First Ride: Polygon's New XquarOne DH

Aug 8, 2018
by Mike Kazimer  


Polygon's XquarOne EX attracted all sorts of attention when it debuted in the spring of 2017, and for good reason. The otherworldly frame design stood out from the ever-growing crop of four-bar lookalikes, and its performance on the trail was out of the ordinary as well. It wasn't long before members of the Polygon UR team were spotted riding DH bikes with a similar suspension layout as the XquarOne EX, and semi-camouflaged prototypes started appearing at Crankworx and World Cup events around the globe. That bike, called the XquarOne DH, is now ready for public consumption, with two complete models and a frame-only option hitting the market.
XquarOne DH Details
• Intended use: downhill
• Wheel size: 27.5"
• Rear wheel travel: 218mm
• Carbon frame
• 63° head angle
• 440mm chainstays
• Super Boost 157 rear spacing
• Sizes: S-XL
• DH9: $6,399 USD, DH8: $4,999 USD
www.polygonbikes.com

29” DH bikes have been a hot topic this season, but Polygon chose to go with 27.5” wheels for the XquarOne DH, stating that they were focused more on creating a bike that was fun to ride, and wasn't strictly for DH racers. Now, whenever I come across a marketing pitch that supports the idea that 29” downhill bikes aren't fun to ride I tend to roll my eyes, mainly because it's an antiquated notion that wheelsize has any relation to the level of enjoyment delivered by a bike, but that's a topic for another time. Big squishy DH bikes are fun no matter what size wheels they have. Anyways, back to the XquarOne DH.

Along with 27.5” wheels, the bike also has 218mm (8.6”) of rear travel that's delived via the Snuffleupagus-looking NAILD R3ACT suspension layout. The suspension configuration is relatively the same as the XquarOne EX, but the shock tune was developed with the rigors of downhill riding and racing in mind.


Polygon XquarOne DH
Polygon XquarOne DH

Frame Details

The XquarOne DH's frame is carbon from tip to tail (excluding the rocker links and the stanchion that the swingarm slides on), part of the reason Polygon were able to keep the weight down to a very reasonable 8.8 pounds, including the shock.

Super Boost 157 spacing has begun to pop up on a handful of trail and enduro bikes, and it also makes an appearance here on the XquarOne DH. That means there's a 12x157mm rear end matched to BB92 bottom bracket, rather than the BB107 or threaded 83mm bottom bracket shell that you'd typically expect to find on a DH bike.

The rear brake and derailleur housing are tucked away inside the frame, emerging only briefly to bridge the gap between the front triangle and the swingarm. The frame's unique shape leaves a lot of surface area exposed in front of the bottom bracket shell, so Polygon installed a thick plastic protector to keep the bike's underbelly safe from rock damage. There's also a fender attached to the swingarm, complete with a label warning that the bike isn't to be ridden without the fender in place.

Polygon XquarOne DH
The XquarOne DH's elevated chainstays are part of the reason this unique machine stands out from the crowd.

Polygon XquarOne DH

Polygon XquarOne DH
The swingarm slides on a large aluminum stanchion as the bike goes through its 218mm of travel.
Polygon XquarOne DH
The NAILD suspension layout is designed to work best with a shock that has a very low amount of damping.

Suspension Design

If you're unfamiliar with the NAILD suspension design, here's the basic rundown. The swingarm is attached to the front triangle by a short aluminum link, and the shock is driven by a yoke that wraps around the seat tube. That description would work for a number of dual-link designs, but there's one more element to this system – an aluminum stanchion tube that the swingarm slides over. No, it's not another shock, just like the two short rods on Yeti's Switch Infinity design aren't tiny shocks either. Instead, this layout allow for the bike to have a consistent amount of anti-squat (between 98 – 110%) throughout the entire gear range. In theory, that means the bike should still pedal well even if you're at the bottom of the cassette and need to throw in a couple extra pedal strokes to get speed for a jump, or putting down the power for a final sprint to the finish line.

The NAILD design works best with a shock that has a very low amounts of compression and rebound damping, and in this case a custom tuned Fox Float X2 gets the job done.


Polygon XquarOne DH

Geometry

The XquarOneDH's geometry numbers fall right in line with what you'd expect from this style of bike – it has a 63-degree head angle, 440mm chainstays, and a reach of 450mm for a size large. Standover height remains the same for all four sizes, which makes it easy for riders looking for a little extra length to size up. The lack of an XXL may have the tallest of riders looking elsewhere, but as it is the four sizes should cover a wide range of heights.


Build Kits

Along with the two complete bikes, the DH9 and the DH8, Polygon will also offer the XquarOne DH as a frame only option for $2,999 (including the Fox Float X2 shock), or it can be purchased with a Fox 40 Float fork for $4,399.

Polygon XquarOne DH

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Polygon XquarOne DH
Mick Hannah doing what he does best aboard the XquarOneDH.

First Ride Impressions

In a perfect world, this would be where I'd describe the nuances of the XquarOne DH's handling, and report on how it's been holding up to long days in the Whistler Bike Park. Unfortunately, that plan didn't really work out the way I'd hoped, and I've been on the injured reserve list for the last few weeks.

However, I did get in a couple of laps in the park before being forced to the sidelines, laps that made one thing abundantly clear: the XquarOne DH delivers an incredible amount of traction, especially while cornering. Typically, it's pretty easy to let the back end get drifty when summer is in full swing and the trails are dry and dusty - all it takes is a subtle weight shift in the right scenario and the rear wheel of almost any bike out there will break free and slide around like a gymkhana car. With the XquarOne DH it's a different story – that rear tire feels absolutely glued to the ground, no matter how hard you push into it. It's a wild feeling, one that quickly leads to increased confidence when heading into a sharp turn with a good head of steam.

bigquotesThe XquarOne DH delivers an incredible amount of traction.Mike Kazimer

That massive amount of traction had me expecting to need to fight to get airborne, but the XquarOne responded relatively well. There's not as much pop as you'd find with something like a YT Tues, but it didn't take a massive amount of effort to take flight either. My abbreviated stint on this bike left me with plenty of unanswered questions – I'm curious about how the bike will feel in really rough, choppy terrain, and about how the swingarm elements will fare when it comes to durability, but I'll need more time on the bike before I can figure out the answers.

Stay tuned.


197 Comments

  • + 308
 Me: Shopkeep I'd like that new Exxx Quarrr One please
Shop Dude: Huh!
Me: You know the Ex Queeaarrr One DH
Shop Dude: Are you even using words?
Me: f*ckit! Can I have a Session please
  • + 400
 Shop Dude: Now your speaking English. We have 18 different bikes that looks like a Session.
  • + 15
 Its taken so long for this bike to come out that I bet we see the Hannahs riding a totally new polygon next season!
  • + 15
 Shop joker: What do you call a dead parrot...?
  • + 3
 @heavyp:
What are you talking about? It's had a crazy short development period. Some bikes take years to be released
  • + 7
 Me: Do you mean the Norwegian Blue Parrot?
  • + 10
 @megatryn: it's pining for the fjords
  • + 15
 "Polygon chose to go with 27.5” wheels for the XquarOne DH, stating that they were focused more on creating a bike that was fun to ride, and wasn't strictly for DH racers. "

Just gonna leave this here...
  • + 7
 @rarrity: A polite way to say they couldn't fit 29" on the frame with that cinematic ! Pretty sure they'll find a way to make a ' 29' version that is 12% faster than the 650b version, while being equally as fun and 8,4% stiffer' soon.
  • + 29
 @Boardlife69:
It looks like a YT front end with a 1993 Cannondale Super V Rear triangle, and 2004-2011 Honda Civic CV Steering axle connecting them at the bottom bracket. lol
  • + 5
 @rarrity: "we designed a bike to lessen the chance the Hannah's would be able to win on by ensuring it was fun and not really for DH racing."

Thats how I read that lol
  • + 2
 @vjunior21: Honda steering axle? Thats clearly a 1976 Datsun unibody frame.
  • + 0
 @vjunior21: yeah, its got that "contraption" look about it, for sure
  • + 4
 @Boardlife69:
Or a gas cylinder from under an office chair. Where is the lever that makes it go up and down?
  • + 3
 @rarrity:
Build to ensure a third place win or less in the women's category.

Dam it I had to say it and all I really want to see Tracey on the top of the podium. I mean the girl took third place in the 2017 world championship after crashing and being knocked out on the course.

MTWA: Make Tracey Win Again.
  • + 1
 @sam264: Pretty sure the team have been on this bike for over a year and its carbon so pretty sure it was all set and ready to go and they have only just released it worst kept Prototype in the industry maybe ahha
  • + 161
 Ellsworth: I guaranteee no one else can make an uglier bike...
Polygon: hold my beer!
  • - 76
flag RedBurn (Aug 8, 2018 at 1:50) (Below Threshold)
 since when are ellsworth bike ugly??? never got this thing
  • + 22
 @RedBurn: Quote from Redalp?
  • - 10
flag RedBurn (Aug 8, 2018 at 2:04) (Below Threshold)
 @chyu: no, of my own
  • + 51
 Ugliness is subjective to how many beers you've been drinking.
  • + 27
 @Boardlife69: Exactly, there's nothing i find more aesthetically pleasing than the silhouette cast by a shitting dog
  • - 3
 One bolt or rocker link fails and the whole bike would split in half. Looks like a bitch to clean and maintain. Definitely made for the circus.
  • + 12
 I think that actually looks pretty cool as a downhill bike! I am 2 beers in though...
  • + 2
 Hey it's the perfect name, it looks like it's made of polygons... It's kinda strange, but I kinda like it too.
  • + 36
 90% of Pinkbike: "...it looks like another Session. Bike manufacturers need to be more adventurous!!" or similar about most bikes. Polygon gets 'more adventurous. 90% of Pinbike: "..it's awful, what were they thinking?, kill it with fire, etc. etc. "
  • - 2
 Nah actually my engineer friend in our C.A.D. department was looking at it and this is exactly what he said. The whole bike is held together buy a couple bolts in the linkages. It would be unusual but catastrophic fail would occur if one were to break. I'm not into that but it definitely looks nice and geo is spot on, also like the extra travel 218mm.
  • + 14
 @fecalmaster: has your engineer friend looked at a high percentage of the other suspension bikes on the market? That same thing could be said about them.
  • + 4
 The bike reminds me Honda RN01! It looks sick Smile
  • + 2
 Outselling YT in 3...2...
  • - 5
flag fecalmaster (Aug 8, 2018 at 20:13) (Below Threshold)
 @Hyakian: Keep telling yourself that.
  • + 5
 @fecalmaster @Hyakian

Any Orange FS bike is at the mercy of precisely two bolts sharing an axis, and those are some of the toughest machines around.
  • + 4
 If Dyson made a bike...
  • + 2
 @fecalmaster: I guess if a bolt falls out of your 4 bar linkage the bike remains perfectly ridable and you definitely wouldn't fall off as the rear wheel jams in the frame.
  • - 4
flag fecalmaster (Aug 9, 2018 at 2:21) (Below Threshold)
 @ermoldaker: You are learning, but ever slowly. sorry to hurt your butts soo much
  • - 5
flag fecalmaster (Aug 9, 2018 at 3:15) (Below Threshold)
 @Hyakian: Yes he actually is a genius frame designer and hardware gluten. If you saw what he showed me in CAD and the possibility of completely loosing the back of your bike???????????????????????????????????
  • + 1
 @fecalmaster: How many frames have you ever seen fail this way?
  • + 3
 Too many to count but I grew up riding the secret testing ground for prototypes Plattekill NY. We would see proto's from just about every manufacture try sneaking one past because the terrain was known for snapping frames and people in half.
  • + 1
 @fecalmaster: would that not be the case for most FS bikes....?
  • + 1
 @JBSDesigns: Some more than others but yes.
  • + 1
 @fecalmaster: ^^^^^^ THIS^^^^^^^
  • + 2
 Don't call me Surley
  • + 106
 I CAME HERE FOR A LINKAGE VIDEO
  • + 6
 ^^
  • + 2
 What's the deal with the red equal sign and a pin through it logo, is that supposed to be the linkage symbol or something?
  • + 5
 @Rasterman: Yep. The name of the company that developed it is... "NAILD"...
  • + 1
 Hahaha
  • + 76
 Can I be first to say - Does not look like a session
  • + 22
 Yeah they went full speed ahead, balls deep in with Can’t Look Like A Session. They really front fillped it to flat and made it. Respect the send
  • + 63
 It looks like a 6th band member from GWAR.
  • + 19
 Looks like a Trek VRX?
  • - 6
flag Rasterman (Aug 8, 2018 at 9:42) (Below Threshold)
 The first carbon bike frame that weighs over 10 pounds
  • + 3
 @Rasterman: Uh the article said it was in the 8 lb range.
  • + 5
 Looks like a Marin
  • + 32
 I'm not sure if I'm just used to this platform now or if it's because it's a DH bike or what, but THAT finally looks right. Check out the seat tube angle - it looks like it's winding up a haymaker. Hot damn.
  • + 12
 Yeah I like the way it looks. Looks mean and exotic. Not another session frame.
  • + 1
 yessir, i'd ride that thing.
  • + 6
 Right on--is this the thread where I can say I like it without being negged into the darkness? Because I have zero issues with the way this thing looks. I'll go as far as to say it even looks sort of badass. And at the end of the day I could look like a monkey humping a football while I ride it, so long as the bike does its job and I'm having fun!
  • + 20
 Uh oh, another website managed to snap their down tube, apparently due to pre-production QA issues with sanding. Yikes!
  • + 6
 @acraftygnome: Thanks for the heads up! Sounds like more than a sanding issues IMHO.
  • + 16
 @lenmerderdenfer: it's ok, for production they have gone to grit 3000 grade paper Facepalm
  • + 2
 The Saracen Myst has the same issue, I guess due to a massive load right in the middle of the downtube...
  • + 1
 They did not manage to snap it, they managed to crack it. Minnaar snapped his frame at vds I am curious how badly he cased the jump to crack it though.
  • + 7
 @onemind123: Minnaar did not snap it, an eco warrior tree just proved it was stronger than carbon
  • + 12
 @onemind123: Cracking when a giant South African rides into the fence post of doom at mach chicken and cracking when some journo spud cases a drop are hardly the same thing. I imagine said journo spud cases a lot of drops over the course of a year without drama.
  • + 1
 @Fix-the-Spade: that is a fair assessment, but the statement that said rider snapped the downtube was completely incorrect.

Journo Spud. Lol.
  • + 4
 @sewer-rat: Wait, isn't a tree mainly carbon?
  • + 1
 @onemind123: To be fair Seb actually has hair, Guy's the one who looks like a spud.
  • + 4
 @onemind123: Snapped: "to cause something that is thin to break suddenly and quickly with a cracking sound" courtesy of the Cambridge English dictionary. What did I say about the downtube snapping that was 'completely incorrect'? Thin, check. Break, check. Sudden, check. Quickly, check. Cracking sound, check. Wow, I can be pedantic too!
  • - 2
 @
Sorry icant stand bike radar site cuz it tooo heavy loading content ans too much publicity and pop up. Sorry bro it took too long for my taste. Didnt evar see the cracked frame cuz it too long to load ( 10 second ) ***gasp*** and i hit the back bitton to PB FFS !!!!

Bike radar is utter crap compared to PB
  • + 1
 @sewer-rat: but i've read that carbon is stronger than steel...
  • + 2
 in this computer era, fea should have caught that overload point waaaay before molds were made. Sanding lol BS. flawed napkin sketch more likely.
  • + 12
 This bike rides awful and my friend broke one. Plus it has those cranks that Paul Aston bent. How the heck am I going to write around this one?

“I was hurt and couldn’t ride it”

Still got the talking points about 29ers being fun in. We must condition people to the future of 2020 when 27.5 is dead and SuperBoost rules all. Build is decent though. Except the same exact Saint brakes people were riding when GW Bush was still president.
  • + 9
 My favorite is “tend to roll my eyes at the antiquated notion that wheelsize affects the level of enjoyment”. You’re a*sholes have been perpetuating that bullshit! Back-pedal away though, it is a bike website, so it’s perfectly ironic.
  • + 5
 Paul Aston bent the LG1 entry level cranks. These are the LG1+ which use a stronger higher quality alloy.
  • + 7
 @wibblywobbly, believe me, if there was any way I could have spent more time on the bike instead of on the injured list I would have.

And @SlodownU, please find me one place where I've said I wasn't having as much fun because of a bike's wheelsize. I've written about performance differences between one wheelsize versus another - that's part of my job after all - but I can certainly have just as much fun on a 26" bike as I can on a 29" bike.
  • + 3
 @mikekazimer: Well this connundrum has a rather simply solution; just wait to review the bike once you're healthy.
  • + 1
 @honda50r: when the embargo lifts, you put out what you have. quote from article: "stay tuned." there will be more. in the meantime, read other outlets issues with breaking frames. that should quench your thirst for a bit.
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer:
How bad is/was ur injury ?
  • + 2
 @mikekazimer: You may have not said it yourself, but go and look at the totality of what was written on this site over the past year, and its been implied, if not said by some others. Same can be said for the short-travel phenom, this whole "down-country" nonsense, that somehow a longer travel bike is now more than we need? Then it all takes on a life of its own in the comment section. Listen, I'm not faulting you guys, just saying it as I see it.
  • + 12
 Awesome to see something new on the market. We all hate change (26ers 4ever!), but this might just be a damn good bike!
  • + 8
 Makes 8" travel DH bike, creates stoke video that shows how well it could compete on a smooth/jumpy slopestyle course. DH bikes should show how well the rear end can track choppy sections, not how well they (the rider) can jump!
  • + 10
 Put a long seatpost on that bike and you'll be doing manuals by just sitting down! but i love the idea of trying something new and dareing.
  • + 7
 I'm curious to hear about the shock binding, due to flex in the linkages, that many other testers of the trail bike have commented on.
  • + 6
 BikeRadar's Seb Stott:

"Unlike the Marin Wolf Ridge, which uses its own version of the R3act system, I didn’t notice any issues with frame flex or shock binding."

www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/category/bikes/mountain-bikes/full-suspension/product/polygon-xquareone-dh9-review-52156
  • + 3
 @Bluefire:

I wont go to bike radar.

Too much crap. Heavy content. Useless publicity. Toi many window to other link. Toi heavy to load on my phone.

PB is simple and faster loading ,1 advertisment per page is good nuff and fun to read the comments
  • + 1
 @Foes2001: Hey, fair enough - Pinkbike is my main site too. The section I quoted was really all the relevant material.
  • + 7
 That swingarm reminds me of the old cannondale super V DH bikes, they should have gone full retro with the front triangle too
  • + 5
 Looking forward to read a review of this bike. I think it looks better as a dh bike. Also interesting to see how it races, could get some good times with all that traction they speak of.
  • + 3
 Most suspension platforms cause the frame to collapse (or fold) when they go deep into their travel, given the way the back end moves relative to the slider it's no wonder that this design keeps the rear wheel glued to the ground. I imagine that this also has the effect of driving the fork a bit as well. It's interesting to me that very few reviewers comment on this. I like and wouldn't hesitate to throw my leg over one. Good work D, Z and team!
  • + 6
 i like it. well done Polygone! But does it have a bottle opener and a torch?
  • + 4
 @mikekazimer So In the video it shows him climbing a downhill bike. It looks like its trucking pretty well too. I was wondering. Did you try this? Because if a downhill bike can climb like that, that is pretty interesting.
  • + 6
 Don't believe everything you see on TV... This is still a downhill bike, and even though it pedals relatively well, that slack seat angle, dual crown fork, and 218mm of travel make it much, much better suited for descending rather than climbing.
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: But would you say it does better pedalling than other companies? I just wondering because on Marins website they say their enduro bike the Wolf Ridge is under the class of “All mountain, Enduro, and Cross Country.” Does this suspension design really climb that good? I do understand that its characteristics of being a downhill bike hinder its uphill abilities, but still, Im curious haha.
  • + 1
 You know they could easily just have pumped that shock to max pressure and made it look like a hardtail by doing so, right?
  • + 2
 @Loki87: And we know that companies should not do that, and companies know they shouldnt either. Just have some hope.
  • + 3
 Been racing with the XquarOne Ex9 now for the past year I think this DH bike will be great. Few weeks back we were riding Hafjell bike park with bunch of friends until i broke my rear wheel by accident and had to rent a DH bike (scott gambler 17) which felt like a real downgrade even riding those black downhill trails. The suspension is just working so well with the polygon. Before the Ex9 i had a Commencal meta 4 and switching from there to Polygon felt like cheating. It just levitates over the rough stuff that i previously had so much trouble with. Of course the bike is not perfect and it has it's hick-ups but nothing any other bike wouldn't have. Yes the rear end has more flex than for example Orbea rallon but why would it need to be super stiff?
  • + 6
 Time to move on from Session..
  • + 2
 Looks like a xquar ?
  • + 5
 Went to their site to get more info. Came across their SISKIU N9. One hell of a build or $3K USD!
  • + 2
 i still dont understand why they go with this design. the previous polygon was a kinematic masterpiece. besides all the "its magic but you would not understand it" the kinematics of that system are not the best. the look is horrible too.
  • + 3
 personally I think it looks cool in a futuristic way and love the out of the box approach for the chassis - would love to try one
  • + 1
 Give the so called revolutionary design, the reviews have been fairly mixed on the trail version of this suspension. Some felt there was some magic, others not so much, and a few felt it was kind of horrible. Pretty wide mix of opinions. I'm just surprised that something so different that has been out almost 2 years now hasn't formed a a consensus on its performance. I guess in the end we see people winning and succeeding on so many different platforms - its almost enough to make me think its the rider not the bike but nah that's crazy talk.
  • + 4
 I called an ex-girlfriend “Snuffleupagus-looking” once. I also got a black eye, once.
  • + 5
 I actually think its cool...
  • + 1
 also not a brilliant thing that bikeradar broke there test bike without bottoming out the suspension. Sure they say they have rectified this so the frame wont crack on the production models but really shouldnt happen to review ones either.
  • + 1
 Really? Sure it's not perfect, but pre production is just that, a time to tool, build and test. And, that is what bikeradar got to test, a pre production sample. How about the test bikes that were raced on the world cup? If this was a chronic problem, you would have seen the UR team failing frames as well. Maybe this also speaks the riding talent of the bikeradar reviewer? The guy came up short and cased a jump... Given the time frame that they have been working on this bike, it does not seem like they are rushing to market an unfinished product.
  • + 1
 @Hyakian: but he didnt even get through all the travel on the suspension so not exactly the harshest landing. The tech guy admitted it was a qc problem so not the fault of the rider, In otherwords it shouldnt have happened due to the landing. I just hope that other areas of the assembly are better controlled throughout the frame. Also do you expect bikeradar guys to be part of the polygon test process in regards to frame safety? i hope they test what we will be getting otherwise if its not representative of what we the public ride then it seems odd to bother reviewing a bike that will change before we buy it.

in other words the review bike broke and the manufacturers said it was their production issue that caused it but dont worry yours wont do it so please spend several thousands on our bike and trust us.

yeh hardly a great start but sure spin it however you see fit.
  • + 4
 Fun fact of the day. Did you know that anyway doesn't have an S on the end?
  • + 10
 Correct - but "anyways" does! Wink
  • + 2
 "The NAILD suspension layout is designed to work best with a shock that has a very low amount of damping."

if that is the case why are they using an air shock and not a simpler coil (not a coil shock) ?
  • + 5
 Because the choice of air or coil has nothing to do with the damper?
  • + 0
 Air has better ramp up characteristics. More progressive near the end of stroke without the use of damping.
  • + 1
 i get what you are asking... you can build into a spring an inherent level of damping... and i wonder the same thing as you... i am sure there is more to come from this system...
  • + 4
 Actually this is the first one of those suspension designs that looks good...
  • + 1
 hahah love how marketing works now days!!!
29 is for racing and 27,5 now is the fun bike Big Grin
When most of riders asked can you leave 26 for fun and 39 do for racing, than they sad no no no,
but now there is solution Smile
  • + 3
 For years I have wondered how to spell Snuffleupagus. Now I know. Thanks Mike!
  • + 0
 "Now, whenever I come across a marketing pitch that supports the idea that 29” downhill bikes aren't fun to ride I tend to roll my eyes, mainly because it's an antiquated notion that wheelsize has any relation to the level of enjoyment delivered by a bike, but that's a topic for another time." @mikekazimer

Whoa. Colour me impressed.
  • + 4
 Woh Yeah, Looks Slack, Polygon Xquareone, I Want One.
  • + 4
 It actually looks better and more normal as a dh bike vs the trail version
  • + 1
 Considering what a ground breaking suspension it's supposed to be, Mick and Tracy Hannah's results don't seem that great this season aboard it. You'd think they'd have an edge up on any pedaling sections of the tracks.
  • + 1
 That's a disadvantage the rest of the time the chain is messing with rear suspension action...
  • + 2
 @yzedf: Oh, so you have ridden it then?
  • + 10
 Meh, I have much respect for Tracy and Mick however the field of talent is so heavily stacked these days, just an equipment advantage alone is only going to go so far.
  • + 3
 Yeah same with LB on demo and AG on tues they didn’t shine as well or how about GM with new V10 those riders are great but nope this year
  • + 4
 When a bike is so ugly it looks like an E-bike
  • - 1
 "The NAILD design works best with a shock that has a very low amounts of compression and rebound damping"

Translation, extremely linear design, high spring rate (or air pressure) to compensate. If you add compression, it will become very harsh. Reminds me a bit of my old Orange 322, very linear, barely any compression but high pressure to prevent bottoming out all the time.

Why, in this day and age, especially for a bike designed for racers, would you go for a very linear suspension design? And you can see that in the slowmo videos of the bike from the team at world cups, the bike eats up most (if not all) of the real travel at the smallest of pebbles on the track... That would probably be a really good design for an XC/AM short travel bike (smaller shocks, steeper ramp up during the travel), but not for a DH race bike...
  • + 1
 Where did it say high spring rate?
  • + 1
 Never mind, i found the reference
  • + 1
 It has low amounts of damping because of all the stiction from the giant stanchion. Kind of the reverse of flex stays (added untunable spring), but alike in that it is an untunable suspension element.
  • + 0
 @hevi: Stiction...
I guess you missed where others have said that it moves smoothly through it's travel when they remove the shock to examine it?
  • + 1
 @hevi: Is a Giant stanchion oversize plus-plus?
  • + 3
 First time this NAILED-thing-rear-triangle looks close to good.
  • + 1
 I appreciate the geo chart getting down to hundredths of a millimetre. Pretty hard to figure out the geo without this level of detail!
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 Well I think they should have gone for similar affect as prototypes, as they were at least less ugly?
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 if this has the same shitty link issue as the marin and ploygon trail bikes its a hard pass for sure......theres way to much side flex on the shorter travel bikes.
  • + 1
 Yes any suspension frame would fall apart if shock mount hard wear broke, on some bikes that is a 6mm bolt?
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 intended use - bringing down the rebel alliance.
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 No climbing ride impressions, no care.
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 Upvote if you think this design will side load the shock till failure
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 Saw quiet a few over the bars with the Hannah's last year on this bike. Makes me wanna stay far away from it
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 Right, because that couldn't have anything to do with the course, the conditions or the rider...
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 Right cause mik and Tracy Hannah are bad riders so they go over the bars a lot There was a lot of talk about never really being able to dial this bike in. I don't think it was them there are some of the best in the world @Hyakian:
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 @freeridejerk888: Lol -"There was a lot of talk"
Whatever
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 Polygon NAILD it with this bike.
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 still couldn't figure out, where the hell the sliding part of that suspension was...
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 This video of the trail bike version might help: www.pinkbike.com/video/469250
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 @mikekazimer: I know I've said this before but, is it possible to do these vids an squash the fork too?like push the middle of the bike. Just pushing the rear sets off my OCD Big Grin Big Grin
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 @mikekazimer: this is very clear, thank you
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 I have to say that I like it. Maintanace seems to be nightmare, but I would really love to try it.
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 Why one?
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 Why moar?
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 because 2 xquare is 4 I guess?
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 @PhillipJ: two plus two is four minus one.... you get it.







QUICK MAFFS.
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 Because N+1, DUH!
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 @colincolin: clac clac bumm bummm
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 Thank you @mikekazimer for using Snuffleupagus in a bike review. Salute
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 Rear triangle like HONDA from back in the day...otherwise UGH
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 But how many do they think to sell?
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 One
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 Good luck...
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 climbing on a downhill bike.... God left us a long time ago
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 When did 157 super boost sneak past me ???????
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 Pivot Switchblade I think?
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 It's just the '142 vs 135' version of 150. 3.5mm tabs/slots on the frame. Actually a better fit than just plain 150
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 Hey welcome back, i thought the Russians set up service up there?
Super boost been out for what..5 years?
Def the way to go, should never have bothered with boost light when dh parts already available for super boost.
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 Wow, Robocop Bike!!! I´m too old?! Shit...
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 Reference taken. And there's also the remake from a few years ago.
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 If they’d sponsor me I’d ride it!
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 Future DH bike model? I remember greg honda DH bike
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 when your seat angle is slacker than your head angle lol
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 Cool, looks like it's had a life changing accident ????
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 So no cutties?!?
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 i like the tyres
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 Seems like polygon’s designer slip his ruler a bit while doing that geometry
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 Damn, that bitch got some junk in trunk!
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 Stole that hideous swing arm from an 06 gt i drive carbon lol.
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 Larhar-ahahahahhahaahha
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 I like that price
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 not a commencal 29er
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 Rhymes with NASCAR pony.
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 Looks like an older Marin if they made a DH bike......
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 WOOF!
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 No!
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 uhm....no thanks.
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 I'd happily ride a worse performing bike that looks less awful.
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 Fugggggglyyyyyyy
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 YES! IDrive is BACK!
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 HAHA....that was the worst design ever. It's like they had a contest to make the worst suspension design and I-Drive won.
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 please burn it
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