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Radon Slide Carbon 9.0 - Review

Jan 19, 2015
by Paul Aston  

Although they have been around for twenty five years, Radon is relatively unknown outside of Bonn, Germany, likely in part due to their customer-direct approach that sees them forgo the sales floor. That being said, you can collect your Radon in person at their giant 24,000 square meter mega-store if you're in the neighbourhood, and they do offer world-wide shipping if you're not hanging around Bonn anytime soon. They're clearly serious players, even if lacking pedigree in the enduro race scene - during 2014, the Radon Slide was piloted by the lesser-seen Dude of Hazzard, James Shirley, who achieved some commendable results at EWS rounds and other European events. Radon claim that with the Slide, "You are dealing with a true carbon fiber enduro bike for a wide range of uses and equipped with selected components that leave no room for desire." With this near-top of the range 9.0 version, Radon may be right: it's built with Mavic's Crossmax XL wheels, SRAM X0 shifting, and sports a versatile double chainring setup bolted to an X0 carbon crankset. Suspension-wise, it employs a travel-adjustable RockShox Pike RCT3 Dual Position fork matched to a Monarch Debonair RT3 shock. Cutting out the middle man means you get all of the above for €3599 (approximately $4485 USD), but if that's too much for you to lay out on a mountain bike, there are various models of the Slide starting in aluminum from €1599.

Slide 9.0 Details:

• Intended use: all-mountain/enduro
• Rear-wheel travel: 160mm
• Wheel size: 27.5''
• Direct front derailleur mount
• ISCG 05 chain guide tabs
• Carbon/Kevlar down tube guard
• Internal cable routing options
• SRAM GXP Press-fit BB
• 12 x 142mm axle
• Frame weight: 5.9lb / 2.7kg (w/ shock)
• Weight: 27.5lb / 12.47kg (w/o pedals)
• MSRP: €3,599/ $4485 USD

Frame Details

The unique "Petrol Blue" finish has a stunning satin effect that came to life in the Portuguese sun, and is well matched with the orange graphics and co-ordinated Race Face handlebar. The full carbon frame is up to date with industry standard features, with a tapered head tube and an internal headset, 142mm x 12mm rear end, and a SRAM GXP Press-Fit bottom bracket. Cable routing is fifty-fifty with the Reverb Stealth and front derailleur being inside the down tube and the rest taking an external route.

  The Slide may not be breaking any new ground when it comes to technology, but it's one great looking bike regardless.

The 'Conehead' tapered steerer tube and head tube junction is impressively large, and the top tube flows down to the rear axle at the same angle as the seat stays. Interestingly, Radon has the top tube staying at the same height on all sizes, with only the seat mast changing height. The Slide's suspension layout employs a Horst Link, four-bar linkage to drive the shock, with the main pivot being low and sitting just above the cranks, in-line with the granny chain ring. Details include bottle cage mounts on top of the down tube away from the mud, and there's adhesive carbon/Kevlar chain stay and down tube protection. As far as sizing goes, the XL frame has a reach of 458mm and comes spec'd with a 70mm stem.

  The seat stay arch adds stiffness to the back-end of the bike. 180mm post-mounts are in place for the Guide brakes, which makes sense considering this is a bike with 160mm of travel.

Price $4485
Travel 160mm/160mm
Rear Shock Rock Shox Monarch RT3, DebonAir, 216mm
Fork Rock Shox Pike RCT3, 2P, taper, QR15
Headset Acros integrated taper
Cassette Sram PG-1070, 10-speed, 11-36
Crankarms Sram X.O, 175mm, 2-ring, 36/22
Chainguide e*thirteen TRS+, Dual, ISCG05
Bottom Bracket Sram GXP, Pressfit
Pedals n/a
Rear Derailleur Sram X.O T2, long cage, 10-speed
Chain PC-1071, 10-speed
Front Derailleur Sram X.O, LDM
Shifter Pods Sram X.O Trigger
Handlebar Race Face Turbine, 31,8mm, 760mm, 0.5" Rise
Stem Race Face Atlas
Grips Ergon GE1 SD
Brakes Sram Guide RS with Avid Centerline, 180/180mm
Wheelset Mavic Crossmax XL 27,5", QR15/X12, 6-bolt
Hubs Mavic Crossmax XL 27,5", QR15/X12, 6-bolt
Spokes Mavic Crossmax XL 27,5"
Rim Mavic Crossmax XL 27,5"
Tires Schwalbe Hans Dampf, TrailS, TLE, Kevlar, 27.5 x 2.35", Schwalbe Hans Dampf, PaceS, TLE, Kevlar, 27.5 x 2.35"
Seat Petrol: Radon Pro lite / Black: Selle Italia Flite MG
Seatpost Rock Shox Reverb Stealth 31,6 x 420mm

Climbing / Handling

The Slide 9.0 longs for huge days in the saddle, with plenty of advantages for those grueling rides. The Dual-Position Pike, combined with the Debonair RCT3, creates a great climbing package: flick the fork into the 130mm mode and the shock into 'Min' or 'Mid', and the bike is primed for any day-long mission. Add in the steep 74.2 degree seat tube angle and you're in an aggressive position for getting some power in to the pedals and being comfortable for big climbs, along with sharp steering and very little wandering of the front wheel. The seat angle also helped keep me in a good position with my hips over the pedals, something I usually struggle with due to my lanky legs and high seat, often ending up sitting way too far over the rear wheel.

I tested the bike in Lousa, Portugal, where a portion of the climbing we were doing was on road, and the Radon flew up, facilitated by its relatively light weight. Getting off the smooth pitches and onto some technical climbs, the light weight and pedal-friendly damping settings helped to transfer plenty of power in to the back wheel. The bottom bracket height was another climbing aid, clearing rocks, stumps and steps without clipping the pedals. On rough, loose sections of ascent, traction was superb in the Mid compression mode, and even with the Debonair fully open the bike sits high when climbing in the rough, with strong anti-squat tendencies. Overall, the Slide is a great machine for a rider who likes a forgiving mid-travel bike but still wants to feel sporty on the climbs.

  The Slide powered up the climbs, making it a great machine for all-day epics.

Downhill / Technical Riding

The Slide's suspension felt well balanced when heading down, with a linear feeling at both ends that lends a predictable feel over a variety of terrain so long as it doesn't get too steep. When traveling fast over small to mid-size bumps, the suspension was super smooth, almost giving a floating-in-powder feel. Proper suspension performance is vital for these new mid-travel bikes given that riders are pushing harder and faster than ever before, and RockShox's Rapid Recovery does its part by holding the bike towards the upper end of the mid-stroke in the travel and helps to keep everything under control. That said, when getting into the big chop the Pike started to struggle a little with support and progression. I could have improved the Debonair in this regard by adding a few volume spacers, but adding in the red tokens is not an option on the Dual Position Pike, and it also could have thrown out the precise balance with the front end that I liked so much.

The 66.8 degree head angle, combined with the 70mm stem, didn't inspire aggression on steep sections compared to other bikes in the 160mm category (the Specialized Enduro has a 65.5 degree head angle, for reference sake) meaning your hands might be further over the front axle than you would like. Add in the less progressive Dual Position Air Pike, and on steep tight switchbacks this setup caused the fork to dive heavily - not a characteristic I'm looking for when negotiating precipitous Portuguese corners. The upside of this geometry and component choice was that, on tight corners with less gradient, it benefited from quick and precise handling, switching direction on a dime and the suspension giving great traction across cambers and long, flat corners. The lack of downhill prowess displayed by the Slide can also be improved with simple fixes from after-market components if you don't mind spending some extra coin: if you want to go down harder, drop in an offset bushing or maybe even a pair of -1 degree headset cups and you instantly improve your downhill performance.

  The Slide does struggle a bit in the steeps in stock form, and swapping the stock 70mm stem out for a 50mm would be our first change. Want to go even faster? Look into offset bushings or angle-adjusting headsets.

Technical Report

• The bike's shifting only needed the usual slight tweak of the cable tension after the first ride, and the Guide brakes were spot-on throughout - we experienced no overheating with the pair of 180mm Centerline rotors.

• Schwalbe's Hans Dampf tires in PaceStar/Trailstar compounds were sketchy on the loose, rocky trails we were riding. Their large volume matched with the narrow-ish 23mm internal width Crossmax XL felt quite unstable when pushing in to corners and challenging compressions. Going as low as 22/24 psi upped their grip but lost stability, and this was was improved by more pressure but with the return of an uninvited lack of traction. I changed these to some narrower, heavier and softer Michelin Wild Rock'rs, which were a more confidence inspiring choice for our trails, although harder to drag up to the trail-head.

• The 2x chainring setup was great for climbing and conserving energy in the legs, but more often than not it dropped in to the smallest ring on rough descents and it was tough to get enough pedal strokes in to get back onto the big ring. Another downside of the 2x setup was that it's noticeably noisier than the single ring systems I've become accustomed to for the majority of my riding over the last few years.

• I normally don't worry too much about grips, but I wasn't personally a fan of the Ergon G01s. The ergonomic shape fit my hands well after finding an angle which suited me, but the thin covering of hard rubber was unforgiving over the chunky plastic shape. During longer rides I suffered from some sore skin, which is rarely something I have an issue with.


Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesVorsprung Durch Teknik? Perhaps not, but for a lightweight trail shredder that can be picked to conquer some all-day, or even multi-day epics, the Radon could fit the bill, especially considering its value. For people wanting to get more aggressive on the trail, the X01 version at a similar price may be a better option with its more capable package. The 9.0 feels more like a long-travel XC bike, but with some extra reserves in the bank. If you're planning on tackling some gnarly European enduros, or enjoying yourself on plenty of shuttle days with your downhill bike riding buddies, you may find the bike out of its depth. - Paul Aston

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  • 105 8
 wow i have never even heard of this company. how did they slide under the radon like that?
  • 115 5
 Probably obscured by a huge Canyon.
  • 9 3
 Radon is ''in house'' brand of H&S Bike Discount web shop. www.bike-discount.de/en
  • 10 26
flag carfreak2000 (Jan 19, 2015 at 1:35) (Below Threshold)
 I heard that it's quite a Trek over that...
  • 4 17
flag MatthewCarpenter (Jan 19, 2015 at 2:02) (Below Threshold)
 I've radon some older models of that brand, but the Slide could be the first one turning heads.
  • 14 2
 Another reason YT is good for cancer caused by excessive radon exposure. Green T is the best.
  • 19 14
 Probably get neg propd, but they do make very nice 29ers! Wink

  • 3 26
flag jj130 (Jan 19, 2015 at 3:28) (Below Threshold)
 My radon tells me that a Following of this particular bike is ready to do an Uprising.
  • 8 12
flag mackster23 FL (Jan 19, 2015 at 4:27) (Below Threshold)
 I radon pinkbike that this bike is out of its depth on gnarlier stuff.
  • 13 2
 [Insert Radon pun] These trails look like a dream to ride.
  • 5 7
 Looks like a slash, Ha! I started a new trend!
  • 2 6
flag lukachadwick (Jan 19, 2015 at 11:00) (Below Threshold)
 ^^too right but I'm not sure about the trail in the first two. Looks a bit like that fake stuff made for road bikes.
  • 6 8
 Usually these pun comments Slide right by, but for some reason this one's gotten Radon my nerves.
  • 5 7
 I think that pun is dead now...y'all done?
  • 1 6
flag orastreet1 (Jan 19, 2015 at 12:16) (Below Threshold)
 I think this bike is a raid-on the Big Three!
  • 5 5
 The list of all these replies is pretty Giant
  • 2 4
 This crowd is Fox smart. The puns just keep coming around. I guess you're not an Avid fan of these jokes.....
  • 29 0
 That was the crappiest pun chain to ever exist on pinkbike
  • 2 6
flag EastCoastDHer (Jan 20, 2015 at 5:40) (Below Threshold)
 It's going downhill fast. I'd say like an Avalanche.
  • 2 0
 were those pic's all taken with a iphone?
  • 38 4
 An affordable bike reviewed by Pinkbike? Am i dreaming??
  • 11 26
flag michaelreece18 (Jan 19, 2015 at 0:26) (Below Threshold)
 $4,485 is affordable to you?
  • 7 7
 it could be the affordable if they reviewed the lower cost model.. this review still pointless for a lot of people nice and shiny but freakin expensive
  • 20 2
 Carbon frame , lightweight bike , Pike RCT3 Dual Position , Debonair RT3 shock , Crossmax XL wheels , SRAM X0 shifting /X0 carbon crankset , Reverb Stealth seatpost , Guide brakes . Add a good averall geometry to all these , I would say not super affordable but a good price indeed .
  • 17 0
 it certainly feels more affordable than the specialized enduro anyway.
  • 5 5
 the price is nice no doubt about it.. Smile But still not the price point what most of us need. I think for Euro pinkbikers the 2000€ price point maybe the top is 3000€, in dollars maybe from 2000-3500..
  • 29 4
 $4485 isn't affordable??? Are you kidding? You're getting a Pike with a Monarch and XO on a carbon frame, as compared to a comparable spec'd *insert brand here*, the Radon is $2-3K cheaper....Sometimes you guys want whine (yes, that was on purpose) at a water prices....it will never happen. This bike could be $1500 and then everybody would be complaining about why the price is too low.
  • 14 3
 affordable is such a relative term it should never be used here.
  • 7 0
 Looks like good value, X0 with crossmax, carbon and pike for 4500, you wouldn't get that from specialized, santa cruz or even rocky over here. Maybe an XT equipped altitude.
  • 2 0
 value is much better way to go, and yea I totally agree. This is a killer price for what you get.
  • 10 0
 No, its not affordable, especially in Hungary. If you are not a politician, gangster, or a tax cheater in this country you can earn about 300 euros per month, for working 12 hours every day in a week. Think about it. Smile Everybody crying about the prices. Come here to live, and try to buy it without starving for a year. Big Grin
  • 3 0
 @Psyhostar I agree with you, here in Greece it is kinda the same . But I cannot deny that it is a good price , especially when compared to other offers from well-known companies Smile
  • 2 0
 @fla3h Whats the salary for a teacher in Greece?
  • 9 0
 So, in Hungary, how much is an XO equipped Cannondale? Santa Cruz? Trek? It's in the millions...like 3+ million So to be able to get a bike for 1 million puts things into a better perspective. That's TWO MILLION less.

Like Darkstar said, it's relative. In the Philippines, everybody in my family there thinks I'm super rich because 1 US dollar is 45 Pesos. But that's not MY FAULT I live in an economy where my currency is stronger than yours/theirs. Hell, by that logic, ALL the people in the UK are RICH because when I go there I can barely afford to eat and go out. It's just the way the world works.

Don't rag on the corporation's pricing (which is far lower than everybody elses) because of your country's economy. $4500 for that much on a carbon bike is a GREAT deal and compared to other brands, it's definitely MORE affordable.
  • 2 0
 Similar to my ex wife...
  • 1 0
 @MendelMu What that has to do with everything ? Around 400-600 I think like everybody else's give or take .... Well as I said it's a good price component-building-wise contrary to some other brand's offers Smile Relax
  • 1 0
 @fla3h Nothing, its a personal thing(non bike related) and I thought U might know cause you're from Greece. Ouch, the prices of food etc is pretty high over there too.
  • 1 0
 and certainly comments about how a 3k euro bike is affordable dont help the situation. the companies move production to cheap countries and make huge profits while we are thankful to pay for their overpriced stuff. this bike's drivetrain is sold more than a japanese motorbike's transmission
  • 1 0
 The companies that profit most are the component companies. I've seen the price lists at a manufacturer level (i.e. what SRAM charges Trek, or what Shimano charges Cannondale), and it's not as profitable as you may think...actually, there's hardly at any room at all. The bike manufacturers make their money on their own products, and even at the mass scale, it's not THAT much. You guys act like it only cost the company $50 to make that Radon bike overseas. After manufacturing costs, shipping and taxes, they're barely making any money.

That being said, I know Trek makes a KILLING on their products when they can afford to DEEPLY discount to their employees. The differences in the 4 pricing levels from Trek retail, to wholesale, to EP, to Trek employee pricing is absolutely MASSIVE. That company is just raking in cash. The smaller one's, mostly from the fact they don't get quantity discounts, is going to be nowhere near as profitable as you think.
  • 1 0
 What annoys me is,think about it,everyone now is outsourcing their products but they become pricier and pricier and end up more expensive than when they were local. this capitalist cartel has began sickening me and i have created antibodies to anything coming from "cheap" countries. there are jobless idiots today who buy phones with 80% clear profit to the manufacturer and they feel nice about it. is this the ideal corporate model? everybody make some money by outsourcing to asia? and then the whole country is in debt to asia? and if you dont make much profit you close everything swiftly and ok. but the investors got rich...
shouldn't the bike industry be more sincere? are we bike people idiots?
  • 2 1
 No....but the upfront costs of building a bicycle are insane, especially if you're talking carbon fiber. The cost of a quality carbon fiber mold is upwards of $100K and you need like 6 of those (XS, S, M, L, XL, XXL.) If you go cheaper with AL, everybody wants hydro-formed stuff, which is also expensive. Steel? Well, you have to get creative (read: jack up the price so it's "boutique") and welding equipment isn't cheap either...Titanium is pricey just for the tubing, let alone the rest of the equipment to actually assemble/fabricate.

It's rare today for people to go into business because they enjoy it. Everybody wants to become rich. The way to get rich? The largest profit margin possible, which means outsourcing or charging a massive premium for it being made "In the *insert your local country here*" If you want high quality locally made parts, you're going to pay for it.

This doesn't stop in the bicycle industry either. Buying local fruits, veggies, and meat is often 1.5-2 times the price of big box prices. It's arguably better...but you're also paying for it.
  • 1 0
 Plastics and the shipping industry are to blame for the price of quality carbon. The shipping industry prices all plastics based on density. Most plastics and related parts are National Motor Freight Classification item # 156600. Plastics cost more to ship than most other items due to the plain and simple fact they take up considerable space for their weight, are fragile, can seldom be stacked. Items of particular value may also be rated and charged by shippers depending on the items individual classification.

Buying local always costs more monetarily but always is worthwhile. People just need to be more educated. Thankfully with the food industry more consumers are educating themselves on where their dollars go and to what causes and end results. It's just a matter of time before we as humans apply the same intelligent mindsets to more and more aspects of our lives. Growing up I never would have spent more than $3.50 on one dozen eggs at the grocery market. Now here I am as a young Farmer charging $8.00 for one dozen. And I have no problem with that price because I've educated myself on the processes behind it and I understand that real, healthy food is something priceless not every human being is lucky enough to experience.
  • 32 3
 That's bullshit! Since when is 23mm internal width rim considered as narrow?
I don't think Sam Hill is complaining about Magic Mary pulling off his 21mm internal width Mavic Deemax Ultimate!
And one more thing, that's one great bike. Not everybody want's slacker-lower-longer.
  • 6 1
 this bike is off the hook. I actually want one after reading the specs and viewing the frame. The price is also sweet considering there's a $1,000.00 killer wheelset and other noteworthy parts like PIKE and a nice drivetrain.
Do they sell em in Canada?
  • 15 0
 a really well written review almost devoid of the usual cliche terms?! bike-discount.de are absolutely disgusting on prices for these too...
  • 3 0
 Bike Discount are the Radon brand owners. Got a road bike from them!
  • 16 0
 Wheel size: 27.5
Weight: 27.5

Those Germans and their precision.
  • 1 2
 Poor insight
  • 2 0
 exactely, seems to have everything sorted out what the review complained about, apart from the geo maybe... an still amazingly light!
  • 2 1
 They should have done the top model with SRAM/RS instead of the Shimano/Fox build. Would have made more sense and one hell of a bike for the money!
  • 1 0
 omg! that is sooo affordable. makes me regret getting a Ghost AMR 6559 a couple of months back. but then again, i wasn't looking for something this slack. this will definitely be my next bike brand not unless YT comes charging into canada and offers something cheaper.
  • 8 0
 Wow. What a price for carbon with a pike and a debonair, all with those maxxis wheels. I wish I'd known about this company sooner.
  • 4 0
 yeah pinkbike, why now? more of these affordable bike brands please!
  • 8 0
 Crazy that in 2015 23mm internal rims are now "narrowish", especially considering Mavic was still doing 21mm internals on Trail/AM rims until the other day.
  • 8 0
 I'm beginning to wonder if Pinkbike's dog ate their review of the Yeti 6c...
  • 4 0
 I've just bought one of these frames ( with monarch plus damper ) and am agonising over what fork to put in , my head says pike solo air , but my heart is pulling me towards one of the new a fox 36 170s ( with an axle to crown height of just 7mm more than the pike ) ..... someone tell me what to do :-)

BTW, I've read from a radon engineer the HTA is 66.4 with the fully extended pike , the quoted 66.8 is with the shortest a2c possible..
  • 6 3
 Go for the Fox Smile
  • 3 12
flag hermichut (Jan 19, 2015 at 3:37) (Below Threshold)
 for reasons I can't quite put my finger on marzocchis just don't score on the aesthetic for me....
  • 6 2
  • 2 6
flag hermichut (Jan 19, 2015 at 4:14) (Below Threshold)
 Now that's a fork I wouldn't have thought of......

I can't help thinking , if it was good enough to push both the pike / 36 out of the way I would have heard more about it.
  • 4 2
 Mattoc, 36, 350 blows pike out of the water according to all that have used the new gen forks. Search on the forums.
  • 5 2
 BOS Deville is superb as well
  • 2 0
 mattoc or 36
  • 2 1
 I think it's going to be the 36 ...... I have the tools to service and some spares ( assuming the seals haven't changed... )
  • 2 2
 Revelation World Cup. Until you've ridden one, you will not believe at how much of a difference that carbon crown makes in terms of tracking, stability and overall stiffness. I'm not even sure why it shares the same name as a regular Revelation which is pretty flexy and not as smooth. The world cup is butter. Looks pretty tits too.
  • 2 0
 I've ridden a "normal" Revelation with 150mm
I was surprised by the smooth performance and the stiffness
  • 1 0
 It's still smooth, but it's not as stiff as a World Cup. That one-piece carbon crown did a whole lot for that fork. Actually, all of the WC forks are quite a bit stiffer than their non-WC counterparts. I would have never known it would have been that much of a difference had I not gotten the one I had at a ridiculously good deal. I thought it was more flashy than anything...but no, it's huge. That carbon crown really works.
  • 1 1
 Mattoc is best
  • 5 0
 Great to see a Radon on Pinkbike!
Perhaps you could to a review of the Swoop 175 (e.g. the Swoop 175 7.0 Expert), too? Think a lot of readers would like that bike even more!
  • 2 0
 yea also the swoop 190 9.0 is a real good bike, a friend of mine has one and it's amazing! also a german magazine called FREERIDE magazin did a back to back comparison between this and the new GT downhill bike, the radon came out on top!
  • 6 0
 lol it's called "Vorsprung durch Technik" c'mon guys you could have googled that!
  • 3 0
 This got my attention "Schwalbe's Hans Dampf tires in PaceStar/Trailstar compounds were sketchy on the loose, rocky trails we were riding. Their large volume matched with the narrow-ish 23mm internal width Crossmax XL felt quite unstable when pushing in to corners and challenging compressions". I don't care if the HD is great or awful, but it's gotten a ton of love in other PB reviews (on similarly "narrow" rims). This makes me think PB reviews depend more on the reviewer than on the product being tested.
  • 2 0
 I also think it's in peoples heads sometimes. 23mm is actually not all that narrow. A Stan's Flow EX is 25.5mm, replacing the old version at 22.6. I don't recall people falling over with 2.35 tires a year or two ago... strange. The DeeMax Ultimate is at 23mm as well, been carrying 2.5's like that for years.
  • 6 2
 "the top tube flows down to the rear axle at the same angle as the chain stay."

"The chain stay arch adds stiffness to the back-end of the bike."

*seat stay
  • 2 0
 Bought the alloy framed version of this bike a couple of monthas ago. Amazing value for money at only £2200 GBP for Pike Dual Position, Monarch RT3+, Reverb Stealth, X0 Cranks, Guide RS brakes, Mavic wheels, Hans Dampfs etc etc.... Only had a few days on it so far but its superb and unique.
  • 1 0
 Yes they Send North-America. Canada is their list last time i check. This looks nice. Radon Carbon 10 with new 11-speed XTR groupset.
Nice 27 lbs beast to 4300 us dollars

Shop deal also Cube ,another german sweetprice brand. Stereo doing pretty good with hands of Nico Lau.

I stupido look opposite direction and try to save some money to Yeti sb5. Euro,s don,t know how to build mountainbikes.
  • 1 0
 Yes they Send North-America. Canada is their list last time i check. This looks nice. Radon Carbon 10 with new 11-speed XTR groupset. Nice 27 lbs beast to 4300 us dollars www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/radon-slide-carbon-27.5-10.0-239804/wg_id-6666 Shop deal also Cube ,another german sweetprice brand. Stereo doing pretty good with hands of Nico Lau. I stupido look opposite direction and try to save some money to Yeti sb5. Euro,s don,t know how to build mountainbikes.
  • 1 0
 Does anyone else have a similar experience with Schwalbe Hans Dampfs on moderately wide rims? I just bought a set and plan to mount them to 23mm internal width rims. Would hate to have to experience the same struggles as the reviewer.
  • 2 0
 while I havn't used hans dampfs, I have ridden Schwalbe 2.4 tires (Nobby Nic and Big Betty) on a 19,5mm sunn equalizer rim for a long time without any problems, I did run them with tubes though.
  • 1 0
 "Great value" is certainly preferable to "affordable", as the latter is pretty subjective.

That being said, you'd never find a complete bike with this build stateside for less than $6000.00. It's a damn sexy bike and pretty much dialed with all top shelf parts, with the exception of the cockpit tweaks needed to improve the downs.

Definitely gonna make a lot of customers happy.
  • 9 9
 I still don't get why bike companies still insist on putting long stems on their bikes. On a bike like this 50mm should be the absolute max. I run a 35mm stem and world never go back. If you need a long stem on a bike like this then the bike is to small for you.
  • 6 2
 70mm seems very reasonable to me - not too short, not too long. Choosing the stem length is personal, just like with the bars width, but in my opinion it is also related to a type of riding. You don't really want to go with long stem for 4X or DH (high speed) but you may find it perfectly suitable on XC bike where your position is more stretched. Longer stem obviously gives different handlebar path and better turning at slow speed IMO.
  • 7 0
 I love that 70mm has become a 'long' stem. Times they are a changing.
  • 4 10
flag adamconradx (Jan 19, 2015 at 2:28) (Below Threshold)
 i have a 780 bar with a 110 mm stem on my xc bike... its ok
  • 2 0
 I always run a short stem for all types of riding. There is no need for long stems anymore especially with bikes coming with long top tubes these days. HutchJR give a 50mm stem a try with your set up I'm sure your handling would be improved greatly.
  • 11 1
 It comes down to fit and function not fashion. Nothing wrong with running a 70mm stem, especially on an XL size bike.
  • 2 0
 Never said anything about fashion. It's purely function. Every review you read that has a trail bike with a stem overt 50mm has comments like "it would benefit from a shorter stem" unless it's a pure xc race rig there is no need. Look at Mondraker with their forward geo you get a 10 or 35 mm stem with that.
  • 4 1
 My (perhaps warped) understanding is that a 70mm on an XL , is l ike a 50mm on an M ????? or does one stem length suit all frame sizes.............
  • 1 0
 You can have a large frame with a short stem. The idea is that you have plenty of room but have the faster steering for better and more confident DH control. Saying that a lot of modern medium frames are now starting to have longer front triangles on them.
  • 1 1
 @Matt76 I never use it (its in a different country haha) but i got the bar for free so i just put it on for fun instead of a 620 bar ahah, i dont really care about the handling on it really as i havnt touched it for a year or so Wink
  • 6 0
 PB always liked shorter stems, even before top-tubes were longer. Go back and look at the older reviews. If you're not doing shuttle runs all day, nothing wrong with a longer stem for quicker steering. Quit buying everything here as gospel, go by what works for you.
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 Err. I think you'll find a shorter stem makes for quicker steering and puts you further over the back of the bike on the down hills for much better handing. Long stems are mega out of date now. Have been for a long time. But like skinny bars, 74° head angles and cantilever brakes.
  • 2 0
 Please, 70mm is too long like a 23mm rim is too narrow. And the Enduro they've been citing as a comparison was, and I quote, "a treat" on the descents, with a 70mm stem. You don't it's more geometry vs. stem length, do you? No, can't be that.
  • 1 0
 Well instead of a treat it would have been mega with a 35mm stem. Go try one!
  • 5 1
 Is it just me or are all these reviews starting to sound the same?
  • 6 1
 well, the bikes are starting to look the same......... ( and that's a good thing I think).
  • 1 1
 It sounded like he was trying to be nice. Spent most of the time talking components because he didn't seem to have much to say about the bike!
  • 2 0
 Been riding a Radon Swoop downhill bike for a year and love it. Great build quality on the frame and excellent customer service.
  • 2 0
 read this regarding top tube length. reach. stem length. www.transitionbikes.com/PDF/GETDIALED_FrameGeo_Part1_ETTvsReach.pdf
  • 2 1
 Ha! I have had the same experience with my set-up of Hans Dampf and Roam 50 wheels, tubeless, 20/23 PSI: unstable and non-supportive when pushed in corners. Moved on up for this season: 40 mm Nexties are being built!
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 Perhaps more pressure would help.
  • 1 0
 Schwalbe tires tend to be very sensitive to pressure, as above, a bit more would have likely remedied your issues. I run a 2.35 HD on a 21mm ID rim and have no issues with it. I tend to run from 26 to 30 PSI in them tubeless. Fantastic grip and support. Before you make another big purchase, maybe try a bit more pressure, may fix your issue.
  • 1 1
 I have tried higher pressure as well, and apart from hard cornering 20/23 PSI seems to be the sweetspot for my weight and riding style. Sold off my Roam 50 wheel set, which paid for the new set: Hope pro EVO s on sale and Nexties 35 mm ID. Curious to check out for myself if its just a hype...or major difference.
  • 1 1
 If anyone is after some Offset Bushings - check out www.offsetbushings.com I run the company and we have thousands of happy customers all over the world who are enjoying them. We offer the best value, bespoke made shock hardware about and ship world wide!
  • 2 1
 Just a heads-up , offset bushings sadly won't work with the slide as the seat stays will impact the seat tube. :-(

Here's a quote from a Radon Engineer..

"Ex. Buchsen gehen nicht kann die Sitzstrebe ab Sitzrohr anschlagen daher nicht möglich"

  • 2 0
 That's a shame! It's also the first report of seat tube contact that we've had from any bike thus far (3 years down the line).

  • 3 0
 I guess it's because of the prominent seat stay bridge......
  • 1 0
 Yes, very true indeed!
  • 5 3
 Apart from the bitch ring and front mech, that looks like a very nice, well priced machine.
  • 3 0
 Really nice bike and well priced!

What about the trip to Portugal Wink
  • 6 3
 Steep, cheap. Looks like a gate.
  • 4 1
 Biased review. Mojo HD3 66.6 HA. Enough said. Looks like a great bike!
  • 3 0
 Love the savings, but why god why, a press fit bb?
  • 1 0
 Could it be because it's carbon? Are nearly all carbon frames press fit bb? Just thought I read that somewhere. I'm sure someone on here will set me right
  • 1 0
 I believe all or at least most carbon Santa Cruz frames have a threaded bb.
  • 1 0
 Well thought out trail bike. Put a longer travel fork up front if you want to improve DH performance. If i wanted a bike for long distance exploring this would be great!
  • 1 0
 Finally a light, capable bike for under $5000! Funny how a small company like this seems to know more about what we need rather than the bigger companies around...
  • 1 0
 They don't ship worldwide; I checked with them and Canada / USA are not on their list. www.bike-discount.de/fr/info/delivery-15
  • 3 0
 Lousã trails, not Lousa.
That´s a different place in Portugal.
  • 5 4
 Climbs great, descends badly, not the correct criteria for an Enduro bike then. Looks great though.
  • 37 1
 If some people who are currently buying all these super slack Enduros for all the gnar they only ride in their dreams were a little more honest with themselves, this would probably be a great bike for them. Doesn't descend badly according to the review, just not as biased towards downhill as is en vogue at the moment. But yeah, 70mm stems on 160mm rigs don't make a whole lot of sense no matter what.
  • 20 0
 "Descends badly" on the basis the tester didn't like the tyres, reckons 1 degree on the HTA makes all the difference (?) and could do with fitting a 20mm shorter stem and an extra bottomless token or two in the Pike.... sounds like a lot but nothing there is an expensive change and I'd much rather see testers make the changes to get a bike riding as per their personal preferences rather than write it off entirely in one big aspect of the ride like descending which is potentially a bit misleading for those reading a review.
  • 2 0
 You're not wrong , me included !
  • 5 1
 I don't really get the purpose of this bike. Surely, if you're going to go for a 160mm, it's because you'll be focusing on the downhill sections and good climbing would be just a bonus... so why make a 160mm that does so so on the downs but climbs well? If that's what I was looking for I'd buy a 120mm-140mm ish bike.

I found the spesh enduro sluggish on the way up but nearly DH like on the downs and I can't fault it for that because that's what it was meant for. If I rode a 160mm that didn't do all that great on the downs, I'd be very disappointed even if it climbed way beyond all expectations.

Kudos to them for doing a 160mm that climbs great though, if they can tweak its downhill performance, it could be the beast a lot of riders are looking for. Also, that paint color/texture and the frame itself looks amazing.

Extra 3 for the pricing too.

P.S. If it climbs so well, why not go for a single chainring???
  • 2 3
 Can't token a dual position pike. If it's blowing through its travel to much for ya it's new fork time or send it away. Solo pikes are the best ones
  • 2 0
 It's not a new fork, you can easily convert the duel air to a solo air
  • 5 0
 Is downhill capability only a matter of head angle ? I doubt, the Radon has 66.8° versus the Xprezo Had Hoc previously review here in Pb as a great downhiller which is 66.6°. It would have been great to have more numbers (a little chart with the differents sizing) on the Radon to see if a 50mm stem and a solo air cartrige are enough to make this bike better at downhill.
  • 5 0

Don't judge by just one PB review. In some of the german bike mags this bike has won against it's competitors. Of course one should consider those ratings with care but overall I doubt that it descends bad.
  • 17 4
 What if, what if, what if... someone wants a bike to ride all day, outside of fireroads - as much as he can, set off for a 5 hour ridge ride, including climb to the ridge itself, where quite naturally it is the ups that make the ride, while descents become mandatory? You know, where someone finds stoke in being challenged by lengths of rides, being high up there, not nailing corners? I know one thing, I would never ever buy a Nomad, Capra or Enduro 29 if I was to ride for longer time on something else than a fireroad... and even if I would, it would have some sort of travel adjustable fork. Let's be honest, those new big balls bikes climb best on a back of a horse. They suck on uphills. Just because people are so stuck with comparisons between Enduro and Nomad does not mean that Enduro cannot be compared to Epic. Like a parapelgic lap dancer - they can do it - just not as well as the other ones!
  • 6 5
 Waki, as much as i like reading your comments, thats bollox,i was out for 6 hours yesterday, i climbed 3000', 500' of which was fireroad, it was on a Capra, at my stage in life it climbs fckin well, and it goes downhill alot faster than i can cope with.
  • 7 1
 Waki does have a point. To a certain extent these big bikes are overkill for most customers actually buying them for what they end up riding and someone buying the Radon as a bike for climbing would most likely be disappointed despite what the review suggests. I do also agree that bike reviews need more perspective and greater comparisons. As a side not, sorry pigman but 3000ft in 6 hours is a flat ride. Thats 500ft climbing an hour. Even in technical, muddy terrain a 500ft climb can be covered in what 10-15 minutes max, 6-8 minutes on the fireroad, so that is a lot of the ride riding the flats or short descents and very little actually spent climbing (assuming a bike that actually climbs well of course). It doesn't really support the argument of big bikes being for big climbs, although I'm sure the Capra does what it supposed to do very well...
  • 1 0
 Maverick suspension modifies/sells dpa pike tokens. I'm running two.
  • 7 0
 This is why i went for the remedy. No 160+ bike was going to climb as well, and yet the 140 remedy reviews raved about how it goes down, which i can confirm. I beat my previous times on all but the most aggressive trails (which I haven't been able to ride because of snow).
People looking at the nomad should really think about the bronson or even 5010. People looking at the enduro should consider a stumpy.
  • 1 1
 Seams madness to replace the fork internals for what is technically a downgrade. Shame I could do with the dual position but I run 2 tokens in my solo and wouldn't want to lose that setting/feel it be like going back to Fox's.
  • 1 0
 Fak it...they're as good as the next bike..ask your legs and lungs instead if they are up to the task..i would gladly accept any bike with a 160mm travel and a 66 or 67 ht angle.
  • 3 0
 If all it was was fitness I'd agree, but it effects how steep the trail has to be before the fun starts too. I can accelerate faster, jump off smaller bumps, and pull up the front easier, all at the cost of some confidence on the gnarliest of trails. I would get a nomad, after I had my trail and dh sorted. For now though, my one bike quiver consists of a little less travel.
  • 3 0
 I have a Demo 8 for downhill purpose and honestly, unless I'm riding the gnarliest of the gnar around here, I find my 145mm dixon with a 160mm F36 up front outperforming the demo on just about any trail. it's 10pounds lighter so more flickable, accelerates insanely faster, better suspension support overall. I used to love my Demo 8 to death and now I feel like it's nothing but a heavy and slow cow compared to my smaller rig and the lil bike can take just about anything I've thrown at it so far. Like waki said on some other thread, if people were honest with their skill level and the trails they ride, most of them would pick smaller bikes. Which brings us to the Radon. It's 160mm. At that size, it better be a damn good descender because no amount of good climbing will save it as there are plenty of smaller bikes that do incredibly well on the downs while being also great at the ups and plenty of 160mm bikes already that descend extremely well.
  • 4 0
 Gasp! Knocking the longer travel models?? You're likely to get banned for life!
  • 1 0
 Yeah I agree it ain't much but it was treacherous !
  • 1 0
 Yeah sorry, I forgot that pinkbike now use their editorials to publicly shame people who disagree them!
  • 1 0
 Did pb just become "the man"?
  • 1 0
 I own the previous year model in sexy red and I cannot say that it descends badly. In fact it's the best suspension I have ever ridden...
  • 2 1
 I just saw this bike in person in my friends workshop it is THE best looking bike that has EVER been designed in Germany, and one of the nicest in the whole wide world. The only German bike that can compare is Capra. I am stunned. And yes, I say it with my stuck up artistic nose, tight designerish arse full of snobbish farts. Everything on that bike looks thought through. Fantastisch!!!
  • 4 3
 I'm enlightened by the sweet colour of the frame. My winner of the last year or more. Applause for the designer.
  • 2 0
 Good lookin' bike that's for sure. Decent review, too.
  • 1 0
 According to the website bike-discount.de they don't ship to North America...
  • 2 0
 There site says they don't ship to the U.S. Frown
  • 1 0
 That's a bummer looks like an awesome deal
  • 1 0
 Great bike all things considered, I almost got a Radon but ended up going for a Giant Reign
  • 1 0
 so when I change the stem for shorter it will fix the issue with descending? Or I did not get the point? Thanks
  • 1 0
 I think it's called "Vorsprung durch Technik" Wink . Great read though!
  • 3 2
 Looks just like the felt compulsion.
  • 5 0
 I think your mom felt compulsion
  • 3 0
 They should send you a tshirt that says that with the bike they would sell a lot more bikes
  • 1 0
 Anyone else see this and immediately think of BMS
  • 1 0
 Nice spot
  • 1 0
 Those trails look sweet!
  • 2 2
 #Enduro !!
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