Poll - How Clean is EWS Racing?

Oct 13, 2017
by Mike Levy  
Bicycle racing has been dogged by doping throughout its history, with accounts of substance use going as far back as Tour de France racers employing nitroglycerine, ether, strychnine, and even amphetamines to dull the suffering of massive days on the bike and improve performance from the early 1900s to later in the 1940s when a half-hearted stance against doping began to form. That's road racing, though, a place where performance-enhancing drugs are much more of an endemic problem than in our world of singletrack and fat tires... right? Sadly, that's far from being the case.

Unfortunately, cross-country racing also has a past that's littered with dopers, and while the UCI does test racers from both the cross-country and downhill disciplines, history has shown that it hasn't been that difficult to fool the system. Enduro racing isn't overseen by the UCI, however, and Enduro World Series racers are currently not screened for any performance enhancing drugs on a regular basis, especially out of competition. That'll change in 2018 when the EWS says that they'll kick off their own testing program, although I'd like to think that none of the racers will be caught doping because, well, none of them are doping.

Doping is a human problem, not a drug problem, and as soon as you put a bunch of humans on bicycles, all competing in one of the most demanding forms of racing, and one that also lacks a serious and established testing protocol, the chances are decent that some aren't abiding by the "spirit of enduro racing.'' After all, it's no secret that some racers have been known to prefer the odd 'alternate line' that may or not be considered cutting the course. If a select few racers are willing to cut out parts of the track to improve their results, I don't doubt that some might also not have a moral issue about powder, fluid, or patch that could make them stronger or recover quicker.

Below, Cedric Gracia weighs in with his thoughts on doping in mountain biking, and particularly when it comes to enduro racing.


bigquotesIt's the kind of stuff that I don't really want to know, but I would say that definitely some people would take the chance. It's all about competition in life, and I think people are ready to do the big mistake. People don't think twice about that kind of stuff, just for a little moment of glory.Cedric Gracia on doping

The Enduro World Series does currently have an anti-doping policy of sorts, found on page 18 of their rule book, that states: ''The Enduro World Series organizers and EMBA will respect and assist any National Cycling Federation operating anti-doping controls at Enduro World Series events,'' which I take to mean that they've depended on the host country's cycling federation to run doping controls. They also take a hard stance against any racer with a shady past, saying ''... any cyclist, regardless of cycling discipline, who has previously been found guilty by any court or regulatory body of any use of or involvement with banned, performance-enhancing drugs will not be entitled to compete or take part in any Enduro World Series event.'' That's a hard - and welcome - stance against those who have previously broken the rules.

Doom and gloom notwithstanding, the upside to the Enduro World Series' relatively blank slate when it comes to testing and doping, as well as their independence from the UCI, is that the series could employ a much stricter protocol when that time does come. More on that down the road, though. So while we may not want to think about our EWS heroes or pack fodder using performance-enhancing and banned drugs, today's poll question tackles exactly that. Weigh in on the poll and tell us your thoughts in the comment section.

What do you think the chances are that some EWS racers are doping?

Do you believe that some EWS racers are taking performance enhancing drugs?



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  • 106 1
 Given the field of competitors and the number of forms of doping, the odds are simply in favour of somebody doing something that is considered doping, even if that number is minimal and the doping limited.
  • 13 1
 Even if they dont realize it, its such a broad scope under WADA (or whoever we are referring too) and all that on what really is illegal. I bet half the guys are doing something legal but just dont have the right paperwork in for prescription drugs, Like adderall
  • 191 49
 Doping in cycling is an idiotic idea, in mainstream sports nobody gives a fk. You go down hard on Superbowl or NBA match, they get you to the side and inject you with cortisol if there's even a tiniest chance you can go back. You get steroids to heal injuries, it's official. In cycling they don't even allow 30yr olds to take Testosterone to restore levels from being 21-26. At the same time the level of legal sht you have to pump yourself with to stay on some level of the game in road racing or even xc is fkd up. The level of the sport is so high, athletes train so much and so hard that their bodies cannot function without a sick cocktail of fully legal supplements. Try to take a caffeine shot pro roadies get before each race. It may make you find 3 cans of Monster Energy as a rather weak dosage. The problem is always the development of ANY sport to the levels where human body cannot cope with amount of strain without artificial help. The only cheater here is a person who cheats himself, believing in some higher values and morals that sports theoretically bring. Well, beyond average level, most sports do more harm than good to human body, healthy lifestyle is a bullsht. Above certain level, sports simply become an entertainment and money making commercial machines.
  • 49 3
 @WAKIdesigns: I agree. At the highest level of cycling doping is more to enhance your body's ability to recover and be ready to go again the next day (think TdF stage racing). The better you are at keeping yourself on that performance edge, the better you will perform.

I recall reading an article in Outside magazine where the author went on a pro roadie style doping regime of Cortisol, HGH, Testosterone and IGF-1, and he said it was so life changing he ended up staying on the majority of the meds after the article. His hair grew back, he threw out his glasses because he could see again, he said it was insane.
  • 9 7
 @WAKIdesigns: You are 100% correct man.
  • 26 31
flag WAKIdesigns (Jul 28, 2017 at 8:18) (Below Threshold)
 @ScandiumRider: I am deeply interested in picking up Testosterone Replacement Therapy. I read an article from a journalist dude who was taking testosterone in amateur racing and then admitted to be doing it. But just as he did, a body builder I know, said it has dimishing returns and has to be well controlled. Otherwise it turns you into an aggressive and paranoid monkey. But I will be looking for ways to get into TRT in my town
  • 43 5
 @WAKIdesigns: as it is my job to deal with that stuff on a daily basis as a (soon to be) urologist, I might just give you the simple advice: don't do TRT. I would not consider it myself in the foreseeable future, maybe it's different when I'm 60 and overweight but now: 100% not knowing the scientific literature.

On the topic: the big difference between road racing / cross-country skiing /etc and Enduro is that your result in the first named sports are mostly dependent on your endurance, which can be dramatically increased by doping. Doping might help you a bit in Enduro (just as it does in Soccer eg) but not to a point where I'd say it's necessary to cheat to win. I doubt Sam Hill cheated. And who told you that nonsense about extremely high caffeine doses? cmon...
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns: that ppl tend not to care about doping in US ball sports historically true, but attitudes in the USA are changing.. health of the athletes, and the demands of the sport on athlete health are important issues that fans and parents of the future players care about... its starting to impact NFL numbers and their future projections... MLB took a big hit to its brand on these issues... they all know that they need to ease into some solution before the results of the games lose meaning in the eyes of the fans...
  • 22 23
 @MatthewCarpenter: high caffeine doses, I cannot tell you who told me, in 3 years after the person in question retired I might. Also many non-endurance sports can be and are improved by doping. Particularly blogging, youtube channeling among body builders/ nutritionists.

@eriksaun - As the movie "Icarus" shows, very few people in anti doping agencies are interested in decreasing doping, they are interested in increase profits of people who corrupt them. Power corrupts. Take it as read. Cycling is simply the place where they can show how concerned they are about doping. Compared to soccer or NFL, it's a tiny sport. A perfect scape goat. Just like secondary and retired athletes of any kind. People who get caught, who get tested positive are people who can't generate money, they are a show off that WADA, USADA works, not how it works. A superstar athlete will never test positive in the height of their career. They can juice as much as they want

What I meant is that the system is a joke. One where majority of viewers are at least semi aware that it's a joke but they want to be cheated. All we need is an illusion of truth, the actual truth is not attractive by any means and we follow those spectacles mainly for entertainment not to perform an exercise in morality. Cheap thrills mate. It's all about cheap thrills
  • 6 0
 @ScandiumRider: I read that Outside article as well "I couldn't be more Positive" . I raced road for years from my teens into my 30's and it amazed me to find several people using all kinds of banned stuff to improve their results.
These were guys that got nothing for their results except maybe a few dollars or parts so for me it made no sense.
  • 3 1
 I'd like to think that any doping activities would be flagged by someone or other in the paddock. It's not like road racing where every f*cker was (is?) doing it and it's treated like a state secret with politics and dinero keeping everyone in check. Surely the majority of clean riders is sufficiently huge for it to be impossible not to stand out from the crowd if you're on one (ok, there's the off-season argument to consider too...). Plus there isn't enough money in it to warrant the risks. Is there? I'd love to be right, but this is a f*cked up world... remember that vid of the top guy at the time flying up one of the climbs and absolutely vaporizing the guy in front of him at an EWS round last year or the year before? There was debate at the time and it sure makes you think... Without testing, do we have to assume the worst?
  • 18 26
flag ShreddieMercury (Oct 13, 2017 at 12:49) (Below Threshold)
 Michael Jordan had a ball and a court....many of the "pro" cyclists are rich kids to start with. Not all of them, but a lot.
  • 13 1
 @WAKIdesigns: wada is a joke. james stewart was banned from racing for 16 months by FIM based on WADA regulations for taking perscription Adderall but not having the right form submitted on time.
  • 4 0
 @deadhorse13: agreed. bubba got screwed.
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: But that's a different reason, that team organization and the league has a serious (in millions of dollars) contact they want/need to make the most out of. those top players are making those organizations millions in advertising and deep pockets equal shady practices. it's sad.
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Tell that to Ben Johnson.
  • 8 4
 So true, a clean TdF is a boring one. I loved the Armstrong years. The closest road racing got to a firework display. But then road racing isn't that close to my heart, because it is fundamentally just about watching guys grinding each other down and just endlessly spinning. S&M on tarmac. Anything to relieve the tedium. I'm not watching anymore...
  • 12 1
 @WAKIdesigns: " they don't even allow 30yr olds to take Testosterone to restore levels from being 21-26" What are you saying, Waki? You found the source of your ED?
  • 2 1
 Woops, that was a response to Waki...
  • 6 0
 @BenPea: race radios make it boring af
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns: no one is scapegoating the NFL- thats not what its about... a growing part of the NFL customers group are not happy with the brand... its affecting the bottom line, its going to crush future growth, possibly even cause their fan base to consistently shrink over the next generation, and they are starting to think about how to react without deflecting as they would normally. when they are realizing that they are losing dollars over it, they take it seriously... no international intrigue here... this is a problem of cash money in the NFL's pocket...
  • 3 0
 @DadOfMtbRacer: it makes PERFECT sense. they're competitive people, that's why they race afterall, so they inherently want to be better, faster, etc. so they train hard, they buy nice components and they dope. pretty simple. not saying I would do it, not saying its worth it for an amateur. but its obvious why they do it.
  • 2 1
 @deadhorse13: that seems anything but a joke... if you take that you should have your TUE in place... its a failure of his management to not have that taken care of for him with all the millions at stake... adderall would be a great drug to take in that sport, and in enduro mtb though... what would it look like if we realized that all of a sudden all the top moto guys had ADD and all took adderall?... like a lot of road racers apparently used to have exercise induced asthma.. i mean, that was so weird that asthmatics were so good at cycling!.... who would have thought that??? and they like totally needed albuterol!... at least they had their TUE so we know they arent cheating!
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: got to agree some great drug fuelled TdF years
  • 3 0
 @ShreddieMercury: not true - at least if you're talking about roadies. Lance Armstrong was fairly poor growing up. Same for Tyler Hamilton, and same for Floyd Landis. The guys who see how the sausage is made (ie. all the doping) and quit are the ones who have wealthy families or an actual education to fall back on.
  • 5 11
flag JTrain91 (Oct 13, 2017 at 14:21) (Below Threshold)
 @MatthewCarpenter: lulz...a "soon-to-be" urologist...sooo, a medical student?
  • 2 1
 @deadhorse13: I don't even care for James Stewart but I'd have to agree with you on this one... he got boned.
  • 1 0
 @ScandiumRider:

Um..... yes, please!
  • 10 1
 @MatthewCarpenter:

Phat Matt -> road cycling is more mainstream with more money behind it creating more incentive to dope. Who’s heard of mtb enduro racing outside of cyclists?

And here comes the question, IF EWS continues to grow and get some recognition and money behind it (sponsors, athletes making more $$), how will that affect % of our racers out there doping? Just for discussion.

I like our racers. They don’t seem like d-bags mostly and there seems to be more comraderie than in most other forms of competitive racing. Would hate to think our heroes would get to the point where they feel it’s worth the risk to dope. Let’s show the fkn roadies we’re better than them!
  • 2 0
 @WasatchEnduro: the non-monetary incentives to dope exist at this level... you are right, they only increase from here... one thing i know for sure... racers are racers no matter the bike they are on... so dont worry... as soon as there is financial incentive to do it, they will do it in enduro for that reason too... but i think we have a big opportunity to learn from the mistakes of other cycling disciplines by establishing a strong ethos around fair-play and clean competition...
  • 3 0
 @eriksaun: that's exactly what they're doing in trail running. Trying to nip it in the bud in the sport's infancy. But it requires corporate money cos doctors and admin ain't cheap. Salomon has done it for TR (barring conspiracy theories), who'll step up in enduro?
  • 3 0
 @dtrotter: yes your right. i am competitive but I guess for me knowing it meant nothing to anyone for me to place in a Cat 2-3 race i personally couldn't see the sense, but I agree with you.

In my 50's now and seeing what many friends I know outside of cycling that doped for college sports are dealing with health wise (heart issues)now makes it even more clear that it wasn't worth it.
  • 3 0
 @BenPea: I disagree it was a formality every day Lance did what he needed to do, he was so steady no bad days in three weeks of racing not real he recovered every night to do it again for how many tours five six, no one said anything they were doing the same but not as strong. It was boring as shit to watch.

Now guys have good days and bad days its more of a race not a f*cking chemical parade, not one a*shole beating the shit out of all the other teams.

He had talent no doubt at that level 2% boost is huge, but I think the playing field is "more" even now.
My thoughts.
  • 1 0
 And so its a level playing field, since there isn't testing.
  • 1 0
 @eriksaun: nah, just the those with a mic on the coasts and anti soorts academic types teally care.
Most dont care and just want to be entertained.
  • 12 6
 doping in enduro?


who cares?...........its enduro.

its just a gravity gran fondo anyway

let them dope themselves thru the roof...........
  • 4 8
flag jaame (Oct 13, 2017 at 18:20) (Below Threshold)
 @stacykohut: absolutely agree.

Wads and usada care about staying in jobs.

TUEs are a joke.

The only way to make it fair is stop drug testing and just accept doping.

The main problem I have with it, and with laws in general, is who makes the rules? What if I don't agree with them?

I love America, but I think the Russian Olympics doping case was a joke. It seemed to me like pretty much what the Americans wanted to take was not on the banned substance list, but what the Russians wanted to take was on the list. I guess the Russians didn't write the list. There are hundreds of performance enhancing drugs that are not on the list. Different people have different ideas about what constitutes cheating. One could say that having a better bike gives you an unfair advantage.
  • 3 0
 @MatthewCarpenter:" Doping might help you a bit in Enduro" this may be true but for some rider's just the "maybe" is enough.
  • 1 0
 @ScandiumRider: my recollection of that article is the opposite. The drugs worked so well the author got off then as soon as he could. It was in Outside quite a while ago though I may be mistaken.
  • 4 0
 Anyone seen the doc "Icarus" that is currently on Netflix? Go check it out if any of the following interest you:
doping in cycling
state sanctioned doping
state ordered murder

The documentary is chilling.
  • 4 11
flag WAKIdesigns (Oct 13, 2017 at 22:27) (Below Threshold)
 @stacykohut: because Alpine skiing is soooo noble. A sperm skis down the hi... I'm sorry, down the piste, and a big bunch of snobs in Whistler, Aspen, Chamonix or St.Moritz get a chance at a hard on.
  • 9 1
 @WAKIdesigns: huh?

have you been smoking too much lebanese blonde hash again?

stay on target there dude......bikes/dope/enduro.

nobody said anything about any winter activities or such.
  • 1 0
 @garrettstories: I watched it and loved it.

Ever watch “Bigger, Stronger, Faster?” I think it brings up some valid points as to the regulation of performance enhancing drugs.
  • 1 1
 @garrettstories: i say there is a connection between igor dostal disappearing and the russian doping scandal.
the dates align with the scandal breaking in mainstream news and his sudden and mysterious disappearance.

when it went down and went public, igor literally disappeared from the face of the earth.


i never really read igor as the suicidal type either.
  • 4 0
 @Someoldfart: one of my fave articles of alltime................



www.outsideonline.com/1924306/drug-test?page=all


he makes hgh sound amazing.
  • 4 8
flag WAKIdesigns (Oct 13, 2017 at 23:11) (Below Threshold)
 @stacykohut: you know what I mean... people who are into Enduro (or any other sport you despise) care as much about your opinion and what makes you tick, as you care about them.
  • 9 0
 @WAKIdesigns: you come with some real shit sometimes.
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: Money us one thing, but it goes beyond that. Amateur athletes and even club riders are taking PEDs--and getting caught doing it. It could be about achievement goals, or status among riding peers, or just wondering how it will feel to be faster. It's understandable from a financial point of view that the EWS has not tested: testing must add a significant amount of cost to running and maintaining testing protocols during a complete season. And if they make up their own protocols, there are people finding the ways to get around them. High level athletes (and their entourages of trainers) MUST always be trying to stay one step ahead of testing methods, plus all of the designer PEDs are designed to be harder and harder to detect. All of this should make everyone question the legitimacy of ANY cycling event, and so many other pro sports. It's a complex issue to be sure, but I feel for all the talented, hardworking athletes that will never stand a chance, or make a career from their passion. Pro sports are scripted event where pharmaceuticals make all the difference, and where an informed audience can either suspend disbelief about the use of PEDs (cheating) or just stop watching.
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns: bikes/dope/enduro

K.I.S.S.
  • 2 2
 @MatthewCarpenter:
I disagree, I think doping can greatly help certain riders : take a high altitude event, with a long pedaling liaison; the effort will reward riders training at high altitude. Therefore a rider that normally trains in whistler or the Californian coast would benefit from a EPO treatment to feel like a rider that lives and trains in Colorado or alps.
  • 1 0
 @PinkyScar: I fear you are correct across the board. Fuelling the ego is as important as fuelling the bank account.
In some sports the disbelief is less powerful and almost veers towards being able to trust the competitors.
  • 1 0
 @JTrain91: it takes a minimum of 6 and usually closer to 10 years post graduate work and study to be qualified as a medical specialist. So if he really is about to be a urologist, then he has been out of med school for quite a while.
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Problem with testosterone replacement is that your body stops producing it's own, and then you're stuck with taking drugs forever. I could see it being useful as an infrequent treatment for recovery after particularly grueling rides, but I don't think you want to try it for too long.
  • 4 11
flag harrybrottman (Oct 14, 2017 at 5:23) (Below Threshold)
 EWS is not even tested by anyone including WADA. Richie Rude and Jared Graves both doped heavily to win their titles.
  • 8 3
 @harrybrottman: sources or GTFO. The only reason you can run away with such accusations without a proof is because it's Enduro. Try accusing Sam Hill, Steve Peat or Danny Hart smart arse
  • 1 0
 @Motoracer31: my first thought
  • 1 0
 Motordoping in EWS? Did they use infrared heat detectors to scan bikes?

Ha, motordoping /is/ the newer, safer alternative to drugs. Or perhaps it was, until officials caught on in road/cross racing.
  • 1 0
 @jrocksdh: So, best doctor, and best drug cocktail wins? And private doctors ain't cheap either.
  • 1 0
 Or Lance Armstrong. King of the dopers.
  • 1 0
 @eriksaun: the NFL has beem turned into a political weapon.
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Also as a doctor (General Practioner) I'd give same advice as the urologist - testoterone great idea short term if you don't have any thought for future problems. All good until you get the resultant stroke, heart attack or prostate cancer.
  • 2 1
 Shit I am doping right now. Viva Las Vegas
  • 2 0
 The caffeine shot your are taking about is not that strong. I have tried it. I would say more equivalent to one small Red Bull drank on an empty stomach @WAKIdesigns:
  • 2 0
 Tyler Hamilton was not a poor kid growing up. He is from Marlbehead, MA and attended Holderness school on NH if my memory serves me correctly.
  • 2 0
 @kiwikiter: I would answer this in the same way as I answer my wife when she tells me not to let the tea bag tag fall into the cup "because the ink is carcinogenic".

We are all going to die. If I don't die of cancer I could get hit by a bus. If I don't have a heart attack it could be pneumonia. All are preferable to a long drawn out period of mentally unravelling.

Living for the now a bit more is an acceptable strategy too.
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I can't believe I'm hearing this doping is cheating talk this shit to the people who are working there Asses off not cheating. Your telling all the youth go ahead and cheat everyone does it and you can't win without it. Also maybe work with what you have if your 30 you don't automatically deserve more hormones of a 20 year old unless you naturally do already. If your not in competition than do what you want but don't justify taking drugs to keep up with a 20 year old.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: As a biochemist, go HGH therapy under a doctors supervision. Burns fat, repairs connective tissue, only a slight increase in lean muscle mass so you won't look like a juice head. Only risk is a big one; if you have slow growing malignant cells, they may become fast growing ones.
  • 1 0
 @SlodownU: if i had the disposable income, i would be on hgh for sure.

not even an issue.
  • 1 0
 If we are not great at something, we use our ingenuity to improve. Bikes are a product of this ingenuity. Should we have just accepted we should not move faster than a running pace, and never devised other means of transport?

"Planes are cheating. You should walk and swim to New Zealand for your winter training..."
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: You are correct that in most sports, those who get caught or actually punished are the lower tier athletes that don't generate profits. Although there is one exception in MMA, specifically in the UFC. Suspending Jon Jones at the height of his carrier and notoriety show that the system can work if applied with actual intent to catch people.
  • 3 0
 @zylogue: and it was a penile enhancement pill too!
  • 1 0
 @ScandiumRider: Then had a missive MI at a young age. It'll get you.
  • 1 0
 @stacykohut: Super interesting article. Most interesting part for me is that he stopped in Easton, PA at a convenience store, and I immediately recognized it from the description. That convenience store keeps college students from my small school fueled all night all year!! Wawa for the win!
  • 1 0
 @VTwintips: late night snacks after late night 'doping'?............
  • 3 4
 @zylogue: I think that MMA is a different animal than NFL or Soccer. I am particularly anal about soccer, because I genuinely hate that thing. There are very few other sports that encourage you less to practice and more to violence. It has so many marks of a religion. There's no denying that most of the field is juiced up their ears. Look at it in 80s, they were walking like cattle in the field and make a few sprints sometimes. These days they run most of the time. And then comes Maradona, the God as they refer to him. Oh yea... oooh yea. One pile of bullcrap pumped up by sweat shop clothing makers and piss beer companies. And they have a fkng nerve to shout out some high values like "say no to racism" while there are a few sports that attract more of these idiots and that promote this sort of dehumanizing behavior by generating strong team identity and hive dynamics. They create strong affiliation and membership, then they tell you to sit on your couch and drink beer, or come to a match and shout sht. I Hate soccer to the deepest parts of my bones.

@stacykohut - you are so high in testosterone. You are exceptionally competetitive, hyperactive and arrogant, and then you get butthurt whenever someone mentions doping, which means you are sensitive in that area. You've got a strong jaw line, tall forehead, wide shoulders. I like it.
  • 1 3
 I recommend this interview with Lance

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEfSdPz1WtA
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Hate the business, not the game. You fall in love with football at the age of 6 when you skin your first defender or score your first goal in the park. It's why you see people of all ages turn up in the rain every weekend to kick a ball around with a load of strangers. It's fundamentally so pure and simple. And that is why it appeals so much to the lowest common denominator, which unfortunately has made it easy to turn it into a disgusting multi-billion dollar industry. Moments of beauty away from the bullshit can be found in every football match, but you're right, there's a lot of cheating, simulation, poor officiating, inane interviews, politics, greed, idiot fans, commercial madness, high-level corruption, nationalism, sectarianism, etc. to ignore in order to enjoy it. And if you didn't get on board as a kid, I can see how the good can never outweigh the bad in your mind. How could it?
  • 2 1
 @BenPea: my dad was always pissing in footy when i was growing up. it took me until i was about 27 to realise it's the best game in the world. if you were an alien coming to earth, you would definitely be amazed by the power of it. so simple, so pure. you don't even need a ball, ffs. none of this arguing about if aluminium is still as good as carbon, boost hubs or metric shocks. everyone has to appreciate that, even a football hater
  • 3 1
 @jaame: I loved playing it, I was a goalie. I had great reaction time and I liked throwing myself on the ground. I loved ruining people's dreams, running at me so excited, striking, the ball is flying almost perfectly into the upper corner of the goal, I throw myself and fist it away. And the dude is devastated, he holds his arms against his head, his pulse is 200, the rest of his team is like "god damn it". Or when you catch a ball into your hands, it's so powerful, I wish I was as arrogant back then to show it to the guy afterwards. Ughhhh... it was fabulous. And then your buddies come and they smile at you. I still remember this little dude that used to play in defense with me, he was a shy kid, so many picked on him at school. And he wasn't a good player either, he couldn't really kick the ball right, but he was fkng vicious in defense, he'd rob the best dude from his ball. We two were like a hemorrhoid.

Oooh I loved this... but I hate fkng spectatorship mass masturbation, I genuinely despise anyone with a fkng football team scarf. Having known some hooligans, drinking with them, seeing them beat tge crap out of the toughest doorman in my little town, I'm still fricking disgusted with this brainless activity. If you say you are a football fan, I expect you to at leas play once a month.
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 @jaame: @jaame: 22 millionaires chasing a bag of wind and have to get it in the big square thing and sometimes they cannot even do that in over 90 minutes cheered on, which is arguably, the bottom of the human food chain and only to show up in the office to claim "we won". People kill for football in pubs and on the street. Yeah right its pure and aliens, what are you on? Its almost as funny as Weinstein getting the blame for something so flipping obvious since day one. The best game in the world is life. Go out and enjoy as you can only go every meter once. Why waste something so precious on following the stream. Back to topic. If you have to dope to win you are doing it wrong and just not good enough. You are a bad example to your children and all of those who support you and you should never be allowed to compete in any sport ever again. There is no room for shades of grey. This is a clear black and white subject. And I really appreciated Johnny T's comment: "why should i support my child to get into a sport where I know first hand what happens behind closed doors". Football is the same!!! Where there is too much money people turn bad. Where there is too little money people turn bad. Find a balance. We cannot single handedly change the world, but we can shape our own to be the best we can do.
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 @Keit: doping, like everything in the game of life, is not black and white. We, particularly men, all have a monster within and under certain circumstances it comes out. If you trained all your life, dreamed about succeeding and you realize that you may possibly get what you want, but suddenly you get stack up against people who are 10-20% better than you no mo matter what, you are put against the wall. Everything you dreamed about, turned out to be a scam and you can't do anything else. You can strp back and treat sport as a hobby, but you are in point zero when it comes to earning money, you are worth as much as a drop out junkie kid. I've seen a pro at the sudden and unwelcome edge of ending his career, he was as lost as a kid who's parents died. His family life wasn't pretty at this moment, he gave everyone a really hard time with his own hard time, and he was deep deep dooooown. He sent CV to construction company where he would be standing by the side of the road in a yellow vest and stop the cars or let them go. He was lucky, he got resigned and now rolls with the best of the best, but... that's just the sentence being postponed 3 years. And all those fans, I assure you, they would drive by, recognize him and 90% would despise him. Oh, should he be smarter and invest money, fix himself some side activity? See, this is the prospect, this is the pressure these dudes are faced with, and so many idiots believe that they would like to exchange with them, then they have a fkng nerve to judge them. As if the fact that you follow the sport, maybe bought a drink they advertise, gave you a right to judge them and tell good from evil. As if you owned them by paying them the luxury of your attention.
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 @Keit: A Scottish skier was stripped of his medal at the 2002 winter olympics when he tested positive for a banned substance. It turned out that the Vicks inhaler he bought in the US contained meth amphetamine, the UK version doesn't. He was eventually given a 3 month ban. I know you can argue that he should've checked, but banning him for life? That would be overly harsh in my opinion. It's not always black and white.
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 @metaam: I just placed an order for 500 units on US ebay, it better be true what you are saying!
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 @WAKIdesigns: Haha, I believe it's in such small amounts that you would probably need to ingest all 500 to get any effect, your nose will never be the same again though.
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 @WAKIdesigns: in my profession people are known to cheat and lie. I am one of a few who does not and I am successful, very. It is black and white. We serve as an example for coming generations and quite clearly something is very wrong of late. There are no excuses. I stand by what I have said by example. You come out with some real s£&@t.
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 @metaam: this is a technicality. Especially now it is your responsibility to ensure your choices are correct. It's not fair but when was life ever fair. Tough luck, and unfortunate when there are more cheaters than honest folk about. To quote "I pity the fool"
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 @Keit: No, this is an example to demonstrate that things are never black and white, in my world there are many varying shades of grey. If you really believe there are more cheaters than honest people on this planet then you must have been pretty unfortunate, it really hasn't been my experience.
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 @Keit: Something is very wrong lately? You mean the fact that through improvements in communication and law enforcement, deception gets exposed more and more often while in the past all sorts of cheaters, killers, child molestors were running away with their sht? You mean like when in 90s people doped so fkng hard that they were dying in their sleep due to blood clots? When women in Russian Volleyball team were doped by state in a very particular way: they were getting effectively raped and then they were getting abortion so their bodies were pumped with hormones. Your idea of truth seems to be blinding you. So while you want to serve as an example for the future, you close an eye for the evident sins of the past? Or are you just uninformed? If so, the question is, whether you want or don't want to know. I tell you what's likely about Olympics in ancient Greece - some dudes were getting murdered so that another dude can win. The idea of mass sports is a delusion, why would anyone not cheat a sick system? That rolls on unimaginable commerce and power?

I'll give you a tip, due to inherent characteristics of human nature (that some lunatics call flaws), the duality of most actions, relativity of conclusions, the idea of "one truth" fails any philosophical/ logical evaluation. So while you are fully entitled to entertain that idea, it's no more than your own world view. In my world view, there are very few athletes in the world I sympathize more with than Lance Armstrong.
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 @WAKIdesigns: ha! Killer last sentence! He does come across quite well so far in that interview does old Lance, but I pity others more...
It's really interesting to see people equating football supporters to hooligans. Like all Muslims are terrorists right?
That Baxter incident was pretty sickening. It was an actual miracle that a Scot got a medal at the Winter Olympics and what happens? Proof that god is an Englishman...
@Keit: which political party are you in?
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 @WAKIdesigns: never forget the past or you constantly relive it. There is no excuse for being uniformed nor behaving inapropriately. Especially professionals. Life aint fair. Never was never will be. Yes we have progressed in society both positively and negatively. You claim lance was a scapegoat. How many times did he win the tour? He stood out and got clipped. You are very wrong on this point. There is no excuse. Quote: if you cant do the time dont do the crime. On this point your rhetoric fails you.
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 @BenPea: i dont vote as they represent industry not people. We have plenty example of this. I stand for a modern schooling and education and none of this tripe. I want change. I cannot change the world but stand my ground and try to make my world a better place for children growing now. And you?
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 @metaam: i am not unfortunate. Perhaps more realistic. Human nature is lazy and the easy way. People will always cut corners if they think they can get away with it. It is naiive to think otherwise thus our duty to keep others on the straight and narrow.
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 @WAKIdesigns: actually my testosterone is falling like trump's approval rating, i'm 47 dude.

damn i want some of that hgh though.

roids?
no thanks.
creatine? no thanks

hgh?

hells yeah.

lend me 20 thousand a year?
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 @Keit: I was just trying to guess what line of work you're in, based on your statement regarding your peers being mostly liars and cheats.
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 @BenPea: Poker...
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 What's the point in asking the readership this question?
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 Seriously...while I have always been jaded as far as pro road cycling goes, arguing LA was a cheating bastard long before he was caught, I, maybe naively, thought enduro wasn't the same and didn't require special preparation to compete at the highest level.
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 @ReformedRoadie: Armstrong didn't cheat. He was on a level playing field. He got caught lying but everyone he raced was on the same program.
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 @Grosey: not true, there were some riders during that era that tried to ride clean...and Armstrong basically attacked them for speaking out.
So your take is if everyone is cheating, no one is cheating?
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 Totally agree, as if any of us know...
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 True story indeed. Was he a jerk: yes? Used steroids?: yes! But so many other pro TDF champs kept their trophies unscathed and dopped plenty. @Grosey:
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 @Grosey: that has been THOROUGHLY debunked as the worst illogical argument... they WERE NOT all on drugs... i was a pro rider at that time and i wasnt on drugs... all the top spots were taken up by cheaters to the point that you never could be sure who the top guys really were... many great riders never go the chance to even turn pro because they were clean... so many clean pros never had a chance to make the major placings in the Tour, or could only ever win minor races because of it... Lance and those guys didnt only compete with 10-20 other dopers... there were over 1000 UCI ranked riders at that time... trust me, they didnt all take drugs... lance CLEARLY cheated... he was one among many, but that does not mean he didnt cheat, or that that you can conveniently call the playing field even...
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 @eriksaun: Well said man. Possibly the greatest tragedy of the whole thing is the clean athletes who could have been (were!!!) great, but received no recognition.
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 Readers answer the question and then post comments, then pinkbike go to their sponsor and say "we have a lot of views and comments, give us money" and that's how you get free content
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 @ReformedRoadie: More like it's still cheating, but it's not an unfair advantage.
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 @Mieszko42

Clicks. The reason Pinkbike does anything.
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 @ReformedRoadie: And when everyone is special, no one will be.
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 @Mieszko42,

Let's imagine that in the planning meetings for the 2018 EWS series, the conversation turned to the subject of the whisperings of some people using possibly suspect supplements.

And let's imagine that, since all sports management involves the hugely important concept of image management, the series directors decided that, in order to decide on an appropriate strategy regarding doping in the EWS, and a potential future issue, they wanted to know the extent to which the watching public 'believes' there to be a doping issue....


If I were Chris Ball, I'd pay up and ask the PB crowd exactly the same question.
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 @ReformedRoadie: dude, his team mates turned AFTER they tested positive! They just didnt want to go down alone!
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 @eriksaun: and thats why you didnt make it. You didnt commit.
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 @skelldify: or they got saved from a crap life and went back to school, realized that riding is still great and enjoyed the restnof their lives!
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 Armstrong is a scape goat of a sport that is completely fkd up, particularly Tour De France. There are more cars in race support than riders. People who's only job is to ride bikes complain that downhills are dangerous, half of those people would get smoked by an average MTBer if he was given a road bike and serpentine road for 2 weeks. Everything is impregnated with the stench of snobism and elitism. Bikes geometry and tech is limited by dumb regulations and racer say that disc brakes are dangerous.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Cyclocross is even worse.
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 @Grosey: Because they all cheat its no longer cheating. Logic defies your statement.
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 @WAKIdesigns: so the challenge of riding 150-250 k a day for 3 weeks, with a few mountains.thrown in isn't enough of a challenge, and they should change there own flats and source food and water along the way?
Descending at 100kph down a mountain road on skinny tires is a completely different skill set.
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 Tour de Lance's anus is still sore from the arse raping he got from Travis Tygart.

What a shit sandwich he get served up. TdF only cancelled results for seven or eight years. What about the other 100 times the entire field doped? Don't they count?
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 @ReformedRoadie: yeah cuz riding 150-250k a day for 30 days is such a fascinating thing to watch that my family members watch the last 50km when husband of my sister in law is racing. And I'm pretty sure nobody watches that stuff longer than 100 last kms. You know, how I know? Number and length of commercial brakes grows exponentially when the race reaches it's end. So they may as well ride a max of 100km a day for a week at higher tempo. This is as exciting as cricket
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 @WAKIdesigns: a 30 minutes highlights show is ideal.
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 @WAKIdesigns: my experience is that 'average' MTBers typically get smoked by pro-am roadies. Saying that pro roadies can't handle their bikes is complete bs. Go try it before passing judgement.
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 @rpl3000: totally agree. Every roadie I know can slay a trail - advanced trails
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 @Mieszko42: maybe those from BC are a rare kind. I have one in my family, he has balls to go fast and has braking distances dialled but he is nowhere close to spectacular and he is absolutely worthless on MTB despite living in Alps. I assure you that Froome can't do sht on MTB
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 @WAKIdesigns: I agree. It is very visible in the cyclocross races here in Norway. Both national top level XC and marathon riders and road riders compete and almost all races are won by XC/marathon riders. Sure, the work is more similar to an XC race too, but the more technical the more it favours of the mtbers. I raced myself, and gained a lot in the corners, tech and steeps, got passed on the flat pedal-hard parts (I ride trail and enduro mostly).

Fun fact: Edvald Boasson Hagen competed in a cyclocross race in Oslo a week back, got 14th in the elite category. Top 5 all mountainbikers on top national level, but not international top.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I would argue the Froome MTB point. He rode MTB in Kenya before taking to the road. I'm pretty sure he has some skills in that department. Sure he's not gonna win a world cup race but he would smoke most people in a trail.
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 @WAKIdesigns: you're funny! Try racing through a flemmish village at 50km/h dodging road furniture
Your swedish trails suddenly get very tame
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 @WAKIdesigns: you're swedish, you don't know, you guys never cared for road racing.
We have full coverage with no commercial brakes. I'll take a vuelta or giro climbing stage over a DH WC any day
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 @LoveTheRide-Thunderbolt: hahaha you're looking for neg props around here aren't you.
But I agree, cuz to think that skills between cycling disciplines is that different is absurd. We're talking bikes here, not helicopter stunt flying.
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 @LoveTheRide-Thunderbolt: oh Jesus, If you are into training on the road in a place like Italy, where tens if not hundreds of cylists are killed every year by cars, or you are end up inhaling exhaust fumes worth of a pack of cigarettes per week, then be my guest. Yeah suddenly flying crabapple bits becomes a low risk feat. Therefore I may grant you a status of a bad ass of a kind, but I see no reason to assume that this can make you a skilled bike handler. If that's your job, and you get paid sht loads for it, you don't get to say that some descent on Giro is dangerous. That disc brakes are dangerous. You fkng learn to handle such risks through handling prowess and risk assessment. Perhaps looking at the road, not on a power meter is of bigger importance in reality. There are great riders like Sagan, Nibali or Contador and then, there are whiny sissies like half of Team Sky. Some people paid millions, behave as if they'd rather compete inside a spinning room.

Also if you are into which sport is better, I'm not getting into such stupid discussion. And if you want to come out open minded you may as well stuff a pineapple up your arse.
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 @Mieszko42: laws of physics are universal among all disciplines of cycling. Therefore when I see a dude with all of his weight on the inside of the bike, with shoulders turned to the scariest spot on the outside, that also keeps braking inside that turn, not to mention riding a crappy line through that turn, then well, I expect him to do better for the money he gets. Any idiot can stay on the gas on straights.
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 @WAKIdesigns: If he drops his wallet on you its going to hurt big time
.He spent his life getting to where his is just because he doesn't ride a mountain bike who the F cares, he is a super talented biker just the same.

They make road bikes for road, mountain bikes for mountains, and cross bikes for guys and gals that swing both ways.

Its all good just don't get hung up on Mountain vs road they both involve bicycles and getting outdoors and enjoying life.
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 @lake-st: but road riders definitely seem to be a bit aloof
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 @jaame: If you could quantify fun per km then you would probably understand why road guys often seem pissed off with life. I'm not sure you often hear them yelling with joy on a ride. If anybody on PB tells me they never let off the occasional "Woooh!!!" after clearing something special or at least get the odd mad rush of euphoria, I'd be very surprised. A roady's pleasure is of an altogether more masochistic, self-hating kind. I might have gone too far there, but you get the gist...
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 @BenPea: you're right on the masochism i guess. they just never seem friendly or amped to ride.
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 @jaame: seeing people running is even worse...they all look miserable.
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 @ReformedRoadie: well road cycling and running on flat ground can also be a means to an end (i.e., fitness) when there's no other option, but as an end in themselves, meh...
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 @BenPea: road and fitness, yea right. It builds your cardiovascular system in ineffective manner (result per time spent as compared to interval training/sprints) and ruins your body. They can talk as much as they want about their bike fit, the position on the road bike is a compromise between biomechanics and aerodynamics, so good luck to their backs, wrists and necks. They will tell you that they don't go to the gym much because they don't want to pick up too much muscle mass. And then they have a fkng nerve to tell me, oh but you get injured by crashing on MTB - yeah, and you can get freaking killed by a car while you inhale exhaust fumes. I may as well get a Galouises, toss away the filter and light it with a zippo - on the trail head, like a bad ass.
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 @WAKIdesigns: If you lived here you could easily do a number of different 3,000 ft road climbs during your lunch break on fairly empty roads. A couple of those a week and you'd be a machine at the weekend. Obviously the fact that there are also trails that come back down means I will NEVER buy a road bike.
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 @BenPea: 1000m during a lunch? add shower time, change time... then being tired for the rest of the day? I'd rather hit a pumptrack 10 minutes from my work place.
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 @WAKIdesigns: More like 900. Two-hour lunch break. 7kg bike. Easy! I'm not advocating this kind of behaviour, but it would get you pretty damn fit (which was my point). I'd go for the pumptrack too.
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 @BenPea: what sort of fit? Fit to ride a road bike. To do an Enduro Liason. That's it. Intervals and sprints develop your cardiovascular system in a more usable way. Same with HIIT which is often laughed at for being crossfit for people who don't want to admit they do crossfit. Pumptrack works your cardio and your whole body. And it makes you better at riding the bike. When you work, have family, doing volume on road bike is not much bang for the time buck. I ride road only to spin the leg muscles out of crap that got there when working out or sprinting. Or when it's dark. I hate riding trails with lamps.
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 @WAKIdesigns: "what sort of fit?" The kind that hauls your enduro bike up a big-ass mountain! Don't WC DHers ride a lot on the road? I don't see the point of it personally, but I'm sure it's not totally worthless.
Night time mtb is the shit, the slight loss of vision is translated into sharper sensations for the other senses. And it's waaaaaay better than skiing in a cloud. Probably not a useful comparison ey?
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 @BenPea: WC DH, XC, EWS Enduro riders have plenty of exercise time on their hands. Vast majority of us who pay for bikes don't. So while in the summer I can squeeze out 2x2h rides during the week and 1x3-4h on the weekend, for a pro rider that's like half of what he rides just for fun. So a pro rider does all of the necessary gym, practice and exercise regime, which few mortals can afford in time terms, and on top of that he can go out and ride road.

An amateur, working day hours, having kids at home, getting on the road bike regularly, with aim to get fit is completely wasting his time. Volume training barely translates to any other area of fitness. Intervals and strength training on another hand, can cover you up very well for hours of climbing, which I am a great example of. Did a few all day rides this summer on DH tyres, easily 1000m of climbing, no bigger problems.

Off course some people respond better to it, but across most disciplines, if you are a time crunched athlete, forget about volume.
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 Fit wise, mtbs are not as good for the knees as road bikes, because the q factor is at least 30mm wider on the mountain bike. For any kind of fitness training, road bikes are superior for that reason. Get a road bike, Ben! Don't put the miles in on a mountain bike!
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 @jaame: f*ck that man. I'll get one when my self-esteem has been so decimated by incontinence that it won't go any lower. Knees are fine btw (flat pedals = adjustable Q factor), wish I could say the same for the rest of me.

@WAKIdesigns: have you got a kiddie trailer? I've been towing 35 kg of children 4 times daily since school started again (3k each time). It's like thigh-specific HGH + intensive interval training.
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 @eriksaun: Good perspective for being in the pro racing and observing it all from inside. My only argument about level playing field is the fact that anti doping organizations in Spain and some other European countries don't go nearly as hard after dopers whereas the US anti doping agency went above and beyond that effort to catch Lance. I am not saying it was wrong prosecuting him but guys like Contador have their government behind his back so as to keep TDF trophies on their proud shelves.
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 @jaame: knee thing is a pile of bollocks. If your knees are fkd, then they are fkd as simple as that. I've heard it all, so before anyone mentions Q-Factor, crank length and other half relevant stuff, I want to know how's his/ hers hip stability (please make a pistol squat baby, at least half of it without wobbling) , do you clip in, do you run and how do you run, do you have any overuse injuries coming from other sports, how's your mobility? Can you touch your fricking toes? Do you keep your knees warm? After you give correct answer to these, we can start talking bike fit, however if MTB Q-Factor is giving you pains, then you should consider changing your hobby. When I hear a dude talking about perils of standing pedalling and knee wear I want to hit him in the face. No your knees are fkd, and just because your knees are fkd, possibly due to your own fault (like I fkd mine this spring) don't evangelize others. Get an e-bike and let's be done with it.

@Benpea - not anymore, I'll be soon selling mine, they are too big to sit in it. But passing someone on a steep climb with two kids in the back: priceless!
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 @Batipapo: we can say it like this, we know that Conti is doped, so given the fact that dope can give one up to 20% improvement, if he gets beaten by a margin, there are only two scenarios: he stopped doping, or everyone beating him is. One side of me is convinced that they all dope, another one doesn't give a flying damn. I'm not looking for fairness in sports as long as it's not me being cheated. The way they treated Sagan this year was preposterous, yet, it didn't surprise me. Who else more than Frenchies would like to give a lesson to a rock star that stands against everything these elitist pricks stand for.

The more I understand why people behave the way they do, their motives, complexes, fears, ambitions, the less I care, better I interact with them, less grudge I hold, more I stay away from those who genuinely annoy me, and effectively, the happier I am.
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 In my opinion, this seems like a dangerous and frivolous question to be asking readers, most of whom cannot possibly have an educated idea as to the occurrence of doping in the EWS. It instigates speculation, leading to negative comments about the EWS and riders without basis. I think the disadvantages of asking this question to readers outweighs the possible utility of knowing reader's perceptions of doping in mtb'ing, especially before an actual case has been reported in the EWS
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 Well said.
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 I somewhat agree. But what legitimacy can the EWS have if no testing protocols exist? And does the audience accept that it could be a racer who has the best doctor/drugs/cheating regimen who wins? There is no level playing field when doctors administering banned PEDs are in part, responsible for "exceptional" performance.
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 I'll second this!
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 Dope all you want. All I know is flat pedals won Enduro.
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 To me nothing more needs to be said. Flat pedals for the win.
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 But Sam Hill is on dope so that's the reason he won with flat pedals. Clipless pedals for the win! Big Grin
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 Any doping cyclist is still better than an e-mtber* in my opinion!

*Specifically able bodied e-mtbers
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 So much hate for ebikes in America.. you haters are like religious fanatics
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 Some riders use e-bike for practice laps. It is not banned by ews yet.
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 @bbh13: you could have just said fanatics.
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 @tigerteeuwen: no offence intended, was just an example.
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 Absolutely people are doping. There are athletes doing PEDs at the highest levels of pretty much every sport. Especially considering that there's no testing in EWS, there's no doubt that people are cheating. When there's money to win, people will cheat. It's a sad fact, but that's just the way it is.
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 People cheat even when there is no money involved.....ego is just as big of a driver.
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 Yep, a guy was caught at the Mega Reunion : in french sorry www.endurotribe.com/2013/01/dopage-en-enduro-vtt-un-pilote-condamne-a-6-mois-de-suspension
The name wasnt revealed though
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 @zutroy: I think it’s more than just ego, it’s getting results so they can get paid to live the dream. Keeping your ride, traveling the world and never having to get a real job has to be a big motivator.
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 @zutroy: I know of guys busted playing Warhammer with loaded dice..

Yep if people will cheat in a game like that, then they will cheat anywhere.
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 It's not technically "cheating" until it's officially not allowed. Only to be declared and enforced via testing.

So until the framework exists to declare it cheating and discover who is and isn't cheating, then it's all but guaranteed that some are using PEDs.

I personally don't like the notion, but you can't rightly accuse, criticize or blame anyone until that framework exists.

Is it ok? Ethically perhaps not, but technically it's not "wrong" until the requirements deem it to be.

I support testing, but until it exists, winning trumps doing "the right thing", and no one can blame people for operating within the existing parameters.
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 You can't blame any individual athlete but you most definitely can say that most likely the majority of the field is doping based on what has happened in other sports.
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 This article is borderline slander, and is certainly damaging to the riders and institution of the EWS. The article discredits and devalues the efforts of every clean rider on or near the EWS.

The readership of Pinkbike form their opinions through articles like this, and that is a damaging reality for the following reason. This article and many others of its ilk insinuate a large group of hardworking people are "potentially doping". This defames the reputation of every clean cyclist, and is directly damaging to those riders in the EWS.

Let's do a thought experiment.
Imagine if I wrote an article about how PinkBike authors are potentially "embezzling money"?

Then in the comments, many hundreds of people write about how in the news they read about different authors embezzling money from their publishers. Other people might comment on how they saw a documentary on Netflix about authors embezzling money. Still more people would comment on how ALL authors must be embezzling money, and it's likely that anyone who can write better than they can are probably embezzling money.

*To be clear, this is a thought experiment, and I do not think the Pinkbike authors are embezzling money.

Am I making my point clear?

Would you feel OK that my hugely popular website caused such a consensus?

This is a poor financial move. It's no secret that mountain biking as a sport fails to attract significant investment. Right now the professional road cycling world is in decline around the world; it is difficult to attract financial backing into a sport with limited viewership and a poor reputation. What company would support a team cyclists when cycling's popular reputation is intimately tied to cheating? Why would a company want to associate themselves with an avoidable mess? The real kick in the shorts is that the road world does a better job of appealing to the mass market the mountain bike world. Why would a website that seeks to advance mountain biking around the world seek to put mountain biking in the same leaky financial boat? My hope is this article is a one-time thoughtless mistake.

Right now all over the world there are young Pinkbike readers who have aspirations of one day being a professional mountain biker. This article indirectly insinuates that to be successful, you have to cheat. This is counter to the world that I want to live in, a world where many honest people are successful.

-PH
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 Well said. I understand PB wants to post articles that get us commenting, but I don't think this one has been at all helpful to the sport.
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 There's a simple solution to your dilemma: ews should test if they and their riders are worried about being labeled as dopers.
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 We should start to a new category:

Super Hero Class: Let them dope all they want. That way the competition field is even! no one can argue "Its not fair!"

LOL
  • 5 1
 Some dopers are better at doping than other dopers. How do they get so good? Doping.
  • 14 0
 That poll question does not make sense.... You belive what % of racers are doping? Or what % do you belive some are doping? It could mean either....
  • 22 9
 Did anyone ever noticed how Curtis Keene looks like the MTB version of Lance Armstrong ? I mean seriously, I bet he didn't built that jawline chewing gum..

Also to anyone interested on the topic, watch ICARUS from Netflix.
  • 13 1
 I watched the docu on Armstrong too. Fucking shady the level of denial, cover ups an political power involved. I mean, getting FBI investigations squashed, death threats. I honestly believe of he hadn't got caught, he's the sort of cunt that could end up president
  • 16 4
 @nojzilla: Our standard for president is ever increasingly, low.
  • 3 0
 That movie was eye opening, to say the least. It's so disappointing to find out that these athletes we've looked up to our entire lives are using. I had always hoped to one day be that great.
  • 12 11
 @skelldify: don't sell them so short, doping is a supplement to a masterful and admirable amount of work. It gives you an edge but first you have ro get into proximity of that edge.
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Without bragging, I'm in pretty effing good shape, I eat right, I sleep right, I train hard, I take care of myself, and I've been doing all that since my teens. I don't even work a regular job, so I have all the time in the world to do these things right. But the amount of work some of these guys on PEDs can do is mind-blowing.
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: There are some great articles here to get you started.
www.t-nation.com/all-articles/authors/john-romano/tags/pharma

Also, I believe the dude in Icarus said the difference was huge.
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Or this:

www.muscleforlife.com/side-effects-of-steroids

People on test gained more muscle without working out AT ALL, than clean people on the exercise regimen. The people who exercised and took test gained 3 times as much muscle as the clean people on the exercise regimen.
  • 1 0
 @skelldify: if you dig a bit you can find info recent and old that documents road racing's inextricable link to doping since day one. I remember reading a doctor's admission that he used to press speed pills into energy bars for his team. Putting eyes on the snake they used to call it. It's never been clean. These guys want to become machines (yes ok, some are not doping). The next Armstrong is just around the corner, or is he already here?
  • 4 1
 @skelldify: Steroids are used a lot. I remember Gee Atherton's videos at the end of last season about his recovery. He said he got some steroid injections to reduce his shoulder pain and speed up recovery.
  • 4 0
 I've run into C.K. (and tried to follow him on a couple of occasions) in the Santa Cruz mountains before he was a full factory pro or on the EWS and he's always been insanely fast, ripped, and basically just looked like that. As I recall, he was a full time electrician by profession and I doubt it does a lot of good for sparky to support a "juicing" habit. Some people are just physical freaks. Not saying it's impossible.
  • 1 0
 @Whipperman: Damn, that's a great point. People think there's no place for PEDs in a heavily skill-oriented sport like DH, but PEDs aren't just used for strength, they help athletes recover from injuries faster, too.

[Sorry for dominating this thread. I've been doing a lot of research on this topic lately.]
  • 4 0
 @skelldify: for Gee's recovery it was just cortizone and not the anabolic type, correct? Different ballpark. A performance restoring drug perhaps.
  • 2 0
 @skelldify: dude t-nation! used to frequent the forums when it was still just t-mag. the stories of how easy it was to get "stuff" and the prevalence of use for even the average gym rat/weekend warrior was pretty alarming.
  • 1 0
 @skelldify: I don’t even race but after watching Icarus I was joking with my doctor about going on a full program. He said “I’m way ahead of you, give me six months, I’m in the process of buying everything we need using bitcoin” He went on for 25 minutes about his research on anti-aging and how we could cheat time.
  • 14 0
 I'll have to watch Icarus. But to suggest that Curtis Keene is a PED user because of the shape of his jaw is ridiculous.
  • 2 0
 Hahaha , not acusing him but I've been in the fitness industry long enough to know whats up just by looking at someones face. If you don't believe me thats fine but take a look at all the top bodybuilders and how they strangly have very similar facial characteristics. @Speeder01:
  • 3 0
 Jawline assessment to determine cheaters? You could be on to something... Ha.

Lol at the chewing gum comment though.
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: So access to doctors, PED training regimens, and sophisticated testing equipment (to avoid getting caught) is now the definition of the highest performing athletes, because hey, they're all hardworking and have skill?

Let's ensure we tell all children who aspire to achieve any goals in sport that it's going to take more than hard work and commitment. It's also going to require turning your body into a human growth experiment via drugs.
  • 4 4
 @PinkyScar: I love when someone blends kids into an argument, I turn into a Hulk troll. Most people these days work hard. The idea of "the key to success is to work hard" is absolutely idiotic, I can go as far to say that saying it to a kid is child abuse. It is. Digging a tunnel using a pick is a harder work than drilling one with a super drill. However an ambitious drill operator can actually work harder than the worker with a pick. A dude supervising tunnel construction can also work harder than anyone on the site. Hard work without plan and frequent evaluation, progress probing is a stupid work. Someone may want to cheat and use cheaper concrete so the tunnel may collapse.

Now the difference between that and doping in cycling is that it is hard to say that doping hurts other people. Maybe in MMA, if you dope, you can punch more often and harder and directly hurt someone with your mischief. Doping certain substances pushes human body into dangerous zones, that's why they are forbidden, it is driven mainly, at least supposed to be driven mainly to keep athletes from pushing too far and dying. Now as far as cheating goes, heh... you should study evolutional psychology more. Cheating is a function of efficiency, we are all programmed for this. We balance personal goals with social adaptation. That's it. It's a game of risk vs reward.

You just can't simply believe that in pretty much any Olympic sports someone is slacking out and using juice to cover for lazyness. That's just ridiculous. They are all pushing as hard as they can, pretty much all outliers have access to expensive testing, doctors, physiologists, coaches, training camps. The cost of doping regimen is a tiny addition.

Where do ethics come here? How can you level out the field? It's wishful thinking. People like Lance, Connor McGregor, Ayrton Senna, Michael Phelps, Serena Williams, Anne Caroline Chausson, are a mix of prime genetics and prime environmental factors that got them to the top. If your kid was exposed to less testosterone in the Womb he has minimal chance to ever get to the top of any developed discipline, if you then don't get your kid into harder training between 6 and 16, all his/hers chances are gone. They can try as much as they want, they will never get anywhere. One bad coach for few years too many, one jelaous team mate digging a hole under you, one too bad car crash, one too bad injury, and you will never get to the top. It's a lottery, ethics, truth is a brain food for the cattle of passive supporters who watch commercials and make the sporting events happen.

If you really want something to the point where you are obsessed with your goal, you will be put against the wall, to use performance enhancing drugs and devices or not. At the dawn of genetic manipulation, with prospect of biomechanical enhancements, singularity where people will be literally uploading a skill like Neo in Matrix, PEDs seems like cheating on history test in primary school. We are a dying species.

If my kid would consider taking PEDs at 16 I would be against it, because there is nothing that can be won at that age, that would be worth it. After they get 25, they may do whatever they want, I will not judge them.
  • 9 0
 This is borderline libel, and at the very least is totally uneducated rubbish. This kind of statement discredits the hard work and focus that is required to have any kind of athletic success. I don't know Curtis, but as a society, we would do well to consider people innocent until proven guilty.
  • 4 3
 @peterdavidhaile: strong jawline and doping, yeah, David Coulthard must be the most juiced dude in the history of mankind. His testosterone levels were so high that at the top of his career, the floor of his van was paved with bodies of exhausted girls and he was wanking every second lap.
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns: dude, I can't poo for long enough to read yr comments and there's a beer waiting for me at the bar, so keep it concise. But it's all very interesting nonetheless.
  • 1 0
 @sk133872: Hah, I looked forward to reading the new article on that site every morning for years! Then I went back through the archives and read everything. There is a huge wealth of knowledge on that site! I never participated in the forums much, though.
  • 1 0
 At least, if they all doing it it's a level playing field Big Grin
Oh, apart from the richer teams can afford the better drugs an bribe the most officials.......
:/
  • 1 1
 @nojzilla: since certain sports are so big and developed, the system is so impregnated with corruption, that any official is possibly more careful with exposing someone getting a positive result, than hiding a negative one. I'm pretty sure every now and then they just have a meeting and they decide which athlete is worth throwing under the bus to keep an illusion of righteousness.
  • 1 0
 @PinkyScar: hahaha, yeah take my comment with a bit of humour , I am totally not acusing the guy of anything. Its also not my duty to judge him on any of his behaviors. Although he is a sick rider tho and love watching his YT series with REDBULL.

I just feel that doping is sad and it will be a never ending cat and mouse race. But even tho I would consider myself to be a good rider , all the PEDs in the world wouldnt make me good enough to compete with the guys on top.
  • 15 0
 Fucks sake I been doping through most of my adult riding life. Beers too!
  • 3 0
 shit son I'm on a ton of Ibuprofen right now!
  • 1 0
 @nojzilla: ibuprofen can put you in hospital according to the anti-doping doctors I interpreted for at an Ultra-trail event. That's if you're putting yourself through what the top athletes are.... Are you?
  • 6 0
 Is weed still a banned substance? I'm both kidding and serious?? ????
  • 3 1
 @bcmrider: Well it's still officially illegal in most of Europe, so that kind of throws a spanner in the works. I'm mildly pissed off that the North Americans have evolved faster than us in this respect.
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: my knee is back k to its wonky but normal(ish) size so I'm stopping them.. Which is great. Cos ibuprofen bungs me up an I can't wait to have a BFP
  • 8 0
 Statistically-speaking, it's next-to impossible that *everybody* is riding clean.

Anybody who feels differently really needs to watch the documentary "Icarus" (on Netflix; or listen to Bryan Fogel on the recent JRE podcast). Sucks, but it is what it is and we'd be doing ourselves a disservice if we didn't have some sort of candid conversation about it.

Props to Pinkbike for bringing up this controversial topic.
  • 1 0
 Agreed! I'm of course hoping that most or all riders are clean but I'm glad that this is being discussed openly. Like Cedric's speaking quite bluntly about it, too. He must have seen some stuff going on, I'm sure.
  • 3 1
 Everyone is on steroids.
  • 7 0
 Wasn't there a French rider that used to ride for Kona that got caught 3-4 years ago?
I think he got suspended for a few years and now he is back and destroying the field... if I remember correctly he got caught in a french enduro race.
  • 6 0
 Yes, doping was in Enduro racing already before EWS existed.
  • 3 0
 who?
  • 2 0
 Yeah he won this year in masters, not to name him. The problem with him is that I can't believe it was a mistake (like for js7 for ex), the guy is known to be aggressive and behave like a douche on race tracks. But I'm naively hoping he won this year in a clean way, but that's the problem with cheating : how can we trust he isn't cheating anymore if he cheated in the past ?
  • 5 0
 The guy had been tested positive at the Mégavalanche in La Réunion (so technically it's France, though in the Indian Ocean). His case has been kept anonymous by the french federation. That pissed a lot of people in France. Yes, the guy doesn't have the best of reputation. Trustworthy is not something you'd put beside his name. I'm still surprised he has sponsors...
  • 2 0
 @zede: Well, here's the other thing, you don't immediately lose the gains you get from some PEDs. Some gains you keep long-term. For example, if you're taking something that helps you recover better, you might be able to get double workouts in for years. The gains from that won't just disappear after you stop for a month so you can test clean.
  • 4 0
 As far as i could see "this rider" placed quite good, and would have won the Men Elite at one stop. Is the fact that he got caught the reason why he is not racing in Men Elite perhaps?
  • 3 0
 if its the same guy that now ride for BH I always wondered why the French anti doping federation kept it quit.
  • 1 0
 @zede: crowd source me for a season. Ill take hime
  • 11 0
 Any rider who has ever beat me on Strava must be doping. FACT.
  • 8 0
 I've always found it interesting that some of the EWS pros always skip the USA Cycling Mountain Bike Championships - is there testing at that event?
  • 1 0
 there should be/have to be tests at any National Champs, any UCI / national federation regulated race for that matter. I´m honestly pretty shocked EWS has not been testing in the past
  • 5 0
 Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the EWS need to be aligned more closely with a governing body in oder to utilize the WADA labs? Just relying on a local body like CyclingBC (for example) is an easy out. Testing is expensive and CBC sure as shit won't pay the $ to test a regional Enduro race.
  • 9 3
 So long as you see brutal uphill stages or too many uphills where the clock counts then steroids are no doubt part of it. Ironically the beauty of DH racing is its immunity to steroids.
  • 5 1
 Aderall or cocaine would help tho
  • 6 0
 Not true I'm afraid. While skill obviously makes up a huge part of your ability, fitness is huge too. Get less tired you have more control, get pedal faster, pump harder etc etc. Look at the men and women who dominated DH racing from the mid 90s until fairly recently and tell me they weren't the fittest people in the field.
  • 12 1
 Have you never raced downhill? It is an all out sprint for 3-5 minutes. It's not all about fitness like endurance events, but when there's only 2 seconds separating the top 10 you can be damn sure that doping would play a huge role. It's not going to make you or I win world cup DH races, but gack someone like Brendan Faircloth (a rider who's always been on the edge) out on EPO, HGH and steroids and you can be damn sure he'd win races.
  • 2 0
 @JoseBravo: Have you ever ridden on either of those drugs before? You would blow up on the downhills and dehydrate on the ups. The adrenaline on just a short downhill is overwhelming and nauseating.
  • 1 0
 @choppertank3e: Cedric Gracia said that cocaine would be the ideal drug for DH. Ask him if he has ever ridden a bike
  • 1 0
 @choppertank3e: watch the video from 8:30 to 11:00 I will wait for your apologies
  • 2 0
 So is that what they meant in the article when they mentioned alternate lines?
  • 4 0
 @BenPea: Speed in the bar is fairly mellow compared to shooting Heroin to numb the pain of 20+ days of hard suffering. Roadies take PEDs to a very high level. I am sure that the MTB world is just about as flooded but with the sport being so much smaller there is little media attention to it. Considering that some riders have been caught putting small electric motors in their bikes I am sure taking a few pills or shots happens allot.

When I was a kid I raced allot of XC, and got up to be competitive at a provincial level. Our local cycling club had one of Canada's top pros come give a talk and this athlete talked about how if your ever at a world cup to make sure not to stay in the same hotels as team X. The reason was they have to get up in the middle of the night to run laps of the hotel stairs so their heart rate wouldn't get to low in their sleep. This was back in like 95/96. So yes there are PEDs in Mountain Biking, and its nothing new.
  • 6 1
 Just inject them all with trenbolone and be done with it,no arguments then????,I think lopes,s estrogen is up,,,just sayin....lol...
  • 3 1
 Hahaha! Someone beat me to the Lopes pun! Damn it!!!
  • 4 1
 Road, track, TT Tri, sure, but when technical skills count for serious percentage of a winning time, how are drugs going to benefit that? Sure you may have sustained endurance and additional power with doping but if you don't have the skills or ability to get down the hill as fast as Sam, no amount of doping's going to help you. Yes, you'd have more energy for untimed liaisons, but if you can't clean that double, or cut that inside line, you're not going to win that stage or race. That's the thing about WC DH and Enduro, fitness is a big part of it but I think the skills are what really separate the winners from the dopers.
  • 2 0
 But there are so many flats and uphill stages all throughout EWS races. Even if the doping allows you to recover fast overnight (as in steroids), you can get closer to your competitors the next race day. DH is likely immune to doping but not Enduro.
  • 8 0
 so like BMX would not benefit from drugs?... every sport benefits from drugs... if your sport uses oxygen to support repeated muscle contractions, drugs will help...
  • 4 0
 I think you're right that doping alone can't make a fit dude into a professional WC DH or Enduro racer. But, with marginal gains being the name of the game, two equally skilled riders have the potential to separate themselves with PED's. In particular, using testosterone as a means to recover during multi-day events (even if it's just practice runs on one day) would help. EPO would give a rider the ability to crank harder and longer during the pedaly bits and arrive at the start of stages much fresher. Even in DH, smaller riders could use steroids to develop more strength.
  • 1 0
 Yes, but other drugs may be taken for a mental gain such as modafinil to make you more mentally aware and think faster.
  • 4 0
 Drugs help with technique. Like eriksaun said, they help with everything. They help you recover faster and practice more often. So you get more runs, more time at the gym, more time to improve technique.
  • 1 0
 CaptainSlappy -> but most of their race days (and prep days riding the course) are burly AF. Skills are key but if you’re worn out by the end of the race and have 1 sh@tty stage then your race is over.
  • 1 0
 Skills are aided by increases in fast twitch muscle mass, being able to push harder in training because of reduced injury recovery times, increased oxygen levels help skills also.
  • 3 0
 I'm a little surprised that so many people believe %100 that there is doping. I think if you were to build a Lego creation of what it would take to win an elite level Enduro race absolutely there would be some blocks where pharmacology could boost performance. However, I think compared to a road race, there are so many other factors involved such as line choice, technique, creativity, bike performance, trail conditions... I'm not convinced doping would be a risk worth taking. I'd love to believe that Sam Hill's ability to add up seconds over a section through creative lines goes way further. Are there guys on the EWS fitter than Hill? I would bet a whole lot of money that there are... but they didn't beat him. I don't believe the guy with the most efficient, powerful or durable physiological necessarily takes an Enduro win. Either way if it does create an unfair advantage for some than I hope it's not happening...I'm just not sure that would work the same in Enduro.
  • 1 0
 What risk? There were no tests, so getting caught wasn´t an option. Side effects are a risk but thats more of a long term concern. And don´t be fooled, just imagine starting stage 5 still with the same energy as stage 1 and clear mind because you aren´t already exhausted. There is an advantage, you´re most likely sprinting faster, thinking faster and riding cleaner on PEDs
  • 1 0
 @F22: Local cycling bodies that put on the event could have and might have tested.
  • 1 0
 @choppertank3e: Could be the article isn´t really clear if this is only an available option or something they´ve regularly done. Regardless a professional sport without organized anti doping structures thats really not cool. I have to sign NADA code for my UCI licence, should be no difference for emba membership
  • 4 1
 I seriously believe that bike 'doping' (with a motor) is just as likely as chemical doping in Enduro.

The tech exists. It's very hard to detect. It gives a huge advantage. It allows you to pass drug tests. There is no checking for it in the EWS. Even 50w assistance on transfer stages would allow a rider to race with less fatigue.

Not talking dedicated e-bikes here, but the smaller motors that can be inserted into down tubes that drive the BB.

www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-four-ways-to-hide-motor-doping-in-a-race-bike

Last year, a VERY successful EWS rider drew considerable attention from other competitors due to his performance on one of the stages, specifically, UP one of the hills. It's worth noting that the fittest rider in the EWS, someone who has made podium in National level XCO remarked: "I have absolutely no idea how he managed to ride up that hill so fast."

I have a fair idea.
  • 5 0
 Double R ?
  • 3 0
 In my professional field (olympic sports coach) its well known that athletes would sacrifice years from their total life expectancy for the glory of an Olympic medal. How many years? Well, there was a study back in 2012 that showed 80% of all athletes would sacrifice up to 15 years of their life expectancy for a medal.... So if they were prepared to go that far, drugs are not such a big step.

Watch Icarus on Netflix if you want to see just how nuts the world of doping is.
  • 3 0
 Have you been to a nursing home? 15 years is totally worth it!
  • 1 0
 @TPLRacing: Yep, the last 15 years are NOT the good years!
  • 3 0
 I'm intrigued here. Does Pinkbike have some inside knowledge of definite doping in the EWS and this is a "warm up" piece for the big exclusive reveal? Or is it a leading question to drive traffic with a bit of innuendo?

Can't help thinking that if you *KNOW* of it going on, you should be alerting the EWS directly and passing all evidence. If you *suspect* it going on, you should be alerting the EWS directly and passing on everything you know and sources.
If it's just a hypothetical piece, think about the potential impact of scaring off potential sponsors through online noise, rumour and innuendo.
  • 6 0
 I think they're all pretty dope.
  • 5 0
 Don't know for EWS, but I'm not clean when coming back from a ride. Especially that time of the year.
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy to touch on your idea... i dont really think that EWS in a position to do anything approaching the level of WADA without a UCI affiliation... it would be impractical for EWS to take an active role in enforcing any rules they could have regarding the use of banned substances... they lack resources and the political and judicial framework for it... thats why they have the only enforceable rule they have- if youve been banned you cant compete... thats all they can do really (and everyone knows only the stupid ones get caught)...

because the EWS is not currently part of the UCI it pretty much means that there will not be any testing in EWS events... if the organizers and athletes are not in a system where they are WADA signatories and agree to WADA jurisdiction, there pretty much wont be any testing... the one case under which you can see EWS testing is if the individual race is sanctioned by a UCI accredited governing body and the athletes are all license holders... the UCI has been already tangentially involved in EWS since day 1 since FFC is sanctioning some races... so maybe in France in an EWS santioned by the FFC a WADA affiliated group will come to test... but its not likely that you would see any testing in the USA since the events are not sanctioned by USAC and so dont have any tie to the WADA structure that administers testing and provides the framework for the process. then there is the $$$ part... how much testing is in DH? thats all UCI directly, or indirectly...
  • 2 0
 There are 2 problems with doping control. First it doesn't prove anyone is clean. It shows you passed or failed a test known in advance. As a result it's not hard to beat. Secondly is unless there are life time bans for the first offence then people who do get caught can come back still having the advantage doping gave them. The classic being steroids. These are used to build muscle so even if caught if you keep training you can return with the benefits
  • 1 0
 Holy f$$k.

My fav info graphic ever from Bicycling mag May 2011.

Greyed out = convicted at some point in their career.

cyclingtips.com/2011/06/the-armstrong-era
  • 2 1
 @WasatchEnduro: The entire peloton was hammering PEDs during the Armstrong era. The % of guys who have been caught or admitted to doping at that time is crazy high, for this reason alone I say give Lance the wins.. He was clearly better then everyone else...
  • 2 0
 I was knocked down the podium a spot by a guy at a local race, in the OPEN category. I'll just call him Mike. Not even racing pro. Just a proven doper, sandbagging at the grass roots level. A certain % of all people cheat like thieves. There is no activity, race, religion, or affiliation that is free of cheaters. Of course there are cheaters at EWS. The more money that comes into it, the more pressure there will be for stringent testing.
  • 1 0
 Problem is, there is a thin red line between doping and medication/nutrition. Most of doping products are actually prescriptible medication. Autotransfusion could be seen as a reproduction of a natural process. Hypoxic training reproduces altitude training too.
Where training optimisation ends and doping begins...
  • 1 0
 @Whipperman: The doosh that I raced against was busted for testosterone. Blamed it on supplements . If gargling with synthetic man-sauce is a prescription, then I've really missed something.
  • 2 0
 I lifted weights for 10 years, and didn't really feel the need to take steroids, I took the mindset, "It's only weight lifting, you're basically accomplishing nothing, do you want to be the super strength altoid of accomplishing nothing?"....."not really"
  • 4 0
 Thanks for the Hit Job from UCI Mike, It's all about the money, Also weird polling, a question that seems like a yes or no question with a percentile answer.
  • 3 0
 No Offense.
First time I saw his youtube channel, I thought CG was around 50 yo. In pretty good shape, doing wheelie and s**ts on mtb. Then I googled he's only 39. He sure looks older that he is to me.
  • 3 0
 The way the question is asked is garbage. If you believe that just one competitor at any EWS race is doping you have to answer 100%. That doesn't mean EWS necessarily has a doping problem.
  • 2 0
 Firstly, speculation from uniformed members of the public about certain athletes doping can be really destructive and divisive which doesn't help the athletes or the sport in general. Until recently the EWS has had it's head in the sand in terms of PEDs. The EWS has a unique part to play in fairness in sport and particularity cycling. The EWS is self regulatory so it presents an opportunity to actually side step a lot of corruption associated with the UCI and WADA. I think in general the EWS handles normal cheating at it's events quite well. How it deals with doping could set an example to the rest of sport and particularity cycling.
  • 2 0
 I have to admit ..... I am a semi-professional Enduro Bro and I used to be on one of the most strict doping programs I know of. We would dope on training rides, races, party trains , whatever . In Big Mountain Enduro it was absolutely ridiculous .... we would dope right at the top of stages , we didn't give a f*ck...... Smoke that shit alllllll day long !!! Wink
  • 2 0
 Soo what was the question again?
Or was it two questions, and did everyone get it right?
If you're supposed to ask a serious question you need to be very clear so no one misunderstands....
  • 1 0
 Lets say... they all take doping... So its fare... nobody cares... just enjoy watching... If you start think about that stuff it will take away all your happiness watch anything.

Ps. a little kokain helps you a lot over the caynongap at Rampage Wink
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  • 11 6
 When Richie Rude looks like Barry Bonds there might be a issue.
  • 19 0
 yeah, richie rude looks like a 53 yr old black man
  • 7 0
 RIchie Rude looks like he could start at middle linebacker for a D3 college team.
  • 6 0
 For a guy who pedals a bike all day, Richie is freaking massive
  • 2 1
 @me2menow: no he isn't, average pro bmxer size. Same as graves. They look huge next to 5'8 150pound dudes for sure.

I was 190 racing bmx and can't get under 180 (I'm 6'0") riding a shit ton. Once you put on a bunch of muscle at an early age it's your set point. You won't vary much from that (unless it's mega fatty time)
  • 1 0
 @Grosey: Huh? Chris Froome is 6' and less than that.
  • 2 0
 @Grosey: While your point about putting on muscle at a young age is very true, there is a huge difference between an enduro racer and a bmx racer (or freerider). BMX is a sprint, where as enduro is long sustained cardio. Look at pictures of sprinters vs cross country runners for reference.
  • 7 0
 Rude has been that size since the age of 13.
  • 2 0
 @yuroshek: Absolutely, kid looked big enough to kick my ass when he was 13 and I was in my late 20's racing DH on the East Coast. Just a natural beast!
  • 1 0
 @ReformedRoadie: Right. Froome's appearnace is scary. I would put him in the same pver the top unhealthy category as pro bodybuilders.
  • 2 0
 @me2menow: not at their level. The top guys are at 90% for any stage under 5'. Beasts.

Graves trains just like a bmx guy (cause he basically was). Richie very likely adopted a lot of those techniques. Your gonna get bigger squating big and doing big DL's.

Me and another ex Bmx pro whose 15 years younger than me have been riding together a bunch. We went to winter park and got to watch. The pros ride at a pace we can both hit - but no F'n way can we sustain for 5'. Hardly even 1' at altitude....

But I dont think the difference is doping. Its adapting to riding at that level, adjusting to the pain/ gassed feeling and being able to hold it longer without losing focus. I work full time, have a family, etc. but it doesnt seem impossible. Im not willing to sacrifice everything for that. Well immjust stroking my ego now.

Point is, these guys are mortal. I doubt there are too many going beyond caffiene and basic OTC stuff. And if they are it doesnt really matter cause this is all for fun!
  • 1 1
 All sports should allow doping, cause it will make watching sports on my 4k HD TV so much better!
  • 1 0
 Ironically, Barry Bonds is now an avid (road) cyclist.
  • 1 0
 @bvd453: do they make helmets that big?
  • 1 0
 one year later and he is positive
  • 1 0
 @tullie: neither of the two substances tested positive contribute to mass gain though
  • 5 1
 What would be the point of doping when the risk of mechanical issues messing a race run up is so high in EWS?
  • 5 0
 well right now there is no testing.. so there is no doping problem!
  • 4 0
 Just add a few slope style features on every stage. We can verify the blood sample after they eat shit.
  • 1 0
 Many a slopestyle athlete loves a good thumb snorkel.
  • 3 2
 Enduro and Downhill are protected from doping culture to some extent because they're effected by so many variables and bike handling skill tends to be the prevailing factor above all else. You could get a pro CrossFit athlete and pitch him against an old boy like Steve Peat and Steve would win. Just knows how to handle a bike, pump, carry speed, pick lines etc. CrossFit athlete might be faster on the climbs but they're not timed. Lungs and physical strength are significant for sure and do effect times - but it won't compensate for any lack of skill.
  • 1 1
 Clipless pedals? If it's not about marginal gains, why does everybody (excluding some beasts) use them?
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 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: clips make a huge difference if you know how to use them (ask any bmx racer). Good spin and your power is up about 30-40%.

Sam hills win tells me two things.
1) He is an amazing bike handler
2) The EWS courses are steep
  • 2 0
 @Grosey:

Hey Gross. A couple of my mates recently went to flats and STILL school me on the climbs and I’m more of a clips4life guy. Oh wait.... guess that just proves how slow I am. Never mind Frown
  • 1 0
 To some be extent that is true, but when you have 15-20 guys riding at that high of a level there will be an advantage to doping. They all have the skills so fitness matters. Where you see the difference is in of you can still win without doping and the have strict testing protocols then the risk isn't worth the benefit. So in DH guys can win clean and they test so purple are less likely to dope. In EWS there is no testing so no risk just benefit. It also isn't just Amor winning sometimes athletes do it so that they can keep up with their previous results and not lose a contact or sponsor. I competed in Nordic Combined at the world cup and world championship level so I have some knowledge about this. Though I was clean and didn't break the top 20 rankings.
  • 4 0
 @Grosey: if 30-40% power is to be gained by clip pedals then why am I not 30% slower when i'm on flats? there are advantages but that bullshit isn't one.
  • 1 0
 @WasatchEnduro: proves you dont know how to pedal with them.

Should clarificized - you can accelerate like a lot faster with them shaving seconds and if you pull through and spin right lots of time on flats and up and hills
  • 1 0
 @rabatt: yes it is. That bullshit is an advantage. The number was totally made up and this is the internet. Point to you!

Clips still work great if you know how to ride them. Just cause some people arent coordinated dont mean it aint true!
  • 1 0
 People think nothing of Coke, amphets, weed why wouldn't they take enhancements to finish better? It's all stimulants and they think everyone's at it. So why not themselves?

Lifetime bans and criminal convictions would stop this.

No '2 year' or backdated slap on the wrist
  • 1 0
 meh... sure it probably happens but I bet the percentages are much lower in the EWS in comparison to other disciplines of cycling. And the point has already been made that a lot of the "illegal" stuff isn't really illegal as it's usually a form that hasn't been filed properly or in time.
  • 3 0
 I’m in my mid 40’s. I sometimes take Advil before a ride so I can keepi up with the younger guys.
That is considered doping by the guys I ride with.

I have no regrets.
  • 1 0
 In any pro level race there's always a high probability that doping is occurring. I personally do not care and in fact think that racers can do whatever they want, but I would just want it to be an open-door policy so that they could admit to it with the only penalty being that of time added to their total. However, fortunately at the local/regional/amateur races the only doping I'm aware of are riders hitting left-handed cigarettes on the transfer sections. This adds to the comedy and camaraderie, but would be tough to call performance enhancing. Party.
  • 1 0
 I think in MTB, as compared to road cycling, you have more people that support each other and just like to go out and ride. Sure, there's competition, but it's more about competition with yourself than with the other guy. Just the culture itself makes it less likely to dope -- you are mainly cheating yourself. However, once you get to professional levels in any sport, it's your job to win, and it may be one of the only jobs you are qualified for. Lose that job, what are you going to do then? So, while I don't think it is non-existent in MTB, I think it is probably minimal and just kind of sad if it is happening. I'm just glad I didn't have the talent to turn something I love to do into a job.
  • 5 0
 Can anyone recommend a documentary I could watch? Maybe on Netflix?
  • 1 0
 Doping sure is interesting, who wouldn't love to be fitter and quicker?

What's speaking against it for me is that once you're on it, it sure is hard to get off of it again mentally.
It's like riding an e-bike: get off of one and on a normal bike and all over sudden you feel real sluggish.

Not to speak of health issues that might come up later...
  • 1 0
 I would like to think EWS (and downhill) is much more a sport of technical ability and riding skill which cannot be gained by doping so the riders don’t bother but at the level of competition and fitness required for long stages and transfers I guerentee some will to try and make small gains, just hope it’s not many and none of the top guys.
  • 1 0
 Without reading all the comments biggest issue is ews stand off from having there own doping testing in place, and for many you can race ews and still remain outside testing just avoid uci and nat fed events.

Is ews the only World Series events without its own testing in sport?
  • 1 0
 Does Redbull count as performance enhancing, you know all that caffeine. Can't see how doping can really affect EWS, drugs can't give you the skills to go insanely fast downhill through gnarly tech sections, probably would only help on the ride between sections, but then why bother. can't see any endure rider blood packing, maybe plenty of steroids from trying to heal from breaks and fractures but that would be Doc regulated
  • 1 0
 There is a very strong probability that some do. To imagine the that the "spirit of enduro" is some magic formula for cleanliness would be naive. In this marathon mad country of mine, even the competitive amateurs have been bust on the juice.
  • 1 0
 It's a pro sport, of course there is doping. Frankly, I don't understand why anybody cares. If Lance wants to shorten his life to win all those tours, then so be it. Barry Bonds shots up to hit the Baseball 600ft, I don't care. I'm entertained by it. The role model to children argument is bullshit too. If your kid gets into a sport and progresses to that level, trainers and doctors will be override any role model if you want to win. It's just the way it is. Watch the Tomac video, he quit XC because the euros brought in the drugs from road racing. Great role model, probably the best ever in our sport. However I feel his voice would land on deaf ears when it comes to a 20yr old semi pro being a needle or pill away from being pro. We slam Lance, but what about Frischy? Miguel Martinez? Rune Hoydal? Hell, Bart Brentjas on Red Bull TV?! Oh, and maybe the IOC should be following around Nino with a cup and needle? It's cycling. There's doping.
  • 1 0
 Waki waki waki. You spend a lot of time talking. Do you actually ride? Guess what I am out. Go cheat and belittle anyone who does not share you views. Very trumpian of you. Let people be people as long as its fair. Better to ride that spend all day on the Internets.
  • 1 0
 While it obviously exists, who really cares? What I really dislike is the idea some stuck up "Anti-Doping squad" that will inevitably be riddled with corruption. Every doping agency that gets created quickly becomes a hotbed for pay offs, ignoring certain results for certain people, and all other forms of shady shit.

Listen to the riders, when they say it's a problem, its a problem. Otherwise we are just inventing a problem that will create more stupid rules for people to bend or screw around with.

That's why I like guys like Phil Atwil, he will just straight up say that courses are being dumbed down. When riders start blaming losses on doping, we will address it.
  • 1 0
 Message from Waki to Keit:"I like you, we are very similar, however just like me you fall short with your assumptions as soon as you elaborate them further. Data shortage. I just wanted to prove to you that you cannot hurt me more than I can hurt myself. Race me? Uneducated? Trumpian? Coward? Honestly? Do people actually get intimidated when you speak to them this way or you just haven't tried it in real life? You talk like a 16 year old looking for a fight. Do you know how many "discussions" like that I have had? What the hell do you think you're doing here? Trying to outsmart a fool in his own game? You can try to get on your high horse all you want. Many many tried, I am just typing sht online, I don't give a flying f*ck what people like you think of me, I am just entertaining myself. Maybe because I got more friends than enemies by putting a stick into an anthill... journos, engineers from bike companies, sales reps, mechanics and racers on WCup race. and I will care about you?

You took a wrong turn man.

Oh and no hard feelings... honestly, you're just another pissed off dude. I can understand that. Make this a better day for yourself and ignore me"
  • 2 2
 There could be a lot of people on some shit, but when they take it and what they take probably varies a ton so its hard to test for all of it. Some might be taking steroids or SARMs in the off season so they get the most out of training, but by the time races start its all out of their system. Some might have prescriptions for Adderall (like JS7) or TRT (especially guys in their 30s). I don't know how testing is conducted for EWS but if guys in the UFC where the testing is very strict manage to get away with it then I'm sure many of the EWS guys can too.

I think Curtis Keene is on TRT since he's 38 and looks the way he does, Graves is 34 and looks kind of superhuman so he may be as well.

I think the DH guys are really clean though. I doubt Sam Hill is on anything, and Gee is the only current rider I can think of that looks like he might be on something.
  • 4 0
 that wyn guy must be on drugs all the time
  • 3 1
 Absolutely! If not the rider that’s doped, check the bike! Remember the motor found in the Cyclocross rider? Top level riders are all doped!
  • 3 3
 It’s such a kick in the mountain bike balls to think that some enduro riders are doping.Im obviously biased but unlike a lot of other sports with doping in ie road riding, athletics etc , riding a mountain bike is just a f*cking cool thing to do! I’d like to think it’s more akin to surf culture Just getting buzzed on trail riding , jumping, DH . But as people have said 4 percent of them are probably just c*nts....
  • 2 2
 Yeah, I voted 10% as I'm pretty trusting. MTB is too cool and too much fun to need to even think like that. But I'm sure there are some knuts that'd do it.
  • 2 0
 listen to what the racers are saying in series' like on track. Rude's main point is that he doesn't ever want to see a high number beside his name. For a lot of top racers, it's more about winning than enjoying a ride.
  • 1 0
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: they enjoy winning. If cs:go players take aderall (e-sports) what makes you think our guys don't do it?
  • 4 0
 Some? Absolutely. Most? Probably not.
  • 2 2
 Every pro in every major sport is doping and everybody needs to get over it or just stop caring about someone setting new records.. Football's greatest star Lionel Messi was pumped so much HGH that the dude's muscle are like titanium.. plays 90 minutes of every game and is rarely injured.. and when he does get injured is from some other player tackling him or something like that.. but doping doesn't take away from talent.. Anyone here doubts that lebron is juicing too? or some other top player.. Rafael Nadal? come on guys..
  • 1 1
 Remember those times on an enduro race where all competitors carry huge backpacks filled with water and something to eat? Now they only carry 500cc of water and few chocolate bars... And spent HOURS on their bikes? No doping? Yeah sure...
(Or they can be food supplied in the middle of a race? They can? So where is the ENDURance?)
  • 4 0
 Sam Hill dopes with a shot of bad assness
  • 1 0
 Its not just traditional doping. They will have to test for prescription drugs like Modafinil and designer drugs like SARM's. Over the last decade these have become far more prevalent.
  • 1 0
 Modafinil wont do anything to help athletes
  • 1 0
 @me2menow: How would it not?
  • 1 2
 @Y12Sentinel: cortisol release, adrenal fatigue, a host of side effects that are detrimental to physical performance. Same idea how redbull athletes dont actually drink redbull
  • 2 1
 @me2menow: Cortisol release is natural part of human hormone patterns and not bad. There is many myths about it but thats another topic all in itself. Studies show modafinil do not effect cortisol. Example www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9682182

Also adrenal fatigue is not a proven medical condition and people need to quit perpetuating it. There are plenty of gold medalists and other top athletes who admitted to using Modafinil.
  • 1 1
 I'd be surprised if there wasn't any doping going on. Man had always does whatever it takes to get ahead. More so when there's no one really watching. You bet your ass there's more than a handful of EWS guys that are on the gear.
  • 3 0
 1 banana, good. 2 banana makes you strong. 3 banana strong keep doctor away,
  • 2 0
 Many of the weekend warrior enduro bros in my area use PED's, so the pros absolutely must be using them. Just look at some of these guys' faces. It's not hard to tell.
  • 2 0
 I'd say let them use PEDs.

I want to see the strongest athletes the pharmacist/chemist can make.
I want to watch super human riders destroying trees with their shoulders.
  • 1 0
 For those of you that have Netflix I recommend watching a documentary on there called "Icarus" it will open your eyes to doping in cycling and in sport in general.
  • 1 0
 Bottom line if the testing allows it to get by, there is going to be doping, especially with money and sponsorship on the line. Check out the documentary "Icarus" on Netflix.
  • 2 1
 nsmb.com/articles/competing-higher-level

well...... maybe not performance enhancing but other sports sure test for it.
  • 7 8
 Look at the the top pro xc racers. Do they look like druggies. You start making accusations and claims of doping in mountain biking you are not putting a positive image to the sport. More like trying to stir shite with dirty laundry.
  • 4 0
 There's doping in every sport. If you don't think so you need to open your eyes
  • 4 0
 LOL what? There are more than a few ex pro BC XC riders....Canadian riders that have either been caught, admitted, or have been suspected of doping in the past 10-15 years....
  • 6 0
 sorry dude, but there's no look to someone who dopes. The greatest benefit of steroids is the ability to recover quicker allowing you to train more and harder. This is perfect for any form of cycling, even one with fat tires and suspension.
  • 2 4
 @whitebirdfeathers: you are making it black and white. Doping is effectively "performance enhancement". And that's a wide spectrum. We just set up an agency to determine what is legal and what isn't. In the future, and probably close one, humans will be genetically modified to become sportsmen. Current illegal stuff is is a play in the park.
  • 1 0
 I'm not here to talk shit about Nino, but seeing that guy win absolutely everything did remind me of Armstrong back in the day. When someone is that dominant it reminds me of that whole thing.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: unfortunately this is true. Any single gene trait can be changed right now. CRSPR.
  • 2 1
 @Grosey: why not just have 2 categories , 1 for clean athletes and 1 for anything goes ! I know which one I’d watch Wink
  • 2 0
 @Vaclav: meh, sometimes one guy is just better than everyone else, look at gwin or vouilloz, or Rachel atherton for example, they dominated, but it doesn't mean they cheated. Sometimes they have good years and they dominate, sometimes it's close fight, and sometimes they lose.
  • 2 1
 @rrsport: I am fuly aware of the amount of doping in the realm of top performing professionals.
If you busted them all there would be no pros to watch.
So do the drug test and get it over with.
It does not enhance my life reading about it.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Beats in a high enough concentration are natures EPO, untill WADA puts beat juice on the list most pro road times will continue to hammer the beat juice every morning along with loads of Caffeine.
  • 1 0
 @Matt115lamb: yep. I know which one id race if I had the resources. To be a human mx bike...
  • 1 0
 @Squamishboz: is this for real, im hittung up some googlescholar. Ill be back.
  • 2 0
 @Squamishboz: so its bullshit. Only reference thats legit is for anoemic population.

Increases NO2 - well so does Arginine. But NO2 is super short lived and just relaxes arteries & veins. Viagra works better and more efficiently doing the same thing.

Id bet your boys who claim beetroot juice are using EPO and this is the cover. Met a bodybuilder wo claims its just creatine and protein? Same MO.
  • 3 0
 @Grosey:
"Viagra works better and more efficiently doing the same thing. "
...but riding with a boner.
  • 2 0
 why don't they test the riders? Should go for xc, dh, road, and endure. Keep it fair
  • 2 1
 I believe many athletes in the EWS are doping. The ends justify the means. Listen to Tomac innthe Bell helmets video. They're only screwing themselves.
  • 2 0
 "I've seen riders smoke weed before World Cups or World Champs" - Jaysus...
  • 4 1
 how is that surprising? Can anybody honestly look at the Rat and not think that's a possibility?
  • 4 1
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: They said performance enhancing....
  • 1 0
 @Rucker10: Did you watch the CG video? UCI was treating pot like EPO for DH riders. Whether that's for the public image of the sport or actual performance...
  • 3 1
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs:
Josh is a goddamn athlete, never been near a bong...
  • 1 0
 @Rucker10: never understood why weed is really considered doping, maybe from the prohibition days?
  • 1 0
 @panchocampbell: That's stupid. My pre-race ritual is a breakfast burrito, some 20 or 30 me time on the toilet, then a healthy shot of Scotch (something in the 14-20 year range,) while waiting in line at the start gate. Pretty soon they gonna come out and say Chorizo and whiskey are performance enhancing.
  • 5 1
 I'm high on life
  • 5 2
 Flat pedals are dope... Sam is a beast.
  • 2 0
 Not sure if anyone has mention this, as I did not read other post.
Netflix has a movie," Icarus", it's a eye opener.
  • 5 1
 Who cares?
  • 2 1
 There’s always a cheat. Might not be one of the big guys could quite easily be one of the bottom ranked riders desperate to keep his job
  • 1 0
 I reckon that's exactly who is most likely to cheat. Reading Tyler Hamilton's book, that was the dilemma every rider came to at some point.
  • 3 0
 Why is this a poll and not some sort of scientific based investigation?
  • 1 0
 pro riders know other pros who get dopped, but nobody speaks out?? Why i do not get it???
Cheating and winning is WINNING.... f*ck racing!!!
  • 2 0
 Doping slows you down for sure! I've stopped plenty of times mid run to reach into my "kit" and do some thinking
  • 1 0
 I don’t like roadies, but when i saw the movie “program” i start believing that everyone uses performance enhancing drugs
  • 1 0
 I'd like to think no, but who's to judge if they like to blaze before riding? I'd hardly call that a performance enhancing drug. Life style choice, sure.
  • 2 1
 "All you mother f.ckers are on steroids. All you mother f.ckers, all of you are on steroids"
  • 3 0
 LET THE EPO FLOW!
  • 1 0
 Everyone should take time out of there day to watch the documentary on Netflix about doping and biking.
  • 1 1
 Not clean at all. If you're a professional athlete you will do whatever it takes to be the best. Most of the time that is is drugs. All the top guys are on roids
  • 1 0
 It’s good to test during the season but they must look more during the off season..
  • 2 1
 Terrible poll...would be much better to estimate percentage of dopers. My guess is 4%
  • 1 0
 Wasn't an amateur enduro racer caught for doping about five years ago? I will try to find the link.
  • 2 0
 I guess i don't care one way or the other
  • 2 2
 Any of you guys that believe there's such a thing as a clean professional athlete.... you probably believe in the tooth fairy too
  • 2 0
 If beer drinking counts as doping I’m guilty
  • 1 0
 If there are not doping tests then for sure some will try to gain an advantage. Period.
  • 2 4
 100% dopers on EWS,is that what the vast majority of you thinks about the athletes? Why is that? "All that guys are fitter and faster than me,must be doping!" How about training,eating right,sweating the details,putting all your heart and soul into something...did any of you tried to reach your max by all legal means? I find the results of this poll nothing but disrespect to all the hard working doping free athletes on this sport. And I believe they are the majority.
  • 3 0
 4:20
  • 1 0
 4:27...
  • 1 0
 I've heard drinking a can of Red Bull and a can of Monster in succession is considered doping.
  • 1 0
 Unless they employ year-round Olympic style PED testing, I doubt it they are clean. Most likely top athletes use PED.
  • 4 3
 Fruit and veg - free doping son. Meat, dairy and eggs make you stupid, slow, fat, stinky.
  • 5 0
 Meat, diary, and eggs would be free doping compared to fruits and veggies. Omega 3 presnthesized to DHA/EPA, K2, D3, heme Iron, B12, creatine, carnosine, taurine, l caritine, pre-synthesized vitamin a, HBV protein, i could go on.....and on.....and on......
  • 3 1
 @Y12Sentinel: are you telling me that the diet we humans have survived on and developed over thousands of years is good for me? I though I was supposed to eat like a cow!
  • 1 0
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: the diet we developed over thousands of years was good for us , I’d say from about 1970 it’s good dh ! There’s never been so many fat f**kers on the this planet , I’m surprised there’s any food left !
  • 1 0
 @Matt115lamb: that's when diets shifted from high omega 3 fat ratio to high omega 6 ratio. More grains, margarine, and very few healthy fats.
  • 1 0
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: Because we have multiple stomachs to process the amount of plant material required and spend 80% of our life feeding.
  • 1 0
 @Y12Sentinel: we were all told animal fats were unhealthy and they were replaced with veggie fats and and sugar , big era !
  • 1 0
 I'm more interested in mechanical doping aka tiny motors in the bottom bracket.
  • 2 0
 Let em dope! May the best chemist win!
  • 2 0
 Ill Go for the „pussy fart“ Option then Wink
  • 2 0
 i really can't imagine Sam Hill as someone who use drugs!
  • 1 0
 people said that about Armstrong. I always appreciated Ulrich's answer when they asked him if he would be happy to accept Armstrong's wins of The Tour. For someone a little simpler he said so much with so few words.
  • 1 0
 What's the point of the question? How whatwe guess or think is going to address the doping issue?
  • 1 0
 I don't see how doping would help you in enduro, unless is magically improved your line choices or something
  • 1 0
 Robusta and local-shitty-booze – a big doping problem on EWS, look at Barelli
  • 1 0
 I am ashamed for all those finding rhetoric to defend dopers and cheaters. You moral being if all do it then its ok. Gtfo
  • 3 1
 Does weed count?
  • 1 0
 There was an cyclist band for weed, but personally i would give him double cudos for winning on weed lol
  • 1 0
 Personally, I'd say no...
  • 1 0
 Then you got motor doping!
  • 1 0
 The video is pretty funny.

Lol 12:12
Lol "Doping to keep your wife"
  • 1 0
 Great interview with CG, top guy! he had me in stiches
  • 1 0
 biking is dope and MTBers are dope. They don't need to dope
  • 11 10
 29 tons of troll food... sooo dope
  • 2 1
 Nah man I like to think mountain bikers aint twats
  • 3 1
 No dope except cbd oil
  • 3 2
 Question 2: Does Howdy Doody have wooden balls?
  • 4 3
 Why? You trying to figure out what material the splinter in your lip is from?
  • 1 2
 @therealtylerdurden: Ha that's not bad actually, but you're the troll swingin on MY nuts again.
  • 2 2
 @endlessblockades: no no lol. I will not get in your van no matter how much candy you have, sir!
  • 2 1
 Go watch the Icarus documentary on Netflx, then vote again
  • 2 1
 as long as Sam Hill is there no dope will win haha
  • 2 1
 EPO chmpagne & cocaine.
  • 1 0
 Maybe the ews riders can speak up about doping. Come clean.
  • 1 0
 Do post race bongs and beers counts as performances enhancement?
  • 3 0
 well you may be more inclined to reach the finish line faster if you know you have some goodies waiting for you
  • 2 0
 Who cares?
  • 1 0
 Watch iracus on Netflix it’s new and it amazing documentary on doping.
  • 1 0
 I've been doping all day and still kom'd!! :>
  • 1 0
 Check out the Netflix documentary "Icarus".
It's a bit of an eye opener.
  • 2 0
 Weed slows me down
  • 1 0
 Sometimes I take Advil before a long ride.
  • 1 0
 greatest drug of ´em all: FLAT PEDALS!!
  • 1 0
 You still all got beat by flat pedals... hahaha
  • 1 0
 You want dope?

That's how you get dope.

Ask it and they will come.
  • 2 0
 Not this shit agin
  • 1 0
 Rat Boy Holistic Doping! LOL
  • 1 0
 Dopey article.
Is any sport at top level completely clean ?
  • 1 0
 As long as they aren't using ebikes they might as well drink rocket fuel
  • 1 0
 I hate speculation, or guessing. We will see.
  • 1 0
 Drugs kick ass. All people should do them
  • 2 0
 This poll aged well.
  • 1 0
 juice head turkeys
  • 2 2
 2:01 Cedric Is SO French! LOL
  • 1 1
 Jeeze... 100% taking it away. Not a lot of faith in humanity anymore.
  • 1 0
 #DOPESTRONG
  • 1 0
 I love dope
  • 1 0
 985 readers are naive.
  • 1 1
 I dunno Richie thiccccc
  • 1 3
 They ALL shootin up.
  • 1 4
 Adderall. That's all.
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