Radon Swoop 170 9.0 1x11 - Review

Nov 7, 2016
by Vernon Felton  




What exactly constitutes a “super enduro” bike? While I've done my fair share of smirking at the terminology Radon uses to describe this bike, I have to admit, the direct-to-consumer brand from Germany has made one hell of a rowdy, downhill-loving bike. Long, low, slack… all the trendy adjectives apply here. Radon’s 170-millimeter (6.7-inch) travel machine is a decidedly contemporary bike, decked out in smartly-chosen components. While these things could be said about a number of bikes out there, the Swoop 170 also packs a surprise: it's price.

Radon Swoop 170 9.0 1x11 Details

• Intended use: enduro
• Wheel size: 27.5
• Front suspension: Rock Shox Lyrik RCT3
• Rear suspension: Rock Shox Vivid Air R2C
• Head angle: 64.8°-65.8°
• Aluminum front and rear triangles
• Sizes: 16, 18, 20 and 22-inch
• Weight: 31.86 pounds (14.45 kg)
• MSRP: €2,399
www.radon-bikes.de / @RADON-BIKES

Per Radon’s site, this model is currently selling for €2,399.00. In other words, the Swoop 170 9.0 1x11 would sell for $2,630 US dollars/ $3,529 Canadian dollars. Note my use of the word “would”—I’m using it for a reason. The Swoop 170 is not available in North America at this time, which is a pity, because no matter what currency we’re talking about, this thing is a raging deal. There were originally five Swoop 170 models in 2016—the two upper-tier models have already sold out, leaving this model, a 2x variation and the base-model Swoop 8.0, equipped with a more budget-oriented parts kit and a €1,999 price tag.


Testing the Swoop.
Most of the cable routing on the Swoop 170 is internal. The rear brake and Reverb Stealth dropper lines are neatly anchored along the top of the down tube.
Testing the Swoop.
Radon equips the Swoop 170 with a three-position Flip Chip lower shock mount that lets you tweak bottom bracket-height, as well head and seat tube angles.


Frame & Suspension

While carbon is the belle of the cycling ball these days, it's hard--if not impossible, really--to knock a well-designed aluminum frame. The Radon features a mix of nicely-hydroformed aluminum tubes, all of which sport very clean welds. The cable routing is tidy; most of it is internally routed and the bit that is routed along the top of the down tube is securely anchored along the way. The Swoop has a front derailleur mount for those who love their front mechs, ISCG-05 tabs (our 1x bike is equipped with e*thirteen's minimalist TRS+ guide), a water-bottle mount (right where it belongs in the front triangle) and Boost 148 rear spacing.

There's been a veritable boom in Horst Link, rear-suspension designs in the United States since Specialized's suspension patent expired a few years ago. The Big Red S's Horst Link patents, however, never extended to Europe, which is why the design has always flourished on the Continent. Radon makes good use of the basic four-bar suspension system and pairs it with a vertically-mounted, RockShox Vivid Air RC2 rear shock. The combination gives a very deep-feeling and easily-tunable 170 millimeters (6.7 inches) of rear suspension.

Testing the Swoop.
While carbon tends to get all the limelight these days, I'm still particularly fond of a well-shaped set of aluminum pipes and the classic, raw-finish treatment.
Testing the Swoop.
Horst Leitner's chainstay pivot is alive and well on a whole lot of bikes these days. Radon pairs the four-bar Horst Link with a rocker link and vertically-mounted rear shock.

Testing the Swoop.

Geometry

Radon offers the Swoop 170 in four frame sizes—16, 18, 20 and 22-inch. Each size features a roomy cockpit. Reach on our size 20 test bike measures out at a rangy 473-millimeters (18.62 inches). Each flip-chip position changes head and seat tube angles by half a degree and bottom bracket drop by six millimeters (a quarter inch). To wit, in the most DH-friendly “Park” setting, you’re rocking a 64.8-degree head tube, 75-degree seat-tube angle and 21 millimeters of bottom bracket drop, which amounts to a 336-millimeter (13.22-inch) bottom- bracket height. On the other end of the Swoop geo spectrum, you can set the chip in the “Tour” setting, to achieve a 65.8-degree head tube, 76-degree steat tube and 349-millimeter (13.74-inch) bottom-bracket height.


Radon Swoop 170 Geometry

While I enjoyed the Park setting, I generally piloted the Swoop without the aid of either a chairlift or shuttle vehicle and, consequently, rode the bike in the middle “Trail” setting most of the time. Messing with the flip chip is simple—it only requires three tools (a small Philips-head screwdriver and three and five-millimeter hex wrenches), but it’s also not the kind of “on-the-fly” feature that you’ll likely take advantage of in the middle of a ride.


Specifications
Specifications
Release Date 2016
Price $2631
Travel 170 millimeters (6.7 inches)
Rear Shock Rock Shox Vivid Air R2C 216x63
Fork Rock Shox Lyrik 27.5" RCT3, SA, taper
Headset FSA No.10 taper
Cassette SRAM XG-1150, 11-speed, 10-42
Crankarms SRAM GX1 1400, 30T, 170mm
Chainguide e*thirteen TRS+, ISCG05
Rear Derailleur SRAM GX1 11-speed
Chain SRAM PC-X1
Front Derailleur NA
Shifter Pods SRAM GX1
Handlebar Race Face Atlas 35mm, 800mm, 20mm Rise
Stem Race Face Atlas 35
Grips Ergon GE1
Brakes SRAM Guide RS
Wheelset DT Swiss E1900 Spline Two 27.5" Boost
Tires Continental Der Baron 2.4
Seat Ergon SME30 EVO
Seatpost Rock Shox Reverb Stealth 31.6 x 420mm
Testing the Swoop.






Set-Up

I set the Lyrik at 30 percent sag and experimented with both 30 and 35 percent sag on the Vivid Air, before finally settling on 30 percent for good. As for damping on the Vivid Air, I always ran the beginning-stroke rebound in the middle of its range and took advantage of a bit more damping on the end-stroke rebound adjuster. I didn't feel like the bike squatted excessively in corners and was never compelled to max out the clicks on the compression damper--I also ran it in the middle of its range.


Testing the Swoop.

Climbing

No big surprise, the Swoop 170 does not rocket up climbs like a scalded monkey or goat (go ahead and insert whatever climbing cliche you're fond of here). And this is true even when you've maxed out the handful of clicks on the Vivid Air's low-speed compression damper. The bike weighs about 32 pounds, has a 48-inch wheelbase and, in the steepest setting possible, you're still rocking a sub-66-degree head angle... Nearly-vertical, technical singletrack climbs rife with tight switchbacks are never going to be this bike's strong suit, but you knew that already. It's hard to slag a bike that is supposed to dominate downhills for not climbing like a flyweight, XC crotch rocket. So I won't. To be fair, if you stay seated and grind it out, the Swoop 170 is more than passable when it comes to pedaling efficiency. The steep seat angle and 30-tooth chainring also help take a bit of the edge off of uglier ascents. In short, if you're all about earning your turns, it'll get you to the top--just not real quick.


Testing the Swoop.

Descending

Ridiculous. The bike is just ridiculous. And I mean that in the best possible way. Kudos go to the Lyrik and Vivid Air combination, which aptly mow through small and big hits alike. The rowdy sections of trail that I often enter a bit tensely became damn near velvety beneath the Swoop 170's wheels. In fact, the only glitch I encountered aboard the bike is that I suddenly found myself hitting stuff a lot faster than I'd intended. My ability to sense speed got a bit addled, at first, by the bike's tendency to transform trail that used to feel sketchy into trail that felt surprisingly mellow. Fortunately, when I overshot landings a bit, the bike's crazy-wide margin of error managed to save my carcass more than a few times. I took note, though--I'd need to re-evaluate what "fast" felt like, because I was suddenly, unknowingly, going a whole lot faster than I used to.

The Swoop has a very stable, planted feel to it. The long wheelbase helps here. A good choice for riders who want to hit the bike park without going full DH sled? Hell, yes. The Swoop 170 9.0 should be on the short list alongside similarly-priced Canyon Strive, Giant Reign and YT Capra models. For trail riders or all-mountain riders simply looking to up their downhill game a bit? Well, the Swoop 170 is a lot of bike and that cuts both ways. If you're coming off a more evenly-balanced, all-mountain bike with a shorter wheelbase, the Radon may strike you as a bit of a handful on tighter, singletrack downhills. This is not a bike that changes direction at your slightest whim. The very-short rear center on this bike keeps it from feeling like a tank, to be sure, but the Swoop 170 is not aimed at riders looking for the most "playful" bike possible. This thing is designed to get up to speed, easily stay there and just devour everything in its path while it's at it. If that sounds good to you, you should check it out.


Testing the Swoop.
200-mm rotors up front and 180 in the back. A seemingly small detail, but the Swoop 170 9.0 is loaded with smartly-spec'd components like this, which prove that someone at Radon knew exactly how to outfit a bike that is going to be pointed down big, steep ugly descents.
Testing the Swoop.
The RaceFace Atlas bar and stem combo are a nice touch. At 65-millimeters, the stem is a bit longer than I'd personally run (given the bike's long reach), but the 800-mm wide bars are right on the money.

Component Check

• RockShox Lyrik/Vivid Air combo: I've already mentioned it, but really, the suspension pairing here is spot-on for the application. It made me want to slap a Vivid Air on several other bikes that do not have dual-crown forks on them. The rear end felt absolutely bottomless and controlled on sections of trail that usually rattle something loose from my bowels. Did I bottom out? Sure. Did I ever feel like I bottomed out? Nope. How did Radon manage to put a $715 (USD)/€746 rear shock on a bike at this price? I'm not suggesting that €2,399 is chump change, but this is a shock you'd expect to see on gravity-oriented bikes selling for thousands more. Same holds true of the Lyrik RCT3. Both components qualify as Gucci-level spec on a bike that sells for less than what you might pay for some carbon frames alone.

• SRAM Guide RS brakes: The world is split, it seems, between those who love and those who hate SRAM brakes. I like the Guides. A lot. For me, it's all about the feel and the Guide RS's offer a brilliant balance of power and modulation. If you love the way your Shimano/Magura/Hayes/Formula brakes feel at the lever, I'm not going to argue with you about it. To each their own. It's worth noting, though, that no matter where you stand on this brake thing, the Guide RS brakes are also a hell of a lot of kit for the money.

• Continental Der Baron Tires: There is no single perfect tire for every location--true--but a bike with this much travel and capability demands a burlier, meatier tire than the Baron 2.4. The Baron is closer in size to a 2.3 and is a good trail bike tire, particularly in wetter conditions, but I'd have liked something along the lines of a Minion, Magic Mary, G5 or High Roller II. Some of my fellow editors pointed out that the DT Swiss E1900 Spline Two wheelset could also have played a role in my being less than over-the-moon about the tires' performance. Perhaps. It' s true that this particular wheelset, with its 25-millimeter internal rim width, might not offer quite the same sidewall support of a slightly wider rim. Then again, I've ridden plenty of 2.35 and 2.4-inch tires mounted on rims with similar internal dimensions and been content with the pairing. I think my dissatisfaction lies with the Baron, which is fine by me, because tires are always a quick and relatively inexpensive upgrade. Admittedly, going with a more aggressive set of rubber will add some pain to the climbing side of the equation, but you aren't buying a bike like this for the climbs.


Testing the Swoop.


Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesThese days, a lot of models get called "mini DH bikes". The Swoop 170, however, is the real deal. It's a two-fisted, downhill brawler. And then there is this: the price is outrageously good. The Swoop 170 goes toe to toe with YT and Canyon's budget-aluminum Capra and Strive models. The only downside to the Radon? Riders in Canada and the States can't get their hands on one at this point. - Vernon Felton



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About the Reviewer
Stats: Age: 44 • Height: 5'11” • Inseam: 32" • Weight: 175lb • Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
In 1988 Vernon started riding mountain bikes—mainly to avoid the people throwing cans of Budweiser at him during his road rides. At some point, roughly when Ronald Reagan was president and Hüsker Dü was still a band, he began loving mountain bikes on their own terms. Vernon Felton spends most of his time riding bikes, thinking about bikes, thinking about riding bikes and then riding some more around Bellingham, Washington. If it has a greasy chain and two wheels on it, he’s cool with it. Except for recumbents. Well, okay, maybe those too. Nah, forget it. No recumbents.





178 Comments

  • + 156
 Ha, about time bike companies stop ripping the s**t out of customers. Germany to the rescue!!
  • - 35
flag RedBurn (Nov 7, 2016 at 7:54) (Below Threshold)
 and than you got Kona trying to sell downhill bikes hahahaha
  • + 37
 @RedBurn: and then you got people still living in the past.
  • + 12
 dont forget about Commencal.
  • + 96
 With bikes like this they could have a Manon the podium pretty soon.....
  • + 22
 This is a well built pun. Kind of like a beautiful wooden chair made by a talented Carpenter.
  • + 22
 @stovechunin: Yeah that woodwork
  • + 11
 @GeeHad:

I'm pretty sure she will be Myst by her old team mates
  • + 25
 So glad to see this review. I've been riding the slide 130 10hd (140mm) 29er for the last season and had an absolute blast. Easily the most versatile bike I've ever had and it monsters things when the trail points down just like it's longer travel siblings!

The best part, the price. ~2300 Euro for fox factory front and back, great components etc.

Radon really makes some hidden gems of bikes.
  • + 14
 ^ yessir and of course the frustrating "not available in North America."
Their price point and component package is really a value it seems.
  • + 26
 Goes to show how much profit the big name bike companies are making on their not as well specced bikes that cost twice as much in some cases... Go Radon!
  • + 47
 Or it shows you what bike shops need to sell bikes for to keep the lights on...
  • + 4
 @j-t-g: This.
  • + 26
 WTF is Super enduro? Is more 10 mm of travel? Then 180 mm is Hyper enduro?
  • + 270
 Everything is enduro:

Freeride = super-enduro
DH = high-speed enduro
Trail = casual-enduro
XC = flat-enduro
Trials = urban-enduro
Enduro = enduro
  • + 42
 @bishopsmike:

One addition just to make sure I'm keeping up with the times:

BMX = mini-enduro ?
  • + 22
 Super Enduro is a moniker needed to differentiate from wanker bike companies that still have to gall to put a 34mm stanchion fork on a 68 degree head tube angle frame and call it Enduro.
  • + 2
 @bishopsmike: You forgot slope style and cyclocross
  • + 12
 @bishopsmike: roadbike = road-enduro
  • + 9
 @bishopsmike: Fat bike = fat-enduro
  • + 19
 @bishopsmike:
Spinning = Gym-enduro
  • - 3
 Enduro is a race format. So any bike used during any given enduro race could be labeled an enduro bike. Bike industry decided to call 150mm+ bikes as enduro en totale though.
  • + 2
 @bishopsmike: Street is of course - Urban Enduro
  • + 3
 @bishopsmike: 100 Internet Points for you, good sir. Ha!
  • + 12
 @bishopsmike:


DH is more just Single Stage Enduro
  • + 1
 @nordicMT: that'll be Orbea for one
  • + 6
 @bishopsmike: DJ = Twirly Enduro
  • + 11
 DJ- Acrobatic Enduro

BMX- Sprint Enduro

Dual Slalom- Drag Enduro

Slope- Lofty Enduro

Marathon- Endurance Enduro

Cross Country- Uphill/Wrong Way Enduro

Cyclocross- Wrong Bike Rodeo Enduro

Trials- Parkour Enduro

Track- NASCAR Enduro

Unicycle- Broken Enduro
  • + 5
 Not to forget the dreaded E-enduro or Eduro rather. On another note lets call it E Moto and kick it out of the mtb scene once and for all.
  • + 10
 I have the 10.0 full fox and totaly agree Pinkbike.
Only little cons :
centrelock add some play between parts
e1700 are a bit light for a Park season.
Aheadset is not really waterproof
E13 chain-guide open itself, fixed with some loctite.

Best bike ever ! Fast, easy to ride, stiff, good looking etc...

tof.canardpc.com/view/99bd8b03-f410-4a05-b7d7-0885fbde6640.jpg
  • + 1
 Tiens, un palmipède ????
  • - 13
flag graeme187 (Nov 7, 2016 at 4:42) (Below Threshold)
 Can you fit a water bottle above the downtube? Are there mounts? I can't quite work it out from the pictures?
thanks
  • + 36
 @graeme187: If you actually read the review, such questions might be answered for you...
  • - 65
flag graeme187 (Nov 7, 2016 at 6:07) (Below Threshold)
 @marymoncorge: dick
  • + 21
 @graeme187: Not a dick. Peeps need to read the article.
  • + 3
 @graeme187: if you look really close at one of the pics with the rear shock and the downtube you can see what appears to be one of the bolts for a water bottle cage.
  • + 14
 @graeme187: illiterate.
  • + 1
 @graeme187: never tested but you ave two screws.
  • + 2
 @garyturn3r can I ask how big a rear tire you could run? would it take a schwable 2.5 or some of the new specialized 2.6" tires?
  • + 2
 Love my Slide 150 with full Fox factory. Was a real bargain during the 2014 winter sale for 1.990€. Replaced the Nobbys and the CC style stem and now it is perfect for me.

www.pinkbike.com/photo/x_directtoalbum/?id=13096651&directtofirstphoto
  • + 1
 I'm sorry but am I the only one whose water bottle jumps out at the first bunny hop, jump or rough section of trail? Who gives a shit if it has water bottle mounts who besides roadies/dirt roadies even uses them?
  • + 5
 @choppertank3e: yes you're the only one - water bottles mean no backpack and still have hydration, depends where you ride I guess
  • + 1
 @graeme187: I used to ride with a 3 litre no storage camebak and I'm struggling with just having a 1.5 litre camelbak now. Switching to a 500ml bottle sounds ludicrous. Adding more water storage might be an idea but added bike weight on my porky rig sounds terrible.
  • + 1
 @choppertank3e: you can get bigger bottles than that. Anything less than 2 hours and I don't bring a pack. 2-3 hours and I have a bottle on the bike and one in a fanny pack. So much nicer to ride with than a camelback. Anyway, whenever possible I'd rather have the weight on my bike than on my back.
  • + 0
 @choppertank3e: @powderturns I just find a pack too restrictive and hot and annoying, I like to be quite agile on the bike, an extra 1lb of a 500ml water bottle i'm not going to notice on my bike, but I will notice 2-3kg of bag, water, and all the extra stuff you just end up taking. Yes I've had to walk down the hill/mountain before, but its rare. If you're fit and you hydrate well before and afterwards you need very little water. Yesterday was 3.5hours of biking, 1000m of climbing and 500ml of water during.
  • + 10
 Another bargain ride , but I'm more interested in that trail.,wow , where's that at ?
  • + 3
 Looks like whistler, Black Tusk in the background on the last image
  • + 7
 Pretty sure its the start of Top of the World. Not ridden it so just guessing from the EWS coverage.
  • + 2
 It is indeed top of the world.
  • + 6
 There are times like these when I think why to spend more on a bike that doesn't even offer half of that one. I checked the site and yes, you get a full Kashima F/R 130/140, GX, DT Swiss and so on for only 2300 EUR. What? The first brand that has dragged me away from Commencal - in relation to price tags etc. This IS food for thought!
  • + 5
 I have the Radon Slide 160 ("normal" enduro...) and I also had a ride on this Swoop.

For me the swoop is not anymore an allround bike, compared to it's smaller brother. It's much more downhill oriented. Definitely nice to ride downhills, but too much to go over the alps.
  • + 6
 The Swoop 10 is on my shortlist, or was until it sold out. Any ideas on whether or not Radon are going to restock it? The other bike on my shortlist is the Airdrop Edit, planning a review anytime soon?
  • + 3
 Cool write up on Airdrop over on Dirt. Seem like a nice bunch of UK lads Smile
  • - 4
flag MTB-Colada (Nov 7, 2016 at 2:30) (Below Threshold)
 I never really get it how certain models can be sold out. The frame is the same right, why not just order some more high end components to stock up the high spec versions? Or would that mean that you would get stuck with some of the low spec components.

Anyway, amazing bike, wouldn't mind getting me one (although my DH rig may become obsolete...). Bikes are getting really, really long though! Despite being very tall might opt for a L instead of an XL if I would get one.
  • + 6
 The 2017 models should go online in a few weeks (the frame itself remains unchanged).
I think that the 10.0 model will be equipped equally.
  • + 3
 As an Airdrop Edit owner, I can only urge you to check it out. Much of what has been said about the handling of the Swoop, applies to the Edit as well. You need to muscle it, to get it around tight bends, but man is it stable at speed and in air. And it climbs well too, for a bike of this kind.
  • + 2
 @MTB-Colada: The parts and frames for mass produced bikes are ordered months in advance. Moving frames over from the cheaper models would be simple enough, but then you're left with build kits that were paid for the year before sat around and you might be waiting five months (or buying from retail) for the high spec build parts, by which point you're into next year's line up anyway.
  • + 3
 @Bustacrimes: Thanks for the tip. Looks like a great no nonsense bike.
  • + 2
 @DESPO13: Any new colourways, that's the only thing putting me off at the moment, looks a little budget in the graphic design department
  • + 1
 @Bustacrimes: I read that, it's why it's on my shortlist, that and the price. Also, I live in York so being made in Sheffield makes it a local bike company which is a bike plus.
  • + 1
 @MTB-Colada: because the company's only have so much money to spend...?
  • + 5
 Its actually cheaper to fly to germany with empty suitcases, pick it up, have a little vacation AND fly back with it then buy the equivelant bike here, buy a LOT! Even with a 15% tax into Canada and 300$ or so in ground\sea shipping, still a deal. I think its hillarious Radon's marketing thing of "Make your friends JEALOUS" goddamn right they'd be jealous for that outrageous bike on that price point, awesome.
  • + 6
 One if the best things about Radon is that you can actually communicate with the Bike Constructeur Bodo Probst! He is a great guy and pretty active in the German community.
  • + 8
 800mm bar with 65mm stem. Because orangotangs need enduro bikes too.
  • + 2
 or what? my atlas 50 was too long - went to a Renthal 33 never looked back.
  • + 4
 I've been eyeing this exact model for months now, so great you did a review on it!!! I've done research into trying to get the bike to Canada, I'm not sure if the Canada import duty on full bicycles will apply, probably. I'm also not sure how to get it freight-forwarded via like container shipping to Canada, you can find air freight easy enough (fortune) but still working on it.
The value for money puts everything else overpriced here in Canada to SHAME!
  • + 3
 See if you can get them to ship the frame separately from the components. lol it is a lot to ask for a company to do, just to sell one bike to some random Canadian dude haha but hey, it wouldn't be considered a full bike it would just be "parts"
  • + 2
 Yeah the're a pretty small place comparatively speaking right in Bonn, Germany. My wife rides a Radon and the Swoop was on my list until sold out. I'm sure they could work something for you. Just gotta get a hold of the english speakers in the shop.
  • + 3
 @vernonfelton Is this the first bike you guys have reviewed where your comments on the adjustable geo weren't "we set it in the slack setting & ignored it." ?

I think it might be, & that's fairly interesting. finally getting adjustable geo to the point where the slackest setting isn't the only one worth using is new in my book.
  • + 6
 Yup, the slack setting qualifies as "really slack"...perfect at the bike park, slacker than I personally want for all around riding, but if someone was using this primarily as a shuttle bike, that slackest setting would be pretty rad too. Nice to have options.
  • + 2
 @vernonfelton: I demoed a GG Megatrail, & while I didn't get a chance to try the gravity setting, the trail setting was slack enough to make me think it's another contender for "useful" geo adjust.
  • + 1
 @groghunter: if i recall, on the gg megatrail, the mount spot messes with leverages as well so it is more than just a geo thing.
  • + 1
 @adrennan: possibly. Whatever they're doing out there in CO, they're doing something right, I'll tell you that much.
  • + 2
 @groghunter: i had almost gotten one. the standover was just a bit too tall for my taste for a bike that is meant to charge.
  • + 1
 @adrennan: The standover on the updated Megatrail will be lower and keep in mind, custom geo may be an option. The changes between the four settings is drastic in my opinion! The Megatrail can feel like a poppy hill climbing machine all the way to a full on DH sled. Lots of folks using coil shocks and bigger forks too. versatile and available in the US and builds starting at $3500..
  • + 1
 @mocean365: this was a bit less than 2 years ago when it first came out. i am riding a canfield balance now, it really fits me.
  • + 6
 You all forget Propain and its Tyee (160mm enduro) ore spindrift (180mm mini downhiller)
Check them outWink
  • + 1
 I just got a Tyee for my wife...she is blown away!
  • + 2
 Im looking on new Spindrift, looks great, love the look. But for me, 440mm CS is too long for "considerably" fun-bike
  • + 7
 They're radon price with that bike.
  • + 4
 Test the swoop - its a stunning incredible bike. Uphill its fine to ride better as propain or yt and descending its unbelievable. You think you are sitting on a Downhillbike. Yes its a real Super Enduro.
  • + 3
 Good review of a great bike.
The tyres were the only things I changed on mine for performance reasons. The wheels are fine with my Hans Dampf/Magic Mary combo.
They were surprisingly good, I thought - and they're 25mm internal according to the spec (certainly look it too).
My first ride blog review...
unduro.co.uk/mtb/first-ride-review-radon-swoop-170
  • + 3
 Been watching Radon for a couple of years. They always had nice bikes at excellent prices, which become unbeatable when they apply various discounts (often 15-20%, but can go up to 30-40% on special occasions).

It's really a pity that their bikes are not even deliverable to all European countries and that their occasional frame painting contests are rarely visible to people that don't speak German.They are losing a pretty number of sales against Canyon, YT, Commencal, because of this.

@RADON-BIKES, I hope you hear me Smile
  • + 5
 Bike not available in North America; "Let's test it at Whistler Bike Park!"
  • + 6
 Amazing bike, especially for the price.
  • + 6
 looks like a winner of a bike!
  • + 2
 Yeah, finally another positive review fo a d@@m good bike.... I'm loving my Radon Swoop 170, it's great on trails and in the park and with some upgrades it is now below 14 kg... too bad the winter brings my saison to an end...
  • + 3
 Dunno if dtswiss E1900 rims are all the same, but those i´ve got have 25mm inner width. Also I made a change from HR II 2,4" to Der Baron Project 2,4 and they look the same width and definitely have a lot more bite.
  • + 1
 Mine are from 2014 I think and they have 23mm.. Who knows
  • + 3
 Yeah, what the reviewer wrote about those tires is a bit up to question. Those Barons 2,4s are use in Downhill as well. The sidewalls are much sturdier than Maxxis Exo. The relatively slim form of the tires does not change the fact, tat they grip extremely well. On MTB-News.de they attested more grip to them than a Magic Mary, but a slightly less forgiving cornering traction. It's all up to personal liking, of course, but if you do like those tires, they will carry you everywhere in every condition
  • + 2
 Agree, they are way better than exos, good traction and clear mud better than the Minions or Magic Mary.. I use them as rear tires and braking traction is awesome, and wear fine
  • + 1
 65.8 touring mode head-tube angle haha I can think of a few corners this bike would not like touring on the shore. I'm loving how bikes more and more often are giving us the ability to adjust the geometry. With such a wide variety of terrain a single bike can tackle, having these options to play with before heading out for the day is awesome. Its one thing for engineers to design a bike that rolls out and feels great, its another when they can roll out a bike that can feel great with variable geometry. And as many have hit on already, DAT PRICE YO!! All you people living on the other side of the pond have yet another great bike thats budget friendly!
  • + 1
 Myself and two other riding mates have bought different versions of the Swoop this year. All of them have had no threadlock to any bolts or screws. Bike Discounts reply: its good practice to use this during assembly but we dont have to. I personally found this out the hard way when a shock pivot fell out. Have been without this part now for 8 days now as I wait for a replacement. I was told that EVERY bolt should be cheched EVERY ride. I would recommend anyone buying on of these great bikes takes it appart as adds some loctite to every fastener before something falls off. Just a heads up.
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 Just one question, how long does an average enduro bike last before it needs to be fixed when they're taken to a bike park normally?
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 And how does it compare to a DH bike?
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 It's not a question of bike service time. It is a question of your body service time. If you spend lot's of time riding park buy DH bike. With anything else after couple of years of abuse you will find out that your joints and spine are not as they used to be. If you jump a lot, plow through rock gardens like a freak and you do it every weekend buy DH bike.
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 @goroncy: Awesome! Thanks dude
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 there is even a bike called the "Enduo" ...that is made for ....Enduro. That is all it can be ridden for. infact the sticker on it says.." This Enduro can only be ridden for enduro" followed by:: "Do not remove this sticker under the penelty of law"
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 @vernonfelton do you have any info about the 2017 model?
I'm definitely going to bye one but I don't need one for the winter and my current 125mm dropper and E1900 leave me wanting, maybe they'll change that next year?
  • + 0
 This is a bummer. Not that this bike is amazing, it really seems to be, but my favorite frame right now is the Starling Swoop out of Starling Cycles in the UK. I don't know if there is room on the block for two swoops, so a Starling purist I shall stay.
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 @vernonfelton what's the tire clearance like? Could it fit a set of 2.6 tires?
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 Cheap! I want one.
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 @vernonfelton ALL your pics look badass in this. Me thinks you've graduated from dorky junior high photos. [And I say that with a staunch history of heterosexuality.]
  • + 3
 Are you gonna have a review on the Propain Spindrift that is not available too in North America?!
  • + 3
 If was looking for an inexpensive bike for part-time DH / Park, this would be IT.
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 I'm a big fan of my Slide 130. Radon make RAD bikes.
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 Is there UK owners of a Swoop 170 in the South West/Midlands area, as I desperately want to test out a 20 or 22in frame, if so please please contact me. Cheers Matt
  • + 3
 Let north American people hop on board!!
  • + 1
 Doing sorta the same thing..http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/14048500/
Not pure DH, not XC...not 'all mountain'; just a fun bike with plenty of travel. Dog not included
  • + 0
 I built a Tr500 with a 180mm XFusion single crown along with climbing gear...11spd, 11/42 hosting a 34 tooth Absolute Black oval...bike can climb. It a tick different I'll admit but one fun rig.
  • + 1
 @vernonfelton is the spider on those GX cranks removable? I've ordered the 2x11 version of this bike and i want to know if i can buy a direct mount chainring
  • + 5
 There's 2 models of GX/X1 alu cranks, one has a removable spider, one does not. The ones in the pic are the removable spider ones, but the other bike might have the 1200 model with fixed spider. (1400 is the removable spider version.) The 1200 is the one they advertise as 2x, but the spider on the 1400 can support a granny ring as well, so it's a toss-up.

Worst comes to worst, you can find silly deals on the 1400s with unpopular chainring sizes if you know where to look. I bought a pair for $100 from bikewagon on ebay. So you could just swap cranks.
  • + 3
 And Manon will ride it also
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 The 16" bike has a 17" seat tube. Hmmm.
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 A free extra inch of seat tube!! Just another way they show what a great value it is!
  • + 1
 @scottzg: I only noticed because I'm on a quest to find a bike with a really low seat tube but a decent reach. Looking for 16" seat tube and 430-450 reach. Suggestions welcome ;-) Kona Process I think is closest to what I've been looking for.
  • + 3
 Stuck between this and a yt capra al ,any thoughts?
  • + 1
 Doubt you can go wrong with either but I've got the Capra and in all honesty, I probably don't need 160mm for most of what I do, so seeing as this is even more, I guess I'd probably go for the Capra. Other than that, id probably just go on what happens to be in stock and/or cheaper at the time.
  • + 1
 I'd say test them both, the Capra is very progressive whereas the Radon is said to be quite linear. I'd prefer the YT (actually have one so not exactly objective here), great support and either next to impossible to bottom with a small volume damper or more plush with a coil shock without feeling way too soft.
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 worth while having a look at the GT sanction too .. I just sold my DownHill and short travel bikes and bought a sanction .. carries so mauch speed on the decent , great and balanced in the air and not to bad at going either along or up
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 I`d go with the capra. I had the older radon swoop 175 and would never buy a radon again! The bearings in the linkages needed constant replacement because they are way to small (688rs2 i think) and the frame overall was bad quality. The paint got scratches easily etc.. Also the pats broke very quickly. The headset was crap after a few rides and other parts quickly failed too.
The capra looks like a more solid frame with bigger bearings etc.
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 @fr33: are you working in a YT Shop ????
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 @Luomi123: I doubt it since they only sell them online!?
  • + 3
 I chose Swoop 9 1x11 over Capra AL for several reasons:
- seatstay is aluminium, not carbon
- BSA BB
- Guide RS brakes vs Guide R
- geo adjustable(at least BB hight and HA)
- water bottle support (I don't like backpacks)

I have the bike since May.
Mine had no important issues but I put Loctite on all suspension screws before I used it. And I only weight 68kg.
Suspension is not too progressive so I had to put air spacers in the Vivid to prevent bottom out.
I now use 9 out of max 12 but I think 7 will also work for me.
So if you plan to mount coil shock go with the Capra.

I demoed the bike with Monarch Plus and Float X and with locked shock it climbed quite well.
I'll take an inline shock if I ever need to make some tough climbing: real lockout instead of increased LSC and almost 300g lighter than VIVID.
I think if one really needs he can lighten up the bike quite much and obtain the "own desired"-enduro type of bike Smile .
  • + 0
 @Luomi123: Haha sadly not. But a friend has a capra and he loves it. If you look at the explosion drawing of the capra you can see that the bearings are bigger and the linkages are more solid than those in the radon swoop...
  • + 3
 A mate of mine had a carbon Capra which cracked so he bought the radon. He doesn't regret his decision and I've been in the same boat and I've just ordered the radon!!
  • + 2
 Wait! Is it a downhillbike on the descents and a xc bike on the uphills?
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flag Bustacrimes (Nov 7, 2016 at 2:02) (Below Threshold)
 Yes, that's what the bike company want you to believe. Utter rubbish but people lap this up.
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 It's also a road bike on a road.
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 @Bustacrimes: What bike company? Because I didn't see Radon saying that anywhere.
  • + 3
 No this is not a canyon
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 too bad they dont ship outside europe.
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 "The Swoop 170 is not available in North America at this time" You know who I appoint to get those bikes in North America? The local grocery store butcher. He's absolutely massive, and I feel like a victim in a horror movie when I see him. That'll get your bicycles.
  • + 3
 Well at least these dont cost an arm and a leg so ur butcher wouldnt need much for his services.
  • + 2
 That's a lot of bike for the money, looks good too
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 How is this so damn cheap?
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 Yay, Super Enduro is finally here. Well....get your wallets out then.
  • + 2
 I'd like to know how it climbs with a DPA fork.
  • + 1
 1204 wb on a medium. Holy Moses.
  • + 1
 Review a 2012 Canfield One please
  • + 1
 Does anyone know the difference between Enduro and Super Enduro?
  • + 1
 Radon would sell a boat load of these in NA.
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 So anyone have a method for ordering a Swoop in USA?
  • + 1
 Why do you need a cable tie just before the cable enters the chain stay?
  • + 1
 ...and I spelled "enduro" wrong. im drunk.
  • + 1
 With a 65mm stem and 800mm bars , no bike will be playful.
  • + 0
 nice 170 9.0 1x11 64.8°-65.8° 216x63 with its 25-millimeter internal rim width. DAM!
  • + 1
 Well dang
  • - 1
 Regarding the travel is this nothing new. The Foes FXR is available for years now with 180mm of travel.....
  • + 0
 did they just use a can of coke with a rockshox sticker?
  • - 2
 Mini DH? C'mon...
  • - 3
 They have sacrificed reliability to lose weight. That's not worthy of a dh bike.
  • - 1
 @torero: And the difference between this bike and an enduro bike is?
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 @Fenrisvarg: @Fenrisvarg: longer, slacker and 170mm Wink
  • + 1
 @torero: never they said it's a downhill bike, they have the swoop 210 for that
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