Propain Launches New Tyee Carbon & Tyee AM Carbon

Oct 11, 2018
by PROPAIN-Bicycles  

PRESS RELEASE: Propain

The Chief (Tyee: Chinook for chief) presents itself in a new guise. Various changes on the Tyee promise to make the Tyee an even greater and more reliable ride than ever before. Big words for a bike that has won several awards and magazine tests. Was Propain successful in improving things for all carbon Tyee Enduro and trail bikes?



At first glimpse not much has changed for the Tyee Carbon Enduro and Trail bikes. But the inner values are the ones that really matter and beside some design details this is where most of the changes are hidden. Typically for Propain the frame was gradually improved and modernized. The new Tyee now features a new modern geometry, bigger bearings with additional dust cap seals, a new downtube protector and mud fender, and more clearance for additional shock options.



NEW FEATURES AT A GLANCE

- New Geometry with a longer reach, a steeper seat angle and a slacker head angle
- Propain Dirt Shield - double sealed bearing system
- Smaller bearings have been increased in size to increase durability and reduce maintenance
- Good bye front derailleur mount
- Re-designed front and rear triangle featuring increased strength and stiffness
- New linkage layout with more progression for an improved suspension performance and compatibility with coil shocks
- New downtube protector
- Larger shock mud guard is keeping the shock nice and clean
- New vinyl stickers in various new colours providing more options than ever before
- Classification in category 5 with full Bikepark approval

“For the last 3 years as Propain Downhill World Cup team manager the Tyee has been my main bike for getting off the laptop and sneaking in a quick session with my mates. With not riding so much 'out and out DH' I pretty much ride my Tyee for everything from blasting round my local trails to light DH runs! The 2019 Tyee feels even more capable with its slightly more aggressive geometry and improved suspension layout making it handle even better on the descents. For a bike that is so set in its tracks, I can’t get my head around how playful and easy to throw around it is. It weighs nothing and goes up the climbs like a rocket!”


Ben Reid, former WC Racer, Team Manager and Ambassador


NEW FEATURES IN DETAIL

Seat angle

The seat angle was increased to 76° for a more ergonomic climbing position and a more centred weight distribution bringing the rider in the right position to be ready to attack any time.


Reach & Head angle

The Tyee Carbon 2019 features an improved modern front triangle geometry with a longer reach and a slacker head angle (65°) improving both climbing and downhill capabilities.


Lower BB

The bottom bracket was lowered to improve handling, stability and the feeling of sitting “in” the bike.


Shock compatibility

A downside of the previous version of the Tyee was the limited compatibility with different shocks. The original design was intended for air shocks only and limited riders in their choice of shocks. The Tyee Carbon 2019 has more progressive suspension layout and enough clearance to fit coil shocks and therefore features a massively improved downhill performance.

Among others, these shocks will fit the Tyee Carbon 2019:

- Rock Shox: Deluxe / Super Deluxe / several versions of Super Deluxe Coil
- FOX: Float / Float DPX2
- Cane Creek: Double Barrel / Inline


Shock leverage ratio

The total progression of the shock leverage ratio is increased from 15% to 30% to make sure the kinematics are suited to the more linear behaviour of coil shocks which are now compatible with the Tyee frame. The change in the kinematics also resulted in increased beginning stroke sensitivity, improved mid stroke support and increased bottom out resistance.



Anti-squat

The anti-squat of the original Tyee was set to around 75% in the climb gears. Shifting down at higher speeds resulted in gradually less anti-squat but increased suspension performance which gets increasingly important with higher speeds. It proved to be a great suspension setup providing both climbing efficiency and class leading high-speed traction.

Due to the higher sensitivity of coil shocks the anti-squat of the new Tyee was increased by about 10% to make sure no squatting occurs during climbing.



New improved Production method

For the Tyee Carbon 2019 a new improved process was introduced which limits the movements of the carbon layers during the forming process and uses a higher process pressure. As a result, the carbon layers are not dragged along by movements of the foam during the forming process but are able to slide on the foam core and stay in position. This leads to better fibre orientation and improved strength with smaller variations. The higher process pressure further strengthens the adhesive connections between the layers of carbon and therefore reduces variations in strength. Overall the quality, strength and stiffness of the frames could be improved.



NEW DESIGN CONCEPT

Propain has put a lot of thought into their new design concept which is featured on the complete 2019 Tyee Carbon lineup. A perfectly matching portfolio of frame decals and components offers almost endless color combination when combined with the three different frame colors. Heavy duty Vinyl stickers now provide for better quality and durability than ever before. Another big advantage of this concept is that all design elements such as decals and components can be changed afterwards in case you decide that it’s time for a change.

Frame Colors

Badmint - Moongrey - Carbonaraw

Decals & Parts

Berry - Malibumint - Racingorange

Granit - Olive - Marsred

SPECS

Tyee Carbon

As with all current models Propain gives their customers full control over how they want to build their new bike. Propain only provides feature recommendations from entry level through to highend parts enabling customers to change all parts to their liking. Pricing sees the Tyee Carbon ranging between €3.000 and €6.455.



Tyee AM Carbon

The chief’s “little brother” is a trail bike with Enduro gens. Some bike magazines that have tested this bike in the past have therefore named it Trailduro. But it’s not there to define a new bike category, it’s simply a playful trailbike that is not scared of some serious downhill action. The Tyee AM is also offered in three different preconfigured builds that can be further adapted to your needs. Prices range from 3.000€ for the entry level model and 6.300 € for the highend one.



The Tyee Carbon and the Tyee AM Carbon are now available from the Propain online shop.

GEOMETRY


Tyee Carbon


Tyee AM Carbon




79 Comments

  • + 55
 It's Chinook for chief, Native American isn't a language.
  • - 83
flag mtemp (Oct 12, 2018 at 8:32) (Below Threshold)
 SJW to the rescue. Native Peoples Groups of North America thank you for being offended on their behalf.
  • + 20
 Thanks @ZappBrannigan - I have amended Proapain's press release.
  • + 2
 @mtemp: gee, looking for attention much?
  • + 19
 @mtemp: yeah buddy! How dare he try an politely inform us!!
  • + 7
 @alexcgevans: Happy to help, it just sounded a bit weird like that.
  • + 4
 @mtemp: You probably think Mexican is a language too
  • + 10
 @me2menow: Mexican is American for Spanish, right?
  • + 3
 @mtemp: SJW to the rescue. @mtemp in North America thank you for feeling offended because @ZappBrannigan reminded us that Native American is not a language.
  • + 1
 @underhawk: Except this guy's Canadian, so let's acknowledge that ignorant people exist everywhere
  • - 2
 @me2menow: No, clearly it’s a food
  • + 0
 @mtemp: touche
  • - 1
 @me2menow: people take things so seriously around here. Every group of mtbrs I know are the most sarcastic smart ass guys and you gotta have thick skin. I can’t imagine how y’all survive group rides.
  • + 6
 @mtemp: I know plenty of smart asses who know that native American is not a language. There's a difference between being a smart ass who makes fun of people and getting triggered over someone else commenting on a news article. In the real world people correct one another--you gotta have thick skin.
  • + 1
 @Coldspringer: you are not entitled to your own opinion on pinkbike only the opinion that agrees with the masses
  • + 23
 I may be missing something in the article here but what wheelsize are these running? 27.5?
  • + 5
 Yes it’s a 27.5 range of bikes
  • + 1
 good point.
  • + 3
 I'd seriously consider one if they had a 29er, especially now they made them a bit longer. Tall guy life though
  • + 1
 @toad321: they do - it's called the Hugene
  • + 1
 @gavind: it's also 140mm travel and quite short in reach
  • + 10
 Available in North America yet?
  • + 5
 I absolutely love the look of these bikes. Maybe I'm a sheep of the industry but having chainstays longer than reach (on the size M I'd be riding) is actually what turned me off from having a friend in England buy one and ship it to me in the states
  • + 4
 AR curve and values not presented bc as a dual short-link is probably still quite high which will mean more sus movement impediment if on the brakes. A quick glance at other propains on linkagedesign.blogspot.com also suggest the AR is high.

LR curve looks fine, but this marketing BS that bikes with more progressivity work well with both air and coil shocks is utter nonsense. A progressive LR curve with a progressive (air) shock makes for an ultra progressive combined force curve and you'll never get full travel if you've set sag properly. I personally think we mere mortals don't actually benefit from the latest trends in increased progressivity, but if they have a pro team that needs to race this then what evs. Be honest with yourself and your riding abilities and if you aren't CAT2 or better then put a coil shock on there.

AS values bumped up but are still too low to be called efficient under pedaling. That and the curve itself doesn't make any sense (you want lots of AS in your pedaling zone, not rising AS out near full travel). Generally seems to follow AS design principles similar to Knolly. Prioritize traction and let compression levers take care of the climbing efficiency, so make sure your shock comes with a compression lever and be ready to have a remote for that lever if your trails are characterized as undulating and not just up then straight back down

The upside of that AS curve is super low PK so you never get that feeling like your pedalling effort spikes with every bump it hits but i only ever can perceive that phenomenon on bikes with >20 degree PK values and this is likely som where down in the single digits.

Geo numbers look nice (though CS numbers are a little long for the current fashion trend) and the bike is real purty.
  • + 3
 Nice acronyms use mr
  • + 1
 I think progression should mainly come from the frame, not the air chamber. Too many tokens make for a strange feeling and increase the need for much more high speed rebound, an adjustment many shocks don't have. Some progression over the whole travel, so it doesn't spike at the end is best imo. If you want less: ride coil or big air chamber shock. More: tokens. But don't build a totally linear/deg frame.
  • + 2
 @daweil: ymmv. IME a highly progressive frame paired with progressive air shocks (those featured on the builds) makes using full travel near impossible. Just think its easier to tune in you preferred progressivity if you don't start with something with a whole bunch built in progressivity.
  • + 2
 @freestyIAM: I don't mean highly progressive to the point it doesn't work with air, I mean a constant, "slight" (to be chosen from the company regarding the feel/use case they foresee for the bike) progression that makes it work with most shocks. I guess I agree with you
  • + 2
 what's an Armalite Rifle curve? Are you talking about bullet trajectory?
  • + 2
 Loved my Tyee when I had it.... They ride really well.... But the shock placement ain't no good for the Great British Slop. I had 2 shock shafts in 2 years due to wear. Hopefully the Global warming will get its ass in gear and bring dust to the UK.... then I may get myself another one.
  • + 1
 Was going to say same. I have never owned one but from past experience e with other bikes, I would not buy another bike with the shock behind there.
  • + 2
 why is naming effective seat angles a thing? do people elsewhere consist mostly of torso and no legs?

but nevertheless, those things rip. the predecessor is pretty fun and lively with good haptics... rides much better than YTs and quality is higher, too I think.
  • + 2
 Similar approach to knolly seat tube placement , but without the advantages of having an uninterrupted seat tube...nice open front triangle for all of those water bottles (?) But at the cost of placing your shock in the line of fire...and having the rear wheel compete with the shock for space in this era of short cs lenghs. I like the creative approach to suspension layout , but I'm not sold on the sacrifices needed to make it work.
  • + 2
 The shock behind the downtube is still a deal breaker for me. Aside from the obvious maintenance issues, it just takes so much away from what could be a really nice looking bike (see the imo awesome looking Hugene for reference). I really don't understand why with this overhaul they didn't consider moving the shock. If I bought a Propain I wouldn't consider any model except the Hugene.
  • + 4
 i really like the shock placement on propain bikes and the solid strike as well, it just makes sense to me for the shock to be placed linear with your arse
  • + 1
 All I want to see is Ben Reid and Phil Atwill do some riding together in a video. Maybe a whip off comp? Ben is probably the coolest team manager out there but more than anything I loved his riding style back when he was also competing in WC DH.
  • + 5
 Never ridden one, but I'm really digging the looks of Propain bikes
  • + 3
 It's really nice that they provided graphs of suspension kinematics. This should be listed on every bike manufacturers website for all bikes.
  • + 2
 @PROPAIN-Bicycles do you have plan to make a short travel xc/trail bike ?
something like 29er 130-120 front/ 110rear, 67HA, 75SA, 12kg aka downcountry bike
  • + 1
 Check out they're website have a look at the hugene
  • - 1
 @tomwhite1401: not really an xc bike with 110mm of travel
  • + 2
 @zede: ??? what is 100mm XC and 110 make it a trail bike...?
  • - 1
 @stiingya: I was asking for a light short travel xc bike 120/110 and the guy tells me "look at this 140/130mm bike on their website" how does that relate to what I ask ?
  • + 1
 @zede: Sorry, thought you were saying a bike with 110mm was not an XC bike... (I mean it could be or could not be, just depends) But I agree with you , the Hugene would not make a very good XC bike with that weight and travel... Cheers!
  • + 3
 what if I told you there's a market for a model with decent components but without carbon cranks, wheels and frame?
  • + 3
 The bike configurator that Propain offers is amazing. So wish other companies would hop on board with that
  • + 1
 Sooo, this looks very VPP/DW link-esque, no? I assume these are very nice pedaling bikes? Or I still have no eye for suspension designs and will be further confused by any replies to this....
  • + 0
 Nope. AS is well below 100% even with the new and improved curve. Sorry for adding to your confusion.

PS check out www.youtube.com/user/andrextr if you want some easily digested info on sus design.
  • + 1
 Steeper sta are becoming a thing, but why not just slide forward on the nose of the saddle for climbing and enjoy the longer ett for pedaling on the flats? I don't get it.
  • + 3
 Because how much mountain biking are you doing on "flat" terrain...? It's mostly up or down, so why optimize your bike set up for flat?
  • + 1
 @stiingya: Not everywhere is Whistler or Colorado. Besides, on 5% grades I don't need to have more weight on my front wheel. That's only for steep stuff, and for that I can slide forward on the saddle.
  • + 2
 Is there a list of these Category 5 bikes somewhere?
  • + 1
 Yes, what criterea makes it a level 5...? Meaningless without context
  • + 4
 @deli-hustler: so, now you can wheelie the bike and do jumps. Thank goodness.
  • + 4
 @spaceofades: yup cubes classification are an absolute joke. Some other manufacturers do that aswell. From the cheapest city-ebike up to 180mm "freeride EWS race machines" everything voids the warranty, 2cm more travel and you're allowed to doublefrontflip the Oakley sender and its okay.
  • + 4
 @daweil: hahaha this is ridiculous. the cube stereo150 (used by the cube team on the EWS) is a category 4 so therefore you're not allowed to jump over 50cm ! this is so pathetic and it just does not inspire confidence in their bikes.
  • + 2
 Why are the bikes so far away?
  • + 1
 Great looking bikes, just something about Propain bikes that makes me want one.
  • + 2
 Very light bikes for what they are if those stated weights are accurate.
  • + 1
 My 2016 Tyee carbon sieze M, tubeless, incl. pedals and alu rims: weighs 13,34kg
  • + 1
 geometrygeeks.bike/bike/propain-tyee-carbon-2019

Geometry added to the database for comparison.
  • + 1
 Fender or no fender, that is THE worst place to put the shock
  • + 1
 Whats the seat tube length?
  • + 2
 I'm guessing that's that frame size (420, 445, etc)
  • + 1
 Color: Carbonara (w) now i'm hungry
  • + 1
 10% more fun than the old model. Guaranteed!!
  • + 1
 That’s not a 76 deg seat angle.
  • + 1
 Effective... not actual.
  • + 1
 NICE FISH.
  • + 1
 445mm Chainstays?
  • + 2
 Gotta make room for that shock.
  • - 2
 Rear shock behind the downtube ? We're back in the late 90s !
Mudguard is NOT an option.

That being said, cute and decent lightweight, even the 'cheap' 3000 EUR version.
  • - 3
 Tyee is a strange bike. Never heard positive reviews ????????‍♂️
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