Quick Poll: How Many of Your Fork Crowns HAVEN'T Creaked?

Feb 15, 2021
by Brian Park  

Last week we asked if your fork crown has ever creaked, and the answer was overwhelming. Over 45% of people who responded said they've have had at least one fork crown creak. That's a HUGE percentage. Respondents also said 87% of those creaks happened in the first two years, and only 33% of them were resolved seamlessly by the manufacturers.

Over the years I've experienced creaking CSUs from several of the major manufacturers, and it seems to me there's a problem that needs addressing, but I've also seen lots of falsely accused CSUs, and my own anecdotal impression is that less and less forks are having problems. These numbers make the issue of creaking CSUs look so huge that I'm skeptical. It wouldn't be viable for brands to continue making product if they had a 45% failure rate—the after sales service costs would be unimaginably high.

I suspect there was some participation bias in our last poll, and that people who haven't had issues responded in lower numbers. There's also of course going to be some misidentification of creaks from headsets, stems, etc., and we didn't ask about how many forks have been creak free over the years.

So, is the issue overblown? Just how serious is it?









What brand(s) of single crown suspension fork have you owned?




We'll tally these results and update with some conclusions in a couple of days. What's your guess as to percentage of forks that have creaking issues?


198 Comments

  • 81 5
 Theres no 0 option for how many creak free forks we've owned. I've had 6+ bikes and never a creak...
  • 105 1
 Ugh, there is now. I'm just not very smart.
  • 4 0
 @brianpark: No there isn't.
  • 5 0
 @brianpark: I don't see a zero? I see 10 and 10 plus.
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: I still don't see zero after refreshing a couple of times
  • 2 0
 @NERyder: it there now.
  • 38 0
 @NERyder: ugh. For some reason the poll won't let me use "0", so I had to have it say "Zero". Should be in there now. Technology, fun...
  • 1 0
 Same here!
  • 78 0
 @brianpark: what if it creaked in the woods while I wasn't there? Do you have an option for that?
  • 11 0
 @IsaacO @brianpark Maybe I'm misunderstanding here. If Isaac has owned 6+ bikes with no creaks, then his answer would be 7 (or more), not zero. Am I dumb?
  • 4 0
 @subwaypanda:
If you wasn't there and no one heard it. Did it creak?.......
  • 7 0
 @subwaypanda: If a fork creaked in the forest, and there’s nobody around to hear, does it make a sound?
  • 1 0
 @jmc361: Depends if it was alone in the forest. (also, you're not wrong)
  • 5 0
 @brianpark: not true. You are smart and doggone it, people like you!
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: you're doing great
  • 6 0
 So wouldn't that mean you have 6 creak free forks?
  • 1 13
flag pinegrove (Feb 15, 2021 at 19:13) (Below Threshold)
 this is stupid, who's paying for this poll
  • 3 0
 @pinegrove: just filling in some data to supplement the last creak related poll. I am glad to see this one!
  • 2 0
 If it ain’t creaking, you’re not riding hard enough.
  • 2 0
 Putting the two polls together you find that
for ownership: 12% more riders have owned Rock Shox than Fox
for creaks: 45% more riders have creaks with Fox compared to Rock Shox
  • 1 0
 When I raced and had new bikes each season, I had creak issues on 4 forks over 4 years. This actually counts a replacement I was sent, that also creaked.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: No option for owning multiple fork brands?
  • 1 0
 @Intensevp: the answer is: yo! or nes! You can only be certain in the moment of measurement
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: Because your form engine says "0" == numeric zero == boolean False == you didn't enter an option Big Grin
  • 1 0
 So how much would it cost us for Fox to put a key in the steer tube, so it can't rotate in the CSU?
Likely at lot less than buying a new CSU every year (after the first year) or new fork every year
  • 2 0
 @taprider: Generally what causes the creek is mud/moisture splash up at the base of the steerer. It eventually works it's way in. It then creates a gritty paste. That paste is the cause of the creak. The stop gap at the moment is to use a form of locktite in there to keep the moisture out.

Every fork manufacturer is working on solutions for this issue. All of them.

It's not like they're sitting at their desks going... oh well. No one likes shit to creak... especially engineers and FOX is an engineer driven brand.
  • 1 0
 @onemanarmy: then why not add a quick squeeze tube silicon gasket? Should seal out the water, easy to peel off and replace if needed? Not sure here, but seems like a reasonable fix.
  • 1 0
 @OldDert: Honestly if I lived somewhere that I was constantly riding in water I'd already have done something like that. Fenders help but aren't an end all be all. And I'm sure I'm oversimplifying. Some folks get creak for other reasons. Metal fatigue. Install/QC issues. Who knows. I'm not an engineer. But I'd venture to guess than most are related to what I'm talking about.
  • 1 0
 The issue is not so much the creaking, but that you can't get your fork serviced without buying a new CSU

The loctite fix doesn't work for BC riders. As well, around here the use fenders or not does not make a difference.

My old F32 29" does not have problems, but the arch and crown look beefier than my F34. Even my old F32 26" 140mm 9mm QR did not have such problems, and both the F32s are plenty stiff enough for me.
  • 66 0
 Just send everyone a new pair of forks, and we can fill in little questionnaires every couple of weeks. C'mon Pinkbike - be our Oprah.
  • 50 0
 Dude... Look under your seat tup
  • 12 0
 @Dropthedebt: ....seatpost?
  • 2 0
 I sent mine for service and got free forks for a creak (and then they found something else) I didn't even realise it was the fork that was creaking, win!
  • 2 1
 @RonSauce: Seatpost is under the saddle. Wink
  • 2 0
 You get a 38! You get a 38! You get a 38!
  • 7 0
 @Dropthedebt: there is a brown substance I'm hoping is mud.
  • 1 0
 @Auto-XFil: came here to say this, but you 2 up'd with the 38.
  • 1 0
 @ginger-wheels: you need a nurse and not Oprah Nurse
  • 1 0
 @Dropthedebt: Stop it David Blaine
  • 60 9
 None of my 10+ forks have ever developed creaks. Just about everything else has but not forks.
I’ve ran fox, RS, marzocchi, Pace, RST and Suntour.

Plus I’ve never weighed less than 210lb.

I reckon a lot of it is misidentification of the source of the creak
  • 4 2
 Same.
  • 12 4
 Exact same experience. Most creaks I've had have been stems followed by headsets.
  • 3 0
 I must have had more than ten forks and only one creaked. It was a 2015 Fox 36 RC2 170 275. It was definitely the fork. Same bike, same headset, same everything with a Yari and it did not creak. The creak never affected performance as far as I could tell so it don't really bother me. It did creak though.
  • 24 0
 Not even at birth ? Poor Mom ! Smile
  • 5 0
 I've been mountain biking for 20 some years and had a lot of bikes over that time. And many of them have had creaks, as to where the creaks were coming from.....that's a lot harder to determine... Especially when I can't be that bothered. Still we have it pretty well compared to 15 years ago, when ovalized pivots were common and chain slap very common. Back then we used expressions like "yeah, I was really hammering down that trail" not as a reference to "hammering on the pedals", but rather the blacksmith like sounds that our bikes produced we hit a bump.
  • 9 0
 Take fork off, put in vice, pull or push lowers, listen to creak. It's not rocket science.
  • 9 0
 In the ten-ish years I was a professional mechanic, not even once did someone bring me a bike with creaking and, if they attempted to, have correctly identified the source. Make of that what you will.
  • 5 1
 @jaame: still not definitely the fork then.
New fork headset may have been tightened to different torque or greased better. Working in bike shops for 2 decades and most "fork creaks" are fixed by just taking it out and refitting it properly. Need to actually test the fork in isolation to prove it.
  • 4 0
 I’ve only had two single crown forks not develop creaks. Every other single crown fork I’ve owned has creaked within the first 12 months.
  • 3 2
 yep yep. i imagine it can happen but that seems rare. in the hundred of bikes ive serviced in the past few years not one had a fork creak. headset? yep. hub? of course. rim/spoke ? sadly yes. stem? handlebar? yes yes. but fork, nope lol.
  • 3 2
 @p1nkbike: I don’t believe you. Three of my last four single crown forks have developed creeks.
  • 1 3
 Same here! A better question is how many derailleurs have you wrecked. Seriously, forks are pretty durable... drivetrain is the weakest link!
  • 3 1
 @derekr: i have never torn off a derailleur. But on my last pike i had 4 CSUs and it is still cracking. (No it is not the headset. )
  • 1 0
 @dekerf853: Sooo... it looks like it's for some people... Big Grin
  • 2 0
 If you rode back in the day of cheap square taper cranks that have been ridden loose for a while, thats the sort of noise you get from a properly creaking crown, its not a noise you're going to get from a headset, it sounds like pain.
  • 2 0
 I tried and replaced everything before I conceded it being the forks. Took it to the SRAM trailer at Ard rock they heard it and fitted a new set of pikes on the spot!
  • 1 0
 @stupegg: yeah yeah so it wasn't the fork... Ha!
  • 2 0
 No, fork crowns creak. Otherwise bike brands wouldn’t be paying Pinkbike for the survey data.

When I raced, I had 4 creaky fox 32’s between the years 2013 and 2016. I’m talking full-on, multi-click “chiropractor” creaks. Fox handled it with open arms.
  • 1 0
 @FloriLori: Looks like I am missing something here with my neg props! Have you figured out where it is creaking? Is it the stanchion to crown connection or the steertube to crown connection? Maybe it's tough to tell? I'm not sure exactly how they assemble these components to the crown; maybe press fit with Loctite? Or shrinkfit?

What is a CSU?

Anyway, I still think it is very odd that you've never wrecked a derailleur but hey to each their own.
  • 20 2
 I've owned mostly Fox forks since they started making the 36 model. 10 plus single crown forks owned over the years. Just about every one of them developed a CSU creak. The ones that didn't were mostly because I didn't own them long enough. I have owned a few Rockshox singles with no issues. No misdaignosis, if you know how to isolate and check for it. It's really easy by removing the fork, clamping the steerer tube, and flexing the lowers back and forth. You can easily hear and/or feel the creak or pop. I think, the probability of a fork having this issue goes way up, with more aggressive riders and less accurate riders with a tendancy to case landings on the regular. Both of which define my riding style, lol.
  • 2 0
 Yep, easy to diagnose. I had 4 of them in 2 years riding otherwise excellent 36 RC2's, and the Fox warranty dept. confirmed the problem and replaced them a few times. I also ride hard and case stuff on a slack bike. Moved on to other brands, done with the hassle. 2 solid years on a DVO Onyx sc, and now trying a Manitou Mezzer, which is rumored to have reliable CSUs. We'll see.
  • 3 0
 Mine used to do it when I was messing around doing endos and front wheel touches on stuff. It stopped as soon as I put a Yari on. It was definitely the fork. That's the only thing that changed. Yes the crown race was taken off and refitted to the new fork, but that aside nothing changed. Maybe a tiny bit more grease. It was the fork, beyond a reasonable doubt.
  • 23 6
 Been riding suspension forks since my First Rockshox Mag 10. I did not even know "crown creak" was a thing until a saw this pole. I'm thinking the issue is overblown.
  • 4 3
 Facts
  • 3 0
 Fox replaced my CSU on my 34SC 3x in 13 months under it's 1 year warranty. it must be a thing.
  • 3 0
 Myself and a couple of guys I know that race enduro have replaced forks because of creaking...if anything I think it is a bigger issue than companies admit.

That being said, some people are sensitive to sounds. I know of some people who ride their bike regardless of what it sounds like (a trolley full of pots and pans) while myself will stop a ride to fix any minor sound.
  • 14 1
 @brianpark I wonder if an additional question should be "have you had it professionally diagnosed?".

I just had my first one and I had taken in the fork to a certain place in the lower mainland that services DVO to get the full service done. They are the ones that told me when they said they did a test on it and now will not service it because of the creak and my options are a really expensive repair and still service or replacement. Prior to their diagnosis I had no idea that I even had a creak. But if I would have heard a creak, it could have been from a variety of issues that I nor most people are reliable enough to diagnose.

BTW - I appreciate what you guys do and that your are bringing light to this even though some people don't agree or think there is ulterior motive behind it. I bought my bike pre-COVID, got laid off during COVID, had to take a lower paying job and biking has been my only saviour. When I found out about this creaky CSU thing, it was devastating. I saved up to do the service and now have to dump more money on it to get a working fork. It was amazing to see that this is such a problem and the manufacturers really need to do something about this. So thanks for the poll, enlightening!
  • 4 0
 is this the „have you turned it off and on yet“ of the bike world?
  • 5 0
 First, sorry for the hardships. But this story.. So there's supposed to be a manufacturing issue in the press-fit of the steerer or stanchion into the crown that manifests as a noise: a creak. But the customer doesn't hear it, the suspension service center diagnoses it, seemingly goes looking for it, with a particular test. Then the result of the test is that the suspension center doesn't want to touch it unless the customer goes for some big ticket repair, maybe like CSU replacement because it's such a big deal. But not a big enough deal to warranty it? That's an ugly, expensive little gap

If people take away one thing from this PB article it should be that you can't fix bad data with a little more slightly less bad data. All of this is participation biased, and if you want another fancy data science term: availability heuristic. Creaky CSU goes to the top of a person's list of 'probable' sources of noise because they've heard of it. They've heard of it to this great extent because of the echo chamber effect of social media like this. It becomes a little part of a shop's business model, further cementing the meme as something real and important and worth your $ and your worry
  • 11 1
 I've ridden with dozens of people who has crazy creaky CSU's who thought either nothing of it or thought it was something else i.e headset. So the response bias by people with issues could just as easily be negated by those who never knew what the creaking sound was.
  • 10 2
 What this is missing (and the other one too) is an option where you may have had one but didn't care. Because if it's just a noise and not a real issue I tend to just put up with it.

Slight disc rub? Who cares.
Rattling brake pads? Rattle away.
Creaky Crown? Whatever.
  • 11 0
 I had a Cane Creak... I'll get my coat.
  • 6 0
 I'm sure someone will have something to say to the contrary, but I've owned a few CC Helm forks and none have creaked.

Compared to 4/4 creaking Pikes.

CC is actually pressing their own CSUs in NC using proper pressfit compounds - I've seen the process in person. Pretty sure most of the big guys pressing things together haphazardly without application of pressfit compounds.
  • 3 0
 @privateer-wheels: pure word play on my part. Sorry.
  • 2 0
 @Dropthedebt: yes, I figured Razz
  • 10 2
 I feel like people want their forks to creak so they can brag on the internet about how hard they shred
  • 2 1
 Exactly. They break so much stuff.
  • 5 0
 From what I've seen, heard and ridden in my life, last week's poll results are pretty much spot-on. Many of my friends are good mechanics who know how to diagnose problems on their bikes and how to recognize a fork creak vs a headset creak. Many of us mountain bikers can't stand creaks or noises and we are all getting pretty good at finding the culprits to remedy the situation.

I've never had a fork creak before 2007, then almost all of them since then creaked at the CSU. After rebuilding forks and headsets each time, checking the bike for every other problem, and finally sending the fork for warranty, my diagnosis were all confirmed right by the warranty center.

To get more "reliable" results, this poll would at least need to ask :
-How many single-crown forks have you owned in total? (that would put more perspective)
-If it was creaking, was your fork warrantied or denied? (that would prove if the self-diagnosis was right)

There are many more questions to ask to get the answer right, but it feels like either you don't trust your Pinkbike readers, or you don't want to acknowledge that this is a real problem.

If Fox and Rock Shox forks didn't creak as much I could have bought one, but I went with a Cane Creek Helm and a DVO Diamond because they were reputed to be less prone to creaking. I can't stand this noise on my bike!
  • 5 0
 Yep. Same as you, I don't recall much in way of creaking as far back as 2007. I think a lot of manufacturers are just making things too light now. CSUs have less meat and are more easily compromised. Like yourself I've gone Cane Creek and have had no issues after doing so.
  • 2 0
 @privateer-wheels: Good to know! Still haven't ridden the Helm but this is encouraging.
  • 6 2
 Spending 20 odd years working in bikes shops most fork creaks aren't fork creaks it's mostly headsets or stems. Had so many people tell me its definitely csu and its a known issue and their friends had it warrantied, only to strip down the front end grease it all properly, put it back together to correct torque values and magically no creak and no new csu. Googling bike noises is not useful.
  • 2 0
 Next poll, do you use the correct torque or guess?
  • 4 0
 Part 3 should bracket head angles and travel on those bikes. How many creaking CSU on bikes with HA 70-68? 68,>66? 66, >64? 64? What was travel on those creaking forks? 110? 115-130? 135-150? 155-170? 175+? Could do a real study for the industry.
  • 4 1
 Why don’t brands just thicken up the crowns and beef up the steerers a bit? I would’ve much rather seen fox/rockshox do that than add 2-3mm to their stanchion diameters and act like they’ve solved world hunger, only to have those new gen forks continue to creak.
  • 3 0
 At the time I'm writing this, there's at least 10,315 forks reported (with 10+ obviously being unknown, but counted as 11), with a minimum of 1940 having a creak (same 10+ issue). That's 18.8% which creaked*.

The poll intro asks "how serious is it"?
1. How severe a problem is creaking? Is it just annoying, or is it a real safety issue? A safety issue makes it gravely serious. Otherwise...
2. What other fork related issues surface in 18% of owned forks? If creaking comes up more than other (non-safety) issues, then the creaking crowns is "serious". If there are several other annoying issues that come up more frequently, then it's probably down on the list as far as priority to fix, and I wouldn't call it that serious.

Can't really answer either of those questions with this poll. So it's really hard to say.

*If you take the 10+ data points out, it's 1709 of 6960, or 24.6%, which have issues.
  • 3 0
 Putting the two polls together you find that
for ownership: 12% more riders have owned Rock Shox than Fox
for creaks: 45% more riders have creaks with Fox compared to Rock Shox
  • 1 0
 correction:
for ownership: 12% more Rock Shox are owned than Fox
since some people can have owned multiple forks and have had both Rock Shox and Fox.

So how much would it cost us for Fox to put a key in the steer tube, so it can't rotate in the CSU?
Likely at lot less than buying a new CSU every year (after the first year) or new fork every year
  • 3 1
 As bikes have gotten better and more solid, I notice the weird noises more.

I couldn’t hear my fork creaking over the cacophony of the front derailleur and bucket of bolts bikes I rode back in the day.

My singlespeed is mostly silent, but when it makes a noise, I notice immediately. The same thing is beginning to happen to trail bikes as they’ve gotten better and quieter.
  • 2 0
 3 out of 4 Fox products that I've owned in the last two years have been in for warranty repairs. 36 factory with creaky CSU, 34 with serious bushing play and a dhx2 that pushed all the oil out. The process has taken 2+ months in every case.
Funnily the only one without problems is a cheap DPS!
  • 1 0
 Ah yes and my 2015 Pike that also started creaking eventually but then the warranty was gone.
  • 1 0
 I’ve had two out of three fox products warrantied, a 36 with bushing play and a snapped damper shaft on a dps.
  • 2 0
 This is the first year since I owned a RockShox Domain in 2011 that I have not had a creeky CSU.... I'm very happy to hear this issue is being polled about because, in my opinion, it's a substantial issue - especially with the head angles on bikes stocked with single-crown forks now. I've always been amazed that reviews across the industry never mentioned this issue because the majority of my forks began creaking within 3 weeks of hard riding...

I have had to warranty 4 forks for this issue (4/5 bikes in the past 7 years). Each time the manufacture admitted it was a warranty claim and replaced the upper fork unit. It was not an easy claim to make each time, however, with some (fox) making me send my fork to California for a month so that they could inspect it. They wouldn't even let a reputable shop declare it was an issue when it clearly was.
  • 3 1
 Pinkbike, if you assume riders are not good enough at mechanic to be sure that's the fork is creaking (and not headset or whatever), then the creaking %age from this poll is also underestimated because not everybody knows how to drop the lower to check if stanchions creak. So in this case, that means there could be more creaking fork than the poll show.
And I'm not even talking about how many fox i've sent under warranty because of bushing play (1x34, 3x40, 2x36 and soon a 3rd 36). I'm only 65kg, average rider, not Loic Bruni, but not beginner either.

And Yes, warranty service costs money, but not to the manufacturer, don't worried guys, it' all include in the price tag :')
  • 5 0
 My body creaks, cracks and pops...not to worried about the bike....
  • 2 0
 Exactly.. was on a fire road climb last week and my buddy asked if my chainring was loose as it knocked same spot, every rotation. I told him it was my upper femur jiggling in my hip joint.
  • 1 0
 I'm not 100% certain that the marzocchis on my norco from circa 2000 didn't creak. That bike made lots of noises when I sold it in 2016.

I had a click sound from the front of my newest bike a while ago. I was dreading a csu creak from my 38s. Turned out to be the handlebar clamps needed a tiny bit more torque. Silent again.
  • 4 0
 If a fork creaks in the forest and no one is around the hear it. Does it make a sound?
  • 1 0
 Of course it doesn’t. Misdiagnosis. Clearly it is always the headset.
  • 1 0
 To get more meaningful results to your survey, you should ask if you have had CSU creaks:
- only in my most recent fork
-only in previous forks 1 to 10 years old
-only in forks older than 10 years
- both new and old forks
etc.

I have had greater than 10 forks but only answered yes to creaks for 1 fork, but than was my latest F34.
and since it went if for service I have been riding a ten year old F32 (29" with 9mm QR) and can't feel any flex or hear any creaks. So since I am not heavy or aggressive enough to have problems with old 32s and other weight weenie XC forks from other brands (except the original SID and that was night and day) I think the problem is with current fork manufacturers and not my riding.
  • 1 0
 No fork creaking ever, over 10 different single crowns ranging from 120-170 from both RS and Fox, I've had friends that have had creaking issues in the past though.

But can we talk about creaking stems for a second? It seems like such a simple thing but I've had issues with multiple stems, and no amount of cleaning or carbon paste remedies it.
  • 1 0
 "We'll tally these results and update with some conclusions in a couple of days. What's your guess as to percentage of forks that have creaking issues? "

I don't see how you can calculate percentage in a meaningful way, based on the questions asked. Question should be, "has your most recent fork creaked?"
  • 1 0
 How do people figure out if it's the fork creaking or not? I thought I had a CSU creak, but then I tightened the bolts on my fender, and the bike was silent again. Other people mention headsets and stems creaking too, which again would be coming from the same area.
  • 1 0
 You need to take the fork off the bike and clamp the steerer in a vice. Then apply a force to the axle area and see if the creak is still there.
  • 1 0
 2007 Rock shox totem and 2011 Marz 66. Them 2 were pretty bad. Fox is pretty good no prob, bos was good till service then disposable. Kowa was pretty good too with its one piece crowns. I’d say forks need to be 1 piece crowns would be great.
  • 1 0
 Had a creak caused by a worn headset crown race, but not any of the 6+ forks I've owned yet. I only weigh 75kg though. Had a rental bike that creaked like crazy (late model RS) but I guess that doesn't count if you don't own it.
  • 1 0
 Had a couple Fox 36s (2015ish) creak on me. Oddly, one of them would only creak after about 30 minutes of riding, and I wouldn't hear it unless I was grinding slowly uphill. Someone told me that was normal/common with Fox, and I never bothered to warranty...

I put down 3 since I had a bike with a mystery creak from the head tube back when I didn't know fork crown creak was a thing. Greased everything and replaced the headset, but no luck. 3 out of 10 or so... hmm, that's like 1 susp fork owned for every year I've been seriously riding.

A more annoying issue is bushing slop. Had a couple RockShox have an issue with knocking like a loose headset. Didn't notice it until I switched to a 203mm rotor up front and only when braking at under 5 mph. Now that I confirmed it was the bushing, I notice it adding harshness everywhere, from washboard/braking bumps to actual chunk. Hmm, wonder if RS will still warranty 3 years after purchase.
  • 1 0
 Might be interesting to also gather weight of the riders who have developed creaks, and riding style/conditions too. I'm a lighter rider at 165 lbs, and ride jumps/drops in the 3-4 foot range is all. No huge sends. I do ride occasionally in some damp conditions, stream crossings, and a bit of mud, but vastly more often the trails are dry. Never had a single fork creak in 8-10 different bikes and 1000's of miles now. Started riding mtn bikes in 1989 and owned an original Rock Shox mag 20... and many others since
  • 1 0
 Three of four single crown forks I have owned in the past ten years started to creek around the two-year mark. The only offer I have received is to buy a replacement ICU for about half the price of the fork. This is an issue the manufacturers do not seem to be stepping to the plate to warranty or address.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark I have never had a single crown fork from RS or Fox last more than 2 years here in Santa Barbara without creaking. On my last 36, I even cracked two Grip2 dampener tubes over 6 months. I think Fox and RS need to test their CSU's in places with smaller high-frequency square-edge bumps like we have here in SB. My son and I try to go to Squamish/Whistler every summer, but there, the big slab type bumps don't produce the almost harmonic convergence that tries to rip the stanchions out of the crown. I upgraded 6 months ago to a 38 and it's been creak-free and awesome but I am keeping the travel at 160 to try and decrease the leverage on the CSU. I'd love to send you a slow-motion of what one of our bumpy trails does to a single crown fork.
  • 2 1
 This is turning into a weird obsession ? .... I've owned four Fox 36 between 2016-2020 and one of them creaked... badly, the 2019 Factory fork. The 2016 I still have and it's just fine. This is all a little anecdotal no?
  • 4 0
 Each of us individually is anecdotal. But when enough of the population at large votes and gets their info in the poll, it becomes real, usable data.
  • 1 1
 @intensemack10: Eh, I suppose. They ask how many have, how many have not then what brand... it's muddled. Were they all the same brand? Which ones creaked which did not? How long were they ridden? What is this data usable for? .... CSU's creak more than we like or should expect. Probably shouldn't happen very often.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark it would be interesting to have a third poll, with model breakdown. Wheel size breakdown. Kashima breakdown.
  • 2 1
 @DARKSTAR63: Yeah this poll doesn't really tell anyone anything. It's too all over the place- no correlating brand or model to creaking, 10+ as a category makes % calculations basically guesses. and too open-ended time wise (does a fork that creaked in 2000 matter today? Not really, but it'd be counted in this poll).

It's just polling for the sake of it at this point, you can barely draw real conclusions, if any, other than "half the people out there have never had this issue". 21 people have had more than 10 creaking forks? Really?! Did they have 10 of the same creaking fork, or 10 different ones? Is it environmental? Is it the rider? You can't glean anything!
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 @phobospwns: Putting the two polls together you find that
for ownership: 12% more riders have owned Rock Shox than Fox
for creaks: 45% more riders have creaks with Fox compared to Rock Shox
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 Where did the status review go?
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 It’s all part of their weird and mysterious release/marketing of it.
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 @Wildeman21: I think it is more about Pinkbike not knowing which bike they reviewed Big Grin
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 @malca: minimalistic frame desing and its effects Big Grin but man it looks like nobody even checked the fork travel
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 All of them have done it over the many years of riding. Just bought a Zeb for both my bikes. We will see if this one does it or not. The Lyrik did it on my e-bike in less than 3 months.
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 You need to correlate the data with where people ride. Here in BC, I know very few people who HAVEN’T had a creaky CSU.
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 Fox has always ignore BC statistics. We are mostly ALL of the failed CSU's, but It's a measly 3% of total global sales and they don't give a f*ck. Warranty once maybe twice, three, then you pay $650. Or buy the newest 36 /38. It's carefully planned marketing.
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 Reading the comments I think it pretty much comes down to that. Whoever's questioning whether this is a real problem clearly hasn't seen many BC forks Smile
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 @dirtdoctor: I just bought a Suntour
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 Been a full time bike mechanic for years now and I haven't had a customer bring in a creaking fork crown yet. I'm sure it must happen from time to time, but it sure as hell ain't common. Headset creaks are common as dirt...
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 'It wouldn't be viable for brands to continue making product if they had a 45% failure rate—the after sales service costs would be unimaginably high.'
Really? Try a survey on dropper posts!
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 Creaky free for me
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 I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but 0 was not an option.
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 I clicked 1 for second answer... but its a ZERO so subtract one. from question two.
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 My EXT Era doesn't creak.
  • 3 0
 Will need to validate that over the months of July & August - please ship North.
  • 3 0
 The monster t never creaked
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 My wife and my sofa do creak as well since............... yesterday.
Is it because of your stupid/useful yet obsessive/objective article about creaking suspended things?
Merci beaucoup for your answer.
  • 1 0
 1 out of 5 of the shorter travel 26" wheel forks I've owned creaked.
All 6 of the long travel 27.5" wheel forks that have been on my bikes have creaked.
  • 1 0
 Sorry my answers between the 2 polls are inconsistent. I had forgotten that around 2012,2013??? I had a Fox that creaked. It was resolved seamlessly and I forgot about it.
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 My 92 Manitous didn't creak, but im not sure they did a whole lot of anything to be honest.
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 A good example of when a survey inadvertently creates a result just by wording the question a certain way. Good follow up I think @brianpark !
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 My biggest forks (2 of 8 were Fox) have been 140s and I weigh 160 so not surprised none have creaked, however, I have broken two frames so I'm not that gentle.
  • 4 1
 If your steerer doesn't creak you're slow. Sorry.
  • 2 0
 Ironically my Cane Creek's are the only forks I've owned in years that haven't developed a creak.
  • 1 0
 You are missing an important factor!! The travel of the fork matters methinks. All my longer travel single crowns developed creaks 170mm and above
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 Probably should have had a time frame on it "In the last 5 years"
2000's forks I owned creaked but nothing I've had in the last 5 years or so has creaked.
  • 1 0
 The right question would be: How many creak-free single crown suspension forks (with over 160mm of travel and for 29" wheel) have you owned?
  • 1 0
 People that used 36's and never had creaks are the same that uses single layer tires and never cut them: they just don't ride hard enough.
  • 1 0
 I think the only creaky forks I've hard were the old Judy's or Bombers with a bolted crown.
  • 1 0
 2004 Z1 with the bolt and crown. That's it. Thankfully so because it was not confidence inspiring on the 01 Bullit
  • 2 0
 Yeah but the beauty of those old forks was that you could remove the pipes and grease them.
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 okay pinkbike, we get it, you use this data to sell to brands for marketing but do we really need 2 of these regarding fork creaking in 1 week?
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 Yep, this is pretty weird.
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 I’m starting to think every time Pinkbike asks any question or expresses any view point....... it is due to the revenue earnings behind it Rolleyes
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 The data from these polls is free and public and I promise no fork manufacturers want to see polls about failures.
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 @brianpark: really? I would want "all the data" if manufacture of forks was my business. tup
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 @Dropthedebt: Tat would be responsible of you, that doesn't sound like a business practice Big Grin
I feel like this poll was inspired by the comments from the last one, nothing wrong with that, a lot of people there asked these questions so why not look into them instead of another sick y00tuber edit.
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 @Dropthedebt: they have their data anyway from their own warranty reports.
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 @brianpark: are we looking at a PB-led class action here? Is this the next tainted-blood scandal?
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 Not being funny but we can all see the poll results. Why would they pay for it when they can similarly get it for free? It makes sense to have another poll for the reasons stated.
By the way I've only had one creaky fork and it was a Fox 36. Rockshox, Marzocchi and Suntour I've had have never creaked.
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 @Dropthedebt: Not sure anecdotal Pinkbike poll results are "data". If you consider it data, it would be of the same quality as the Advent Calendar Entry Pool.
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 @BenPea: no, if I'm on a side it's "CSU creaking is an overblown problem". Which is why I was so surprised at the results from Friday's poll and wanted more info.
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 Well behind pinkbike on addressing this issue.
  • 1 0
 More interesting question would be which brand/model tend to start to creak often?
  • 1 0
 Today they are cross checking us, next week there will be a photo lineup with the suspected forks.
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 10+ on first and 0 on second, but the is no box to click for that.
  • 1 0
 How about a poll for loose or knocking bushings in lowers which both of my brand new 2021 Fox 36 forks have.
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 Classic fox 36! I used to have one and it felt like my headset was loose 24/7. Tried my luck with the new 38 and it’s held up this far
  • 1 0
 my old rock shox psylo still not creak...
my last 2 fork (pike ,36) creak in a year
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 At least two people have had 10 or more forks creak. OK you're doing something wrong!
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 They are doing something right They live in BC
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 @taprider: Exactly. Environment plays a huge factor in who does and does not get creak and how quickly it happens. BC and parts of Europe are the worst. You're basically riding in moist dirt most of the year. Lots of water/grit splashing where it doesn't need to be.

Speaking of which. I need to put my stinking fender on my 38 before mine starts creaking.
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 Ideally we'd only be offering data for 140mm and bigger forks. Smaller forks generally subjected to much less stress and are probably not the main culprits.
  • 1 0
 yes they are
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 I have a creek with a fork but no fork with a creak what the hell should I do Smile
  • 1 0
 Ive had a pike and my current 2018 36 with stanchion creaks. "Fixed" the 36 with the green loctite job.
  • 1 0
 Does this and the last poll have anything to do with all the Fox 38 crowns loosening problems?
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 The only fork that didn‘t creak was my Mattoc that developed massive (visible) bushing play after one month...
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 It is a thing. If you're in the UK, check out RSF Suspension, Dave is a wizard! He'll cure it without it costing the earth!
  • 1 0
 Please just tell us when to expect the class action suit against fox to happen so we can sign up for a check.
  • 1 0
 Does my rockshox mag 20 with 63mm of travel count as a single crown fork?
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 One more question: Did your fork creak or maybe it was you?
  • 1 0
 4 out of my last 5 single crown forks had a CSU creak in under a year
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 Every fork I’ve owned has had a creaky csu.
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 Who knows, I can't tell the diff between a creaking CSU and headset!
  • 1 0
 My 2005 pike uturn did okay
  • 1 0
 My creak is usually a single grain of sand in the BB.
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 Why is this such a big deal all of a sudden?
  • 1 0
 I'd guess bigger wheels an longer travel putting more stress on lighter crowns?
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 Helps when you can’t hear anyway. All my bikes r quiet n creak free Smile
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 Still think wheel size an travel should be part of the take info
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 at the time of commenting, 869 people who answered ride soft.
  • 1 0
 All my rigid forks are still solid
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 Bikes make noise, get over it.
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 Out of the 2 fox forks I’ve had, both creak(ed)
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 Zero
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 2 of 4 so far
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 Crown Creep

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