Qualifying Results: Vallnord DH World Cup 2018

Jul 13, 2018
by Pinkbike Staff  
No one hit this corner with more authority than Danny Hart.

FULL RESULTS AND LIVE TIMING.

Elite Men
1st. SHAW Luca 4:09.363
2nd. HART Danny 4:11.926 +2.563
3rd. GREENLAND Laurie 4:11.932 +2.569
4th. MACDONALD Brook 4:13.122 +3.759
5th. ESTAQUE Thomas 4:13.626 +4.263
Elite Women
1st. ATHERTON Rachel 04:52.932
2nd. HANNAH Tracey 05:05.645 +12.713
3rd. SEAGRAVE Tahnee 05:06.526 +13.594
4th. SIEGENTHALER Emilie 05:10.556 +17.624
5th. RAVANEL Cécile 05:14.927 +21.995





Junior Men

1st. KERR Henry 4:25.320
2nd. DAPRELA Thibaut 4:27.584 +2.264
3rd. EDWARDS Kade 4:30.377 +5.057
4th. SAURER Elia 4:33.104 +7.784
5th. EDMONDSON Jamie 4:33.683 +8.363
Junior Women

1st. HOLL Valentina 5:17.449
2nd. NEWKIRK Anna 5:40.879 +23.430
3rd. JOHNSET Mille 5:50.973 +33.524
4th. ZIBASA Paula 5:56.425 +38.976
5th. SORIANO Samantha 6:20.809 +1:03.360




FULL RESULTS AND LIVE TIMING.


145 Comments

  • + 260
 Couple of little stats for you guys:
Luca is one of 8 people to ever win 3 or more qualifiers in one year.
Thomas Estaque got a win on sector 4.
Hugo Frixtalon 4th at sector 3, that's the first steep section of the track. Se seems to do well on that stuff haha.
Laurie won sector 5 by .7 with the top 5 only being separated by 1.5 on that sector. I think that puts to rest anyone who thought his fitness was an issue at Val di Sole, especially since Vallnord is the most physical track of the year.

Rachel is insane.

worldcup.eliotjackson.com/results
  • + 57
 Rachel got the 10th biggest qualifying margin ever.
  • + 11
 Race replay visualization is so cool ! Very good work, Eliot.
  • + 14
 And another curious stat: if qually is anything to judge finals by my fantasy team will drop another 1000 spots down Big Grin
  • + 3
 pineapple pens are a thing.
  • + 4
 Thank you, Eliot! If only we could change fantasy league team after qualification Wink
  • + 6
 I always look forward to @EliotJackson bike nerds stats. I proudly fly my bike nerd flag next to his!! Keep it coming man! Big Grin
  • + 1
 @EliotJackson - when you were racing at the WC level did you brake down the data this much to help you improve your stats and see where you needed to work harder to close gaps? Or did really delving into the data become a bigger hobby after you stopped racing at that level and you just like data?
  • + 60
 @Lastpikd: Well I'll be going to MSA so hopefully I can still race at that level haha! Buuuut, that's kind of the main reason I built it because as a rider, you COULDN'T break anything down because you didn't have it. The best response has been from all the riders. We all hated trying to calculate out split times in our heads and not being able to find overall standings, etc. I've always been a nerd people just didn't know it haha Wink
  • + 6
 "Rachel is insane."
Concur, just awesome.
  • + 3
 @EliotJackson: you’re the man! Really like your plattform.
  • + 4
 Wow your site is crazy Thanks for the link Bookmarked
  • + 1
 @EliotJackson: Interesting! Knowing the stats&splits can you actually pace yourself on a DH track?
  • + 5
 come on LUCA!
  • + 6
 Can I get a YEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BOI!
  • + 13
 @martin737: Mmmm you pretty much ride as fast as you possibly can everywhere haha. I think people like Luca and Josh Bryceland have a really good idea of where time is made and lost so it almost looks like they are cruising when they aren't. The sectors are just nice to have because a lot of times you could be back a few seconds at the finish and think you need to make up time everywhere, where really you may have won one sector and been 40th in another.
  • + 9
 @EliotJackson: It's really cool to have an insider in the comment trenches!

By the way, maybe add a donate button somewhere so people who appreciate your work can buy you a beer remotely Smile
  • + 2
 @EliotJackson: Love the stats/visualizations man.

Rachel up 6.5ish seconds at the first 1:35 split is an insane margin, wow.
  • + 3
 @EliotJackson: I always liked watching ratboy ride, he uses the same principal as wiggins in a time trial, the biggest margins are made on the slowest sections, 2kph on a straight where you are going 60kmph is worth less than in a tech section where you're doing walking pace!
  • + 4
 Thomas Estaque is so pinned (here and Val di Solei) in some gaps and style... is he not on official WC team yet? Is like Commencal B team ?... Commençal is absolutely killing it...
  • + 2
 That site is awesome, the level of work that went into it, epic, just epic! PROPS!!!
  • + 2
 And with that 1st qualification Luca jumps from 6th to 4th! So cool. He's hot on Laurie. Going to be a big battle for 2nd it looks like! Heck yeah.
  • + 2
 @EliotJackson - Thanks for this tool. Its a really great way to analyze the racing just on times and speeds. Its interesting to watch how Danny Hart is fairly consistent in his pace across the whole track. Especially against Laurie Greenland who looked like he struggled in section 1, found a pace in sections 2 and 3, and then really poured it on in sections 4 and 5.

Any idea what happened to Greenland in that first stage?
  • + 3
 @jojotherider1977: thanks Smile

I don't know! It's really really fast at the top so one mistake can cost you a ton of time.
  • + 2
 @Milko3D: I feel ya... I really need to stop using timed practice as a way to pick riders.
  • + 1
 I have all four male picks in my fantasy pool in top 6. Here we come prize!
  • + 5
 @EliotJackson: most important stat - 3 of the top 10 qualified riders are from NZ!
  • + 1
 @PauRexs: He's a good dancer too!
  • + 2
 That's some amazing Data Science! Any way to just compare riders? Pinkbike likes to compare the Jr. Women with the Elite Women and maybe Rach with the men?

Do you have an RSS feed of the data from tissot or some site and feed it into your site and then visualize it? Do you have a github or open source repo where we could take a gander? For the nerds or data engineers? Even a high level description of the tech? Hosted on AWS? :nerd:
  • + 4
 @EliotJackson: where do I sign up to your fan club?

Seriously, you're my favourite rider! Who else from the World cup could have done such cool stuff!
  • + 0
 @Slabrung: Luca giddy up giddy up 4:09!
  • + 5
 @bcamapgnolo: Thank you! You can compare pretty everything you can think of for riders from the same category for a certain race, just click on their row in the results table! Since it's a bit of a novelty, I feel like if you want to compare across categories you can just click back and forth from elite to junior/men to women. Ideally, it would be on there, but I only have so much time Frown

I didn't implement a compare for riders careers because I feel like Roots and Rain has that pretty under control.

I wish it were that easy haha. The data pipeline alone has about 9k lines of code. Pulling from multiple sources, extracting from pdfs, matching names (Is Marcelo Gutierrez Villegas the same person as M. Gutierrez?), calculating sectors/splits/overall/rider stats/etc, pulling weather data (that I haven't implemented yet), scraping riders instagrams, etc, etc. Like they say real-world data is never a nice little csv/json. Lots of missing/mis-spelled/incorrect/hard to extract stuff in there.

I haven't open sourced it, maybe sometime in the future. All the data collection/pipeline is in python. Back-End of the site is python/flask/SQL Alchemy. Front-End is React/Redux. MySQL hosted on AWS. App is hosted on Heroku. Everything was from scratch.

Probably as nerdy as I should get hahaha.
  • + 2
 @EliotJackson: I miss watching and reading about you. I am glad to hear your back. I hope the injuries are healing. Keep it ripping!
  • + 2
 @EliotJackson: My nerd boner is fully erect from reading this!

Well done mate
  • - 1
 Good luck with your nerd boner,,,hahahaa sorry I had to. Don't think I've ever seen those words together but go get it!
  • + 1
 @fecalmaster: You are right.
WC data should remain on pdf files. It's so cool and 90's style.

You are really the king of trolls.

What makes you so pissed off? Your mom didn't breast feed you?
  • + 0
 @Spadluv: Who is pissed off besides you aparently. Sorry I've probably double bagged your mother so many times you would need a calculator.
  • + 1
 @EliotJackson: interesting, thank you for giving us the info. I only now noticed that you pull profile photos from Insta. Curious about how you implemented name matching. Really cool stuff, congrats!
  • + 1
 @EliotJackson: being an amatuer/junior dev i would really like to take a closer look on your work! Let me/us know if you make your work an open source project.
  • + 43
 CA'MON LUCA GET IT!!!!! (knocking on wood)
  • + 5
 Yes get the monkey off your back! With Gwin injured somebody has to make 'murica proud!
  • - 1
 @coyotecycleworks: You mean America? Learn English! Could get deported...
  • + 40
 Eddie Masters in 10th, get it son!
  • + 3
 Fuckin oath mate!
  • + 1
 Do the sleeve proud!
  • + 31
 Looks like Rach is back...!
  • + 6
 Nearly 13 seconds! .... yep, shes back!
  • + 3
 @ajayflex: Exactly. She is on fire after missing the top step by such a slim margin last weekend.
  • - 10
flag PHeller (Jul 13, 2018 at 10:25) (Below Threshold)
 ...and we're back to somewhat boring racing in the woman's field. The battle for second place.
  • + 1
 @PHeller: Jumping the gun a bit, aye? She definitely crushed it in qualifying, but let's wait and see what happens in the race tomorrow. I ain't counting out Tahnee with the season she's had and I know Tracey is gunning for a win. Hoping for one helluva race!
  • + 1
 If there was ever a track that suits Rach over the other riders it's this one
  • + 0
 We shouldn't fault Rachel for being so dominant. We should look to the rest of the women's feel to step their game up.
  • + 2
 @bman33: I'm certainly not faulting her. When Schumacher was winning every race for what seemed like an eternity, F1 actually lost viewership. Dominance on the top podium can stifle competition.
  • + 1
 Toi bad pompon is injured, it would have been a nice fight otherwise. ... go cecile, you gotta represent commencal
  • + 2
 Knowing she has Tahnee Seagrave in the rear view mirror, I believe that she's going to ride more aggressively.
  • + 1
 @PHeller: I told you man. Tahnee is one fire right now! ????
  • + 22
 Oh look, Vali Holl is only up by 2.3 seconds ...... oh wait, no never mind that's actually 23 seconds.
  • + 3
 She would be 7th in qualies in the Elite women. Smile
  • + 3
 Exactly. The women's field is sorely lacking competition and depth. Looks like Vali will step in where Rachel leaves off onece she retires.
  • + 11
 @bman33: or she will be like finn, and just keep posting times that would beat juniors and be top 20 elite.
  • + 3
 @takeiteasyridehard: Possible. That said, she is up and coming. Once her group is the main in elite, she appears to be the top by far. I still stand by my observation that the women's filed lacks competitive depth outside the top 3-4 in the Pro category.
  • + 2
 @bman33: No its not, the results have been all over the place - yes, we need more, but its nowhere near a easy win scenario for Rach
  • + 3
 If Rachel retires tomorrow it will even out the womens field with good competition. Just because Holl places 7th in Elite doesn't mean she'll "take Rachel's place." Atherton is on another level. Now, if Holl was placing in 2nd only a few second behind Rachel, that'd be a different story.
  • + 2
 @PHeller: Didn't say she would. My point is Vali is as dominant in her class as Rachel is in the Pro Women. If, and that's a big IF, she continues at that level and progresses, she has a very likely shot at becoming the same in Pro. Not sure who/if she has a trainer. However, I feel she has a bright future.
Overall the last 3 years or so have seen the women's field step their game up collectively a good bit at the top. This is in no doubt a direct influence from Rachel. Anne Caro was (and still is) a complete bad ass on a bike. The only real comp she had was Missy. Even then, Anne was in a class of her own. Missy won the World Champs once back in the early 90's and I think only one or two wins at a WC race. However, she was almost always on the edge of control and was known more for her persona and marketing punch. It was really only a two-woman show back then from a DH perspective
  • + 2
 @bman33: Agreed. Holl might not be Rachel's match quite yet, but she's got plenty of time to catch up.
  • + 2
 @PHeller: Remember that she's only 17. Where was Rach ranking at the same age? What when Vali reaches her maturity in her 20's? I bet on her for future WC and World championships wins.
  • + 17
 Bruni crashed right in front of me, between the 2 doubles after the 2nd bridge, about 500m from the start
  • + 2
 Cheers for that fella, did he get up okay?
  • + 2
 @jamesdunford:
He got back on his bike, but he looked kinda out of it.
  • + 1
 Hurt? Will he race?
  • + 1
 Bummer! What about Amaury Pierron, Finn Iles and Marine Cabirou?
  • + 3
 @kerberos: He is a though cookie. No doubt he will race.
  • + 2
 @martin737: Amaury was flying, on attaque mode.
Finn looked good, but riding smooth might no be enough over here.
I didn't see Marine
  • + 16
 Tomorrow's gonna be tiiiiiight like a toiger
  • + 8
 After the constant whinging on here regarding Scribd's readability, I like to take a moment to thank whoever has produced the clear and readable results in this post. Someone has gone to quite a bit of effort to do this and it's appreciated.
  • + 10
 I’d love to see Luca or Danny take this one, but I’m ready to see Luca get that first WC.
  • + 4
 Luca is due for a win. He's been knocking on that door for a while and it's about to open for him.
  • + 11
 GO LUCA!!!!!!
  • + 9
 That Frixtalon kid is gonna get his dream come true and be a full on sponsored rider next year.
  • + 2
 Yeah, looks like he flipped the switch last week in Val di Sole.
  • + 9
 What happened to Loic ?
  • + 27
 He stopped for a tug part way down apparently.
  • + 2
 @murfio: Not again!
  • + 4
 He crashed right at the beginning of the track (right in front of me), and seemed a little knocked out, but he went back on his bike.

Strange place to crash, between 2 jumps on a flat bit.
Looked like his wheel caught a root, but everything happened fast.
  • + 1
 @Spadluv: I hope he didn't get concussed... when you wrote about him being knocked out, it made me worry.
  • + 1
 @Slabrung: Those guys train hard to build a shield out of the body.
I didn't hang out after the quali, but I'm sure he will be fine.
  • + 2
 @Slabrung: On Instagram he says he's got some "stitches in his butt" and it was one of the "less enjoyable crashes" he's ever had, but he plans to race. Tough fella. Respect.
  • + 1
 @djch00k: He smashed the trees so hard, they pressed charges agains him.
  • + 1
 @djch00k: so it wasn't just me who checked his Insta to see how he's doing Smile Tough guy, fared quite well in the finals. Which doesn't make me worry less. I guess I became really sensitive about such things after reading Lorraine Truong's story.
(Adding @Spadluv )
  • + 6
 Also good to see Gee back in the mix he seems to get back in form this year!
  • + 7
 Nobody "deserves" anything in racing... But that said Luca deserves a win!
  • + 2
 I think adding up all of his qualifier wins should earn him an "honorary" WC title. Wink
  • + 7
 Good to see Moir and Bruce Klein off the injured list.
  • + 1
 Yep..Especially as Moir is on my fantasy team, and has been since the start of the season, including the rounds he missed .. Never get round to editing before it's too late..
  • + 5
 My fantasy skills are just like Luca, really good in qualies and then something usually falls apart in the finals. Really hope he gets the win tomorrow.
  • + 5
 Good to see Phil Atwill getting up there after his knee injury. He’s looking stronger than ever.
  • + 5
 The top 20 Mens is more like the French / British Commonwealth champs.
Its a sea of red, white and blue.
  • + 10
 Numero uno
  • + 5
 Greg will throw a little bit of Green in the mix when he returns
  • - 27
flag hostforaxenomorph (Jul 13, 2018 at 6:52) (Below Threshold)
 @Jimmy0: But he cant finish a race Big Grin Oh and America is pretty much a commonwealth country since we created you with criminals in the 16/1700s.
  • - 10
flag hostforaxenomorph (Jul 13, 2018 at 6:59) (Below Threshold)
 @stretchza: I was so gutted about him this year. Really wanted him to beat Gwin. Seems like such a nice guy.
  • + 13
 @hostforaxenomorph: yep! Nailed it! I wish everyone was as smart as you.

PS, California alone has a better economy than the entire UK. Must be all those industrious criminals you sent our way.

Thanks for pointing out that Gwin has never finished a race too, especially not with a flat tire or broken chain, and has definitely never EVER podiumed.
  • + 6
 @hostforaxenomorph: Criminals perhaps, but we do have dentists...sh!t, so does that mean we're responsible for the popularity of $12K plastic bikes?

But for reals, what you guys, the frenchies and the Anzacs are bringing to the table these days is so damn impressive. As a commonwealth criminal, I hope to see Luca, Harrison and Dak continue to push for top results. And a big hell yeah for Gee! That's a solid time and hopefully an indication he's getting back to form (now just stay on yer bike). Can't freakin' wait until tomorrow...
  • + 1
 @loganm2977: Why do you all get so serious and cant take a bit of banter or a joke? So what if i prefer Minaar over Gwin too. Sorry you don't get British humour.
  • - 3
 @loganm2977: Was talking about Lucas.
  • - 5
flag fecalmaster (Jul 13, 2018 at 8:10) (Below Threshold)
 @hostforaxenomorph: You'll find most people are more fun to laugh at than with.
  • + 5
 @hostforaxenomorph: I always find it interesting when some UK folks talk about America as though it was only populated by British people. I'm pretty sure the land was already filled with Native Americans (that are still here by the way) and a whole area occupied by Spanish settlers and others by French settlers. While battles and wars may have swayed the populations, we are and have always been a diverse nation inhabited by far mar than just British people.
  • + 1
 @lobohusky: Your right. Didnt you kill most of thr Natives though ?
  • + 2
 @lobohusky: FYI. Last comment was banter. No hard fealings. Us British love taking this piss.
  • + 0
 @hostforaxenomorph: I'm sorry but didnt we win our independence by winning a war? Don't you call and ask our, the United States of America, military for help in your wars now?
  • + 3
 As much I like Rachel as Pro rider and uncountable Probs for her incredible results but i liked it more when it was not that obvious that she'll take the win. but for sure, gold for the best!
  • + 9
 Tight racing is always more entertaining. The other women need to step up their game. Rachel has the affect of forcing everyone to get better. The women's field is better now than it has been in a long while. However, Rachel is still miles above everyone else. Seagrave is showing improvement for sure.
  • + 3
 Rachel ain 't screwing around complete Beast mode! Vale Hole Ain't screwing around either!
  • + 3
 Good to see rachel back on form...
  • + 2
 Seems she has a point to prove and was not too happy about losing out at the last round.
  • + 2
 Holy shit, if those boys can do that for finals.... That's like my whole fantasy team haha
  • + 1
 Looks like I am in good standing for the fantasy league this week. All 4 of my male riders are in the top 6. This is my first week so I'm hoping for a WIN!
  • + 3
 Brendog on the live feed - get in son
  • + 1
 I believe it's only top 25 on live feed
  • + 3
 Marine Cabirou - crash or mechanical?
  • + 2
 LUCA!!! Bringing the HEAT!! Go get the top step!
  • + 2
 Bruce Klein, Back on the bike after injury. Good luck!
  • + 2
 I think Rach is gonna win the womens race
  • + 8
 That's a bit far fetched.
  • + 2
 What happened to SuperBruni and Finn Iles (19th place no good)?
  • + 3
 Mark Wallace is down in the 60s. Must have had something go wrong.
  • + 2
 @Ride406orDie: Fortunately, Mark is protected.
  • + 1
 @martin737 unfortunately, Bruni crashed.
  • + 2
 PISGAH!!!!!
  • + 1
 Luca shaw's latest implosion should be interesting as usual.
  • + 1
 Looking good for some league points.
  • + 1
 Do we get points for qualifying results?
  • + 1
 @Lotusoperandi: no just finals.
  • + 1
 @Lotusoperandi: No, not this year. They've said big changes will come next year, such as rider values changing each round based on standings. But I can't remember if qualifying parts are part of the plan
  • + 1
 @Lotusoperandi: In terms of potential points I meant sorry
  • + 1
 @showmethemountains: I don't get shh rider values should change mid-season. I assume we're trying yo emulate real life, and riders' contracts don't change so frequently?
  • + 1
 @Slabrung: No, I don't think they're trying to emulate real life too closely. I think the main idea is to get people more engaged and paying more attention to practices and results and riders of all ranks, which builds stronger fans. It's worked for me! I've never followed the season and all the riders and team this closely!

The values are based on performance, which can change over the season. And right now they are locked in based on last year's standings, which is really out of date for some riders. If the values are regularly shifting then it will force us to pay even more attention as we reshuffle our teams. I.e. more engaged

But it would be cool if they let you keep riders without penalty if their value increases, so you take chances on lower ranked riders at the beginning of the season. Or discounts on riders returning from injury to encourage people to take a risk on them.
  • + 2
 @showmethemountains: ok in this case I'm convinced, and I agree with all that you wrote. And it's true that I've never followed the World Cup so closely as I do now, it's so much fun! (Although my results are pitiful.)
  • + 1
 Came here for the Junior Women's slaughter-fest by Holl. Smile
  • + 1
 This is going to be sick!
  • + 1
 Atwill, Fearing, and Atherton all top 15 qualifiers Nice
  • + 0
 Valentina Holl would have placed 7th in pro women! whoa! That's fast
  • + 1
 LUCA!!
  • + 1
 Young guns shooting

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