Pinkbike Poll: Would You Rather...? Quick-Fire Edition

Mar 13, 2020
by Dan Roberts  



This week we're interested in some quick-fire polls. Less room for multiple choice and more absolute. Here's the rapid fire edition of Would You Rather...? all centered around bike tech.


Internal or external cable routing?
Do you like your cables on the outside and easy to service, or on the inside and requiring more work and occasionally a right pain?



Threaded or press fit BB?
Do you prefer using a BB spanner to thread your cups in or, in the absence of a bearing press, a hammer to smash them in?



Climb switch or efficient pedalling suspension system?
Would you rather be reaching down for the little climb switch to make your bike pedal well, or have efficiency built into the suspension system?




Mineral oil or DOT fluid in your brakes?
What do you prefer getting all over your hands, workshop floor, and maybe even the dog?



Suspension pivot bearings or bushings?
Lightweight bushings or cartridge bearings with balls and grease?



Room for a water bottle or a wild suspension design?
Do you prefer having a water bottle inside the front triangle, or would you forgo it for a wilder suspension design?



Drop dead gorgeous looks that last a month of riding, or a dog’s dinner that outlasts seasons of abuse?
A bike that you can't take your eyes off but that sounds like a bag of spanners and is due a full service after only a month, or something not as aesthetically pleasing but that will hold up to abuse with no need to even show it a tool?



Integrated cockpits or adjustability?
Futuristic looking integrated bar and stem combos that can drop weight, or a more standard split between your bars and stem for some ability to adjust?



A fully electric bike that thinks and does everything for you or a mechanical bike that you have control over?
Automation beyond belief that controls suspension, drivetrain, seat post and any other gadgets paired with the bike, or a mechanical system that has levers, buttons and switches but that you have control over?

Would You Rather: A fully electric and automated bike that controls everything for you or a fully mechanical bike that you have control over?




Adjustable geometry or one fixed setting?
The ability to adjust your bikes geometry to suit the terrain, conditions and generally how you feel on that day, or one fixed setting for every eventuality?




Super progressive leverage ratios or flat as a pan linear?
Mega suspension leverage ratio progression, we're talking over 40% and high starting leverage ratios, or completely flat and as linear as it comes?



Zero pedal kickback and a really slow to engage hub or instant engagement and pedal kickback all over the place?
No chance of the dreaded pedal kickback ever ruining your day but a real damn slow to engage hub, or instant engagement but pedal kickback happening left right and center?




DH bike with a single crown or an enduro bike with a dual crown?
A full-on DH bike but with a long travel single crown up front, or a modern enduro bike with a dual crown taking the duties?




Clean looking hidden pivot hardware that needs octopus hands to work on or easy to access and work on visible hardware?
No hardware visible from the exterior of the bike and clean uninterrupted frame surfaces but you need 6 pairs of hands and 3 degrees to work on your bike, or easy to access hardware that's easy to work on but you can see it?

Would You Rather: Clean looking hidden hardware that needs octopus hands to work on or easy to access and work on visible hardware?



Got your own "Would you rather?" related to bike tech? Let's hear about it.

Easy to work on bikes with more visible bits and pieces, or something smoother and cleaner that's trickier to work on?



326 Comments

  • 667 8
 Who are the animals that voted for press-fit bottom brackets??
  • 181 3
 Must be that virus everyone is talking about.
  • 39 91
flag stiingya (Mar 13, 2020 at 14:32) (Below Threshold)
 Must be frame designers/engineers trying to make frames do everything we want and not weight a ton... Dam them! Smile
  • 69 42
 It‘s me! Had more problems in the past with worn out threads than with noisy press fit bearings.
  • 31 6
 @stiingya. It's already been proven they can do everything they need to do with the threaded bottom bracket...all the need to do is increase diameter. If they need larger bottom bracket diameters, there are several versions out there that have been proposed with threads. Threads are very little weight. It's 100% about $$$
  • 7 0
 Was *just* going to ask the same in less flattering terms
  • 4 0
 Not me. I actually have one.
  • 14 12
 I get roughly the same life out of either, of course I also remove the seal and add grease on occasion. Press fit means I don’t need to chase and face or deal with grease or ant-iseize during install or replacement.
  • 21 9
 I had threaded cups for a few years racing in Nor Cal. I went through a set of bearings every 6 weeks. When i switched to press fit a set lasted a whole season. Riding Pivot frames I've never had an issue with creaking or anything else with a press fit.
  • 11 1
 Bman33 I was one of those animals had them on both of my bikes no maintenance on them for 2 years works a treat so far as long as they are installed properly there’s no problems
  • 7 4
 I prefer press-fit on carbon frames. And it's okay on metal frames.
  • 12 12
 Me. I fuckin love it.
  • 7 0
 I've actually had really good results with my press fit and it's over 4 years! I do prefer threaded in general though....
  • 12 0
 Why must we choose between a gorgeous looking bike that lasts a short time or an ugly one that lasts forever? There are plenty of gorgeous bikes out there that last!!
  • 21 1
 I'll admit I voted for them, I personally havent had any issues with them and believe the dramas havent been due to the design principle, more the execution ny various brands, with poor tolerances, ovalised bb shells from welding distortion etc. A threaded in bb still has a pressed in bearing, all cartridge bearings are pressed in, some frame makers are just lazy with poor tolerances and have given the idea a bad rep
  • 5 1
 @bman33: threads actually have a lot of weight if we're talking about a carbon frame because you need a metal insert, I prefer pressfit for carbon.
  • 2 3
 us yeti owners with xo1
  • 1 0
 @hmstuna: define a lot. My wager is the quarter of a pound or less.

@ctd07 kudos for the honesty.
  • 2 1
 Once tooled it's just bearings that don't like water in both cases.
  • 17 20
 The same asshats who picked up a water bottle over good suspension.
  • 21 2
 @southoftheborder: the choice was “wild suspension design”, not good suspension.
  • 5 3
 @Eatsdirt: how do you characterize "wild"?
  • 21 1
 I was one of the press fit voters. I figure, if press fit is good enough for my headset, hub bearings, brake pistons, suspension bearings, etc, etc, then it's darn well good enough for my BB!
  • 2 0
 @rcybak: even though I prefer threaded I gotta give this a thumbs up.
  • 5 3
 Probably same ones that voted for a " Fully electronic and automated bike that does everything for you "
  • 6 6
 By animals you meant Morons, right?
  • 9 9
 @Mathullah: are you regarded, grease the mofos and they’ll last forever!

Not to mention, who the rich removes the bb cups more than once a year?

Maybe buy a new bike every decade too, that’d make a difference.

f*cking press bb’s suck donkey dick
  • 3 0
 All the other frame bearings are press fit and I've had to re-thread too many brand new cheap frames in my life to really be sold on threaded BBs. There are downsides to both but I don't need proprietary tools to change a press fit which is nice.
  • 3 2
 People that don't work on their bike and take it back to the shop every time it creaks expecting expedited and free service as a courtesy.
  • 8 3
 I voted for PF; it works great when produced properly. See Hambini's videos.
  • 24 16
 I did! So I'll go with my reasons, which I'm sure many disagree with on nearly-religious basis:

I have PF and threaded. As long as the frame is well made the PF BB are easier, faster and cheaper to service (and also lighter but thats not a huge difference).

In a threaded BB you need:
- to unscrew, which requires a special tool per bb brand
- to clean the threads, which if you had issues can take forever
- to extract the bearings from the cups which requires special tooling, or buy brand new cups
- to insert the new bearing
- to screw things back in (most likely not at the right torque because most don't have the right tool *and* something to mount it on a torque wrench

In a PF BB you need:
- to pop out the BB with a tool that is universal
- swap the bearings (no extractor needed, no need to replace the cups.. thought these cost nothing because no thread)
- push the cups back in - don't even need tool/bearing press, you can gently hammer it in if you want


I've also met countless people that think the BB is their creaking issue while it's the crankset/seatpost/pedals/etc. Some do but it's rare (and when they do because your frame wasn't well made, you can press in a one piece aluminum threaded BB - but i've not seen that in a long time now)

At the end of the day i don't care which one it is too much, but the PF is just nicer.
  • 4 0
 Y’all don’t remember ISIS or square taper do you. I bet your favorite LBS still has a gallon of anti-seize from 20 years ago when all bikes were threaded (except a few GARY fishers I think?). Yes, outboard bearings changed that, but I still “press fit” bearings into the cups!
  • 2 0
 @Tonedelove: I’ve still got a bike with square taper.... when the bike was first built Mongoose only used grease on the threads of one side. Glad I removed the bb to figure out which one it was!
  • 8 0
 Me How come nobody moans that H'sets are press fit....... now apply the same tolerances to BB's
  • 1 0
 @bman33: I would consider a quarter pound a lot. As long as tolerances are up to snuff, there isn't any downside to one.
  • 2 0
 @nojzilla: I've never destroyed a headset, I go through one BB a season though. Apples and oranges, they are not taking the same stress.
  • 5 0
 aparently well made press fit bb is better than treded in terms of engineering ...
  • 4 0
 @RonSauce: agreed, BB's go through a LOT more revs in an area of the bike that gets caked in mud an water but, a lower H'set takes a lot of stress (hence 1.5). BMX went through a big BB debate early 2000's an they got togeather to agree on one size an tolerances. If BMX can do it than so can MTB. And as mentioned above threaded BB's are still press fit brearings in the cup.......
  • 1 1
 @andres611: That question was moronic. The relevant choice is mechanically actuated or wireless. The only reason for wireless is (great) looks and better control (yet to be established). No one wants to "give up control."
  • 1 0
 Right hear ????
  • 7 2
 Me. Pressed in bearings are everywhere. Yoyur car has loads of them, its wheels spin on them. The rear suspension on your bike most certainly does at well. Press fit bearing is about getting tolerances right, and that's the problem here: the bike industry is a joke and many if not most of the frames out there are rubbish.
  • 5 0
 @Vindiu: hambini fan too ? Wink
  • 1 0
 I don't vote for PF over threaded. However, I haven't had any problems with noisy PF or installation issues. Once I got the specific PF tool, it makes easy work of removing and installing PF BBs.
  • 3 0
 @bankz: " you can gently hammer it in if you want" . Insert "that`s what she said" comments below !
  • 8 1
 @bankz: I don’t think you’ve ever actually worked on a bike. Like in 40 Year Old Virgin where he says that boobs felt like sand.
  • 2 0
 I've had both and they work equally OK as long as you stick with Shimano and Sram. Other brands have not yet figured out the magic to make a quiet and functional pressfit for whatever reason. Bearing press is a lot more expensive than threaded bb tool, but they last forever and you'll need the same tool for installing headsets anyway.
  • 1 0
 those that never had to install one
  • 7 1
 Who are the animals who work on BBs without tools? That's why most people say press fit is hard to work on...because they don't have the tool. It would also be pretty freaking hard to work on a threaded bottom bracket without any tools. Ask any good mechanic at a bike shop and they will tell you that replacing a BB86 BB is no big deal, it's actually really easy.

I've had press fit in my: Pivot 5.7c, Intense Sniper, Giant Defy, Pivot Mach 6
I've had threaded in my: Santa Cruz BLT, Ibis Ripmo, Santa Cruz Nomad

I've replaced 1 of my press fit bottom brackets ever--in my 5.7c after about 3 years of riding in SoCal.
I've replaced my threaded bottom brackets every 3-4 months in every threaded bike I've had. I've tried ceramic, I've tried steel, I've tried Shimano, Sram, BB Infinite. All of them get creaky or crunchy way too soon. I have no idea why.

To me they are both very easy to service if you have the tool. Pressing in a press fit bottom bracket with the proper tool is actually really satisfying. It's so smooth and perfect! Press fit looks better, is lighter and stiffer too.

But I get that a lot of bikes are built with awful tolerances and it's never going to work well if the frame isn't made well. People are just blaming the wrong thing. Blame the brand for making a crap frame. Don't blame press fit. Your bearings are still press fit into your threaded BB...the main advantage of threaded is it is better at dealing with a frame with poor tolerances.
  • 3 0
 People who actually ride their bikes and don´t only read PB comments.
  • 1 0
 I have to be honest, I have built my Following and no problem with installation of Shimano press fit bottom bracket, now after for years no squeaking at all. Probably zero trouble also with threaded BB, but it's not a thing that bring me to say if a bike it's good or not.
  • 9 1
 HELLOOO, HAMBINI FANS!!!
  • 4 1
 @litany: "Pressing in a press fit bottom bracket with the proper tool is actually really satisfying. It's so smooth and perfect! Press fit looks better, is lighter and stiffer too." Sigmund Freud most be proud !
  • 2 0
 @emg09: #justdentistthings
  • 5 0
 I ride a bike with press fit and I voted threaded.
  • 3 2
 @DHhack: you haven't had to face a threaded BB since the 80's and chasing just means you f*cked up and cross threaded it. lol
  • 2 0
 @Tonedelove: can confirm, have one of the gary fishers as commuter (late 80s full rigid steel). New bearings are ez, buy some industrial deep groove bearings. Finding a new spindle is an issue though lmao
  • 1 0
 @DHhack You're lucky then. Plenty of press fit frames could do with reaming and facing. PF41/86 will eat bearings quickly if the bore is undersized. Same for any cartridge bottom bracket really.
  • 1 0
 @nojzilla: If the bike is mass produced, it either uses external cups or drop-in bearings, both of which are mostly immune to head tube bore issues. It's all about execution or proper finishing during assembly.
  • 2 1
 ####pressfit gang
  • 1 0
 @conoat: you certainly don’t have to check a new frame if you don’t want to...
  • 1 0
 @seitenryu: I guess so
  • 2 0
 @southoftheborder: That Polygon/Marin Naild hideous design would probably be considered wild. If you're telling me it's good, I'll take your word for it while taking a sip from my water bottle.
  • 1 0
 Industry shills from trek, pivot, Kona, etc (at least spec has seen the error of their ways and reverted back).
  • 1 0
 @Eatsdirt: I'd characterize as wild a suspension system which performs well without too much help from the shock. Take the current crop of high pivot/idler pulley frames as an example, or the newer Santa Cruz VPP incarnation.
  • 1 0
 @pixord: Not just a hambini watcher myself, I buy NTN bearings for my bbs.
  • 1 0
 TT length's for 500 Alex.
  • 1 0
 My last two bike have press-fit and I had zero issues. However, threaded bbs seem more sensible. Plus, I don't have the tools to fit and remove a press-fit bb and I like to do my own maintenance, so I voted for threaded, but I wouldn't pick a bike based on which it had.
  • 1 0
 only benefit of PF is that you only need one tool. I have a Shimano, Raceface 30mm and a Hope Tool to install those threaded ones
  • 2 0
 Me but i had no idea of the reality of this.
Ive heard its hard to set up correctly. The kind of thing i work in Shops.

took the wrong guess aparrently

i hate not finding new replacemet bearing for a BB95, And the ones availbale in internet are starting in 130 Euro? Seems crazy to me. Maybe its the current prices que are facing. The industry has gone mad.
  • 1 0
 @rcybak: until it starts creaking...
  • 3 2
 And who are the usless cucks who put pivot bearings, Must have never handled one thats been used for a month and realize that ball bearings that only rotate a few degrees move the grease out of the way and dig potholes in the races.
  • 2 1
 @englertracing: You definitely have a point. Problem is in MTB it has been bearings vs polymer bushings which are not always ideal for this application, especially not if sealing is poor and the diametre is too low (which is 95 % of the cases on MTB's). Again, proof of this industry being a joke.
  • 143 3
 Ride the Grim Donut on a green trail, or ride an xc hardtail on a black trail?
  • 77 0
 For all we know, green trails could be all the Grim Donut can handle!
  • 19 2
 Grim Donut or Glazed Donut.
  • 6 0
 @JC47:
Glazed
  • 26 0
 Definitely hardtails for hard trails.
  • 48 8
 Am I the only one sick of hearing about that stupid contraption?
  • 3 0
 @reindeln: totally underrated comment.
  • 11 0
 @Dethphist: no sir....you are not alone.
  • 1 1
 Is it an imba approved black trail???
  • 3 0
 @alexisfire: if it is imba approved, it is not black.
  • 1 1
 @JC47: Grim, of course. Who wouldn't want to have that bike to rip?
  • 125 0
 People want easy to work on pivots but internal routing ????
  • 40 12
 How often do you change brake housing vs greasing pivots?
  • 3 1
 @Austink: I didn't do either yet. No need.
e: Oh just remembered that I installed a new brake on a bike with internal routing. Might aswell count that. Yeah, was a bit of a hassle, but I had to shorten it anyway...
  • 23 1
 It's the limited information that gets you; internal tube within tube routing with good endcaps that hold and keep the cables quiet while allowing you various options for sizes of cables/brake routing... sure.

But just holes in your frame with half ass rubber grommets, crazy frame constraints and angles to blindly smoosh cable through and in the end have lots of noise, internal cable wear because the endcaps suck/don't hold well or the internal structure is rough and endcaps that restrict what cables can go where unless you just through out their proprietary endcaps and use duct tape... NO!
  • 1 0
 I could take or leave internal or external TBH. I also have a magnet routing kit so I sorta don't have to care.
  • 10 1
 @TheJD: internal is awesome if you got a brand where its internally guided too, push the housing in one side and out pops the housing on the other side! love it so much i dont understand why all companies dont do it
  • 6 0
 Because brake standards haven't changed much over the past decade (it was typically PM for most of the companies and the older Boxxer mount was gone) so I can imagine most people already have an old good hydraulic disc brake kicking around. When going on trips I actually bring the old brake along, filled and bled. If something goes wrong with the brake on my bike I can pick up the old one and swap the complete brakes out. Eventually I never had to do that so maybe this provision doesn't count for much but I do hear others often complain about wandering bite points and such. Being able to not bother with bleeding etc during your ride time is nice, so that you can do that in the evening.

That was the one advantage I could think of pro external cable routing. That said, don't quite see where internal cable routing would be an advantage for me personally. To each their own of course.
  • 4 0
 @Austink: I think N.S. do it best, all the cables run down an external channel on the down tube so it still looks clean but it’s also very easy to work on
  • 13 2
 People who want internal routing only think they regularly work on bikes.
  • 12 5
 @MikerJ: true that. Anyone who actually works on their own bike curses internal routing because:

They are a pita to set up
The lines can pinch the cables
They make it harder to swap out parts
They are simply unnecessary unless you’re a dentist.
  • 3 0
 I never change my hoses. i change my pivots.
  • 6 1
 @nurseben: Oh come on.
I have internal routing on my Demo, external on my RB. There's no hassle with either. The Demo has it done as it should be, you stick it in on one end and it comes out on the other. No magnets or fiddling needed.
I also happen to be a mechanic and work with internal routing on a regular basis. The Park Tool kit makes the job a breeze, and honestly it hardly takes more time than splitting and installing new zip ties or guides on external routing.
  • 1 0
 Brexit logic innit.
  • 1 0
 @bankz: This calls for internal cables and external pivots.
  • 3 0
 @flyguyty: Internally guided is the worst. There's no versatility. I like all my cables to enter the frame on the opposite side from the bar mount. This allows me to shrink tube them together and my cockpit is super clean with no rattles.
  • 2 0
 @flyguyty: sure you do......$$$$$$$$
  • 87 2
 We should be getting some kind of discount code for providing PB with all this data to sell to bike manufacturers! Big Grin
  • 16 9
 Discount on what? Did you pay to be on PB?
  • 29 1
 The discount we get is "Pinkbike for free".
  • 1 3
 @darrentheclaw: what I meannis, when you don‘t pay a discount aint possible
  • 2 0
 Do the manufacturers need to pay to look at the results? We're just giving them free info
  • 1 1
 Or we should just be thankful/hopeful that this is an avenue we can give feedback to the industry though and to hopefully get changes we actually want to see in future bikes.
  • 54 6
 EXTERNAL BRAKE ROUTING ALWAYS! Santa Cruz and Transition (I'm sure others too) get this right. Internal dropper and shifter...could care less either way.
  • 17 15
 When you install new brakes you'll probably have to cut the hoses down then bleed them anyway, might as well use internal routing.
  • 33 0
 Hate to break it to you but SC bikes are internally routed now.
  • 14 1
 @jeremy3220: lots of manufacturers go for the moron option of internal EXCEPT external under the bottom bracket right in the line of rock strikes. Worse of all worlds. For me the only sensible routing options are external on top of the down tube and either on top of or internal down the chain stays.
  • 7 2
 I feel like internal dropper is rad and not too much of an issue, but brake and shift need to be outside for sure.
  • 8 0
 @Austink: internal AND guided. so easy to route!! hate those companies that make you go fishing for an hour just to get that dame hose/cable out the exit hole...
  • 3 0
 @flyguyty: internal and guided but not moto style friendly
  • 1 0
 santacruz new bikes are now fully internally routed btw. And it's actually a bit harder to install than before because the 4rd cable does not have an inner channel for some reason (the others 3 do!), but it's mostly a one time thing so meh..
  • 1 0
 The way I see it, once the hose is routed in the frame, I probably won't have to touch it until either: 1. I replace the brake with an entirely new unit or 2. Damage the hose. Almost never need to remove or install the hose for basic maintenance. Route that internally. The derailleur cable and housing however, I'm replacing that stuff constantly. If I were to have one routed externally, it'd be the shift cable and housing. But you know, that makes too much sense and we can't have that.
  • 1 0
 I've found external cabling to be more noisy than internal cabling. Internal cabling takes more time, but once you figure out some tricks, it isn't too bad. Also, the bike is easier to clean and looks better.
  • 1 2
 @vhdh666: only psychos run moto style. yes. I am calling all of AUS and most of EUR psychos. lol
  • 1 0
 @Austink: it was a fuggin nightmare trying to run an internal brake line through the new hightower rear triangle. No internal tubes for easy routing, small holes, and curves to get around. Sucks, SC blew it
  • 1 0
 @StevieJB: This. Got a brand new blizzard. Routing has no guides and the rear brake and shifter line pop out and go under the bottom bracket. Gonna have to cut up a tire or Gatorade bottle to slap on there. All it's gonna need is one angry twig (har, har, angry twig) to cause bedlam down there.
  • 39 6
 You being huge and her being loose, or you being tiny and her being very tight.
  • 60 3
 Her being loose but regardless I will respect your Mum.
  • 7 2
 @Ryanfitz81: we're gonna need a surgeon for that burn
  • 2 3
 @Ryanfitz81: and I love his mum
  • 7 1
 Are you talking about wheel size and tight vs loose turns?
  • 1 3
 @Ryanfitz81: dude you just made me truly LOL. The was mum joke gold.
  • 2 2
 Of course reality ends up you being fast her being loose regardless of size.
  • 2 2
 @Ryanfitz81: Boom. Roasted.
  • 35 3
 Would you rather: wait to be taken out by the Corona Virus or Finally find out what happened to the Grim Donut?
  • 30 1
 Continue to look at the same 'frackin' Excel spreadsheet for work on Friday afternoon or respond to Pinkbike clickbait like a chimp going after the banana?
  • 2 1
 Kinda more like the monkeys at the Lincoln Park zoo....they smile. They swing. They play and look cute.......get close? They shit in their hands, masturbate and throw it all at you.....
  • 23 1
 I'm sorry but every bike I've tried with a "super efficient pedaling platform" (like 3, I don't test that many bikes) have had more pedal kickback than those that don't... I ended up going for one that "isn't as effecient" and I just pedal smoothly, occasionally flip the switch, and appreciate the increased traction!
  • 26 1
 If you could choose between a custom bike of your choice or ending the pandemic, are you going 27.5 or 29?
  • 4 0
 26
  • 2 0
 I'm thinking 20
  • 25 5
 Internal cabling?? Really?? I guess most of you don't work on your own bikes.....
  • 21 2
 Internal cabling comes in different levels though. Bikes that have full length guides inside the frame are pretty easy.
  • 11 1
 Santa Cruz internal cable routing is easier than any other system ever devised. Push cable into hole, cable comes out other end of hole like magic, zero effort needed. Now if everyone else would just get the message too.
  • 7 0
 @Fix-the-Spade: yeti has been doing it for awhile now, i think ive seen it on a specialized. Trek for sure doesnt and i can spend a good hour trying to run new cables if my self-made guides get pulled out Frown
  • 12 2
 I know right? EXTERNAL!! Think how easy it would be to remove those shitty SRAM brakes, when you get a new bike? LOL.
  • 12 8
 I work on my bike and you know what? I fricken fish that internal brake cable out and hook her up and my bike looks f’n sweet.
Pussy.
  • 2 0
 2@Fix-the-Spade: you are right, but it's not moto style friendly
  • 4 1
 I would way rather spend some time working tonight my bike to have a more appealing better protected ride than pussy out just because pushing a cable through for a couple minutes is "too hard" but then again, I actually enjoy working on my bikes, unlike most people.
  • 2 0
 @Fix-the-Spade: I must have been doing it incorrectly, but cabling a Bronson.3 was not a breeze. Bends too tight at all three lower ports.
  • 2 0
 I work on and build all my bikes and prefer internal cabling. Easier to clean, bike looks better, and I have found internal cabling to be quieter. Takes a little more time to install, but not too bad once you know some tricks.
  • 2 0
 Most modern bikes either have guides or big ports, you just pass the cable/hose through. It takes less time than faffing about with zip ties on an externally routed frame.
  • 2 0
 @Fix-the-Spade: you must have not attempted to run a brake line through the new Hightower rear triangle yet
  • 1 0
 @rickybobby18: as someone who did both my megatower and tallboy it is actually pretty easy. What did you have trouble with? The only quasi tricky part was getting it to exit the front part.
  • 2 0
 @Austink: not rb18, but I had trouble with Shimano housing at dropout exit and mid-swingarm. Santa advises starting at bottom and using a pick to guide at mid. I ended up starting at mid, then putting cable through and using that to guide housing out the sharp bend at dropout exit. Just as I was about to surrender, housing popped out. Bend was also tight at downtube, and required some force to push through--which explained the rough surface on sections of the original piece of housing. Maybe diff housing is easier, maybe hose is easier, and judging from the new headtube port positioning on Hightower and Tboy, Santa is still trying to make things easier. Which they should, if they're serious about the 150 hour service interval on hose: www.santacruzbicycles.com/en-US/node/2304. P.s. dropper housing routing on 5010.2--easy peasy. And this is just intra-Santa variation. It's no wonder people are asking for external.
  • 17 0
 What is it with you all and these water bottle mounts?......I'm like Jocko Willink hen it comes to that. You ain't riding with me unless you got a pack of some sort on. You freeloaders...using my multi-tool, borrowing band-aids, not having your own edibles on you. Shame
  • 6 1
 I don't ride with a pack, but guess what - I still have with me a spare tube, plugs, plug tool, pump, multi tool (with chain breaker), spare gear cable, some zip ties, tape, and a snack bar in my pocket.
  • 2 0
 @Vulhelm: that's fine, but I agree with this dude, nothing is worse than a person who talks shit about someone riding with a pack or saddle bag who constantly needs tools. I cant stand people who beg for water but "dont like to carry a bottle on their bike".
  • 2 0
 @RonSauce: CamelBak????
  • 2 0
 Never ride without backpack, but i still prefer carrying the water on the bike.
  • 3 0
 @joaovasco: So you're the guy whose water bottle I ran over Wink
  • 14 2
 Would you rather...?

1. Super low top tube and short seat tube to have a lot of room to move around but no room for any storage.
2. High top tube with room for two (or more) bottles, tools all stored inside the front triangle.


I'd choose 1.
  • 16 0
 isnt that just a longer version of:
1. ride a mountain bike
2. ride a road bike
  • 7 1
 3. Shred on a hardtail with both.
  • 1 0
 @flyguyty: a bikepacker's gravel grinder.
  • 2 0
 @southoftheborder: yeah but pinkbike likes to complete polar opposites when doing "this or that" polls
  • 1 0
 ...or buy a Norco and get both?
  • 15 0
 Fight one Steve Peat sized Danny Hart Or Ten Danny Hart sized Steve Peats.
  • 3 0
 @bman33: oh god lol...ten Danny Hart sized peats please
  • 14 0
 'If I'd ask customers what they wanted, they would've told me a faster horse.' Henry Ford.
  • 10 0
 Lol, Pinkbike:

Would You Rather: A gorgeous bike that lasts one month of riding or a dogs dinner that outlasts seasons of abuse?

594
A gorgeous bike that only lasts a month


4965
A dog's dinner of a bike that outlasts seasons of abuse


Also Pinkbike:
That bike's &$#&*! ugly! And heavier than a neutron star! Kill it with fire!
  • 13 0
 Dh pants and T Shirt or Full Power Ranger
  • 5 0
 dh pant and t shirt is my go to
  • 11 1
 Would you rather have a Full Carbon $9,000 Road Bike, or a 2017 Specialized Pitch and $2,000
  • 11 0
 Rather have a 2010 Pitch when it was actually really good, and 5g's
  • 2 0
 @Shredtheduck: Yeah, we all would. It was way better when it was Full Suspension!
  • 5 1
 @Shredtheduck: 5g? what kind of tricked out pitch were you rocking...they were like 2700 bucks for the "pro" www.bikeradar.com/reviews/bikes/mountain-bikes/specialized-pitch-pro-review
  • 2 0
 @Shredtheduck: the OG Pitch was the shizzz
  • 2 0
 @greener1: not really abiut the exact money dude, just making the point
  • 9 0
 New bike with old components or old bike with new components? (By old, I mean 90's)
  • 4 0
 I'd love to upgrade my dads 1992 Rocky Mountain Equipe with a modern Deore drivetrain and some Magura HS33 hydraulic rim brakes
  • 2 0
 @matt-15: modern drivetrain yes! Old ones bounced and dropped everytimes. And it always sucked in muddy conditions.
  • 6 0
 Products that may cost a bit more but have been tested for more than a few rides so they actually last in UK conditions, or Products that come with extra marketing spin, pseudo science, some rider endorsement and new colours each year but fail after a winter of use.
  • 9 0
 Isn't the UK the home of the garage designer who built 1 prototype and moves to production?
  • 10 2
 Is this poll stuff just click bait or do you use the data for pulling in advertisers?
  • 15 1
 No one knows what it means. It’s provocative.
  • 12 3
 They will use data for the Grim Donut 2.0.
  • 2 0
 I like the polls. Interesting to see the results.
  • 14 5
 a "Don't care" option would of been great on all these.
  • 7 4
 why are you here again?
  • 7 0
 Adjustable geo has little downsides. I don't change my flip chips much but I also got to decide on what geo to leave it at forever.
  • 1 0
 That’s what makes it one of the best questions here, it’s not about balancing upsides and downsides, that question is just pure preference
  • 8 1
 Push on grips over lock on
  • 8 0
 Lock on.
  • 5 2
 Lock on and TWO RINGS, not just the inside one! (like Lizard Skins for ex)
  • 4 1
 Push-ons aint dead
  • 3 0
 @mybaben: yeah, today agree, I don’t know if I copied the term, or I made it up, but “Dual Lock On”. Then “single lock on”, and then duct tape, or electrical tape, then just bare handlebars. I cannot stand slip ons, however I know some people who like the feel? I don’t understand that but I mean You do you
  • 4 0
 @JacobyDH: I find with most (but not all)lock on grips you’re essentially holding onto a plastic tube-very little cushion or bump absorption. Slip on grips are all cushion. With the right technique they don’t slip or move around, and they’re cheaper too.
  • 1 0
 @dirtnapped: very much what he just said!! I was beginning to think I was the only one who had realized this little hand comfort changing nugget of truth...
  • 2 0
 I've been running ODI Rogues for several years and there is plenty of cushion.
  • 2 0
 @jojotherider1977: I love ODI, and I’ve been running the “Vans” version. I love them, and there’s tons of grip, and a bit of cushion.
  • 1 0
 ODI push on
  • 6 0
 Answers broken down by demographics will later be sold by pinkbike to industry!
  • 11 2
 To which the industry will do the complete opposite!
  • 2 0
 @bikebike69: I know! I thought it was funny to really look at the answers and realize that the industry has done the opposite on quite a few of them!!
  • 5 0
 Sure fine. We get content, and better bikes. Not the end of the world.
  • 1 0
 Pinkbike Analytica scandal in the works. Review out tomorrow.
  • 2 0
 and industry will probably proceed to do absolutely nothing about changing its ways, given the data. Some of these data points (i.e. consumer preferences) have been obvious for years, and few manufacturers have changed
  • 4 1
 Here's a tough question I think. Would you rather:
1) a carbon mtb with a press fit BB.
2) an alumnium mtb that looks the same as that carbon mtb, with the same build, for the same price, but weighs half a kilo (a bit over a pound) more and has a threaded BB.
  • 9 1
 Aluminum and threaded BB FTW!!!
  • 2 0
 That is exactly my bike: Alu Transition Sentinel
  • 1 0
 Dartmoor Hornet. Enough aluminium to make a normal bike frame, plus a nuke casing. Threaded BB
  • 1 0
 @Tasso75: and wayy too stiff lmao
  • 1 0
 @southoftheborder: Yup. knolly!
  • 2 0
 @Civicowner: frame is surely stiff. Complete bike with 2.6 tyres and dialed fork is just right... at least for me.
  • 1 0
 @Tasso75: i am talking about rear end. My steel ragley has ovalized seatstays and a steel frame which ends up in a much more comfortable rear end... compared to the hornet which seems to use 2 downtubes instead of seat stays...
  • 4 1
 @dan-Roberts a progressive leverage ratio is the opposite of a progressive suspension.

People are going to confuse that.

My kona operator was a progressive leverage/rising rate suspension and i bottom it out non stop.

My pivot is a progressive suspension falling rate and ramps up so hard i had to remove volume spacers from my shock.
  • 5 0
 If I pick hidden pivot hardware, does that mean I gain octopus hands?
Octopus hands would be very useful
  • 7 0
 Gonna get some interesting tinder matches
  • 1 0
 When did you last see an octopus' hands? You've been suckered.
  • 2 0
 Hey PB, show this to the industry, so they can get their shit together! I thought it was funny to really look at the answers and realize that the industry has done the opposite on quite a few of them!! LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE!
  • 5 0
 Is this some kind of scam where we vote, and the industry does whatever we vote against?
  • 2 0
 An expensive dropper post that requires servicing every ten rides and then breaks or a simple design that works and lasts and is way cheaper to start off with? Ha ha you know who I'm aiming at! Or, brakes that work well AND can easily be bled by the average home mechanic or ones that work but are so much of a pain to bleed you almost think about buying others?
  • 5 1
 Would you rather:
A) seat a stubborn tubeless set up
B) route internal cables without frame tubes or magnets
  • 7 0
 a.
  • 7 0
 @vinay: Definitely A, until the first time you accidentally blow a tire off your rim with a compressor. You'll never be the same after that.
  • 1 0
 A) I made hook of paper clip and it was super easy to catch the cable.
B) It was hell of a fight to remove tires after letting them seat and spread on tubes, but then they fully seated after single pump push even without sealant
  • 5 3
 what's the obsession with water bottles?A well stocked pack will save your life in a crash and when you get hungry too!
Would You Rather: Plastic Bikes or Metal with mitering & real welding?
  • 6 0
 26” or 29”
  • 6 1
 Pinkbike doesn't have the balls to put up a wheel size pole, might go against what the bike industry is trying to do..
  • 2 0
 Oh yeah@imbiker:
  • 2 1
 Bruh 27.5
  • 3 0
 When someone does a Google search for "false choice" this article should come up first. Example: As if you can't have an efficient pedaling suspension AND a remote lockout...
  • 3 0
 False choices are the bread or butter of pulsional exploitation. Push submit to disagree.
  • 1 0
 there was no would you rather 'mudgaurd or none' like what the heck! pls buy my girlfiends rayleigh mudguarrd...sweet as deal for 15 squigs and free second class royal male delivery..great nic and pretty darn clean considering its a mud guard lol hehe. enjoy this game bike hoes xoxo love bennnnnnnnnny Wink
  • 4 1
 The people who say an efficient suspension system can replace a climb switch are the same people who claim their enduro bike “pedals like a hardtail”
  • 1 0
 In regards to the pedal kickback/hub engagement poll, I think somebody (not me, can’t afford it) needs to experiment with a Profile Z-Coaster on their dual sus bike. Pawls clicking means instant engagement, silent hub means coaster is in effect and suspension should work nicer.
  • 4 0
 Would you rather have 3 balls and be able to send it like Yoann Or Get a vaccine against corona virus
  • 1 0
 I had both pf and threaded, pf works food for bmx / steel frame, threaded for alu and carbon;

Point about headset and frame bearing is irrelevant since head set is integrated but not pressed, frame bearing / bushings have less loads and rotates up 45 degrees or so, also intence/sc have greasing ports to simplify your life
  • 3 0
 Would you rather:
A. Have an expensive bike and be a dick about it.
B. Have a cheap bike and be a dick about it.
On Pinkbike the correct answer is of course both A and B.
  • 1 0
 Thanks for keepin it light, Pinkbike! Wild times right now, its nice to read about bikes and fun for a change. Hunkered down here waiting for things to get even more crazy. Cancelled spring break travel with family, but thankfully the trails are still open, it rained recently and the dirt should be really good this weekend.
  • 1 0
 If only... we just got 40cm of new snow...
  • 1 0
 The biggest problem with an integrated cockpit is they dont send you multiple integrated bars/stems. "but they don't send you multiple stems and bars when you buy a non-integrated bike either" That's true, but atleast with that I can still remove the bar and/or stem and put whatever I want on there. Typically those integrated jobs are proprietary parts that you can't swap out but for only the same thing just a different size.
  • 1 0
 Some leading questions in there, e.g. "Would you rather be reaching down for the little climb switch to make your bike pedal well, or have efficiency built into the suspension system?"
Might have been better to express the potential trade-off with suspension bob vs. stiffening under braking?
Yes, I do need to get out more.
  • 1 0
 Pinkbike is a great resource for the biking community. I like to vent at the faceless masses via your forums; fun for me, but in all honesty, I love you, Pinkbike, (single man tear for effect), and I truly appreciate all you offer and provide, as I think we all do. Thanks.
  • 1 0
 Would you rather..?

An old school 10 to 15 year old reliable bike with modern top spec everything (ex Cannondale Prophet)

Or a brand new high end frame with low end spec parts?

Real question. My Cannondale Prophet is the old school bike with top spec parts.
  • 1 0
 Hmm, I find it interesting people voted more for pivot bearings than bushings. For a connection that does not experience constant rotation, the bearings are going to develop "slop" a lot faster than a bushing... and they're going to be much more $$$ to replace. Anyone else agree, or wanna fight me? LOL
  • 4 0
 wireless brakes . . . or dropper with no remote?
  • 3 0
 $20 says you’re faster on a enduro bike with a dual crown than the opposite.
  • 3 0
 Would you rather?
A) another new BB standard
B) another new hub spacing standard
C) another new wheel size
  • 7 0
 Let me guess - Questions from Trek and/or SRAM. The two companies should combine and the resultant would be Shrek!
  • 3 0
 I almost forget
D) screw it, all of the above
  • 4 0
 Ride all day with bare on flat pedals or no saddle on your seat post?
  • 1 0
 No saddle. I ride standing most of the time anyways
  • 3 0
 GT got the right thing on internal routing...Recess tube routing = easy acces and noting ugly in the way
  • 2 0
 Simple to rebuild and service suspension with normal tools that pretty good, or top notch suspension that requires special tools or has to be sent away?
  • 3 0
 Dvo Is top notch AND easy to service!
  • 4 1
 I wonder if the morons who voted for internal cable routing also voted easy to access hardware...
  • 1 0
 what is missing in this questionnaire is the headset issue: do you want a headset with proper cups? Or do you want a 123 grams light bike and bearings to be ‚loose‘ in the frame?
  • 2 0
 completely agree. I've lost count of the number of carbon frames with problems associated with this design.
  • 3 3
 Off road biking has become an overpriced, elitist sport filled with self-righteous sycophantic, suck ass lemmings who would gladly buy a shiny, polished, turd if the f'in "industry" told them it would make them any of the following (faster, lighter, betterer). Someone left the front and back doors open and the Red bull slurping speed freaks from MX came in the front and the leg shaving, gram counting road weenies came in the back. And what did we end up with...........Pinkbike............sigh;/

I just like to ride my bike. Always have, always will.
  • 2 0
 I really hate how we are forced to be on this website.
  • 2 2
 who in their right mind would prefer mineral oil (scam made by bike companies to sell what is basically cooking oil lol) over dot fluid which is readily available at all auto shops cheap. also, how is a pivot bushing even an option that just sounds cheap?
  • 1 0
 Would you rather wax your chain that lasts 2000km & have to re wax every 2 months or use oil based lube, deal with the filthy dirt every ride & have to replace your chain every 500km?
  • 1 0
 The internal cable routing question should have been split in two. I don't mind internal routing for cables, but I hate it for hydraulic brakes. Installing a brake requires cutting the hose. That is just stupid.
  • 2 3
 Most of these questions were posed in a way that already points you in one direction or another. Also, question 9 sounds like it's describing an e-bike, but then the description makes it sound more like it's talking about AXS, Live Valve, etc.
  • 1 0
 I feel this goes for the question about durability vs good looks and the one about clean looks vs easy to work on. But in the other cases, I don't think it as that clear and I often found myself picking the apparently less popular choice.
  • 3 0
 Full face on green uphills or half shell on black downhills?
  • 2 0
 FF on uphills
  • 3 0
 A few good quality articles, or lots of mediocre articles?
  • 1 0
 Don't forget there is no race coverage in sight...
  • 3 0
 Would you rather drink stans or orange seal?
  • 2 0
 Orange seal looks pretty tasty honestly
  • 2 0
 I have a feeling that with all the cancelled/postponed events we'll be getting a lot of these "slow news day" articles...
  • 1 0
 then we just go out and ride Smile
  • 1 0
 @kilazilla: that is my plan for sure.
  • 2 0
 Space for a damn water bottle over a great looking bike?? Really??? Damn water bottle space!! Get rid of it!!! Jizus!!
  • 1 0
 Would You Rather: A gorgeous bike that lasts one month of riding or a dogs dinner that outlasts seasons of abuse? I’ll take the Orange 5
  • 1 0
 The orange 5 is one of my all time favorite bikes to ride.
  • 1 0
 People voted en masse for internal cable routing- but they also voted for suspension pivots that are easy to work on but visible. What gives?
  • 1 0
 For me a bike must be easy to adjust and maintenance. The optic is on the second place, for sure, I don´t want a boring design - But both can be at the same time I think.
  • 1 0
 how would anyone favor threaded bbs !?!? that's what we had 20 years ago... maybe we should bring back the threaded headsets as well
  • 2 1
 How about riding in the woods v riding street to stay clear of Coronavirus?
  • 3 1
 I'd rather not play if those are the only choices I get... Smile
  • 2 0
 You can always tell the people that never wrench their own bikes.
  • 2 0
 ebike or Segway or rascal?
  • 1 0
 Ah fawkin eh!!

"Rascal...!!" (yelled from the top to the grand canyon....)
  • 1 0
 links or patties?
  • 1 0
 Adjustable geometry question has an interesting result - nearly even split.
  • 3 1
 Stiffler’s mom or the band camp nympho??
  • 1 0
 Would you rather have a sick bike and a jealous wife or a dull bike and a happy wife?
  • 2 0
 Sick bike(s) and no wife?
  • 2 0
 Why stop at the threaded BB if we can have a threaded headset too?
  • 2 0
 Would you rather- Get mined for info or read another arti...
  • 1 0
 Would you rather set a fastest time an no one knows but you Or Cheat for a KOM
  • 2 0
 For oscillating pivots. Good bushes > bearings
  • 2 0
 Carbon frame w/ so-so components or aluminum frame w/ high end components?
  • 1 0
 Anyone that wants internal routing on any bicycle has clearly never worked in a bike shop.
  • 2 0
 My preferred brake fluid is steel.
  • 2 0
 Mine, too. Paul Klampers w/ 1994 SLR Plus levers here.
  • 1 0
 Funny How the most popular answers are the opposit of where the industry is going...
  • 1 0
 Lace shoe with a velcro strap or a lace shoe with a velcro strap? Give us the velcro damn it!
  • 1 1
 Would you rather:
A) Short Travel (~120mm) with modern geometry
B) Long Travel (~160mm) but with geometry from a decade ago
  • 1 0
 these pols are incredibly entertaining
  • 2 3
 Surprised by the results of the progression. Everyone here is friends with Aaron Gwin I guess. Seems nobody understands a thing about what's actually going on.
  • 1 0
 I’m willing to bet it’s just that everybody wants coil shocks
  • 1 0
 I had quite linear 4 bar frame and now uber progressive vpp, my choice is obvious , progressive with coil
  • 2 2
 DH bike with a single crown?
y'all been drinking the "Enduro bike can do everything" juice too much.
  • 1 1
 That's the most stupid question in this set of polls.
  • 2 1
 Would you rather, pubes for teeth, or teeth for pubes?
  • 1 0
 3500 to 311. Case closed @pinkbike.
  • 2 0
 Ahhhhhh! Shit!
  • 1 0
 PinkBike, can you add 78-80 STA or 74-77 STA
  • 1 0
 Looks like PB readers are mor conservative than we realised ourselves.
  • 1 0
 The press fit standard should be illegal.
  • 2 1
 Would you rather Corona or Clamydia?
  • 7 0
 They both sound like lovely ladies!
  • 2 1
 some of the questions are asked in a very biased way. . . .. ...
  • 1 0
 Would you rather, answer questions on the internet or go ride your bike?
  • 1 0
 Adjustable geometry.'' BS ...
  • 2 0
 Steel or Carbon??
  • 2 1
 This is so pointless. Still answered it though
  • 2 0
 Polls are for Poles
  • 1 0
 Heel clearance or boost spacing?
  • 1 0
 Stable or nimble geometry?
  • 1 0
 fuckin zika swine h1n1 sars virus
  • 1 0
 Some of you answered these questions a certain way. And it shows
  • 2 1
 Hambini fans of the world unite!
  • 1 0
 Alu frame and good wheels/dampers or carbon frame and mediocre components?
  • 1 0
 Corona VIRUS or Corona BEER?
  • 1 0
 Trek session or GT fury

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