Pivot's New Carbon and Alloy Enduro Bikes - First Look

Oct 4, 2017
by Mike Levy  




2017 has seen Pivot release their new Mach 5.5 Carbon back in May, followed up with their Europe-only Shuttle eMTB in August, and now the Arizona-based company is adding two more bikes to their catalog: the Mach 6 Carbon and Mach 6 Aluminum.

The two bikes share the same 155mm of rear wheel travel, dw-link suspension system, and updated geometry compared to the previous version of the Mach 6.


Mach 6 Carbon and Aluminum

• Rear wheel travel: 155mm
• dw-link suspension system
• Wheel size: 27.5''
• Made for 160 - 170mm forks
• Size-specific geometry
• Cold forged upper and lower links w/ Enduro Max cartridge bearings
• 12 x 148mm Boost hub spacing
• Internal cable routing, Di2 compatible (alloy external)
• Internal dropper post routing
• 1x or 2x compatible
www.pivotcycles.com
Pivot Mach 6




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New Carbon and Aluminum Frames

Like a lot of brands, the design language is very similar throughout Pivot's catalog, and it's no different when it comes to the two new Mach 6 platforms. Both are unmistakably Pivot through and through, but both the carbon and aluminum Mach 6 frames are also completely new.


Pivot Mach 6
Pivot Mach 6

Pivot Mach 6
Pivot Mach 6


The fresh carbon frame is made using Pivot's ''exclusive hollow core internal molding process,'' and the finished product is said to be comparable to their downhill bike when talking about rigidity and strength. Given that many of these new all-mountain rigs are essentially being ridden like short-travel downhill bikes, Pivot's claims and confidence have to be a good thing. They also say that the large diameter tubes, new linkage pieces, and suspension-specific EnduroMax bearings all help further their cause. Tire clearance taps out at 2.6'' rubber out back, and no, you can't fit 29'' wheels.

The aluminum frame hosts all the same features, minus the carbon fiber, of course, and has external cable routing (except for the dropper post) as opposed to the internal routing found on its more expensive brother.
Pivot Mach 6


Pivot has long employed dw-link suspension, and it's no different on the new Mach 6 platforms, with the bikes featuring a system that's tailor-made for air shocks. Want to run a coil-sprung shock? You're mostly out of luck, as the bike's rear-end is made to work in tandem with the progressive nature of an air spring. That said, Pivot has worked with Colorado's Push Industries to come up with a tune that will play nice with the Mach 6, so you'll just need to shell out for one of those US-made shocks if it's a coil or nothing kinda thing for you.

Up front, the frame is made for 160mm-travel forks with a 44mm offset, although you can up-fork your bike to 170mm if you party really hard and think you need the extra 10mm of squish.


Pivot Mach 6


Often, when a new bike is released, it's debuted in carbon fiber before a less expensive and slightly heavier aluminum version is shown a bit later down the road. There are all sorts of things at play there, from priorities when it comes to manufacturing, to timelines and availability, but it usually works out that people get excited about the high-end, dentist and doctor-spec carbon models before the less pricey aluminum versions can be had. Pivot is dropping both at the same time, though, so you can get your hands on the same geometry and dw-link suspension starting at $3,899 USD for an alloy model, or spend up to $10,398 USD if only the fancy pants carbon bike is good enough for you.

There are fourteen Mach 6 models in total, which is a lot of numbers to type out, but you can see the entire range and all the MSRPs on Pivot's website.
Pivot Mach 6


More Length, More Slack

We have enduro racing to thank for our bikes growing in front-end length, the steep seat tube angles that hide that extra reach when we're on the seat, and especially the slacker head tube angles that are inching closer and closer towards downhill bike territory with every new bike. The previous Mach 6 was no slouch in its day, but it was obvious that it was time for Pivot to drastically increase the reach on their premium all-mountain and enduro offering, so that's exactly what they've done.


Pivot Mach 6


Comparing the old and new bikes in a large size, the old Mach 6 had a 414mm reach that's pretty dang short by today's standards when a lot of medium-sized frames are considerably roomier. The new Mach 6, in a large size, gets stretched out considerably to 460mm, a number that's a whopping 46mm longer than its predecessor and more in line with other contemporary offerings. The new bike's head angle is also slacker at 65.8-degrees compared to the old one's 66.25-degree front-end, and you don't need a math degree to know that all that makes for a longer wheelbase as well.

Pivot hasn't added the same massive amount of length across the board, however, as it's only the medium, large and x-large sizes that see the biggest increase. ''Small and x-small remain compact, in keeping with our rider-size-specific design philosophy while still offering the climbing advantages of the steeper seat angle, and a nimble, capable handling on descents,'' Pivot explained about their approach to sizing. That "size-specific design philosophy'' doesn't quite reach the back of the bike, however, with all sizes featuring the same 430mm chainstay length.


Pivot Mach 6



More Masters, Too

In related news, Pivot has signed Kiwi Eddie Masters to their factory racing team. Eddie will be racing on, you guessed it, a team version of the Mach 6 (pictured below) at Enduro World Series events, as well as major downhill races on board the Phoenix DH Carbon. Masters, who placed third overall at the EWS round in Rotorua, New Zealand, had this predictably cheerful quote in the press release: ''I’m really excited for this opportunity. I'm so stoked to join the team and I can’t wait to get racing under the Pivot banner in 2018!'' Eddie joins Bernard Kerr, Emilie Siegenthaler, and Rupert Chapman, and the team plans to hit all the major downhill events, including the Crankworx tour, and at least six Enduro World Series stops.
Pivot Mach 6


Pivot Mach 6



177 Comments

  • + 130
 Eddie Masters and Bernard Kerr on the same team, better hope nothing gets stolen!
  • + 20
 I like to think Eddie only did it to see the look on his brother's face.
  • + 7
 Oh there will be! It's called a world championship, baaybaaay!!!!!
  • + 11
 I wonder if Pivot will go on as guarantor for a lease in Queenstown this summer for Bernard and Eddie. Last time I checked they had been blacklisted from renting since the last party that got them evicted... (ps thanks for the party lads, was a f*cking sick time!)
  • - 49
flag chyu (Oct 4, 2017 at 3:23) (Below Threshold)
 Yo listen up here's a story About a little guy that lives in a blue world And all day and all night and everything he sees Is just blue like him inside and outside Blue his house with a blue little window And a blue corvette And everything is blue for him and himself And everybody around 'Cause he ain't got nobody to listen to I'm blue da ba dee da ba die... Next season gonna be the season of Eiffel 65
  • - 41
flag viatch (Oct 4, 2017 at 4:15) (Below Threshold)
 still no bottle mount on the aluminum ??? GAY !
  • + 0
 it look like the bottle mount is located on the bottom of the downtube near the cable mount.
  • + 7
 @focusst: constantly dirty bottle = fail.
  • - 8
flag hamncheez (Oct 4, 2017 at 6:26) (Below Threshold)
 so I guess Eliot Jackson is persona non grata, despite beating both Masters brothers at world champs
  • + 8
 @hamncheez: breaking news: dirtmountainbike.com/news/eliot-jackson-jacob-dickson-giant-factory-racing.html

What the f*ck is wrong with everyone this week?
  • + 2
 @BenPea: crap, forgot he moved to Giant
  • + 2
 @oldfartne: Hydropack = clean. And snacks. Wink
  • + 0
 Ride it like its stolen!
  • + 1
 @Poulsbojohnny: Dont want no stinkin bottle. Part of a second to get hydrated with a Camelback or comparable wannabee. Then spit out the bitevalve. Colder H2O too. Rock on......
  • + 43
 Its not just the doctors and dentist interested in the high end, its also refinery workers like me lookn to gift myself somthn nice after averaging a 60 hour work week all year!
  • + 7
 get it!
  • - 16
flag MX298 (Oct 4, 2017 at 9:06) (Below Threshold)
 Big oil rules!
  • - 6
flag mollow (Oct 4, 2017 at 13:56) (Below Threshold)
 Except year isn't over. Keep working sheep these taxes aren't gonna pay themselves!
  • + 34
 Firebird, in alloy. Then we'll talk...
  • + 4
 Eddie is riding the Mach6 for the EWS.....interesting not using the Firebird
  • + 3
 @Travel66: agreed. It makes you wander if all that travel is really worth in.
  • + 2
 Roger dat, I think the older Firebird with the floating shock had the best suspension design in their line based on my experience of owning several different models from them....
  • + 5
 agree. Santa Cruz realized the market for alloy is there... I stick to my canfield balance though..
  • - 4
flag whitebullit (Oct 4, 2017 at 5:05) (Below Threshold)
 @Lagr1980: canfail balance? how many cracks does yours have?
  • + 7
 @whitebullit: you are the only person i have heard having issues with a balance. if you cracked one of those, my guess is any other bike would have disintegrated under you. and i have a feeling canfield would cover you and then some.

or you tried to upfork the crap out of it and the headtube couldnt handle it.
  • - 1
 @Longtravel: @Travel66 But it kinda makes sense, doesn't it.

On anything less than a World Cup DH track a trail bike will be faster than a DH rig, it'll be moving forward rather than up/down.

At least that's what I experience when I ride mellow trails on my Fritzz180 compared to my mates riding Patrols and Switchblades...
  • + 7
 @whitebullit: zero point zero. And if it breaks I know I'd be taken care off.....
  • + 2
 @adrennan: Interesting, I have the opposite experience on all but the smoothest trails. My 31lb 180mm Soda Evo outpaces my 27lb 5010 time and time again to my surprise. Our trails are pretty rugged so maybe that is the difference. As far as fun the 5010 is a little more spunky of course.
  • + 3
 @silvbullit: your comment directed at me is confusing. I don't see how our comments relate. but are you @silvbullit and @whitebullit related?
  • + 0
 @Longtravel: worked for Sam Hill different bike but that much travel
  • + 0
 @Leethal-1: defs the bike bro
  • + 3
 @adrennan: wasnt me but four of my buddys, all with 160mm forks... canfield offered them frame only replacement no shock for 1000$. one of the guys uses it pretty much for cross country only, the shock mount welds were cracking and on two of them the rear triangle brace started to contact the seat tube, im not trying to spread false information here, this is a place to talk about bikes right? i figures people would want to know about this.
  • + 1
 @Milko3D: Maybe your thinking of the Phoenix DH bike, the Firebird is the 170mm enduro bike. It's interesting he's using a 160mm Mach 6....perhaps the suspension is so good he feels he won't need it and go quicker on a Mach6. DW does tend to make it feel like you need less travel.
  • + 1
 @Travel66: I was just using the extremes to make a point, I'm aware what the Firebird is.

I rode the Mach5.5 a week ago, and you're right about the bottomlessness of the DW, it was the angles more than anything that was uncomfortable. We rode a steep DH-like run.
  • + 1
 @Travel66: Somebody could make suspension analysis for this new mach 6, but if i remember correctly, the mach 6 is not that progressive so you have a bike that uses all the travel easily during trail/"e" use as 60-70% of the travel is very linear towards the end... Firebird is another beast... you have some room to go big with it as it is very progressive..
  • + 1
 @Lagr1980: Until somebody runs it I don't know....
@andrextr care to have a go? Maybe compare the 5.5 /SB/Firebird?
  • + 1
 @silvbullit: Holy cow another Soda Evo 180 owner. Mine's 35 lbs tho. Love that bike.
  • + 1
 @WaterBear: there's a small number of us around, mines a tank at 16kg but for a 6 year old design with only the wheelsize changing the old soda still has 'progressive' geometry by today's standards, not sure what I'll do when I finally break it.
  • + 1
 @whitebullit: @adrennan:
unfortunately whitebullit is NOT making any of this up..
I have seen all of the broken canfield balance frames he is talking aboutFrown
I ride with those guys too...they all had 160mm forks and not abused.
It's a shame IMO and canfield should have done more for them.
mostly small cracks near the shock mount tabs, except for the one that had a major crack near headtube( and YES he's the most XC rider out of the bunch) oh and yes, one had the suspension linkage hitting the seat tube and denting it.....
  • + 1
 @redman733: crazy to hear. which year frame? i have absolutely abused min for almost 2 years now (probably 30 days at the resort) and it just keeps asking for more punishment. Would love to see photos.

For the record, I was not downvoting the comments about broken frames; i think it is important for people to be aware of. I am amazed more than anything that there is a concentration of broken canfields in a group like that.
  • + 3
 @adrennan: @whitebullit:

here is one pic i have..i didnt take pics of everyones broken balance frames but I can still get pics of at least two more that are cracked next time I see them,,,,

www.pinkbike.com/photo/15253871
  • + 2
 @adrennan: @whitebullit:

here is one more pic...this is the common place everyone with a balance should be looking for cracks...
LOOK CLOSELY ON TOP OF THE WELDS

www.pinkbike.com/photo/15253933
  • + 2
 @adrennan: I cracked my Balance, I had a 160mm fork on it and I’m not the most aggressive rider. I’m 5’ 4” 160 lbs. it’s too bad the bike ride like a dream. Now I’m going for a Knolly.
  • + 1
 @muddysocks: @adrennan: @whitebullit:

ok one more pic..this is NOT the same frame as the picture i posted above(both just raw frames)

www.pinkbike.com/photo/15254159
  • + 1
 @redman733: what model years?
  • + 16
 when spec'ing groupsets could manufacturers please stop skimping on the shifters and splashing on the mech, i'd rather have a nicer XTR shifter than worry about smashing an XTR mech.
  • + 2
 Where do you even see anything about the shifter here?
  • + 5
 Totally. What do I care if I have a fancy XT or better derailleure if I can't multi-shift?
  • + 9
 @cortosis2009: i was looking at the part lists on their website.
  • + 18
 @pivotcycles: Why route cables on the bottom side of the frame?
  • + 23
 Ran out of money after the blue paint
  • + 6
 I've had this on my RM Slayer since 2011 and haven't had to touch it once.
  • + 13
 It's the simpelest way and I've never heard of anyome having problems with it being down there.
  • + 1
 it reduces frictions, though with the use of an outer cable from shifter to derailleur it does not really matter anymore.
  • + 2
 And why the lack of water bottle screws!
  • + 1
 @NickBosshard: lol there never is
  • + 1
 @Pichy: agreed, this is absolute rubbish.
  • + 5
 Why wouldn't cables be routed there? They're out of the way of the chainset and lower pivot, and provide additional protection against rock dings. Rear brake hose goes above b.b. cuz it's a shorter path and articulates better. On carbon model they're out of the way of H2O cage. Anyone who has broken housing/hose with this configuration please provide hyperlink to a photo.
  • + 3
 @NickBosshard: flying rock from front wheel cut my rear brake hose on the bottom side of the frame, it was last year in Morzine..not very nice surprise at all, when you realize, that you have to use your front brake to get down to Les Crosets....
  • + 2
 @darren853: To be fair, this could happen on the alloy model but on the carbon model the brake line is inside the frame and runs above the bb to the chainstay and should be out the way of pretty much any rocks.
  • + 3
 If you transport your bike in the back of a truck on the tailgate, it chews up your cable/hose housing
  • - 5
flag dimitree (Oct 4, 2017 at 8:29) (Below Threshold)
 $$$$. I have had multiple friends sever lines on their Firebirds, Switchblades and Mach 6s. Enough for me to look elsewhere.
  • + 0
 @NickBosshard: I've never heard of Any Ome either... hmmmm lmao ;p
  • + 38
 Hi All, there are multiple comments regarding the cable routing in this thread, so I am going to chime in.

First, the hydraulic line is not under the bottom bracket, it is the rear derailleur cable. From a performance perspective, this is the straightest and smoothest routing which results in exceptional shifting performance. It's proven reliable and effective in model after model.

Second, we've sold thousands of bikes with this design over our years in business and our riders, dealers and demo fleets just don’t have issues with it. If we had, we would have addressed it long ago – not only is it important from a customer service and rider experience standpoint, but also, it makes good business sense to address thing like this if it were an issue.

I really appreciate feedback and commentary from our riders and shops and we have certainly incorporated great ideas from outside the company into our designs at times. We stand behind our bikes - if you haven’t had a chance to get out on a Pivot, our demo fleets travel the USA, Canada and Europe and we invite you to join us at an event and check them out in person.

Thank you for your support,
Chris Cocalis
  • + 15
 Me and my riding buddy both ride switchblades with the same routing. No problems at all after a full season of DH trails, XC trails, tailgate shuttles, etc.. classic PB crybabies who are better at whining on PB articles than building bikes. Probably the same people who can't figure out how to install a press fit BB.
  • + 4
 @ironxcross: Probably the same people who can't figure out how to install a press fit BB.

That screws in, right? Or is it reverse threaded?
  • + 3
 @Travel66: dimitree is incredibly full of shit because those bikes, like this bike, just have derailleur cables under the BB not hydraulic hoses. I'd like to see anyone "sever" a cable with housing... you'd have to crash into the business end of a lawnmower.
  • + 3
 I've ridden a Switchblade for the last 2 years with the same routing and haven't even replaced my cable yet. It has the quietest routing of any bike ive ridden lately. Being on my 2nd set of bent raceface cranks id say i'm hard enough on bikes to test this. Im pretty sure color options is a more legitimate complaint than the cable routing haha.
  • + 1
 @pivotcycles: Hi Chris, I am a huge fan of the previous Firebird model having owned a couple as well as other DW suspension bikes. But I am curious as to why you got away from the floating shock design? From all of my experience on DW or VPP designs, the Firebirds floating shock design was the best feeling suspension of the bunch. Thanks
  • + 11
 Good job from Pivot on the various builds, especially on the forks: Fox 36 Factory on nearly all M6 models. Other companies should take note!

It makes me mad when the only way to buy a complete bike with a top-of-the-line fork is to buy the 10 000$ model with carbon rims.
  • + 11
 Pivot needs to make a long travel 29er
  • + 3
 I have heard a strong rumour that there will be a Mach 6(29) coming very soo , which was strange that they released this in 27.5. Unless it's just a progressive release and it's all happening around new Mach 6 frame design ????
  • + 1
 Please let that rumor become reality! My Switchblade rocks but a little more travel would be great.
  • + 1
 Yeah, I think this new 27.5 Mach 6 was a missed opportunity to make a 29er to compete with the Slash/Mega 29/Wreckoning, etc...
  • + 7
 A man, i was hoping this bike would be called the Mach Chicken. You know going with the bird theme: phoenix, firebird
  • + 1
 LMAO
  • + 4
 Feel like there should be a size between S and M. 30mm jump from XS to S, 50mm reach jump from S to M, and 20mm jump from M to L. I don't get it. I would have been stoked with a reach in the 420 range. Oh well.
  • + 1
 Personally, I favour the 54 mm jump in normalized reach (factoring in the effect of stack) between sizes, as I feel most product lines don't cover enough range on the long end, but yeah, whether you like long or short bikes, the unevenness of these sizes is unusual.
  • + 2
 No one in Arizona is 5'7" apparently.
  • + 3
 Seriously, that blue color again? Kona, Evil, Yeti, Rocky Mountain, and now Pivot. All is see is bright blue bikes now! Very cool bike though and I was expecting a nice update to the Mach 6. This doesn't disappoint.
  • + 3
 It's pretty awful. The color match on the wheels doesn't help any either. I'm looking forward to the 2018 Smuggler, bone white and dark blue. Very sharp and understated, thank you very much!
  • + 5
 Wonder how Wyn feels about his brother teaming up with the most dangerous man in mountain biking?!
  • + 0
 I didn't read your comment correctly. Ignore me.
  • + 1
 So pivot's "size specific design" philosophy is that a small has a larger front triangle than an extra small, a medium is larger than the small, a large is larger than the medium, and and XL is larger than a large. How revolutionary! Why hasn't anybody thought of this before?!?
  • + 1
 Putting the XTR rear deraileur on makes it look like you got some real value for your 6200$. You have to pay extra for a dropper ?!?

It's interesting to me how dedicated to Shimano Pivot is. I wonder what they get out of it? Does anyone actually buy the DI2 bikes?
  • + 2
 Even the top spec Eagle X01 model has an 'optional' dropper! Pretty ridiculous at this price point.
  • + 1
 It's a partnership...lots of brands do it. Specialized has been locked in with SRAM for years now.
  • + 5
 Hi there - both Mach 6 Bikes come standard with a dropper - this has been corrected on the website. Thank you!
  • + 1
 @pivotcycles: Thanks for the update!
  • + 1
 Cocalis helped develop the E-type from derailleur when people were still running them on all-mountain bikes. It apparently freed him from a few design constraints so he benefited as well.
  • + 5
 Turquoise huh? Everyone wants to be like Yeti.
  • + 4
 Unfortunately, too many sheep when it comes to paint schemes in mtb.
  • + 1
 I'm surprised nobody mentioned this...the bike doesn't actually look that bad. It's not beautiful, but they made that awful down tube less pronounced. If they keep releasing these geometry changes, I might consider a 429sl for next years race season.
  • + 4
 Beauty bike but I can’t help feeling it would look so much nicer if it didn’t have a seat from 1995 on it.
  • + 3
 Am I the only one that noticed, it looks like you can put a water bottle on the carbon model? But the Aluminum version doesn't look like it has the screw for it?
  • + 1
 I think it would be a better article if you focused from the beginning on the differences of this "re-design" of the mach 6 and the previous designs. This bike has been a mainstay in Pivot's line for a long time.. its not a new bike.
  • + 1
 I think Pivots are sweet rides, however, I am 6'4" and 225 lbs. I looked at purchasing a Pivot M6, but I feel the wheelbase is too short for a guy my size, am I wrong? I went with my ultimate love, Yeti SB5C. Been in the Tribe for 10 years, and these bikes are LEGIT!
Also, although the Pivot teal color frame looks sweet, you can't be rippin off Yeti like that?? C'mon maaaaaan! That is a Yeti staple! Regardless, keep up the great work. I still think Pivot bikes are rad!
  • + 2
 With the exception of better standover, the geo is essentially identical to an Intense Tracer with a 1 degree slacker seat tube.
  • + 4
 I like seeing these top notch companies doing alu options.
  • + 1
 Small gripe, but why does the aluminum frame get a proper head badge while the carbon is gets the paint treatment? such a worthless detail, but its kind of the cherry on top of a Sunday in my book.
  • + 0
 Weight.
  • + 4
 It is indeed a pivoting moment for the spirit...
  • - 1
 I said, let the Firebird fly at mach speed, but then some Pole said: only to crash into the Ocean...
  • - 4
flag endurocat (Oct 4, 2017 at 1:31) (Below Threshold)
 Size specific is not! The small has a reach of 390 and the medium jumps all the way to 440 , makes no sense
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Tweeted a little firebird. To the point: I predict there are 0 carbon frames in ocean, not much more and no les....
  • - 3
 @ceecee: I have no idea why would someone be surprised that there are pieces of expensive bikes floating in the Oceans...
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Show me.
  • + 0
 Why are pivots so expensive? Going toe to toe with comparable bikes on their cheapest option a Santa Cruz Bronson R blows their spec out of the water. The Bronson is $100 more but it isn't their lowest offering. On the Bronson you get GX Eagle, SRAM Guide brakes and a Reverb. Where is all of the expense on the Pivot coming from in the Alloy models?
  • + 7
 Um...you may want to look at that again. The Bronson R has a relative garbage spec - Rhythm 34, NX, Level T brakes and aeffect dropper? If you were thinking the Bronson S, it's $100 more for the same fork, same shock, comparable drivetrain, and comparable brakes. The Bronson comes with a dropper and Mach does not...there's your $100 difference.

Looking at the Mach 6 vs. Bronson, pricing seems to be right on.
  • + 1
 @TheRaven: You are correct, I meant to say S. Still I wouldn't say GX Eagle and SLX/XT mashup with aeffect crank are comparable. I also think Guides are way better than Shimano M615s, why wouldn't they spec at least SLX there? And the reverb is a $300+ part.

These are little things that I think that for $3,800 you would expect a 2018 bikes to have. And I just pointed to Santa Cruz because I think most people say those are the expensive "dentist" bikes. I think a lot of brands are giving us better value for our money component wise these days.
  • + 2
 @ajdriscoll: I am of the opposite opinion on GX vs SLX but opinion aside, GX is an SLX level drivetrain. So Build-wise, all GX is actually a smidge lower than SLX with an XT mech. We can call it even for the purposes of this discussion. Also, Guide R's are a Deore (M615/M6000) competitor. Also, $300 is retail price for the Reverb. Personally, you'd have to pay me to take one but you can look at the used market to for an objective value of the Reverb. Generally $100-150 is the upcharge for a build with a middle-of-the-road dropper. You have to remember that these bikes are priced not based on what's in them, but what they can be sold for. So that's why you'll see brands charging more for a bike with a Transfer than for one with a Reverb, despite the fact that the Reverb is actually more expensive than the Transfer.

Now I can agree with your second paragraph. We shouldn't have to pay $3800 to get what is barely a mid-range spec on an aluminum frame, and there definitely are better values out there. That said, not everyone is looking for the "best value" and pretty much everyone has their favorite bikes. When one is spending this much coin on a toy, one should be buying the toy that makes them the happiest.
  • + 1
 @TheRaven: I guess I'm just always looking for the best bang for the buck. Probably the first disagreement I've had online where the other person wasn't a total dick, so kudos for that.

For the GX drivetrain I was putting it ahead because it is the Eagle version not the 11 speed.
  • + 10
 @TheRaven: Hi there - both Mach 6 bikes come with a dropper - that was a data entry error on our part and it has been corrected. Thanks for bringing our attention to it!
  • + 2
 @ajdriscoll: Understood. There's no need to insult someone because they are fanatics about a brand I have had bad experiences with...we are all partial to certain brands even if those brands may not offer the best quality or performance...so i'd be a hypocrite to be a dick over it.

Personally, i'm more interested in range than number of gears. I'm currently running XTR with a 10-50 11-speed cassette on my Carbine so Eagle offers nothing objectively, and subjectively it would be a downgrade because i've found SRAM to be alot less durable and reliable than Shimano. Shimano will have their 12-speed out next year so at that point we can talk 12-speed to 12-speed.

I noted all that because it helps to elaborate on my response to your comment about Eagle being superior because it's 12-speed...not everyone agrees. In fact, I would be willing to bet at this time that the majority would not consider Eagle superior simply because it has more speeds. That will likely change as 12-speed becomes the norm. But as I said before, bikes are spec'd and priced based on what sells, not based on numbers...so at this time, the Bronson S and Mach 6 alloy base build are pretty darn competitive.
  • + 3
 @pivotcycles: Ahh now see that...that changes things...the Mach 6 comes with a Transfer. So now it looks like the Mach 6 is actually a BETTER value than the Bronson S.

Obviously SRAM fans may disagree. And that's ok...watch my buy/sell for great deals on SRAM/Rockshox products.
  • + 2
 @TheRaven @pivotcycles Agree with Raven. $3,800 makes a lot more sense now, thanks for clarifying.
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 @TheRaven: Cheers on the civil discussion! My take is that SLX is below GX-12 on only two counts: the shifter and the cassette range. The shifter is crude and the range isn't on par with GX-12. I would put an XT group with SLX cranks on par with GX - and I'd run a tiny ring to compensate for the reduced range.

"Value" is difficult to quantify. If you want the best component spec for your money, there are some direct sale, catalog frames that offer outstanding specs at reasonable prices. I would argue the aluminum Pivot or Santa Cruz frames being discussed are much nicer, though, and I'd rather have a posh frame with budget parts than vice versa.

If a person can find a cheap bike with great geometry, though, that's the best of both worlds! Whyte and Bird are particularly good examples, in my opinion.
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 @R-M-R: That's exactly where I disagree. XX1 is the only shifter i've found in SRAM's lineup that can hold a candle to a Shimano shifter. SRAM's derailleur/cassette interaction is excellent, but their shifters for the most part just feel plasticky and clunky compared to Shimano offerings.

Anyway, we can discuss personal opinions all day (and have, at length, many times in the past)...that's why I tried to stick to the objective marketing-based approach. Complete bike builds are selected to make a bike as appealing as possible for a given price. No bike maker can account for personal opinion...Shimano vs. SRAM is like Chevy vs. Ford...everyone has their favorite. SRAM created GX to compete in the same space that SLX occupies, and that's why you find SLX builds at the same price point as GX builds. You may think "wow why would I buy SLX 11-speed when I can get GX 12-speed?!", but I and many others couldn't care less how many speeds the bikes have...some of us simply want range in a quality drivetrain. Then you have the "50t? pssht I push 36x11 uphill all day!" and all they want is an 11-34t cassette on a drivetrain that just works. 12-speed will continue to increase in demand as time passes but right now it's not a significant factor.
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 So they haven’t learned thet yoke driven shocks tend to be yoke killed shocks...
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 In my 18 years of riding, roughly 90% of the bikes i've ridden have been "yoke-driven" and i've NEVER had a shock die due yoke-induced binding. I've never even heard of this in "real life", only on the internet.
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 @TheRaven: I've heard of the internet.
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 Specialized yokes that have a fixed mounting point are the issue, not the yoke design itself.
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 @Broth-Ratchurch: ...and about 80% of that 90% that I mentioned were Specialized bikes.

This isn't actually a problem on the scale that some believe it is. It certainly happens, but it's no different than an incorrectly installed link bearing causing alignment issues on a dual-link suspension...a fluke.
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 @TheRaven: Anecdotal evidence aside, if it was an internet only problem, then I don't think BikeYoke would have succeeded as much as they have.
Specialized wouldn't keep a 100% defective product in their lineup, so I'm not saying all of their bikes are time-bombs. I just think that effectively doubling the length of the shaft/lever arm will exacerbate side loading issues. The neat feature of other company's yokes is that it allows the shock to move in both directions, which would lower side loading.
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 STOKED FOR EDDIE! Going full endurooooooo!
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 So you have to pay for Carbon to get a bottle mount??
Shame because I think the Ali version actually looks better than the carbon
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 Seriously...
Maybe Chris can weigh in an explain the logic here. Mount inside the frame on the carbon...plenty of room...wtf?
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 I wonder if this is just a pre production frame that they didn't bother adding to. With the carbon its got to be molded in.
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 Let's together wish Emi to be strong and courageous.
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 Water bottle mount on carbon, but not on alloy? Unjust, @pivotcycles Frown
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 Well done Eddie
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 So happy for Eddie!
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 Very similar geo overall to the Ibis Mojo HD4, which, coincidentally, also sports DW-link suspension.
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 That last second reminds me of playing Super Smash Bros on N64. Anyone remember what Donkey Kong sounded like when you would fling someone the opposite direction for a KO?
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 So there's at least one M.L. that would like to have a Pivot on test. He's been seduced by boing and soon will be more frequently uplifted.
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 Slippery gypsy, that Eddie chap.
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 Colour me silver, I'm happy with aluminum.
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 Would there be any frame only options?
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 Who put the tyres on in that last picture?! Eurghhhhhh!
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 More pressing question is, who is drilling valve holes and doing rim graphics? Tire is clearing mounted directly centering Maxxis with valve stem - which is offset at end of Reynolds decal???
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 @Jaylynx: Seriously? Would anyone have noticed if rear wheel was rotated anticlockwise a couple of cm? Plus there's a photographic perspective effect. Valve is right between the Xs. Punt! You too Boro.
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 I think this was a tire video. Tires with way too much air in them. Or a rim sticker video. I’m not really sure.
Coulda been a “safety video” as those blokes scared me riding without knee pads.
But they’re probably enduro specific riders anyway.
  • + 1
 I think its a mistake to only spec the top Aluminum frame with Eagle drivetrain.
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 Shot Eddy! What a steal for Pivot. Love the new blue frame!
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 Anyone want to buy an old mach 6?????? Any takers? Any.......
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 Finally sorted out the reach. 414 in a large was insane.
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 OMG a Pivot that fits me!
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 They were plagued by slack seat tubes...
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 So happy my LBS is a Pivot Dealer!!!
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 ok ok ok, seriously it's 2017 and bikes are still being designed with cable routing under the bb.....when are these bikes ever going to evolve from that?
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 All of Pivot's bikes are drop dead sexy Drool
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 @pivotcycles frame only option? Float X2 option? PLEASE!
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 Both frame and X2 options are available
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 "Same same, but different."
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 wAIT FOR IT THE NEW ``MEDIC EDITION`` WILL BE COMING SOON
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 What is that tiny fender on the shock supposed to be doing?
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 its use to help setting sag .
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 thats some nice ocean fill
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 Pivot please update the 429 Trail next. I'm hoping for a proper XL.
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 Have you ridden a 429T in XL? They don't ride or feel as the numbers suggest.
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 Alu firebird pls
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 Why is that brake caliper partly white?
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 Congrats Eddie! Cheers and best of luck!
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 why is this thing so close to the firebird? What are they thinking?
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 Plenty of us where 170 is overkill. Personally I've been waiting for a proper reach Mach 6 for 3 years. It's this or the HD4 for me.
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 Where's the long-term review my dudes?
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 Lovely bikes
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 Go Eddie!!!
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 I am wondering if- at any point- Pivot will start making good looking bikes.
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