Prime Bicycles Launches with New Downhill & Enduro Bikes

Apr 23, 2021
by Henry Quinney  


Prime Bicycles is a new European bike brand with offices in both Poland and Austria. It's a brand that you may have seen on Instagram or even on Pinkbike, as we covered its initial launch last year.

A lot of what is true then is true now. The brand is the brainchild of Peter Siulczynski, a former downhill World Cup team manager who worked with riders such as Nathan Rennie and Sam Blenkinsop. In 2008, the Gravity Group disbanded but Peter wished to develop his ideas further. Peter explains that he had plans to return to the World Cup circuit with a team that included a top-5 ranked rider. However, although he had no problem finding component and technical partners, he struggled to find a frame manufacturer that truly aligned with his vision. Whilst speaking to Peter via Zoom before the launch of Prime, he went on to say that he would liked to have made a team that occupied the same place as some F1 teams. They're not there to make a road-ready consumer car but rather a testing ground to prove and develop concepts that, sooner or later, would come to benefit the end consumer.

After years of work and refinement, Prime Bicycles is ready to make its first foray into the industry with the launch of two new bikes: the Rocket downhill bike and the Thunderflash enduro bike.

The Prime Bicycles Thunderflash.

The bikes are aimed to offer similar quality and desirability as the high-flying, and often extremely high cost, boutique brands but with prices that should be more accessible. They're not meant to be cheap and cheerful, mind you, and I don't think they would level themselves as that. They position themselves to be good value for what they are and affordable considering the frame and build kit you get.

The bikes were initially designed with technical support from Cero Design Studios, who many of you will know via their association with Cesar Rojo. After the initial concepts were achieved they then went through a process of refinement involving both Cero and the in-house team at Prime Bicycles. The result is two bikes that were years in the making.

The first concept of geometry and kinematics was developed in 2016. However, as the rumour circulated of a Fox 40 that was compatible with 29-inch wheels, Prime decided to put their process on hold until they could receive both official confirmation as well as technical information about the new fork. They subsequently tested both main wheel sizes over a variety of test mules and found that 29-inch wheels offer the ride characteristics they prefer. Mules were tested in multiple sizes by multiple riders over the course of a year. After an additional extended period of refinement, including a carbon prototype, they began production of all sizes in carbon. Both the Rocket and the Thunderflash are manufactured by VIP Composites and are truly full-carbon, with not only the frame but also the rocker links made of carbon. They are manufactured in Asia before being assembled in Germany.

Test mules of both bikes during a camp in Madeira.

During this period of testing, they tweaked both rear travel and bottom bracket height. This was not only to achieve the feel they wanted but also to consider rear-wheel clearance for riders of different statures, and the role these dimensions play in this. While talking to Peter, he explained that it wasn't that they didn't consider a mixed wheeled platform, far from it, but rather upon further consideration Prime's team feel that for the majority of riders a well designed 29er will offer a better ride.

Throughout the range, you won't find any flip-chips. This is an approach I personally like, especially with a bike that will be pedalled. To change a bike's geometry with a flip-chip can never solely affect a singular dimension and will often compromise another. You might find yourself wishing to have the head angle of one setting combined with the seat tube angle of another and it can be frustrating. Prime decided to stay away from this entirely by building the bike they want and they feel rides best even if it forgoes what some people might perceive to be a useful adjustment. In fact, speaking of useful adjustments, the test mules that Prime made enabled them to test a massive 80 different geometry variations.

Both bikes use Prime's S.H.R.E.D Dynamics suspension and geometry concept. The suspension layout consists of two links that co-rotate in the same direction. The lower link pierces the seat tube just above the bottom bracket junction and, to look at it, shares visual similarities with other platforms. You will find six bearings in the lower link, two on the non-drive side with four on the drive. This is to offer better lateral stiffness, and although they don't explicitly state it, I would imagine it would help increase bearing longevity. All the hardware consists of additional sealing to keep moisture and grit out.

The bikes both come with fenders to keep dirt away from the shock and take advantage of a degree of customizability in the build process. For instance, if you wish to buy the base model of the Thunderflash but with the ENVE wheels then Prime are happy to accommodate.





The Rocket
The Rocket is available in midnight blue or anthracite.

The Rocket is a 29" downhill bike and has 195mm of rear travel. It has full internal cable routing, a 203 post mount brake, ample frame protection and a threaded bottom bracket. It will come in four build options - the RS, R, S and C. Full builds start at €5299 for the C. All bikes come with a mixture of Fox, SRAM, Maxxis and Renthal. Framesets will be available for €3499.

The Rocket also uses an aero seat post but its reasoning might not be what you expect and its execution is reassuringly sensible.
Prime Bicycles Rocket

• Wheelsize: 29"
• Travel: 195mm (r) / 200mm (f)
• Carbon Frame & Linkage
• 63.5° head angle
• Chainstay length: 450mm
• Reach: 455, 475, 500mm
• Full builds from: €5299
primebicycles.com


The design team feel that a non-circular seatpost stops the needless complication of twisting your saddle should you crash during a run. They're very confident you won't have any issues but, should you do so, they will replace it for free. They are also currently awaiting a shipment of shims that will plug the leading edge of the seat tube to make the frame compatible with 27.2 posts, in case you need a replacement at short notice. If you order a bike and these shims have not arrived yet then they will forward one to you free of charge as soon as they take delivery.


The suspension starts out with a relatively high levarge rate of nearly 3.6. This will give the rear wheel a very solid mechanical advantage over the shock and should ensure decent small bump sensitivity. The curve is both progressive and consistent. At 30% the ratio is down to 2.9 and that reduces further to 2.1 at the end of the stroke. This reduction in the leverage ratio should give good bottom-out resistance and provide the rider with good performance irrespective of spring type.


The anti-squat values tell a similar story of quite a high value at the beginning of the stroke, a not inconsiderable 200%. This is reduced to 116% at 30% sag and reduces further to under 50% at the end of the stroke. This should make for a downhill race bike that is very efficient should you ever stamp on the pedals either in a race run or just to get over a "must clear" gap.

The bike is available in any build kit in the choice of midnight blue or anthracite. Each bike will be unique in regards to its own splatter effect which is quite a nice touch.





The Thunderflash
Again, there is the choice of two colours with the Thunderflash

The Thunderflash benefits from many of the same characteristics as the Rocket. Again, it has 29" wheels, is truly full carbon and benefits from clean lines that are particularly easy-on-the-eye. Its build kits are also available with the same brands, albeit with the inclusion of either a BikeYoke or Reverb AXS seatpost. It has 165mm of rear travel which is coupled with a 170mm fork.

There will be five build options the RSX, RS, R, S and C. Full builds will start at €4999 with frames for €3499. Much like its downhill counterpart, the base model comes with an air shock as opposed to a coil one. Prime feel that this will give more adjustment to a potentially less experienced rider.
Prime Bicycles Thunderflash

• Wheelsize: 29"
• Travel: 165mm (r) / 170mm (f)
• Carbon Frame & Linkage
• 64° head angle
• 77° Estimated seat tube angle
• Chainstay length: 445mm
• Reach: 460, 480, 505mm
• Full builds from: €4999
primebicycles.com



The Thunderflash also does away with flip-chips and is in "shred position only." You may also note that both the enduro and the downhill bike don't have increasing chainstay length depending upon frame size. Prime feel that although some riders may well be sensitive to an additional 5mm or so in rear-centre, it isn't worth compromising the exact suspension feel that they spent so long agonising over. This will in no doubt not be to everyone's liking but I thought it was an interesting take.

It has a 180mm post-mount brake, full internal cable routing and a rubber grommet near the headtube that not only works as an entry port but is also there to stop the fork from damaging the frame. Like the Rocket, it also benefits from the fully sealed bearings, including the six-bearing arrangement in the lower link and a generous amount of frame protection.


The leverage ratio of the Thunderflash, whilst not quite as high as the Rocket, is still reasonably large at 3.1 at the beginning of the stroke. The curve is progressive and, like its downhill counterpart, it will happily accept a coil or air shock.


The value of anti-squat at sag in the middle of the cassette is 112%. This will mean that where you do your pedalling will offer a good platform. Although we think of 100% as being neutral to pedalling force, when you consider the varying loads we put through our bikes and how the rider's centre of gravity moves around, something a little over that number will result in a consistent pedalling platform that grips well.

The bike is available in midnight blue or gunmetal.



Post-covid, Prime Bicycles will be able to welcome customers and potential buyers in Innsbruck and show them some of the technical aspects of their bikes in person at their test centre. All bikes are available from Prime directly. We look forward to receiving a Thunderflash in the coming weeks for review.


192 Comments

  • 236 8
 Best looking Session I’ve seen
  • 21 98
flag DavidGuerra (Apr 23, 2021 at 7:25) (Below Threshold)
 This is a VPP design with unified chainstays/seatstays, nothing like a Session... And much for the better, too.
  • 51 12
 @DavidGuerra: VPP is counter rotating, these are co-rotating. Please try again.
  • 25 39
flag DavidGuerra (Apr 23, 2021 at 7:31) (Below Threshold)
 @TannerValhouli: VPP means virtual pivot point, so it's VPP whether it counter rotates or co-rotates. I concede that even FSR designs are a sort of VPP, but they are not usually referred to as that. Either way, the Session is not FSR, so the contrast is not debatable.
  • 37 3
 @DavidGuerra: Dude the patent on the VPP platform legit specifies that the links must counter rotate. If they don't it is by definition not VPP.
  • 14 0
 @TannerValhouli: appears the lower link shares a mounting point with the shock a la Giant Maestro.
  • 10 2
 @DavidGuerra: I take from your assertion you aren't familiar with the concept of sarcasm...
  • 7 2
 @DavidGuerra: Yeah I guess you’re right about that, I just assume people are referring to Santa Cruz’s counter rotating linkage when they call a linkage VPP. Most linkages are a “VPP” if you get technical.
  • 6 0
 nah, the session is a high-pivot bike.
  • 37 1
 Actually the Thunderflash looks like a carbon copy of a Transition Sentinel/spur/scout with a forbidden or canyon seat tube.
  • 8 0
 @DavidGuerra: Giant Meastro
  • 6 0
 @bicyclelifestyle: The enduro bike is basically the Giant Reign 29.
  • 14 1
 @DavidGuerra:

R/whoosh

The meme is not strong with this one.
  • 11 5
 @kroozctrl: Maybe you can explain it to me. Is it about calling every bike a Session? Is it funny or fun doing that? Or is the original poster making fun of those who call every bike a Session? If that's what it is I guess I missed it.
  • 2 0
 @mikedk: Indeed, it seems the shock is fixed on the lower link axle, so it's the same as maestro, just that maestro's lower link goes around the seattube on each side when this one goes through.
  • 3 3
 Thats an insult to mistake this beauty for a session. you need to get your eyes checked there bud
  • 1 0
 @bicyclelifestyle: agreed it definitely looks like more of a Maestro design.
  • 4 1
 @DavidGuerra:

It’s not every frame that that catch phrase will be attached to. The “looks like a session” only belongs with any vertically mounted suspension design.

Similar situation happened with the specialized enduro and nuke proof. People started saying “looks like a nomad.”

When you use the buzz word VPP first thing most people thing of is Santa Cruz and intense. That buzz word to a worthless as a shit ton of companies use virtual pivot points. That’s why it’s not really something you should market or brag about since you will always get into this correction situation. It kind of marketing “our frames are made with a unidirectional carbon layout.” Most of us will be like no shit, passed 5-10 years that’s how it’s been done.
  • 9 2
 @DavidGuerra: every party needs a pooper that’s why we invited you!
  • 7 0
 @Arepiscopo: I remember my first day on PB
  • 2 0
 @TannerValhouli: Sorry my dude, but that is incorrect. This woukd pay closer resemblance to a DW link.
  • 5 0
 @TannerValhouli: @ShreddDuk Achshullally, the original VPP design (the branded design, not the concept of a virtual pivot) was a collection of several Patents. The original patent for an S shaped virtual pivot point and S shaped compression curve did not mention counter rotating links, and the example art had co-rotating links. This same S shape can be achieved with co-roating links by having the upper link be significantly longer than the lower link, and have the lower link drive the shock compression. I'll see if I can find it.
  • 5 5
 @ShreddDuk: I can't believe the confusion people make with these things. If you call something VPP and patent it, you don't own the expression. I'll call it a virtual pivot point if it makes you happy. It's a descriptive expression, it can't be trademarked. Santa Cruz's design is A VPP, not THE VPP. The same thing happened with some other commenters recently, when I spoke of a unified rear triangle. There was indeed a design once that was called URT, or unified rear triangle, but that doesn't make it THE unified rear triangle. This bike here has a unified rear triangle because the chainstays are connected to the seatstays, but I avoided calling it that to avoid confusion. People dont' understand concepts and just hang on to buzzwords and this is the result.
  • 2 1
 @hamncheez: @ShreddDuk The original VPP was the Outland VPP, there were no counter rotating links on it. It was basically a FSR design with an extra link below the BB. Santa Cruz just bought that patent and adapted it.
  • 3 1
 @bicyclelifestyle: This is more like DW Link. Maestro is also like DW Link, so much so that Giant reached a settlement with Dave Weagle on this a long time ago.
  • 2 0
 @SlodownU: Sure it is, but the front pivot on the bottom link and the lower shock eyelet share the same pivot axle, combined with a co-rotating rocker without a yoke. It may be simialr to DW, but it is EXACTLY Maestro.

www.giant-bicycles.com/us/showcase/maestro-suspension
  • 1 1
 @TannerValhouli: But he's so right, at first glance it looks just like a Session. And they you realize its a Session that rides like a Giant? That's not VPP suspension, if it were the lower link would be driving the shock. If the upper link were flipped 180degrees it would be DW link. Giant uses, or used, a linkage like this for many years on its bikes but I do not recall what they called it. Still though, with the chainring hiding the lower link the bike looks just like a Session.
  • 1 0
 @danielfloyd: It is now, it didn't use to be.
  • 2 0
 @DavidGuerra: It's a complex and simple joke at the same time. For some it's just satifying triggering the rise of some by calling any new gravity bike a Session look alike. For others it is a more direct or technical criticism stating the frame and suspension design are very similar to (the now former) Trek Session. There are in fact many gravity bikes out their that at a distance are Trek Session look likes, and Trek Session also ironically has a very accomplished race history and has been the preeminent Gravity Bike to beat for many years despite being very simple compared to its more complicated brethren. Simple and Complicated at the same time.
  • 2 0
 @DavidGuerra: Correction, virtual pivot point cannot be trademarked but the name VPP can. VPP is meaningless until you give it meaning which is what a trademark does. Same goes for DW Link, FSR, and all of the other clever suspension names out there.
  • 1 2
 @SuperHighBeam: I know this is a meme or there is a meme around this, it is what it is, but there's nothing really special about a Session. To me it's the quintessential uninteresting 4-bar bike. Any bikes that look like it aren't copying it, they're just doing the basic f/s bike recipe. So, what does "look like a Session" really mean? Not that I care, but I commented here because this design is much better than a Session's, and saying that it looks like a Session is mistaken, false and even insulting, even if there might be a superficial similarity, but it's really a completely irrelevant similarity because the key details are completely different. You just say "looks like a Session" about this bike if you know nothing about bike suspension systems.
  • 2 0
 Filthy minds might call it Canyonalized. Looks like a SPESH Enduro and CNYN Torque had a lovechild
  • 1 0
 should be Strive, my bad
  • 2 0
 @DavidGuerra: and your final f*ck up tonight is calling the session 4 bar
  • 1 1
 @huvudvind: Yes, I shouldn't have used that term, I know it's a single pivot. Either way, it makes no difference to what I was saying. I find these designs inferior to one in which the seatstays and the chainstays are one piece. Do tell me about my other f*ck ups!
  • 3 0
 PR: we’re going to make a cutting edge bike inspired by F1 technology and processes!
Actually makes: Giant Glory
  • 1 3
 @ShreddDuk: Having been around when the Outland VPP was released many years ago, it can be difficult communicating with younger folks or those who haven't been around the sport as long. Outland's system is quite different from Santa Cruz's, what they have in common is the fact that there is a virtual pivot point or points for the rotation of the rear wheel. Even though on a so-called 4-bar system the pivot point is virtual because it doesn't exactly match the main pivot's location, on a VPP system this is more visible because there are no pivots anywhere near the virtual rotation point(s) of the rear wheel. As such, considering the difference between Outland's and Santa Cruz implementations, and their common denomination for this system, this is the term I always used to denominate all virtual pivot point suspension systems, including maestro, dw link and others. I don't associate it with Santa Cruz's implementation in particular because VPP was around before that. Apparently, rather than trying to understand what it is that they might be missing, some kids try to look smart saying that I'm f**king up, while missing the greater picture. I guess that's to be expected, though.
  • 2 0
 Looks like a Kona Operator if made by Canyon.
  • 1 0
 They had me until the post covid disclaimer.
  • 1 1
 @ReeferSouthrland: Our first delivery is scheduled for end of may 2021. Our test center in Austria will be ready to be opened post covid
  • 2 0
 @DavidGuerra: "So, what does "look like a Session" really mean?" It mostly amounts to a tongue-in-cheek joke. Any new gravity bike that looks remotely similar to a Session is said to "look like a Session". This is largely just poking fun at how despite many companys' efforts to standout and look different, from a distance they've merely made a Session look alike. Purely an aesthetic evaluation. Functionality and performance have nothing to do with the "looks like a Session" joke. True novelty is the Gravity world is hard to come by. There are a lot of "Sessions" on the market.
  • 2 0
 @SuperHighBeam: this has got to be the biggest facepalm convo of all time on PB
  • 1 2
 @SuperHighBeam: Well, the comment might be deserved in many cases and even overall, but it doesn't seem deserved in here. So since the joke doesn't amuse me, I will poop on this party with a "no it doesn't" comment. It's within my right!
  • 2 0
 @DavidGuerra: Fair enough. At least you know where the "looks like Session" comment is coming from.
  • 2 0
 @SterlingArcher: Hey DavidGuerra wasn't getting it, so I thought I'd try to help him out. I hear ya on the face palm though. Its pretty obvious why so many people have said the bike in the article "looks like a Session".
  • 1 1
 @SuperHighBeam: I knew the meme just fine, how can anyone "frequent" Pinkbike and not know about that meme? I was responding to kroozctrl, and he didn't actually answer my question. He was assuming that I missed something because my comment was in disagreement with the use of the meme. That's what I still don't understand. Why the hell would he assume that? Or what did he assume that I missed? Really strange! Maybe a sheep mentality at work?
  • 1 1
 @SuperHighBeam: Yes it is obvious why they make that sillly comment. Being obvious does not make it less silly, just makes it obviously silly haha.
  • 1 1
 @SterlingArcher: If you are referring to me, your face seems to have hit the dirt just now. Oops!
  • 1 1
 @SuperHighBeam: I know just fine why this "looks like a Session" thing was said, but it's really stupid. That's it. It really has nothing to do with a Session. This bike is really the opposite of the examples you mentioned. It incidently looks like a Session, but it really has nothing to do with one. It's sad that so many viewers of this article are clueless about this. One wonders what they are doing on specialized sites such as this one, if they remain ignorant about basic essentials of suspension design.
  • 2 0
 @DavidGuerra: I'm confused, if you know and understand the meme then why did you ask for clarification on what it meant? Furthermore how can you not see the silhouette similarity between the Prime Rocket and the now late Trek Session? Yes, the Prime Rocket does not function the same as the Session, but you cannot deny how similar it looks. Your disagreement with Kroozctrl seems to hinge entirely on this aesthetic similarity disconnect. The bike looks like a Session. If you don't see the similarity in the overall design (not in detail those are notably different) than you have missed what everyone else has noticed.
  • 1 0
 @DavidGuerra: "Yes it is obvious why they make that sillly comment. Being obvious does not make it less silly, just makes it obviously silly haha." Uh, yeah, duh! Many people posting comments are just looking for a laugh, there not trying to be particularly serious about anything.
  • 1 1
 @SuperHighBeam: It's just that Kroozctrl (and you, apparently) are making a sort of big deal out of nothing. Someone says that it looks like a Session, I say that it doesn't, that's it, we have both expressed our opinions, there's nothing more to it. I know perfectly that it's a meme, so what? "No it isn't" could be a meme as well. What about that? On every comment someone will say "no it isn't" just for fun, and if someone disagrees, it's because he didn't get the meme. Sounds right?
  • 1 0
 @DavidGuerra: shaddup ur annoying everyone
  • 1 1
 @SuperHighBeam: " If you don't see the similarity in the overall design (not in detail those are notably different) than you have missed what everyone else has noticed". Here lies the difference between my view of things and your view of things. You call the suspension design a "detail" and the more superficial appearance the "overall design". Wrong! It's not a "detail", it's the identity of the bike itself. The rest is what's a detail, it's just aesthetics. That's why you and the many others who downvoted my comment don't get it. You just focus on the superficial and disregard the essencial. Therefore, I could never understand your "humour", just as you would probably not understand mine.
  • 1 0
 Everyone go home. It's just bikes.


/thread
  • 1 1
 @SuperHighBeam: This also goes in line with the pathetic comments I see about the aesthetics of bikes. Bikes are designed to fulfill performance goals, a bike (as any object) that considers aesthetics in its conception is an inferior product. I don't even have an "aesthetic" standard when looking at bikes, I just see how its form contributes to the intended performance goals. So this universe of aesthetic comments and appreciations is really foreign and strange to me. It makes no sense.
  • 4 2
 @DavidGuerra: if you want to get super f*cking anal about it. Prime isn’t reinventing the wheel. The suspension layout is a DWlink very similar to pivot.

But the r/whoosh still stands. The same thing will be said about antidote dark matter and commencal supreme. They are both high pivot bikes, yet the kinematics are way different. How about Unno ever and canyon sender? Or how about v10 and m16? Antidote carbonjack and propain bikes?

Being so fixated on a tiny detail holds zero value on pinkbike or vital mtb. All those comparisons I listed look like each other, we know they ride different.

The fact that you can’t acknowledge the glaring similarity is beyond sad.

It’s call meme for a reason Karen
  • 2 2
 @kroozctrl: Acknowledging a bike by its suspension system instead of a passing resemblance it might have to anything else due to the shape or positioning of the tubes or the shock is is very, very far from being "super anal". It's simply knowing something about bikes, in contrast to knowing nothing about bikes. If for you that is "super anal", or a bike's suspension system is a "tiny detail" (WTF??) it just means you are super stupid about bikes, and your knowledge about them is tiny (actually, beyond tiny). And I'm fine with that, maybe you don't care, just want to ride, or look cool or whatever. But attacking someone for pointing the obvious instead of riding along with your silly bandwagon is a worrying sign of knuckleheadedness.
  • 2 2
 @kroozctrl: Heck, even placing the rear pivot above or below the rear axle (above vs. on the rear axle itself as on the Session, not so much) makes a great difference. But in this bike there isn't even a rear pivot! It's a completely different system. But it does fool the unknowing person just fine because an invisible pivot looks a lot like a non-existent one. Hence the silly "looks like a Session" comments. And now, guys like you wanting to debate whether the comments are silly or not. Who gives a rat's ass! For me they are silly, for you they seem to be justified. So??
  • 57 2
 The lovechild of a Gambler and a Dreadnaught. And a Session was in the room at the time, just watching.
  • 32 1
 Session got cucked.
  • 2 1
 I mean it looks like pretty much every Mondraker, which isn't a surprise considering Cesar Rojo's design company was involved.
  • 39 0
 I read it as "ThunderFish" at first glance and now I'm disappointed.
  • 38 0
 I read it as "ThunderFist" and now I'm even more disappointed than you.
  • 30 0
 I read Thunderflesh so Im relieved actually
  • 3 0
 @brit-100: Upvote this for a name change. I like yours better!
  • 7 0
 @jomacba: I read Thunderflush and thought ,godamn they know about my morning coffee after a long night of bratwurst and flamin' hot cheetos.
  • 1 0
 I read ThunderFlesh at first
  • 2 0
 @rocky-mtn-gman: So you're saying their frames aren't the only thing that comes with a unique splatter pattern?
  • 1 0
 @commental: it's like taking a handful of muddy gravel and throwing it at a wall.
  • 25 1
 I wonder if the future models are gonna be numbered 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 11 and 13...
  • 9 0
 Or Optimus, Onyx, Dedalus, Megatronus, Nexus, and so on...
  • 22 0
 Cotic can't be happy about that DH bike name shirley?
  • 75 1
 No. No we're not.
  • 1 6
flag Richt2000 (Apr 23, 2021 at 8:01) (Below Threshold)
 @cotic-bikes:
Doesn’t look like just the name isn’t original too! Blatant disregard to what else is out there.
  • 5 0
 @cotic-bikes: What's your beef with Shirley?
  • 2 6
flag Joebohobo (Apr 23, 2021 at 9:56) (Below Threshold)
 @cotic-bikes: What's up with it? were you guys planning on doing the same?
  • 13 0
 @cotic-bikes: Also (Cy)Cotic Rocket has some poetry to it and gives an impression of being some sort of tearaway. Prime Rocket just sounds like some top drawer salad.
  • 5 0
 Maybe they can change it to Bottle Rocket...
  • 3 0
 ...And don't call them Shirley.
  • 2 0
 @cotic-bikes: do you have a trademark on rocket? Is the trademark process too painful and expensive to be bothered with?
  • 2 0
 @Vudu74: then transition would be mad!
  • 2 0
 @powderturns: We own the UK Trademark, yes.
  • 3 2
 @cotic-bikes: Cheers for clarifying! I got downvoted just for asking the question - apologies everyone for not knowing everything. Not sure why I didn't just get a clear response rather than downvotes haha Big Grin
  • 1 0
 @cotic-bikes: damn. so I guess they can't sell this bike in the UK? what a drag... I mean, that they didn't just choose a different name. Like 'Revolt' - Giant repurposed that one after Evil used it!
  • 1 0
 @powderturns:
They were probably going to avoid UK anyway, brexit makes it too much hassle.
  • 16 0
 4999 is actually very good for a boutique brand with very very good spec
  • 5 1
 I wish they went with the bi directional cosmetic layout like Unno and antidote does. It’s like. If you have that layout, you are truly a boutique brand.

Imagine a “session” like bike with raw carbon.
  • 2 0
 We’ll they saved a bunch on R&D and Marketing.
Bit like an Aldi bike!
  • 13 0
 Cant help but wonder if a seat post turning actually absorbs some of the impact by its ability to rotate within the seat tube. I wonder if they are going to get a lot of post/saddle breakage due to that lack of flexibility.
  • 4 0
 It absolutely does, the seat is very likely to hit the ground in a crash. Pick your poison I guess, twisting posts isn't good, especially with carbon so maybe it's better to have a saddle break?
  • 3 0
 Same with direct mount stems. Anything that slips or moves dissapates energy.

I've always thought seatposts/tubes should be square.
  • 13 0
 We have been testing this feature for almost two years with zero failures. Anyway we offer no-questions-asked warranty for the aero seatpost for 5 years form purchase.
  • 7 0
 @primebicycles: can’t argue with that, great looking bike!
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  • 17 1
 Looks like a sender.
  • 2 0
 Alternatively, Sender bud!
  • 15 2
 Is it gonna be available on Amazon Prime?
  • 7 3
 No. It's available on our website - www.primebicycles.com
  • 5 1
 @primebicycles the bikes look good but “borrowing” your brand name and your DH bike name from two small but excellent brands is rather poor behaviour.

Banshee launched their Prime model in 2012 and Cotic launched their Rocket in 2011. The Prime is now on the third generation, the Rocket has gone from 26” to 27.5” and then “Longshot” and also has a 29” sibling now. They’re not unknown bikes and I struggle to believe you’d never heard of either. Disappointing.
  • 4 0
 @threehats never mind there is also a components brand named PRIME. It's clear they have zero regard for other brands in the industry @primebicycles
  • 4 1
 Saw this beautiful machine last year in Bike Park Czarna Góra (PL). It look even better live, I was very impressed by its details and finish. Happy to see some premium, low-production brands that are better priced than most of mainstream brands. Now is time when small manufacturers can really shine and grow.
  • 2 0
 This is a superb looking machine ! So many cool details I love the work on the flat/rounded edges of the headtube junction. The unno seat tube is there too, clean lines all the way. It looks like a scott ransom but refined. I love it ! Prices of the builds are decent too (from euro perspective). If you compare most of the famous brands such as specialized, or trek they charge more for builds with lower specs builds. My only wish, offer a raw carbon finish (as antidote or Unno) I would love to see some shimano/magura brakes and transmissions options too. But once again congrats !
  • 5 0
 It has S.H.R.E.D geometry. It’s guaranteed to be good
  • 5 0
 Holy hell those are good looking bikes.
  • 5 0
 More DH bikes need aero seatposts
  • 4 0
 the look REALLY works for the DH bike, but not as well for the enduro bike for me... not sure exactly why
  • 5 2
 Stop putting the pivot right in the seat tube. For the love of God do these companies not understand somebody who actually rides might more than a 170 dropper?!
  • 3 0
 This is what you will get if you order a bike with Bike Yoke Revive dropper:

160 mm | Medium
185 mm | Large
213 mm | X-Large

You can of course put a longer one on each size if you need it.
  • 1 0
 One up. I have a small Enduro and can run a 170 dropper slammed.
  • 5 0
 It’s like Transition and Forbidden had a baby.
  • 2 0
 "welcome customers and potential buyers in Innsbruck"

I'm from Innsbruck, never heard of this brand.
Where can I try this bike in Innsbruck, any information?
And what's the weight of the bikes?
  • 2 0
 Wir arbeiten gerade daran. Post covid wie es im Artikel steht ...
  • 4 0
 Kinda looks like a futuristic modern machine that would match my custom modern and square themed house I don't own.
  • 1 0
 I have been watching the development and im a little frightened. suspension kinda looks exactly like giants Maestro suspension. i want to get one of these bikes before theres a lawsuit. dont wanna see a lawsuit happen and besides, Prime did it better than giant in their downhill bike
  • 1 1
 The patent is probably expired by now.
  • 1 0
 Is there a patent on maestro suspension ?
I thought Giant were the one who infringed a patent (DW's I guess).
I also read once that they had some too slack seattube angle at some point cuz' the right angle would've cause the kinematic to infringe the patent.
But yeah just talking from memory maybe I'm wrong.
  • 1 0
 "Prime feel that although some riders may well be sensitive to an additional 5mm or so in rear-centre, it isn't worth compromising the exact suspension feel that they spent so long agonising over."

But the suspension feel is going to be different depending on where the rider is compared to the rest of the bike. On a smaller frame the rider is relatively more towards the front, versus on a large frame they're relatively more towards the rear. So that agonized-over suspension feel is immediately altered just by weight distribution when the rider is in a neutral position. Unless they just expect shorter riders to hang off the back and tall riders to ride the fork?
  • 1 0
 I don't think that Norco alter the suspension kinematics, just the front triangle to alter chainstay length
  • 4 0
 Looks like a Zumwalt Class Destroyer.
  • 2 0
 Curious about that downtube bumper on the enduro model - is there not adequate clearance for the fork to rotate fully? Are X-ups dead and gone??
  • 1 0
 You think it could be a really high up shuttle pad? Depending on the truck some bikes can rest that high up on the tube.
  • 2 0
 @Thegnarberries: Possibly, but they mention in the marketing copy that it "not only works as an entry port but is also there to stop the fork from damaging the frame."
  • 1 0
 @ddspaz: so its straight-shot without knock block? *insert skull emoji*
  • 3 0
 is it too late for new names? i would call the dh bike "the sex machine" and the enduro "the panty dropper". sexy bikes
  • 2 2
 Recipe for this bike: take front triangle from Druid, make the bottom tube straight so that bike looks great but won't do to many x-ups, take suspension from Giant and hide it in a frame - maybe nobody will notice. There are MANY bikes out there right now. Some of them truly innovative. This ain't it.
  • 2 2
 Here's what they write on their website:

"If perfection exists, Prime is a reflection of it. Its beauty and functionality is obvious. Prime riding characteristics are achieved through perfectly balanced Geo and progressive kinematics which makes it the ultimate winner."

Those are the most ridiculous marketing claims I've seen in a long time. They certainly have a very high opinion of themselves. I'm curoius now to see if their bikes are actually any good.
  • 1 0
 Yeah I wonder if these sort of texts are tongue in cheek or serious, as if they hope the buyer will really believe the text. When you do something, if it's good or great praise should come by themselves, no need to force it.
  • 2 0
 didn't know this brand nice looking bike !! great colors hard to find these days
  • 3 0
 Canyon and Intense mixed .
  • 2 0
 Thunderflash looks like a mix of a Reign, Sentinel, and Strive. The Sentiveign?
  • 2 0
 The other day I had a feeling a new DH bike was coming, SICK! I know there's a few more on the way too Wink \m/
  • 1 0
 Ticks all the boxes it seems. Need a review to see how it actually rides. Waiting to see the 2022 presumably carbon Mondraker Summum, which shares similar geo.
  • 3 1
 Honestly, I liked the test mules better.
  • 4 1
 Looks like a Cube
  • 2 0
 Not super session like tbh....does bring uno company to mind though.
  • 2 0
 That integrated cable port, fork and shuttle guard is pretty cool!
  • 2 0
 missed opportunity not calling it the "thunderf*ck"
  • 2 0
 Midrange spec €7000 plus 35% brexit tax. Well done UK.
  • 1 0
 Those are good looking bikes. Curious of how they ride and quality. Very Canyon looking as a few others have noted
  • 1 0
 You can almost hear the Hotlines/CRC/Prime lawyers sharpening their pencils
  • 2 0
 Prime has some nice ass bikes. I am surprised they are not more popular.
  • 3 0
 That is a stunning bike
  • 3 0
 Cube
  • 1 0
 I hope Banshee made a trademark application for "Prime" while they had it to themselves.
  • 2 0
 LOOKS LIKE AN UNNO! Scrolls down... Yep, Cero designed.
  • 2 1
 "affordable for what they are and the build kit." Uh...no. not even close lol.
  • 2 0
 According to Linkage Bike simulation,It's a good looking Giant bike!
  • 3 0
 Like maestro suspension
  • 1 0
 Also the spec section for the Thunderflash has the Rocket in the heading.
  • 1 0
 These are some great looking bikes!
  • 1 0
 Looks like a Canton not a Trek that’s for sure
  • 2 0
 take my damn money
  • 2 0
 These look great
  • 2 1
 Sender this way when you’re Done
  • 2 0
 Nice
  • 2 0
 Great looking bikes!
  • 4 2
 Looks INTENSE
  • 1 0
 I think that it's even more Gigantic than that!
  • 1 0
 They did a great job, would love to see them get a world cup team!
  • 1 0
 No shipping to USA, FYI...
  • 3 2
 So is this just a Maestro link with extra steps?
  • 1 0
 Looks like a transition. Like it reallly does
  • 1 0
 Those seat tubes are CHONKY
  • 1 0
 Did you mean transition sentinel?
  • 1 0
 They should make more prototypes and sell those. Need more AL bikes!!!
  • 1 0
 bro it looks like canyon and giant had a baby
  • 1 0
 awesome stand over, just missing a gearbox, advance people!
  • 1 0
 call em what cha like
em are some bad Mother Hukers Smile
  • 1 1
 Looks exactly like Giant's maestro suspension design. Just less serviceable.
  • 1 0
 Looks exactly like a cube
  • 1 0
 If the unno and canyon had kids
  • 1 0
 that seat 'mast' is very similar to the canyon sender
  • 1 1
 Hmmm not my cup of Borscht
  • 1 1
 THAT IS THE BEST LOOKING DH BIKE OUT THERE!?!
  • 2 1
 Cube much
  • 2 1
 looks like a cube
  • 2 2
 Same suspension design as giant's
  • 2 1
 Looks like a Cube two15
  • 2 1
 Maestro?
  • 2 2
 Giant Glory?
  • 2 2
 I prefer the rest mules
  • 1 1
 Looks like a Canyon
  • 1 2
 So many words for bikes most of us will never see.
  • 1 2
 At first, I thought Canyon had come out with some new colors!
  • 1 2
 Looks like a gambler
  • 1 2
 I mean canyon
  • 2 5
 Dentist: I would like to do Downhill racing!!

Prime-Bicycles : HOLD MY BEER !
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