Video: Pivot Phoenix Development

Oct 29, 2014
by Pivot Cycles  
Views: 10,639    Faves: 31    Comments: 2



Mentions: @pivotcycles @bernardkerr @micaylagatto @EliotJackson




99 Comments

  • 33 1
 definetly one of the most improved brands in the last couple of years.
  • 11 1
 "Blah blah blah FAST, blah blah blah FAST, blah blah blah FAST ENDURO"
  • 5 2
 plus the video was 4:20
  • 28 6
 is it normal for the back rim and tire to move sideways like that or is the rim bent?
  • 30 25
 It's flex in the wheel from the cornering/impact forces. Happens to all bikes especially ones going that fast.
  • 25 8
 If you pause at exactly 4:20 you can see the rim is split. Cool
  • 39 2
 That wheel shown at 3:41 is absolutely destroyed, if you pause at the end when the wheel is close to camera you can see a massive crack in it.
  • 4 2
 Pivot team are on Reynolds carbon wheels apparently....
  • 23 2
 @maxlombardy.... I don't think u realized what u did there
  • 12 2
 Oh he fully realizes
  • 10 13
 If you're thinking about the fort william shot towards the end, yes, it's bent. Otherwise, yeah, there's a ton of flex, the forces are high and the parts, at the end of the day, quite thin. But you need flex, otherwise the bike would just kill you through the harshness (think hardtails).
  • 5 4
 @backyardfreerider Come on bro Cool
It really is at 420 though! Just a happy coincidence...
  • 3 1
 Haha I gotchu @maxlombardy
  • 8 5
 why did @spudlord get down voted? all he did was give a answer
  • 10 8
 Because the answer was incorrect
  • 3 1
 And that video has what exactly to do with the integrity of his wheels?
  • 3 1
 If you guys ever get the chance to ride Fort William, then you'll understand why his wheel is like that.
  • 1 1
 Does anyone know what CAD program that guy was using?
  • 3 0
 Solidworks Dude, quality bit of software :-)
  • 1 0
 Catia is where its at.
  • 15 0
 This dh weighs less than my xc bike... i might need an upgrade
  • 4 1
 uh yeah... how old is your bike anyways? Smile

props for lugging around a 31lb + XC bike, but go to your LBS man... they've got full sus XC bikes down to around 20 lbs at this point.
  • 14 0
 2014. it's pretty low end. but hey it's not the bike it's the rider.
  • 7 0
 nothing wrong with that... as long as you're having fun...
  • 8 0
 This dh bike weighs less than my dh bike. Sweet just found an excuse to upgrade!
  • 16 2
 Just my opinion, but i think that's the best looking dh bike of all time
  • 20 12
 I can't say I'm a fan of intentionally using a bumper against the carbon frame (or any material frame for that matter) as a means of end stroke tuning.....that just screams bad idea to me. Everything else seems pretty dang nice though.
  • 16 1
 The bumper isn't for end stroke tuning. He's saying in a nice way that It's for shocks that bottom harshly or if a shock fails. The bumper will save the frame from catastrophic damage in the case that a shock shaft breaks - such as the double barrels on the demos (also a clevis driven shock).
  • 3 1
 I was assuming, or at least hoping, his "end stroke tuning" line was actually a very dry joke, so my post was intended to be just as dry.

That said, a frame should never bottom out on itself unless the shock actually blows itself to pieces as you noted. A shock at full bottom out (no matter what shock) should NEVER cause members of the frame to bottom out on each other for obvious reasons.

Also, I find it kind of funny you point out clevis driven shocks as a failure example. While I personally haven't seen these failures, it really doesn't surprise me that there are issues with them. Fastening an extension to the shock inherently increases side loading and the shocks tendency to buckle (note: the driving factor in the Euler column formula, for example, is length).
  • 2 1
 Spacers on an air fork. And i'm no shock pro... but doesn't that just mean you're shock has too much travel and isn't properly set up for the bike? thats why they come in different lengths yes?
  • 2 0
 @TFreeman It's air chamber spacers, they don't reduce travel, they reduce the volume in the air chamber, which therefore modifies the suspension curve and bottom out resistance on the fork. The new Pike is a prime example of the use of these, with their "Bottomless Tokens". Same thing can be applied to air shock like the Vivid Air or the Fox Float X.

@klopp as p2rida said, it's not for tuning but more in case of very harsh bottoming or catastrophic failure of the rear shock. The Fox RC4 on the Phoenix is specifically tuned for the bike, if you we're to swap it out for another shock of your liking, the bumper is there in case that shock is not tuned properly for the bike, therefore reducing the risk of damaging anything.
  • 1 0
 true. it was late at night... and i wasn't thinking. i have a pike... and i even used spacers for a short while. but i'm still wondering, wouldn't that just be an ill fitted shock?
  • 1 0
 No on the contrary, the spacers are there to furthermore allow adjustability of the rear shock. By decreasing the volume in the air canister, the shock will ramp up more quickly at the end of its travel, resisting harsh bottom-outs while still providing small-bump compliance in the top of its travel.
  • 2 1
 They could have designed the frame around 26" wheels but later switched to 27.5" after the mold was finished...hence the "high tail saddle" and the "rear bumper stop" on the upper linkage. Makes you wonder...
  • 13 4
 Is internal routing necessarily a good thing on a DH bike? I thought sometimes you need to swap a brake quickly.
  • 14 1
 It protects the cables and looks cleaner. There are drawbacks, like the one you mentioned, though.
  • 23 3
 I dont think swapping brakes is such an issue now that they have become so much more reliable. maybe 5 years ago? or if you own avids. he he he
  • 12 0
 That bike is literally so fucking sweet....
  • 6 0
 I had a saint lever die on me in a race run, know how gwin feels
  • 2 0
 There are always 'trade off's' internal cables is one of them... nice and tidy but a pia to switch out. Big wheels is another, they roll over fast, but you get considerable flex and a lot of time in the truing stand... take a look at buds rear 3:45
  • 6 1
 always appreciate a well timed avid burn
  • 3 1
 unless the hydraulic line is what's broken, you can disconnect the lever and caliper from the hydraulic line and leave it in place. I've done this before on my bikes and it works perfectly.
  • 3 5
 Internal cable routing is the worst thing to ever happen to mountain biking.
  • 2 2
 well, what about Avids?
  • 1 0
 I can see only one advantage of the cable routing: -the looks. I believe that it can have a positive aero effect on road racing bikes, but I don't understand it on DH bikes. The maintenance of it is a clear disadvantage. On this bike you could have neat and clean routing on the top of the botom tube and the maintenance would be so simple.
  • 3 2
 Also, try putting a number plate on that cable routing that comes out midway up the headtube. Better yet, look at the clips in the video. Bernard and Eliot both have mush their cables up above the plate, putting a huge crease in the shifter housing. You know, cause that's good for performance.
  • 2 0
 I feel like I wouldn't have to mess with my avids after I put them on but having to seperate housing from lever or caliper is a pain. I like clean and fast swaps.
  • 9 3
 Hm... How is the carbon layup engineered? By the manufacturers? As far as i can see, the models are just solids in Solidworks(?), so they don't have any fabric data in them?
  • 3 0
 They are using another software for FEA and layup optimization maybe?
  • 4 0
 I'd assume they use solid works more for the dimension-ing and then when they have the shapes down they contact their material engineers and get told "No.... you can't do that, the hell are you thinking?" and we mechanical engineers get pissed that they can make the holy grail material we're looking for.
  • 1 0
 Well Solidworks does handle layered materials where you make a thick part, say 'it has x layeres' where you input the thickness and orientation (and properties) for each layer.
  • 7 0
 Under 31 lbs!!! Rediculous, my am bike weighs 3 lbs more than that!
  • 5 1
 Sub 31 lbs spec'd with enve everything, and tubeless haha
  • 6 0
 Did they mention the part where you have to re-mortgage your house in order to buy this..
  • 5 0
 7400 for a top of the line build and bike almost as light as full carbon xc frames, and 3 year frame warranty. Price seems pretty reasonable to me. For an extra couple pounds however I would probably go for the new Commencal V3, build kits not quite as nice but 3700 bucks you cant complain.
  • 4 1
 At least it isn't Santa Cruz Carbon "Sell your Soul and First Born" expensive.
  • 1 0
 You got that right....
  • 2 0
 @TFreeman You nailed it man.
  • 3 0
 My question is : Why the pivot team use X-Fusion suspension (front & rear) as their suspension sponsor while he said they "they might not be has the same progressiveness as the fox shocks".

The point is.

This bike is like Emma Watson of the DH bike.
  • 1 0
 They said not all shocks may be... Its a world cup team, I am pretty sure their suspension is tuned for the frame and for their liking.
  • 1 0
 I'm with you dude.
Still, why did he say that?
It's better not to say that in term to sell your new product.

(some) people would think the way the beast from this bike to come out is use fox shocks.
CMIIW.
  • 6 0
 This bike is handsome
  • 4 0
 nice to see brands pushing the limits. i think it's gonna push the all dh instustry for race light specific bike.
  • 3 0
 That is one clean, sweet looking bike!
  • 3 0
 it's sexy that's for sure
  • 3 6
 what's not sexy is the bored, disinterested voiceover. sounds like the guy at the DMV... NOT getting me stoked as much as the visuals.
  • 7 0
 That's Chris Cocalis, the owner of pivot cycles. He doesn't need hype, he just builds some of the best bikes out there.
  • 1 0
 Chris needs a Redbull... and maybe someone to be honest with him regarding his presentation skills. He created the bike, whatever, that's fine... but presentation is EVERYTHING.
  • 3 0
 holy goodness look at that wheel!!!!!! @3:40!!!!
  • 1 0
 ?????? did it change ?????
  • 3 1
 Dropper post routing…. 650b... thought for a sec I wasnt watching a video on a dh bike anymore...
  • 2 0
 I guess DH bikes re becoming more and more enduro
  • 3 1
 Did anyone else notice how beat up that rear wheel was at 4:00???
  • 1 0
 Fort William has a habit of doing that! prototype carbon rims or not!
  • 1 0
 I don't think carbon gets dents like that
  • 1 0
 yep that's not a dent wolf, its much worse than that. it's a cracked rim with the spokes and tire holding everything in place Wolf!
  • 1 0
 No shit! Wow...
  • 2 1
 Can't wait for my frame to arrive Smile ... I'll make a dope bike check video shredding hard as I can.
  • 1 0
 anybody else see that horrible hop in the wheel towards then end of the video???
  • 3 0
 Want, so badly.
  • 3 1
 if it has a pressfit bottom bracket im gonna be sad Frown
  • 1 0
 Great bike and interesting watch, but why use some one with a mono-tone voice to do the voice over on it... boring!!!
  • 2 0
 that's typically american dude
  • 2 0
 right knee pad on ankle at 3:08
  • 1 0
 This video has been out o the Pivot website for some time now. PB seems a bit slow on the draw here?
  • 2 0
 Great bike!
  • 2 0
 Sick lookin ride.
  • 1 0
 The clip at 2:02 is some very nice riding. Looks like a fun course
  • 1 0
 nice design, awesome development, so how much?
  • 1 0
 Awesome bike, absolutley loved it, the wheel at 3:41 was destroyed Smile
  • 2 2
 Short chainstays? Who are they kidding? Even the new glory is shorter.
  • 2 0
 the glory is only .5mm shorter... that is really nothing.
  • 1 2
 439 glory 440 phoenix. That's 1mm it's just a point as to where things are going. 430 to 435 is average and awesome.
  • 1 2
 Glory has always been known for long chain stays
  • 2 1
 Great bike, great video.
  • 1 0
 3:59 Smile
  • 1 0
 4:00 horee shiat
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