Pinkbike Poll: Do You Want a Doubleheader or One Main Event?

Jul 2, 2021
by Henry Quinney  
We will be back for more with round 2 on Saturday

During the Covid-affected 2020 season the UCI Downhill World Cup had merely two race locations - but four events. That trend has now come across to the EWS, with last week's race in Val di Fassa, Italy, having two races. The first was a midweek affair and the second a two day event that was held over the weekend.

Jesse Melamed looking to pick up where he left of in 2020
Seeing the best riders is the world is always exciting, irrespective of how well they know the stages.

I love watching racing so I'm glad to see more of it. In downhill we sometimes only get half a dozen elite World Cup races a year to watch. I'd gladly take double the racing, even if it meant a slight readjustment to what I'm expecting. I think it's a good way to make an event organizer's money go further.

After all, other sports have transitioned from weekend events to midweek showdowns so why shouldn't downhill? With the recent cancellation of the Fort William World Cup, another DH doubleheader has been added to the calendar in Snowshoe, West Virginia, with a mid-week race followed by the usual weekend racing.

Luca Shaw will look to shut down his team mates tomorrow and if not just join in the Syndicate podium party.
The doubleheader format gave us very exciting racing in Portugal in 2020.

On the other hand, following mountain biking, downhill in particular, can be very time consuming. If you feel like you can't watch the first half of races due to other commitments, will that mean you're less likely to tune in for Sunday's race? It can seem a little anti-climatic with the midweek race almost becoming a warm up for the real thing. I think the format could be in jeopardy of diluting the excitement.

I believe the downhill races work well with course alterations and, although it's a long way before the EWS racers know their race stages anywhere near as intimately, any chance of stage overlap doesn't feel in keeping with what a lot of us consider enduro to be. I don't know how much difference an extra run will make but I think part of the draw of the EWS is the need of riders to expect the unexpected. Then again, maybe it could help balance out the hometown advantage a little bit. But what do you think? Do you want the doubleheader to become a regular occurrence?

Do you like a two-race event?



Will you prioritse one race over the other to follow?



What is the biggest drawback of double headers?



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74 Comments
  • 75 4
 Biggest drawback for doubleheaders isn't listed on that poll. DH racing is hard. Crashes in training are frequent, and while not everybody is going into finals beat to hell, it is difficult physically - chances of large injury or riding injured seems higher in a double header format.
  • 2 1
 Like the original UFC fights back in the day where whoever was fresh would win 98% of the time. Someone would get injured and the "new" guy would almost always win and be the ULTIMATE FIGHT CHAMPION...

then the next time when he came back to defend his title he'd get his butt kicked in 5 seconds... Smile
  • 14 0
 Financially easier for privateers to do double headers but the resorts will lose out on viewers mid week. Those ticket sales help put on the events.
  • 5 0
 Good point. I'll add this as an option. Thanks.
  • 4 0
 Not to the same extend, but it does kinda go for two weekends back to back racing. It is tough on riders either way. That said, well before covid I was impressed BMX racers could pull it off. Especially the winners do a good couple of heats so to have that two days back to back seems tough. Especially as piling up at these speeds can be painful too. But yeah if it can work there then it could work equally well in DH. Still, I'm not a fan. Rather have the riders do the 4X race one day and then the DH the next day, just like how things were before Goldstone was born.
  • 1 1
 I think they did ask this, "Athletes running the risk of injury or fatigue and missing rounds" is the last option.
  • 2 0
 Currently that is true, but if they can increase the number of races in a season it would be much more worth while for riders to play their runs a little bit safer to play the long game. Right now there are so few races that the riders have to go all out as there are aren't many opportunities.
  • 1 2
 Isn't it the last point listed
  • 51 0
 Just host them a week a part. Problem solved.
  • 4 0
 True, i 2nd this !
  • 5 0
 I thought about that last year after the first one and everyone saying it was tiring. Two weekends in a row at a sick track would be awesome and let everyone freshen up better in between
  • 3 0
 I don't get why they wouldn't host them a week apart. I mean we see back to back weekends at two different venues so why not? It would feel a lot more like two separate races.
  • 5 1
 @Bob-Agg: possibly because they make no or negative money from hosting a WC, which is therefore more of a promotional tool. Two weekends in a row eats into actual revenue from normal visitors and adds very little in terms of exposure for the resort. IMHO.
  • 3 0
 @Bob-Agg: probably easier for venue rental/volunteer/team costs to not have people sit around for a full 10 days.
  • 3 1
 F1 is doing it. Even better for mtb, because many courses can be slightly altered.
  • 3 1
 I was going to say the same thing. A week apart at the same mountain helps the resort and gives the racers a few days off without travel. And both races are on the weekend where online viewing will probably be a little higher.
  • 1 0
 Here here!
  • 3 0
 Please don’t, that makes my semi-local Leogang unavailable for two whole weeks.

Even if the the park was technically open in between the races, half the parking is taken, it’s crowded and other tracks will lose on maintenance.

I love DH racing, but my preferred method is watching online and actually riding my bike.
  • 2 0
 It's a great idea but I think the costs would be too high
  • 24 0
 #1 drawback for the snowshoe doubleheader is that I am unsure how I can handle being hammered drunk screaming for two full weeks.
  • 8 1
 Then do it for the children.
  • 2 0
 just send it bro
  • 5 0
 Start training now.
  • 2 0
 @fruitsd79: if you see a drunk guy with a vuvuzela screaming at old ladies picking out their bananas at the grocery, don’t worry, it just me “training”.
  • 21 1
 Drawbacks?: Athlete recovery and injury. I'd like to see all racers performing at their best, and staying healthy. I think doubleheaders may cause a bit more fatigue and I don't want to see that become a hindrance to any athlete's performance. Although, I know there is a major case for the 'travel and logistics' fatigue that can happen when traveling from one event to another, so maybe the doubleheaders offset that?

I'd be curious to know how the racers would answer these questions.
  • 6 3
 Dealing with fatigue is part of their performance
  • 2 1
 what's the average length of course - 3-4 min? We're not talking back to back marathons. I think a world cup athlete can recover from that in a day or two if they didn't have a bad crash. And what about those poor privateers - you can't travel to all these races - what if you have a minor technical issue? So much better to come back the next day and give 'er again.
  • 12 0
 More racing is cool, but I'd like to see more venues AND more races, in both EWS and DH. When there's only a handful of races, racing seems very euro-centric, but once COVID is over there will be no reason we can't have more locations around the globe, and I find that more interesting than the same track that people know super well.
  • 5 1
 I would also love to see more racing. But I think there's a lot of reasons why we can't have more locations all over the globe.

* limited appropriate terrain
* few are venues capable of hosting (e.g., terrain and facilities)
* even fewer capable venues are willing to host
* travel costs associated with going "all over the globe"
* only so many weeks in the year to plan and the organizers are humans who can only do so much within that time
  • 4 0
 @pmhobson: it's really the UCI limiting the places that can host, because they charge so damn much
  • 2 0
 Season needs at least 2 more stops. And 3 month gap be seasons max. Early, north America leg as springs hits.
  • 5 0
 @me2menow: Probably the biggest problem. Whatever they're charging host venues, is too much. We should be seeing 12-15 events in a season, whether that is XC, Or DH.

Saying that, I thought last season the double headers worked, both in XC & DH. Surely 2-4 venues could do this?
  • 1 0
 @me2menow: It makes sense that the UCI's fees would play a part. But do have reliable info as to how much less the UCI could reasonably charge? Are fees solely for what I would loosely describe as "sanctioning and licensing"? Or does the UCI play a larger, boots-on-the-ground role?
  • 1 0
 @jrocksdh: Does a 3-month gap work for the athletes? Rest, surgeries, and recoup are a big part of their annual training/racing cycles. Another concern I would have is that too long of a season might pull some of fans' favorite multi-discipline MTBers away from the sport.
  • 1 0
 @pmhobson: I dont know the exact details, I just know that the EWS has been successful at booking new venues across the world. I imagine the infrastructure needs cant be too different.
  • 8 0
 A double, triple header, no matter, I'm mainly wishing to see some new or at least different tracks year after year. Bring back a WC in Champéry for instance!!! DH is not like F1 I think: the organization could adapt some more "confidential" tracks to WC rounds. Don't you think so? I mean: does UK only have Fort William to propose, Canada MSA and the US Snowshoe?? I don't know, it's just a wish Smile
  • 2 0
 Venues have to put together a bid to the UCI to host a race. It's expensive and venues often run at a loss. I'd love to see more races in new places, but for a lot of venues it's just not viable.
  • 2 0
 @commental: You're completely right... unfortunately. Thanks for your comment. Cheers!
  • 7 0
 Considering the cost and logistical difficulties involved in putting on a DH race, running multiple events at the same venue strikes me as a great way to have more racing (and provide more opportunities for privateers/local racers).
  • 1 0
 Good point. This is how you could have a 15 race season, and the racers would adapt and be a little more conservative like in enduro racing. But running the exact same track 2 races in a row is lame. Gotta make at least a couple changes to the track or race a different track at the same location to keep it interesting.
  • 8 2
 Need to put no drawbacks as an option on that last one. I personally don't see any drawbacks. The teams are there. The riders are there. These riders WANT to race. It gives teams that maybe had a mistake in their run or in their suspension set up a chance to make adjustments and come back stronger in race 2. Etc. I think the double headers are awesome. I wouldn't want them all to be that way but 1 or 2 a season is awesome. I think a couple more races in the season is good for the fans and the riders. But that's just me.
  • 1 0
 100% this. but maybe 3 or 4 a season would be awesomer.
  • 4 0
 It'd rather see more unique venues but I'll take what I can get so I'm not about to complain about double headers. It's all fun to watch. If anything I wish they would expand into more places, think of all the cool racing that could be done in South America. Maybe also add a western US dh race too.
  • 4 1
 Given the range of tracks available at all of these venues, I think the only reason to continue a double-header format is if there are TWO DIFFERENT tracks raced. I don’t care if one isn’t as steep, or if the video feed isn’t as good on the early race (drones will partially solve this logistical nightmare). It’s stupid to race the same track twice and only change one or two corners. If the flagging/tape completely changed between races I might be ok with limited double headers, but I see this as an opportunity for venues to have more than one DH track for WC level races.
  • 6 0
 We just want more racing events, whatever it takes.
  • 1 0
 Double headers are great but I think people like them because there's more racing and not necessarily because they're back to back. While logistically it's probably hard to host more than 8 races a season, it sure would be nice to see more racing over such a long season
  • 2 1
 It might be OK for DH (even though your essentially watching the same race twice) but for enduro it definitely isn't right. This is because much of the skill in Enduro is in not knowing the course inside-out and by racing a double header the athletes will have at least 3 opportunities to ride each stage. Double headers make Enduro too much like DH and it looses its distinction as a separate discipline.
  • 1 1
 nah - 2nd race might even be more competitive.
  • 2 0
 @trillot: It might, but my point is that a double header EWS will favour a different sort of rider who studies a course closely and gets specific lines dialled in (like DH) rather than a more intuitive racer who has to adapt to a course they know less well (as Enduro has been in the past.)
  • 1 0
 Isn't the biggest draw back lack of location variety? Each location can prepare and set one track for the race, and that variety of courses and builders adds to the challenge of riding at an elite level. It's a world series, there should be venues globally, not a limited selection of venues. Which would anyone prefer. All races at one location or one race per location?
  • 1 0
 also, if Enduros had 5 stages, event 1 could be stages 1,2,3,4 and event 2 could be stages 5,3,2,1 - slightly shorter races would lesson fatigue, different stages (dependent on weather and trail degradation after first event) and order would make things interesting and feel less like simply repeating.
  • 1 0
 Or do what they do in the WRC - and repeat stages. Stages 1, 2 in the morning, then repeat in the afternoon. Then the next time do stages 3,4, repeated in the afternoon?
  • 2 1
 Assuming we are talking about a single weekend-ish of racing, I think another drawback is that the racer winner doesn’t get to lavish in their victory. Imagine putting in the hard hard work for training and actually winning the first race. Then two days later, it’s yesterday’s news. Seems unfair to the racers for me. To a degree the fans of those racers as well.

But I sure do enjoy watching a lot of races. There was a couple years where I think there was over a month between some races. That was pretty lame.
  • 2 1
 Personally, I don't find doubleheaders as exiciting as today's race.
Would I like more racing? Sure, but not double, I would say more tracks/more race.

Regarding doubleheaders, look into the race format of WSB championship.(en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superbike_World_Championship).

Just a side note, maybe with more racing (races or doubleheaders), riders could ride more safetly? Meaning, more races, more points, more slack for mistakes/falls/injuries.
  • 1 0
 If they can run more double headers maybe we can get better and more camera locations. The coverage of races is pure shit. There is no reason not to be able to watch full runs in 2021 when even a simple GoPro can live stream. Also more races is just better for the sport with a short season and few races its great to see more events going on.
  • 2 1
 I want to be in Whistler this weekend, but instead I'll be riding the same trails I've ridden 100 times since March of '20. It's not about getting what we want still, is it? But at least we're getting what we need.
  • 1 1
 A double header with one week in between would be the best option. Would give the organisers 2-3 days to change the course and the riders a few days to relax between the races. Also they will have more people watching in the live feed and on location because it's the weekend.
  • 2 0
 considering i'am still drunk from the '19 snowshoe world cup... attending a double header would be too much for my body to handle......
  • 1 0
 I’m going this year, booked the hotel a month or so ago and when I found out it was a double header my liver threatened to go on strike.

In all seriousness, it’s my first time attending a WC race and I’m even more pumped I get to attend 2
  • 2 0
 I couldn’t care less, the guys will race no matter what. Just pay the poor f@£€ers more, if ya uci gona do it
  • 2 1
 I think if the racers were asked, they would race against the worlds best as much as they can. It also keeps costs down and carbon footprint, if that's a concern for people.
  • 3 1
 You can do double, triple, infinite headers, as long as the track changes it's like a different race altogether
  • 1 0
 Agree. There are other disadvantages, but to me racing the same track with the same people within a week is moving towards pointless. It will deiminish the significance of a win at those races and for a series which is supposed to be the pinnacle of the sport it's not really good enough.
  • 2 0
 I just want more. 6 races a year is ridiculous! This is the pinnacle of MTB d@mmit!
  • 1 0
 2 weekends in a row. It would double the amount of races without doubling the cost of fuel and pollution. They could rest up all week and then go at it again.
  • 1 0
 I want a DS race on Friday evening, similar to the short track in XC. Get the top 32 riders battle for some extra points in the overall.
  • 2 0
 Double heads are always nice! Wink
  • 2 0
 Why wasn't triple header listed as an option?
  • 5 4
 Love a doubleheader. Oh hang on, you are talking about races. Ignore me.
  • 1 0
 All of these need an either way is fine option
  • 2 1
 Week apart would be better. Let the athletes rest.
  • 2 1
 I dont give af about racing. just ask my filter
  • 1 0
 I just want more! GIVE ME MOOOOOOORRREEEE!







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