Pipedream Launch Limited Edition Ti Moxie Hardtail

Jul 6, 2020
by Ed Spratt  

UK based bike brand Pipedream has announced a limited edition Titanium version of their Moxie hardtail that will be limited to just 24 frames. The frame will share the geometry of the new MK3 version of the standard Moxie bike but it also features a new custom-butted tubeset using an ovalised downtube and top tube. Pipedream says their mission with the updated MK3 Moxie was to "create the most aesthetically beautiful and highest performance steel and titanium bicycle frames."

The Moxie is available in two sizes but both use the same seat tube length, instead the Moxie offers a 'long' and 'longer' option with the choice between a 470mm or a 510mm reach. Pipedream says this "allows you to spec the longest dropper you need to improve manoeuvrability and maximise the performance of every Moxie bike." For the geometry, the Moxie has a steep seat tube angle of 77.5° and a pretty slack 64° head angle with a 140mm fork, although up to 170mm is within the recommended range. The bike will also take both 27.5" and 29" wheels with the chainstay length being adjustable using new sliding drop-outs that offer a range of 425 mm to 441 mm.


Currently, Pipedream is making just 24 Titanium Moxies (twelve in each size) and they are taking pre-orders now with a down payment of £750. The remaining £999 will be taken before the frame is ready to ship which is set for September.

2020 2021 Hardtail Check Out

2020 2021 Hardtail Check Out
2020 2021 Hardtail Check Out

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69 Comments

  • 12 1
 Wish the body could withstand the hits from a HT so I could experience this pipedream.
  • 7 0
 I often forget to unlock my suspension after climbing to the top of a hill only to realize it AFTER I've bombed the entire decent. DOH! Anyways, I've since gone back to having a hardtail in the stable because I've proven my old back can still handle it. Besides, after a while the pain from the bulging disks just turns to a tingly numbness. It's all good! Who needs to feel their toes while riding?? Kidding...
  • 2 0
 @liv2mountainbike2: - whereas i forget to lock my suspension going up and only realize it when i get to the top
  • 2 0
 @orphan: So true! If the climb is a steep gravel road, that truly sucks. If it's technical with rocks and roots, it probably helps more staying active.
  • 6 0
 Kingdom/Pässilä ti hard tails are cheaper and still amazing quitality
  • 1 0
 For sure...Kingdom bikes are awesome (I would say they were the pioneers of the Ti hardcore hardtail over a decade ago) and you can get a fully custom geometry exactly as you like for less than this one probably! Still a beautiful frame, like most Ti HT’s!
  • 5 4
 This seen way too good to be true for a titanium hardtail that has a preorder list...

There’s this one company that tried to do this last year and screwed everyone including vendors out of money or products.

Sick bike though
  • 1 0
 Barking up the wrong tree. In contrast to Sick, they have a track record of delivering on their promise. I have a Moxie v2 downstairs. Their process is clear, transparent and with exactly zero bullshit.
  • 3 1
 "sick" bike.... see what you did there....
  • 1 0
 Pipedream have been around for years, not a new start up.


On a side note, I've actually (like genuinely, no bs) seen a sick bike out in the wild. It was one of the ones finished and sold by the frame builder before planet x bought the remaining stock, so not a true sick from the two douche canoes, but it was a sick non the less. Didn't actually look anything that special compared to the usual aggro hardtails that frequent the local trails, plenty of ragleys, oranges and a few rarer sights like Pipedreams, dialled bikes and btrs.
  • 2 0
 Speaking of Sick. What's the bet that both of them are still here on Pinkbike (using different accounts of course), scrolling through articles looking for any mention of them. Or anyone calling them mean words.

On a more positive note. That Moxie looks killa!
  • 2 0
 why should it be "too good to be true"? Kingdom Vendetta X2 starts at €1,245.00
  • 1 0
 Bro.... we all need a Cove Hummer Ti 29er! Full titanium...handwelded by Lynskey USA...and geo perfect to ride the North Shore! Love mine! Maybe for the guys overseas in Europe this bike makes sense but for us in Canada...the best choice is Cove Wink
  • 5 2
 Looks mint. Only critique is I personally don’t like sliding dropouts. That’s a me thing.
  • 16 0
 makes it so the masochists can run SS...
  • 4 0
 mine has sliders, and its fun to play around with geo. 430mm chainstays for trail riding, 420mm for jump tracks.
  • 3 0
 @hamncheez: Exactly! And it can be difficult to find hard tails with long enough stays for rowdy riding. Sliders FTW!
  • 2 0
 It can accommodate both wheel sizes but you have to run a 29 slid back unless you are running a road tyre. I run mine 27.5 slammed at 425mm. Steel version, not ti (I'm sorry to say).
  • 3 0
 @rbarbier12: not really though. Modern steep seat angles end up not working too well for SS
  • 2 0
 @speed10: genuine question, why?
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum: I'm curious too. I run mine SS and can't notice much difference between my old 73 deg. seat tube bike and the current set-up. Had to slide the seat back on the rails a bit but apart from that...
  • 2 1
 @speed10: In the era of the dropper post, this simply isn't true. When you had a high post stuck up your naval on every descent, sure. But even on a rigid singlespeed very, very few of us forego a dropper post, therefore negating any drawbacks to a steep seat tube.
  • 1 1
 @mildsauce91: except for the fact that it puts you in a crappy pedaling position, which is kind of the point of a hardtail.
  • 1 0
 @clink83: have i missed something vital along they way? i thought these new seat angles were designed to improve the pedalling position?
  • 2 1
 @tobiusmaximum: No, its a trend or a way to compensate for geometry that is good for gravity riding. If you look at athletes that are XC racers on bikes that have steep STA to be trendy, they all have their saddles slammed all the way back or use an offset seatpost to put them in the proper riding position:
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  • 1 0
 @clink83: oh i get it yeah. sorry, i thought we were all coming from the perspective of gravity riding, since the moxie is quite long and slack.
  • 1 0
 @tobiusmaximum: Maby I just lack imagination, but I dont understand the point of enduro geometry on a hardtail. You end up with a bike that wont descent or climb all that well. I do like the idea of the hardcore hardtail though...
  • 1 0
 @clink83: I totally see your point. I personally wouldn't want more than 140mm up front on any hardtail. If my local trails were rougher I'd have full sus. Having said that, it's surprising what you can get away with on a modern ht. Tyre inserts and plus tyres have moved the goalposts somewhat.

I built mine to be a good all rounder that excels at general trail riding and jumping (covers most of what I ride). Never going to race enduro on it but people do and good luck to them. Also good to know it's a tough frame.

I like having one bike because it can be a top spec bike. Really wanted the previous ti Moxie but it didn't have adjustable dropouts. Looks like this one does....uh-oh.
  • 4 2
 Pipedream hardtails are sexy. I tried to explain to them that 430mm seat tube is not long enough for everyone, even with a 185mm dropper. They weren't convinced. Oh well.
  • 9 2
 good thing 210 droppers exist
  • 3 0
 Oneup 210mm dropper is 375mm max extension. 805mm total. Plus say 150 for crank minus pedal. Pretty sure if you've got a 38 inch inseam, even a 510mm reach ain't long enough for you anyway. I'm 6 ft 2 with a 31 inch inseam.
  • 1 0
 Have the same problem... I use one of the longest droppers available with 200 mm of travel. The seat tube of the Moxie is to short to insert the post to the "miniminum insertion" mark. I tried to convince them too.
  • 1 0
 By the way, I'm 193 cm tall... the shortest seat tube I can ride has to be 438 mm.
  • 2 0
 @jacksteel: 8 whole millimetres? Get a taller seat and you'd be sorted. You must have extremely long legs relative to your height, you're only a few inches taller than me.
  • 1 0
 @inked-up-metalhead: The seat tube is 420 mm, not 430 mm... so 18 mm of difference. Distance from BB to seating surface is 840 mm.
In my eyes there is no reason to have such a short seat tube on a 29er, top of the rear tire is higher than the end of the seat tube.
  • 1 0
 @jacksteel: again, you must have really long legs in relation to your height. Unfortunately you are an outlier, for most people that length seat tube is more than enough with a long dropper, and makes it better for clearance on the downs.

And I've got seats that are 18mm higher than others, it's not beyond logic that you could find something taller too. Yes it defies the point of the super short seat tube, but adding length to the seat tube would also do that. They've clearly gone with a geometry that suits the majority of riders with the 2 sizes, if it doesn't work for you find a different company who's geometry does work for you.
  • 1 0
 @jacksteel: and so what about the tyre being higher? The seat and dropper add enough that the top of the seat is still higher than the tyre.
  • 4 0
 Actually the seat tube is 420mm
  • 2 0
 Nice
  • 1 1
 It's beautiful for sure, but it just doesn't tickle me in the right way that I could possibly justify to myself spending that much coin on just a frame. My ex demo Stif was less than that complete and I've had a hoot on it, this beauty may well have a higher hoot factor but alas I will never find out.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't a world's gone mad/prices rant at all, I get that craftsmanship costs money and limited batches area airways going to attract boutique prices and I'm sure these will sell out. If I see one in the wild I can doff my cap to the discerning owner accordingly.

But stick a new Transition in front of me and suddenly I'm listing the kitchen appliances and kids on Gumtree
  • 3 0
 Is it £1749, or am I just shit at maths?
  • 17 1
 No. You is good at maffs.
  • 4 0
 I’m shit at reading, was about to say 750 pounds is a crazy deal for a titanium frame
  • 1 0
 Same, on one used to do their frames for about that, so its not out of the realms of possibility... but i don't think it will be, its either 750 quid deposit with another 149 due to make it £999, or the worlds gone 100% mad and its actually £1750?
  • 5 0
 I don't think the statement was ambiguous at all - it's £750 deposit and then another £999 to make £1749
  • 1 0
 @pbuser2299: you is not so good at maff. Repeat after me, 750 plus 149 is not 999.
  • 2 0
 @tobiusmaximum: oh yeah... stay in school kids
  • 2 0
 The pipedream is that I could afford one
  • 1 0
 Kind of a bummer it is a 32 tooth chainring Max. Especially with Shimano's 51 tooth and Sram 52 tooth rear cogs
  • 1 0
 Beautiful. Good work Pipedream, best wishes
  • 1 0
 Mmmmm, ovalised downtube...
  • 1 0
 Who actually welds and fabricates the frame? The welds look beautiful!
  • 3 0
 They aren't bad welds by any means, but for titanium you can definitely get better and to me it doesn't make sense to spend a bunch on Ti then not go all the way and get the most beautifully welded frame you can. Checkout Bingham Built frames and you'll see what I mean.
  • 1 0
 @MTBLegend92: Just did, and you weren't kidding. f*cking perfection.
  • 1 0
 I bet they are made by Waltly Titanium in China (like a lot of TI frames out there).
  • 1 0
 @jacksteel: Shame. Welds look good but I would not trust quality control on a Ti frame from China. I wouldn't trust the titanium either. If your going to invest large $ on a Ti frame. Why not pay a bit more for a custom made from from a local builder.
  • 4 4
 Titanium > steel, in my opinion.
  • 3 0
 I've never had the opportunity to experience titanium because the down payment on a frame is more than I paid for my complete steel hard-tail. I would love to try it one day though.
  • 5 0
 @mmoon: Kingdom makes a more reasonably priced hard tail- kingdombike.com/collections/hardtails

You can also go east-asian direct and have one welded up completely custom for about $1100 USD shipped, depending on the features. Mine has sliding dropouts, internal routing, custom geometry, and a few other cool things. It just takes 3 months for it to get to you haha.
  • 4 0
 @hamncheez: Kingdom is legit. I have a few, love them.
  • 2 5
 No, it isn`t actually. It`s lighter but less responsive than steel when it`s about aggressive hardtail.
Tubes need to be thicker compared to steel; makes it less reactive and not as comfortable.
The top amongst the top is stainless steel, Reynolds 953 for instance.
Cheers
  • 3 0
 @radbikr: I second that...my Vendetta X2 HT is just an amazing bike to ride...so fun and capable to ride...also had a few FS Hex’s over the years and they have always been awesome...and you do get THE best customer service with Kingdom!
  • 3 0
 @softsteel: "less responsive" isn't necessarily correct...depending on the thickness, welding, etc.
Kona had two ti frames back in the late 90's...I had one and loved it...I could make the back end bounce up and do some cool maneuvers in turns with it, as well it damped a lot of vibration. A guy I knew had the more burly version...larger gussets at the welds and it was a much stiffer ride.
I've also had a few Reynolds steel and enjoyed them as well, but nothing can beat a good ti frame
  • 4 0
 @hamncheez: I have a Kingdom too!! It's such a hoot!! Hadn't rode a hardtail since like 2002. Imagine how shocked I was when I realized how capable that thing is.
  • 1 0
 @gbcarmona: Interesting... wrote them a E-Mail regarding frame geometry 2 weeks ago. Got no answer at all.
  • 1 0
 @jacksteel: that's very unusual...I bet they must have hundreds of emails to answer and I know they have been very busy for the past weeks sending a new batch of frames. However, what do you need answer in terms of geometry? Its all on the website, and if you want a custom, you can just choose on the website, bit by bit on each of the tabs?
  • 1 0
 lol 470mm reach
  • 2 0
 Lol yes
  • 1 0
 Beautiful

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