or 160. Manitou dorado is internally adjustable down to 180. Rockshox makes a 180mm boxxer air spring.
  • 3 0
 @diegosk: Or..just buy the fork and a direct mount stem and install..with zero extra cost of new hub, wheel or wheel build and the pain in ass of having to do all that.
  • 1 0
 @diegosk: 140 on a dual?!
  • 1 0
 @stormracing: perfect for tandems.
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 @stormracing: Ohlins DC fork can even be built to 120mm lol
  • 2 0
 @Tracefunction: that’s just insane! I’d love to see it hahahah
  • 4 0
 Yeah planning on getting a Wreckoning and running a 170 for trail and then getting a 200mm DC for park days just swap out the hub endcaps and you have an almost full fledged DH bike. There just something about the confidence a DC gives you headed down.
  • 2 0
 Had a 180 boxxer I threw on the front of my Insurgent, absolutely brilliant. Wasn’t the best for pedal days but it did ok
  • 3 0
 I answered no because I'm not sure how tight you can turn with dual crown fork. It's been almost a decade since I've used one, and never for climbing. For example, is a climb like Nimby in Pemberton (tight switchbacks) possible with dual crown?
  • 6 0
 I've ridden a newer remedy with the 'knock block' and didn't really notice it at all. I figure that system is basically the same as a dual crown that would limit turning radius as it just prevents the fork crown from hitting the straight downtube. It wasn't the tightest trail in the world but it had some decently tight switches on ascents and I feel like I managed about the same as I did on my older remedy. For dual crown forks with larger fork stanchions it might be a more noticeable reduction in turn radius, but I'm just a guy that rides a bike and doesn't design anything, so I don't know.
  • 6 0
 I still hope Yeti will make an actual downhill bike, the old 303 was a beast!
  • 5 2
 Dual Crown just looks so much cooler and I really like the idea of steering lockouts. Unless you're doing crazy aerial tricks, which most of us are not, than we only need to be able to turn our bars like 60degrees maximum left or right. Most of turning on a bike comes from leaning anyways.
  • 4 0
 I rode my Enduro SL with the stock 150mm to 130mm travel-adjustable dual crown e150 fork just a few days ago. Dual crown and 25mm axle is the secret to stiffness without tapered steerers
  • 2 2
 Yeah but didn't like, 95% of them crack at the dropouts? The 3 people I know who had them had that problem
  • 2 0
 @inked-up-metalhead:
My seatstay did break in 2012 but eBay fixed that right up, been riding it harder than ever the last few years and it’s holding up... for now
But for real that dual crown and 25mm axle must be doing something right because it’s a seriously stiffer feeling from handlebars to the wheel than even my tapered boost-axled Lyrik, the dual crown e150 is structurally a super reliable fork
Now the 13 year old damper inside that fork, that’s another story
  • 2 2
 @fewnofrwgijn: I was talking about the fork. Broken dropouts on them, cracked arches, poor tyre clearance. Known nothing but issues, it's why they only did them for the one or two years before going back to proper brand forks.
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 @inked-up-metalhead: hmm, never had any issue with the fork dropouts, the tire clearance is a valid point but it fits 2.35” and possibly 2.4”, same with the bridge it isn’t very bulky and seems like a weak point but I haven’t had any issues with it. The damper has never been opened but I’ve taken it out and it still has distinctively separate high and low speed compression feels after 13 years, the knobs all still make a difference and the airspring still holds air well. (The seals are garbage and I can’t find new ones for a good price oh my god) it still works even while streaming oil down the legs and needing an oil change every two rides, it still “works” at least, me and my friends call it the zombie fork.
The real problem is actually finding a replacement, a 150mm non-tapered single crown or (more likely) travel-reduced dual crown at a price fit for a 2008 bike is impossible to find
  • 7 0
 Here we go, its 2003 all over again..
  • 5 0
 Manufacturers are looking at this due to a shortage of single crown fork production. But there's excess stocks of dual crowns at the moment in the supply chain.
  • 4 1
 Don't care about weight - my bike is already 37 pounds, but turning radius is a real concern for the tight switchback climbs we get here on the North Shore.

Why not create additional turning angle by offsetting the stanchions forward? The axle is already offset from the fork legs. Imagine if you turned the lowers backwards so that the axle is behind the fork legs, and then used crowns that push the stanchions forward to bring the axle to steering axis offset back to normal.
  • 4 0
 Real talk
  • 2 0
 This is the bike industry you are talking about. Innovation is not allowed to make sense, therefore all logic must be thrown out the window. Remember why boost exists! Exactly, for absolutely zero reason Big Grin
  • 4 0
 Just got my Fox 38 180mm back from warranty for a blown CSU that happened in under 4 months riding. I am looking to sell it off and replace with a Boxxer 180mm for my Enduro 29.
  • 2 0
 I ran that exact setup on my enduro! Fantastic performance, and I was able to climb everything I could with a single crown.. Building something else now, so PM me if you are interested in the fork.
  • 1 0
 My 38 creaked after literally one weekend riding downieville. ZEB is better but not by much.
  • 4 1
 Long live the Lefty! Double the crown and halve the stansions problem solved...oh wait the lefty is dead except for the xc ocho which isn't even double crown... damm you Dorel let the boys at cdale blow the R&D budget and bring them back.
  • 3 0
 Suffering from bars that passed the seat after a crash on a few race srages and struggling to get them back, I'd be glad to have a limiter. If it's making my fork stop creaking - even better.
  • 6 0
 The return of Marzocchi Junior T?
  • 7 0
 Return of Super-T. Both of them. Bet Tyler's skills are still ludicrous.
  • 5 0
 Why did everyone just forget about the Bartlett? My bro has one on a Pivot Firebird and it's sweet.
  • 2 0
 I used to ride my '14 Giant Glory with a 05 Marzocchi 66, because they made the front higher than the dual crowns and they were buttery smooth and I kind of like good suspension feel.
I used to ride a DJ frame with a dual crown as I was starting up in the DH scene though, it was impeccable and so comfortable!
My (I'm 6ft) ideal bike for today would be a something in a size M with 160mm in the back and a dual crown at 180mm or 200mm in the front, just because it feels good and I don't look like I'm riding a Harley when I'm at the trails.
  • 2 0
 I just got the Norco Shore Park and I love it. Threw some Eagle and a dropper on it because the big hits where I live require a pedal. Perfect freeride rig and can get ya where you need to go even if it's a bit of a slug to climb.
  • 4 1
 Terrible poll questions...turning bars all the way around? Obviously it’s not that important. However, many want a bike that has more turning radius than Knock Block or dual crowns offer.
  • 3 0
 I mean why not? The enduro bikes are on 10-20mm off a DH race bikes now anyway. Eventually they will rebrand DH bikes as something enduro sounding and we can ride those where ever we want then...
  • 3 0
 More like 30-40mm, I dont see many 190mm enduro bikes around. A dh bike will always be specifically that, they are no compromise machines There are compromises needed if you want to make a bike pedal. Just we are getting enduro bikes that are getting close to dh bikes now.
  • 2 0
 And the story goes on. Enduro bikes turn into freeride/downhill machines. A „Trail“ bike nowadays is an Enduro with a smaller amount of suspension travel. Oh - and did I mention that year after year those things gain more weight? New Schwalbe tires > 1kg.

Funny thing is - eBikes loose weight year after year. Smaller 2.35 tires become sufficient. Guess in 2025 we will see e-enduros with less weight than standard enduros

So if you need a double crown fork - why can‘t you simply go with a freerider?
  • 1 0
 Doubtful. Battery engineering has nearly plateaued - there just aren’t significant further gains to be made to get more power/kg, and consumers are unlikely to get on board with very tiny batteries that would decrease weight to a perceivable amount. Yes, one can choose lighter and lighter parts, but as we’ve already engineered the crap out of all the other parts on an mtb, it’s unlikely we’ll maintain performance and lose significant weight, so that future eMTB will never be lighter than today’s equivalent MTB.
  • 1 0
 @erikkellison: I totally agree that we wont see ebikes that are lighter than standard Enduro bikes. That makes absolutely no sense. But where are you getting this idea that battery technology has plateaued. Certainly we seem to be reaching the limits of current lion batteries but there is no way batteries aren't many times better in a couple decades.
  • 1 0
 @erikkellison: just look at eMtbs like the Rotwild R.E375 or Orbea Wild. 18-19kg - not a huge difference compared to current trail/enduro bikes.

www.rotwild.com/bikes/bikes/enduro/re375/pro
  • 2 0
 We all know the industry will iterate towards this in a couple of years. Specialized had it years ago but implemented it poorly. Geometry is allowing people to ride faster and people are just plain riding the nuts off bikes these days so enduro will just end up as light dh category. Enduro bikes will pedal moderately well. They'll have Between 170mm and 200mm travel to boot. Running old boxers on an old spesh enduro works fine for me after I took measures to lower the bb. The fork lenght was actually shorter than my marz 66 when in 170mm mode and I think generally the lenght is the thing that strains the head tube. It wont last for ever but it's ok for now and its a cheap old bike that flies...
  • 1 0
 As I mentioned above, I used to ride my 14 Glory with a 05 Marz 66 and the front was about 2.5cm higher than a Fox 40 and I believe about 3cm higher than a Boxxer. That is quite the significant difference, it made everything feel a thousand times better, the reach was a bit shortet buut I like that in a bike. I do not know how the current SC froks are, but a DC does not always automatically mean steeper angles and worse geometry, as there are multiple factors that come into play. A 200mm fork also has a bit more sag to begin with and has a different work stroke so it evens itself out almost. Wink
  • 2 0
 Rock Shox have the opportunity to do a few subtle updates on the original Boxxer, with it 32mm legs, for this DC Enduro concept. I think they'd easily match ( or, indeed be lighter) than the "new" 38mm SCs.

Me? I run 40s and full DH travel, front and rear, as, even in my 7th decade, I'm fairly aggressive in my riding, and I'm ever becoming more 'solid' (Bear The Fat Old B**tard) . Tried some of the "new" 38mm leg SC forks, and had creaking crowns within a couple of weeks, on both the brands I used. And, honestly, expected it to happen. Make them so it couldn't happen, with either / and more clamp engagement / thickness, or, better still, that and Clamping Bolts, and they'd go past even big DH forks in weight, I would suspect.

I also make my frames with Real steer stops, Not rubber bumpers on either the legs or main frame. It's Not hard to do, but it seems near impossible for so many manufacturers........
  • 2 0
 If you're going to risk livelihood and life screaming down the steepest and gnarliest downhills then I see no reason to avoid a triple clamp fork with a proper 20 mm thru-axle. The mechanical advantages are obvious for a few hundred grams of weight.
  • 3 0
 If the companies wanted to make mechanically sound products then we'd all be riding 2006-7 Marzocchi forks with Shimano XT MKI 4 pot brakes and just call it a decade. But no, we had to have boost........ :/
  • 2 0
 Looks like we are finally coming around full circle on a few things in the mtb world. Enduro bikes with a dual crown, how about we just call it what it really is, a freeride bike. We Are One also has the ground breaking idea of a 25mm internal width carbon rim since gravel biking is so popular, funny enough they found it could also be useful for XC tires around 2.25"- weird, so we don't need 30mm rims for everything?
  • 2 0
 I broke my downhill bike last summer but really loved the forks so I threw them on my enduro bike and it made it better, I still never loved my enduro bike, the geometry and rear suspension never worked for me, so this year I bought the new norco shore and put the same dual crown fork DVO emeralds on it and it's incredible, it has great suspension, and a nice slack head angle comparable to my downhill bike, but it has a steeper seat tube angle and lower gear than my enduro bike had. So personally I love dual crown forks on enduro bikes. Enduro being a loose term to describe something that depends well and has capabilities to pedal to the top even if it may take longer than a cross country bike. I dont care a whole lot about weight because I only pedal occasionally and it works fine for flat ground and mild uphill so far haven't done anything steep yet, I only just finished building it, but it does way 42.5 pounds.
  • 5 0
 Its 2021 but ain't no one ready for a dual crown gravel bike
  • 2 0
 My Kona Rove has a tapered headtube. I would do it in a heartbeat. Steel frame, curly bar, dual crown, 650b, grav grav bike packing machine. I could put my 29er on the front and have it be a mullet, too.
  • 3 1
 If I ever get an ebike it'll be a large enduro with dual crown fork. Perfect application for that. For my 140mm trail bike, it's already working pretty well as is with single crown.
  • 1 0
 @DylanH93 I saw just that today at the Kamloops bike ranch. Can’t be sure but I think it was a YT decoy with a DC fork. Looks awesome. The kid half my age riding it was absolutely killing it too.
  • 1 0
 @pcledrew: turning radius with a fat downtube battery would be abysmal, i've thought about putting my fox40 on my metapower..
  • 4 0
 @seb-stott looks like bike manufacturers are getting creative to meet the supply shortage, and testing their ideas on PB
  • 4 0
 Specialized brought this heat back in 2007 - shocking, they even called it the Enduro.
  • 4 0
 2003 SC Heckler with a Bomber Super-T
2004 Specialized Enduro with Manitou DC for the wife

#aheadofthecurve
  • 1 0
 I ran an 888 on my Stinky from about 2007 - 2012. Eventually the lowers developed a hairline crack and then the frame blew apart at the seat tube weld. At that point i found out the stinky’s seat tube wasnt a solid piece from top to bottom, it ends where is welds to the shock mount plate. Many good times and it rode as a “trail bike” just fine and did well in the park too. Relative to its era of course.
  • 1 0
 Yes I’d buy it and I’d buy a DH with a single crown and then swap the fork in the bike so I could have a DH and and Enduro. Why live in the past! Beer the marketers to the punch they tell you that you can have one bike to rule them all to tell you that the only way you can ride and be happy is to have 3. Buy 5 and be done with it!
  • 3 0
 I rode an "enduro" bike with a dual crown fork (Boxxer w/ 180mm travel) for years. It doesn't really make much of a difference on climbs.
  • 1 0
 A: Dual crowns are dope.
B: Treks steer block thing is for grampa dentists bc you can't do barspins
C: Frig it, just put a single crown on your DH bike so you can do barspins
D: Enduro is dumb and everyone who likes things that aren't my personal preference is dumb too
  • 1 0
 After demoing a slayer, the compromise was too great. There is no way I would pedal that for 30 miles and it also wouldn’t be as fun as a full 200mm at the park, even with a dual crown. “Trail bike” and a DH bike with a steep seat tube was the answer for me
  • 1 0
 Never forget that comfort plays a huge role here. A 2005 DH bike is a complete catastrophy compared to a modern "trail" (160mm?) bike.
  • 2 0
 My first proper bike was Specialized Enduro with a 180mm 888 Marzocchi back in 2009. All I really wanted was a downhill bike but could not affort one. But now I guess I was on to something. Hahaha
  • 1 0
 @dick-pound:Apparently a lot of these folks have never ridden a DC, so they "don't get" the benefits. You actually explained it VERY well. Yeah, if ya ride a lot of tight stuff, corners can suck. But if ya generally ride fast/wide open and technical terrain. The general stability and confidence it inspires is definitely worth the trade off. Especially if you shrink down the travel to match the bike, so it's not overly slack.
  • 3 0
 I still have my old RockShox Judy dual crown forks. Let's see how this works.
  • 4 0
 Never had anything but that setup Since 2004
  • 6 1
 I’m sorry
  • 4 0
 Done right yeah id rock a dual crown on a aggressive trail bike...
  • 2 1
 Don't really like the idea of a bike with a beer belly for dh..... So maybe not all enduro bikes.

Not an enduro pro, but I don't understand needing/wanting a dual crown for that.
  • 2 0
 i would maybe use a dual crown on my enduro bike for the bikepark if i didnt have to also change the front wheel to fit the 20mm axle...
  • 4 4
 Why, because they look cool and you can sit at the top of the hill saying " I'm just waiting for the right wind before sending the gap" to all the 12 year olds while wearing your Troy Lee kit and perched on your Santa Cruz looking cool.

Who cares how they ride, I'll be the coolest middle aged fat bloke on the planet!
  • 3 0
 I rode my monster Ts on a K2 Flying monkey at the local DH and XC races. Ride whatever you can and whatever you can afford
  • 1 0
 I have a transition patrol and I really want a dual crown for it cause my lyrik makes all sorts of terrible noises and I cant afford a 38 or a zeb for my 250 pound dry weight.
  • 1 0
 I'm surprised and at the same time not surprised by the results of the survey. A little bit heavier but with better performance pretty much sums up the decisions that have been made on most parts of enduro bikes.
  • 2 2
 No, for other reasons:
- Fox 38, RockShox ZEB - anyone?
- A dual-crown fork limits the angle you can turn your wheel to a degree that can sabotage your bike handling in tight/technical climbs. Part of it being an "enduro" bike requires that it needs to be a bike you can ride up trails, not just down them.
- It would be a pain in the ass to transport (I usually just pull off the front wheel and lay my bike down in the back of my car).
- It would never be as light as a comparable single-crown fork.

Specialized attempted this sort of thing with the Enduro SL back in 2007/2008 and it was a shit bike (the fork being one of several issues).
  • 1 0
 There are a couple ways to get around the turning angle - how much would you say is the very least turning angle needed on a Enduro MTB? There are also ways to reduce the weight - remember, it's an endure bike - weight will automatically be saved as it will be 2-3'' shorter... =] (3 inches shorter - I'm a weight weenie... =P)
  • 4 0
 Just 6 months ago everyone on here was talking about Fox 38 and ZEB being the best thing in the world. No it's all bitching about creaking forks and out riding single crown forks. Pinkbike, I tell ya.
  • 4 0
 I really tried to like my 38’s, but I couldn’t in the end. I had to send them off for warranty after they started creaking and threw the dorado on my longer travel bike. When they came back I sold them and am still enjoying my dorado to this day.
  • 3 0
 Boxxer with its smaller stanchions is perfect for this. Probably what I will do on my next bike.
  • 2 0
 @DHhack I've seen this a lot since they started making Boxxers with air springs, over a decade ago. I've seen Boxxers shortened and installed on a bunch of 160,165,170mm "enduro" bikes over the years. We used to call them "peddlable park bikes"
  • 2 0
 Answer one is a bit mocking. No I don't want to actually turn my bars all the way around. Yes I want to turn my bars more than on a downhill bike or a Trek.
  • 1 0
 My San Andreas had steerer stop under the frame (if you didn't want it you could unbolt it) and I was riding an upside down 165mm fork 20 years before no... So what's the new trend???
  • 2 0
 Been there, done that. I had the original double crown Enduro. The 2008 Enduro came with a factory Specialized double crown fork.
  • 2 0
 Very underappreciated bike for it's time. If it would have actually been RS or Fox suspension it would've been a fantastic bike. But the in house Specialized suspension sucked! LOL
  • 2 0
 @tmwjr777: It was a great bike. The fork was at least torsionally very stiff, even if dampening could have been better.
  • 3 0
 So, Pinkbike, how about a test RS lyrik ultimate vs zeb vs boxxer? All are available with 180 mm of travel
  • 2 0
 Enduromag did the zeb vs lyrik on 170mm and they preferred lyrik.
  • 6 3
 Makes you wonder why they’re not putting them on ebikes
  • 1 0
 Seen a few round my way, an its flat as a pancake (flap jack?)
  • 4 2
 the Specialized Kenevo has one at 180mm F/R and it apparently is a riot
  • 3 0
 Specialized has been for years Haibike too. What rock do you live under?
  • 4 4
 Intense tazer mx, cannondale moterra neo, spesh kenevo expert, my mates kona remote, they do exist but definitely should be more commonplace, I just don't understand why they reduce them to 180mm, if I have the weight penalty I want all the travel.
  • 3 0
 Headline says trail bike
Poll says enduhro bike
?
  • 2 0
 I'd be happy to sacrifice a little weight. As long as it could make tight climb switchbacks.
  • 2 0
 Anyone else ponder how to answer that might help the price of dual crown forks to come down? Forget how u alctally feel. . .
  • 2 0
 I answered this even though I know I dont send it hard enough to need a dual crown fork Smile
  • 1 0
 This article has intrigued me. I’ll be right back, just going to throw my Shiver on my enduro to see how it rides. I imagine it will be great!
  • 1 0
 I had a Boxxer Ride on my bike about 15 years ago. I was considering lowering a 40 for my Enduro last year, but then heard about the upcoming Fox 38 and went with that.
  • 3 0
 Where is the 1.5 crowns (Intend) option???
  • 2 1
 Does a dual crown actually put more stress on the headtube as a single crown? (because some enduro bikes are certified for it, some not i recognised)
  • 3 0
 I think the bigger concern of frame damage is actually having the stanchions/bumpers put a dent/hole in your headtube when turning hard, rather than snapping anything off from riding force
  • 1 0
 The enduro category is the most versatile in my eyes and double crown forks would be a problem for some slow but technical European trails.
  • 3 0
 I wanna hear more about the morc 36. Looks killer.
  • 2 3
 Don't think dual crowns would be a necessity if the industry could agree to increase steerer tube diameters. 180mm travel or more on a 29-er single crown fork is likely getting a little dodgy. (I'm basing this on the Vorsprung video about the Fox 38.) I know nobody wants a new standard but maybe the 1.8in tapered steerer might not be a bad idea?

(Disclaimer: Front suspension is complicated and I'm probably wrong.)
  • 1 0
 I would definately have one, and called it freeride. For the avarage rider, an enduro bike with DC fork is the ultimate park and fun bike.
  • 2 0
 Bike setup: 2009 Specialized bighit; 200mm travel Zocchi 888; 190mm DNM burner shock; 26in wheels; climbs like a dream lol
  • 3 1
 Where’s the option: “naw I’m good, I have a DH bike and an enduro bike”
  • 1 0
 Not all of us are so lucky to be able to afford multiple bikes. But we still ride "big boy" terrain. So, ya build ONE bike to suit YOUR needs. Jus sayin. Smile
  • 1 0
 (Unless I myself design it - very light - or if I find one I approve of - LIGHT) I would not buy a dual crown fork... >.> (My current X-Fusion Sweep being 1905g... =P)
  • 3 1
 Duel crown Enduro = DH bike
Gravel bike = XC hardtail
As I get older, I see the regurgitation of bike category.
  • 2 0
 Ha, my question from a few months ago has come back again! Kazimer shot it down...
  • 1 0
 Having watched all the downhill boys struggle on the switchbacks on my local trails this weekend i'll never have a dual crown fork on my enduro rig!
  • 1 0
 So wait, when we were running Totems, all of a sudden they were overkill!!! and now its cool to run DC on an Enduro bike??? Really???
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 It's just simply not necessary for my riding and trails. I'm not sending 20' doubles... Otherwise maybe.
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 Industy is planing a new evil standart?
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 In the 90s we adapted all mountain bikes to use for downhill, now history repeats itself.
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 *Trek Knock Block has entered the chat*
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 Where's the option for "No, I own a downhill bike for that."
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 So you are telling me that in 10 years, all we have managed to do is take 30-40mm of travel off of a downhill bike, stick 27.5's and a 12sp on there and called it a day?
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 Pretty keen to throw some DC on my Nomad.
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 I wouldn't, but mainly because I don't want 200 mm of travel in the front on an enduro bike. That length of travel is best for dedicated DH rigs, IMO.
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 Dual crown is the obvious choice for any fork.
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 I have a dual crown, that i throw out when the situation presents itself.But 95% of the time i'm on my single 180mm.
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 What does a knock block do? none of my bikes are new enough to have one and I am not sure what it is.
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 How about a "Yes, then I will ride it in the bikepark like it is 2006 and that's what I do with 170mm travel bikes"
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 Perhaps, another option for no. Example, “No, don’t have this issue.”
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 I wanna say you would be sacrificing your bike climbing ability with the dual crown?
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 Alternatively, put a long travel dropper and wide range cassette on a Dh bike.
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 I've currently got a SB165 and a brand new boxxer sitting around waiting for bike park season...
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 No because my downhill bike has a dual crown fork therefore I run a single crown on my Enduro bike
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 So 65 degree head angles, 170mm rear travel and dual crown forks, what is an enduro bike and what is a dh bike these days?
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 Doesn't the 38 and Zeb make this moot?
How much stiffness and travel does an Enduro bike need?
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 At Structure Cycleworks we know this is a trick question! Our SCW1 enduro only comes with dual-crown forks.
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 My Specialized Enduro FSR Expert was amazing with 180mm boxxers, but changed to single crown to do barspins.
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 Ok this is a little creepy...Me and my best friend were just talking about this exact topic.
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 Maybe I should throw a single crown on my dh
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 Fox36 on an Intense M9 -Holy shit that was fun
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 Hell yes I’d ride one. I need all the help I can get in a race!
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 Someone needs to make a downduro bike. I will gladly buy it.
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 I can’t even ride my single crown to it’s limits...
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 This is the right topic for doublecrownaddict
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 Trophy Truck. Put some low profile tires on it.
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 Yes yes yes especial if an enduro specific dual crown comes to market
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 Does the Intend Bandit count as dual crown?
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 Totally want to build a Dreadnought with a Boxxer
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 As long as it still climbs like an enduro bike should.
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 One of the main reasons I chose my lefty fork was the dual crown set up
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 lol no weight penalty, sure
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 If it doesn’t void my warranty
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 Where is the infamous dualcrownaddict when you need him?
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 FFS Pinkbike.
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 Just wait for the new axle standard this will require.
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 Wheres the option for no i have a single crown trail bike and a dh rig?
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 People with lefties we have what your looking for.
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 There should be "I'm not riding that hard" option to pick
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 Absolutely not, thanks.
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 Sell a giga or spesh enduro with a dc and take my money!!
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 I wouldn't buy an enduro bike..
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 *Paul Aston has entered the chat.
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 All proper enduro bikes should be rated for a dc..like the capra.
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 I wouldn't run one only because of the turning radius. Otherwise, yes.
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 Back in the day we used to regularly do this hideous local climb with endless tight hairpin turns, on dual crown bikes, never a problem with turning radius. I honestly think it's a fallacy. Actually was nice being able to lock the bars, gave you something to counter balance against so you could just focus on getting the power down. Did that stupid winch up climb in later years on a single crown too, lots of tuck under and fighting with the bars to hold a stable line.
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 Would I buy one? I had one 2 decades ago. And I also weigh 60kg, so probably not.
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 How about a 100mm dual crown...
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 No
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 I thought April fools was over...
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 Ultimate bike park rig
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 Yes, duh...
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