Production Privee Unveils Prototype Titanium Dirt Jump Hardtail

Dec 2, 2020
by James Smurthwaite  
Production Privee titanium dirt jumper

Andorra's Production Privee is best known for its steel hardtails and full-suspension bikes that come complete with colourways inspired by famous racecar liveries. Now, Damein Nosella's brand is expanding its pits and adding in a new titanium hardtail.

Production Privee titanium dirt jumper

This is currently a one-off prototype designed specifically for Pavel Alekhin, the 31-year-old freerider from Russia. Production Privee literally translates to Private Production so they challenged themselves to create something unique to welcome the new team member. Working with the Forestal Technology Centre, this is fabricated from 3AL-2.5V titanium with custom tubing and park geometry. This bike hasn't been styled with a particular car in mind but its raw finish would see it sit in Production Privee's MacLaren F1-inspired, raw 'Classic' range.
Details

Frame Material: Titanium, 3AL-2.5V
Wheelsize: 26"
Intended Use: Dirt Jumping
Weight: 8.8kg (19.4lb)
Price: N/A
More info: production-privee.com

Titanium allows Production Privee to reduce the weight of the frame and also increases the strength and stiffness to weight ratio compared to the steel it usually uses. This means it can provide an extremely strong, efficient and light frame that provides a smooth ride that it claims will allow Pavel to push the envelope of his riding. The frame tips the scales at 1.9kg (4.2lbs) with a full build coming in at 8.8kg (19.4lb) in Pavel's minimalist brakeless, single speed set up.

Production Privee titanium dirt jumper
Production Privee titanium dirt jumper
A closer look at the welding work of Production Privee and the FTC

Production Privee titanium dirt jumper

Production Privee titanium dirt jumper
Production Privee titanium dirt jumper
The bike's raw finish is offset with wild, multi-coloured wheels from Industry 9 set up singlespeed.

Production Privee has said it will consider making a production version of this frame although it is unlikely to be a brakeless version as Pavel uses. The cost of that frame would be roughly €2,000.

More exciting than that, it sounds like this won't be the last titanium brand we see from the brand; when we asked Damian if he had any more plans to work with the material, he said: "Yes, and sooner than expected! And other exotic and exciting stuff during 2021. We are working very hard on R&D processes which likely will put us in a position to open a new door for manufacturing in Europe. Having our CNC and welding in house allowed us to already achieve successful proofs of concept. I hope we can unveil part of this new stuff during the 2nd trimester of 2021."

Production Privee titanium dirt jumper
Pavel gets to grips with his new, one-off ride.






95 Comments

  • 118 4
 Titanium is the hands-down sexiest bike material as far as I'm concerned.
  • 24 12
 DJ.. Don't think, steeeeeel.
  • 8 20
flag radrider (Dec 2, 2020 at 12:32) (Below Threshold)
 @Neale78: Steel is real..
My Tonic Fab was the same weight without paint. I have a hard time believing this ti frame is as strong or stiff.

"Titanium allows Production Privee to reduce the weight of the frame and also increases the strength and stiffness to weight ratio compared to the steel it usually uses"

from another site - "The same part made from titanium will weigh half as much as the equivalent from steel. But titanium has only half the stiffness, so the part will be half as stiff. To make the parts of the same stiffness, you need to use twice as much material with titanium, and the weight will be equal."
  • 11 1
 Yep. Japanese seamless 4130, Reynolds 853, T45 etc is how to do it. Ti is like carbon, amazing, but not for everything.
  • 6 12
flag donpinpon29 (Dec 2, 2020 at 13:03) (Below Threshold)
 @radrider: not true. Ever heard the word alloy?
  • 4 0
 Done right it's awesome, just not the ultimate.
  • 15 14
 @radrider:

Aluminum is 1/3 the weight and 1/3 the stiffness of steel.

I wonder why so many bike frames are made from such a shitty, flexy material?

Ever seen a lightweight steel full suspension frame?

It almost like weight and stiffness don’t tell the entire story.
  • 17 0
 @radrider: Material properties are only one part of determining the stiffness and strength, the geometric properties of the section are important as well.
  • 2 8
flag radrider (Dec 2, 2020 at 13:56) (Below Threshold)
 @akanatron: Ya don't say.
  • 4 13
flag radrider (Dec 2, 2020 at 14:00) (Below Threshold)
 @hllclmbr: you're bringing aluminum into a conversation about steel and titanium...
  • 8 10
 @radrider: Ti is definitely a flexy material for BMX / DJ purposes.
That frame would feel like a noodle in a concrete bowl corner. Ti is sexy, but steel is real!
  • 8 0
 @hllclmbr: Variable tubing diameters, wall thicknesses, shaping and hydroforming.
  • 7 0
 @radrider: I know my previous statement was restating the obvious. I agree that if all the tube sizes were identical, having the same diameter and wall thickness, the TI frame would be half the stiffness. I was just saying that having to use twice the material to get the same stiffness is an oversimplification.
  • 3 1
 @akanatron: Its actually Production Privee's statements that are oversimplified. They are stating they are getting a better stiffness to weight ratio with a material that is not known to poses such properties.
  • 3 2
 @radrider: by weight, titanium is one of the strongest materials as it is much less dense than steel. Just because another material is stiffer or stronger, does not mean it’s necessary in a given application. The material just needs to be strong enough.
  • 3 3
 @Neale78: I have a titanium 4x hardcore hard tail for sale in the uk if you were interested....
  • 1 1
 @Neale78: My bike was Reynolds 853, I swear to God, and then it changed to Reynolds 520. I swear to God. No word of a lie. Maybe Mr.Reynolds was mad at me.
  • 2 0
 @charlesdavid17: Seeing it takes me back, and it is a bit of a bargain. No thanks though.
  • 2 1
 Design is a compromise, always. If you want to build light and aim to optimize for one critical parameter, the other parameters will be overdimensioned or inadequate. For instance you can dimension an aluminum frame to have sufficient fatigue life which may make it feel too stiff for certain purposes (road cycling on cobbles etc). You can design a titanium frame to be just strong enough but it may turn out to be too flexy for a dirt jump bike. You can use enough titanium (or large enough diameter tubing) to achieve the desired stiffness and you might end up with a frame that is stronger than it needs to be. Which may not be that much of an issue unless a cheaper alternative material would have given you similar performance. In this particular case, how similar steel and titanium ride I don't know as I've never ridden a titanium frame. But as a student I worked in a shop that built steel road frames but we also sold a large number of titanium frames, some of which were built to our custom geometry buy Litespeed. Customer raved about how comfortable those frames were, supposedly because of the damping (hysteresis) inherent in the material. It is present in steel too but more so in titanium apparently. I can't even honestly tell about the difference between steel and aluminum anymore as I made the switch to steel back in 2006 or so and haven't ridden an aluminum mtb frame since. I do recall I was quite excited at the time though, it was as if it were easier to feel how close to losing cornering traction I was. Which made me more confident to explore that limit. So yeah, that's where I get my kicks. And if a titanium frame does that even better then sure, I can imagine why I could love that too. The huge advantage aluminum has over steel and titanium is that it can easily be extruded and hydroformed. So this gives designers of aluminum more room to play and design critically whereas a steel and/or titanium builder will have to accept that just because the tube has to be very strong in one place, it will be too strong elsewhere. Obviously steel and titanium tubes can still be manipulated to some extend (ovalized etc) or you can add gussets.

Oh sorry, seems like I derailed again...

TL;DR: If you want to optimize for one parameter, other parameters may be overdimensioned or underdimensioned. How much this is depends on material choice and product shape (which may be confined when space is limited, like in the bb area or around linkages). A titanium DJ frame like this may end up stronger and as heavy as an equally stiff steel version, just for more money. If the strength is desired or if there is another parameter that's being appreciated then the use of titanium here makes perfect sense.
  • 2 1
 A lot of sh*t talk on a material almost no one has ever ridden over here...

As far as I've seen, everyone trying that unique thing fell immediately in love with it (and not heavy as people pretend) :
www.vitalmtb.com/community/qblambda,44173/setup,39851?ptab

Forget about numbers and try titanium when you have the chance.
It's a niche market cost-wise for sure but if it was the same price tag you would ride mostly that.
  • 2 0
 Love the pop of some steel in the morning.
  • 1 3
 @akanatron: DING DING DING!! Aluminum allows for light weight, huge cross section, thin walled tubing. bike frames are not made from plates and rods.


Also, DJ bike is nice but hard to get excited over a DJ bike. seems they have been dialed in for 20 years now.


What I want DESPERATELY is an affordable, lightweight rigid mtb that has 26/26+ clearances, slacker head angle, a bit more reach and the more upright seat tube geo from modern enduro bikes, but not ridiculous. I am so tired of constantly dorking around with suspension. Sure a super bikes is fun as hell but every stable needs a bike that is ALWAYS ready to grab and go. I want something that can climb, rail turns, use my old wheelsets, use through axles, run V brakes (gasp!) or disc, jib, jump, streetride, just a do it all basher. I've seen some OnOnes that might fit the bill, but those still arent it. That guy with that retro built rigid enduo bike was the closest thing ive seen.
  • 2 0
 @CTDchris: Affordable is relative, but Rock Lobster will make you a custom aluminum whatever you want for $1750. Dude's been building bikes for decades and knows his stuff.
  • 4 0
 @CTDchris: That's asking a lot... I guess you also want it to be $300..
  • 1 0
 @qblambda: Have, and wouldn't personally.
  • 1 0
 @Neale78: None of that s available for Ti though
  • 1 1
 @radrider: alloy doesn’t = aluminium. 4130 is an alloy
  • 1 0
 @samthirks: Thanks for the info... I didn't write alloy anywhere.
  • 1 0
 @samthirks: Molybdenum :p
  • 50 0
 This falls into the category of, so un needed that you need it immediately
  • 11 3
 Send it → Bend it.
  • 1 14
flag jgainey (Dec 2, 2020 at 11:49) (Below Threshold)
 @Neale78: Actually Ti snaps, doesn't bend. This means 0 energy absorbed by frame when it fails, and 100% by you. Seen enough BMX ti frame break that I know better.
  • 3 0
 They crack and snap more, but also bend.. Headtube flares.. whatever.
  • 16 1
 @jgainey:

That’s high-chair engineering.

Get back to us when you graduate to armchair.
  • 2 2
 Got a lovely titanium hardcore hard tail for sale in the uk if you want a play one to try for cheap!
  • 29 1
 Dental DJ.
  • 29 2
 In Soviet Russia brakes pull you
  • 3 4
 I love Soviet Russia jokes so much, and my life is a Soviet Russia joke. Lol. "In Soviet Russia, game plays you!" "In Soviet Russia, goal scores you!" "In Soviet Russia, car drives you!" "In Soviet Russia, you lick dog" "In Soviet Russia, cookies bake you"
  • 16 0
 When will anyone wise up and name their DJ "Alice"? Or am I better off alone on this idea?
  • 5 0
 Talk to me
  • 1 0
 I much prefer DJ Rush.
  • 1 1
 Why? I don't get it. I do like the name Alice though...
  • 10 1
 Or dj Ti-ësto
  • 16 0
 Feels like all bikes should be marked price n/a these days
  • 3 0
 Also availability
  • 3 0
 If you have to ask the price you can't afford it, now make your way to the door peasant
  • 9 1
 This one goes out to every single person on here making a comment about flex, stiffened and weight:
Have you ridden a ti dirt jump frame?
Have you ridden a ti bmx frame?

They exist, and you should’ve definitely tried before you commented. Because you all look really silly. Internet silly you goofs!

They rule. And some are flexy. It’s true. Some are also dope af and ride really well. Just like steel frames, aluminum frames and carbon frames.

Think a little bit. Just a smidge bigger than you’r small bubble. Think big picture. There is room for all kinds of bikes and people here. And ti dirt jumpers are rad.
  • 2 0
 I upvoted you for the "The Dude" vibe in this comment.
  • 1 0
 'They rule. And some are flexy. It’s true.' ..Oxymoron.

Unless you really know how well they've been built, or how they will feel, and hold up, it's not worth it IMO.
  • 1 0
 @Neale78: I know both.
Totally worth it
  • 5 1
 This looks great and all, but I really wish they'd update the geometry on their FS Shan No5 frames. I would have purchased one in a heartbeat as the paint jobs are incredible.
  • 4 0
 and update their shan 27,5" hardtail frame to a little more modern geo! and if i could wish a threaded bb and boost rearend. sexiest looking hardtail frame in the biz
  • 3 0
 Agreed to both, the frames are tiny in reach and quite tall in the seatpost, I hope they do update them.
  • 2 0
 Yes, and give them a Collin McCrae Subaru 555 colour scheme!
  • 1 0
 @tommynator: that would be great but i would prefer an ur quattro colourscheme that was used by walther röhrl or michelle mouton
  • 3 0
 A friend of mine took his Santa Cruz Jackal to Dean and asked them to re-create it in titanium.
$2,200 and like 8 months later the frame was done.
The geo was nowhere close to what he asked for!
But -- wow -- that bike had an incredible ride.
  • 2 0
 Dean ??? man that was the '90 !!!!
  • 6 0
 8.8kg!!?!? Maybe THAT would help me to get air, hmm.....
  • 4 0
 I appreciate what dirt jumpers do. From a trail rider's perspective, the short and steep geometry just scares the crap out of me.
  • 4 0
 Yeah coming off a trail/enduro bike and trying a dj for the first time does feel odd. I got a dj about a year ago and it’s now a favorite of mine. It being steep and short makes it super fun to ride and easy to bail.
  • 1 0
 @AlexTokmakoff: I wonder if there’s a correlation between bikes getting so long (29’ers taking over) and not as many people riding dj’s or coming from twitchy bike background.
  • 1 0
 My titanium dirt jump frames have new school low and slack geometry. It’s been a revolution to me, as a dirt jumping trail rider .....hi5bikes.com
  • 1 0
 @maximumradness: www.hi5bike.com works; your link doesn't. Bikes look cool! thanks for sharing. Get some built up photos on that website! Smile
  • 2 0
 My ti dirt jump frame is better than stiff.
It’s not a noodle at all: it’s smoother than steel
and (obviously) aluminum and featherweight and makes me really happy.
It’s the best dj bike I’ve ever ridden.
  • 1 0
 Absolutely insane bike!! With that CS length, BB height, those angles and no brake mounts, I would rather call it a street or skatepark bike though than a DJ. I hope Pavel will make a new Welcome to the Team video, that guy is an absolute beast on his bike and I'm always looking forward seeing him shred!
  • 3 1
 I've wanted a ti dirt jump hardtail since Charge bikes made one forever ago. Maybe the only frame that would make me replace my cryptkeeper some day...
  • 2 3
 I am selling a ti charge blender that’s been sat in my parents garage for the last 5 years without being ridden...
  • 1 0
 Hi5bikes.com Available now and on sale.
  • 4 0
 Cryptkeeper is one hell of a frame
  • 3 0
 @Tannerstolt: yeah who am I kidding? I'm going to keep the cryptkeeper forever
  • 3 0
 Is Titanium price down? Why so many many needless Ti niche frames all at once?
  • 2 0
 I would like to purchase one of these and boost steep lips into the stratosphere
  • 5 3
 Nice frame and all but there is zero reason for hardtails to be $3500 these days...
  • 2 0
 Dude magnet. You wouldn't be able to take it outside without being mobbed Fab
  • 2 0
 Fast, beautiful and 26 inch wheels! I'm not worthy of this light weight whip. But thanks for sharing .
  • 2 0
 I'm sorry, More information on the website lead to junk shit, not the info
  • 3 0
 Damn
  • 3 1
 That frame looks pretty "sick". Wink
  • 2 0
 The moment they do a Ti Shan I'm gonna be all over it!
  • 2 1
 Full review coming tomorrow
  • 1 0
 Not according to Production Privee. No brake mounts.
  • 1 0
 I've always thought they made the most beautiful bikes.
  • 1 0
 They do look great.
  • 1 0
 I'd buy it for my brother
  • 1 0
 Price: N/A ... “If you have to ask, you can’t afford it.”
  • 1 0
 Production privé... forestal... Sounds like a CG investment bike
  • 1 1
 This has got to be the revolution of Dirtbikes!!
  • 1 0
 Vishneviy is the best!
  • 2 1
 Ti is flexy, just saying
  • 4 1
 It absolutely is, the same way people are flexing with their Rolex' and big cars
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